April 8, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show centers on rapidly unfolding developments from the White House, intense debate over the Iran ceasefire, and a wide range of listener reactions that reflect growing uncertainty about what the U.S. has truly achieved. The hour opens with detailed coverage of White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s briefing, where she strongly pushes back on Iranian public statements, asserting that Iran’s public rhetoric does not match what is being communicated privately to U.S. negotiators. Clay and Buck emphasize that the credibility test is simple: whether ships are actually transiting safely through the Strait of Hormuz. They frame the free flow of global oil and gas as the key real-world indicator of whether Iran is negotiating in good faith, noting that oil prices dropping sharply and stock markets soaring suggest optimism—but trust remains fragile.
The discussion then deepens into skepticism about Iran’s intentions, with Buck arguing forcefully that Iran is playing a long game, exploiting election cycles, U.S. domestic politics, and the limited time remaining in President Donald Trump’s term. Clay outlines his prediction that both sides may ultimately claim victory without Iran formally dismantling its nuclear program, creating a de facto stalemate rather than a decisive non-nuclear outcome. Buck counters that this would fall short of the stated mission and warns that opening negotiations without verifiable concessions risks repeating past failures. A major theme throughout Hour 3 is the imbalance between short-term political timelines in the U.S. and long-term strategic thinking by authoritarian regimes.
Hour 3 also covers confirmation that Vice President JD Vance, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner are traveling to Pakistan for direct, in-person talks with Iranian representatives, framed as a critical next step in testing whether diplomacy can deliver real results. Clay and Buck scrutinize the administration’s messaging on “moral high ground,” playing and analyzing a sharp exchange between Karoline Leavitt and a reporter who questioned Trump’s rhetoric toward Iran. The hosts defend the administration’s position, arguing that dismantling a regime responsible for decades of terrorism and American casualties clearly establishes moral authority, despite criticism from legacy media.
The hosts then turn to media bias, accusing CNN and MSNBC of ignoring overwhelmingly positive market reactions—major stock market gains and collapsing oil prices—while continuing to push negative narratives about Trump. They contrast dire predictions of nuclear war made by critics just days earlier with today’s ceasefire and economic surge, arguing that Trump faces opposition regardless of outcome. Listener calls and talkbacks dominate the latter half of Hour 3, showcasing sharp divisions among the audience: some demand that Trump “finish the job” decisively to avoid prolonged risk to U.S. troops, while others caution against escalation and support cautious verification-first diplomacy.
Additional segments include criticism of progressive media controversies, including MSNBC commentary focused on gendered language used by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth during a military rescue. Clay dismisses these critiques as evidence of misplaced priorities and language policing detached from real-world security concerns. The hour concludes with more listener reactions weighing Buck’s pessimism against Clay’s optimism, ultimately reinforcing the show’s central question: has the Iran strike achieved lasting security, or merely bought time?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
In Hour number three Wednesday edition, Clay and Buck show
a lot of different details, all coming down just recently
with Caroline Levitt in the White House Press briefing, and
I have got a series of these to update you
all with these. I believe these are in the order
(00:23):
in which they were occurrent. And then we've got a
ton of your talkbacks that we will play and eight
hundred and two two two eight A two. We will
take some of your calls as well. Okay and Buck.
This is one of the big points of discussion we
got into in the first hour to what extent is
the public and private commentary different from Iran? How can
(00:46):
you rely on what is being said? Caroline Levitt Cut
twenty six says that what Iran is saying publicly is
different from what they are saying privately.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Cut twenty six with respect to the first reporting out
of Iranian state media, the President was made aware of
those reports before I.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Came to the podium. That is completely unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And again this is a case of what they're saying
publicly is different privately. We have seen an uptick of
traffic in the Strait today and I will reiterate the
President's expectation and demand that the strait of Hermose is
reopened immediately, quickly and safely. That is his expectation. It
has been relayed to him privately that that is what's
taking place in these reports publicly are false.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay, this is an easy one that we can test buck.
Either there's going to be a lot of ships that
are coming through the state straight of Hormuz safely or
there's not. And if there's not, it's a pretty good
sign that that is dishonest, that they are actually still
curtailing traffic substantially.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
My sense also is that she's referring to also here
referring to the position that the Iranians are taking on
the deal points, and is that included in that response
there and.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
An additional we've got an additional cut on that, I think,
which is her saying the ten point request is just
not accurate.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And we will not agreeing that. Well.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
But this is where the public private dichotomy matters so much,
right because they're saying the White House is telling us, oh,
don't worry, behind closed doors, the Iranians are way more
compliant and willing to play ball on these things than
because what they put out to be clear, and we can.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I guess we might as well play this.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
What the Iranians put out is their deal position is
a giant extended finger in our direction. Is it is
a maximalist maximalist points on their side that they are
taking here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
This is twenty eight. Here's Caroline Levitt on this.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I've seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Of inaccurate coverage today from the media about these negotiations
and these plans already. To let me be clear and
correct the record, The Iranians originally put forward a ten
point plan that was fundamentally unserious, unaccepted, and completely discarded.
It was literally thrown in the garbage by President Trump
and his negotiating team. Many outlets in this room have
(03:08):
falsely reported on that plan as being acceptable to the
United States, and that is false. With the President's deadline
fast approaching in the United States military completely decimating Iran
with each passing hour, the regime acknowledged reality to the
negotiating team. They put forward a more reasonable and entirely
different and condensed plan to the President and his team.
(03:29):
President Trump and the team determined the new modified plan
was a workable basis on which to negotiate and to
align it with our own fifteen point proposal. The President's
red lines, namely the end of Iranian enrichment in Iran,
have not changed, and the idea that President Trump would
ever accept an Iranian wish list as.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
A deal is completely absurd.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I don't think anyone, well, I mean recently haven't. I
haven't seen anyone say that the ten points put forward
by Iran were accepted by the way House. So I
think that's a little bit of a red herring. No
one's saying that we've agreed to that. Not even CNN
or New York Times as saying we've agreed to that,
but that is what was put out there. Look, everyone,
we are very pro Trump and very pro America, and
(04:16):
very pro humanity in these matters. Here claim I can
certainly agree on anti death, anti anti death, anti innocent
people suffering, anti chaos, mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together.
We don't like any of those things. I'm going to
have to now step in. I'm a little I'll tell
you this. I feel I should have been louder about
(04:37):
DHS Secretary Gnome was a horrible choice, and it was
an outrageously bad case of people might say Oh, it
doesn't matter really. How many deportations have we gotten done?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Really?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
How's our immigration stuff looking from the deportation perspective? And
how much time has been lost? And how anyway? So
I feel like I gave Trump because he's Trump and
he won. I was like, you know what, but his team,
his picks. Who am I? Who am I to judge?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Now?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I knew, I knew, and you all know that I
knew on this one, Clay, how's our whole ending of
the Ukraine war thing in one day going?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Not going?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
How's our hole getting Kim Jung un to open a
whole new universe of the talks with Trump?
