October 2, 2026 • 35 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show opens with Clay and Buck reacting to Charles Barkley’s criticism of the Democratic Party and discussing what they see as a broader political realignment among American men, particularly Black male voters. Barkley, speaking with Chris Cuomo, criticizes Democratic positions associated with eliminating ICE, prisons and police while also voicing support for voter ID. Clay and Buck argue that Barkley represents traditionally Democratic or independent voters who increasingly reject progressive policies as disconnected from common sense. They discuss polling among Black voters, including numbers from Michigan, and contend that Democrats are gradually losing support among men across racial groups. The hosts also debate whether the Democratic Party has truly moderated on progressive cultural issues or is simply constrained from advancing them while Republicans and President Donald Trump hold political power.
The conversation in Hour 3 shifts to Sunny Hostin and the Lindsay Clancy case, with Clay highlighting Hostin’s criticism of a defense strategy that initially maintained Clancy committed the killings but lacked criminal responsibility because of a psychotic episode, only to later question whether there was sufficient evidence that she committed the acts at all. Clay agrees with Hostin’s criticism of that apparent contradiction before contrasting it with another Hostin argument about presidential pardon powers and proposals to change American political institutions, including granting statehood to U.S. territories. This leads into a lighter but pointed discussion of media criticism when Clay and Buck react to a lengthy Guardian profile of Clay Travis that criticizes his politics, personality, appearance, sports commentary and family-oriented persona while characterizing him as a “permadad.” Rather than rejecting the label, Clay embraces it, arguing that being permanently focused on fatherhood and family is something middle-aged fathers should consider a virtue. Buck agrees, and listeners join the conversation to defend the hosts and their emphasis on family, fatherhood and traditional values.
Clay and Buck use the Guardian article to discuss the larger conservative media landscape, political commentary, credibility and ideological polarization. Buck argues that some personalities in digital conservative media have damaged their credibility by embracing conspiracy theories, attacking President Trump after previously supporting him, or making increasingly provocative claims merely to attract attention. He contrasts that approach with what he describes as the show’s effort to maintain credibility even when the hosts occasionally get things wrong. Clay and Buck also suggest that growing attacks from ideological opponents are evidence of the program’s expanding cultural influence. They emphasize their satisfaction with their families and personal lives as insulation against hostile media coverage and online criticism.
Listener feedback provides several additional topics throughout Hour 3, including a humorous debate about beards, shaving, testosterone and military grooming standards following comments attributed in the discussion to Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. Clay defends his theory that, on average, bearded men are likely to have higher testosterone than clean-shaven men. Another listener recalls losing out on a job opportunity after apparently failing to meet an employer’s expectations for professional attire, continuing an earlier conversation about job interviews, workplace dress codes and hiring decisions.
Dr. Marc Siegel, Fox News Channel senior medical analyst, then joins Hour 3 to discuss his book The Angels Among Us: How God’s Messengers Play a Role in Healing and the intersection of medicine, science, faith, miracles, angels and spirituality. Siegel argues that meaningful coincidences can sometimes be understood through faith and recounts stories involving miraculous survival and unexpected intervention. He discusses Fox correspondent Benjamin Hall’s survival after being badly injured during an attack in Ukraine, including Hall’s visions of family members and the chain of circumstances that ultimately led rescuers to him. Siegel also recounts President Ronald Reagan’s survival after the 1981 assassination attempt, describing the Secret Service decision to take Reagan to George Washington University Hospital, the medical team’s discovery of the gunshot wound, emergency treatment and the people Siegel views as “angels” who helped save Reagan’s life.
The interview moves further into questions of religion, good and evil, angels and demons as Clay asks whether belief in angels necessarily implies belief in darker spiritual forces. Siegel says that he believes in demons as well and recounts an experience from a cross-country bicy
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in final hour of the week, 14 hours up.
We begin the 15th hour now.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hope all of you are having fantastic Fridays. Thank you
for hanging out with us. Subscribe to the podcast and
or the YouTube page if you have not. And I
believe you guys will enjoy being able to hang out
with us here. We've got a lot of different uh
talkbacks that are funny um and we will get to
(00:30):
many of those and uh but i want to start
with this book one of the big questions first of
all the cornell story is continuing we have talked about
that quite a lot it is the lead story on
many different television networks out there i think increasingly more
and more people are recognizing that the story does not
add up But we have talked about that in earnest.
(00:53):
We can take some of your talkbacks or if you
have questions, 800-282-2882. But Buck, I wanted to play this
because Charles Barkley went on with Chris Cuomo. And there's
a lot of talk about how so-called normal, common sense
voters are going to make their choices. And my argument
would be that a lot of men out there, white, black,
(01:15):
Asian and Hispanic, are just over the crazy. And as
part of being over the crazy, they are willing to
just call it out. And increasingly, the Democrat Party, to
many men, is just a broken political party. And I
thought Charles Barkley, a legendary NBA player and now probably
(01:36):
the best sports commentator out there, certainly the best former
athlete sports commentator, had this to say with Chris Cuomo. Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Listen, I'm an independent who's voted Democratic most of the time.
You think that I'm going to get on TV and
kill my credibility saying every Democratic? Like some of these
people out here talking about no ICE, no prison. So
using words like socialism, like, no, I don't believe in that. Wait, wait,
no cops. I think that's some of the stupid I've
(02:13):
ever heard. What are we going to do without cops?
What are we going to do without prisons? Like, I've
seen some of these politicians, I'm like, this is the
stupidest shit ever. And a lot of them, most of them, well,
let me tell you, all of them have been Democrats.
You need to have ID when you go vote. Like,
some of this stuff, like, wait, Democrats say, like, no,
(02:33):
when you go vote, you need ID.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But this is all very common sense things. And you
can say, well, I don't care. Some of you might say,
I don't care what a celebrity is saying about the
political climate. I do think this is important because Charles
Barkley is a voice for common sense. You heard him
say that traditionally he has voted Democrat. I know Charles decently.
(02:59):
And I will tell you that the difference in political
opinions between Charles Barkley and me is not actually that substantial.
It's just that a lot of people have historically decided, oh,
I'm a Democrat and I'm going to vote Democrat. And
then when you actually see and they start paying attention
to some of the Democrat arguments, a lot of men
are just over the BS. And Buck, black men in particular,
(03:22):
I don't think it was coincidental. that the lone holdout
juror in the Lindsey Clancy case happened to be a
black guy. Because I think what you are seeing, the data,
we talked about this some with John James earlier this week,
the data coming out of Michigan, in the latest poll
for Fox News, Abdul El-Sayed only had 77% of the
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black vote. And you can say that's a lot. Kamala
Harris got 87%. Every single election cycle, a few more
black guys, black men in particular, are deciding, you know what,
this party just doesn't reflect my worldview. And I do think,
irrespective of what happens in this particular midterm, the overall
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structure of the Democrat Party is incompatible with sanity, which
means that men, every single day, more of them are
walking away from the Democrat Party. And I actually thought
when I saw this clip from Charles Barkley that he
is emblematic in many ways of why.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, I think Sir Charles does a great job in
the commentary in general. I got to say I'm a fan.
