September 14, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focused on the continuing national debate over artificial intelligence, AI regulation, U.S.-China technological competition, federal spending, President Donald Trump’s policy agenda, the 2026 midterm elections, military heroism, and the ongoing public fallout from the Lindsay Clancy case. The hosts opened the hour by revisiting one of the show’s central themes of the day: whether government should regulate artificial intelligence and what role emerging technology will play in America’s future. They discussed comments from Vice President JD Vance, who expressed skepticism toward major AI companies publicly advocating for regulation, suggesting that some technology firms may support government oversight because it protects established industry leaders from future competitors. Clay and Buck argued that regulation often benefits large corporations by creating barriers to entry while also warning that excessive regulation could weaken America’s position in the global race against China for technological dominance.
The hosts spent considerable time examining the broader AI industry, Big Tech, government regulation, data centers, and economic competitiveness. Both argued that concerns over artificial intelligence are increasingly being amplified in political circles and that many of the fears surrounding the technology are being used to justify government intervention. Clay suggested that some large technology firms may actually welcome regulation because it locks in their current market advantages, while both hosts repeatedly emphasized the strategic importance of maintaining American leadership in AI development. They argued that China remains the principal geopolitical competitor in this technological race and warned that policies slowing innovation could ultimately benefit Chinese interests more than American workers and businesses.
A related discussion focused on how politicians respond to public fear. Clay argued that many elected officials successfully gain support by validating anxiety and uncertainty, whereas he believes strong leadership requires guiding voters through complex issues rather than amplifying fears. Using examples from fiscal policy, healthcare, and technological innovation, the hosts contended that many modern political debates are driven by emotional reactions rather than practical analysis. They presented AI as an example of a transformative technology that deserves thoughtful discussion rather than panic-driven regulation.
The conversation then shifted to President Donald Trump’s proposal to issue $5,000 direct payments to Americans, a topic that generated substantial discussion. The hosts analyzed Trump’s comments aboard Air Force One, where he reiterated his belief that strong economic growth, tariffs, and increased revenue could make such payments possible. While both hosts acknowledged Trump’s confidence in the idea, Clay expressed substantial skepticism that Congress would approve such a proposal. He argued that regardless of which party controls the House or Senate after the midterm elections, legislative gridlock is likely to dominate Washington and make major new initiatives difficult to pass. The discussion evolved into a broader debate over federal spending, deficits, and fiscal responsibility.
A significant portion of Hour 3 centered on America’s national debt, federal budget growth, government spending, and economic sustainability. Clay delivered an extended critique of federal spending levels, arguing that the United States does not suffer from a revenue problem but rather from an expenditure problem. He highlighted the dramatic increase in federal spending since 2019 and warned that continued growth in the national debt presents a far greater threat than many of the technological fears dominating public discourse. The hosts debated whether economic growth driven by innovation, productivity gains, and artificial intelligence could eventually help reduce the burden of the national debt by expanding the overall economy faster than government liabilities grow.
Another segment highlighted a remarkable military rescue operation in Iran involving an American pilot, Dude 44 Bravo, whose story was recently featured on television. The hosts praised the pilot’s survival and the successful rescue effort, describing it as one of the most compelling military stories in recent memory. They discussed the extraordinary circumstances surrounding the operation, including the pilot’s injuries, survival in hostile territory, and eventual recovery by American forces. Clay and Buck praised the bravery of the troops involved and suggested that the story demonstrates the professionalism, courage, and effectiveness of the U.S. military. They also discussed public interest in military storytelling and the possibility that such events
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Appreciate
you all being with us, my friends, as always. And
some stuff to talk about with the midterms coming up.
Wanted to get into that. We've got also Trump reactions
on a whole range of things. But first up, I
want to say we had J.D. Vance just moments ago
(00:23):
in the last hour.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He was talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, Exactly what we were talking about during that hour,
which was AI and tech regulation and that. Remember, I
read you that thread, Clay. I think that X thread
got to 120.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Million views or something like that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
One of the most read posts on X, I would
have to assume, ever. I've very rarely seen it get
to that number. And that got a lot of attention
and other people now have been weighing in on the
heads of these different companies. And, you know, there's OpenAI
and there's Anthropic and there's Claude and there's XAI and
there's all these companies.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And here is J.D. Vance.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
On this exact issue, and it is cut 18.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Play it. There are obviously risks to AI.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
There are some benefits to AI.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I have to say, just personally, I feel a little
bit weird about the.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Fact that you have so many frontier AI tech companies
kind of humming to the government and begging the government
to regulate them. It feels a little bit, to me,
like a bit of a Trojan horse. So I think
we just have to be careful about this. The other
thing the president said pretty consistently is we know that
the Chinese are engaged in this long-term AI race against
the United States. We want to make sure the United States,
we do things smartly, but we stay ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Clay, two pieces there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
The companies coming forward, the AI companies, and then the
China piece of this. We've talked a bit already about
the China piece, but on the companies coming forward, I
would just say to.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Me, There are only two real reasons they would do this. One.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
is the social credit virtue signaling attention of like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Warning everybody about this. They're not going to stop it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So the warning is, this is like, this is like,
you know, this is like the famous actors going around
warning about climate change, flying in their private jets. Like
you don't really think that's going to happen because you
don't really care. So I don't think that, so that's
one possibility. The other is more of an anti-competitive, maybe
collusive or collusion based thing. corporatist argument which is hey
(02:34):
we need to lock in that we are the ais
that the government is essentially going to be working with
and allowing and we don't want some upstarts out there
because remember we're just talking about tech we're talking about
compute how do you because i i see two pieces
of this do you see two pieces or you think
it's really just the second one where do you come
down on this.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think there's two pieces.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
One is China is manipulating much of American political thought
and they're doing it by going after data centers.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And now they're going after AI. And I think we're
getting played.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The second part is if you see that regulation is coming,
you can either fight it aggressively or you can recognize
that if you have a major competitive advantage and you
have created a moat, around your business, the government coming
in and regulating something usually just means whoever the winners are,
(03:34):
that industry is then frozen in place and you don't
have to worry about the proverbial upstart stealing your advantage.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Big government and big business tend to love each other.
They tend to go together like peas and carrots.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So that is my thought in general as to what
we are seeing here. I am very skeptical. You remember
back in the day, I don't know, they decided that
Br'er Rabbit was offensive. They took down Splash Mountain and
they replaced it with Tiana's Bayou at Disney World and Disneyland.
(04:10):
Star of Splash Mountain was Br'er Rabbit. For those of
you who grew up reading or being exposed at all
to the Br'er Rabbit stories, I think it was Joel
Chandler Harris was a former slave who had basically taken
Br'er Rabbit and the witticisms. They were old plantation tales.
