July 9, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featured a wide-ranging discussion centered on media commentary, the Maine Senate race, free speech in political media, housing policy, and extensive coverage of the ongoing preliminary hearing in the Tyler Robinson case involving the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton were joined by conservative columnist and commentator Ann Coulter, who weighed in on several of the hour’s biggest political stories while also discussing the state of modern media and public debate.
The hour opened with a discussion about media culture and political commentary, with Coulter arguing that many television analysts and journalists avoid taking strong positions because there is little penalty for being wrong as long as they remain aligned with establishment opinion. The conversation focused on what the hosts see as a growing reluctance among political commentators to express controversial views and how that dynamic has affected trust in traditional media outlets. Coulter reflected on her own experiences in political and legal commentary, while Clay and Buck discussed the difference between opinion-based analysis and what they view as consensus-driven reporting.
A major segment examined the continuing fallout from Graham Platner’s withdrawal from the Maine U.S. Senate race. Coulter argued that Democratic Party leaders effectively boxed Platner out by threatening to withhold funding, polling resources, and organizational support. The discussion explored the political damage done to Maine Democrats, possible replacement candidates, and what the controversy could mean for incumbent Senator Susan Collins. Clay and Buck revisited broader questions surrounding party control over nominations, comparing the situation to previous Democratic nomination controversies and debating whether voter preferences are being overridden by party leadership.
The conversation also expanded into broader issues involving sexual misconduct allegations, due process, statutes of limitations, and media treatment of political scandals. Coulter criticized lengthy statutes of limitations for adult sexual assault cases and discussed the challenges of proving allegations many years after the alleged events. The hosts debated whether accusations alone should be enough to force political candidates from races and questioned how public perception, media coverage, and legal standards often intersect in high-profile political controversies.
Another significant topic was Coulter’s criticism of a bipartisan federal housing bill that she argued would expand Section 8 housing programs and create unintended consequences for suburban and middle-class communities. She contended that government housing policies have historically contributed to neighborhood decline and criticized what she described as failed assumptions behind social engineering efforts tied to housing policy. The hosts explored the legislation’s passage in Congress, the political support it received from both parties, and concerns about government intervention in local housing markets and community development.
The most detailed and lengthy portion of Hour 3 focused on the ongoing Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing tied to the killing of Charlie Kirk. Clay and Buck reviewed newly revealed evidence and testimony being presented in court, including statements from Robinson’s former romantic partner. They discussed testimony regarding Robinson’s political beliefs, alleged hostility toward President Donald Trump, his behavior before and after the shooting, alleged admissions concerning the killing, and claims involving messages engraved on ammunition prior to the attack. The hosts repeatedly emphasized what they characterized as extensive evidence connecting Robinson to the crime, including witness statements, digital evidence, physical evidence, and alleged confessions.
Clay and Buck also addressed what they described as growing online conspiracy theories surrounding the Charlie Kirk assassination. They argued that many alternative explanations fail to account for the volume of evidence presented during the hearing and questioned who would benefit from the elaborate conspiracies being advanced online. The hosts discussed the tendency of internet-driven speculation to fill information gaps and contrasted those theories with what they argue is a substantial body of documentary, forensic, and testimonial evidence supporting the case against Robinson. The broader discussion examined how public distrust fueled by events such as the COVID-19 pandemic has made some audiences more receptive to conspiracy theories across a variety of subjects.
Another recurring theme throughout Hour 3 involved financial literacy and investing, continuing a discussion from earlier in the program. The hosts highlighted listener stories about long-term saving and compound interest,
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number three Clay and Buck Show
Thursday edition of the program, continuing to track the grand
Platner dropping out of the main Senate race story, the
Iran strikes Tyler Robinson hearing that is going on right
now and more our good friend and culter is bought in,
brought in now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Many of you will say you love her.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Many of you will also say immediately after this or
during this interview that you hate her. That is probably
a good sign for someone that is in the opinion business.
And I told Buck yesterday, I think when she when
he said, hey, we're gonna have a hand on, I said,
I love And because she actually says things, is it
just me or are there there Obviously there's lots of
(00:42):
morons that say things on the view, but it seems
like a lot of people are kind of afraid to
have actual opinions.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Do you get that sense where like you watch somebody
on television and they just basically are the most bland
Like I think people are afraid of being wrong and
so they don't actually say what they really think anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yes, you know, the first time I noticed this, this
is going way back was during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
That was when I started on TV, I guess, and
I thought it was so weird. I'd gone to the
Supreme Court argument on Paula Jones, and I thought it
was strange that all of the legal commentators, including you know,
Linda Greenhouse at the New York Times, whoever it was
(01:22):
at the Washington Post. I forgot Scalia had a funny
name for her. But any event, they were all saying,
the Court's gonna split the baby. They'll say the suit
can go forward, but you have to wait until Clinton's
out of office. And that wasn't my read at all.
I definitely thought Paula Jones was gonna win, and she won.
I think it was nine zero. And that's when I
(01:43):
noticed there's no payback. I mean, the next day I'm
on TV with the exact same legal commentators as if
you know, they are Zarathustra here, and I realized it's
just the protection of the crowd. If everyone's wrong, no
one can say, oh man, look at that prediction you made,
but you never get credit.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
For being right.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I worked at CNNN for a couple of years on
the conservative commentary side, so it was essentially like being
the person to pin the tail on the donkey like
I was the donkey. I mean, they were just all
like trying to stab me with the donkey tail all
the time.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It wasn't fun.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
But the same thing was true there where they would
have people who would say the most moronic things about
the most obvious things. But I think it's really just
a cheerleading function that everyone knows they're supposed to, which
is why these media outlets, I think have lost so
much in terms of support and haft and gravitass. Okay Platner,
I want to get you on Platner right away. Here
Clay and I both took a similar position on the
(02:41):
similar position on this. I prefer when Clay disagrees with me,
because then he's wrong and I can beat up on him.