And it's funny because he was most well-known for a
period of time when I used to watch the NBA
for his I Am Not a Role Model commercial. These days, commentary,
he's kind of a role model. He does a great job.
He's become really a household name with that stuff. But yeah, Clay,
of course, there's, you know, on the one hand, you're
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pointing to the bright spot here of people, in this case,
specifically black men in America, seeing the sham of the
Democrat Party's ideology for what it is. On the other hand,
you know, you got woke 2.0, you got the trans
stuff is they haven't backed off a bit. I mean,
you know, this is it's really now, I think, more clay,
(05:06):
a function of people just waiting until they're in power
again to push the ideas. I don't think that in
the Trump era there has been I think there have
been people changing their minds.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
But I think the.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Net change of minds on a lot of these things,
especially in the last call it three or four years,
is is pretty small. People are very dug in on
these things. So we want as many converts to sanity
as we can get. And I think it's actually something
that we do quite well on this show. But it's
a it's a trickle, not a flood of Democrats seeing
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the reality that they should have seen a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
OK, two other things, Buck, that are in the news
that I think you will appreciate. Mediaite has a headline
that I candidly never would have thought I saw. No,
I have not been hacked. Fox's Clay Travis agrees with
Sonny Hostin two days in a row. And I don't
think we played this cut, but Sonny Hostin on the
(06:03):
Lindsay Clancy case. We played her talking about the Cornell case.
Here is Sonny Hostin on the Lindsay Clancy case pointing
out how in the world can the lawyer say after
arguing she's not responsible for murdering her kids because she
was mentally unstable. Now say maybe she didn't even do it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that he
would want to expand the pardon power because, I mean,
he pardoned the January 6th people, right? That was, I guess,
the first thing that he did in office, people who
attacked our Capitol. And we have this reckless president and
a feckless Congress. So I think there are fixes. There's
a great Atlantic article about the fixes that are possible.
In the 20s, they sort of capped Congress to 435.
(06:46):
Can we pause it?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Can we pause it here, guys? That's the wrong Sonny
Hostin clip. That is the one that I was going
to disagree with. But she actually had the right take,
which is cut 12 guys. Play that, please.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I don't understand how you can spend an entire trial
arguing that she did it, but she's not criminally responsible.
because she was suffering from a psychotic episode of postpartum
psychosis and then turn around in front of the very
same judge and say there's no evidence that she did it.
It was very conspiracy theory and not grounded in the law.
And I don't I don't love this new position.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
OK, so then we were going to play, but you
already heard some of it. Sonny Hostin going off the
deep end and saying, hey, the Atlantic now says we
should just give statehood to all the territories which would
put more Democrats in. All right, Buck, let's have some
fun here. There's also an article up at The Guardian.
The Guardian is a far left-wing organization, if you don't
(07:48):
know already. I was working this morning. It's like The
New York Times of the U.K., right?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It's like the establishment left-wing paper of the U.K.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, so that is a good way of describing it.
I'm working this morning, and I get a couple of
texts from buddies, and then it comes in. The Guardian
has a 5,000-word piece. This is the headline. Clay Travis,
inside the MAGA permadads world of sports bros, trans panic,
and mortgages. This is the part that I thought was funny, Buck.
(08:22):
You also come in for criticism here, and this guy
comes after us physically. He says, and I'm just going
to read this, and I don't even know if you
got to this part in the article, but Travis has.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
I did.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I saw it all. Go ahead. Travis has neither a
sense of personal style. I mean, are you suggesting that
this green T-shirt is not an elite green T-shirt? Nor
any real sense of humor. I think I have a
pretty good sense of humor. I mean, you can criticize
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me for a lot. And then it continues. He's a
boring dad who drones on endlessly about mortgages and failed
sports bets and his law degree. He also frequently looks
exhausted on air as.
As does Sexton. Like, he couldn't even just leave you
(09:20):
out of it. He had to squint. He frequently looks
exhausted on air, as does Sexton. Together, they form perhaps
the puffiest-looking duo in American media. Now, the puffiest-looking duo
in American media. Your hair is puffy. Like, I think
that would have been, like, if the hair is puffy
(09:42):
attack had been out there, I would have said, you know,
at times, but... Buck's hair is pretty puffy. Puffy hair.
I don't know that we could be called the puffiest
duo in America. Producer Ali says this is just intended
to suggest that I'm an alcoholic. You don't even drink.
ali yeah producer ali come up you say that calling
(10:04):
someone puffy is just calling them an alcoholic you think yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
It's a low-key shady thing to say.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I don't even drink that much. I can't drink that much.
I work too much. I might have one day a
week where I have a drink at this point. I
wish I could drink more. And Buck is a teetotaler almost.
That's what I'm saying. Buck basically doesn't even touch alcohol.
So I could be puffy, but we can't be the
puffiest duo because Buck doesn't even drink.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
This guy, though, you'll be unsurprised to know, He kind
of looks like a less formidable and virile Gary Oldman,
if that makes sense. He looks like Gary Oldman's weak
or low testosterone cousin.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Is there a particularly tough-looking Gary Oldman?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
No, but Gary can play– he plays like a thug
in some movies and stuff. This guy would be his–
his little cousin that got a lot of wedgies when
he was in high school, which is, this.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Is not a surprise, but it will not stun any
of you. Uh, the guy who has been listening evidently
says in this article, he's been listening to the show
for weeks, months at a time. Thank you. We appreciate
all the ratings lives in Brooklyn. Um, and, is not
a fan, but hopefully it's helped with the W O
R ratings. Uh, so, uh, that article is out there
(11:23):
and I know that many of you enjoy, uh, seeing
when we are attacked because it is like kind of
a thing when you get attacked that as a family,
you may insult me, you may insult Buck occasionally, but
other people aren't allowed to do that necessarily. But I
do take it as evidence that we are increasingly on
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this program, having more and more of a substantial influence
in the larger culture and Such that they feel compelled.
One of the insults they gave me, Buck, was that
I'm a permadad, which is supposed to be an insult. Evidently,
on Google, I'm used as an example of it.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I was going to say, the way that this is important,
I want to say this because it's better than if
you say it because this is true.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Clay is listed online as the actual definition. Like, he is,
when they say C, he is permadad.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And I don't even know if this was a thing,
but if they're looking for permadad, but I would just say...
Being a dad is my favorite thing in life.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's yours, too. So permadad is a great thing, actually.
I had never heard this word. One of our employees
at Sporting State looked it up on Google, and I
am listed as an example of a permadad. Here is
the way they define permadad, which is intended to be
an insult, according to The Guardian. Permadad is an emergent
(12:44):
Internet slang term used to describe a suburban middle-aged family
man who, Heavily invested in right-wing sports culture. I don't
even know what right-wing sports culture is. You are the
only right-wing sports culture. There's not much of it out there.
That's a good point. It's just me. Political grievances and
(13:05):
traditional suburban lifestyle choices. The fact that that is considered
an insult on the left.