And Br'er Rabbit, one of the Br'er Rabbit most famous,
(04:34):
I would say, stories was he begs to be, he says,
please don't throw me in the briar patch. Whatever you do,
don't throw me in the briar patch. I'll never be able.
He's captured. He's in trouble. They throw him into a
briar patch. Rabbits love briar patches. They couldn't be more
happy there. Whenever I see an industry screaming for regulation.
(04:58):
I think about Br'er Rabbit or even fighting regulation a
little bit. I think about Br'er Rabbit. They want the
government involved because that briar patch means that they're protected.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They're in there. They're going to be fine.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So I think everybody out there just needs to be skeptical.
And this is one where I think Trump deserves a
lot of credit.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
The easiest thing for any politician to do, and J.D. Vance,
who we just played, the easiest thing for any politician
to do is lean into politics. Fear that is emanating
out there in the electorate, because if you speak back
and you say, well, let me explain why that fear
is wrong in the era in which we live, you
(05:38):
are not validating the emotion. One of the worst things
that has ever happened is Bill Clinton saying, I feel
your pain. Because it set in place the idea that politicians,
to me, Buck, I don't know if you buy this,
that politicians, it used to be politicians were like the.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Dad in the family.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The reason why I like Ron Johnson so much, Senator
from Wisconsin. is when he talks about the money we're spending,
he is dad whose daughter or son comes home from college,
and you sit down there in the kitchen table, and
he's just like... Tell me how you spent $ 400 on
(06:22):
shoes last month. And, you know, son or daughter or
whatever is just like, well, you know, it's just, it's
the pain in his voice as he goes through all
of the details. I want leaders who aren't telling me,
you're right to feel sad. You're right to feel uncomfortable.
I want leaders who are going to say, listen, This
(06:45):
is what's going on. This is what matters. I want
the leader of the country to be a dad who's
just uncomfortable with the budget.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
There's a lot of these guys, right? Rand Paul.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Rand Paul is the doctor who, when you're in with him,
he's not the doctor who's going to sugarcoat things.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He's like... you're making some really bad choices.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Rand Paul is a doctor who's like, you got to
put down the peanut butter M & Ms.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
You're not going to last, buddy. You know, that's kind of,
he's not like, Hey, I want to feel your pain.
He's like, you're eating way too many sweets, buddy. You
way too much. Like, let's talk about this. I think
that it's easy to lean in on the fear. And
I think a lot of politicians are, and I think
you guys have to be smarter and understand what's going
on here. I think AI is a net positive and
it doesn't mean everything's perfect, but, You should be skeptical
(07:32):
when you're hearing a lot of Democrats. When Bernie Sanders
is saying we should stop this industry from existing anymore,
your antenna should go up and you should be saying,
what has Bernie Sanders been right about ever?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Speaking of skepticism, some are expressing skepticism at Trump's $ 5, 000
Trump check idea, right? These $ 5, 000 payments that will go out.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Trump addressed this.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
From Air Force One to the press, this is cut to,
here is what the commander-in-chief said.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The $ 5, 000.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Debt is going forward, and that's because we're taking in
so much money in so different ways.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Including the tariff.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Is there a plan exactly how.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
We're going to pay for that?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, I know exactly how.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We're going to pay for it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know, it's interesting on that, because everybody says that
the great.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Big, beautiful bill will never happen.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They said that the $ 1, 776 for the military, $ 1, 776 would
never happen. And it happened. They were paid. And now
they say, oh, the $ 5, 000.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
The $ 5, 000 is going to happen 100%.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And the reason is because.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Our country is taking in trillions and.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Trillions of dollars. And it's going to happen because the
people deserve.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It because they were treated so badly by the Democrats
and by Biden. I will tell you this, Clay, and
I could be wrong, but I saw you were out,
I think, the day that he announced this. It was
last week. You were traveling. And I addressed this. And
my sense is Even for the most ardent Trump supporter,
(09:05):
their attitude about this is, I love him, I want
to win the midterms, I love that he's optimistic, but
they don't think he's actually, this is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I could be wrong, but I don't think, I was
getting people that were writing in or calling in, Clay,
and they were saying, I love Trump, I'm with him 100%,
but this is him being a little salesman-ish.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
If you will. I don't disagree.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I mean, I said in the first hour that I
think regardless of who wins the Senate and the House,
almost nothing is going to get done over the next
two years. I am not optimistic. Democrats are going to
sit around and obstruct everything they can because they know
Trump is out of office in January of twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We know already.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
That Republicans have been skeptical about many of Trump's top policies.
So and prescriptions for things that need to happen. The
SAVE Act is a great example, even when 80 percent
of Americans want vaccines. election law rules codified, they can't
do it. And so my concern is that whether it's
(10:14):
a $ 5, 000 rebate, and you all know that I am
frustrated beyond word with the amount of money that we
are spending. We do not have a revenue problem. We
have an expense problem in this country. And until we
have a real conversation about the fact that basically the budget,
what is the budget of 60% bucks since 2020? The
(10:36):
amount of money that we are spending in 2026 compared
to 2020, I'll grok it during the break here and
see just exactly how much, but I think we're up
around 60% in overall spending. We cannot tax our way
into a balanced budget at this point in time. We
have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. If you're
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making $ 250, 000 a year in America.
And you are spending more than you are making, humbly,
that is not a situation where you're not making enough money.
It's a situation where your expenses are out of line
with the money that you make. That's our government today.
We have high salary, high taxes, world, and we have
(11:22):
a spending problem. So I don't know how giving $ 5, 000 back,
which I don't think is going to happen, is in
any way going to make our government better i'm fired
up i mean nobody wants to talk about it buck
if to me the worst legacy of 9-11 is we
were on track to eliminate the entire national debt september
(11:46):
10th of 2001 and then 9-11 happened and if you
want to talk about the most consequential long-term impact of
9-11 I think it was that those terrorists got us
to spend tens of trillions of dollars, much of it wasted,
that has created a long-term financial hole that this country
(12:08):
is going to have a difficult time climbing out of ever.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think that's the reality.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And even, by the way, since 2010, we've added, what
is it, $ 30 trillion in overall debt buckets?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I would just like everyone to note that today it
is Clay who is turning the lights on at the
party and saying that the keg has to be rolled
out and no more fun is allowed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
If you're worried about AI, to me you should be
worried about the things that the humans are deciding to do,
which is drive us $ 40 trillion into debt. If AI
has any sort of panacea out there, it's going to
be that it creates... Such great economic growth that we're
going to grow our way out of the federal deficit
(12:53):
we have built. I don't believe we can tax our
way out of the federal deficit that we have built.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
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Looking for normal in a world of crazy? Clay and
Buck have your back. Welcome back in, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
We are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Buck,
did you see? You can have some fun with a
couple of things. One, since we want to have a
positive story, can we play a little bit of the audio?
