July 10, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show covered a wide range of topics, beginning with a heated discussion about immigration enforcement, criminal justice, and a controversial Minnesota pardon case before shifting into ongoing debates surrounding the Charlie Kirk murder investigation, media credibility, American history in entertainment, and listener calls on culture, firearms, and public discourse. Throughout the hour, Clay and Buck mixed serious political analysis with lighter Friday-themed conversations and audience interaction.
The opening segment of Hour 3 focused on a case involving a foreign national convicted of sexually abusing a 10-year-old girl who was reportedly pardoned by Minnesota Governor Tim Walz before deportation proceedings could be completed. The hosts discussed Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s announcement that the individual’s legal status had been revoked and that he had ultimately been removed from the United States. Clay and Buck argued that the case highlights what they see as the modern Democratic Party’s extreme opposition to immigration enforcement. They expressed disbelief that a convicted child sex offender would receive such leniency and debated whether political opposition to President Donald Trump’s deportation agenda has led some elected officials to prioritize preventing deportations over public safety concerns. The conversation expanded into broader themes involving illegal immigration, border security, criminal justice policy, child protection, and what the hosts described as “Trump Derangement Syndrome” in American politics.
The hosts then discussed the symbolic renaming of Palm Beach International Airport to Donald J. Trump International Airport, highlighting comments from Eric Trump about being aboard the first aircraft to officially land after the new name took effect. Clay and Buck treated the move as a recognition of President Trump’s ties to Florida and Palm Beach, briefly discussing the significance of the airport naming and Trump’s political influence in the state.
A substantial portion of Hour 3 returned to discussion of the Charlie Kirk murder case and the ongoing preliminary court proceedings involving suspect Tyler Robinson. Clay played audio from a ballistics expert discussing forensic questions surrounding the shooting, specifically addressing claims circulating online about whether a .30-06 rifle projectile could remain inside a victim’s body rather than producing an exit wound. The hosts argued that the expert’s analysis challenges several social media theories that have gained traction among some conservative audiences. They emphasized the importance of relying on forensic experts, court evidence, and sworn testimony rather than internet speculation. Listener calls from hunters and firearm owners contributed additional discussion about ammunition types, bullet design, terminal ballistics, hunting rounds, and how bullet performance can vary depending on circumstances. The hosts suggested that many viral theories surrounding the case have not been supported by evidence introduced during court proceedings.
The discussion later broadened into media accountability, misinformation, and what constitutes “grifting” in modern politics and online commentary. Responding to a caller, Clay and Buck defined a grifter as someone who knowingly promotes claims they do not believe, often for financial gain or audience growth. They argued that social media rewards sensationalism and controversy, creating incentives for extreme claims that attract attention. Both hosts acknowledged that factual reporting can be less exciting than conspiracy theories or exaggerated narratives, but maintained that anchoring opinions in evidence is essential even when doing so is less profitable or less popular.
In a lighter segment, Clay and Buck discussed the box office success of“Young Washington” and used that conversation to explore what they see as an untapped market for American historical films. They lamented the relative lack of major movies focused on the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, Lewis and Clark, the Barbary Wars, and the Civil War when compared to the large number of World War II films produced over the years. The hosts debated why Hollywood tends to revisit World War II repeatedly, suggesting that filmmakers are drawn to stories with clear heroes and villains. They exchanged recommendations about historical films, including The Patriot, Last of the Mohicans, Gettysburg, Glory, and Gone with the Wind, while arguing that many important chapters of American history remain underrepresented in modern entertainment.
The final portion of Hour 3 featured listener talkbacks and lighter cultural commentary. Topics included etiquette and courtesy in public life, such as helping other travelers with luggage and offering seats to women on publ
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The third hour of clay en Buck kicks off right now.
It is Friday, it is almost the weekend, and we
are honored to be hanging out with all of you.
Thanks for being here with us. We have some stories,
some stories for sure to dive into, and I'll actually
(00:22):
start Clay. We're gonna get a lot of calls and
a lot of talkbacks here, but I want.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
To start with this one.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Marco Rubio speaking here about revoking the legal status of
a convicted child sexual predator who was pardoned by Tim Walls.
This whole story. You sit here, you say, what the
heck is Tim Walls doing? But Rubio stepped in. Here's
(00:48):
what the Secretary of State, among other jobs, had to
say this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Just weeks ago, a convicted sex offender and a foreign
national was shielded from deportation by the governor of Minnesota.
Loosian national Tou Livang was convicted of repeatedly sexually abusing
a ten year old girl in the state of Minnesota.
He even tried to pay his victim for her silence,
and he called as heinous crimes a minor thing. Just
(01:13):
days before this foreign sex offender was scheduled to be
deported Tim Waltz, the governor issued him a pardon, setting
him free to once again in danger the children of America. Well,
this week I revoked his legal status in the United
States and as a result, federal agents took him into custody,
and as of today, he has been removed from.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The United States.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Because of our.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Action, this foreign criminal will never pose a threat to
any American ever again. Americans must never be forced by
their elected leaders to live alongside foreign sex criminals who
have no right to begin with, to reside in our country.
This administration will always stand with the American people and
defend them from violent criminals.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Buck This is a crazy story that I think should
have gotten more attention than it did. Tim Walls and
other members of this and I know we mentioned it,
I think on the program because I but it was
just such a crazy story.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I couldn't hardly believe it was real.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
This grown adult sexually assaulted a ten year old girl,
and they gave him. He was on the process, he
was on his way to being deported, and they pardoned him.
It was Tim Walls, it was the Attorney General of Minnesota,
and I believe it was one other on the Board
review I'm not an expert on how they determine pardons.
(02:38):
Everywhere is different, but they signed off on this pardon
of a guy who sexually assaulted a ten year old.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
You read this headline and you think there has to
be something that I'm missing here, because there's no way
that the governor of Minnesota would pardon someone it's actually
something a ten year old. I mean, you know, like
you sit here, you go, what is what is Tim
(03:11):
Walls thinking? But you know it goes to how much
of a really like a religious belief? Now, for the left,
everybody who is here, you know, illegally should stay and
nobody should be kicked out of this country. They because
Trump wants to get rid of you know, they they've
(03:33):
really done this thing Clay where Trump wants to deport
first and foremost criminals, like serious criminals and you know,
child sex predators. Okay, Trump wants to do that, and
they're saying, well, because Trump wants to do it, we're
going to stand in the way.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
This is this is nuts.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I mean what Tim Wallas is doing here, he's pardoning
the guy just so he won't have to go back
to his home country. Now, Marco Rubio stepped in and said,
you know, this guy's out, not allowed to stay.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But the Democrats, this is Trumps arrangement syndrome. These people
are nuts.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Look, I just.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
We were talking about dads in the last segment. Yeah, if
you're a dad, can you imagine this? Can you imagine
that Tim Walls's dad? Anyone who has raised a ten
year old? How do you keep a child sex predator
in the country? How do you deserve the privilege of
becoming and remaining in the United States if you have
(04:37):
sexually assaulted a child? I mean that should be of
all that you've talked about this before. I think it's
I think it's one hundred percent true. If you told
me right now, Clay, you can be charged with murder
or you can be charged with being a child predator.