Speaker 7 (05:19):
And ever?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, he's not firing off rocket. I'm not saying nothing
has been done or there's not concessions or whatever, but
hasn't happened. Okay, Russian Russian aggression against Ukraine is still ongoing.
I I am sorry. I'm feeling a little bit of
a spin coming from this White House on this where
they're saying, oh no, what they're saying in private, we'll.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
See, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Trump's redline is that they're gonna give up. They're going
to agree to formally remember to agree to give up.
The nuclear program comes with things like getting rid of
their enriched uranium, like allowing inspectors. You know, there are
actual processes. It's not just like, oh, yeah, we'll do
that and then they can lie about it, right, because
that wouldn't be acceptable either. They're not gonna do it, guys.
(06:07):
I mean, I hope I'm wrong. I'll come and I'll
tell you. I'll be like, oh, in two weeks, you
know what, they're gonna say. We're getting closer. We're getting close.
Great progress has been met. Jared Kushner is nailing this
thing down. Great progress has been made. Okay, we'll see.
Hopefully the straight opens. That's a big part of the clay.
But I think they will open the Straight because now
(06:27):
they're in the negotiation phase and that's their leverage against us.
That's why I think the end result, this is my prediction,
is going to be both sides agreed to just kind
of put down arms and leave things where they are.
And our argument is that Iran is agreed that they're
(06:48):
going to stop, and we think that the UH uranium
is underground and unreachable, and then Iran is saying to
their people, hey, you know they came for, and we
haven't given up anything.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That may be true.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
This is a little different from what we're talking about
in the first hour, Clay, I could see what you're
saying happen. But keep in mind that is not achieving
a non nuclear Iran and that is not what that
is though. But yes, but that what that allows.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
This is what I'm thinking is going to end up
being the end result, because the only other option is this, Like, right,
there are two options for how that thing ends. We
go on the ground with our you know, somebody who's
with our nerds who have to actually get the canisters. Right,
We go on the ground in Iran, with which there
(07:36):
was a report I think in a Wall Street journal
that we were considering doing this.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
We seize it all.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
We bring it back, we hold it up, and we're like,
we got it. Here it is and they can't use
this anymore. The other option, which I think I agree
with you on this is Iran just agrees to give
it to us. I can't foresee a world in which
Iran is humiliated enough to just hand over all of
(08:03):
the uranium and all of their literal physical capacity to
try to make nuclear weapons. Here's the other question that
I think is going to is going to loom large
here and that is something I bet again we're we're
(08:23):
going to get a good sign for what is the
public posture versus what is the private posture. Ships are
either going to come through or they're not. And if
the ships aren't coming through, then the argument of the
straight of hor moves as one hundred percent open is
not accurate. And we can determine that now the price
of oil and gas has come down twenty dollars, which
(08:45):
suggests that there is some optimism that the flow of
oil and gas is going to continue. But I think
that's a that's the number one trust but verify component
here is are the ships coming through? And that's what
I would want to see as the hey you can
be trusted component of this early stage negotiation with JD.
(09:08):
Vance Witcoffin Kushner headed to Pakistan.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I just these these Iranians, man, they're wily cats. These
guys know what I'm telling this.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
What they're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They're gonna say hold hold on a say and.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
They're gonna put out They're gonna use the mechanisms they
have to put out statements to whether it's you know,
through the running it through uh press in the Middle
East or wherever. I mean, they can just put it
on X for all, it doesn't doesn't matter. They'll say, hey,
hey guys, we open the straight we're negotiating, we're negotiating,
we're figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We're figuring it out.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
And then as a little bit of time moves on,
you know they're gonna say, they're gonna say, you know what, Trump,
you really don't want us to shut down this straight
with you guys having the midterms coming up, so you know,
I think they think the leverage has switched to their
side on this, I really do. And if we start bombing,
we're bombing them through fourth or July weekend this summer.
You think that's gonna be a good look. This was
(09:58):
promised to be four to see weeks. We are at
the deadline. This is where we are now, and we're
sending in Jared and Witkoff to Islamabad apparently to figure
this whole thing out via Pakistan.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I don't know, man, I think you're I think they're
going to open the straight up.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
But the point is they're going to open the straight
up and then they're gonna say, yeah, everything else stays.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Here's the larger issue. This is where I actually agree
with you one hundred percent. Midterms are an issue, but
let's move beyond. Let's actually think bigger picture, longer range.
Iran knows worst case scenario for them. Trump is out
in January of twenty nine. Who is the most likely
(10:39):
successor to Trump?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right now? JD? Vance?
Speaker 8 (10:42):
What did JD.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Vance argue in the New York Times past that came
out today that he didn't want to do anything to Iran?
If I'm a rane of leadership right now, I'm saying, hey,
two and a half years, it may be rough. Trump
may come after us, but if we get JD we
can work with JD. And by the way, Democrats and
we saw Bob a bit over backwards and gave butterfly
(11:04):
kisses to the Iranian leadership. So the concern is Trump's
the only bad guy they have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And it's only two and a half years.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Now you sound like now, you sound like an Iranian
bad guy who knows who he's selling his pistachios to.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know what I'm saying, year, I mean this is
this is the long range, and I do think the
advantage that evil dictators have is evil dictators can think
longer than a four year cycle or a six month cycle.
And this is why my argument for you know, this
is why I like kings. If you've got a good king,
(11:38):
you get him for like forty years, you know you've
got a good president. Even Socrates was like, the best
government is just having a perfect person in charge of everything.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Unfortunately there's no perfect person.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
But but Trump, the best possible person that we could have,
is only here for eight years. And my god, can
you imagine what will happen if Kamala Harris or Gavin
Newsom is in office in January of twenty nine. They're
not gonna do any thing. So that's the ultimate, I
think challenge that Trump has is two and a half.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Years is nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The older you get the last two and a half
years is And then you add on the religious fundamentalism,
and those guys thinking hundreds and thousands of years. That's
you know, they're thinking about conquering the world in twenty
eight hundred, not worrying about what the next three years
are going to look like.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
That's my beach face beard is getting a little longer.
His farsie is getting a little bit clearer, like he's
you're dude, I think you're you're edging at least towards
seeing I think how this can go sideways really fast.
Which is even even if you're right about the feelings
on the you know, the state of the negotiations right now,
let's just say there is some private there's so many.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Ways that this thing gets gets screwed up.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Now here's the I'll give you My biggest upside to
this is that how downside has been quite limited, that is,
and that's what the ending this thing now is. I
think the right move, but I think it's basically ending now,
and I think we walk away. They think they won,
we think we won, and this is the way this
thing moves forward. I don't think there's gonna be a
(13:12):
nuclear deal to the end of this. We didn't lose
hundreds or thousands of American soldiers fighting. We didn't get
into a six month or six year heaven forbid war
like this. This is manageable where it is now. So
that's to me the upside of this. But people are
gonna tell you if this is the end state where
we are right now, which is the straight opens and
there's negotiations going forward. That's not what the purpose of
(13:36):
this of this air campaign was just to be clear,
that's not maybe they're going to get there, and that
case great, I'll say they get there, but it was not,
we're going to negotiate more over this stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And the straight of horror moves is open.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
And we destroyed a lot of their military stuff, which
we did do and it was an amazing display of
American military power. But that is not what that is
not what this was all about. And I think that's
why the Israelis, by the way, are very about this
current situation.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And by the way, Lebanon is still going to become
an issue because they're still fighting going on there and
they're saying that's supposed to be a part of the ceasefire.
