September 11, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues the program’s extensive commemoration of the 25th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, while also expanding into discussions about national security, military service, media narratives, identity politics, crime, polling data, and cultural controversies. This final hour blends remembrance of 9/11 with analysis of several major political and cultural stories dominating conservative commentary.
The hour begins with an in-depth interview featuring David Rutherford, former Navy SEAL and host on the Clay & Buck Podcast Network. Rutherford shares his firsthand recollections of September 11, explaining that he was serving as a SEAL instructor in California when news of the attacks reached his unit. He describes the shock experienced by military personnel, the realization that America had entered a new era, and how the attacks fundamentally changed the trajectory of the lives of special operations forces for the next two decades. Rutherford recounts speaking to a class of graduating SEAL candidates shortly after the attacks, telling them that some would not survive the wars to come, a prediction he said tragically proved accurate.
A major theme throughout Hour 3 is the legacy of the Global War on Terror (GWOT) and the military response to 9/11. Rutherford discusses the deployment of Navy SEALs and intelligence personnel into Afghanistan, referencing early operations following the attacks and the sacrifices made by service members during the opening stages of the war. He argues that pursuing al-Qaeda and dismantling terrorist networks in Afghanistan was a necessary mission, while also acknowledging the broader debate surrounding America’s long-term involvement in the region. Clay and Buck revisit questions about whether the United States was justified in entering Afghanistan, the eventual killing of Osama bin Laden, and the ongoing threat posed by global terrorist organizations.
The conversation broadens into a discussion of whether America would respond to a major terrorist attack today with the same unity that followed 9/11. Clay asks whether a contemporary attack would generate national solidarity or immediately devolve into political division, social media disputes, and conspiracy theories. Rutherford expresses concern that modern culture has become more fragmented and that tragedy is often consumed as entertainment rather than viewed through a unifying national lens. The hosts reflect on how dramatically public trust, media consumption, and political cohesion have changed over the past 25 years.
National security concerns remain central to the discussion as the hosts examine the possibility of another large-scale terrorist attack. Rutherford argues that while advances in surveillance, intelligence gathering, and technology have improved America’s defensive capabilities, the threat of terrorism persists. The group discusses international terrorist attacks including Mumbai and October 7, as examples of how relatively small groups can inflict massive casualties. Buck and Rutherford explore why large-scale jihadist attacks appear less frequent today while noting that ideological conflicts and extremist movements continue to exist globally.
Later in the hour, Clay and Buck briefly revisit one of the major news stories they referenced earlier in the program: the disappearance and murder case of Washington intern Chandra Levy, which dominated headlines during the summer of 2001. The hosts correct earlier commentary after learning that the individual once convicted in the case was later exonerated, leaving the murder officially unsolved. This discussion serves as a reminder of the major stories occupying public attention immediately before the September 11 attacks transformed national priorities.
A substantial portion of Hour 3 shifts to developments in the highly publicized Lindsay Clancy murder case. Clay and Buck discuss revelations about jury deliberations, focusing on reports that the lone juror who refused to support a verdict of not guilty by reason of insanity was a Black man. The hosts examine reactions from television commentators and media figures, arguing that some responses appeared influenced by identity politics. They praise the holdout juror for maintaining his position despite pressure from the majority and discuss broader cultural conversations surrounding accountability, criminal responsibility, and public reactions to the case.
The discussion expands into media reactions surrounding Lindsay Clancy and commentary from an Oprah-hosted event where speakers argued that women of color involved in similar crimes deserve comparable public attention and support. Clay and Buck strongly criticize those remarks and contend that identity politics increasingly shapes public conversations about criminal justice. They connect the contr
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Hour number three, final hour of the week. We are
joined now by a member of the Clay and Buck
podcast family. He is doing fantastically well in that role.
Many of you listening to him on a regular basis.
David Rutherford joins us now, and obviously it is the
25th anniversary of 9-11, and you were kicking down doors
(00:23):
for a while. We had Steve Yates in, and he
was telling us the perspective of being in the White
House on that day and being run out of the
White House because there was a concern of one of
the planes hitting the Capitol, which they evacuated, as well
as the White House, and thankfully the bravery of those
on Flight 93 helped to keep that from occurring. Where
(00:46):
were you on 9-11, Rutt? What do you recall about
that day?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, great to be with you guys.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You guys are doing a phenomenal job of remembrance today.
I just really appreciate you guys and always keeping this
in the forefront of people's consciousness.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I really respect it a lot. I was a an
instructor at seal qualification training.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I was going through a combat swimmer or dive kind
of certification where I could manage dives for, for a
class I was in. And it was just one of
those insane days. You know, I had a buddy who,
was like, hey, man, turn on your TV. And I
didn't have a tight TV at the time. He's like, well,
flip on the radio. That initiated this whole thing. It
(01:29):
took five hours to drive into Coronado to get on base.