I would rather be charged with murder because you could.
You could come up with a defense like that you have.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Look at and in prison you can walk around and
tell people that you know murder, but you know the
guy was asking for it, and most people leave. Well,
you're prettily. You do not want anyone in prison with
though you were a child predator, correct, and even the
accusation of.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
It It's the worst thing that I think a grown
adult can do bar none because there is no defense
for it. And so the idea that you would pardon
someone who did it. Now they tried to say, well,
the victim said that she is over it or gave
asked for lenience.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Now, well, you screw up.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
A ten year old for life when you are doing
that to her or him. So I just think the
precedent needs to be I mean, I think this is
one example. Didn't they change the law on Florida so
that child rape is you can be executed for us?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean I would rather someone be executed for
child rape than some of the murder cases that I've seen.
Candidly people get the death penalty for not to say
that is okay, I don't want the head like later
Travis says, murder is okay. But I mean, you can
defend yourself in many ways for murder. There is no
(06:08):
defense for sexually assaulting a ten year old. There's, of course,
but there is there is this mentality that this shows.
I mean really think you know, we're talking about the
criminal side of it, of course, and it's you know,
it's a it's an awful crime. And and you know,
I sit here and I look at what And I
asked this question with some answers but also some disbelief.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What the heck is Tim Walls, the governor is the
governor of an American state. What is he thinking?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And and what you see here is that the the.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Doctrine of open borders for Democrats is so powerful that
you can pardon a child sex you know, a child
rapist and that's okay in the eyes of Democrats because
you don't want to be a part part of the
Trump deportation.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
America.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Right, this is this has to be what Tim Walls
was thinking. Right, Yes, this has to be the calculation
that because even on any other thing, you'd say, well,
Tim Walls wouldn't do this because he's not gonna want
to take the heat. Is governor for pardoning a you know,
usually you pardon people for like running an insurance fraud
or something, and you know the company got restitution and
(07:25):
maybe you served a couple of years or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
To pardon people for this what is going on?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
But Tim Walls clearly made the calculation, Clay that to
be a Democrat governor today in America is to look
at this situation and say, you know, the most important
thing is here, not that our immigration laws are enforced,
and not that we send a strong message about the
sexual abuse of children. The most important thing for a
(07:52):
Democrat is to not allow Trump to deport foreigners. Am
I missing something?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
This is why I said yesterday, in the last couple
of days, Graham Platner should stay in because even a Nazi,
potentially an actual Nazi, Democrats would vote for him if
he just said Trump's a bad guy. And so I
think that that is indicative. It's also I think a
sign of people losing their way, because your natural response
(08:25):
when asked, hey, should we pardon this guy who raped
a ten year old should be no, I'm fine with
him serving the full length of his time in prison,
and by the way, I'm fine with him being deported.
This is also a sign, I think, Buck of your
delusion when you wrote about manufacturer manufacturing delusion your book,
(08:47):
everything that we say now on this program, there were
Democrats arguing in favor of in the nineteen nineties and
the two thousands. So some of you listening to me
right now and the Buck right now, you're thinking yourself,
And I think this a lot of times during the day.
Am I taking crazy pills on this? Or twenty years ago,
was this something that ninety five percent of people in
(09:08):
America would have said, Hey, you know what, that's a
good decision.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
No, you're not.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I mean, it's just that Democrats have allowed trump derangement
syndrome to spin them in such a crazy direction that
given the choice between deporting a child rapist or not,
because Trump is trying to deport a lot of violent criminals,
they actually in their minds think.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
We should keep the child rapist here.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right, But to see this is the part of there's you,
and there's there's the outrage factor, the the the disbelief
in what he did here. But then there's the part
of this that is just showing the calculation that Tim
Walls made and that is just it's mind blowing that
this is where things are for Democrats now. And I'm
(09:50):
gonna tell you, He's not going to get a lot
of criticism from Democrats on this one because they understand,
first of all, he's a Democrats, so they're gonna lea
him alone. But second of all, they they at some
level understand and or maybe even support They say, well,
this is a foreigner from some other country who you know,
there's no reason to send him out. And if if
(10:10):
pardoning him he already you know, served time. I believe
he served a number. You know, he already served time.
So if pardoning him prevents him from being deported, that's
an important message for Tim Walls to send. That is
the political calculation laid bare. And you just right, aren't
you all just feeling the same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You're going, what man? Is it going on? This should
be impeachable, impeachable?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Right if you had a rational, functional Minnesota Democrat Party,
you would say, we just had our governor give a
pardon to a ten year old who uh, to a
man who sexually assaulted a ten year old. If that's
not a full abrogation of overall responsibility as it pertains
(10:57):
to the governor, what is right? And God forbid this
guy gets back out. Can you imagine if he sexually
assaulted another kid after the state pardoned him.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, I just think it's again it is trick into
crazy town. Crazy town. It really is insane and uh,
all right, so there's that going on. We've covered that
one and here can I just can we just like
as like a has a come down from that story
for a second. Here we have Donald Trump International Airport now,
(11:34):
which is a nice thing. I'm going to totally different direction.
It's Friday, so that was like an intense story. I
want to go in a very different direction. Now here's
Donald Trump's son Eric talking about the renaming of West
Palm Beach Airport too, or Palm Beach International to Donald
Trump Airport.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Played five oh one am.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
The name of the airport change from pump Beach International
to President Donald J. Trump International Airport. And there's no way,
there's no way in hell is letting ups be the
first plane to land. So we got on Trump Worst
one and Lawrence you've been on it, and Brian you've
certainly been on it. Emily you've probably been on.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
It as well.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
But we had to be the last plane to take
off out of PBI. And then air traffic Control comes
on and you know, welcome.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
To Trump forst one.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
You're the first plane to ever land, you know, at
this airport. And so we touched down at exactly five
oh one am this morning, and it was a beautiful day.
I don't think there's anybody more synonymous with Palm Beach
than Donald Trump and maybe all of Florida. And you
know it's his home. He absolutely loves the state. Won
the state by major margin, you know, and this is
a plane that carried him to victory.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So that's nice airport. It's a nice airport. I think
it makes a lot of sense. I think calling it
to Trump International Airport is a great thing.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So there you go. Something nice.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
We'll play by the way, we come back that audio
from the ballistics expert, and we'll take comment.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You're taking us back into the darkness. Now, well into
the darkness.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Well, it's a short segment next, but I do want
to play it because I want people who were out
there that have been calling in to actually hear an
argument and hear from an expert on ballistics as it
pertains to this particular shot. Yes, we'll play it for you,
take you back into the darkness, and then the final
half hour we'll have some fun. I've got some advice
for golfers out there that I've meant to include in
(13:13):
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into all that, but you gotta see.