I got to give credit to 60 Minutes. They got
the Iranian pilot, that we rescued, the second one that
(15:44):
had to spend over a night, 24 hours plus, on
the ground in Iran. And he told this story yesterday,
and I believe we have a cut of that. And
it was a fantastic story. If you didn't see it,
I would encourage you to go seek it out and watch.
Here's a part of it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Were you able to see the rescue operation of Alpha?
I was.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
What was that like?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Proudest dad moment of my life.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
With apologies to my kids, I was deployed with many
of those men and women on that rescue operation as
part of my unit. I know they build an ethos
around doing extraordinary activities so that others may live, and
to see it firsthand made me incredibly proud of them
and of Americans like them that continue to raise their
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hand and say, here I am, send me.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I think we're going to cut off there a little
bit at the end, but... Did you watch this clip?
I really give credit to Barry Weiss, the team. I
think Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, helped to make
this happen. We had not heard from these individuals at
all yet, and I just thought it was incredibly compelling.
The guy, Buck, hit the ground, they think, between 70
(16:52):
and 100 miles an hour, broke his back, broke, I
believe it was his wrist, had all sorts of injuries.
The fact that he survived and was able to move
after his parachute didn't fully deploy was The fact that
he was able to then go to the top of
that mountain in Iran, hide out, be able to send
a message. It's an extraordinary story. First time we've had
(17:12):
American boots on the ground in Iran, I believe, since 1979.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah. Basically.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, at least, I mean, officially. Yeah. That we know of. Yeah. No,
it's an incredible story.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And yeah, I think at some point they'll make a
movie of it, just like they did with Behind Enemy Lines,
which is kind of an underrated movie.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Owen wilson movie from uh like.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I've never seen it really oh it's pretty good it's
like a good watch gene hackman's in it it's uh
by the way karen i started watching we're halfway through
uh young washington it's great good good yeah yeah very.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Very available on streaming now you can buy.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It prime video yeah you can you can we just
bought it because we want to support it so we
bought it on prime video but uh it was good
i mean it's not mel gibson's the patriot it's not
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
Clay, you want to just give updated numbers on the
budget because you're being Captain Womp Womp today.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Well, I mean, everybody's worried about A.I. and I'm not
opposed to worrying about things that could be better. My
concern is the things that humans do. And we control
our own budget. I'm less concerned about some AI group,
you know, destroying the world like in Terminator. And I'm
way more concerned with the choices that humans make. Here's
(19:29):
what I was talking about. We were talking about the
$ 5, 000 rebate talk from Trump. In 2019, our year budget
as a country was $ 4.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
447 trillion.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Okay. I don't remember anybody out there in 2019 saying, hey,
you know what? Our federal government is not big enough.
hey we need to have a bigger expense on uh
(19:54):
on the table here okay 4.447 trillion in 2019 that
wasn't very long ago 2025 just completed budget seven trillion
dollars okay We have increased spending in our federal government
by 58% just since 2019. So whenever I hear people saying, oh,
(20:17):
we need to raise taxes, oh, we have.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To, we do not have a revenue problem.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I bet most people out there, I bet on average
most people's income has not gone.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Up 58% since 2019. And again, $ 4.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
4 trillion to over $ 7 trillion, a 58% increase in
spending overall. since 2019. You want to be concerned about something.
I think AI pales in comparison to the fact that
we now have a $ 40 trillion budget. And if you
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want me to be optimistic, the only way we're going
to get out of this hole is by growing the
economy fast enough that our revenue increases as a result
of the growth in this country, not by just taking
more money out of the pockets of hardworking Americans that
actually pay federal income taxes.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
With AI, by the way. Yes, that's right. Did I
leave out the AI part?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yes, the AI part of it is that's the only
way that we create such an abundance in productivity gains
that we can essentially grow our way out of a
$ 40 trillion or at least grow it into more manageable numbers.
So there is that. People like to talk about the
debt and almost do anything about the debt. That's been
(21:38):
very clear. This administration is doing nothing about the debt.
That's unfortunately the reality. You can be mad about it.
You can not care about it. That's just a fact.
So that's where we are.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, in fact, actually, we've gone much deeper into debt.
But Trump is saying trillions of dollars of investment are
coming in. So the future looks bright. I hope that
is all where this goes. Trump was asked about Lindsey Clancy,
the Lindsey Clancy case. He's asked about a whole range
of things on that Air Force One podcast. return flight
from Ireland. Here's what he said about that. Play three.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Clancy's attorney last week asked you to pardon her.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Is that under consideration?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I know. It's a very sad situation. I certainly heard that.
But look, it's very sad. There is no winner there.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
There's no win no.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Matter what you do. Three children are dead. So I
don't know. But it's actually a state situation, you know,
not a federal.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It is state, not federal, so he's not going to
weigh in there.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yes, sir. I just think.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Trump being incredibly statesmanlike about the Lindsay Clancy story is
everyone else is losing their minds, right, largely in media
over the Lindsay Clancy case. Trump correctly says it's a
state issue, not a federal case, and just says, yeah,
that's a really awful story and doesn't weigh in at all.
(22:58):
I actually think, again, Trump deserves on the AI front.
It would be very easy for Trump to say, yes,
there's a huge role for the federal government here. Yes,
we have way too many data centers. Yes, he could
speak to a fear that he personally doesn't have and
pretend that he does because it might make sense politically.
He's not willing to do it. He also didn't weigh
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in on a political topic in any way with the
Lindsay Clancy case. He weighs in on a lot of things.
I've never seen him actually say anything at all about
the Lindsay Clancy case, period. He does weigh in on
a lot of pop culture related issues. So anyway, I
just think that story in and of itself, Trump is
showing actually a great deal of restraint on both of
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those that we've talked about today.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Very almost on Trumpian in nature.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Then there was something else from the Lindsay Clancy trial.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You know, the.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Jurors have been coming forward, and it has been a
remarkable effort in the media to tear down the lone holdout,
the guy who would have voted that she was guilty
despite whatever mental illnesses she has, Lindsay Clancy. I think, Clay,
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you were out when it came out that he was black, right?