The other thing is and again I really encourage people
not always we say this, to read that New York
Times piece. Israel told Trump that there would be regime change,
meaning the Aya Tolas would be out if we did this. Now,
(14:25):
the Trump advisors Marco Rubio didn't buy it, according to
the reporting. Jad Vance didn't endorse this in any way.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
People listen to the show. Now, I've never bought it.
I've always been like, I don't think that's going to happen.
It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So Trump is now saying regime change is a new leader,
which technically is accurate, but it isn't a new democratic leader.
It's just a different religious fundamentalist.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
When you're talking with things like this, you don't want
it to turn into being clever with your comms. You
want it to be clear, mission accomplished, move on on
to other things like here at home. But we'll come
back into this. We'll play more of your talkbacks. We'll
get into more of this conversation.
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Speaker 5 (16:21):
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Speaker 1 (16:24):
Let's take some calls Greg in Orlando, Florida. Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Some people are saying it's a beautiful place, but Greg,
you'd know that better than anybody what's going on, Greg.
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So I love well, thank you so much, no problem.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
What I wanted to say or ask was with the
necessity of getting the straight of the harm moose open.
Why is that so important when such a small percentage
that actually hits our shores.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So that's actually a very interesting question.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
You go for a Clay.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, it's a great question from Greg, And we've been
talking a lot about this. Oil has a global marketplace,
and so the way to think about this is if
there are simplify, at ten barrels of oil on the market,
then the cost is going to be x. If there
are suddenly eight on the market, then because there's fewer
amounts of oil in the marketplace, the overall cost increases.
(17:26):
So it's a global supply. We don't have to rely
on that oil to arrive on our shores to be
able to put into our cars and trucks. But if
it isn't in the global marketplace, the overall price of
oil and gas increases, and so we want as much
free flow of oil and gas as possible. And then
(17:47):
you add in the fact that OPEC is a cartel
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Block, Sexton show Buck doing
a quick Fox News hits which you may see on
television in the near future, promoting his book. He'll be
back for the end of the program. But I did
want to hit a couple of these. Let's see cut thirty.
(19:14):
We told you this already, but JD. Van, Steve Witcopp,
Jared Kushner headed to Pakistan. That was announced by Caroline Levitt.
Cut thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I can announce that the President is dispatching his negotiating team,
led by the Vice President of the United States JD. Vance,
Special Envoy Witcoff, and mister Kushner to Islamabad for talks
this weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
The first round of those talks will take place on.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Saturday morning local time, and we know we look forward
to those in person meetings.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
Cut.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Let's see twenty nine as well. Caroline Levitt going after
a reporter over the question of moral high ground. This
is cut twenty nine.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Yesterday, the President threatened to destroy Iran's the entire civilization,
not the Iranian government, but the Iranian civilization, the Iranian people.
The US has been a moral leader for most of
its history by fighting wars against other governments, not against civilizations.
How can the president claim that America can ever have
(20:18):
the moral high ground if he's threatening to destroy civilizations
and not casting wars as fights against other governments.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Andrew, I think you should take a look at the
actions of this president over the course of the past
six weeks, and the actions of our brave men and
women in our United States military who have taken out
the essentially taken out the military of a rogue Islamic
regime that has chanted death to America for forty seven years.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
That has killed and maimed thousands.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Of American soldiers over the course of the last five decades.
The President absolutely has the moral high ground over the
Iranian terrorist regime, and for you to even suggest otherwise
is frankly insulting.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Very strong response there.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And remember stock market is soaring today, the oil and
gas prices are collapsing. Yesterday left wingers were telling you,
and some people on the right as well Oh my goodness,
President Trump's going.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
To lead us to nuclear war.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That was their talking point yesterday until a ceasefire was announced,
and then they flipped to, oh, Trump's a coward, he
won't follow through on anything. This is predicted. We told
you that that was likely going to happen here. But
it's just evidence of the fact that whatever the President does,
they're going to attack him. He's bellicost and suggests that
(21:36):
he's going to rain down holy hell on Iran. Oh
my goodness, he's going to nuclear He's gonna lead to
nuclear war. This is unacceptable. It is a moral, moral collapse.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Of American authority.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And then Trump says, hey, we've reached a ceasefire. And
the response on the left is, see, he's a coward,
he didn't act deployed nuclear bobs. They don't really have
an opinion. They're just anti Trump. And this is posted
by someone named I don't know him personally, Drew Pablo,
(22:12):
But I thought this was a good tweet and I
shared it a little bit earlier because some people are saying, oh,
my goodness, Iran won this war.
Speaker 8 (22:20):
Right, there are people out there that are saying.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Iran won the war and Drew Pablo here says, let's
flip the scenario for just a moment. Imagine Iran killed
Trump in the first five minutes of the war, established
air superiority over the US mainland, wiped out the entire
US Air Force, the US Navy, killed half of our cabinet,
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flattened the US military industrial complex, then started building runways
in Missouri to land Iranian troops on our soil without
losing a single casualty, to rescue one of the few
people that we had actually managed to shoot down. Would
anyone say that was a US victory? If we managed
(23:09):
to keep the Panama Canal closed somewhat, would anyone out
there be like, look at this huge strategic victory. I
do think it's important sometimes to flip the script and
analyze things. Thought that was well said by him, and
I think it contextualizes how much dishonesty you're going to get.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
I'll give you another one.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I watch on the quadbox every screen so that I
can see how stories are being covered CNN and MSNBC,
MS now they have constantly, constantly been sharing the price
of oil and gas, the impact of the stock market,
all of these things.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
As I am speaking to you.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Right now, the stock market is up around twelve hundred points,
the Dow, the S and P five hundred, up around
three percent, one of the most successful days imaginable on
the stock market. The price of oil and gas has
collapsed by nearly twenty dollars. There is not a ticker
showing both of those on CNN. Neither of those have
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been featured at all during the entirety of the show
that we have done today. Now, if you're going to
cover when negative things happen to the stock market or
when negative things meaning the price goes up of oil
and gas, if you were just an honest arbiter and
broker of how the overall market was responding, you would
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have to cover when things go really well and when
things go really poorly, because that's what an honest journalistic
enterprise would do. Neither CNN nor MSNBC is doing that.