Once we were there, we continued training. Everybody was getting
spun up, and we continued the training. And throughout the
day when we would have a break, we'd flip the
television on and, you know, one minute, you know, you'd
see the buildings and then we'd go into class and
(01:50):
we flip it on again.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Then they're gone.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
And then, you know, we go into class and it
was just this really surreal component, especially because I was
in the teams. And, you know, prior to 9-11, there
wasn't a lot going on. So you had gotten to
a point like, are we ever going to go to
combat again? And that day changed the trajectory of all
of our lives for the next 22 years, obviously.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Did you remember a moment either just in your own
head or in conversation with some of the other SEAL
team members around you where you realized, oh, this is
the big one and we are going to be gearing
up and getting into the fight?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
We, once that week's finished, we drove out on Friday,
all the instructors that have been in this course, we
drove out to, we had a huge class, like, I
think it was like 40 plus kids going who had
graduated buds are going, we're in doing land warfare at
our facility in Nyland, California, where we were starting IADs,
immediate action drills. So really where you learn how to shoot,
(02:56):
move and communicate. And I always used to give kind
of like a hoo-yah speech to the group like, hey,
you know, this is where you really focus. But, you know,
obviously this time is a lot more somber. And so
I started the speech out like this and just said, hey,
I want everybody to look to your left of you,
look to the right of you, look behind you and
look in front of you, because in the next few years,
(03:18):
many people that are in this class are going to
no longer be with us.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And that came true to a high degree.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So, yeah, it was a it was the absolute change
of mentality. From that moment on, that I think was
really the driving factor to why guys grew so committed
and endured the length and time with which they committed
themselves to this endeavor to root out terrorism.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
As part of the tip of the spear of special operations,
was there an eagerness to get into the fight given
what was done to America?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Can you speak to that, Dave?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
A hundred percent. I mean, very quickly we knew. You know,
damn next seal team six got it. And at the
end of really around October, we knew the agency was
over there. And then, you know, seal team three was
on deck. So they deployed over. I don't know if
you remember, Buck, but remember Mike Spann, who was a
(04:19):
ground branch guy.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
His daughter is a friend of mine.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I've talked to her before.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And, you know, when Mike died, that really kind of
was like, whoa, all right, what's going on? And then
immediately after you had Roberts Ridge, where Neil Roberts kind
of was technically fell out of a helicopter because it
got shot. And then you had the Chapman and Blaze story,
which they both received Medal of Honors for. And then
very shortly after that, a friend of mine that was
(04:48):
at a damn neck, Matt Bourgeois, was blown up at.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Tarnac Farms where Bin Laden lived.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Compound was and so not long after that i i
was fortunate enough i got on an augmented platoon first
seal team one and we deployed over and so i
hit the ground in may of of 2002 and all
of those things were so palpable that yeah it was
all right we're gonna get after it now we're gonna
deliver some revenge.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right i know this we're talking about the 25th anniversary
a third of americans weren't born uh Now, it's kind
of crazy to think about since 9-11. So there's a
huge lack of experiencing this. And then you factor in
that a lot of people were young kids when it
was happening. And so they don't really recollect it. Buck,
(05:36):
we haven't talked about this, but the amount of unity
that we saw after 9-11 was frankly extraordinary. And we
have not seen anything else like it even close to
it in the 21st century. This is a tough question.
We haven't really talked about it. If 9-11 happened today,
if we had a similar terror attack by a similar
(05:57):
group of people, do you think we would see unity
or do you think almost immediately it would turn toxic
with people saying publicly all too often that we deserved
it now? I don't remember it being as paramount then.
How do you think 9-11 today would play in a
divided country?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Clay, this is the question, man. Thank you for bringing
that up. It's the reality of what we're facing. I
literally just finished recording a show with Joseph Scott Morgan, Dr.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Morgan, who is one of the top forensics guys.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
He's covering all these cases, the Clancy and Charlie Kirk thing,
and digging into the forensics versus the craziness and all this.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And I wanted to talk to him about this very question.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Why are people so fascinated by and engage in death
in such a trivial manner.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So, and that was really what we're getting at.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Like it's almost entertainment, catastrophe or, you know, death or
warfare is like something that you just flip by on
your screen.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And so, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I don't think it would be in the same context
that we experienced that profound unification of, I think you'd
immediately have conspiracy theorists say, well, it's an inside job
or whatever. And that certainly plays a major role in
the context of why I think we're in that space
where the gravity of 9-11 has been diluted to a
(07:24):
significant amount.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Because people are arguing that it was an inside job.
Look at Tower 7, all these things.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Right. But, yeah, I doubt there would be a profound
unification across at least our society for sure.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
And Dave, I was wondering if you could speak to
as somebody who was downrange and and engaging the enemy.
You said May 2002, right, beginning that deployment to Afghanistan.
Right now, I feel like and particularly even on the right,
people have this. Oh, it was all really meaning Iraq
and Afghanistan. It was all a mistake. We never should have.
(07:59):
I always want to stop that for a second and
say we had to go into Afghanistan. Ron Paul voted
to go to war in Afghanistan. And I just think
that that's sometimes like when you showed up there, we
had a deep entrenched infrastructure of highly connected global jihadis
(08:20):
who had already hit us once, obviously, with a mass
casualty attack. And we're planning dozens of others. So I
just wanted to just, you know, can you speak to
the mindset if you're on the ground there and there
was every reason for you and others like you to
be there?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Oh, for me, it was never a doubt, right?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
You know, maybe later on when I was at the
agency in 2011, you know, after the bin Laden, after
the raid, because I was in Pakistan right before that
and right after it. And, you know, maybe then it's like,
all right, we're done. Let's go home and get out
of it by then, maybe. But for that first 10 years,
you know, I don't think there was ever a doubt
(08:59):
that this was the mission. We have to go uh
do it and we're going to do it at the
highest level i never served in iraq so i always
reside you know leave that to my buddies that served
extensively over there and there's a lot of opinions obviously
but when it comes to you know going into afghanistan
and and engaging the way we did up until including
(09:21):
you know the death of bin laden i i think
there was no doubt that this was a measure that
needed to happen and what quite frankly the crazy thing
is now if you just If you look at what's
taking place in Afghanistan right now, there's another hundred plus
terrorist organizations that are in there operating as we speak
right now. So, yeah, we I think the problem is,
(09:43):
it's like, what do we have to show for it?
And people don't recognize that warfare against an ideology that's
infinitely dedicated towards destroying a particular way of life. That's
a perpetual threat. And you have to figure out, are
you going to face it in your hat, in your
own homeland, or are you going to go face it
down range?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
How come I'm curious for this, for you buck too.
How confident are you guys that we would be able
to forestall a nine 11 like terror attack now? Compared
to how we were able to do it 25 years ago.
I'll let you go first.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Clay, that's another just profound question. And I mean, if
you listen to some of the.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Last year's reports from the senior intelligence operative, you know. Roughly,
they estimate it could be somewhere between 6,000 and 14,000
terrorists have come in across the border over the last
five years or plus, right? So all it takes is–
like look at the Mumbai incident or look at October
(10:50):
7th or whatever it is. I mean that was a
giant operation. But like a Mumbai incident, 10 guys took
down Mumbai for like 56 hours and killed 200-plus.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
People, right?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And so– That's a reality that can take place. Now,
thank God, I believe with the modern day technology and
surveillance systems and all that, we have a better shot.
But man, these people also understand how to operate independently
in their own cells. And then all they need is
a directive, which can be a checkmark on the side
(11:24):
of a wall that gives them the green light to
go into a Walmart and essentially either clack themselves off
with explosives they brought back or you know, to just
buy guns on the street and go in with five
AKs and 10.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Mags and recap it.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So I think we're every bit as vulnerable as we
were back then and probably more.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
So I agree with everything Rutt said. So I don't
want to just repeat everything he said because he knows
this world quite well. Rutt, to that end, why do
you think things right now, we're 25 years since 9-11.
