April 15, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is anchored by an extended interview with Congresswoman Elise Stefanik of New York, blending sharp political analysis, higher education controversy, tax policy, and cultural flashpoints. The hour opens with Stefanik reacting to what Clay and Buck describe as failed progressive governance in New York, including rising taxes, population outmigration, and Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s proposed government‑run grocery store. Stefanik argues that single‑party Democratic rule and socialist policy ideas have driven businesses and taxpayers out of the state, warning that additional taxes on high earners and second‑home owners will further erode New York’s tax base while doing little to help working families.
A core focus of Hour 3 is Stefanik’s new book, Poisoned Ivys: The Inside Account of the Academic and Moral Rot at America’s Elite Universities. She recounts the widely viewed congressional hearing involving Ivy League university presidents after the October 7 Hamas attacks, detailing what she calls a systemic failure to confront antisemitism, radical ideology, and foreign influence at elite colleges. Stefanik and the hosts discuss how schools like Harvard, Columbia, and Penn have lost public trust, while universities such as Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, and the University of Florida are seeing surging applications by enforcing rules, prioritizing academic excellence, and rejecting campus extremism. The conversation frames this shift as a major realignment in higher education, with parents and students “voting with their feet” away from politicized Ivy League campuses.
Later in Hour 3, Clay summarizes highlights from a White House Tax Day briefing, emphasizing Trump-era tax cuts, historically large average tax refunds, and administration claims that millions of Americans are keeping more of their own money. The discussion broadens into a larger debate about fairness in the U.S. tax system, with Clay citing IRS data to argue that high earners already pay a disproportionate share of federal income taxes. Listener calls reinforce the theme, with multiple small business owners and individuals describing significantly lower tax bills and refunds they plan to reinvest into the economy.
The final segment of Hour 3 pivots to cultural and social issues, led by a powerful caller from California detailing the ongoing controversy surrounding transgender athletes competing in girls’ high school sports. Clay argues the issue is fundamentally about fairness, comparing it to age restrictions in youth athletics, and criticizes state officials for ignoring parental concerns. The hour wraps with lighter listener talkbacks on everyday frustrations—smart appliances, household technology, and even forks versus chopsticks—underscoring the show’s mix of hard politics, culture wars, and listener-driven commentary.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This third hour of Clay and Buck kicksoff. Now we
are joined by Congresswoman out of the Great State of
New York at least, Stephonic. She also has a new
book out, Poisoned IVS, the inside account of the academic
and moral rock at America's elite universities, just came out yesterday.
Congress Woman, great to have you, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Great to be with you, guys. I've been looking forward
to this.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know, I am a New Yorker, I think forever,
because I lived there for so many years, born and raised,
and so I'm always caught between loving the Empire State
and particularly New York City, and also watching from afar
as it's turned into such a mess. So with that
in mind, we're going to get to your book in
just a second. But we were just talking about mom
(00:46):
Donnie's grocery store in New York and how this is
just emblematic of another bad idea that's going to cost
money not help people who could use some financial relief.
What does he really not know that this is going
to be a mess. How is Kathy Hochel so incompetent?
I have a lot of questions Congresswoman.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We have a lot to cover because the rot is
so deep in New York when you have a state
that single party Democrat rule and the Socialist Party has
hijacked today's Democrat party in New York and Franklin nationwide, Today,
on tax Day, as Americans are filing their taxes, and
particularly in a high tax state like New York, what
does Kathy Hokill do. She breaks her promise and says, oh,
(01:27):
she's gonna raise taxes higher, further forcing people to run
away from New York, further forcing businesses out. And this
is because she is beholden to the Socialist On top
of that, you have Mom Donnie, who is celebrating his
first one hundred days where he couldn't shovel snow off
the streets, where he has been embroiled in huge political
fights with the New York City Council, which is controlled
(01:50):
by Democrats, and he put forth this grocery store plan
that's going to cost the taxpayers thirty million dollars. But
the kicker is they're not going to open un till
twenty twenty nine, which highlights this socialist insanity. You know,
if we were to rely on government grocery stores, there
would be hunger lines out the door. It is a
total abuse of taxpayer dollars. And frankly, thank goodness for
(02:13):
the free market in New York State that we have
had that built up the city of New York that
is crumbling under failed socialist leadership.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
We're talking to Elis Stefanik. You certainly saw and heard
when Kathy Hokel told former New Yorkers like Buck, just
moved to Florida, then the tax returned.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So I did. I couldn't disobey Kathy, I said, fine, Kathy,
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So the tax returns have collapsed as many people Buck,
Sean Hannity, even just in this radio world, have decided
to go from New York to Florida. And now she's
begging Floridians to come back to New York. Meanwhile, they're
talking about added taxes on second homes. I believe it
is the correct that the budget for the City of
(02:58):
New York is bigger than the entire buy for all
of Florida. How much of this is just complete mismanagement,
and how much is pushing out the people who actually
pay the taxes blowing up in the face of Democrats
like Mam Donnie and Hochel.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It is total mismanagement. And this is what happens when
you have single party rule. Democrats in the state of
New York control the state Senate, control the Assembly, control
the governor's office as well as New York City. And
it's not just a Democrat in New York City. It's
a socialist as we know in Mam Donnie and you know,
Kathy Hochle and other Democrats have liked to say, oh,
it's because of the weather. That's nonsense. It's because of
(03:35):
the policies. And she encouraged people to leave this great
state of New York. And of course now they're begging
them to come back. But newsflash, they're not coming back.
It's going to be higher and higher taxes under single
party Democrat rule. I've been proud to be the leading
Republican fighting against this and frankly in this tax bill.
And people can quibble about this, but I represent New Yorkers.
(03:56):
I raised that state and local tax deduction, which for
a high tax state like New York, I needed to
deliver a tax cut from my constituents, and I did.
And that's something that the Democrats never will even consider.
They're never going to consider cutting taxes. And if you
look at Florida, a higher population, the entire the budget
of medicaid in New York State is more than the
(04:16):
entire budget of Florida. It is totally mismanaged in a disaster.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
All right, we're talking to congresswoman at least defonic from
New York. I still love you New York, but you
have to stop being insane. But there are many New
Yorkers who feel the same way, Congressomen who are listening
right now, and they're sticking it out. So I respect that,
and you were one of them. You still have to
live there too. So we got a book, though. Let's
talk about your book for a second. Poisoned Ives the
inside account of the academic and moral rot at America's
(04:43):
elite universities Poisoned ivies for short. You guys can go
get on an Amazon. Yeah, my brother went to an
Ivy League school. I went to work for Glenn Beck
instead of going to an Ivy League school for an NBA.
There's been a lot of lunacy on display. What are
you getting into here in the book? Is this most
about all the Hamas lovers running wild in the quadrangles.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What's happening here?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So as you remember, yes, the book is poisoned Ivies.