They aren't showing anything positive in the market reactions right now. Instead,
they are continuing to lead with so many different negative
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stories out there. Even in the midst of all of this,
Jimmy in South Carolina has been waiting a little while.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Jimmy, what you got for us?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Hey? I appreciate you taking my call. Listen. One of
the things that I think that the American people are
not going to be able to stomach is if we
keep playing this wink wink. I think Trump needs to
go in. I love the President, but I think he
needs to go in and get the job done because
if we lose any troops in two weeks and then
he holds off and then again we lose troops, I
don't think the American people are going to stand for that.
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And the second thing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Is, well, hold on, let me ask let me pause
you there, Jimmy, what would you want to do? You'd
want to put boots on the ground, go seize the uranium.
What do you mean by finish the job? What would
you want him to do?
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Well? Whatever he has already in mind, what he was
going to do before he put this ceasefire on. You know,
I'm not a military expert, so I'm not going to,
you know, try to say I want him to go
in and annohilate him. I'm not, you know, warhogged like that.
But I just think that they have a game plan,
stick with it. Don't call an audible now on this,
because I don't think the American people are going to
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be able to go two weeks, we lose a troop
or two, and then another two weeks we wait, and
then then we lose some more troops. I think the
American people wanting to go ahead and do what he
That's what they voted him for. He's a man of
his work. He says what he means, and he means
what he says. And the second thing is we may
not be so lucky the next time. If they shoot
down a pilot, we may not be able to go
in and get him or her out, and that gives
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them a lot of leverage. So I just think that
we need to be careful. I need I think we
need to move forward and get the job done.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Thank you, let's listen.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I cliped this because I thought it was also indicative
of what you might be hearing if you are out
there in the larger marketplace. Laurence O'Donnell on MSNBC. To
be fair, I think it's officially MS now. He's upset
because Pete Hagsath keeps saying no man left behind when
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it could be a woman who is left behind. This
is what you would have heard if you were watching
MSNBC last night.
Speaker 10 (27:02):
That brilliant rescue was described by the Secretary of Defense
and by General Dan Kane, the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, as a longstanding American military rule of
never leaving anyone behind.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
We leave no man behind.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
That is, of course, the old school version of the idea,
back when only men flew American military planes. General Dan Caine,
the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put it
this way, we leave.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
No one behind.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
The General knows, unlike Pete Hagsath, that that could have
been a woman they were trying to rescue, and it
might be a woman the next time.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I just I can't believe this is real. And look,
this is why I'm very anti policing language, because it's
never done in good faith. Does Lawrence O'Donnell really think
that if this had been a woman in an airplane
that needed to be rescued, that Pete Hagseth would have
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not rescued her, That Donald Trump wouldn't have put all
of the United States military might behind ensuring that we
rescued no man left behind, No one left behind. It
just no man left behind flows way better than no
man or woman left behind. It's also a phrase that
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has been used for a very very long time in military.
Most people fighting in combat roles are still men. I
just of all of the things that you could be
upset about that you could decide that you need to
address the phrasing there, I think as indicative of how
Democrats have just frankly lost men and a lot of women.
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Is there a single woman in this audience offended by
the phrase no man left behind?
Speaker 8 (28:56):
That's where we are.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Look, we'll come back and we will play some more
of your talkbacks, and we will also finish off the
program with potentially a couple of year calls.
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Speaker 8 (30:59):
Volunt snorts a little fun thrown in there too, Clay
and Buck.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's a whole bot Welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Okay, let's get
into a bunch of your talkbacks. I love the degree
to which all of you fire away with these talkbacks,
and we have got a ton of them. Alan and Charleston,
South Carolina. Buck finishing up an event, but he agrees
with Buck, saying, what have we actually accomplished?
Speaker 8 (31:26):
Cut g Buck, you are.
Speaker 12 (31:28):
So right without regime change in Iran? Really, what have
we accomplished in the long term.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Nothing.
Speaker 12 (31:33):
They'll continue to lie, they'll rearm with ballistic missiles, they'll
get a nuclear warhead from North Korea or make one.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
They will, and.
Speaker 12 (31:41):
Their citizens will still be under the yoke of religious fanatics.
So tell me what's really changed, because until you get
the religious fanatics out of there, the Depth to America crowd,
we have not done anything.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Steve and Florida also says Buck's right, Cut Kay.
Speaker 13 (32:00):
Hey, guys, this is Steve Callin from Cape Coral in
the Free State of Florida. I agree with Buck, you
one hundred percent right. I'm as skeptical as you are
about this. I really hope that Clay is right. However,
my gut tells me that.
Speaker 14 (32:14):
It is not, and that the people that were negotiating
with over there, while they may be the single A
or double A third string, they're still part of the regime.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Jay in Kentucky says Buck's too pessimistic and I'm too optimistic.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Cut in.
Speaker 15 (32:34):
Thanks Jay from Kentucky. As a retired military officer, I
found myself usually agreeing with Buck on most issues, but
the ir Ran issue, I find him way too pessimistic
and underestimating our capabilities. Although I do find Clay too
optimistic and I feel it will be somewhere in the
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middle maybe torch Clay said.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Could I offer Clay that this could be? Now the Klay,
Travis and Buck section show, not too hot, not too cold,
just right there.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
You got the perfect porridge.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
A bunch more Tony in North Carolina says, and this
is something that I actually agree with, and we ended up.
I do think Iran is more willing to play the
long game. And that is one of the plays here
and Tony and North Carolina one oh six point one
FM says this.
Speaker 16 (33:29):
Play, you're killing me. You're looking at this through a
very American lens. They can endure the suffering more than
we can. Remember sun Zoo, know the enemy and know yourself.
You need not fear the results of one hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Battles going sun Zoo on us is uh is you know,
kind of playing the proverbial military intelligence trump cards.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
It's a lot of sun Zu and clouds of its
fans in this audience. I can tell you a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So so look, uh, we will see Uh. I guess
my position is I think we're gonna know a lot
by tomorrow. When it comes to the Strait of hor
moves how many ships are coming through. And remember, saying
it's open is different than people.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Trusting that it's open.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Because it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We'll say, you know, if you own one hundred million
dollar ship, your company does, or you are the CEO
sitting at the top of the flow chart who has
to make a decision do we go or not go?
That requires trust, right, and you have to believe that
the Iranians are being honest when the When or the Americans,
are anybody else you're negotiating with, when they say, hey,
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you're good to go, now, that's a little bit nerve wracking.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
My wife won't even trust the sell by date on
the chicken that's in the fridge if it has been
opened for a day or two such that I have
to I'm the smell I'm the smeller of the raw chicken.
Do you have this job to ever? I? I. She
won't trust the sell by I'm like honey to sell
by dates.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Fine.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
My wife saysn't trust that I can smell anything.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
She says, smell the chicken, and I say, okay, I'll
smell the chicken. My point is that's the kind of
precaution we take in this household. Unraw chicken. I can't
imagine moving god knows how many gallons of oil through
a war zone. That's risky stuff. It's not just enough
to be told it's okay. The sell by date may
not be good enough.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
It's hard to go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I would imagine on an oil tanker when you are
going through an active war zone and you know that
if somebody tosses a cigarette in the wrong direction. The
whole thing can go up and smoke, to say nothing
of what could happen with drone warfare in some way.