I mean, I remember I was talking to this before,
I would go on CNN and argue with these lunatics
when there was terror attacks happening all the time in
(12:04):
this country that were jihadist-enabled. I mean, it was every
few months, you know, the San Bernardino attack, the Pulse
nightclub attack in Orlando. There was the Bataclan attack in France.
There was the Bastille. I mean, we went through this
period with all of these mass casualty jihadist attacks post-9-11, really,
you know, in the later Obama years, and then, you know,
that was when it really ramped up. Why does it
(12:26):
feel like things are quieter now?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I mean, I think, you know, partly because there's so
much division within the country, even without the kinetic nature
of attacks, right? You look at the various institutions. You
talk about this in your book, Buck, which is the reality.
We talked about it offline. Remember about the Rape of
the Mind.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Book, right?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
We've been vulnerable across all of these institutions because of,
I don't know, maybe it's like this estimation that we
need to be more caring as Americans or whatever, but
you know, if you're an operator, a guerrilla fighter or terrorist,
whatever you want to call it, you're going to utilize
the country, the civilization, the society, you're going to utilize
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their weaknesses to penetrate their vulnerabilities.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And that's just the nature of what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And I think we've gotten to a place where kind
of that sympathy, that unchecked critical theory-based sympathy for the
fact that, no, if we just are open our arms
and more open, that all the bad people are just
going to keep themselves in check.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
That's just not the way the world works.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So, you know, I just hope and pray that we
people understand the relevance of.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
This attack and the impact it had.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Like, I mean, I had Jason Freewall and Dusty Markin
died on September 11, 2008 with Dev Group.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I had Glenn Doherty and Roan and.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Ty Woods, who were my good friend, and Benghazi in 2012, right?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
This is something that it's not– there's.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
No end to ideologies warring with each other. It's just
the nature of how it works. So We owe it
to ourselves to just like we did when we were
kids with Pearl Harbor and.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
All these other things, man.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
We don't let these historical lessons fade off into oblivion
because they keep us sharp in the recognition of how
valuable what we do have in terms of this relative peace.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Rutt, we appreciate all the work. Encourage people to go
subscribe to David Rutherford's podcast as a part of the
Clay and Buck Podcast Network. Appreciate you, my man.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Have a good weekend.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Thank you. God bless you guys. And God bless all
the families and everybody who's suffered from 9-11. Thank you, Rutt.
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Speaker 5 (16:34):
We just, as part of our discussion today, touched on
the biggest news stories of August 2001, right before, obviously,
September and 9-11. And we talked about the Chandra Levy disappearance,
her murder and disappearance. And we mentioned that at first
it was thought there was this air of suspicion around
Gary Condit.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But then there was later on a prosecution of an
illegal alien and conviction. But Cindy, I'll give her full credit,
on X pointed out, and I did not know this,
The conviction was overturned and that individual was exonerated. They
said he did not do it. And so technically right now,
(17:16):
we don't know who.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's still an unsolved murder.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
It's an unsolved case. It's basically a cold case now.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I remembered that they had arrested someone and I knew
that there had been a conviction. I didn't know that
the appeal had been turned over on conviction. Again, you
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This was the biggest story in America in August of 2001.
Chandra Levy, missing intern in Washington, D.C. I was living
in Washington, D.C.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
At the time.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You could not escape the story. And years later, they
found her body. They convicted somebody. And I guess the
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Speaker 1 (17:54):
I had no idea.
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. We have been talking
about 9-11, the 25th anniversary of 9-11 quite a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We have about 25 minutes or so left in the program.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And I did want to make sure that we hit
this buck because the Lindsay Clancy case has continued to
captivate much of the country. And the jurors, by and large,
have been speaking out all week. And they have been
attacking the lone male juror who refused to vote not guilty.
Eleven individuals. Nine women, two men were willing to say
(19:34):
she is not guilty by reason of insanity means Lindsay
Clancy could have been out of the insane asylum, mental
health hospital, whatever you want to call it within 40 days. Well,
one juror refused to bend to the will of the majority.
And this morning on CBS News, we heard for the
(19:54):
first time who that juror was. It turns out he
was a black man. Gail, what is her name? The
woman here, Gail, the CBS News, she's a black female,
Gail King. She is completely befuddled when this revelation occurs.
If you haven't seen the video, you should watch, but
you definitely are about to hear it.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it
was nine women, three men. What was the age range?
What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that.
What was it?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
70-ish to 22. And one person of color and then
everybody else was white.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A lot of the jurors had children.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
One person of color was a person of color, a
woman or a man? A man.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
A man.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Is a holdout juror a person, a black man?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
A black man is a holdout juror? Yes. Well, I
have to sit with that for just a second.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
First of all, I have to sit with that for
just a second, which means basically she has no idea
how to play the identity politics card because a black
man refused to bend to the will of 11 white
jurors and allow Lindsay Clancy to be convicted. I also
can't help but think, was she pretending when she didn't,
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when she claimed not to know? They do pre-interviews. Wouldn't
you think if she were going to go down that
path of identity politics with the jury that she would
actually already know the answer to the questions? That's the
only thing that seems strange to me as I watch
the clip. So many of these pre-interviews occur, and.
(21:40):
It felt to me like, I mean, even the decision
to quiz about the racial makeup of the jury.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Maybe you're different than me, Buck. In that area of Massachusetts,
I just presumed it was 12 white people. Well, that's
what I actually thought immediately was, why is that? Why
should anyone be startled by this? Actually, it's one thing
for you to say, I didn't expect this to be
the case. But OK, it was a black guy who
(22:10):
refused to go along with the Lindsay Clancy is not
guilty group on this.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Why is that? We knew it was a guy.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
We knew why it was more likely to be a guy.
Why should this TV presenter?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, yes.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Be shocked that it was a black guy. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Black guys are guys who just think like other guys.
So what is the you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
No, I know.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I but it's almost like she thinks this is a
political thing or something. And it's like, well, you know,
most most black men vote Democrat.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
No, no.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
This is just about being a guy.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, this is why now the Democrat Party, I see
this connected, Buck. according to a Quinnipiac poll, I believe
it was, that came out yesterday, Democrat Party has a 16%
approval rate for men.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
16, 1-0.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It has a 70% disapproval rate. To me, it is
the left in this country that has been arguing Lindsay
Clancy is not responsible, mostly left-wing women. I think men,
regardless of their politics... think that all of this is crazy.