This was about the university president's hearing where you had
the presidents of Penn, Mit and Harvard. It became the
most viewed testimony in the history of Congress, more than Watergate,
more than any other congressional hearing. And that was when
I asked them a direct question, does calling for the
genocide of Jews violate your university's code of conduct? And
they essentially equivocated and said it depends on the context.
(05:29):
This was, of course, after the Hamas attacks against Israel
on October seventh, as we saw universities in the US,
particularly the Ivy League, be engulfed with anti Semitism. But
it's not just about anti Semitism. This is a much
broader moral and academic rot. If you look at the
radical professors at these schools, if you look at the
foreign dollars flowing to these schools, the percentage of increases
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of foreign students. For example, at Columbia, forty percent of
students at Columbia are foreign students, and that includes literally
students who publicly chant not just death to Israel, but
death to America and are affiliated with Hamas terrorist organizations.
So the book goes into all of that. It's a
behind the scenes look at the hearing. It's already the
(06:13):
number one bestseller in nonfiction on Amazon nationwide because people
care about education, because it's about educating our next generational leaders.
And I'll tell you, the next generation of leaders aren't
going to come from these schools. It not only highlights
the bad actors, but the good actors. And I know
one of you will be very proud that Vanderbilt is
highlighted as a positive example and people are voting with
(06:35):
their feet in their wallets.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I was just gonna say this because I think it's
such an interesting example. I went to Vanderbilt and met
my wife there. We loved the school, but they had
to protest. After October seventh, kids on campus tried to
take over the main Kirkland Hall there. The chancellor, Daniel Diermeier,
(06:58):
walked in, he said, uh huh. He called in the
Metro Nashville Police. They arrested all of the protesters immediately,
and they kicked the students out of school. Buck they
didn't allow them to finish the semester they were done,
and something interesting has happened. I was talking with some
of the top Vanderbilt administrators recently. I don't know if
(07:18):
you know this at Lease, but they said that they're yield.
That is, the kids that get invited to come to Vanderbilt,
get admitted, get an admission to offer. They have a
higher yield now than Columbia University. So Vanderbilt League, yeah,
(07:38):
they now get So if you have a kid and
they go get admitted to Columbia, and you have a
kid they get admitted to Vanderbilt, the kid that it
gets admitted to Vanderbilt is more likely to go to
Vanderbilt than the kid that gets admitted to Columbia.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I asked, I said, how's this happening?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
They said, our applications from New York City, LA and
Chicago skyrocketed after all all of the protests on the
IVY League campuses. So there are real significant consequences that
you are writing about that are potentially remaking where the
most elite talented kids in the country decide to go
(08:12):
to school.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Absolutely, and to add further information on that, it is
now more competitive to get into Vanderbilt than some of
the Ivy League schools. So not only are they highlighting
the matriculation rates so those that accept if they get
into both schools, but the applications, as you point out,
have skyrocketed. People are voting with their feats in their wallets.
(08:34):
Parents are rightly scrutinizing it because when you think about it,
and I'm a parent, my son is only four, but
we think a lot about his educational journey in the
years to come. I don't want him to go to
college for political indoctrination. It should be about academic excellence
and connections to good paying jobs after they graduate. So
the book not only talks about the institutions that are rotten,
(08:56):
but it highlights places like Vanderbilt. One other example is Dartmouth,
the sole IVY that actually enforced the rules, very similar
to how Vanderbilt did. I highlight innovative schools like University
at Austin, but it's a broader, really indictment of these
what used to be elite schools, and what's really sad
about it, I myself graduated from one of them. A
(09:17):
lot of those schools, the Harvard's depends, the Columbia's pre
dated the founding of our country are older than two
and fifty years, and we're part of the fabric, initially
of our American Revolutionary War principles. It has fallen so
far to the radical left and it's deeply out of
touch with everyday Americans.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You mentioned your son.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I actually met him in the elevator along with your
husband at the Republican National Convention a couple of years ago.
So hello to your husband. I'm presuming your son's not
a listener yet, but your husband said he was, so yeah,
but you mentioned you mentioned something there that I thought
was super interesting about your own kid. A lot of
times people would aspire when I was a kid, when
(09:57):
Buck was a kid, Hey, you can go to Harvard
one day if you just work really hard, and that
was an aspiration in the eighties and nineties for a
lot of people. Is that changing in your mind? And
how do they fix it if it is not the
same kind. I think there's a lot of people out
there that listen to us that would have said, Hey,
in nineteen eighty eight, my kid went to Harvard, it
would have been the greatest thing I could have ever
(10:18):
thought of. By twenty twenty six, I don't know that
the same desire is there.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
How do they fix it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, it's a good question. I mean, my family, it
was an extraordinary achievement. I'm the first member of my
immediate family to have the opportunity to graduate from college.
I was very proud to get admitted to Harvard. I
had a great experience there twenty years ago. Of course,
it was left leaning, but it was not like it
is today in terms of the absolute bending of the
knee to this anti americanism and just the failure of
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strong leadership and a lack of focus on academic excellence.
These schools are not going to fix themselves. What I
realized after the hearing was despite all of the public pressure,
despite donors withholding their funds, despite these shifts and matriculation rates,
they still don't get it. They are digging deeper and deeper.
That's why the executive actions by the Trump administration that
we have worked very closely with, and the legislative actions
(11:09):
and the leverage of taxpayer dollars, that's the only way
to make them listen. Coupled with the DOJ lawsuits, those
are all incredibly important. It needs to be multifaceted because
they are not going to fix themselves. The schools that
are smart, are innovating and outgrowing, like Vanderbilt and others
who are understanding this is a huge opportunity and an
(11:29):
earthquake broadly in higher education.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I just want to say, Congresswoman, he said, you're your boy.
I believe is for mine is one and I've already
enrolled him for Florida prepay down here, So I'm already
I'm already taking the steps because you're going to have
to get into the University of Florida too.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
By the way, like state schools in the South at least,
are skyrocketing since what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Now, uf which my wife is a is an alumni
alumna of University of Florida. I think got over one
hundred thousand applications this year, Congresswoman, which is.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And Ufiz.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It is highlighted as one of the positives. Again, most
of the chapters are the deep dives on the rotten ivies,
but I thought it was important to end on a
positive note at the schools that are doing it right,
and University of Florida is one of them. And you know,
particularly at the time when you saw these prohamas encampments,
Ben sass was head of the University of Florida system
(12:25):
and he took very similar to Deermeier at Vanderbilt. They
enforced the rules immediately and they correctly focused on the
academics instead of allowing this political indoctrination. And frankly, it
was criminal activity. That's why this DOJ lawsuit is so
important to hold these schools accountable when they are not
protecting civil rights of American Jewish students. And I myself
(12:48):
am not Jewish, I am Catholic. I just it was
so unrecognizable to me, and we had heard from so
many students these horrific stories that it was important to
lead in Congress, and I think we did that in
the hearing curd around the world.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Congressman, we'll have to have you back because you can
answer the question Brown University.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Is it really a school or is it just.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
A commune with drum circles? But that will be for
next time. The book is Poisoned IVS. Go get your
copy today. It's number one on Amazon doing phenomenally. Congressman,
thank you for all your work. Congrats on the book,
and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
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Here is cut twenty five.