Let's close with a positive. Here, you've got some Parks
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and Rex fans. Buck cut b.
Speaker 17 (35:45):
This is Danny and Los Angeles. I just got home
from work put on the show, and in the third
hour I hear Buck drop a Parks and Rec reference
to the Reasonable Lists, which was a great throwback.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Buck.
Speaker 17 (35:58):
I have to admit that was very fun to listen to.
Speaker 18 (36:01):
And I don't think you looked like Ron Swanson, but
I think we can agree that the way Ron thinks
about government on that show, I think we can both
agree that's a nice.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Way to think about it.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Clay, can I just tell you a couple First of all, Danny,
thank you for the shout out on this one. I
learned about Parkston Rec because when I was assigned to
work in the Intel Division the NYPD, there was one
of my colleagues.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
That came off me.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
She's like, I feel like, you think this place does
nothing but fail. You're like the Ron Swanson of the
Intelligence Division. And I had no idea what she was
talking about. Also, people don't think I look like him.
They think I look like Adam Scott the other guy.
Oh yeah, is that really?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Is that real? Guys? Oh man, we're going out on
that one. Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Adam Scott, the golfer's really good looking. That's not a
bad masters is starting. That's somebody you could be compared to.
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
In Hour number three Wednesday edition, Clay and Buck show
a lot of different details, all coming down just recently
with Caroline Levitt in the White House Press briefing, and
I have got a series of these to update you
all with these. I believe these are in the order
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in which they were occurrent. And then we've got a
ton of your talkbacks that we will play and eight
hundred and two two two eight A two. We will
take some of your calls as well. Okay and Buck.
This is one of the big points of discussion we
got into in the first hour to what extent is
the public and private commentary different from Iran? How can
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you rely on what is being said? Caroline Levitt Cut
twenty six says that what Iran is saying publicly is
different from what they are saying privately.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Cut twenty six with respect to the first reporting out
of Iranian state media, the President was made aware of
those reports before I.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Came to the podium. That is completely unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And again this is a case of what they're saying
publicly is different privately. We have seen an uptick of
traffic in the Strait today and I will reiterate the
President's expectation and demand that the strait of Hermose is
reopened immediately, quickly and safely. That is his expectation. It
has been relayed to him privately that that is what's
taking place in these reports publicly are false.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay, this is an easy one that we can test buck.
Either there's going to be a lot of ships that
are coming through the state straight of Hormuz safely or
there's not. And if there's not, it's a pretty good
sign that that is dishonest, that they are actually still
curtailing traffic substantially.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
My sense also is that she's referring to also here
referring to the position that the Iranians are taking on
the deal points, and is that included in that response
there and.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
An additional we've got an additional cut on that, I think,
which is her saying the ten point request is just
not accurate.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And we will not agreeing that. Well.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
But this is where the public private dichotomy matters so much,
right because they're saying the White House is telling us, oh,
don't worry, behind closed doors, the Iranians are way more
compliant and willing to play ball on these things than
because what they put out to be clear, and we can.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I guess we might as well play this.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
What the Iranians put out is their deal position is
a giant extended finger in our direction. Is it is
a maximalist maximalist points on their side that they are
taking here.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
This is twenty eight. Here's Caroline Levitt on this.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I've seen a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Of inaccurate coverage today from the media about these negotiations
and these plans already. To let me be clear and
correct the record, The Iranians originally put forward a ten
point plan that was fundamentally unserious, unaccepted, and completely discarded.
It was literally thrown in the garbage by President Trump
and his negotiating team. Many outlets in this room have
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falsely reported on that plan as being acceptable to the
United States, and that is false. With the President's deadline
fast approaching in the United States military completely decimating Iran
with each passing hour, the regime acknowledged reality to the
negotiating team. They put forward a more reasonable and entirely
different and condensed plan to the President and his team.
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President Trump and the team determined the new modified plan
was a workable basis on which to negotiate and to
align it with our own fifteen point proposal. The President's
red lines, namely the end of Iranian enrichment in Iran,
have not changed, and the idea that President Trump would
ever accept an Iranian wish list as.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
A deal is completely absurd.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I don't think anyone, well, I mean recently haven't. I
haven't seen anyone say that the ten points put forward
by Iran were accepted by the way House. So I
think that's a little bit of a red herring. No
one's saying that we've agreed to that. Not even CNN
or New York Times as saying we've agreed to that,
but that is what was put out there. Look, everyone,
we are very pro Trump and very pro America, and
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very pro humanity in these matters. Here claim I can
certainly agree on anti death, anti anti death, anti innocent
people suffering, anti chaos, mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together.
We don't like any of those things. I'm going to
have to now step in. I'm a little I'll tell
you this. I feel I should have been louder about
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DHS Secretary Gnome was a horrible choice, and it was
an outrageously bad case of people might say Oh, it
doesn't matter really. How many deportations have we gotten done?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Really?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
How's our immigration stuff looking from the deportation perspective? And
how much time has been lost? And how anyway? So
I feel like I gave Trump because he's Trump and
he won. I was like, you know what, but his team,
his picks. Who am I? Who am I to judge?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Now?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I knew, I knew, and you all know that I
knew on this one, Clay, how's our whole ending of
the Ukraine war thing in one day going?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Not going?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
How's our hole getting Kim Jung un to open a
whole new universe of the talks with Trump?
Speaker 7 (05:19):
And ever?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, he's not firing off rocket. I'm not saying nothing
has been done or there's not concessions or whatever, but
hasn't happened. Okay, Russian Russian aggression against Ukraine is still ongoing.
I I am sorry. I'm feeling a little bit of
a spin coming from this White House on this where
they're saying, oh no, what they're saying in private, we'll.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
See, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Trump's redline is that they're gonna give up. They're going
to agree to formally remember to agree to give up.
The nuclear program comes with things like getting rid of
their enriched uranium, like allowing inspectors. You know, there are
actual processes. It's not just like, oh, yeah, we'll do
that and then they can lie about it, right, because
that wouldn't be acceptable either. They're not gonna do it, guys.
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I mean, I hope I'm wrong. I'll come and I'll
tell you. I'll be like, oh, in two weeks, you
know what, they're gonna say. We're getting closer. We're getting close.
Great progress has been met. Jared Kushner is nailing this
thing down. Great progress has been made. Okay, we'll see.
Hopefully the straight opens. That's a big part of the clay.
But I think they will open the Straight because now
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they're in the negotiation phase and that's their leverage against us.
That's why I think the end result, this is my prediction,
is going to be both sides agreed to just kind
of put down arms and leave things where they are.