We haven't discussed this yet.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
We talked about it some on Friday, I believe.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We played the audio of the Gayle King saying, I've
got to process that for a moment. We haven't played
with you ladies who lost their minds over this.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So this has created some challenges for the usual left-wing
voices on this because they're like, well, what am I
supposed to do? We're in the intersectional woke hierarchy. What
does this now mean? But but beyond that, Clay, the
jurors have been the other jurors have been trying to
pull apart this guy's reasoning. I've never seen anything like
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this before, where jurors in a case all pile on
to suggest that there was something.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Like fundamentally.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Almost illicit or like illegal in a sense you know
that that he broke the rule the guy just didn't
agree with them it's pretty straightforward didn't agree with with
their assessment they're saying oh well his reasoning he wasn't
willing to they're speaking for him saying he wasn't willing
to do the following meanwhile they will say things about
their intention on this jury this is juror paula devlin
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who has spoken out here clay listen to what she
had to say play seven We.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Knew that this was a turning point and this would
be something that could change something to make it better
for other women in the future, for other families. You know,
justice for those children is this never happening again.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Clay, this make this a turning point that could make
it better for other women. This case really is the
OJ trial for crazy white liberal women.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yes, that's what I would build on the black juror
who refused to vote to convict. They're now tearing him
to shreds and going into all of his past life
challenges and criticizing him more significantly for comparatively far less
serious issues that he has had than they're willing to
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do for Lindsey Clancy. And this is where I would
get on a soapbox in general. If you are a juror.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
You do not choose to be a juror. Buck, you've
had to do jury duty. I've had to do jury duty.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
A bunch of you out there at some point in
time are going to get called to jury duty and
you may or may not ever have to sit on
a trial. The idea that because you happen.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
To get called for jury duty.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
If you render a decision that makes people unhappy, that
you then would become a public figure and people would
rip you to shreds is the antithesis of what should
happen to jurors. You have not voluntarily chosen to interject
yourself into the larger public discourse. You are doing your
civic duty, responding to a summons, and I actually think
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this encourages a lot of people to not be willing
to serve on juries because of the degree to which
they're going to get ripped to shreds. Now, I'm going
to be honest with you. I can't think personally of
something worse than having to sit on a jury for
over a month. And sit in a courtroom and listen
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to all of the all of the arguments being made.
I've been for jury duty once. I got knocked out.
They removed me because I was a lawyer. Oftentimes lawyers
get removed because they're concerned that you might be too
influential on.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
A jury panel. and things like that.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
They would definitely think Clay Travis is too opinionated, I think,
to be on the jury. And same thing about Buck Sexton.
I don't think they'd think that we would just sit
there and hang out.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And to be fair, we are public figures, so people
can rip to shreds any opinion that we have under
the sun, and that's the way the marketplace of ideas works.
But if you are not a public figure and the
vast majority of you out there listening to us right
now or not, I don't think if you got on
a jury that your entire life history should be dissected
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by media that are going to rip you to shreds
because you happen to have a verdict that others disagree with.
And by the way, I would say that for any juror,
even some that I disagree with. Now, if you choose
to speak out publicly, that's different. To my knowledge, correct
me if I'm wrong, Buck, this guy has not said
a public word since the jury ended, and yet I
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saw headlines all weekend talking about, oh, he had child
support payments outstanding, or 25 years ago there was a
police investigation into his behavior. I mean, this guy didn't
ask for any of this, and the only reason he's
getting any of these stories, Buck, is because he refused
to allow her to be not guilty and get off.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
If he had voted yes.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
If he had said, yes, she's not guilty by reason
of insanity, there would have never been a negative word
written about him.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
What would be a fascinating study, I think, would be
to look at the crossover for women who were taking
a very sympathetic pro-Lindsey, Clancy view in all this and
women who were big fans of Dr. Fauci and lockdowns
and masking up.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I would bet the.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Crossover would be in would be staggeringly direct. And and
you would see that there's something going on here.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I will say this. We have some fun with this tomorrow.
I would bet the women who are criticizing Sidney Sweeney
for being too sexy in ads are I bet completely
overlap with the women who are defending Lindsay Clancy for
killing her kids. I don't know how many people are
going to draw that connection. If you haven't seen it,
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Sidney Sweeney did a sexy ad for a sports gambling
company of her posing in not very many clothes, as
one does. and it has gone viral, and now there
is a backlash, people saying, oh, this is demeaning to
women and everything else. You know what's demeaning to women?
Saying you should be able to kill your kids and
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not have any consequences for it. Being pretty and using
sex to sell products, I'm going to be honest with you,
it's always existed.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It always will.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
And I just think it's smart business. There's a reason
why beauty attracts attention and why beauty sells products. They
tried to do the androgynous chicks in bathing suits and
sports bras or whatever move. And it backfired because nobody
wants to look like that. This is true of all
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of life, right? Movie stars are good looking.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Why?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Because we don't want to watch ugly people fall in love.
I mean, it's kind of an indictment. People want to
see themselves. think that they're better looking I'm not an
underwear model if I were it would be the worst
underwear advertisement of all time no guy's gonna be like
I want to look like Clay Travis let me let
me go buy whatever underwear Clay's wearing and they tried
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to tell us that oh you know beauty is just
some made-up standard and it doesn't have any basis in
biological reality and All of it was a lie, and
it just frustrates me.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But I would bet, Buck, that there is a direct overlap.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The women who defended Lindsay Clancy for murdering her children
are also upset that Sydney Sweeney is too sexy and
selling sports as a result. I would almost guarantee you
that that overlap is real. And yet it defies ready political.
I mean, it's mostly libs, but it's not all libs
that were supporting Lindsay Clancy, right? So there's something else.
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There's some other connective tissue here. My dark take, my
dark take is way more women have thought about killing
their kids. And that is why they are sympathetic and
empathetic to Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You're really taking us back to the darkest place we've
probably ever been on the show.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Clay, you're really right. I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Only thing that explains like, I don't, No man out
there has empathy for men who have ever killed their families.
It does not exist. There's never been a point in
time where a dad has said, hey, you know what?
I kind of understand why that dad just totally killed
his whole family. Let me go stand outside the courtroom
and support him. Because men don't do this. Darkly, I
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think that might be the reason.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well, I have to talk to you about another dark
place here for a second, but this is one you
can do something about. Police officers in Wisconsin arrested a
28-year-old Michigan man last month for stalking a woman he
didn't know. According to authorities, he found her on multiple
social media platforms, sent threatening messages, and obtained her phone
number and home address. He was driving toward her home
when officers arrested him without incident. He was charged with
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stalking and disorderly conduct. It's remarkable how quickly this all
transpired and how easily this guy, this stalker, found all
of her personal info. But hundreds of databases have that
info online. Data brokers sell it. They sell your info.
It is there for not just lunatics but also scammers
to access and to use against you. This is why
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Speaker 4 (34:08):
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You will find us on YouTube. You can watch the
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we have the rush? We'll play Rush tomorrow. He was
actually very much of a tech optimist. In particular, loved
his iPhone and how much of a difference it made
for him. I am on my phone. researching, if you
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watch on video, I know, Buck, you've got a laptop
in front of you. I do everything off my phone.