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It has been a fantastic tax season. It has gone smoothly,
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will tell you that the biggest one of those that
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Speaker 3 (17:19):
And it's the American way.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
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Speaker 3 (18:54):
Stock market hits an all time high.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Price of oil and gas has stabilized, backing up a
decent amount in the past several days. We've already talked
to Cash Betel and Elie stefanic As. Always encourage you
to download the podcast make sure you don't miss a
single moment of the program, no matter where you may be,
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and there is still a lot of news out there,
and one of the things that people are most concerned
about is the price of oil and gas, as it
is up to around four dollars and ten cents a
gallon on average compared to where it was. And we'll
get to some of your calls here in a moment,
but I did want to address that. Peter Doucy of
(19:40):
Fox News ask Scott Besant directly about that when are
we going to get back to three dollars gallon gas?
Cut twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
When are we really going to get three dollars a
gallon gas?
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Well, I think that's going to be the up to
how the negotiations go. President Trump said this morning that
he thinks we're nearing the end. The US kept their
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removed have not been completely reopened. So we will see.
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And I'm optimistic that during the summer we will see
gas with a three in front of it, sooner rather
than later.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
So not by summer, late Memorial Day, but maybe by
Labor Day.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Again, I'm optimistic that sometime between June twentieth and September twentieth,
that we can have three dollars gas again.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Okay, so that is a little bit of a prediction.
Usually gas prices go up in the summer, starting with
Memorial Day traveling season. But as we have said on
this program, I am confident that gas prices will be
back down very shortly. And that is Scott beston answering
that question directly. Jim in Montana tax day, you say,
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not a bad tax day for you.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Appreciate the call.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Let us know absolutely, can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, we got you.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
So.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Yeah, probably the last twelve to fifteen years, I've paid
into the federal government probably two to four thousand dollars
every year. This is the first year in that amount
of time that I'm finally getting a refund from the
federal government, which kind of shocked me.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So you got back how much?
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Right around four thousand?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Well, congrats, thanks for calling in the Caroline Levitt said,
the average refund is right around thirty four hundred dollars,
so you did a little bit better than expected. So yes, look,
thank you for the call. I do think this is
going to juice the economy in a big way, and
you say, what do you mean, Clay, Well, thousands of
dollars back, an average of thirty four hundred dollars back,
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in fact, is going to put a lot more money
into pockets. That is, more of your own money into
your own pockets, and that is going to result in
a lot of money being spent, which is going to
juice the overall economy. I think to the summer and
the things are going to be going very positive. This
is my prediction as we come up on the fall,
that it's going to be hard for a lot of
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people to feel like the economy isn't substantially better thanks
to having thousands of dollars on average back in their pockets. Now,
remember half of the people out there don't pay a
dollar in federal income tax.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Half.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
So if you paid one dollar in federal income tax
this year, you paid more basically than the average American did,
because half of all Americans don't pay federal income tax
at all. And so Democrats are continuing to say we've
got a tax of the rich. I mean, that's the
Mamdani plan, that's the Elizabeth Warren plan, that's the Kathy
Hochl plan. The rich are actually being taxed at an
(22:44):
incredibly high rate. I saw this this morning. In response,
I was sharing the data on who's actually paying taxes,
and people say, well, the rich need to pay their
fair share, And this was one of the comments I
went in after I aired all of the data. Top
one percent pays over forty percent of all income tax,
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top ten percent seventy two percent of all income tax,
top twenty five percent pays eighty seven percent of all
income taxes. That means the bottom seventy five percent of
earners only pay thirteen percent of our total federal income
tax And people say, well, the rich don't pay their
fair share. This is a great stat from the Internal
(23:30):
Revenue Service. This is the irs themselves. The top one
percent of earners make twenty percent twenty six percent of
all income and they pay forty six percent of all
federal taxes. Top two to five percent make sixteen percent
and pays twenty top five to ten percent they make
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eleven percent overall, they pay ten. So it starts to
get to the point. And by the way, the bottom
fifty make ten percent of all income and only pay
two percent of all taxes.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So the rich, the super rich out there make.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Twenty six percent of total income and pay forty six
percent of taxes. It's just the top one percent. That's
according to the IRSH. We've got a couple of different
calls actually John and Sacramento. I want to get his
story if he's still there, John, what did you What
did you have to say? You were out at a
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track meet in California this weekend.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Hey, Clay, big fan. Yeah. So, my daughter's a freshman
here in Sacramento and high school track athlete. So we
were at the it's called the Nike Arcadie Arcadia National
Meet in Pasadena where they bring in the best runners
and jumpers in the country. So the winner of the
boys of the girls excuse me, long jump, I jump
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and triple jump was a boy.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, And why follow it?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
Because my daughter's an athlete and I've seen this kid before.
He won this California State girls long jump, triple jump
and high jump last year at the championships. So my
ask to you is is you know, I know this
is an important issue that you talk about probably better
than anyone else in the country. Is you know to
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publicize this because the championships are in six weeks again
and he's gonna win his fourth, fifth, and sixth championship
over girls and a sport where clearly jumping is a
we don't even need to discuss them this.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
So this is your daughter is how old?
Speaker 9 (25:36):
She's a fifteen year old freshman. She doesn't do long jumps,
she's a triples she's an eight hunder runner. But if
the boys were running in the eight hundred, clearly should
get beat and there as well.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, this guy, this dude, his name is ab Hernandez,
if I'm not mistaken, and he has won multiple California
state championships and he's on track to win in women's
multiple more women's championships. I'm just curious. So I think
it's an outrageous story. We're going to cover it aggressively.
The state of California is going to try to protect
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this dude, and they're going to argue that he should
be able to win a women's championship because their argument
is that he's every bit as much of a woman
as your daughter is or any other actual woman that
is competing. What do the girls say when you hear
him talk? What are they saying about the idea that
a boy is going to win all of these state
titles in California.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Well, yeah, let me answer that. But first, first off,
last year they brushed it under the rug by saying
that if anyone tied him, if he won, if a
girl was second, she'd be given a first place as well,
which is that's right, basically not a soulization, shouldn't ridiculous.