And I think you and I would have bet a
lot of money when you heard, hey, there's one juror
(23:26):
who's not going to relent. I would have bet a
lot of money that it was one of the three men.
I would have been stunned if all three men had
said not guilty. Now, Six days of being berated and
harangued by feminist women about how you're wrong. I think, candidly,
a lot of men would have just said, you know what?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Screw it. I want to go home.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I want to be done with this. Six days to
stand on principle. I don't think most Americans, most men,
regardless of race, would have been brave enough to do it.
I would love now, though, Buck, for this guy to
come out and actually blow up the left's entire oppression
Olympics and say, as a black man, I felt discriminated
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against that 11 white jurors were demanding that I find
a mom who killed her three kids not guilty.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Let's also play this, Buck.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
This is the Oprah clip that I watched last night.
And a black woman who considers herself to be a,
I guarantee you, A card carrying Kamala Harris. I would
put every spare dollar I have that she voted Kamala.
She wanted everybody to know we have to remember black
women kill their kids, too. And we should show them
(24:43):
the same level of support that we showed Lindsay Clancy.
Let's make sure black mom murderers are just as popular
as white mom murderers.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This is real.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
And the other thing that I would just be remiss
to not say is I hope this never happens again.
We know statistically it really will.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It will.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
I want us to have the same passion for people
who don't look like Lindsay, who don't have her same access,
who don't have her same access and education, her melanin.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Her privilege.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
There are women of color sitting around this country in
prisons for the same thing that we've never heard of.
And I just want to remind us to have the
pink shirts and the energy for them as well.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
This is dark, man. This is real dark.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
We have to make sure that we show the same
level of support to black women who kill their children
as we do to white women who kill their children.
I saw Mary Catherine Hamm tweet that this is the
kind of extreme parody that you would see made up
because it's so ridiculous. If you watch the video, it's
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almost all women in the crowd. All of them are
nodding their head and cheering along with the, we have
to give the same level of support to black women
who kill their kids argument. You were talking about mass delusion.
I think there's entire books that can be written about
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women deciding that they're going to give their empathy to
moms who murder their children. There are things that happen
where I say, you know what, I don't agree with
that perspective, but I can understand how you could have
that perspective. There's lots of things out there that I
can put in that category. This is one where I just,
(26:43):
and I think a lot of men are like you
and me on this, Buck, where I just look at
it and say there is a profound evil settling across,
a mass psychosis, a mass delusion you wrote about, women
that is leading them to make decisions like these and
even arguments like these.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Clay, the, first of all, the notion that anyone would
be shocked that it was a black woman guy on
the jury that didn't do this is still amazing to
me like it's like she's disappointed like a black guy
should know better than to have been angry about the
murder of three small children like when you play out
(27:24):
what what the thinking is it's it's great that's crazy
yes because and also you know guys are guys and
we have yes it is true we have our ways
of thinking about things that are different than women so yeah,
it's a black guy. Like what, what's the, but you're,
you're right about how, you know, now they, it'd be
(27:44):
fascinating if the jurors said that they were trying to like, uh,
white splain the situation to him or there was, you know,
there was a pressure on him and he might even
do it kind of ironically or out of, out of
a sense of, uh, sticking it to the, the libs. Um,
but anyway, uh, so there's that part of it. The,
we need more solidarity for women of color who slaughter
(28:06):
their children in comment in public is I'm still trying
to mentally digest how crazy that is.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And, and how this has turned into a, there's a,
there's a movement of women out there who have solidarity
with deranged moms who kill their own kids and want
to wear, have you, I have never felt the urge
to show up wearing a t-shirt in support of anybody
accused of a crime anywhere, start with that, to wear
(28:40):
a shirt in support of Lindsay Clancy and then to
think we need more of that for the other moms
killing their own children. Killing your own children, I keep
saying this, I think it is the worst thing that
a human being can do.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
It is.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I don't think there is anything worse. It is the
single worst, most demonic, most evil thing a member of
the species Homo sapiens could do And people are taking
this position that we need more support for those people?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
This would be like somebody sitting around saying we need
to work harder on rehab for Auschwitz prison guards and
make them feel like they have a second shot at
life now or something.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What are you talking about? And the fact that all
of those women, I mean, it's a cult. Women who
are left wing are in a really scary cult and
they are consistently picking the people that are evil to support,
whether it's Luigi Mangione, whether it is certainly Lindsay Clancy.
(29:47):
A lot of women overwhelmingly who have been mocking Charlie Kirk, right?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
This is toxic.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's actually also the foundation of the Democrat Party, because
I would bet all those women cheering over. But there's
not a lot of Trump supporters in that Oprah crowd
that was cheering. Hey, we need to show more support
for black women who murdered their children. And that woman
thought she's well spoken. That woman probably is well credentialed.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
She is.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Thinking to herself, I have made a brilliant point here.
Let me bring the racial oppression Olympics and cross-pollinate it
with Lindsay Clancy and let me just blow these other
women's minds. And that leads her directly into the position
of let's argue in favor of black women who murdered
their children. Also, Buck, it's like remember the clip that
(30:40):
went viral back in the day of racists and left
wingers and how much they actually have in common. Now,
the comedian who made the great viral clip, Ryan, I
think I can't remember his last name. And it went
mega viral. This is several years old. But it is
the truth that we basically end up in a circular
(31:02):
world where people are arguing for the worst possible defenses.
And anyway, I just think it's important for you guys
to hear that. I do want to give credit again.
One brave man or woman can make a tremendous difference.
And turns out this guy was black. Don't know that
that matters very much. It mattered a lot to Gayle King.
What matters is that he was brave and courageous and
(31:24):
he stood on truth. And thank you to whomever that
gentleman is.
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Speaker 5 (33:15):
Closing up shop on Clay and Buck.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And you know what? We're going to have some fun
to close it out.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Because we're off for the weekend.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
We want you to have fantastic and fabulous and wonderful weekends.
I know today is a solemn day and we spent
a lot of time on that. Great conversations. If you
missed it, go back, listen to the Clam Buck podcast,
which you can wherever you get your podcast. I love
it from the iHeart app personally, but wherever you get
your podcast, you can listen hour by hour of the show.