So the ad reads that we have, the fact checks
that we have, I'm on this phone all day making
sure that we're on top of all of the news.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It makes my life tremendously better.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Buck, back in the day, it used to be the
case that a lot of, I'll give you an example,
Sports Talker Radio was just guys with incredible memories. They
could tell you who played on second base in 1986.
For any team across Major League Baseball, that's just the
way their brains worked. And looking up information used to
be incredibly difficult. When I started doing sports talk radio,
it was hard. You would have to work to make
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sure that you got your facts right. It's amazing how
easy it is. I think it makes the overall conversation better.
I think for this show, the fact that you and
I in a palm of our hand can immediately fact
check anything and be able to make sure that we're
on top of everything that is happening in real time.
I think it makes the live radio more valuable than
it ever has been before. But it also allows us
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to be more accurate, ensuring that the facts upon which
we are basing our arguments are in fact rooted in truth.
So the arguments themselves are stronger than they otherwise might be.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I do a lot of tech stuff during the show,
so I find it incredibly valuable.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
And we'll talk more about this.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And look, it's also fun because Clay and I will
be educating ourselves on AI as we go and hearing
from you.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And, you know, this is exciting new stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And, you know, we're not just sitting here arguing about
the debt for another 40 years.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
We've got to grow our way out of it with AI.
I do think that is the only way that we
could ever start to reverse the debt at this point.
We have a spending problem. So we will talk more
about all of that. And also we'll dial in this
week directly to the midterms looking at what's going to
happen there. Trump putting his full weight into it. We'll
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talk about it on Clay and Buck. Stick around for that.
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Appreciate
you all being with us, my friends, as always. And
some stuff to talk about with the midterms coming up.
Wanted to get into that. We've got also Trump reactions
on a whole range of things. But first up, I
want to say we had J.D. Vance just moments ago
(00:23):
in the last hour.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He was talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, Exactly what we were talking about during that hour,
which was AI and tech regulation and that. Remember, I
read you that thread, Clay. I think that X thread
got to 120.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Million views or something like that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
One of the most read posts on X, I would
have to assume, ever. I've very rarely seen it get
to that number. And that got a lot of attention
and other people now have been weighing in on the
heads of these different companies. And, you know, there's OpenAI
and there's Anthropic and there's Claude and there's XAI and
there's all these companies.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And here is J.D. Vance.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
On this exact issue, and it is cut 18.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Play it. There are obviously risks to AI.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
There are some benefits to AI.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I have to say, just personally, I feel a little
bit weird about the.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Fact that you have so many frontier AI tech companies
kind of humming to the government and begging the government
to regulate them. It feels a little bit, to me,
like a bit of a Trojan horse. So I think
we just have to be careful about this. The other
thing the president said pretty consistently is we know that
the Chinese are engaged in this long-term AI race against
the United States. We want to make sure the United States,
we do things smartly, but we stay ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Clay, two pieces there.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
The companies coming forward, the AI companies, and then the
China piece of this. We've talked a bit already about
the China piece, but on the companies coming forward, I
would just say to.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Me, There are only two real reasons they would do this. One.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
is the social credit virtue signaling attention of like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Warning everybody about this. They're not going to stop it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So the warning is, this is like, this is like,
you know, this is like the famous actors going around
warning about climate change, flying in their private jets. Like
you don't really think that's going to happen because you
don't really care. So I don't think that, so that's
one possibility. The other is more of an anti-competitive, maybe
collusive or collusion based thing. corporatist argument which is hey
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we need to lock in that we are the ais
that the government is essentially going to be working with
and allowing and we don't want some upstarts out there
because remember we're just talking about tech we're talking about
compute how do you because i i see two pieces
of this do you see two pieces or you think
it's really just the second one where do you come
down on this.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think there's two pieces.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
One is China is manipulating much of American political thought
and they're doing it by going after data centers.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And now they're going after AI. And I think we're
getting played.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The second part is if you see that regulation is coming,
you can either fight it aggressively or you can recognize
that if you have a major competitive advantage and you
have created a moat, around your business, the government coming
in and regulating something usually just means whoever the winners are,
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that industry is then frozen in place and you don't
have to worry about the proverbial upstart stealing your advantage.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Big government and big business tend to love each other.
They tend to go together like peas and carrots.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So that is my thought in general as to what
we are seeing here. I am very skeptical. You remember
back in the day, I don't know, they decided that
Br'er Rabbit was offensive. They took down Splash Mountain and
they replaced it with Tiana's Bayou at Disney World and Disneyland.
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Star of Splash Mountain was Br'er Rabbit. For those of
you who grew up reading or being exposed at all
to the Br'er Rabbit stories, I think it was Joel
Chandler Harris was a former slave who had basically taken
Br'er Rabbit and the witticisms. They were old plantation tales.
And Br'er Rabbit, one of the Br'er Rabbit most famous,
(04:34):
I would say, stories was he begs to be, he says,
please don't throw me in the briar patch. Whatever you do,
don't throw me in the briar patch. I'll never be able.
He's captured. He's in trouble. They throw him into a
briar patch. Rabbits love briar patches. They couldn't be more
happy there. Whenever I see an industry screaming for regulation.
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I think about Br'er Rabbit or even fighting regulation a
little bit. I think about Br'er Rabbit. They want the
government involved because that briar patch means that they're protected.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They're in there. They're going to be fine.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So I think everybody out there just needs to be skeptical.
And this is one where I think Trump deserves a
lot of credit.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
The easiest thing for any politician to do, and J.D. Vance,
who we just played, the easiest thing for any politician
to do is lean into politics. Fear that is emanating
out there in the electorate, because if you speak back
and you say, well, let me explain why that fear
is wrong in the era in which we live, you
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are not validating the emotion. One of the worst things
that has ever happened is Bill Clinton saying, I feel
your pain. Because it set in place the idea that politicians,
to me, Buck, I don't know if you buy this,
that politicians, it used to be politicians were like the.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Dad in the family.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The reason why I like Ron Johnson so much, Senator
from Wisconsin. is when he talks about the money we're spending,
he is dad whose daughter or son comes home from college,
and you sit down there in the kitchen table, and
he's just like... Tell me how you spent $ 400 on
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shoes last month. And, you know, son or daughter or
whatever is just like, well, you know, it's just, it's
the pain in his voice as he goes through all
of the details. I want leaders who aren't telling me,
you're right to feel sad. You're right to feel uncomfortable.
I want leaders who are going to say, listen, This
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is what's going on. This is what matters. I want
the leader of the country to be a dad who's
just uncomfortable with the budget.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
There's a lot of these guys, right? Rand Paul.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Rand Paul is the doctor who, when you're in with him,
he's not the doctor who's going to sugarcoat things.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He's like... you're making some really bad choices.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Rand Paul is a doctor who's like, you got to
put down the peanut butter M & Ms.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
You're not going to last, buddy. You know, that's kind of,
he's not like, Hey, I want to feel your pain.