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Speaker 2 (14:22):
When hanging you're not just.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Learning, you're also laughing playing Buck just pre sit them
on the ird app. Welcome back in, Clay and Buck.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. All Right,
I'm gonna take us back into the dark zone. Even
though Buck was sharing a lot of well, I would
say ten year old child sex charges not exactly uplifting.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Wa no, But but that's why I took us into
the It was a Friday, I changed. I had hard
turn but now you're hard turning us back, hard turning
us back. Okay, So I promised the final thirty minutes
will be lighthearted, to take you into the weekend and
be incredibly enjoyable. But because there are so many of
you out there that believe crazy things. This is Jeremy Boring.
(15:06):
He was at the Daily Wire for many years. He's
got his own podcast. He had an expert on four ballistics.
By the way, I have reached out to this guy
to potentially come on our program so you could answer,
ask him questions and listen to him for yourself. Gary
Melton ballistics expert. This is from Jeremy Boring Show on Wednesday,
(15:28):
talking about the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Listen, I only know four people that have been shot
with the thirty on six. That is Charlie Kirk, Martin,
Luther King, a fellow green Brain named Chuck Ritter. He
was actually shot with seven six two by fifty four,
which is the exact ballistic equivalent of thirty on six.
He was shot from twenty five yards away. It also
hit him and went in between his ribs, hit his
(15:52):
fine deflected downward. Not only was there no exit wound,
He's still alive and it was all caught on video.
You know, there's in external and terminal ballistics. Most people
are not sitting around studying terminal ballistics and we just don't.
And on top of that, specific to thirty odd six,
I thought it was a lot less likely to stay
(16:14):
in the body, or it was more likely to exit
than even I And once I started actually researching that piece,
and part of that was saying Gary, yeah, you're a
ballistics expert, but do you really know that much about
terminal blistics thirty od six? Have you studied that?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And the answer is no.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So you start going back and you hear about Martha
lu King, you start looking at what was going on
with that, and there's a lot of controversy around Martin
Luther King, but what has never been contested was whether
or not he was shot with a thirty odd sick
That's just not there and we see almost exact results.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Okay, I think that's interesting. Again, this is back in
nineteen sixty eight balcony of Lorraine Motel, Martin Luther King
assassinated with a thirty odd six bullet didn't leave him either,
and he got shot in the neck area as well,
very similarly to what happened to Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, I hate that we have to.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Go into the ballistics specifics here, but there are a
lot of you that have watched videos. I've heard from
a lot of you after we talked about this, and
you just say that's impossible. That is a ballistics expert
that you just heard from, not in any way affiliated
with the defense or the prosecution, saying I have looked
into this, I wasn't much of an expert on this.
(17:22):
There aren't that many examples of assassinations or shootings with
this weapon, and this is what's likely to happen. I
think it's important. Again, you're not a ballistics expert. Probably
you're listening to people who also are not ballistics experts.
This guy is, he's telling you that what happened in
that scenario is not abnormal based on the evidence that
(17:44):
he has seen. So just FYI, all right, final half hour.
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Speaker 1 (18:55):
Also putting something out there Clay reminded me because you're
trying to take you into it and do it take
you to the happy place before we head out for
the weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And that is that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
The movie Young Washington beat the movie Supergirl at the
box office.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
One is a.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Just pure like Marvel superhero slop nonsense movie with a
heroine who I think said some annoying things in the
press before. I can't even remember now, oh yeah, but yeah, right,
of course. And the other is a movie about the
kind of things that people want to see movies about
from Angel Studios, and people have responded and they're going
(19:35):
to movies to see it. There are so many I
agree with the criticism by the way that we've had
so much World War II content just in general. I'm
not saying it's not great and we shouldn't have had
a lot of World War II content, but there's such
a dearth of really good stuff from the revolution. Is
there even a movie that takes place around the time
(19:57):
of the War of eighteen twelve. Is there a movie
you can think of that comes from that that period
or that that conflict at all?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Great question.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I mean you got the pre you know, like the
French and Indian Wars, which is like Last of the Mohicans,
which a great movie. Got The Patriot, which is somewhat
recent with Mel Gibson around the Revolutionary War. I'll give
you another one talk and I understand because people are
so terrified. Oh my goodness, you might see the Confederate flag.
The Civil War is probably the most consequential four years
(20:29):
in our nation's history. How many good Civil War related
historical movies have ever been made?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Glory is probably the best.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
That was like nineteen ninety two ish great film Gettysburg
is the beards are awful, but that was around that
same era they made a great like.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The production of the music is does not you know?
I wa after I read Killer Angels, which is great,
I want the Gettysburg production. They should redo it because
it just is a little there's like a little nine
these cheese factor from the production. The music is not
as good as it should be or awful. The beards
are really bad.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, it's like, first of all, you should grow it.
If you're gonna play a Civil War general, grow a
beard would be my first advice, Like, you could grow
the beards.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
The beards look like they went into like a high school,
like theater class, and we're like, do we have any
beards here?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Give me a beard? You know, it's it's not good.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
So there were some beards of any movie ever, Yes,
there are some problems problems with that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And then I'm trying to like other I never saw
Cold Mountain.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Wasn't that one of them? Okay?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's more of like a romance set in
the Civil War than it is like that actual.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
A lot of people will say Gone with the Wind
is a great but that's also.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That was also set in the Civil I've actually never
seen Gone with the Wind, so I oh, gosh, you
know so wait, there are three movies, according to groc
about the War of eighteen twelve. Come on, what I mean,
no one's ever seen them that much. I can that much,
I can tell you.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
But again, I'm gonna just continue to hammer this until
one day it's gonna be made and it's gonna make
a billion dollars and you're all gonna remember that I
was hammering Lewis and Clark.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Just make the Lewis and Clark show. Make the Louis.
You know what, Man, I like your I'm not saying
it's not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think a movie like to the Shores of Tripoli,
where we do the Barbary Pirates War, would be amazing.
I think people would love the the g Watt tie
in as well, with going to these far off Muslim
lands and fighting a bunch of crazies with their with
their scimitars. I'll actually, I'll actually give you an answer
(22:40):
on why we've had so few history movies and why
the ones that we have had.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Are are World War Two. We basically haven't created American
heroes since World War Two. It's a dark take for
a Friday, But the Nazis were clear bad guys, right,
clear bad guys, not not good people, and we were
unabashedly the hero in nearly one hundred years since World
(23:06):
War Two. Who is a great American hero?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Now?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
They made the Kyle movie, right, the Sniper movie, which
was actually really nice for sure, But relatively speaking, there
have been very few American hero movies made in a
historical context since World War Two. So I think part
of it is just the villainy of the Nazis is
(23:30):
attractive because you have a clear hero villain character arc
and they haven't been willing to go back and touch
it again. We got a bunch of country. When he
gets calls or talk tacts, Yeah, let's do it. Garrett
in Ohio, what's up?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Garrett?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Garrett going once, twice, Garrett on HOWT pause. The guy's
been waiting forever. We finally go to him and we
heard nothing at all. So don't hang up on Garrett,
because I told him to tell him that we were coming.
I don't know what happened then, Jeff in Utah, what
you got for us?