I thought Steve Yates was phenomenal about being in the
(33:44):
White House on 9-11. Rutherford training Navy SEALs as a
SEAL when the news comes down, realizing that his brothers
in arms are going to be deploying downrange. I mean,
It's just really good stuff, honestly. It's worth going back
and listening to, and I hope if you're listening to
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(34:06):
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Speaker 1 (34:17):
Clay.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
This is where– it's like your world and my world– well.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
This is– it's both of our worlds in a sense.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
But the world of sports colliding with the world of–
Indigenous peoples worship and celebration.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
This is amazing.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
So I'm going to let you set the scene here
because it's an NFL game, but it's in Australia.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, they played last night. The Rams, L.A. Rams.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I was going to say the Rams of Los Angeles
sound like I was on coming to America. The Rams
are playing against the 49ers and they played in Melbourne
down in Australia. And I couldn't believe that of all
the times that Australia could decide that they wanted to
apologize and give a land acknowledgement, they did it as
(35:03):
part of the pregame ceremony. This is Australia apologizing for
bringing civilization to their continent.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
We are known as the Manningham people, and I'll take
this leaf on our behalf, on behalf of our community,
the Wurundjeri Wurrung, and our neighboring islands. Accepting this gift
means that you are welcome to everything from the tops
of the trees.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
To the roots of the earth.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
And on my father's land, we sincerely hope you have
a wonderful time here at the MCG. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So, Buck, you, I think, nailed it when you said
that Australia during COVID became East Berlin with koalas.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
They did. I took my family. I loved it. It
was a beautiful country.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And there's lots of people there that agree that this
is absurd that they have been taken over. They did
a land acknowledgement before their January 1st New Year's Day
fireworks that we were there to watch. We went to
the top of the Sydney Bridge. When you get to
the top of the Sydney Bridge, it's a majestic view.
The first thing they say, Buck, is understand that you're
(36:22):
gazing upon stolen land and we want to apologize. They
even have in Australia, this is 100% true, a National
Sorry Day where they apologize for stealing all the land.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Man, that's really weak. I don't know what else to say.
I really like Aussies.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
They're great people, but somehow they really have turned into
East Berlin with koalas. It's just the politics there and
the sense of, you know, I don't know, maybe the
people who were living in the Stone Age when the Australian, well,
another thing.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
The heroes arrived. Yeah, it's crazy.
Welcome back in.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Hour number three, final hour of the week. We are
joined now by a member of the Clay and Buck
podcast family. He is doing fantastically well in that role.
Many of you listening to him on a regular basis.
David Rutherford joins us now, and obviously it is the
25th anniversary of 9-11, and you were kicking down doors
(00:23):
for a while. We had Steve Yates in, and he
was telling us the perspective of being in the White
House on that day and being run out of the
White House because there was a concern of one of
the planes hitting the Capitol, which they evacuated, as well
as the White House, and thankfully the bravery of those
on Flight 93 helped to keep that from occurring. Where
(00:46):
were you on 9-11, Rutt? What do you recall about
that day?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, great to be with you guys.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You guys are doing a phenomenal job of remembrance today.
I just really appreciate you guys and always keeping this
in the forefront of people's consciousness.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I really respect it a lot. I was a an
instructor at seal qualification training.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I was going through a combat swimmer or dive kind
of certification where I could manage dives for, for a
class I was in. And it was just one of
those insane days. You know, I had a buddy who,
was like, hey, man, turn on your TV. And I
didn't have a tight TV at the time. He's like, well,
flip on the radio. That initiated this whole thing. It
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took five hours to drive into Coronado to get on base.
Once we were there, we continued training. Everybody was getting
spun up, and we continued the training. And throughout the
day when we would have a break, we'd flip the
television on and, you know, one minute, you know, you'd
see the buildings and then we'd go into class and
(01:50):
we flip it on again.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Then they're gone.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
And then, you know, we go into class and it
was just this really surreal component, especially because I was
in the teams. And, you know, prior to 9-11, there
wasn't a lot going on. So you had gotten to
a point like, are we ever going to go to
combat again? And that day changed the trajectory of all
of our lives for the next 22 years, obviously.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Did you remember a moment either just in your own
head or in conversation with some of the other SEAL
team members around you where you realized, oh, this is
the big one and we are going to be gearing
up and getting into the fight?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
A hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
We, once that week's finished, we drove out on Friday,
all the instructors that have been in this course, we
drove out to, we had a huge class, like, I
think it was like 40 plus kids going who had
graduated buds are going, we're in doing land warfare at
our facility in Nyland, California, where we were starting IADs,
immediate action drills. So really where you learn how to shoot,
(02:56):
move and communicate. And I always used to give kind
of like a hoo-yah speech to the group like, hey,
you know, this is where you really focus. But, you know,
obviously this time is a lot more somber. And so
I started the speech out like this and just said, hey,
I want everybody to look to your left of you,
look to the right of you, look behind you and
look in front of you, because in the next few years,
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many people that are in this class are going to
no longer be with us.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And that came true to a high degree.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So, yeah, it was a it was the absolute change
of mentality. From that moment on, that I think was
really the driving factor to why guys grew so committed
and endured the length and time with which they committed
themselves to this endeavor to root out terrorism.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
As part of the tip of the spear of special operations,
was there an eagerness to get into the fight given
what was done to America?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Can you speak to that, Dave?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
A hundred percent. I mean, very quickly we knew. You know,
damn next seal team six got it. And at the
end of really around October, we knew the agency was
over there. And then, you know, seal team three was
on deck. So they deployed over. I don't know if
you remember, Buck, but remember Mike Spann, who was a
(04:19):
ground branch guy.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
His daughter is a friend of mine.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I've talked to her before.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And, you know, when Mike died, that really kind of
was like, whoa, all right, what's going on? And then
immediately after you had Roberts Ridge, where Neil Roberts kind
of was technically fell out of a helicopter because it
got shot. And then you had the Chapman and Blaze story,
which they both received Medal of Honors for. And then
very shortly after that, a friend of mine that was
(04:48):
at a damn neck, Matt Bourgeois, was blown up at.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Tarnac Farms where Bin Laden lived.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Compound was and so not long after that i i
was fortunate enough i got on an augmented platoon first
seal team one and we deployed over and so i
hit the ground in may of of 2002 and all
of those things were so palpable that yeah it was
all right we're gonna get after it now we're gonna
deliver some revenge.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right i know this we're talking about the 25th anniversary
a third of americans weren't born uh Now, it's kind
of crazy to think about since 9-11. So there's a
huge lack of experiencing this. And then you factor in
that a lot of people were young kids when it
was happening. And so they don't really recollect it. Buck,
(05:36):
we haven't talked about this, but the amount of unity
that we saw after 9-11 was frankly extraordinary. And we
have not seen anything else like it even close to
it in the 21st century. This is a tough question.