And our argument is that Iran is agreed that they're
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going to stop, and we think that the UH uranium
is underground and unreachable, and then Iran is saying to
their people, hey, you know they came for, and we
haven't given up anything.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That may be true.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
This is a little different from what we're talking about
in the first hour, Clay, I could see what you're
saying happen. But keep in mind that is not achieving
a non nuclear Iran and that is not what that
is though. But yes, but that what that allows.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
This is what I'm thinking is going to end up
being the end result, because the only other option is this, Like, right,
there are two options for how that thing ends. We
go on the ground with our you know, somebody who's
with our nerds who have to actually get the canisters. Right,
We go on the ground in Iran, with which there
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was a report I think in a Wall Street journal
that we were considering doing this.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
We seize it all.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
We bring it back, we hold it up, and we're like,
we got it. Here it is and they can't use
this anymore. The other option, which I think I agree
with you on this is Iran just agrees to give
it to us. I can't foresee a world in which
Iran is humiliated enough to just hand over all of
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the uranium and all of their literal physical capacity to
try to make nuclear weapons. Here's the other question that
I think is going to is going to loom large
here and that is something I bet again we're we're
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going to get a good sign for what is the
public posture versus what is the private posture. Ships are
either going to come through or they're not. And if
the ships aren't coming through, then the argument of the
straight of hor moves as one hundred percent open is
not accurate. And we can determine that now the price
of oil and gas has come down twenty dollars, which
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suggests that there is some optimism that the flow of
oil and gas is going to continue. But I think
that's a that's the number one trust but verify component
here is are the ships coming through? And that's what
I would want to see as the hey you can
be trusted component of this early stage negotiation with JD.
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Vance Witcoffin Kushner headed to Pakistan.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I just these these Iranians, man, they're wily cats. These
guys know what I'm telling this.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
What they're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They're gonna say hold hold on a say and.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
They're gonna put out They're gonna use the mechanisms they
have to put out statements to whether it's you know,
through the running it through uh press in the Middle
East or wherever. I mean, they can just put it
on X for all, it doesn't doesn't matter. They'll say, hey,
hey guys, we open the straight we're negotiating, we're negotiating,
we're figuring it out.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
We're figuring it out.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
And then as a little bit of time moves on,
you know they're gonna say, they're gonna say, you know what, Trump,
you really don't want us to shut down this straight
with you guys having the midterms coming up, so you know,
I think they think the leverage has switched to their
side on this, I really do. And if we start bombing,
we're bombing them through fourth or July weekend this summer.
You think that's gonna be a good look. This was
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promised to be four to see weeks. We are at
the deadline. This is where we are now, and we're
sending in Jared and Witkoff to Islamabad apparently to figure
this whole thing out via Pakistan.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I don't know, man, I think you're I think they're
going to open the straight up.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
But the point is they're going to open the straight
up and then they're gonna say, yeah, everything else stays.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Here's the larger issue. This is where I actually agree
with you one hundred percent. Midterms are an issue, but
let's move beyond. Let's actually think bigger picture, longer range.
Iran knows worst case scenario for them. Trump is out
in January of twenty nine. Who is the most likely
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successor to Trump?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right now? JD? Vance?
Speaker 8 (10:42):
What did JD.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Vance argue in the New York Times past that came
out today that he didn't want to do anything to Iran?
If I'm a rane of leadership right now, I'm saying, hey,
two and a half years, it may be rough. Trump
may come after us, but if we get JD we
can work with JD. And by the way, Democrats and
we saw Bob a bit over backwards and gave butterfly
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kisses to the Iranian leadership. So the concern is Trump's
the only bad guy they have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And it's only two and a half years.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Now you sound like now, you sound like an Iranian
bad guy who knows who he's selling his pistachios to.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know what I'm saying, year, I mean this is
this is the long range, and I do think the
advantage that evil dictators have is evil dictators can think
longer than a four year cycle or a six month cycle.
And this is why my argument for you know, this
is why I like kings. If you've got a good king,
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you get him for like forty years, you know you've
got a good president. Even Socrates was like, the best
government is just having a perfect person in charge of everything.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Unfortunately there's no perfect person.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
But but Trump, the best possible person that we could have,
is only here for eight years. And my god, can
you imagine what will happen if Kamala Harris or Gavin
Newsom is in office in January of twenty nine. They're
not gonna do any thing. So that's the ultimate, I
think challenge that Trump has is two and a half.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Years is nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The older you get the last two and a half
years is And then you add on the religious fundamentalism,
and those guys thinking hundreds and thousands of years. That's
you know, they're thinking about conquering the world in twenty
eight hundred, not worrying about what the next three years
are going to look like.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
That's my beach face beard is getting a little longer.
His farsie is getting a little bit clearer, like he's
you're dude, I think you're you're edging at least towards
seeing I think how this can go sideways really fast.
Which is even even if you're right about the feelings
on the you know, the state of the negotiations right now,
let's just say there is some private there's so many.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Ways that this thing gets gets screwed up.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Now here's the I'll give you My biggest upside to
this is that how downside has been quite limited, that is,
and that's what the ending this thing now is. I
think the right move, but I think it's basically ending now,
and I think we walk away. They think they won,
we think we won, and this is the way this
thing moves forward. I don't think there's gonna be a
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nuclear deal to the end of this. We didn't lose
hundreds or thousands of American soldiers fighting. We didn't get
into a six month or six year heaven forbid war
like this. This is manageable where it is now. So
that's to me the upside of this. But people are
gonna tell you if this is the end state where
we are right now, which is the straight opens and
there's negotiations going forward. That's not what the purpose of
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this of this air campaign was just to be clear,
that's not maybe they're going to get there, and that
case great, I'll say they get there, but it was not,
we're going to negotiate more over this stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And the straight of horror moves is open.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
And we destroyed a lot of their military stuff, which
we did do and it was an amazing display of
American military power. But that is not what that is
not what this was all about. And I think that's
why the Israelis, by the way, are very about this
current situation.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And by the way, Lebanon is still going to become
an issue because they're still fighting going on there and
they're saying that's supposed to be a part of the ceasefire.
The other thing is and again I really encourage people
not always we say this, to read that New York
Times piece. Israel told Trump that there would be regime change,
meaning the Aya Tolas would be out if we did this. Now,
(14:25):
the Trump advisors Marco Rubio didn't buy it, according to
the reporting. Jad Vance didn't endorse this in any way.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
People listen to the show. Now, I've never bought it.
I've always been like, I don't think that's going to happen.
It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So Trump is now saying regime change is a new leader,
which technically is accurate, but it isn't a new democratic leader.
It's just a different religious fundamentalist.
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When you're talking with things like this, you don't want
it to turn into being clever with your comms. You
want it to be clear, mission accomplished, move on on
to other things like here at home. But we'll come
back into this. We'll play more of your talkbacks. We'll
get into more of this conversation.
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Speaker 1 (16:24):
Let's take some calls Greg in Orlando, Florida. Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Some people are saying it's a beautiful place, but Greg,
you'd know that better than anybody what's going on, Greg.