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Yes, bullet type? No one's talking about bullet type, so
that when that bullet leads the end of the barrel
of the muzzle, it's traveling in a certain velocity, And
there's a bullet weight and the velocity, but a more
critical factor of whether it's going to leave the body
or not is the bullet type. Because I was telling
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your screener, I can shoot a milk jug with a
with a jacketed bullet and it'll just leak. I can
hit it with a hallow point and it'll explode. So
I've not heard I listened to you guys all the time,
but I've not heard anyone address the issue of the
bullet type because that is, that is the number one
(24:46):
most critical factor in If I'm sorry, I didn't mean
to drop in, but I was just going to say.
If you go to a gun store and you ask
you go in, you're buying a rifle, the first thing
they'll ask you is what are you hunting with it?
So if you say I'm hunting elk, they'll say, okay,
you need this. If you say I'm hunting rabbits or whatever,
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then it's it's gonna be a hole.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
This is this is a very it's a very uh,
a very correct observation. Thank you for calling in, and
I just I'll speak this for a second. Everyone knows this,
certainly from the shotgun side of things, because if you're
a bird hunting, you want the spread of many, many pellets.
If you're you know, deer hunting, a lot of people
go slug, but I think you can go double lot
(25:31):
buck uh. So that could be a few big uh
sort of a big ball bearings if you will, or
one one heavy slug for that depends where you are.
But certainly with bird you know you don't want to
shoot a pigeon with a with a slug. That's a
very bad idea unless you don't want any pigeon left.
So the same thing is, you know, if you're if
you're deer hunting, though a lot of people I know
(25:53):
do rifle hunting, it depends where you are because the
carry the rifle round will carry a lot further than
a shotgun round. But most hunting round are designed, as
I understand, I'm not a deer hunter, so just to
be clear, that's not something I have done. Most rifle
rounds are designed to flatten or mushroom and expand inside
the target to create maximum tissue damage, essentially to create
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the kind of immediate impact trauma to kill a deer
as quickly and humanly relatively speaking, as possible, so that
you actually don't want the animal to like slowly bleed out.
So if it were to go through clay, through and
through the animal, would you know, if the bullet didn't
flatten and expand, you have less tissue damage and it
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would be a slow bleedout. If the bullet flattens, which
is what it's designed to do generally in a hunting
context for a big game, then you'll have more tissue
damage on the inside, and sometimes that means the bullet
actually stays inside.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Sorry, this is very you know, but it.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Gets into the too. We're going to have try to
get the ballistics expert on. I will say they found
the bullet. So the bullet has been entered as evidence
in this case inside of Charlie body that came from
the gun that was fired from the roof, according to prosecutors,
So the questions that he is asking would be able
to be answered based on the evidence in this case.
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Steven npa, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Just real quick. I've been not for thirty years and
I've taken twice that many deer with a thirty odd
to six use a one hundred and fifty grain cor lock,
and I have had some run and I have had
some drops. Most of them there's so much damage that
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even when they've run, it's just because it's pure adrenaline
and they make it fifty feet and then they drop.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Thank you, Ham.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Have you ever found a bullet inside the deer by
the way, or has it always gone through and through
in your experience?
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Now, I've had them hit both ribs on the end
going in and coming out, and I have never had
a bullet still in the deer or ever.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I know it's rare, but you know there are people
are say that, you know that they have had that
experience before.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But all right, thank you sir. What's up, Clay?
Speaker 5 (28:10):
No, I was just going to say, I think Garrett
in Ohio is back. He's been waiting forever, Garrett fire away.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
Hey, thank you very much for taking my call. Sorry
about that little glitch. So you know, when this whole
thing started with spreading, is this ridiculous nonsense about Charlie
Chiruk's murder. You know, it hit me that it seemed
that there's a part of it. It's like almost to
divide the Conservatives the Republican Party in support of Israel,
to blame Israel. But what I want to ask ask
(28:37):
you guys, if you would, would you give a definition
of of grifting and what it means for a person
to be a grifter?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeahs I'll do so. Grifter actually comes from the movie, right,
isn't that? You know the The original term of a
am I am I thinking about this right isn't that.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I don't know where it comes from. It's probably the
number one accusation that is leveled. I would say of
anybody in the opinion business, the way that I would
define it is someone who says something that they know
to be untrue or do not actually believe themselves, that
is financially beneficial for them to put forward so into
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the public times.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Rock is great, so we can pull up these things quickly.
Originated in early nineteen hundreds as American carnival and circus slang.
The variation of the older underword slang grafter, is tied
to the word graft, the dishonest acquisition of money. About
the way this is off of AI, so you know,
if it's not true, blame you know, blame AI. Early on,
it was used by carni workers to describe anyone who
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ran a swindle or a confidence trick. So in the
context of I think when people talk about, whether it's
media or politics, someone being a grifter, it's just a
person who's willing to y to opportunistically push lies or
fraud for their own gain or benefit. I think that
right would you say, that's a pretty big that's fair.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I was saying something that you know to be untrue,
that is financially or that you don't believe yourself, that
is financially beneficial to you. And that's the way that
I would describe it. And there's a lot of that
on the internet, candidly, and you can. What I would
say is.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
There's a movie.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
There is a movie, by the way, nineteen nineties, The
Grifters is a film nor crime drama. So there was
a movie, The Grifters. That's what I thought it came from.
Apparently predates that though, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, no. I just think there is a huge financial
incentive for if you say things that are crazy. And
I'm not talking about like, hey, like we had the
fourth UFO release coming out. If you want to talk
about whether you believe in aliens or not, that's not
grifting believing in saying, hey, I think that there are
(30:59):
a on Earth and one of them is Victor Wimbiyama.
And I just did a whole thing on Actually, Victor
Winmbiama was not born in the in France. He's not
a human. He is an alien. And I'm gonna and
I knew it was one hundred percent fake, and yet
there would probably be an audience for that. He's the
(31:21):
star basketball player of the San Antonio Spurs for those
who don't know him. And if I knew it to
be as I would, one hundred percent untrue, and I
was pretending that I actually believed it to be true,
there would likely be a huge audience for wim Banyama
is an alien, Wimby's an alien, and everybody would I'd
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make a lot of money off of it, and it
wouldn't be true. Now that's actually less significant because at
least it's so crazy, it isn't actually necessarily changing the
discourse in society. But there's a lot of value for
saying crazy things people in a social media age. And
unfortunately Buck and this is an indictment I think on
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the larger culture gravitate towards crazy. There is a lot
of incentive to be crazy in our current media ecosystem
on both the left and the right.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, if you can say absolutely anything, reality is going
to be inherently boring compared to that, right, I mean,
if you are trafficking in fiction and calling it calling
it fact, if you are doing fantasy instead of news.
You know, news is going to sound pretty boring compared
to that what you can actually prove and what's real
(32:33):
is going to pale in comparison to the creativity that
you can pull together if you're willing to just lie
about anything. So there's inherently a disadvantage that often comes
with fact in this business.
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Speaker 5 (34:28):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck, whos and up shop
Friday edition of the program. We appreciate all of you
hanging out with us. Tons of talkbacks? Do we have
producer Greg, I will put it on you. We have
so many talkbacks right now. Do we have any really
fun ones that we should play as we roll into
the weekend? And what are the ones that will put
(34:52):
people in a great response? Here we go, podcast listener booth, Columbus, Ohio.