I mean this honestly. The best thing that I think
any grown man can aspire to ever be one day
is a dad. So the idea that you would insult
me by saying, oh, he's permanently a dad. The fact
(13:29):
that they see that as an insult is, I think,
actually quite telling of their worldview in all significance.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, I can tell you because I do know some
leftists and Democrat operative types that are in public in
the media world. they love that some of the bigger
voices on the right have gone cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And in terms of the digital world, they love that
people have become conspiracy theorists turned on Trump all of
a sudden after loving Trump every minute. And what was
good for turned on Trump conspiracy theorists also just acting
like lunatics and being super nasty. And by the way,
I'm not speaking to one person. There's a whole bunch
of people on the right that this would now apply
to in the sort of, in the, in the, uh,
(14:12):
digital commentary space. And I think they realize there's actually now,
you know, we're going to get more heat, I think,
because big show, but also maintain some credibility.
Speaker 8 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Big show and doesn't have two people who say just
completely absurd and stupid things on a regular basis because
it temporarily gets attention, but you light your credibility on fire.
We don't let our credibility on fire here. We're not
always right. We're right like most of the time. Like 90%
of the time. But we never said something. Well, that
was totally, you know, that was the dumbest, craziest thing
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anyone's ever said that we said for no reason. So
I do believe that you're going to see more of that.
So you guys should all be prepared. But we'll always
have fun with it, too. You know what the superpower
is that Clay and I bring to this show, actually,
when it comes to our haters? We're actually both happy
people who love our families and our lives. And when
that is the case... There's not really much. There's really
(15:09):
not much. Just always remember that. If you're loving your life,
you love your family, you feel good about yourself, and
you know who you are, nobody can really touch you.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That's the truth.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Nobody can really bring down your sense of self and
your reputation.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
All right.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
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Speaker 4 (16:19):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're calling in some
close air support from our friend, Light Em Up Linda.
who has got a bone to pick with Mr. Mean
Brooklyn Writer Man. What's going on, Linda?
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Hey, how are you? Hey, so I just want to
say the reason why I listen to you guys is
because you guys are perma-dads, and you're all about your family,
and I love that because I'm all about my family.
And I probably want to say that I grew up
in a perma-home, if that's a word. But I am
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all about my children. And and I love that about
you guys. And just, you know, well, thank you.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We really appreciate that, Linda. And we appreciate you. Thank you.
I do think, Buck. Thank you, Linda. The way that
people choose to attack you often tells on themselves more
than it actually lands a blow on you. I think
that every middle aged guy out there should be a permadad.
Once you have kids, you should be thinking like a
dad for the rest of your life. And if you're not,
(17:22):
then I think there's something wrong about the way that
you are working through your thought processes.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, we kind of aspire to be like, you know,
kings of the permadads here, you know, or like or be,
you know, leader of the permadad tribe or whatever you
want to call it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Jason, a new Braunfels real quick. We got like 20 seconds.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
I'm telling you, the only thing that animates the left
is jealousy and envy. It's not even politics.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
I saw a.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Picture of that guy. Clay, your youngest son, Speed and
Ginger could bench press more than this loser. This guy
couldn't get a guy, a woman like Clay's wife, without
a tax return and a Craigslist listing.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
For a B-girl.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
You guys, doing what you do, make the dads proud
and just keep being y'all.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I love you guys.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
We love you, Jason. Thank you. Look, I want to
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(18:31):
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Speaker 4 (18:50):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck here.
We've got a lot of talkbacks that we want to
get to, and also we'll be joined here, I believe,
shortly by a special guest. But first up, a little
bit of shade over shaving here. From Kevin in Phoenix
who listens on KFYI, this is A on the Talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Hey, Buck, Clay's an idiot.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
I shave every day, and I guarantee you I have
just as much testosterone as he does.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What a boob.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But maybe he threw that in at the end because
he knows about your fondness for the First Amendment and boobs,
you know? So at least it was kind of a
high five at.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
The end there for you, Clay. that the average bearded
man has a higher testosterone level than the average non-bearded man.
(19:47):
I don't even think that's remote of all the opinions
that I could have and have shared on here, I
think that's one of the least controversial ones that I've
ever had. We got some funny talkbacks continuing, by the way.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah, here we go. Mary from Florida listens on WFLA.
This is C, hit it.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
When I got out of the military, I went on
a job interview for an avionics company. I did not
have a jacket, but I had a nice skirt, a
nice button-down shirt, and heels to go to this interview.
The owner of the company did not hire me despite
my qualifications because I didn't have a blazer on, didn't
have one with me. But it was fine. I ended
(20:27):
up getting a better job with the DOD later who
didn't care that I had a jacket.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We were talking about this for people who don't know.
Real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Right, yes, you were talking about things that have gotten
you nixed from a job that involved dress code or
something like that. I want to know, was she told
it was because of the blazer, or is she thinking
it's because she didn't have a blazer? That's a big difference, right?
Because you don't really know. All right, we got right
now Dr. Mark Siegel, Fox News Channel's senior medical analyst,
(20:58):
author of the book, new book, The Angels Among Us,
How God's Messengers Play a Role in Healing.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Dr.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Siegel, you're a man of science, but you're also talking
about God and angels here.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Talk to us, my friend. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, let me tell you, Buck, what this is about
is the idea that coincidences are never really coincidences. That essentially,
and Carl Jung said this, the famed psychiatrist, that they're meaningful,
that things come together in a certain way. And almost
all the chapters in the book have that. And when
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you have that... there are angels involved who make those
miracles happen. And those angels are sometimes real angels that
God sends from above, and they're ethereal. As in the
case of Sam Rodriguez's daughter in this book, Pastor Sam,
he's praying for angels, and she says, Dad, what are
these shadows.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
In the room?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And suddenly she recovers from COVID in 2020 from her
ventilator where she was not expected to live.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
That's actual angels.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But then there are angels as messengers, like when Ben Hall,
our own senior correspondent Ben Hall, was– you know, was
after he was in that explosion of that missile in
Ukraine and his cameraman, Pierre, died. And he wrote about
this in his book. But I told parts of this
that he didn't write about, which he told me in
an interview where.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Yes, he saw his daughter as an angel, but he didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Tell anyone that his dead father, who he had just buried,
also came to him as a vision.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And as he was crawling out of the car, get this.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Ukrainian special forces was driving by and they didn't see him. Well,
five miles down the road, they had car trouble and
they had to turn around and come back to get
the car fixed. And in coming back, he raised his hands. Hey, hey,
we're down here. We're down here. He saw them saved
his life. Our senior security correspondent, Jennifer Griffin, said, save
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our allies to him. And they were driving across Ukraine
in the middle of the night to match up with
the prime minister of Poland, who just happened to be
in that area. And Ben Hall was taken out of
there and saved as a result. Those coincidences and those
angels I just mentioned, some of them actual angels, some
of them angels that came to him, saved his life.
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Ronald Reagan, I write about in this book, in 1981,
after he was shot, Jerry Parr in the car was
the Secret Service guy who dove on him. He saw
blood in his mouth. He thought he had injured his ribs.
He did not know he was shot. He brought him
to the hospital rather than back to the White House thinking.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Uh-oh, I caused rib damage. He gets to the hospital.