He's like, you're eating way too many sweets, buddy. You
way too much. Like, let's talk about this. I think
that it's easy to lean in on the fear. And
I think a lot of politicians are, and I think
you guys have to be smarter and understand what's going
on here. I think AI is a net positive and
it doesn't mean everything's perfect, but, You should be skeptical
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when you're hearing a lot of Democrats. When Bernie Sanders
is saying we should stop this industry from existing anymore,
your antenna should go up and you should be saying,
what has Bernie Sanders been right about ever?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Speaking of skepticism, some are expressing skepticism at Trump's $ 5, 000
Trump check idea, right? These $ 5, 000 payments that will go out.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Trump addressed this.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
From Air Force One to the press, this is cut to,
here is what the commander-in-chief said.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The $ 5, 000.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Debt is going forward, and that's because we're taking in
so much money in so different ways.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Including the tariff.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Is there a plan exactly how.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
We're going to pay for that?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, I know exactly how.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We're going to pay for it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You know, it's interesting on that, because everybody says that
the great.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Big, beautiful bill will never happen.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They said that the $ 1, 776 for the military, $ 1, 776 would
never happen. And it happened. They were paid. And now
they say, oh, the $ 5, 000.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
The $ 5, 000 is going to happen 100%.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And the reason is because.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Our country is taking in trillions and.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Trillions of dollars. And it's going to happen because the
people deserve.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It because they were treated so badly by the Democrats
and by Biden. I will tell you this, Clay, and
I could be wrong, but I saw you were out,
I think, the day that he announced this. It was
last week. You were traveling. And I addressed this. And
my sense is Even for the most ardent Trump supporter,
(09:05):
their attitude about this is, I love him, I want
to win the midterms, I love that he's optimistic, but
they don't think he's actually, this is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I could be wrong, but I don't think, I was
getting people that were writing in or calling in, Clay,
and they were saying, I love Trump, I'm with him 100%,
but this is him being a little salesman-ish.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
If you will. I don't disagree.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I mean, I said in the first hour that I
think regardless of who wins the Senate and the House,
almost nothing is going to get done over the next
two years. I am not optimistic. Democrats are going to
sit around and obstruct everything they can because they know
Trump is out of office in January of twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We know already.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
That Republicans have been skeptical about many of Trump's top policies.
So and prescriptions for things that need to happen. The
SAVE Act is a great example, even when 80 percent
of Americans want vaccines. election law rules codified, they can't
do it. And so my concern is that whether it's
(10:14):
a $ 5, 000 rebate, and you all know that I am
frustrated beyond word with the amount of money that we
are spending. We do not have a revenue problem. We
have an expense problem in this country. And until we
have a real conversation about the fact that basically the budget,
what is the budget of 60% bucks since 2020? The
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amount of money that we are spending in 2026 compared
to 2020, I'll grok it during the break here and
see just exactly how much, but I think we're up
around 60% in overall spending. We cannot tax our way
into a balanced budget at this point in time. We
have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. If you're
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making $ 250, 000 a year in America.
And you are spending more than you are making, humbly,
that is not a situation where you're not making enough money.
It's a situation where your expenses are out of line
with the money that you make. That's our government today.
We have high salary, high taxes, world, and we have
(11:22):
a spending problem. So I don't know how giving $ 5, 000 back,
which I don't think is going to happen, is in
any way going to make our government better i'm fired
up i mean nobody wants to talk about it buck
if to me the worst legacy of 9-11 is we
were on track to eliminate the entire national debt september
(11:46):
10th of 2001 and then 9-11 happened and if you
want to talk about the most consequential long-term impact of
9-11 I think it was that those terrorists got us
to spend tens of trillions of dollars, much of it wasted,
that has created a long-term financial hole that this country
(12:08):
is going to have a difficult time climbing out of ever.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think that's the reality.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And even, by the way, since 2010, we've added, what
is it, $ 30 trillion in overall debt buckets?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I would just like everyone to note that today it
is Clay who is turning the lights on at the
party and saying that the keg has to be rolled
out and no more fun is allowed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
If you're worried about AI, to me you should be
worried about the things that the humans are deciding to do,
which is drive us $ 40 trillion into debt. If AI
has any sort of panacea out there, it's going to
be that it creates... Such great economic growth that we're
going to grow our way out of the federal deficit
(12:53):
we have built. I don't believe we can tax our
way out of the federal deficit that we have built.
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Buck have your back. Welcome back in, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
We are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Buck,
did you see? You can have some fun with a
couple of things. One, since we want to have a
positive story, can we play a little bit of the audio?
I got to give credit to 60 Minutes. They got
the Iranian pilot, that we rescued, the second one that
(15:44):
had to spend over a night, 24 hours plus, on
the ground in Iran. And he told this story yesterday,
and I believe we have a cut of that. And
it was a fantastic story. If you didn't see it,
I would encourage you to go seek it out and watch.
Here's a part of it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Were you able to see the rescue operation of Alpha?
I was.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
What was that like?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Proudest dad moment of my life.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
With apologies to my kids, I was deployed with many
of those men and women on that rescue operation as
part of my unit. I know they build an ethos
around doing extraordinary activities so that others may live, and
to see it firsthand made me incredibly proud of them
and of Americans like them that continue to raise their
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hand and say, here I am, send me.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I think we're going to cut off there a little
bit at the end, but... Did you watch this clip?
I really give credit to Barry Weiss, the team. I
think Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, helped to make
this happen. We had not heard from these individuals at
all yet, and I just thought it was incredibly compelling.
The guy, Buck, hit the ground, they think, between 70
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and 100 miles an hour, broke his back, broke, I
believe it was his wrist, had all sorts of injuries.