I gave the advice trying to make the world a
bit more civilized place buck, I said, hey, just help people.
If you're a grown man, help women get their bags
up in the overhead bind. A lot of people struggle
with this booth in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Fire away the other day.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
You guys were talking about the women sometimes getting upset
because you offer help them with their bags on the plane.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Do you ever have that happen to you?
Speaker 7 (35:23):
Or you open a door, you say, hell, well, I'm
not helping out because you're a woman.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I'm helping out because you're fat. And then you look
them up and down and you say, I'm disgusting. That
will shut them up. Trusting.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, that's kind of the opposite, kind of the opposite
of what I was going for. Put a little bit
better energy into the world by helping people could be
their short right, So anyway, I would encourage also, Buck,
I don't know if you have noticed this that young
men give up your seats on the subway.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh yeah, on the sub I was not on the plane.
No one's moving my seat on the plane.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Subway buses give up your seats to women. It's they
just released the UFOs, everybody. They released the UFO.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Files, the Pentagon fourth batch of UFO documents. Here's the
problem play. Does anyone think these are the really good ones?
It's the fourth batch? You know what I'm saying, like,
don't you have the best ones in the first batch?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So I can you know? I don't know?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Quickly here one more positive. Eric in Arizona fire it egg.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Math teachers definitely teach financial literacy in middle school.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
We talk about compound interest.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
We talk about growing your money and your assets.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
So I don't know what school you went to, but
I definitely teach that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So yeah, we talk about it, We teach it. Maybe
you were absent that day.
The third hour of clay en Buck kicks off right now.
It is Friday, it is almost the weekend, and we
are honored to be hanging out with all of you.
Thanks for being here with us. We have some stories,
some stories for sure to dive into, and I'll actually
(00:22):
start Clay. We're gonna get a lot of calls and
a lot of talkbacks here, but I want.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
To start with this one.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Marco Rubio speaking here about revoking the legal status of
a convicted child sexual predator who was pardoned by Tim Walls.
This whole story. You sit here, you say, what the
heck is Tim Walls doing? But Rubio stepped in. Here's
(00:48):
what the Secretary of State, among other jobs, had to
say this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Just weeks ago, a convicted sex offender and a foreign
national was shielded from deportation by the governor of Minnesota.
Loosian national Tou Livang was convicted of repeatedly sexually abusing
a ten year old girl in the state of Minnesota.
He even tried to pay his victim for her silence,
and he called as heinous crimes a minor thing. Just
(01:13):
days before this foreign sex offender was scheduled to be
deported Tim Waltz, the governor issued him a pardon, setting
him free to once again in danger the children of America. Well,
this week I revoked his legal status in the United
States and as a result, federal agents took him into custody,
and as of today, he has been removed from.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The United States.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Because of our.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Action, this foreign criminal will never pose a threat to
any American ever again. Americans must never be forced by
their elected leaders to live alongside foreign sex criminals who
have no right to begin with, to reside in our country.
This administration will always stand with the American people and
defend them from violent criminals.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Buck This is a crazy story that I think should
have gotten more attention than it did. Tim Walls and
other members of this and I know we mentioned it,
I think on the program because I but it was
just such a crazy story.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I couldn't hardly believe it was real.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
This grown adult sexually assaulted a ten year old girl,
and they gave him. He was on the process, he
was on his way to being deported, and they pardoned him.
It was Tim Walls, it was the Attorney General of Minnesota,
and I believe it was one other on the Board
review I'm not an expert on how they determine pardons.
(02:38):
Everywhere is different, but they signed off on this pardon
of a guy who sexually assaulted a ten year old.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
You read this headline and you think there has to
be something that I'm missing here, because there's no way
that the governor of Minnesota would pardon someone it's actually
something a ten year old. I mean, you know, like
you sit here, you go, what is what is Tim
(03:11):
Walls thinking? But you know it goes to how much
of a really like a religious belief? Now, for the left,
everybody who is here, you know, illegally should stay and
nobody should be kicked out of this country. They because
Trump wants to get rid of you know, they they've
(03:33):
really done this thing Clay where Trump wants to deport
first and foremost criminals, like serious criminals and you know,
child sex predators. Okay, Trump wants to do that, and
they're saying, well, because Trump wants to do it, we're
going to stand in the way.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
This is this is nuts.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I mean what Tim Wallas is doing here, he's pardoning
the guy just so he won't have to go back
to his home country. Now, Marco Rubio stepped in and said,
you know, this guy's out, not allowed to stay.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But the Democrats, this is Trumps arrangement syndrome. These people
are nuts.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Look, I just.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
We were talking about dads in the last segment. Yeah, if
you're a dad, can you imagine this? Can you imagine
that Tim Walls's dad? Anyone who has raised a ten
year old? How do you keep a child sex predator
in the country? How do you deserve the privilege of
becoming and remaining in the United States if you have
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sexually assaulted a child? I mean that should be of
all that you've talked about this before. I think it's
I think it's one hundred percent true. If you told
me right now, Clay, you can be charged with murder
or you can be charged with being a child predator.
I would rather be charged with murder because you could.
You could come up with a defense like that you have.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Look at and in prison you can walk around and
tell people that you know murder, but you know the
guy was asking for it, and most people leave. Well,
you're prettily. You do not want anyone in prison with
though you were a child predator, correct, and even the
accusation of.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
It It's the worst thing that I think a grown
adult can do bar none because there is no defense
for it. And so the idea that you would pardon
someone who did it. Now they tried to say, well,
the victim said that she is over it or gave
asked for lenience.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Now, well, you screw up.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
A ten year old for life when you are doing
that to her or him. So I just think the
precedent needs to be I mean, I think this is
one example. Didn't they change the law on Florida so
that child rape is you can be executed for us?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean I would rather someone be executed for
child rape than some of the murder cases that I've seen.
Candidly people get the death penalty for not to say
that is okay, I don't want the head like later
Travis says, murder is okay. But I mean, you can
defend yourself in many ways for murder. There is no
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defense for sexually assaulting a ten year old. There's, of course,
but there is there is this mentality that this shows.
I mean really think you know, we're talking about the
criminal side of it, of course, and it's you know,
it's a it's an awful crime. And and you know,
I sit here and I look at what And I
asked this question with some answers but also some disbelief.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What the heck is Tim Walls, the governor is the
governor of an American state. What is he thinking?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And and what you see here is that the the.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Doctrine of open borders for Democrats is so powerful that
you can pardon a child sex you know, a child
rapist and that's okay in the eyes of Democrats because
you don't want to be a part part of the
Trump deportation.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
America.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Right, this is this has to be what Tim Walls
was thinking. Right, Yes, this has to be the calculation
that because even on any other thing, you'd say, well,
Tim Walls wouldn't do this because he's not gonna want
to take the heat. Is governor for pardoning a you know,
usually you pardon people for like running an insurance fraud
or something, and you know the company got restitution and
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maybe you served a couple of years or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
To pardon people for this what is going on?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
But Tim Walls clearly made the calculation, Clay that to
be a Democrat governor today in America is to look
at this situation and say, you know, the most important
thing is here, not that our immigration laws are enforced,
and not that we send a strong message about the
sexual abuse of children. The most important thing for a
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Democrat is to not allow Trump to deport foreigners. Am
I missing something?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
This is why I said yesterday, in the last couple
of days, Graham Platner should stay in because even a Nazi,
potentially an actual Nazi, Democrats would vote for him if
he just said Trump's a bad guy. And so I
think that that is indicative. It's also I think a
sign of people losing their way, because your natural response
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when asked, hey, should we pardon this guy who raped
a ten year old should be no, I'm fine with
him serving the full length of his time in prison,
and by the way, I'm fine with him being deported.