There's no wheelchairs.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
The president walks 45 yards towards the hospital.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
And then collapses.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They bring him in, and then they realize he's been
shot in the lung.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
In the ER, Dr.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
David Gens, who I interviewed, this amazing trauma surgeon, says
that they actually were taking care of Jerry Baker, the
press secretary, over Reagan because that's how doctors do triage.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
But when he was in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He felt nurses all around him, some of them actual angels,
some nurses. just nurses holding his hand. They figured out
he lost a lot of blood. They got him into
the OR. All amazing interventions on the part of angels.
When he recovered, get this part of the story. This
is in the book. Secret service has to go into
the OR. They've got their guns bulging out of their scrubs.
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They've got gum shoes bulging out of their shoe covers.
They've got hair coming out of their hairnets, but they
have to be stationed fidgeting in the OR. When he
comes out, GW has him, and Walter Reed wants him.
He's the commander-in-chief. And they say to Nancy Reagan, get
the hell out of GW.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
We want him.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
At Walter Reed, she's ready to transfer him, but GW
hurries up and.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Paints the entire floor so the president will stay.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
So the man just has half his lung removed, and
he's sitting there in a freshly painted floor with fumes
of paint going into his lungs.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Dr.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
David Gens was the surgeon that oversaw his care, a
true angel.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Throughout his hospital stay.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
This is amazing stories. And those are all very positive.
I hate to go dark here, but if you believe
in angels, do you also believe in demons?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You bet I do. And the book starts with that
because I'm riding my bicycle across the country, Clay, at.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
The age of 20. And I open a door to.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Another world And when I'm about at the border to
the United States, a black Cadillac comes to me and
literally breaks my bicycle in half.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
And I thought, this is the end.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Of my dream trip. But a policeman... takes the bicycle
and spends all night welding it back into condition where
I could ride with one gear across the Mackinac Bridge,
across into the United States, across the Mackinac Bridge. That
was an angel.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
The devil was the man in the Cadillac.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
The devils provoke us, the demons provoke us, and the
angels save us from the demons. And that's a huge
part of this book. There's evil, and then there's God's
saviors that.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Come and rescue us.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
In fact, that story I told you about Pastor Sam,
when his daughter was saved in the ICU, what I
didn't tell you was that the angel of death was there, too.
She saw that dark presence looming over her bed, and
then she saw the other angels, and they saved her. Dr.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Mark Siegel of Fox News. The book, it's coming out,
available for pre-order now. So you can get your pre-order copy.
It'll get right sent to you. The Angels Among Us,
How God's Messengers Play a Role in Healing.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Dr.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Siegel, very interesting. Appreciate you, sir. Thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
By the way, Bob Dylan's in the book, too, Buck.
I don't know if you're a Bob Dylan fan, but
he's in the book. Both of his conversions to Christianity,
to Orthodox Judaism. He had an angel named Larry Kramer
who was in a wheelchair who dove off of a
cliff and ended up paralyzed by praying God saved him.
And he was Dylan's good luck charm throughout decades. And
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he brought him to all his concerts.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Got the book. Lots of great stories in it, guys. Dr. Siegel,
thank you again.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Great to be on with you guys. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Look, the team at the International Fellowship of Christians and
Jews were in Israel three years ago when Hamas terrorists
terrorized the country, killing 1,200, taking 250 more as hostages.
They were already on the ground. Because of the amazing
humanitarian work they've been doing there for decades, including helping
elderly Holocaust survivors, on that day they immediately mobilized all
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their efforts to help in the aftermath of October 7th.
Next week is the anniversary of that horrific day, and
the IFCJ has started a movement called Flags of Fellowship.
You will see thousands of Israeli flags on full display
in solidarity with the Jewish population, remembering the terrorist attack
by Hamas. The IFCJ saw firsthand the loss of life,
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the sense of destruction, the worst day in Israel's history.
They don't want anyone to forget what happened there. You
can participate as well by donating $ 25 today to plant
your flag and boldly show your support for Israel. and
the Jewish people, certainly in light of the attempted hijacking.
We know that terror attacks in the Holy Land and
around the world are continuing. The IFCJ has created a
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special website, joinfof.org. That's the word join and the letters fof.org.
One more time, joinfof.org.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Smart.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Fun.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Sane.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's the Clay and Buck Show. Here today. Here tomorrow.
Every day for your listening pleasure. Rebecca, North Carolina, by
the way. 106.1 FM. F.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
I absolutely cannot stay silent on this.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Women lie to cover their tracks.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
I don't believe those seven guys did anything wrong.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
AOC cannot prove what she said is true because she
wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It just makes me angry that women fall back on
things like this.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Take responsibility for your actions. You did something stupid.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Own up to it.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think Rebecca's spot on.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
I would just add, though, I think with AOC, it's
even worse than She wasn't there. So, of course, she
can't know she's going. What she said is contrary to
the evidence presented thus far.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
All of the evidence does not support what she said.
And again, my bet is AOC doesn't seem like somebody
who does a lot of homework to me. I always
say it's important to read the original documents yourself because
otherwise you're commenting on other people commenting. And that's a
little bit like a game of telephone. You get very
divorced very quickly from what the underlying facts might be.
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And you and I tend to read the actual original documents.
Even earlier in this week, I said, hey, I don't
have a strong take on this Cornell case yet because
I haven't read the actual documents and I haven't familiarized
myself with the facts of the case. I think AOC
is just taking the tack of women are always victims.
And I'm going to exaggerate for purposes of political expediency
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to the best of my ability. to try to make
this woman look like a victim. David and Raleigh, what
you got for us?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
He's doing his job when the prior administrations were derelict.
Don't allow the left to control the narrative. Don't talk
about Cornell all day. Talk about the people that were
just saved from another most likely jihadist terrorist who was
going to take down a plane on the 25th anniversary
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of 9-11.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
David, to be fair, we talked about that for three hours.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
I heard it all day yesterday.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So you think we should have come back today and
done three more hours on the terror attack that happened? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
No, I'm just saying give it an update.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
I mean, don't spend all day on Cornell.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Okay. We're glad.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
You're allowed to have your opinion on that. I think
we just want to be clear. We spent a lot
of time on the hijacking. Legitimately three hours yesterday. We're
glad that there were brave people on that airplane that
were able to keep the terror attack from happening. I
bet we have spent more time on it this week
than anyone, almost in all of media. Pardon me for
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stepping on you there for a second. Just a little
editorial note here. Clay and I have been doing this now.
He's been doing it like 20 years, and I've been
doing it for 15 years. And a lot of the time,
if we're not, if we've talked a lot about a
story and we're not talking about it again, it's because
there is no new newsy information to add to it.
It's not that we don't think the story is still
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really important, but if we've covered it, we need to
wait for there to be more to cover or some
reason it's not, Oh, we don't think, you know, we,
we can't just keep doing.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That, doing that.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
You know, every day I've done, I remember, um, I
think Greta Van Susteren for a while on her Fox show,
the Natalie Holloway case.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Oh, I remember that story. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They were doing updates on that story every day. It
felt like for months. Maybe it was weeks, but for months.
And it was getting a lot of ratings, which is
why they were doing it. Um, there are things you
can do with TV that you can't do, uh, on
radio and saying the same things.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Over and over again. Not a good, not a good idea. Uh,
what we, what do you have there?