But number two, like, my daughter is just kind of
amused by it because she hears me talk about it
always because I'm not happy about it, And but her
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and her friends when they hear it, they're just like
shocked that, like even that it's happening. They're kind of like,
it's happening. What can we do about it? You know,
everyone says, well the girl, what about.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
The other parents? Come on, you're a dad. I think
dad out there just outraged by this in general. But
are their dads and moms? Do they have private conversations
because they might be concerned about saying stuff publicly. I
appreciate you calling in. What are the private conversations?
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Like, so I come from you know, I'm a politically
active person, so I come in Republican circles and know
a lot of people and obviously they can't stand it.
But as an example, Clay, I was sitting in the
stands obviously, so I'm amongst amongst parents, and I slowly
start to talk to them about this, and I can't
tell you one of them who didn't think it was
completely ridiculous. Yeah, so you know, it's just it's obviously
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it's unfair. But I'm asking you guys to publicize this.
Come do your show there, Tell Harmie Dylan to be
there because it's happening.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
Still.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
President's done a lot, but it's happening, and this kid's
going to take three more state championships from girls.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, thank you for the call. It's absolutely outrageous. We
probably should cover it at OutKick again. This happened last
year in California. This same boy one all of the
girls state championships in many of these different track events,
and now he's back to win again.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
And I just for all.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
The people out there who claim, oh, this is not
that big of a story, Okay, then end it right.
My wife was fired up about this recently because she said,
you know that this is an outrageous and indefensible perspective
that they are arguing right that a boy is actually
a girl and should be able to win a girls
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championship because they never defend it, right, They just say,
I don't know why you want to talk about this. Well,
the reason we want to talk about it is because
it's happening, and the way to solve it is to
stop it from happening. And I always like to say,
take it outside of gender.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Some of y'all are listening right now. Cooperstown, New York.
Major League Baseball's Hall of Fame is there. It's a
beautiful area. They have a great little league competition in Cooperstown,
New York. All these boys teams from all over the country.
Twelve you. That means you're twelve and under. You show
up and compete. And I've said this before, but I
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think it's significant. You have to bring your actual birth
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you have a thirteen or a fourteen year old kid,
he can dominate actual birth certificates. And I know because
I've lost the birth certificate. But that's how much they're
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paying attention to this because they want to make sure
competition is fair.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Every single parent that.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Is at that twelve U championship would be furious if
somebody showed up with a fourteen year old and dominated
the tournament wouldn't be allowed. If they found out they
were doing it, the whole team would get kicked out
and everybody would.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Be furious about it. What do you think is more valuable.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Being fourteen year old competing against twelve year olds or
male testosterone competing against r contenders? Is there I mean,
is there any doubt? I mean, this is just a
basic issue of fairness. So the way they respond is
they say, well, it doesn't happen very often. I don't
know why you even want to talk about this. Is
this really the most important thing going on? No, But
(30:15):
if you responded in that same way and you said, well, okay,
there's not that many fourteen year olds playing twelve you baseball.
It's only happening every now and then, there's only four
or five of them. Yeah, but they would dominate and
they destroy the entire purpose of having twelve you competition.
To me, this is such a no brainer issue. And
(30:38):
they know they're wrong on this because they won't even
debate it. They know it's absurd. But I appreciate him calling,
and this is a real issue that continues to happen everywhere,
and I think President Trump should weigh in again aggressively
on this. Harmeat Dylan, if she and her team are
working or listening to some of this, I think they
should weigh in. I believe Harmeat is a California native,
so this would strike her even more than than usual.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. You got
a ton of different talkbacks that I'm gonna hit here,
but I wanted to go to this call first. This
is Mike and Venice, Florida small business owner. It's tax day.
What is the impact of the tax cuts meant to you?
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Really quickly? I just came out of my accountant's office.
I pay a lot of taxes and I expected to
pay almost you know, pay hey, forty five thousand. He
showed me the thing, gave me the clips. What I
got to pay it was fifteen thousand dollars. I almost
kissed the man, and I can't believe it. Isn't this
what we're supposed to be doing. Is this to help
the great pay I was supposed to help? And yeah,
I'm going to spend that money. That's all I wanted
to say. I have a great Dayclay. I love you guys.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well, thank you. Yes, people, when they have money, it's
your money.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You should be able to spend it as you see
fit or invest it. You can do whatever you want
with it. The government shouldn't get it. I just the
older I get, the more angry I am. I said
it earlier, but think about how crazy this is. I
do this show five days a week, Monday and Tuesday.
I do it for the federal government. Think about that
for a minute. Every Monday and Tuesday, if you're angry
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at something that I say, you should actually be angry
at the federal govern because they're taking the money that
I get paid for everything that I say on Monday
and Tuesday. I don't make a dollar for my family
until I get to Wednesday show. And that, of course
presumes I'm not working on Saturday and Sunday. They take
even more my days, and rightly, we are working a
lot on Saturday and Sunday around here. Let's see, we
(34:18):
got some great talkbacks. I want to try to hit
as many of these as I can. Dwight from Minnesota,
we're talking about the Supreme Court and the possibility of
Justice Alito stepping down cut l.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
My idea is that the President proposes to pack the court,
to get all the Democrats to come on record as
to why court packing would be wrong, and then we
can use some arguments in the future if they should
decide to do so.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
There is a ton of serious talk, but that is
a sorry, a fun talk, but that is a serious
take there. Kimmy and Suffolk yesterday, we were talking about
smart appliances and how they don't work as well as
the old ones.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Did Ge talk back, man, you struck a nerve. I
am so tired of these smart appliances.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I want a stupid washing machine, I want a stupid refrigerator,
I want a stupid thermostat and regular light bulbs. So
please make stupid smart again.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's so well said. Don't even get me started on
light bulbs. You can't even see from some of these
light bulbs. Now, I read like my old print newspaper.
We got a light bulb in the bedroom, it might
as well be just It is the dimmest light bulb
that has ever existed in the history of mankind. I
basically have to put the entire paper next to the
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light bulb to even be able to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Let's see, I said that the fork was vastly superior
to chopsticks.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Rich in Wisconsin was not happy about that.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
Cut. K, you're wrong about chopsticks.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
The best way in the world to eat I'm the
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else even comes close.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
A listener asked me that, well, first of all, I
don't eat that stuff very often, but A listener asked
me an interesting question. Do they use forks at American
restaurants in Japan? Because obviously we try to show off
here by using chopsticks in Japanese restaurants. For instance, if
you I've never been to Japan, if you go to
Japan and you go into an American style food place,
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which they have tons of in Japan, do they use
forks as an interesting cultural experiment so that you feel
like you're in America because you're using a fork.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I would be actually curious. I've bet a bunch of
you have been to Japan know the answer to that.