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So I love well, thank you so much, no problem.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
What I wanted to say or ask was with the
necessity of getting the straight of the harm moose open.
Why is that so important when such a small percentage
that actually hits our shores.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So that's actually a very interesting question.
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
You go for a Clay.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, it's a great question from Greg, And we've been
talking a lot about this. Oil has a global marketplace,
and so the way to think about this is if
there are simplify, at ten barrels of oil on the market,
then the cost is going to be x. If there
are suddenly eight on the market, then because there's fewer
amounts of oil in the marketplace, the overall cost increases.
(17:26):
So it's a global supply. We don't have to rely
on that oil to arrive on our shores to be
able to put into our cars and trucks. But if
it isn't in the global marketplace, the overall price of
oil and gas increases, and so we want as much
free flow of oil and gas as possible. And then
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you add in the fact that OPEC is a cartel
and they can control the distribution of oil and gas,
and we've had good relations with them, but that is
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Block, Sexton show Buck doing
a quick Fox News hits which you may see on
television in the near future, promoting his book. He'll be
back for the end of the program. But I did
want to hit a couple of these. Let's see cut thirty.
(19:14):
We told you this already, but JD. Van, Steve Witcopp,
Jared Kushner headed to Pakistan. That was announced by Caroline Levitt.
Cut thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I can announce that the President is dispatching his negotiating team,
led by the Vice President of the United States JD. Vance,
Special Envoy Witcoff, and mister Kushner to Islamabad for talks
this weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
The first round of those talks will take place on.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Saturday morning local time, and we know we look forward
to those in person meetings.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
Cut.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Let's see twenty nine as well. Caroline Levitt going after
a reporter over the question of moral high ground. This
is cut twenty nine.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Yesterday, the President threatened to destroy Iran's the entire civilization,
not the Iranian government, but the Iranian civilization, the Iranian people.
The US has been a moral leader for most of
its history by fighting wars against other governments, not against civilizations.
How can the president claim that America can ever have
(20:18):
the moral high ground if he's threatening to destroy civilizations
and not casting wars as fights against other governments.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Andrew, I think you should take a look at the
actions of this president over the course of the past
six weeks, and the actions of our brave men and
women in our United States military who have taken out
the essentially taken out the military of a rogue Islamic
regime that has chanted death to America for forty seven years.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
That has killed and maimed thousands.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Of American soldiers over the course of the last five decades.
The President absolutely has the moral high ground over the
Iranian terrorist regime, and for you to even suggest otherwise
is frankly insulting.
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Very strong response there.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And remember stock market is soaring today, the oil and
gas prices are collapsing. Yesterday left wingers were telling you,
and some people on the right as well Oh my goodness,
President Trump's going.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
To lead us to nuclear war.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That was their talking point yesterday until a ceasefire was announced,
and then they flipped to, oh, Trump's a coward, he
won't follow through on anything. This is predicted. We told
you that that was likely going to happen here. But
it's just evidence of the fact that whatever the President does,
they're going to attack him. He's bellicost and suggests that
(21:36):
he's going to rain down holy hell on Iran. Oh
my goodness, he's going to nuclear He's gonna lead to
nuclear war. This is unacceptable. It is a moral, moral collapse.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Of American authority.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And then Trump says, hey, we've reached a ceasefire. And
the response on the left is, see, he's a coward,
he didn't act deployed nuclear bobs. They don't really have
an opinion. They're just anti Trump. And this is posted
by someone named I don't know him personally, Drew Pablo,
(22:12):
But I thought this was a good tweet and I
shared it a little bit earlier because some people are saying, oh,
my goodness, Iran won this war.
Speaker 8 (22:20):
Right, there are people out there that are saying.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Iran won the war and Drew Pablo here says, let's
flip the scenario for just a moment. Imagine Iran killed
Trump in the first five minutes of the war, established
air superiority over the US mainland, wiped out the entire
US Air Force, the US Navy, killed half of our cabinet,
(22:46):
flattened the US military industrial complex, then started building runways
in Missouri to land Iranian troops on our soil without
losing a single casualty, to rescue one of the few
people that we had actually managed to shoot down. Would
anyone say that was a US victory? If we managed
(23:09):
to keep the Panama Canal closed somewhat, would anyone out
there be like, look at this huge strategic victory. I
do think it's important sometimes to flip the script and
analyze things. Thought that was well said by him, and
I think it contextualizes how much dishonesty you're going to get.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
I'll give you another one.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I watch on the quadbox every screen so that I
can see how stories are being covered CNN and MSNBC,
MS now they have constantly, constantly been sharing the price
of oil and gas, the impact of the stock market,
all of these things.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
As I am speaking to you.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Right now, the stock market is up around twelve hundred points,
the Dow, the S and P five hundred, up around
three percent, one of the most successful days imaginable on
the stock market. The price of oil and gas has
collapsed by nearly twenty dollars. There is not a ticker
showing both of those on CNN. Neither of those have
(24:14):
been featured at all during the entirety of the show
that we have done today. Now, if you're going to
cover when negative things happen to the stock market or
when negative things meaning the price goes up of oil
and gas, if you were just an honest arbiter and
broker of how the overall market was responding, you would
(24:35):
have to cover when things go really well and when
things go really poorly, because that's what an honest journalistic
enterprise would do. Neither CNN nor MSNBC is doing that.
They aren't showing anything positive in the market reactions right now. Instead,
they are continuing to lead with so many different negative
(24:59):
stories out there. Even in the midst of all of this,
Jimmy in South Carolina has been waiting a little while.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Jimmy, what you got for us?
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Hey? I appreciate you taking my call. Listen. One of
the things that I think that the American people are
not going to be able to stomach is if we
keep playing this wink wink. I think Trump needs to
go in. I love the President, but I think he
needs to go in and get the job done because
if we lose any troops in two weeks and then
he holds off and then again we lose troops, I
don't think the American people are going to stand for that.
(25:27):
And the second thing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Is, well, hold on, let me ask let me pause
you there, Jimmy, what would you want to do? You'd
want to put boots on the ground, go seize the uranium.
What do you mean by finish the job? What would
you want him to do?
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Well? Whatever he has already in mind, what he was
going to do before he put this ceasefire on. You know,
I'm not a military expert, so I'm not going to,
you know, try to say I want him to go
in and annohilate him. I'm not, you know, warhogged like that.
But I just think that they have a game plan,
stick with it. Don't call an audible now on this,
because I don't think the American people are going to
(26:02):
be able to go two weeks, we lose a troop
or two, and then another two weeks we wait, and
then then we lose some more troops. I think the
American people wanting to go ahead and do what he
That's what they voted him for. He's a man of
his work. He says what he means, and he means
what he says. And the second thing is we may
not be so lucky the next time. If they shoot
down a pilot, we may not be able to go
in and get him or her out, and that gives
(26:23):
them a lot of leverage. So I just think that
we need to be careful. I need I think we
need to move forward and get the job done.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Thank you, let's listen.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I cliped this because I thought it was also indicative
of what you might be hearing if you are out
there in the larger marketplace. Laurence O'Donnell on MSNBC. To
be fair, I think it's officially MS now. He's upset
because Pete Hagsath keeps saying no man left behind when
(26:56):
it could be a woman who is left behind. This
is what you would have heard if you were watching
MSNBC last night.