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Clay?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
What's who's next up in line? Sandra has been waiting
a while. It's actually not a bad question. We, we
talked some yesterday about the, uh, failure of my home
state of Tennessee to execute, uh, a woman on death
row correctly, uh, and the failure associated with it. And
Sandra has got a question from New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (32:53):
Good afternoon, Clay and Buck. You know, that was a very,
very horrible thing that she did to that young girl.
And I have a feeling because of the botched up execution,
she may go on living a long time. I wonder,
I know when you take your beautiful pet to be euthanized,
nothing ever goes wrong. And I'm talking about big dogs
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that weigh over 100 pounds. Nothing ever goes wrong. It's peaceful,
it's smooth, and it works.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Why?
Speaker 11 (33:23):
Do we have complications with human beings? That's what I
was wondering.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's a great question. It's a really, really good question.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist. But it seems awfully
suspect to me that they turned the execution of a
woman into a huge story for weeks, basically arguing she
shouldn't be executed because she's a woman, which even though
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she committed a heinous murder. And then the murder, the
execution did not go as planned. And now she is,
I think, recovering. I just I think personally that this
drug induced murder. killing, the execution occurring via drugs, is
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way more complicated than past methods of execution have been.
Do you think it was sabotage, possibly? Is that what
you're saying? Doesn't it seem awfully convenient that it happened?
It's extremely coincidental, yes. Extremely coincidental. Best case coincidence, the
woman that got all of the attention for a full
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week as not deserving to be killed by the state,
suddenly they had an issue with being able to correctly
execute her. It's either a tremendous coincidence or, I mean,
I guess there's three things. Two, the method could just
be flawed and they need to change the method.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
We've got 20 seconds. Say something happy. Talk about sports ball.
What's happening this weekend?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
A lot of great games going on this weekend. The
hated Philadelphia Phillies were defeated by my beloved Atlanta Braves
in a win for America. Truth, justice, and the American way.
Chop on, brothers. We'll be back with all of you Monday.
Welcome in final hour of the week, 14 hours up.
We begin the 15th hour now.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hope all of you are having fantastic Fridays. Thank you
for hanging out with us. Subscribe to the podcast and
or the YouTube page if you have not. And I
believe you guys will enjoy being able to hang out
with us here. We've got a lot of different uh
talkbacks that are funny um and we will get to
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many of those and uh but i want to start
with this book one of the big questions first of
all the cornell story is continuing we have talked about
that quite a lot it is the lead story on
many different television networks out there i think increasingly more
and more people are recognizing that the story does not
add up But we have talked about that in earnest.
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We can take some of your talkbacks or if you
have questions, 800-282-2882. But Buck, I wanted to play this
because Charles Barkley went on with Chris Cuomo. And there's
a lot of talk about how so-called normal, common sense
voters are going to make their choices. And my argument
would be that a lot of men out there, white, black,
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Asian and Hispanic, are just over the crazy. And as
part of being over the crazy, they are willing to
just call it out. And increasingly, the Democrat Party, to
many men, is just a broken political party. And I
thought Charles Barkley, a legendary NBA player and now probably
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the best sports commentator out there, certainly the best former
athlete sports commentator, had this to say with Chris Cuomo. Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Listen, I'm an independent who's voted Democratic most of the time.
You think that I'm going to get on TV and
kill my credibility saying every Democratic? Like some of these
people out here talking about no ICE, no prison. So
using words like socialism, like, no, I don't believe in that. Wait, wait,
no cops. I think that's some of the stupid I've
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ever heard. What are we going to do without cops?
What are we going to do without prisons? Like, I've
seen some of these politicians, I'm like, this is the
stupidest shit ever. And a lot of them, most of them, well,
let me tell you, all of them have been Democrats.
You need to have ID when you go vote. Like,
some of this stuff, like, wait, Democrats say, like, no,
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when you go vote, you need ID.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But this is all very common sense things. And you
can say, well, I don't care. Some of you might say,
I don't care what a celebrity is saying about the
political climate. I do think this is important because Charles
Barkley is a voice for common sense. You heard him
say that traditionally he has voted Democrat. I know Charles decently.
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And I will tell you that the difference in political
opinions between Charles Barkley and me is not actually that substantial.
It's just that a lot of people have historically decided, oh,
I'm a Democrat and I'm going to vote Democrat. And
then when you actually see and they start paying attention
to some of the Democrat arguments, a lot of men
are just over the BS. And Buck, black men in particular,
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I don't think it was coincidental. that the lone holdout
juror in the Lindsey Clancy case happened to be a
black guy. Because I think what you are seeing, the data,
we talked about this some with John James earlier this week,
the data coming out of Michigan, in the latest poll
for Fox News, Abdul El-Sayed only had 77% of the
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black vote. And you can say that's a lot. Kamala
Harris got 87%. Every single election cycle, a few more
black guys, black men in particular, are deciding, you know what,
this party just doesn't reflect my worldview. And I do think,
irrespective of what happens in this particular midterm, the overall
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structure of the Democrat Party is incompatible with sanity, which
means that men, every single day, more of them are
walking away from the Democrat Party. And I actually thought
when I saw this clip from Charles Barkley that he
is emblematic in many ways of why.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, I think Sir Charles does a great job in
the commentary in general. I got to say I'm a fan.
And it's funny because he was most well-known for a
period of time when I used to watch the NBA
for his I Am Not a Role Model commercial. These days, commentary,
he's kind of a role model. He does a great job.
He's become really a household name with that stuff. But yeah, Clay,
of course, there's, you know, on the one hand, you're
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pointing to the bright spot here of people, in this case,
specifically black men in America, seeing the sham of the
Democrat Party's ideology for what it is. On the other hand,
you know, you got woke 2.0, you got the trans
stuff is they haven't backed off a bit. I mean,
you know, this is it's really now, I think, more clay,
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a function of people just waiting until they're in power
again to push the ideas. I don't think that in
the Trump era there has been I think there have
been people changing their minds.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
But I think the.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Net change of minds on a lot of these things,
especially in the last call it three or four years,
is is pretty small. People are very dug in on
these things. So we want as many converts to sanity
as we can get. And I think it's actually something
that we do quite well on this show. But it's
a it's a trickle, not a flood of Democrats seeing
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the reality that they should have seen a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
OK, two other things, Buck, that are in the news
that I think you will appreciate. Mediaite has a headline
that I candidly never would have thought I saw. No,
I have not been hacked. Fox's Clay Travis agrees with
Sonny Hostin two days in a row. And I don't
think we played this cut, but Sonny Hostin on the
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Lindsay Clancy case. We played her talking about the Cornell case.
Here is Sonny Hostin on the Lindsay Clancy case pointing
out how in the world can the lawyer say after
arguing she's not responsible for murdering her kids because she
was mentally unstable. Now say maybe she didn't even do it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I don't think it's a surprise to anyone that he
would want to expand the pardon power because, I mean,
he pardoned the January 6th people, right? That was, I guess,
the first thing that he did in office, people who
attacked our Capitol. And we have this reckless president and
a feckless Congress. So I think there are fixes. There's
a great Atlantic article about the fixes that are possible.
In the 20s, they sort of capped Congress to 435.