All right, super important questions. Thank you guys for hanging
out with us. Buck, We'll have you tomorrow. I'll be
back with you Friday. We got a big charity event
at mar A Lago tomorrow. Appreciate y'all
This third hour of Clay and Buck kicksoff. Now we
are joined by Congresswoman out of the Great State of
New York at least, Stephonic. She also has a new
book out, Poisoned IVS, the inside account of the academic
and moral rock at America's elite universities, just came out yesterday.
Congress Woman, great to have you, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Great to be with you, guys. I've been looking forward
to this.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know, I am a New Yorker, I think forever,
because I lived there for so many years, born and raised,
and so I'm always caught between loving the Empire State
and particularly New York City, and also watching from afar
as it's turned into such a mess. So with that
in mind, we're going to get to your book in
just a second. But we were just talking about mom
(00:46):
Donnie's grocery store in New York and how this is
just emblematic of another bad idea that's going to cost
money not help people who could use some financial relief.
What does he really not know that this is going
to be a mess. How is Kathy Hochel so incompetent?
I have a lot of questions Congresswoman.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
We have a lot to cover because the rot is
so deep in New York when you have a state
that single party Democrat rule and the Socialist Party has
hijacked today's Democrat party in New York and Franklin nationwide, Today,
on tax Day, as Americans are filing their taxes, and
particularly in a high tax state like New York, what
does Kathy Hokill do. She breaks her promise and says, oh,
(01:27):
she's gonna raise taxes higher, further forcing people to run
away from New York, further forcing businesses out. And this
is because she is beholden to the Socialist On top
of that, you have Mom Donnie, who is celebrating his
first one hundred days where he couldn't shovel snow off
the streets, where he has been embroiled in huge political
fights with the New York City Council, which is controlled
(01:50):
by Democrats, and he put forth this grocery store plan
that's going to cost the taxpayers thirty million dollars. But
the kicker is they're not going to open un till
twenty twenty nine, which highlights this socialist insanity. You know,
if we were to rely on government grocery stores, there
would be hunger lines out the door. It is a
total abuse of taxpayer dollars. And frankly, thank goodness for
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the free market in New York State that we have
had that built up the city of New York that
is crumbling under failed socialist leadership.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
We're talking to Elis Stefanik. You certainly saw and heard
when Kathy Hokel told former New Yorkers like Buck, just
moved to Florida, then the tax returned.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So I did. I couldn't disobey Kathy, I said, fine, Kathy,
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So the tax returns have collapsed as many people Buck,
Sean Hannity, even just in this radio world, have decided
to go from New York to Florida. And now she's
begging Floridians to come back to New York. Meanwhile, they're
talking about added taxes on second homes. I believe it
is the correct that the budget for the City of
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New York is bigger than the entire buy for all
of Florida. How much of this is just complete mismanagement,
and how much is pushing out the people who actually
pay the taxes blowing up in the face of Democrats
like Mam Donnie and Hochel.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It is total mismanagement. And this is what happens when
you have single party rule. Democrats in the state of
New York control the state Senate, control the Assembly, control
the governor's office as well as New York City. And
it's not just a Democrat in New York City. It's
a socialist as we know in Mam Donnie and you know,
Kathy Hochle and other Democrats have liked to say, oh,
it's because of the weather. That's nonsense. It's because of
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the policies. And she encouraged people to leave this great
state of New York. And of course now they're begging
them to come back. But newsflash, they're not coming back.
It's going to be higher and higher taxes under single
party Democrat rule. I've been proud to be the leading
Republican fighting against this and frankly in this tax bill.
And people can quibble about this, but I represent New Yorkers.
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I raised that state and local tax deduction, which for
a high tax state like New York, I needed to
deliver a tax cut from my constituents, and I did.
And that's something that the Democrats never will even consider.
They're never going to consider cutting taxes. And if you
look at Florida, a higher population, the entire the budget
of medicaid in New York State is more than the
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entire budget of Florida. It is totally mismanaged in a disaster.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
All right, we're talking to congresswoman at least defonic from
New York. I still love you New York, but you
have to stop being insane. But there are many New
Yorkers who feel the same way, Congressomen who are listening
right now, and they're sticking it out. So I respect that,
and you were one of them. You still have to
live there too. So we got a book, though. Let's
talk about your book for a second. Poisoned Ives the
inside account of the academic and moral rot at America's
(04:43):
elite universities Poisoned ivies for short. You guys can go
get on an Amazon. Yeah, my brother went to an
Ivy League school. I went to work for Glenn Beck
instead of going to an Ivy League school for an NBA.
There's been a lot of lunacy on display. What are
you getting into here in the book? Is this most
about all the Hamas lovers running wild in the quadrangles.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
What's happening here?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So as you remember, yes, the book is poisoned Ivies.
This was about the university president's hearing where you had
the presidents of Penn, Mit and Harvard. It became the
most viewed testimony in the history of Congress, more than Watergate,
more than any other congressional hearing. And that was when
I asked them a direct question, does calling for the
genocide of Jews violate your university's code of conduct? And
they essentially equivocated and said it depends on the context.
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This was, of course, after the Hamas attacks against Israel
on October seventh, as we saw universities in the US,
particularly the Ivy League, be engulfed with anti Semitism. But
it's not just about anti Semitism. This is a much
broader moral and academic rot. If you look at the
radical professors at these schools, if you look at the
foreign dollars flowing to these schools, the percentage of increases
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of foreign students. For example, at Columbia, forty percent of
students at Columbia are foreign students, and that includes literally
students who publicly chant not just death to Israel, but
death to America and are affiliated with Hamas terrorist organizations.
So the book goes into all of that. It's a
behind the scenes look at the hearing. It's already the
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number one bestseller in nonfiction on Amazon nationwide because people
care about education, because it's about educating our next generational leaders.
And I'll tell you, the next generation of leaders aren't
going to come from these schools. It not only highlights
the bad actors, but the good actors. And I know
one of you will be very proud that Vanderbilt is
highlighted as a positive example and people are voting with
(06:35):
their feet in their wallets.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I was just gonna say this because I think it's
such an interesting example. I went to Vanderbilt and met
my wife there. We loved the school, but they had
to protest. After October seventh, kids on campus tried to
take over the main Kirkland Hall there. The chancellor, Daniel Diermeier,
(06:58):
walked in, he said, uh huh. He called in the
Metro Nashville Police. They arrested all of the protesters immediately,
and they kicked the students out of school. Buck they
didn't allow them to finish the semester they were done,
and something interesting has happened. I was talking with some
of the top Vanderbilt administrators recently. I don't know if
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you know this at Lease, but they said that they're yield.