The fact that he survived and was able to move
after his parachute didn't fully deploy was The fact that
he was able to then go to the top of
that mountain in Iran, hide out, be able to send
a message. It's an extraordinary story. First time we've had
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American boots on the ground in Iran, I believe, since 1979.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah. Basically.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, at least, I mean, officially. Yeah. That we know of. Yeah. No,
it's an incredible story.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And yeah, I think at some point they'll make a
movie of it, just like they did with Behind Enemy Lines,
which is kind of an underrated movie.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Owen wilson movie from uh like.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I've never seen it really oh it's pretty good it's
like a good watch gene hackman's in it it's uh
by the way karen i started watching we're halfway through
uh young washington it's great good good yeah yeah very.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Very available on streaming now you can buy.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It prime video yeah you can you can we just
bought it because we want to support it so we
bought it on prime video but uh it was good
i mean it's not mel gibson's the patriot it's not
like a huge epic like that but it's a good
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Clay, you want to just give updated numbers on the
budget because you're being Captain Womp Womp today.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Well, I mean, everybody's worried about A.I. and I'm not
opposed to worrying about things that could be better. My
concern is the things that humans do. And we control
our own budget. I'm less concerned about some AI group,
you know, destroying the world like in Terminator. And I'm
way more concerned with the choices that humans make. Here's
(19:29):
what I was talking about. We were talking about the
$ 5, 000 rebate talk from Trump. In 2019, our year budget
as a country was $ 4.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
447 trillion.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Okay. I don't remember anybody out there in 2019 saying, hey,
you know what? Our federal government is not big enough.
hey we need to have a bigger expense on uh
(19:54):
on the table here okay 4.447 trillion in 2019 that
wasn't very long ago 2025 just completed budget seven trillion
dollars okay We have increased spending in our federal government
by 58% just since 2019. So whenever I hear people saying, oh,
(20:17):
we need to raise taxes, oh, we have.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To, we do not have a revenue problem.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I bet most people out there, I bet on average
most people's income has not gone.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Up 58% since 2019. And again, $ 4.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
4 trillion to over $ 7 trillion, a 58% increase in
spending overall. since 2019. You want to be concerned about something.
I think AI pales in comparison to the fact that
we now have a $ 40 trillion budget. And if you
(20:52):
want me to be optimistic, the only way we're going
to get out of this hole is by growing the
economy fast enough that our revenue increases as a result
of the growth in this country, not by just taking
more money out of the pockets of hardworking Americans that
actually pay federal income taxes.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
With AI, by the way. Yes, that's right. Did I
leave out the AI part?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yes, the AI part of it is that's the only
way that we create such an abundance in productivity gains
that we can essentially grow our way out of a
$ 40 trillion or at least grow it into more manageable numbers.
So there is that. People like to talk about the
debt and almost do anything about the debt. That's been
(21:38):
very clear. This administration is doing nothing about the debt.
That's unfortunately the reality. You can be mad about it.
You can not care about it. That's just a fact.
So that's where we are.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, in fact, actually, we've gone much deeper into debt.
But Trump is saying trillions of dollars of investment are
coming in. So the future looks bright. I hope that
is all where this goes. Trump was asked about Lindsey Clancy,
the Lindsey Clancy case. He's asked about a whole range
of things on that Air Force One podcast. return flight
from Ireland. Here's what he said about that. Play three.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Clancy's attorney last week asked you to pardon her.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Is that under consideration?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I know. It's a very sad situation. I certainly heard that.
But look, it's very sad. There is no winner there.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
There's no win no.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Matter what you do. Three children are dead. So I
don't know. But it's actually a state situation, you know,
not a federal.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It is state, not federal, so he's not going to
weigh in there.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yes, sir. I just think.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Trump being incredibly statesmanlike about the Lindsay Clancy story is
everyone else is losing their minds, right, largely in media
over the Lindsay Clancy case. Trump correctly says it's a
state issue, not a federal case, and just says, yeah,
that's a really awful story and doesn't weigh in at all.
(22:58):
I actually think, again, Trump deserves on the AI front.
It would be very easy for Trump to say, yes,
there's a huge role for the federal government here. Yes,
we have way too many data centers. Yes, he could
speak to a fear that he personally doesn't have and
pretend that he does because it might make sense politically.
He's not willing to do it. He also didn't weigh
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in on a political topic in any way with the
Lindsay Clancy case. He weighs in on a lot of things.
I've never seen him actually say anything at all about
the Lindsay Clancy case, period. He does weigh in on
a lot of pop culture related issues. So anyway, I
just think that story in and of itself, Trump is
showing actually a great deal of restraint on both of
(23:42):
those that we've talked about today.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Very almost on Trumpian in nature.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Then there was something else from the Lindsay Clancy trial.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You know, the.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Jurors have been coming forward, and it has been a
remarkable effort in the media to tear down the lone holdout,
the guy who would have voted that she was guilty
despite whatever mental illnesses she has, Lindsay Clancy. I think, Clay,
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you were out when it came out that he was black, right?
We haven't discussed this yet.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
We talked about it some on Friday, I believe.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We played the audio of the Gayle King saying, I've
got to process that for a moment. We haven't played
with you ladies who lost their minds over this.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So this has created some challenges for the usual left-wing
voices on this because they're like, well, what am I
supposed to do? We're in the intersectional woke hierarchy. What
does this now mean? But but beyond that, Clay, the
jurors have been the other jurors have been trying to
pull apart this guy's reasoning. I've never seen anything like
(24:48):
this before, where jurors in a case all pile on
to suggest that there was something.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Like fundamentally.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Almost illicit or like illegal in a sense you know
that that he broke the rule the guy just didn't
agree with them it's pretty straightforward didn't agree with with
their assessment they're saying oh well his reasoning he wasn't
willing to they're speaking for him saying he wasn't willing
to do the following meanwhile they will say things about
their intention on this jury this is juror paula devlin
(25:20):
who has spoken out here clay listen to what she
had to say play seven We.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Knew that this was a turning point and this would
be something that could change something to make it better
for other women in the future, for other families. You know,
justice for those children is this never happening again.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Clay, this make this a turning point that could make
it better for other women. This case really is the
OJ trial for crazy white liberal women.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yes, that's what I would build on the black juror
who refused to vote to convict. They're now tearing him
to shreds and going into all of his past life
challenges and criticizing him more significantly for comparatively far less
serious issues that he has had than they're willing to
(26:13):
do for Lindsey Clancy. And this is where I would
get on a soapbox in general. If you are a juror.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
You do not choose to be a juror. Buck, you've
had to do jury duty. I've had to do jury duty.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
A bunch of you out there at some point in
time are going to get called to jury duty and
you may or may not ever have to sit on
a trial. The idea that because you happen.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
To get called for jury duty.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
If you render a decision that makes people unhappy, that
you then would become a public figure and people would
rip you to shreds is the antithesis of what should
happen to jurors. You have not voluntarily chosen to interject
yourself into the larger public discourse. You are doing your
civic duty, responding to a summons, and I actually think
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this encourages a lot of people to not be willing
to serve on juries because of the degree to which
they're going to get ripped to shreds. Now, I'm going
to be honest with you. I can't think personally of
something worse than having to sit on a jury for
over a month. And sit in a courtroom and listen
(27:24):
to all of the all of the arguments being made.
I've been for jury duty once. I got knocked out.
They removed me because I was a lawyer. Oftentimes lawyers
get removed because they're concerned that you might be too
influential on.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
A jury panel. and things like that.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
They would definitely think Clay Travis is too opinionated, I think,
to be on the jury. And same thing about Buck Sexton.