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Can we pause it?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Can we pause it here, guys? That's the wrong Sonny
Hostin clip. That is the one that I was going
to disagree with. But she actually had the right take,
which is cut 12 guys. Play that, please.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
I don't understand how you can spend an entire trial
arguing that she did it, but she's not criminally responsible.
because she was suffering from a psychotic episode of postpartum
psychosis and then turn around in front of the very
same judge and say there's no evidence that she did it.
It was very conspiracy theory and not grounded in the law.
And I don't I don't love this new position.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
OK, so then we were going to play, but you
already heard some of it. Sonny Hostin going off the
deep end and saying, hey, the Atlantic now says we
should just give statehood to all the territories which would
put more Democrats in. All right, Buck, let's have some
fun here. There's also an article up at The Guardian.
The Guardian is a far left-wing organization, if you don't
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know already. I was working this morning. It's like The
New York Times of the U.K., right?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It's like the establishment left-wing paper of the U.K.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, so that is a good way of describing it.
I'm working this morning, and I get a couple of
texts from buddies, and then it comes in. The Guardian
has a 5,000-word piece. This is the headline. Clay Travis,
inside the MAGA permadads world of sports bros, trans panic,
and mortgages. This is the part that I thought was funny, Buck.
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You also come in for criticism here, and this guy
comes after us physically. He says, and I'm just going
to read this, and I don't even know if you
got to this part in the article, but Travis has.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
I did.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I saw it all. Go ahead. Travis has neither a
sense of personal style. I mean, are you suggesting that
this green T-shirt is not an elite green T-shirt? Nor
any real sense of humor. I think I have a
pretty good sense of humor. I mean, you can criticize
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me for a lot. And then it continues. He's a
boring dad who drones on endlessly about mortgages and failed
sports bets and his law degree. He also frequently looks
exhausted on air as.
As does Sexton. Like, he couldn't even just leave you
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out of it. He had to squint. He frequently looks
exhausted on air, as does Sexton. Together, they form perhaps
the puffiest-looking duo in American media. Now, the puffiest-looking duo
in American media. Your hair is puffy. Like, I think
that would have been, like, if the hair is puffy
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attack had been out there, I would have said, you know,
at times, but... Buck's hair is pretty puffy. Puffy hair.
I don't know that we could be called the puffiest
duo in America. Producer Ali says this is just intended
to suggest that I'm an alcoholic. You don't even drink.
ali yeah producer ali come up you say that calling
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someone puffy is just calling them an alcoholic you think yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
It's a low-key shady thing to say.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I don't even drink that much. I can't drink that much.
I work too much. I might have one day a
week where I have a drink at this point. I
wish I could drink more. And Buck is a teetotaler almost.
That's what I'm saying. Buck basically doesn't even touch alcohol.
So I could be puffy, but we can't be the
puffiest duo because Buck doesn't even drink.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
This guy, though, you'll be unsurprised to know, He kind
of looks like a less formidable and virile Gary Oldman,
if that makes sense. He looks like Gary Oldman's weak
or low testosterone cousin.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Is there a particularly tough-looking Gary Oldman?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
No, but Gary can play– he plays like a thug
in some movies and stuff. This guy would be his–
his little cousin that got a lot of wedgies when
he was in high school, which is, this.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Is not a surprise, but it will not stun any
of you. Uh, the guy who has been listening evidently
says in this article, he's been listening to the show
for weeks, months at a time. Thank you. We appreciate
all the ratings lives in Brooklyn. Um, and, is not
a fan, but hopefully it's helped with the W O
R ratings. Uh, so, uh, that article is out there
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and I know that many of you enjoy, uh, seeing
when we are attacked because it is like kind of
a thing when you get attacked that as a family,
you may insult me, you may insult Buck occasionally, but
other people aren't allowed to do that necessarily. But I
do take it as evidence that we are increasingly on
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this program, having more and more of a substantial influence
in the larger culture and Such that they feel compelled.
One of the insults they gave me, Buck, was that
I'm a permadad, which is supposed to be an insult. Evidently,
on Google, I'm used as an example of it.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I was going to say, the way that this is important,
I want to say this because it's better than if
you say it because this is true.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Clay is listed online as the actual definition. Like, he is,
when they say C, he is permadad.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And I don't even know if this was a thing,
but if they're looking for permadad, but I would just say...
Being a dad is my favorite thing in life.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's yours, too. So permadad is a great thing, actually.
I had never heard this word. One of our employees
at Sporting State looked it up on Google, and I
am listed as an example of a permadad. Here is
the way they define permadad, which is intended to be
an insult, according to The Guardian. Permadad is an emergent
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Internet slang term used to describe a suburban middle-aged family
man who, Heavily invested in right-wing sports culture. I don't
even know what right-wing sports culture is. You are the
only right-wing sports culture. There's not much of it out there.
That's a good point. It's just me. Political grievances and
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traditional suburban lifestyle choices. The fact that that is considered
an insult on the left.
I mean this honestly. The best thing that I think
any grown man can aspire to ever be one day
is a dad. So the idea that you would insult
me by saying, oh, he's permanently a dad. The fact
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that they see that as an insult is, I think,
actually quite telling of their worldview in all significance.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well, I can tell you because I do know some
leftists and Democrat operative types that are in public in
the media world. they love that some of the bigger
voices on the right have gone cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And in terms of the digital world, they love that
people have become conspiracy theorists turned on Trump all of
a sudden after loving Trump every minute. And what was
good for turned on Trump conspiracy theorists also just acting
like lunatics and being super nasty. And by the way,
I'm not speaking to one person. There's a whole bunch
of people on the right that this would now apply
to in the sort of, in the, in the, uh,
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digital commentary space. And I think they realize there's actually now,
you know, we're going to get more heat, I think,
because big show, but also maintain some credibility.
Speaker 8 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Big show and doesn't have two people who say just
completely absurd and stupid things on a regular basis because
it temporarily gets attention, but you light your credibility on fire.
We don't let our credibility on fire here. We're not
always right. We're right like most of the time. Like 90%
of the time. But we never said something. Well, that
was totally, you know, that was the dumbest, craziest thing
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anyone's ever said that we said for no reason. So
I do believe that you're going to see more of that.
So you guys should all be prepared. But we'll always
have fun with it, too. You know what the superpower
is that Clay and I bring to this show, actually,
when it comes to our haters? We're actually both happy
people who love our families and our lives. And when
that is the case... There's not really much. There's really
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not much. Just always remember that. If you're loving your life,
you love your family, you feel good about yourself, and
you know who you are, nobody can really touch you.
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That's the truth.
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your reputation.
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Speaker 4 (16:19):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're calling in some
close air support from our friend, Light Em Up Linda.
who has got a bone to pick with Mr. Mean
Brooklyn Writer Man. What's going on, Linda?
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Hey, how are you? Hey, so I just want to
say the reason why I listen to you guys is
because you guys are perma-dads, and you're all about your family,
and I love that because I'm all about my family.
And I probably want to say that I grew up
in a perma-home, if that's a word. But I am
(16:52):
all about my children. And and I love that about
you guys. And just, you know, well, thank you.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
We really appreciate that, Linda. And we appreciate you. Thank you.