That is, the kids that get invited to come to Vanderbilt,
get admitted, get an admission to offer. They have a
higher yield now than Columbia University. So Vanderbilt League, yeah,
(07:38):
they now get So if you have a kid and
they go get admitted to Columbia, and you have a
kid they get admitted to Vanderbilt, the kid that it
gets admitted to Vanderbilt is more likely to go to
Vanderbilt than the kid that gets admitted to Columbia.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I asked, I said, how's this happening?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
They said, our applications from New York City, LA and
Chicago skyrocketed after all all of the protests on the
IVY League campuses. So there are real significant consequences that
you are writing about that are potentially remaking where the
most elite talented kids in the country decide to go
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to school.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Absolutely, and to add further information on that, it is
now more competitive to get into Vanderbilt than some of
the Ivy League schools. So not only are they highlighting
the matriculation rates so those that accept if they get
into both schools, but the applications, as you point out,
have skyrocketed. People are voting with their feats in their wallets.
(08:34):
Parents are rightly scrutinizing it because when you think about it,
and I'm a parent, my son is only four, but
we think a lot about his educational journey in the
years to come. I don't want him to go to
college for political indoctrination. It should be about academic excellence
and connections to good paying jobs after they graduate. So
the book not only talks about the institutions that are rotten,
(08:56):
but it highlights places like Vanderbilt. One other example is Dartmouth,
the sole IVY that actually enforced the rules, very similar
to how Vanderbilt did. I highlight innovative schools like University
at Austin, but it's a broader, really indictment of these
what used to be elite schools, and what's really sad
about it, I myself graduated from one of them. A
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lot of those schools, the Harvard's depends, the Columbia's pre
dated the founding of our country are older than two
and fifty years, and we're part of the fabric, initially
of our American Revolutionary War principles. It has fallen so
far to the radical left and it's deeply out of
touch with everyday Americans.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You mentioned your son.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I actually met him in the elevator along with your
husband at the Republican National Convention a couple of years ago.
So hello to your husband. I'm presuming your son's not
a listener yet, but your husband said he was, so yeah,
but you mentioned you mentioned something there that I thought
was super interesting about your own kid. A lot of
times people would aspire when I was a kid, when
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Buck was a kid, Hey, you can go to Harvard
one day if you just work really hard, and that
was an aspiration in the eighties and nineties for a
lot of people. Is that changing in your mind? And
how do they fix it if it is not the
same kind. I think there's a lot of people out
there that listen to us that would have said, Hey,
in nineteen eighty eight, my kid went to Harvard, it
would have been the greatest thing I could have ever
(10:18):
thought of. By twenty twenty six, I don't know that
the same desire is there.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
How do they fix it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, it's a good question. I mean, my family, it
was an extraordinary achievement. I'm the first member of my
immediate family to have the opportunity to graduate from college.
I was very proud to get admitted to Harvard. I
had a great experience there twenty years ago. Of course,
it was left leaning, but it was not like it
is today in terms of the absolute bending of the
knee to this anti americanism and just the failure of
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strong leadership and a lack of focus on academic excellence.
These schools are not going to fix themselves. What I
realized after the hearing was despite all of the public pressure,
despite donors withholding their funds, despite these shifts and matriculation rates,
they still don't get it. They are digging deeper and deeper.
That's why the executive actions by the Trump administration that
we have worked very closely with, and the legislative actions
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and the leverage of taxpayer dollars, that's the only way
to make them listen. Coupled with the DOJ lawsuits, those
are all incredibly important. It needs to be multifaceted because
they are not going to fix themselves. The schools that
are smart, are innovating and outgrowing, like Vanderbilt and others
who are understanding this is a huge opportunity and an
(11:29):
earthquake broadly in higher education.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I just want to say, Congresswoman, he said, you're your boy.
I believe is for mine is one and I've already
enrolled him for Florida prepay down here, So I'm already
I'm already taking the steps because you're going to have
to get into the University of Florida too.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
By the way, like state schools in the South at least,
are skyrocketing since what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Now, uf which my wife is a is an alumni
alumna of University of Florida. I think got over one
hundred thousand applications this year, Congresswoman, which is.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And Ufiz.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It is highlighted as one of the positives. Again, most
of the chapters are the deep dives on the rotten ivies,
but I thought it was important to end on a
positive note at the schools that are doing it right,
and University of Florida is one of them. And you know,
particularly at the time when you saw these prohamas encampments,
Ben sass was head of the University of Florida system
(12:25):
and he took very similar to Deermeier at Vanderbilt. They
enforced the rules immediately and they correctly focused on the
academics instead of allowing this political indoctrination. And frankly, it
was criminal activity. That's why this DOJ lawsuit is so
important to hold these schools accountable when they are not
protecting civil rights of American Jewish students. And I myself
(12:48):
am not Jewish, I am Catholic. I just it was
so unrecognizable to me, and we had heard from so
many students these horrific stories that it was important to
lead in Congress, and I think we did that in
the hearing curd around the world.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Congressman, we'll have to have you back because you can
answer the question Brown University.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Is it really a school or is it just.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
A commune with drum circles? But that will be for
next time. The book is Poisoned IVS. Go get your
copy today. It's number one on Amazon doing phenomenally. Congressman,
thank you for all your work. Congrats on the book,
and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Thank you so much.
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Your pals Cleain Buck on the iHeart as Welcome back
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so we will be there. Should be a fun event.
There are a bunch of talkbacks here from the event
Caroline Levitt just had in the White House, and I
thought I would hit some of these to get you
updated with what was just said there. Caroline Levitt says
more than fifty three million filers have claimed at least
(15:27):
one of Trump's tax cuts average refund this year more
than thirty four hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Here is cut twenty five.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
But tax day officially here the numbers prove these tax
cuts have been nothing short of extraordinary. More than fifty
three million filers claimed at least one of President Trump's
signature new tax cuts. The average refund this filing season
is more than thirty four hundred dollars. The Trump administration
has issued more refunds in larger refunds than in any
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year of the hiss of our country, and I will
allow Secretary Bessett to break down the numbers in greater detail.
President Trump and Republicans in Congress have always believed that
the American people know how to spend their money better
than the government does. But what the American people must
not forget is that every single Democrat in Congress voted
against these tax refunds.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Also, then Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett talking about the great
tax season cut twenty six.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
It has been a fantastic tax season. It has gone smoothly,
it has gone efficiently from the point of view of
the IRS. But most importantly, it's been a great tax
season for the American people thanks to promises made, promises kept.