This is also a sign, I think, Buck of your
delusion when you wrote about manufacturer manufacturing delusion your book,
(08:47):
everything that we say now on this program, there were
Democrats arguing in favor of in the nineteen nineties and
the two thousands. So some of you listening to me
right now and the Buck right now, you're thinking yourself,
And I think this a lot of times during the day.
Am I taking crazy pills on this? Or twenty years ago,
was this something that ninety five percent of people in
(09:08):
America would have said, Hey, you know what, that's a
good decision.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
No, you're not.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I mean, it's just that Democrats have allowed trump derangement
syndrome to spin them in such a crazy direction that
given the choice between deporting a child rapist or not,
because Trump is trying to deport a lot of violent criminals,
they actually in their minds think.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
We should keep the child rapist here.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right, But to see this is the part of there's you,
and there's there's the outrage factor, the the the disbelief
in what he did here. But then there's the part
of this that is just showing the calculation that Tim
Walls made and that is just it's mind blowing that
this is where things are for Democrats now. And I'm
(09:50):
gonna tell you, He's not going to get a lot
of criticism from Democrats on this one because they understand,
first of all, he's a Democrats, so they're gonna lea
him alone. But second of all, they they at some
level understand and or maybe even support They say, well,
this is a foreigner from some other country who you know,
there's no reason to send him out. And if if
(10:10):
pardoning him he already you know, served time. I believe
he served a number. You know, he already served time.
So if pardoning him prevents him from being deported, that's
an important message for Tim Walls to send. That is
the political calculation laid bare. And you just right, aren't
you all just feeling the same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You're going, what man? Is it going on? This should
be impeachable, impeachable?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Right if you had a rational, functional Minnesota Democrat Party,
you would say, we just had our governor give a
pardon to a ten year old who uh, to a
man who sexually assaulted a ten year old. If that's
not a full abrogation of overall responsibility as it pertains
(10:57):
to the governor, what is right? And God forbid this
guy gets back out. Can you imagine if he sexually
assaulted another kid after the state pardoned him.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, I just think it's again it is trick into
crazy town. Crazy town. It really is insane and uh,
all right, so there's that going on. We've covered that
one and here can I just can we just like
as like a has a come down from that story
for a second. Here we have Donald Trump International Airport now,
(11:34):
which is a nice thing. I'm going to totally different direction.
It's Friday, so that was like an intense story. I
want to go in a very different direction. Now here's
Donald Trump's son Eric talking about the renaming of West
Palm Beach Airport too, or Palm Beach International to Donald
Trump Airport.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Played five oh one am.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
The name of the airport change from pump Beach International
to President Donald J. Trump International Airport. And there's no way,
there's no way in hell is letting ups be the
first plane to land. So we got on Trump Worst
one and Lawrence you've been on it, and Brian you've
certainly been on it. Emily you've probably been on.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
It as well.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
But we had to be the last plane to take
off out of PBI. And then air traffic Control comes
on and you know, welcome.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
To Trump forst one.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
You're the first plane to ever land, you know, at
this airport. And so we touched down at exactly five
oh one am this morning, and it was a beautiful day.
I don't think there's anybody more synonymous with Palm Beach
than Donald Trump and maybe all of Florida. And you
know it's his home. He absolutely loves the state. Won
the state by major margin, you know, and this is
a plane that carried him to victory.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So that's nice airport. It's a nice airport. I think
it makes a lot of sense. I think calling it
to Trump International Airport is a great thing.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So there you go. Something nice.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
We'll play by the way, we come back that audio
from the ballistics expert, and we'll take comment.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You're taking us back into the darkness. Now, well into
the darkness.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Well, it's a short segment next, but I do want
to play it because I want people who were out
there that have been calling in to actually hear an
argument and hear from an expert on ballistics as it
pertains to this particular shot. Yes, we'll play it for you,
take you back into the darkness, and then the final
half hour we'll have some fun. I've got some advice
for golfers out there that I've meant to include in
(13:13):
my travel discussion. We got tons of talkbacks. We'll dive
into all that, but you gotta see.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
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When hanging you're not just.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Learning, you're also laughing playing Buck just pre sit them
on the ird app. Welcome back in, Clay and Buck.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. All Right,
I'm gonna take us back into the dark zone. Even
though Buck was sharing a lot of well, I would
say ten year old child sex charges not exactly uplifting.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Wa no, But but that's why I took us into
the It was a Friday, I changed. I had hard
turn but now you're hard turning us back, hard turning
us back. Okay, So I promised the final thirty minutes
will be lighthearted, to take you into the weekend and
be incredibly enjoyable. But because there are so many of
you out there that believe crazy things. This is Jeremy Boring.
(15:06):
He was at the Daily Wire for many years. He's
got his own podcast. He had an expert on four ballistics.
By the way, I have reached out to this guy
to potentially come on our program so you could answer,
ask him questions and listen to him for yourself. Gary
Melton ballistics expert. This is from Jeremy Boring Show on Wednesday,
(15:28):
talking about the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Listen, I only know four people that have been shot
with the thirty on six. That is Charlie Kirk, Martin,
Luther King, a fellow green Brain named Chuck Ritter. He
was actually shot with seven six two by fifty four,
which is the exact ballistic equivalent of thirty on six.
He was shot from twenty five yards away. It also
hit him and went in between his ribs, hit his
(15:52):
fine deflected downward. Not only was there no exit wound,
He's still alive and it was all caught on video.
You know, there's in external and terminal ballistics. Most people
are not sitting around studying terminal ballistics and we just don't.
And on top of that, specific to thirty odd six,
I thought it was a lot less likely to stay
(16:14):
in the body, or it was more likely to exit
than even I And once I started actually researching that piece,
and part of that was saying Gary, yeah, you're a
ballistics expert, but do you really know that much about
terminal blistics thirty od six? Have you studied that?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And the answer is no.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So you start going back and you hear about Martha
lu King, you start looking at what was going on
with that, and there's a lot of controversy around Martin
Luther King, but what has never been contested was whether
or not he was shot with a thirty odd sick
That's just not there and we see almost exact results.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Okay, I think that's interesting. Again, this is back in
nineteen sixty eight balcony of Lorraine Motel, Martin Luther King
assassinated with a thirty odd six bullet didn't leave him either,
and he got shot in the neck area as well,
very similarly to what happened to Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, I hate that we have to.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Go into the ballistics specifics here, but there are a
lot of you that have watched videos. I've heard from
a lot of you after we talked about this, and
you just say that's impossible. That is a ballistics expert
that you just heard from, not in any way affiliated
with the defense or the prosecution, saying I have looked
into this, I wasn't much of an expert on this.