I do think, Buck. Thank you, Linda. The way that
people choose to attack you often tells on themselves more
than it actually lands a blow on you. I think
that every middle aged guy out there should be a permadad.
Once you have kids, you should be thinking like a
dad for the rest of your life. And if you're not,
(17:22):
then I think there's something wrong about the way that
you are working through your thought processes.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, we kind of aspire to be like, you know,
kings of the permadads here, you know, or like or be,
you know, leader of the permadad tribe or whatever you
want to call it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Jason, a new Braunfels real quick. We got like 20 seconds.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
I'm telling you, the only thing that animates the left
is jealousy and envy. It's not even politics.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
I saw a.
Speaker 8 (17:47):
Picture of that guy. Clay, your youngest son, Speed and
Ginger could bench press more than this loser. This guy
couldn't get a guy, a woman like Clay's wife, without
a tax return and a Craigslist listing.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
For a B-girl.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
You guys, doing what you do, make the dads proud
and just keep being y'all.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I love you guys.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
We love you, Jason. Thank you. Look, I want to
be a permadad and save you money so you're not
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Speaker 4 (18:50):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck here.
We've got a lot of talkbacks that we want to
get to, and also we'll be joined here, I believe,
shortly by a special guest. But first up, a little
bit of shade over shaving here. From Kevin in Phoenix
who listens on KFYI, this is A on the Talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Hey, Buck, Clay's an idiot.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
I shave every day, and I guarantee you I have
just as much testosterone as he does.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What a boob.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But maybe he threw that in at the end because
he knows about your fondness for the First Amendment and boobs,
you know? So at least it was kind of a
high five at.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
The end there for you, Clay. that the average bearded
man has a higher testosterone level than the average non-bearded man.
(19:47):
I don't even think that's remote of all the opinions
that I could have and have shared on here, I
think that's one of the least controversial ones that I've
ever had. We got some funny talkbacks continuing, by the way.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah, here we go. Mary from Florida listens on WFLA.
This is C, hit it.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
When I got out of the military, I went on
a job interview for an avionics company. I did not
have a jacket, but I had a nice skirt, a
nice button-down shirt, and heels to go to this interview.
The owner of the company did not hire me despite
my qualifications because I didn't have a blazer on, didn't
have one with me. But it was fine. I ended
(20:27):
up getting a better job with the DOD later who
didn't care that I had a jacket.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We were talking about this for people who don't know.
Real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Right, yes, you were talking about things that have gotten
you nixed from a job that involved dress code or
something like that. I want to know, was she told
it was because of the blazer, or is she thinking
it's because she didn't have a blazer? That's a big difference, right?
Because you don't really know. All right, we got right
now Dr. Mark Siegel, Fox News Channel's senior medical analyst,
(20:58):
author of the book, new book, The Angels Among Us,
How God's Messengers Play a Role in Healing.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Dr.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Siegel, you're a man of science, but you're also talking
about God and angels here.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Talk to us, my friend. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, let me tell you, Buck, what this is about
is the idea that coincidences are never really coincidences. That essentially,
and Carl Jung said this, the famed psychiatrist, that they're meaningful,
that things come together in a certain way. And almost
all the chapters in the book have that. And when
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you have that... there are angels involved who make those
miracles happen. And those angels are sometimes real angels that
God sends from above, and they're ethereal. As in the
case of Sam Rodriguez's daughter in this book, Pastor Sam,
he's praying for angels, and she says, Dad, what are
these shadows.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
In the room?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And suddenly she recovers from COVID in 2020 from her
ventilator where she was not expected to live.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
That's actual angels.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But then there are angels as messengers, like when Ben Hall,
our own senior correspondent Ben Hall, was– you know, was
after he was in that explosion of that missile in
Ukraine and his cameraman, Pierre, died. And he wrote about
this in his book. But I told parts of this
that he didn't write about, which he told me in
an interview where.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Yes, he saw his daughter as an angel, but he didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Tell anyone that his dead father, who he had just buried,
also came to him as a vision.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And as he was crawling out of the car, get this.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Ukrainian special forces was driving by and they didn't see him. Well,
five miles down the road, they had car trouble and
they had to turn around and come back to get
the car fixed. And in coming back, he raised his hands. Hey, hey,
we're down here. We're down here. He saw them saved
his life. Our senior security correspondent, Jennifer Griffin, said, save
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our allies to him. And they were driving across Ukraine
in the middle of the night to match up with
the prime minister of Poland, who just happened to be
in that area. And Ben Hall was taken out of
there and saved as a result. Those coincidences and those
angels I just mentioned, some of them actual angels, some
of them angels that came to him, saved his life.
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Ronald Reagan, I write about in this book, in 1981,
after he was shot, Jerry Parr in the car was
the Secret Service guy who dove on him. He saw
blood in his mouth. He thought he had injured his ribs.
He did not know he was shot. He brought him
to the hospital rather than back to the White House thinking.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Uh-oh, I caused rib damage. He gets to the hospital.
There's no wheelchairs.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
The president walks 45 yards towards the hospital.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
And then collapses.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They bring him in, and then they realize he's been
shot in the lung.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
In the ER, Dr.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
David Gens, who I interviewed, this amazing trauma surgeon, says
that they actually were taking care of Jerry Baker, the
press secretary, over Reagan because that's how doctors do triage.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
But when he was in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He felt nurses all around him, some of them actual angels,
some nurses. just nurses holding his hand. They figured out
he lost a lot of blood. They got him into
the OR. All amazing interventions on the part of angels.
When he recovered, get this part of the story. This
is in the book. Secret service has to go into
the OR. They've got their guns bulging out of their scrubs.
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They've got gum shoes bulging out of their shoe covers.
They've got hair coming out of their hairnets, but they
have to be stationed fidgeting in the OR. When he
comes out, GW has him, and Walter Reed wants him.
He's the commander-in-chief. And they say to Nancy Reagan, get
the hell out of GW.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
We want him.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
At Walter Reed, she's ready to transfer him, but GW
hurries up and.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Paints the entire floor so the president will stay.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
So the man just has half his lung removed, and
he's sitting there in a freshly painted floor with fumes
of paint going into his lungs.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Dr.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
David Gens was the surgeon that oversaw his care, a
true angel.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Throughout his hospital stay.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
This is amazing stories. And those are all very positive.
I hate to go dark here, but if you believe
in angels, do you also believe in demons?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You bet I do. And the book starts with that
because I'm riding my bicycle across the country, Clay, at.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
The age of 20. And I open a door to.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Another world And when I'm about at the border to
the United States, a black Cadillac comes to me and
literally breaks my bicycle in half.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
And I thought, this is the end.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Of my dream trip. But a policeman... takes the bicycle
and spends all night welding it back into condition where
I could ride with one gear across the Mackinac Bridge,
across into the United States, across the Mackinac Bridge. That
was an angel.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
The devil was the man in the Cadillac.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
The devils provoke us, the demons provoke us, and the
angels save us from the demons. And that's a huge
part of this book. There's evil, and then there's God's
saviors that.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Come and rescue us.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
In fact, that story I told you about Pastor Sam,
when his daughter was saved in the ICU, what I
didn't tell you was that the angel of death was there, too.