We haven't really talked about it. If 9-11 happened today,
if we had a similar terror attack by a similar
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group of people, do you think we would see unity
or do you think almost immediately it would turn toxic
with people saying publicly all too often that we deserved
it now? I don't remember it being as paramount then.
How do you think 9-11 today would play in a
divided country?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Clay, this is the question, man. Thank you for bringing
that up. It's the reality of what we're facing. I
literally just finished recording a show with Joseph Scott Morgan, Dr.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Morgan, who is one of the top forensics guys.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
He's covering all these cases, the Clancy and Charlie Kirk thing,
and digging into the forensics versus the craziness and all this.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And I wanted to talk to him about this very question.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Why are people so fascinated by and engage in death
in such a trivial manner.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So, and that was really what we're getting at.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Like it's almost entertainment, catastrophe or, you know, death or
warfare is like something that you just flip by on
your screen.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And so, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I don't think it would be in the same context
that we experienced that profound unification of, I think you'd
immediately have conspiracy theorists say, well, it's an inside job
or whatever. And that certainly plays a major role in
the context of why I think we're in that space
where the gravity of 9-11 has been diluted to a
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significant amount.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Because people are arguing that it was an inside job.
Look at Tower 7, all these things.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Right. But, yeah, I doubt there would be a profound
unification across at least our society for sure.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
And Dave, I was wondering if you could speak to
as somebody who was downrange and and engaging the enemy.
You said May 2002, right, beginning that deployment to Afghanistan.
Right now, I feel like and particularly even on the right,
people have this. Oh, it was all really meaning Iraq
and Afghanistan. It was all a mistake. We never should have.
(07:59):
I always want to stop that for a second and
say we had to go into Afghanistan. Ron Paul voted
to go to war in Afghanistan. And I just think
that that's sometimes like when you showed up there, we
had a deep entrenched infrastructure of highly connected global jihadis
(08:20):
who had already hit us once, obviously, with a mass
casualty attack. And we're planning dozens of others. So I
just wanted to just, you know, can you speak to
the mindset if you're on the ground there and there
was every reason for you and others like you to
be there?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Oh, for me, it was never a doubt, right?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
You know, maybe later on when I was at the
agency in 2011, you know, after the bin Laden, after
the raid, because I was in Pakistan right before that
and right after it. And, you know, maybe then it's like,
all right, we're done. Let's go home and get out
of it by then, maybe. But for that first 10 years,
you know, I don't think there was ever a doubt
(08:59):
that this was the mission. We have to go uh
do it and we're going to do it at the
highest level i never served in iraq so i always
reside you know leave that to my buddies that served
extensively over there and there's a lot of opinions obviously
but when it comes to you know going into afghanistan
and and engaging the way we did up until including
(09:21):
you know the death of bin laden i i think
there was no doubt that this was a measure that
needed to happen and what quite frankly the crazy thing
is now if you just If you look at what's
taking place in Afghanistan right now, there's another hundred plus
terrorist organizations that are in there operating as we speak
right now. So, yeah, we I think the problem is,
(09:43):
it's like, what do we have to show for it?
And people don't recognize that warfare against an ideology that's
infinitely dedicated towards destroying a particular way of life. That's
a perpetual threat. And you have to figure out, are
you going to face it in your hat, in your
own homeland, or are you going to go face it
down range?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
How come I'm curious for this, for you buck too.
How confident are you guys that we would be able
to forestall a nine 11 like terror attack now? Compared
to how we were able to do it 25 years ago.
I'll let you go first.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Clay, that's another just profound question. And I mean, if
you listen to some of the.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Last year's reports from the senior intelligence operative, you know. Roughly,
they estimate it could be somewhere between 6,000 and 14,000
terrorists have come in across the border over the last
five years or plus, right? So all it takes is–
like look at the Mumbai incident or look at October
(10:50):
7th or whatever it is. I mean that was a
giant operation. But like a Mumbai incident, 10 guys took
down Mumbai for like 56 hours and killed 200-plus.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
People, right?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And so– That's a reality that can take place. Now,
thank God, I believe with the modern day technology and
surveillance systems and all that, we have a better shot.
But man, these people also understand how to operate independently
in their own cells. And then all they need is
a directive, which can be a checkmark on the side
(11:24):
of a wall that gives them the green light to
go into a Walmart and essentially either clack themselves off
with explosives they brought back or you know, to just
buy guns on the street and go in with five
AKs and 10.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Mags and recap it.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So I think we're every bit as vulnerable as we
were back then and probably more.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
So I agree with everything Rutt said. So I don't
want to just repeat everything he said because he knows
this world quite well. Rutt, to that end, why do
you think things right now, we're 25 years since 9-11.
I mean, I remember I was talking to this before,
I would go on CNN and argue with these lunatics
when there was terror attacks happening all the time in
(12:04):
this country that were jihadist-enabled. I mean, it was every
few months, you know, the San Bernardino attack, the Pulse
nightclub attack in Orlando. There was the Bataclan attack in France.
There was the Bastille. I mean, we went through this
period with all of these mass casualty jihadist attacks post-9-11, really,
you know, in the later Obama years, and then, you know,
that was when it really ramped up. Why does it
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feel like things are quieter now?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I mean, I think, you know, partly because there's so
much division within the country, even without the kinetic nature
of attacks, right? You look at the various institutions. You
talk about this in your book, Buck, which is the reality.
We talked about it offline. Remember about the Rape of
the Mind.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Book, right?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
We've been vulnerable across all of these institutions because of,
I don't know, maybe it's like this estimation that we
need to be more caring as Americans or whatever, but
you know, if you're an operator, a guerrilla fighter or terrorist,
whatever you want to call it, you're going to utilize
the country, the civilization, the society, you're going to utilize
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their weaknesses to penetrate their vulnerabilities.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And that's just the nature of what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And I think we've gotten to a place where kind
of that sympathy, that unchecked critical theory-based sympathy for the
fact that, no, if we just are open our arms
and more open, that all the bad people are just
going to keep themselves in check.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
That's just not the way the world works.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So, you know, I just hope and pray that we
people understand the relevance of.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
This attack and the impact it had.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Like, I mean, I had Jason Freewall and Dusty Markin
died on September 11, 2008 with Dev Group.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I had Glenn Doherty and Roan and.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Ty Woods, who were my good friend, and Benghazi in 2012, right?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
This is something that it's not– there's.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
No end to ideologies warring with each other. It's just
the nature of how it works. So We owe it
to ourselves to just like we did when we were
kids with Pearl Harbor and.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
All these other things, man.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
We don't let these historical lessons fade off into oblivion
because they keep us sharp in the recognition of how
valuable what we do have in terms of this relative peace.