Through the working family's tax cuts, the President has delivered
the record refunds to the American people. More than forty
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five percent of the filers of the returns that we
have seen have had at least one of the poor
and signature policies no tax and tips, no taxing overtime,
the deductions for our great seniors, and the deductibility of
interest on auto loans for American made cars. And I
will tell you that the biggest one of those that
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Americans have taken is no taxing overtime.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
And it's the American way.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
If you want to work longer hours, you get to
keep more of your money.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
All well said, we'll talk more about tax Day and
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, positive news.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Stock market hits an all time high.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Price of oil and gas has stabilized, backing up a
decent amount in the past several days. We've already talked
to Cash Betel and Elie stefanic As. Always encourage you
to download the podcast make sure you don't miss a
single moment of the program, no matter where you may be,
(19:18):
and there is still a lot of news out there,
and one of the things that people are most concerned
about is the price of oil and gas, as it
is up to around four dollars and ten cents a
gallon on average compared to where it was. And we'll
get to some of your calls here in a moment,
but I did want to address that. Peter Doucy of
(19:40):
Fox News ask Scott Besant directly about that when are
we going to get back to three dollars gallon gas?
Cut twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
When are we really going to get three dollars a
gallon gas?
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Well, I think that's going to be the up to
how the negotiations go. President Trump said this morning that
he thinks we're nearing the end. The US kept their
side on the ceasefire. We've stopped firing. The straits O
removed have not been completely reopened. So we will see.
(20:12):
And I'm optimistic that during the summer we will see
gas with a three in front of it, sooner rather
than later.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
So not by summer, late Memorial Day, but maybe by
Labor Day.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Again, I'm optimistic that sometime between June twentieth and September twentieth,
that we can have three dollars gas again.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Okay, so that is a little bit of a prediction.
Usually gas prices go up in the summer, starting with
Memorial Day traveling season. But as we have said on
this program, I am confident that gas prices will be
back down very shortly. And that is Scott beston answering
that question directly. Jim in Montana tax day, you say,
(20:56):
not a bad tax day for you.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Appreciate the call.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Let us know absolutely, can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, we got you.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
So.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Yeah, probably the last twelve to fifteen years, I've paid
into the federal government probably two to four thousand dollars
every year. This is the first year in that amount
of time that I'm finally getting a refund from the
federal government, which kind of shocked me.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
So you got back how much?
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Right around four thousand?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Well, congrats, thanks for calling in the Caroline Levitt said,
the average refund is right around thirty four hundred dollars,
so you did a little bit better than expected. So yes, look,
thank you for the call. I do think this is
going to juice the economy in a big way, and
you say, what do you mean, Clay, Well, thousands of
dollars back, an average of thirty four hundred dollars back,
(21:46):
in fact, is going to put a lot more money
into pockets. That is, more of your own money into
your own pockets, and that is going to result in
a lot of money being spent, which is going to
juice the overall economy. I think to the summer and
the things are going to be going very positive. This
is my prediction as we come up on the fall,
that it's going to be hard for a lot of
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people to feel like the economy isn't substantially better thanks
to having thousands of dollars on average back in their pockets. Now,
remember half of the people out there don't pay a
dollar in federal income tax.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Half.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
So if you paid one dollar in federal income tax
this year, you paid more basically than the average American did,
because half of all Americans don't pay federal income tax
at all. And so Democrats are continuing to say we've
got a tax of the rich. I mean, that's the
Mamdani plan, that's the Elizabeth Warren plan, that's the Kathy
Hochl plan. The rich are actually being taxed at an
(22:44):
incredibly high rate. I saw this this morning. In response,
I was sharing the data on who's actually paying taxes,
and people say, well, the rich need to pay their
fair share, And this was one of the comments I
went in after I aired all of the data. Top
one percent pays over forty percent of all income tax,
(23:07):
top ten percent seventy two percent of all income tax,
top twenty five percent pays eighty seven percent of all
income taxes. That means the bottom seventy five percent of
earners only pay thirteen percent of our total federal income
tax And people say, well, the rich don't pay their
fair share. This is a great stat from the Internal
(23:30):
Revenue Service. This is the irs themselves. The top one
percent of earners make twenty percent twenty six percent of
all income and they pay forty six percent of all
federal taxes. Top two to five percent make sixteen percent
and pays twenty top five to ten percent they make
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eleven percent overall, they pay ten. So it starts to
get to the point. And by the way, the bottom
fifty make ten percent of all income and only pay
two percent of all taxes.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So the rich, the super rich out there make.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Twenty six percent of total income and pay forty six
percent of taxes. It's just the top one percent. That's
according to the IRSH. We've got a couple of different
calls actually John and Sacramento. I want to get his
story if he's still there, John, what did you What
did you have to say? You were out at a
(24:31):
track meet in California this weekend.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
Hey, Clay, big fan. Yeah. So, my daughter's a freshman
here in Sacramento and high school track athlete. So we
were at the it's called the Nike Arcadie Arcadia National
Meet in Pasadena where they bring in the best runners
and jumpers in the country. So the winner of the
boys of the girls excuse me, long jump, I jump
(24:55):
and triple jump was a boy.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, And why follow it?
Speaker 9 (24:59):
Because my daughter's an athlete and I've seen this kid before.
He won this California State girls long jump, triple jump
and high jump last year at the championships. So my
ask to you is is you know, I know this
is an important issue that you talk about probably better
than anyone else in the country. Is you know to
(25:20):
publicize this because the championships are in six weeks again
and he's gonna win his fourth, fifth, and sixth championship
over girls and a sport where clearly jumping is a
we don't even need to discuss them this.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
So this is your daughter is how old?
Speaker 9 (25:36):
She's a fifteen year old freshman. She doesn't do long jumps,
she's a triples she's an eight hunder runner. But if
the boys were running in the eight hundred, clearly should
get beat and there as well.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, this guy, this dude, his name is ab Hernandez,
if I'm not mistaken, and he has won multiple California
state championships and he's on track to win in women's
multiple more women's championships. I'm just curious. So I think
it's an outrageous story. We're going to cover it aggressively.
The state of California is going to try to protect
(26:06):
this dude, and they're going to argue that he should
be able to win a women's championship because their argument
is that he's every bit as much of a woman
as your daughter is or any other actual woman that
is competing. What do the girls say when you hear
him talk? What are they saying about the idea that
a boy is going to win all of these state
titles in California.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Well, yeah, let me answer that. But first, first off,
last year they brushed it under the rug by saying
that if anyone tied him, if he won, if a
girl was second, she'd be given a first place as well,
which is that's right, basically not a soulization, shouldn't ridiculous.
But number two, like, my daughter is just kind of
amused by it because she hears me talk about it
always because I'm not happy about it, And but her
(26:48):
and her friends when they hear it, they're just like
shocked that, like even that it's happening. They're kind of like,
it's happening. What can we do about it? You know,
everyone says, well the girl, what about.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
The other parents? Come on, you're a dad. I think
dad out there just outraged by this in general. But
are their dads and moms? Do they have private conversations
because they might be concerned about saying stuff publicly. I
appreciate you calling in. What are the private conversations?