She saw that dark presence looming over her bed, and
then she saw the other angels, and they saved her. Dr.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Mark Siegel of Fox News. The book, it's coming out,
available for pre-order now. So you can get your pre-order copy.
It'll get right sent to you. The Angels Among Us,
How God's Messengers Play a Role in Healing.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Dr.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Siegel, very interesting. Appreciate you, sir. Thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
By the way, Bob Dylan's in the book, too, Buck.
I don't know if you're a Bob Dylan fan, but
he's in the book. Both of his conversions to Christianity,
to Orthodox Judaism. He had an angel named Larry Kramer
who was in a wheelchair who dove off of a
cliff and ended up paralyzed by praying God saved him.
And he was Dylan's good luck charm throughout decades. And
(27:04):
he brought him to all his concerts.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Got the book. Lots of great stories in it, guys. Dr. Siegel,
thank you again.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Great to be on with you guys. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Look, the team at the International Fellowship of Christians and
Jews were in Israel three years ago when Hamas terrorists
terrorized the country, killing 1,200, taking 250 more as hostages.
They were already on the ground. Because of the amazing
humanitarian work they've been doing there for decades, including helping
elderly Holocaust survivors, on that day they immediately mobilized all
(27:34):
their efforts to help in the aftermath of October 7th.
Next week is the anniversary of that horrific day, and
the IFCJ has started a movement called Flags of Fellowship.
You will see thousands of Israeli flags on full display
in solidarity with the Jewish population, remembering the terrorist attack
by Hamas. The IFCJ saw firsthand the loss of life,
(27:56):
the sense of destruction, the worst day in Israel's history.
They don't want anyone to forget what happened there. You
can participate as well by donating $ 25 today to plant
your flag and boldly show your support for Israel. and
the Jewish people, certainly in light of the attempted hijacking.
We know that terror attacks in the Holy Land and
around the world are continuing. The IFCJ has created a
(28:20):
special website, joinfof.org. That's the word join and the letters fof.org.
One more time, joinfof.org.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Smart.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Fun.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Sane.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's the Clay and Buck Show. Here today. Here tomorrow.
Every day for your listening pleasure. Rebecca, North Carolina, by
the way. 106.1 FM. F.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
I absolutely cannot stay silent on this.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Women lie to cover their tracks.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
I don't believe those seven guys did anything wrong.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
AOC cannot prove what she said is true because she
wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It just makes me angry that women fall back on
things like this.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Take responsibility for your actions. You did something stupid.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Own up to it.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think Rebecca's spot on.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
I would just add, though, I think with AOC, it's
even worse than She wasn't there. So, of course, she
can't know she's going. What she said is contrary to
the evidence presented thus far.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
All of the evidence does not support what she said.
And again, my bet is AOC doesn't seem like somebody
who does a lot of homework to me. I always
say it's important to read the original documents yourself because
otherwise you're commenting on other people commenting. And that's a
little bit like a game of telephone. You get very
divorced very quickly from what the underlying facts might be.
(29:50):
And you and I tend to read the actual original documents.
Even earlier in this week, I said, hey, I don't
have a strong take on this Cornell case yet because
I haven't read the actual documents and I haven't familiarized
myself with the facts of the case. I think AOC
is just taking the tack of women are always victims.
And I'm going to exaggerate for purposes of political expediency
(30:14):
to the best of my ability. to try to make
this woman look like a victim. David and Raleigh, what
you got for us?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
He's doing his job when the prior administrations were derelict.
Don't allow the left to control the narrative. Don't talk
about Cornell all day. Talk about the people that were
just saved from another most likely jihadist terrorist who was
going to take down a plane on the 25th anniversary
(30:46):
of 9-11.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
David, to be fair, we talked about that for three hours.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
I heard it all day yesterday.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
So you think we should have come back today and
done three more hours on the terror attack that happened? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
No, I'm just saying give it an update.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
I mean, don't spend all day on Cornell.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Okay. We're glad.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
You're allowed to have your opinion on that. I think
we just want to be clear. We spent a lot
of time on the hijacking. Legitimately three hours yesterday. We're
glad that there were brave people on that airplane that
were able to keep the terror attack from happening. I
bet we have spent more time on it this week
than anyone, almost in all of media. Pardon me for
(31:29):
stepping on you there for a second. Just a little
editorial note here. Clay and I have been doing this now.
He's been doing it like 20 years, and I've been
doing it for 15 years. And a lot of the time,
if we're not, if we've talked a lot about a
story and we're not talking about it again, it's because
there is no new newsy information to add to it.
It's not that we don't think the story is still
(31:49):
really important, but if we've covered it, we need to
wait for there to be more to cover or some
reason it's not, Oh, we don't think, you know, we,
we can't just keep doing.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That, doing that.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
You know, every day I've done, I remember, um, I
think Greta Van Susteren for a while on her Fox show,
the Natalie Holloway case.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Oh, I remember that story. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
They were doing updates on that story every day. It
felt like for months. Maybe it was weeks, but for months.
And it was getting a lot of ratings, which is
why they were doing it. Um, there are things you
can do with TV that you can't do, uh, on
radio and saying the same things.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Over and over again. Not a good, not a good idea. Uh,
what we, what do you have there?
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Clay?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
What's who's next up in line? Sandra has been waiting
a while. It's actually not a bad question. We, we
talked some yesterday about the, uh, failure of my home
state of Tennessee to execute, uh, a woman on death
row correctly, uh, and the failure associated with it. And
Sandra has got a question from New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yes.
Speaker 11 (32:53):
Good afternoon, Clay and Buck. You know, that was a very,
very horrible thing that she did to that young girl.
And I have a feeling because of the botched up execution,
she may go on living a long time. I wonder,
I know when you take your beautiful pet to be euthanized,
nothing ever goes wrong. And I'm talking about big dogs
(33:16):
that weigh over 100 pounds. Nothing ever goes wrong. It's peaceful,
it's smooth, and it works.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Why?
Speaker 11 (33:23):
Do we have complications with human beings? That's what I
was wondering.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's a great question. It's a really, really good question.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist. But it seems awfully
suspect to me that they turned the execution of a
woman into a huge story for weeks, basically arguing she
shouldn't be executed because she's a woman, which even though
(33:48):
she committed a heinous murder. And then the murder, the
execution did not go as planned. And now she is,
I think, recovering. I just I think personally that this
drug induced murder. killing, the execution occurring via drugs, is
(34:11):
way more complicated than past methods of execution have been.
Do you think it was sabotage, possibly? Is that what
you're saying? Doesn't it seem awfully convenient that it happened?
It's extremely coincidental, yes. Extremely coincidental. Best case coincidence, the
woman that got all of the attention for a full
(34:32):
week as not deserving to be killed by the state,
suddenly they had an issue with being able to correctly
execute her. It's either a tremendous coincidence or, I mean,
I guess there's three things. Two, the method could just
be flawed and they need to change the method.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
We've got 20 seconds. Say something happy. Talk about sports ball.
What's happening this weekend?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
A lot of great games going on this weekend. The
hated Philadelphia Phillies were defeated by my beloved Atlanta Braves
in a win for America. Truth, justice, and the American way.
Chop on, brothers. We'll be back with all of you Monday.
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