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Rutt, we appreciate all the work. Encourage people to go
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Clay and Buck Podcast Network. Appreciate you, my man.
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Have a good weekend.
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Thank you. God bless you guys. And God bless all
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the biggest news stories of August 2001, right before, obviously,
September and 9-11. And we talked about the Chandra Levy disappearance,
her murder and disappearance. And we mentioned that at first
it was thought there was this air of suspicion around
Gary Condit.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But then there was later on a prosecution of an
illegal alien and conviction. But Cindy, I'll give her full credit,
on X pointed out, and I did not know this,
The conviction was overturned and that individual was exonerated. They
said he did not do it. And so technically right now,
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Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's still an unsolved murder.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
It's an unsolved case. It's basically a cold case now.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I remembered that they had arrested someone and I knew
that there had been a conviction. I didn't know that
the appeal had been turned over on conviction. Again, you
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This was the biggest story in America in August of 2001.
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in Washington, D.C.
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At the time.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You could not escape the story. And years later, they
found her body. They convicted somebody. And I guess the
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Welcome back in, Clay and Buck. We have been talking
about 9-11, the 25th anniversary of 9-11 quite a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We have about 25 minutes or so left in the program.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And I did want to make sure that we hit
this buck because the Lindsay Clancy case has continued to
captivate much of the country. And the jurors, by and large,
have been speaking out all week. And they have been
attacking the lone male juror who refused to vote not guilty.
Eleven individuals. Nine women, two men were willing to say
(19:34):
she is not guilty by reason of insanity means Lindsay
Clancy could have been out of the insane asylum, mental
health hospital, whatever you want to call it within 40 days. Well,
one juror refused to bend to the will of the majority.
And this morning on CBS News, we heard for the
(19:54):
first time who that juror was. It turns out he
was a black man. Gail, what is her name? The
woman here, Gail, the CBS News, she's a black female,
Gail King. She is completely befuddled when this revelation occurs.
If you haven't seen the video, you should watch, but
you definitely are about to hear it.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it
was nine women, three men. What was the age range?
What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that.
What was it?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
70-ish to 22. And one person of color and then
everybody else was white.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A lot of the jurors had children.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
One person of color was a person of color, a
woman or a man? A man.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
A man.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Is a holdout juror a person, a black man?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
A black man is a holdout juror? Yes. Well, I
have to sit with that for just a second.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
First of all, I have to sit with that for
just a second, which means basically she has no idea
how to play the identity politics card because a black
man refused to bend to the will of 11 white
jurors and allow Lindsay Clancy to be convicted. I also
can't help but think, was she pretending when she didn't,
(21:19):
when she claimed not to know? They do pre-interviews. Wouldn't
you think if she were going to go down that
path of identity politics with the jury that she would
actually already know the answer to the questions? That's the
only thing that seems strange to me as I watch
the clip. So many of these pre-interviews occur, and.
(21:40):
It felt to me like, I mean, even the decision
to quiz about the racial makeup of the jury.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Maybe you're different than me, Buck. In that area of Massachusetts,
I just presumed it was 12 white people. Well, that's
what I actually thought immediately was, why is that? Why
should anyone be startled by this? Actually, it's one thing
for you to say, I didn't expect this to be
the case. But OK, it was a black guy who
(22:10):
refused to go along with the Lindsay Clancy is not
guilty group on this.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Why is that? We knew it was a guy.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
We knew why it was more likely to be a guy.
Why should this TV presenter?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, yes.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Be shocked that it was a black guy. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Black guys are guys who just think like other guys.
So what is the you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
No, I know.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I but it's almost like she thinks this is a
political thing or something. And it's like, well, you know,
most most black men vote Democrat.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
No, no.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
This is just about being a guy.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, this is why now the Democrat Party, I see
this connected, Buck. according to a Quinnipiac poll, I believe
it was, that came out yesterday, Democrat Party has a 16%
approval rate for men.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
16, 1-0.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It has a 70% disapproval rate. To me, it is
the left in this country that has been arguing Lindsay
Clancy is not responsible, mostly left-wing women. I think men,
regardless of their politics... think that all of this is crazy.
And I think you and I would have bet a
lot of money when you heard, hey, there's one juror
(23:26):
who's not going to relent. I would have bet a
lot of money that it was one of the three men.
I would have been stunned if all three men had
said not guilty. Now, Six days of being berated and
harangued by feminist women about how you're wrong. I think, candidly,
a lot of men would have just said, you know what?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Screw it. I want to go home.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I want to be done with this. Six days to
stand on principle. I don't think most Americans, most men,
regardless of race, would have been brave enough to do it.
I would love now, though, Buck, for this guy to
come out and actually blow up the left's entire oppression
Olympics and say, as a black man, I felt discriminated
(24:11):
against that 11 white jurors were demanding that I find
a mom who killed her three kids not guilty.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Let's also play this, Buck.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
This is the Oprah clip that I watched last night.
And a black woman who considers herself to be a,
I guarantee you, A card carrying Kamala Harris. I would
put every spare dollar I have that she voted Kamala.
She wanted everybody to know we have to remember black
women kill their kids, too. And we should show them
(24:43):
the same level of support that we showed Lindsay Clancy.
Let's make sure black mom murderers are just as popular
as white mom murderers.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This is real.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
And the other thing that I would just be remiss
to not say is I hope this never happens again.
We know statistically it really will.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It will.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
I want us to have the same passion for people
who don't look like Lindsay, who don't have her same access,
who don't have her same access and education, her melanin.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Her privilege.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
There are women of color sitting around this country in
prisons for the same thing that we've never heard of.
And I just want to remind us to have the
pink shirts and the energy for them as well.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
This is dark, man. This is real dark.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
We have to make sure that we show the same
level of support to black women who kill their children
as we do to white women who kill their children.