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Like, so I come from you know, I'm a politically
active person, so I come in Republican circles and know
a lot of people and obviously they can't stand it.
But as an example, Clay, I was sitting in the
stands obviously, so I'm amongst amongst parents, and I slowly
start to talk to them about this, and I can't
tell you one of them who didn't think it was
completely ridiculous. Yeah, so you know, it's just it's obviously
(27:35):
it's unfair. But I'm asking you guys to publicize this.
Come do your show there, Tell Harmie Dylan to be
there because it's happening.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
Still.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
President's done a lot, but it's happening, and this kid's
going to take three more state championships from girls.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, thank you for the call. It's absolutely outrageous. We
probably should cover it at OutKick again. This happened last
year in California. This same boy one all of the
girls state championships in many of these different track events,
and now he's back to win again.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
And I just for all.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
The people out there who claim, oh, this is not
that big of a story, Okay, then end it right.
My wife was fired up about this recently because she said,
you know that this is an outrageous and indefensible perspective
that they are arguing right that a boy is actually
a girl and should be able to win a girls
(28:27):
championship because they never defend it, right, They just say,
I don't know why you want to talk about this. Well,
the reason we want to talk about it is because
it's happening, and the way to solve it is to
stop it from happening. And I always like to say,
take it outside of gender.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Some of y'all are listening right now. Cooperstown, New York.
Major League Baseball's Hall of Fame is there. It's a
beautiful area. They have a great little league competition in Cooperstown,
New York. All these boys teams from all over the country.
Twelve you. That means you're twelve and under. You show
up and compete. And I've said this before, but I
(29:09):
think it's significant. You have to bring your actual birth
certificate for your son to be able to compete, to
prove that he's eligible in twelve you because obviously if
you have a thirteen or a fourteen year old kid,
he can dominate actual birth certificates. And I know because
I've lost the birth certificate. But that's how much they're
(29:29):
paying attention to this because they want to make sure
competition is fair.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Every single parent that.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Is at that twelve U championship would be furious if
somebody showed up with a fourteen year old and dominated
the tournament wouldn't be allowed. If they found out they
were doing it, the whole team would get kicked out
and everybody would.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Be furious about it. What do you think is more valuable.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Being fourteen year old competing against twelve year olds or
male testosterone competing against r contenders? Is there I mean,
is there any doubt? I mean, this is just a
basic issue of fairness. So the way they respond is
they say, well, it doesn't happen very often. I don't
know why you even want to talk about this. Is
this really the most important thing going on? No, But
(30:15):
if you responded in that same way and you said, well, okay,
there's not that many fourteen year olds playing twelve you baseball.
It's only happening every now and then, there's only four
or five of them. Yeah, but they would dominate and
they destroy the entire purpose of having twelve you competition.
To me, this is such a no brainer issue. And
(30:38):
they know they're wrong on this because they won't even
debate it. They know it's absurd. But I appreciate him calling,
and this is a real issue that continues to happen everywhere,
and I think President Trump should weigh in again aggressively
on this. Harmeat Dylan, if she and her team are
working or listening to some of this, I think they
should weigh in. I believe Harmeat is a California native,
so this would strike her even more than than usual.
(31:00):
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to your emails, we'll finish up the program when we return.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. You got
a ton of different talkbacks that I'm gonna hit here,
but I wanted to go to this call first. This
is Mike and Venice, Florida small business owner. It's tax day.
What is the impact of the tax cuts meant to you?
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Really quickly? I just came out of my accountant's office.
I pay a lot of taxes and I expected to
pay almost you know, pay hey, forty five thousand. He
showed me the thing, gave me the clips. What I
got to pay it was fifteen thousand dollars. I almost
kissed the man, and I can't believe it. Isn't this
what we're supposed to be doing. Is this to help
the great pay I was supposed to help? And yeah,
I'm going to spend that money. That's all I wanted
to say. I have a great Dayclay. I love you guys.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well, thank you. Yes, people, when they have money, it's
your money.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You should be able to spend it as you see
fit or invest it. You can do whatever you want
with it. The government shouldn't get it. I just the
older I get, the more angry I am. I said
it earlier, but think about how crazy this is. I
do this show five days a week, Monday and Tuesday.
I do it for the federal government. Think about that
for a minute. Every Monday and Tuesday, if you're angry
(33:56):
at something that I say, you should actually be angry
at the federal govern because they're taking the money that
I get paid for everything that I say on Monday
and Tuesday. I don't make a dollar for my family
until I get to Wednesday show. And that, of course
presumes I'm not working on Saturday and Sunday. They take
even more my days, and rightly, we are working a
lot on Saturday and Sunday around here. Let's see, we
(34:18):
got some great talkbacks. I want to try to hit
as many of these as I can. Dwight from Minnesota,
we're talking about the Supreme Court and the possibility of
Justice Alito stepping down cut l.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
My idea is that the President proposes to pack the court,
to get all the Democrats to come on record as
to why court packing would be wrong, and then we
can use some arguments in the future if they should
decide to do so.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
There is a ton of serious talk, but that is
a sorry, a fun talk, but that is a serious
take there. Kimmy and Suffolk yesterday, we were talking about
smart appliances and how they don't work as well as
the old ones.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Did Ge talk back, man, you struck a nerve. I
am so tired of these smart appliances.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I want a stupid washing machine, I want a stupid refrigerator,
I want a stupid thermostat and regular light bulbs. So
please make stupid smart again.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
That's so well said. Don't even get me started on
light bulbs. You can't even see from some of these
light bulbs. Now, I read like my old print newspaper.
We got a light bulb in the bedroom, it might
as well be just It is the dimmest light bulb
that has ever existed in the history of mankind. I
basically have to put the entire paper next to the
(35:41):
light bulb to even be able to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Let's see, I said that the fork was vastly superior
to chopsticks.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Rich in Wisconsin was not happy about that.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
Cut. K, you're wrong about chopsticks.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
The best way in the world to eat I'm the
noodles or yaqui soba noodles is with chopsticks, and nothing
else even comes close.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
A listener asked me that, well, first of all, I
don't eat that stuff very often, but A listener asked
me an interesting question. Do they use forks at American
restaurants in Japan? Because obviously we try to show off
here by using chopsticks in Japanese restaurants. For instance, if
you I've never been to Japan, if you go to
Japan and you go into an American style food place,
(36:28):
which they have tons of in Japan, do they use
forks as an interesting cultural experiment so that you feel
like you're in America because you're using a fork.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I would be actually curious. I've bet a bunch of
you have been to Japan know the answer to that.
All right, super important questions. Thank you guys for hanging
out with us. Buck, We'll have you tomorrow. I'll be
back with you Friday. We got a big charity event
at mar A Lago tomorrow. Appreciate y'all
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