(17:22):
There aren't that many examples of assassinations or shootings with
this weapon, and this is what's likely to happen. I
think it's important. Again, you're not a ballistics expert. Probably
you're listening to people who also are not ballistics experts.
This guy is, he's telling you that what happened in
that scenario is not abnormal based on the evidence that
(17:44):
he has seen. So just FYI, all right, final half hour.
We will have some fun open phone lines will take
your calls. We will take you into the weekend in
good spirits. And I want to tell you as we
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here to Clay and Buck. Let's get some talkbacks, some
questions and fun things.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Also putting something out there Clay reminded me because you're
trying to take you into it and do it take
you to the happy place before we head out for
the weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And that is that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
The movie Young Washington beat the movie Supergirl at the
box office.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
One is a.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Just pure like Marvel superhero slop nonsense movie with a
heroine who I think said some annoying things in the
press before. I can't even remember now, oh yeah, but yeah, right,
of course. And the other is a movie about the
kind of things that people want to see movies about
from Angel Studios, and people have responded and they're going
(19:35):
to movies to see it. There are so many I
agree with the criticism by the way that we've had
so much World War II content just in general. I'm
not saying it's not great and we shouldn't have had
a lot of World War II content, but there's such
a dearth of really good stuff from the revolution. Is
there even a movie that takes place around the time
(19:57):
of the War of eighteen twelve. Is there a movie
you can think of that comes from that that period
or that that conflict at all?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Great question.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I mean you got the pre you know, like the
French and Indian Wars, which is like Last of the Mohicans,
which a great movie. Got The Patriot, which is somewhat
recent with Mel Gibson around the Revolutionary War. I'll give
you another one talk and I understand because people are
so terrified. Oh my goodness, you might see the Confederate flag.
The Civil War is probably the most consequential four years
(20:29):
in our nation's history. How many good Civil War related
historical movies have ever been made?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Glory is probably the best.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
That was like nineteen ninety two ish great film Gettysburg
is the beards are awful, but that was around that
same era they made a great like.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The production of the music is does not you know?
I wa after I read Killer Angels, which is great,
I want the Gettysburg production. They should redo it because
it just is a little there's like a little nine
these cheese factor from the production. The music is not
as good as it should be or awful. The beards
are really bad.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, it's like, first of all, you should grow it.
If you're gonna play a Civil War general, grow a
beard would be my first advice, Like, you could grow
the beards.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
The beards look like they went into like a high school,
like theater class, and we're like, do we have any
beards here?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Give me a beard? You know, it's it's not good.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
So there were some beards of any movie ever, Yes,
there are some problems problems with that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And then I'm trying to like other I never saw
Cold Mountain.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Wasn't that one of them? Okay?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's more of like a romance set in
the Civil War than it is like that actual.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
A lot of people will say Gone with the Wind
is a great but that's also.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That was also set in the Civil I've actually never
seen Gone with the Wind, so I oh, gosh, you
know so wait, there are three movies, according to groc
about the War of eighteen twelve. Come on, what I mean,
no one's ever seen them that much. I can that much,
I can tell you.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
But again, I'm gonna just continue to hammer this until
one day it's gonna be made and it's gonna make
a billion dollars and you're all gonna remember that I
was hammering Lewis and Clark.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Just make the Lewis and Clark show. Make the Louis.
You know what, Man, I like your I'm not saying
it's not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think a movie like to the Shores of Tripoli,
where we do the Barbary Pirates War, would be amazing.
I think people would love the the g Watt tie
in as well, with going to these far off Muslim
lands and fighting a bunch of crazies with their with
their scimitars. I'll actually, I'll actually give you an answer
(22:40):
on why we've had so few history movies and why
the ones that we have had.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Are are World War Two. We basically haven't created American
heroes since World War Two. It's a dark take for
a Friday, But the Nazis were clear bad guys, right,
clear bad guys, not not good people, and we were
unabashedly the hero in nearly one hundred years since World
(23:06):
War Two. Who is a great American hero?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Now?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
They made the Kyle movie, right, the Sniper movie, which
was actually really nice for sure, But relatively speaking, there
have been very few American hero movies made in a
historical context since World War Two. So I think part
of it is just the villainy of the Nazis is
(23:30):
attractive because you have a clear hero villain character arc
and they haven't been willing to go back and touch
it again. We got a bunch of country. When he
gets calls or talk tacts, Yeah, let's do it. Garrett
in Ohio, what's up?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Garrett?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Garrett going once, twice, Garrett on HOWT pause. The guy's
been waiting forever. We finally go to him and we
heard nothing at all. So don't hang up on Garrett,
because I told him to tell him that we were coming.
I don't know what happened then, Jeff in Utah, what
you got for us?
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Yes, bullet type? No one's talking about bullet type, so
that when that bullet leads the end of the barrel
of the muzzle, it's traveling in a certain velocity, And
there's a bullet weight and the velocity, but a more
critical factor of whether it's going to leave the body
or not is the bullet type. Because I was telling
(24:24):
your screener, I can shoot a milk jug with a
with a jacketed bullet and it'll just leak. I can
hit it with a hallow point and it'll explode. So
I've not heard I listened to you guys all the time,
but I've not heard anyone address the issue of the
bullet type because that is, that is the number one
(24:46):
most critical factor in If I'm sorry, I didn't mean
to drop in, but I was just going to say.
If you go to a gun store and you ask
you go in, you're buying a rifle, the first thing
they'll ask you is what are you hunting with it?
So if you say I'm hunting elk, they'll say, okay,
you need this. If you say I'm hunting rabbits or whatever,
(25:07):
then it's it's gonna be a hole.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
This is this is a very it's a very uh,
a very correct observation. Thank you for calling in, and
I just I'll speak this for a second. Everyone knows this,
certainly from the shotgun side of things, because if you're
a bird hunting, you want the spread of many, many pellets.
If you're you know, deer hunting, a lot of people
go slug, but I think you can go double lot
(25:31):
buck uh. So that could be a few big uh
sort of a big ball bearings if you will, or
one one heavy slug for that depends where you are.
But certainly with bird you know you don't want to
shoot a pigeon with a with a slug. That's a
very bad idea unless you don't want any pigeon left.
So the same thing is, you know, if you're if
you're deer hunting, though a lot of people I know
(25:53):
do rifle hunting, it depends where you are because the
carry the rifle round will carry a lot further than
a shotgun round. But most hunting round are designed, as
I understand, I'm not a deer hunter, so just to
be clear, that's not something I have done. Most rifle
rounds are designed to flatten or mushroom and expand inside
the target to create maximum tissue damage, essentially to create
(26:14):
the kind of immediate impact trauma to kill a deer
as quickly and humanly relatively speaking, as possible, so that
you actually don't want the animal to like slowly bleed out.