I saw Mary Catherine Hamm tweet that this is the
kind of extreme parody that you would see made up
because it's so ridiculous. If you watch the video, it's
(26:01):
almost all women in the crowd. All of them are
nodding their head and cheering along with the, we have
to give the same level of support to black women
who kill their kids argument. You were talking about mass delusion.
I think there's entire books that can be written about
(26:22):
women deciding that they're going to give their empathy to
moms who murder their children. There are things that happen
where I say, you know what, I don't agree with
that perspective, but I can understand how you could have
that perspective. There's lots of things out there that I
can put in that category. This is one where I just,
(26:43):
and I think a lot of men are like you
and me on this, Buck, where I just look at
it and say there is a profound evil settling across,
a mass psychosis, a mass delusion you wrote about, women
that is leading them to make decisions like these and
even arguments like these.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Clay, the, first of all, the notion that anyone would
be shocked that it was a black woman guy on
the jury that didn't do this is still amazing to
me like it's like she's disappointed like a black guy
should know better than to have been angry about the
murder of three small children like when you play out
(27:24):
what what the thinking is it's it's great that's crazy
yes because and also you know guys are guys and
we have yes it is true we have our ways
of thinking about things that are different than women so yeah,
it's a black guy. Like what, what's the, but you're,
you're right about how, you know, now they, it'd be
(27:44):
fascinating if the jurors said that they were trying to like, uh,
white splain the situation to him or there was, you know,
there was a pressure on him and he might even
do it kind of ironically or out of, out of
a sense of, uh, sticking it to the, the libs. Um,
but anyway, uh, so there's that part of it. The,
we need more solidarity for women of color who slaughter
(28:06):
their children in comment in public is I'm still trying
to mentally digest how crazy that is.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
And, and how this has turned into a, there's a,
there's a movement of women out there who have solidarity
with deranged moms who kill their own kids and want
to wear, have you, I have never felt the urge
to show up wearing a t-shirt in support of anybody
accused of a crime anywhere, start with that, to wear
(28:40):
a shirt in support of Lindsay Clancy and then to
think we need more of that for the other moms
killing their own children. Killing your own children, I keep
saying this, I think it is the worst thing that
a human being can do.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
It is.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I don't think there is anything worse. It is the
single worst, most demonic, most evil thing a member of
the species Homo sapiens could do And people are taking
this position that we need more support for those people?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
This would be like somebody sitting around saying we need
to work harder on rehab for Auschwitz prison guards and
make them feel like they have a second shot at
life now or something.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What are you talking about? And the fact that all
of those women, I mean, it's a cult. Women who
are left wing are in a really scary cult and
they are consistently picking the people that are evil to support,
whether it's Luigi Mangione, whether it is certainly Lindsay Clancy.
(29:47):
A lot of women overwhelmingly who have been mocking Charlie Kirk, right?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
This is toxic.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's actually also the foundation of the Democrat Party, because
I would bet all those women cheering over. But there's
not a lot of Trump supporters in that Oprah crowd
that was cheering. Hey, we need to show more support
for black women who murdered their children. And that woman
thought she's well spoken. That woman probably is well credentialed.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
She is.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Thinking to herself, I have made a brilliant point here.
Let me bring the racial oppression Olympics and cross-pollinate it
with Lindsay Clancy and let me just blow these other
women's minds. And that leads her directly into the position
of let's argue in favor of black women who murdered
their children. Also, Buck, it's like remember the clip that
(30:40):
went viral back in the day of racists and left
wingers and how much they actually have in common. Now,
the comedian who made the great viral clip, Ryan, I
think I can't remember his last name. And it went
mega viral. This is several years old. But it is
the truth that we basically end up in a circular
(31:02):
world where people are arguing for the worst possible defenses.
And anyway, I just think it's important for you guys
to hear that. I do want to give credit again.
One brave man or woman can make a tremendous difference.
And turns out this guy was black. Don't know that
that matters very much. It mattered a lot to Gayle King.
What matters is that he was brave and courageous and
(31:24):
he stood on truth. And thank you to whomever that
gentleman is.
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And you know what? We're going to have some fun
to close it out.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Because we're off for the weekend.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
We want you to have fantastic and fabulous and wonderful weekends.
I know today is a solemn day and we spent
a lot of time on that. Great conversations. If you
missed it, go back, listen to the Clam Buck podcast,
which you can wherever you get your podcast. I love
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your podcast, you can listen hour by hour of the show.
I thought Steve Yates was phenomenal about being in the
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It's just really good stuff, honestly. It's worth going back
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Clay.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
This is where– it's like your world and my world– well.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
This is– it's both of our worlds in a sense.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
But the world of sports colliding with the world of–
Indigenous peoples worship and celebration.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
This is amazing.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
So I'm going to let you set the scene here
because it's an NFL game, but it's in Australia.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, they played last night. The Rams, L.A. Rams.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I was going to say the Rams of Los Angeles
sound like I was on coming to America. The Rams
are playing against the 49ers and they played in Melbourne
down in Australia. And I couldn't believe that of all
the times that Australia could decide that they wanted to
apologize and give a land acknowledgement, they did it as
(35:03):
part of the pregame ceremony. This is Australia apologizing for
bringing civilization to their continent.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
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means that you are welcome to everything from the tops
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Speaker 2 (35:33):
To the roots of the earth.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
And on my father's land, we sincerely hope you have
a wonderful time here at the MCG. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So, Buck, you, I think, nailed it when you said
that Australia during COVID became East Berlin with koalas.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
They did. I took my family. I loved it. It
was a beautiful country.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And there's lots of people there that agree that this
is absurd that they have been taken over. They did
a land acknowledgement before their January 1st New Year's Day
fireworks that we were there to watch. We went to
the top of the Sydney Bridge. When you get to
the top of the Sydney Bridge, it's a majestic view.
The first thing they say, Buck, is understand that you're
(36:22):
gazing upon stolen land and we want to apologize. They
even have in Australia, this is 100% true, a National
Sorry Day where they apologize for stealing all the land.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Man, that's really weak. I don't know what else to say.
I really like Aussies.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
They're great people, but somehow they really have turned into
East Berlin with koalas. It's just the politics there and
the sense of, you know, I don't know, maybe the
people who were living in the Stone Age when the Australian, well,
another thing.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
The heroes arrived. Yeah, it's crazy.
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