I don't think they'd think that we would just sit
there and hang out.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And to be fair, we are public figures, so people
can rip to shreds any opinion that we have under
the sun, and that's the way the marketplace of ideas works.
But if you are not a public figure and the
vast majority of you out there listening to us right
now or not, I don't think if you got on
a jury that your entire life history should be dissected
(28:10):
by media that are going to rip you to shreds
because you happen to have a verdict that others disagree with.
And by the way, I would say that for any juror,
even some that I disagree with. Now, if you choose
to speak out publicly, that's different. To my knowledge, correct
me if I'm wrong, Buck, this guy has not said
a public word since the jury ended, and yet I
(28:30):
saw headlines all weekend talking about, oh, he had child
support payments outstanding, or 25 years ago there was a
police investigation into his behavior. I mean, this guy didn't
ask for any of this, and the only reason he's
getting any of these stories, Buck, is because he refused
to allow her to be not guilty and get off.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
If he had voted yes.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
If he had said, yes, she's not guilty by reason
of insanity, there would have never been a negative word
written about him.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
What would be a fascinating study, I think, would be
to look at the crossover for women who were taking
a very sympathetic pro-Lindsey, Clancy view in all this and
women who were big fans of Dr. Fauci and lockdowns
and masking up.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I would bet the.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Crossover would be in would be staggeringly direct. And and
you would see that there's something going on here.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I will say this. We have some fun with this tomorrow.
I would bet the women who are criticizing Sidney Sweeney
for being too sexy in ads are I bet completely
overlap with the women who are defending Lindsay Clancy for
killing her kids. I don't know how many people are
going to draw that connection. If you haven't seen it,
(29:51):
Sidney Sweeney did a sexy ad for a sports gambling
company of her posing in not very many clothes, as
one does. and it has gone viral, and now there
is a backlash, people saying, oh, this is demeaning to
women and everything else. You know what's demeaning to women?
Saying you should be able to kill your kids and
(30:11):
not have any consequences for it. Being pretty and using
sex to sell products, I'm going to be honest with you,
it's always existed.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It always will.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
And I just think it's smart business. There's a reason
why beauty attracts attention and why beauty sells products. They
tried to do the androgynous chicks in bathing suits and
sports bras or whatever move. And it backfired because nobody
wants to look like that. This is true of all
(30:43):
of life, right? Movie stars are good looking.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Why?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Because we don't want to watch ugly people fall in love.
I mean, it's kind of an indictment. People want to
see themselves. think that they're better looking I'm not an
underwear model if I were it would be the worst
underwear advertisement of all time no guy's gonna be like
I want to look like Clay Travis let me let
me go buy whatever underwear Clay's wearing and they tried
(31:07):
to tell us that oh you know beauty is just
some made-up standard and it doesn't have any basis in
biological reality and All of it was a lie, and
it just frustrates me.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But I would bet, Buck, that there is a direct overlap.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The women who defended Lindsay Clancy for murdering her children
are also upset that Sydney Sweeney is too sexy and
selling sports as a result. I would almost guarantee you
that that overlap is real. And yet it defies ready political.
I mean, it's mostly libs, but it's not all libs
that were supporting Lindsay Clancy, right? So there's something else.
(31:43):
There's some other connective tissue here. My dark take, my
dark take is way more women have thought about killing
their kids. And that is why they are sympathetic and
empathetic to Lindsay Clancy.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You're really taking us back to the darkest place we've
probably ever been on the show.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Clay, you're really right. I think that's the.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Only thing that explains like, I don't, No man out
there has empathy for men who have ever killed their families.
It does not exist. There's never been a point in
time where a dad has said, hey, you know what?
I kind of understand why that dad just totally killed
his whole family. Let me go stand outside the courtroom
and support him. Because men don't do this. Darkly, I
(32:24):
think that might be the reason.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well, I have to talk to you about another dark
place here for a second, but this is one you
can do something about. Police officers in Wisconsin arrested a
28-year-old Michigan man last month for stalking a woman he
didn't know. According to authorities, he found her on multiple
social media platforms, sent threatening messages, and obtained her phone
number and home address. He was driving toward her home
when officers arrested him without incident. He was charged with
(32:46):
stalking and disorderly conduct. It's remarkable how quickly this all
transpired and how easily this guy, this stalker, found all
of her personal info. But hundreds of databases have that
info online. Data brokers sell it. They sell your info.
It is there for not just lunatics but also scammers
to access and to use against you. This is why
(33:06):
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Speaker 2 (34:03):
Every day for your listening pleasure Welcome back in, Clay
and Buck.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
We are closing up shop on the Monday edition of
the program. Encourage you to go subscribe to our YouTube channel.
Over 150,000 of you are now subscribed there. That's a
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Speaker 4 (34:37):
You will find us on YouTube. You can watch the
show every single day live. And if you're wondering, do
we have the rush? We'll play Rush tomorrow. He was
actually very much of a tech optimist. In particular, loved
his iPhone and how much of a difference it made
for him. I am on my phone. researching, if you
(34:58):
watch on video, I know, Buck, you've got a laptop
in front of you. I do everything off my phone.
So the ad reads that we have, the fact checks
that we have, I'm on this phone all day making
sure that we're on top of all of the news.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It makes my life tremendously better.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Buck, back in the day, it used to be the
case that a lot of, I'll give you an example,
Sports Talker Radio was just guys with incredible memories. They
could tell you who played on second base in 1986.
For any team across Major League Baseball, that's just the
way their brains worked. And looking up information used to
be incredibly difficult. When I started doing sports talk radio,
it was hard. You would have to work to make
(35:33):
sure that you got your facts right. It's amazing how
easy it is. I think it makes the overall conversation better.
I think for this show, the fact that you and
I in a palm of our hand can immediately fact
check anything and be able to make sure that we're
on top of everything that is happening in real time.
I think it makes the live radio more valuable than
it ever has been before. But it also allows us
(35:55):
to be more accurate, ensuring that the facts upon which
we are basing our arguments are in fact rooted in truth.
So the arguments themselves are stronger than they otherwise might be.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I do a lot of tech stuff during the show,
so I find it incredibly valuable.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
And we'll talk more about this.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And look, it's also fun because Clay and I will
be educating ourselves on AI as we go and hearing
from you.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And, you know, this is exciting new stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And, you know, we're not just sitting here arguing about
the debt for another 40 years.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
We've got to grow our way out of it with AI.
I do think that is the only way that we
could ever start to reverse the debt at this point.
We have a spending problem. So we will talk more
about all of that. And also we'll dial in this
week directly to the midterms looking at what's going to
happen there. Trump putting his full weight into it. We'll
(36:53):
talk about it on Clay and Buck. Stick around for that.
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