Speaker 10 (27:02):
That brilliant rescue was described by the Secretary of Defense
and by General Dan Kane, the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, as a longstanding American military rule of
never leaving anyone behind.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
We leave no man behind.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
That is, of course, the old school version of the idea,
back when only men flew American military planes. General Dan Caine,
the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put it
this way, we leave.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
No one behind.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
The General knows, unlike Pete Hagsath, that that could have
been a woman they were trying to rescue, and it
might be a woman the next time.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I just I can't believe this is real. And look,
this is why I'm very anti policing language, because it's
never done in good faith. Does Lawrence O'Donnell really think
that if this had been a woman in an airplane
that needed to be rescued, that Pete Hagseth would have
(28:04):
not rescued her, That Donald Trump wouldn't have put all
of the United States military might behind ensuring that we
rescued no man left behind, No one left behind. It
just no man left behind flows way better than no
man or woman left behind. It's also a phrase that
(28:25):
has been used for a very very long time in military.
Most people fighting in combat roles are still men. I
just of all of the things that you could be
upset about that you could decide that you need to
address the phrasing there, I think as indicative of how
Democrats have just frankly lost men and a lot of women.
(28:49):
Is there a single woman in this audience offended by
the phrase no man left behind?
Speaker 8 (28:56):
That's where we are.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
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of your talkbacks, and we will also finish off the
program with potentially a couple of year calls.
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Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's a whole bot Welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Okay, let's get
into a bunch of your talkbacks. I love the degree
to which all of you fire away with these talkbacks,
and we have got a ton of them. Alan and Charleston,
South Carolina. Buck finishing up an event, but he agrees
with Buck, saying, what have we actually accomplished?
Speaker 8 (31:26):
Cut g Buck, you are.
Speaker 12 (31:28):
So right without regime change in Iran? Really, what have
we accomplished in the long term.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Nothing.
Speaker 12 (31:33):
They'll continue to lie, they'll rearm with ballistic missiles, they'll
get a nuclear warhead from North Korea or make one.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
They will, and.
Speaker 12 (31:41):
Their citizens will still be under the yoke of religious fanatics.
So tell me what's really changed, because until you get
the religious fanatics out of there, the Depth to America crowd,
we have not done anything.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Steve and Florida also says Buck's right, Cut Kay.
Speaker 13 (32:00):
Hey, guys, this is Steve Callin from Cape Coral in
the Free State of Florida. I agree with Buck, you
one hundred percent right. I'm as skeptical as you are
about this. I really hope that Clay is right. However,
my gut tells me that.
Speaker 14 (32:14):
It is not, and that the people that were negotiating
with over there, while they may be the single A
or double A third string, they're still part of the regime.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Jay in Kentucky says Buck's too pessimistic and I'm too optimistic.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Cut in.
Speaker 15 (32:34):
Thanks Jay from Kentucky. As a retired military officer, I
found myself usually agreeing with Buck on most issues, but
the ir Ran issue, I find him way too pessimistic
and underestimating our capabilities. Although I do find Clay too
optimistic and I feel it will be somewhere in the
(32:56):
middle maybe torch Clay said.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Could I offer Clay that this could be? Now the Klay,
Travis and Buck section show, not too hot, not too cold,
just right there.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
You got the perfect porridge.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
A bunch more Tony in North Carolina says, and this
is something that I actually agree with, and we ended up.
I do think Iran is more willing to play the
long game. And that is one of the plays here
and Tony and North Carolina one oh six point one
FM says this.
Speaker 16 (33:29):
Play, you're killing me. You're looking at this through a
very American lens. They can endure the suffering more than
we can. Remember sun Zoo, know the enemy and know yourself.
You need not fear the results of one hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Battles going sun Zoo on us is uh is you know,
kind of playing the proverbial military intelligence trump cards.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
It's a lot of sun Zu and clouds of its
fans in this audience. I can tell you a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So so look, uh, we will see Uh. I guess
my position is I think we're gonna know a lot
by tomorrow. When it comes to the Strait of hor
moves how many ships are coming through. And remember, saying
it's open is different than people.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Trusting that it's open.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Because it's a good point.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We'll say, you know, if you own one hundred million
dollar ship, your company does, or you are the CEO
sitting at the top of the flow chart who has
to make a decision do we go or not go?
That requires trust, right, and you have to believe that
the Iranians are being honest when the When or the Americans,
are anybody else you're negotiating with, when they say, hey,
(34:38):
you're good to go, now, that's a little bit nerve wracking.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
My wife won't even trust the sell by date on
the chicken that's in the fridge if it has been
opened for a day or two such that I have
to I'm the smell I'm the smeller of the raw chicken.
Do you have this job to ever? I? I. She
won't trust the sell by I'm like honey to sell
by dates.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Fine.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
My wife saysn't trust that I can smell anything.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
She says, smell the chicken, and I say, okay, I'll
smell the chicken. My point is that's the kind of
precaution we take in this household. Unraw chicken. I can't
imagine moving god knows how many gallons of oil through
a war zone. That's risky stuff. It's not just enough
to be told it's okay. The sell by date may
not be good enough.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
It's hard to go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I would imagine on an oil tanker when you are
going through an active war zone and you know that
if somebody tosses a cigarette in the wrong direction. The
whole thing can go up and smoke, to say nothing
of what could happen with drone warfare in some way.
Let's close with a positive. Here, you've got some Parks
(35:43):
and Rex fans. Buck cut b.
Speaker 17 (35:45):
This is Danny and Los Angeles. I just got home
from work put on the show, and in the third
hour I hear Buck drop a Parks and Rec reference
to the Reasonable Lists, which was a great throwback.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Buck.
Speaker 17 (35:58):
I have to admit that was very fun to listen to.
Speaker 18 (36:01):
And I don't think you looked like Ron Swanson, but
I think we can agree that the way Ron thinks
about government on that show, I think we can both
agree that's a nice.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Way to think about it.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Clay, can I just tell you a couple First of all, Danny,
thank you for the shout out on this one. I
learned about Parkston Rec because when I was assigned to
work in the Intel Division the NYPD, there was one
of my colleagues.
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That came off me.
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She's like, I feel like, you think this place does
nothing but fail. You're like the Ron Swanson of the
Intelligence Division. And I had no idea what she was
talking about. Also, people don't think I look like him.
They think I look like Adam Scott the other guy.
Oh yeah, is that really?
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Is that real? Guys? Oh man, we're going out on
that one. Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Adam Scott, the golfer's really good looking. That's not a
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