So if it were to go through clay, through and
through the animal, would you know, if the bullet didn't
flatten and expand, you have less tissue damage and it
(26:35):
would be a slow bleedout. If the bullet flattens, which
is what it's designed to do generally in a hunting
context for a big game, then you'll have more tissue
damage on the inside, and sometimes that means the bullet
actually stays inside.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Sorry, this is very you know, but it.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Gets into the too. We're going to have try to
get the ballistics expert on. I will say they found
the bullet. So the bullet has been entered as evidence
in this case inside of Charlie body that came from
the gun that was fired from the roof, according to prosecutors,
So the questions that he is asking would be able
to be answered based on the evidence in this case.
(27:13):
Steven npa, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Just real quick. I've been not for thirty years and
I've taken twice that many deer with a thirty odd
to six use a one hundred and fifty grain cor lock,
and I have had some run and I have had
some drops. Most of them there's so much damage that
(27:38):
even when they've run, it's just because it's pure adrenaline
and they make it fifty feet and then they drop.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Thank you, Ham.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Have you ever found a bullet inside the deer by
the way, or has it always gone through and through
in your experience?
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Now, I've had them hit both ribs on the end
going in and coming out, and I have never had
a bullet still in the deer or ever.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I know it's rare, but you know there are people
are say that, you know that they have had that
experience before.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But all right, thank you sir. What's up, Clay?
Speaker 5 (28:10):
No, I was just going to say, I think Garrett
in Ohio is back. He's been waiting forever, Garrett fire away.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
Hey, thank you very much for taking my call. Sorry
about that little glitch. So you know, when this whole
thing started with spreading, is this ridiculous nonsense about Charlie
Chiruk's murder. You know, it hit me that it seemed
that there's a part of it. It's like almost to
divide the Conservatives the Republican Party in support of Israel,
to blame Israel. But what I want to ask ask
(28:37):
you guys, if you would, would you give a definition
of of grifting and what it means for a person
to be a grifter?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeahs I'll do so. Grifter actually comes from the movie, right,
isn't that? You know the The original term of a
am I am I thinking about this right isn't that.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I don't know where it comes from. It's probably the
number one accusation that is leveled. I would say of
anybody in the opinion business, the way that I would
define it is someone who says something that they know
to be untrue or do not actually believe themselves, that
is financially beneficial for them to put forward so into
(29:23):
the public times.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Rock is great, so we can pull up these things quickly.
Originated in early nineteen hundreds as American carnival and circus slang.
The variation of the older underword slang grafter, is tied
to the word graft, the dishonest acquisition of money. About
the way this is off of AI, so you know,
if it's not true, blame you know, blame AI. Early on,
it was used by carni workers to describe anyone who
(29:46):
ran a swindle or a confidence trick. So in the
context of I think when people talk about, whether it's
media or politics, someone being a grifter, it's just a
person who's willing to y to opportunistically push lies or
fraud for their own gain or benefit. I think that
right would you say, that's a pretty big that's fair.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I was saying something that you know to be untrue,
that is financially or that you don't believe yourself, that
is financially beneficial to you. And that's the way that
I would describe it. And there's a lot of that
on the internet, candidly, and you can. What I would
say is.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
There's a movie.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
There is a movie, by the way, nineteen nineties, The
Grifters is a film nor crime drama. So there was
a movie, The Grifters. That's what I thought it came from.
Apparently predates that though, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, no. I just think there is a huge financial
incentive for if you say things that are crazy. And
I'm not talking about like, hey, like we had the
fourth UFO release coming out. If you want to talk
about whether you believe in aliens or not, that's not
grifting believing in saying, hey, I think that there are
(30:59):
a on Earth and one of them is Victor Wimbiyama.
And I just did a whole thing on Actually, Victor
Winmbiama was not born in the in France. He's not
a human. He is an alien. And I'm gonna and
I knew it was one hundred percent fake, and yet
there would probably be an audience for that. He's the
(31:21):
star basketball player of the San Antonio Spurs for those
who don't know him. And if I knew it to
be as I would, one hundred percent untrue, and I
was pretending that I actually believed it to be true,
there would likely be a huge audience for wim Banyama
is an alien, Wimby's an alien, and everybody would I'd
(31:41):
make a lot of money off of it, and it
wouldn't be true. Now that's actually less significant because at
least it's so crazy, it isn't actually necessarily changing the
discourse in society. But there's a lot of value for
saying crazy things people in a social media age. And
unfortunately Buck and this is an indictment I think on
(32:02):
the larger culture gravitate towards crazy. There is a lot
of incentive to be crazy in our current media ecosystem
on both the left and the right.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, if you can say absolutely anything, reality is going
to be inherently boring compared to that, right, I mean,
if you are trafficking in fiction and calling it calling
it fact, if you are doing fantasy instead of news.
You know, news is going to sound pretty boring compared
to that what you can actually prove and what's real
(32:33):
is going to pale in comparison to the creativity that
you can pull together if you're willing to just lie
about anything. So there's inherently a disadvantage that often comes
with fact in this business.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
But we prefer to take that. We prefer to take
that approach. All right.
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Speaker 5 (34:28):
Welcome back in Clay and Buck, whos and up shop
Friday edition of the program. We appreciate all of you
hanging out with us. Tons of talkbacks? Do we have
producer Greg, I will put it on you. We have
so many talkbacks right now. Do we have any really
fun ones that we should play as we roll into
the weekend? And what are the ones that will put
(34:52):
people in a great response? Here we go, podcast listener booth, Columbus, Ohio.
I gave the advice trying to make the world a
bit more civilized place buck, I said, hey, just help people.
If you're a grown man, help women get their bags
up in the overhead bind. A lot of people struggle
with this booth in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Fire away the other day.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
You guys were talking about the women sometimes getting upset
because you offer help them with their bags on the plane.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Do you ever have that happen to you?
Speaker 7 (35:23):
Or you open a door, you say, hell, well, I'm
not helping out because you're a woman.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I'm helping out because you're fat. And then you look
them up and down and you say, I'm disgusting. That
will shut them up. Trusting.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, that's kind of the opposite, kind of the opposite
of what I was going for. Put a little bit
better energy into the world by helping people could be
their short right, So anyway, I would encourage also, Buck,
I don't know if you have noticed this that young
men give up your seats on the subway.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh yeah, on the sub I was not on the plane.
No one's moving my seat on the plane.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Subway buses give up your seats to women. It's they
just released the UFOs, everybody. They released the UFO.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Files, the Pentagon fourth batch of UFO documents. Here's the
problem play. Does anyone think these are the really good ones?
It's the fourth batch? You know what I'm saying, like,
don't you have the best ones in the first batch?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So I can you know? I don't know?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Quickly here one more positive. Eric in Arizona fire it egg.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Math teachers definitely teach financial literacy in middle school.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
We talk about compound interest.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
We talk about growing your money and your assets.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
So I don't know what school you went to, but
I definitely teach that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So yeah, we talk about it, We teach it. Maybe
you were absent that day.
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