But it looks like we were kind of both kind
of both wrong on this, and so far as we're like, look,
I'm if I am Platner, I wouldn't drop out because
now it's you've destroyed your reputation. What do you think
about the decision, and also what do you think about
the Senate race now?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, obviously I'm disappointed that Platner dropped out, as I'm
sure you guys have pointed out he.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Was falling in the polls. Too much had been coming out.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He was going to lose to Susan Collins, who's very
popular in Maine and by the way, the true working
class candidate. But that's water under the bridge. I kind
of thought he would drop out because when when the
National Party says, we're not giving you any of our
polling data, we're not giving you any money, it would
have been an absolute blowout against him. They had him,
(03:37):
they had him in a corner. There was nothing else
he could do. And I don't think I mean, as
for the race, I think Collins is sitting pretty you
look at the other ones. And also, this is just
kind of a black eye for main Democrats, not only
the voters but the party.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's it's it's humiliating.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
How does Janet Mills and how does Janet Mills if
she steps in Now she's the second choice after the
Nazi tattoo rapist guy, alleged alleged rapist guy. You know
that's not a good place to be.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I don't think she'll be the candidate. I mean, most likely,
my guest, my guess is would be that guy.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Something.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Troy the one that Sanders has endorsed. And this is
the important thing about him. He's the only as far
as I can tell, of all the candidates they're looking at,
I think he's the only straight white male. And my
lesson from the whole Platiner thing is any straight white
male in America who is still a Democrat is some
(04:38):
sort of weird out.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's gonna come out.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I actually agree with that, and I'll come back to that.
By the way, this is news that just came out.
A couple of minutes ago. Buck And and Graham Platner
privately told staff he's planning to officially file paperwork to
end his Senate campaign on Monday, the drop dead deadline
for him to egg at the race. That makes me think, guys,
(05:04):
that he's waiting for a check to clear, because that's
the kind of move I mean to wait till Monday,
or he's just gonna say psych you guys were mean
to me. I'm staying in. I would be a little
bit nervous about this. What do you think, Ann Like,
you've got the law background. You were just talking about
being in the Supreme Court. I know me too. Was
(05:24):
absolutely bonkers and insane. Buck and I were looking up
you know, there's now a twenty I don't know if
grand Platner is going to be charged with any crime
with these allegations. Maine is one of many states now
and that has a twenty year statute of limitations for
sexual assault. Twenty years, which is just crazy, given that
(05:46):
most of the time this is a man and a
woman disputing what actually happened, and the idea that there's
any way to prove something that happened twenty years in
either direction, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Are we gonna fin hagree?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
She should be twenty years for a child if you're
a minor, Okay, I mean, and I don't even know
if it's twenty years, but a certain number of years
after the child reaches the majority. But obviously it's traumatic
a little a few years onto that. But for an
adult twenty years, that's just damnic Lee's sword hanging over
your head.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, okay, So second part of that, we're in a
world where I do give credit to some people out there,
like obviously Trump was able to ride out all these
accusations when somebody says, hey, you did something, and there
it's just he said she said, like this. Are we
(06:39):
ever going to move away from the media reaction being
in some way, Hey, you need to drop out, because
I said, Democrat, Republican, Independent, that the voters decide. The
voters decided here. One hundred and fifty six thousand of
them went out and voted for Graham Platner. Over two
hundred thousand people voted in the Democrat primary. And the
Democrats are pulling a Kamala Biden all over again, as
(07:01):
Buck pointed out, they're pulling Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders
all over again. They're just letting the elites decide. Even
if the will of the voter is completely different. Will
that matter in this race like it might have mattered
in Kamala Biden.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, in their defense, the voters voted for someone about
whom I don't know. Sixteen scandals hadn't come out yet,
and scandal let me call them scandal EETs. I don't
think any one of these things would have killed him.
It was just this steady drip drip, and they keep
asking him is there anything else?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It doesn't have to be a crime, it doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
To be And as per your points about me too,
I mean this latest one, it was a drunken rape.
And I think having sex forcing your girlfriend to have
sex when drunk is different from rape. I mean a
stranger leaping out, pulling you into the bushes and raping you.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's a bad thing. He's a jerk.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But the fact that she says, and I know this
will be very unpopular, but the fact that, by her
own account, she said to him, I think that night
and the next morning, do you know what happened? Do
you know what you just did? Do you know what
happened last night? And he said no, he had no. Okay,
he's a blackout drunk. He's a monster when he's drunk.
This is really it's very bad behavior. But I hate
(08:17):
referring to it as rape, since I think rape is
really really, really serious.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And just one other thing on me too, and Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You have probably gone over this, but not only I,
but many of my liberal friends all think the whole
Egene Carol thing is so manifestly preposterous. The iis I mean,
Trump was hugely famous in New York that he could
walk in and also anyone who's ever been maybe men
don't go to department stores.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
They follow you around the whole time. You can't make
a move with that. Do you need a different size?
Can I bring you a different color? How did you
like that?
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You look so good in that. It actually kind of
drives me crazy. But you have the salespeople.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I'm sure they're paid and they get a commission to
do this, so I won't complain. But they follow oh
you around, they're like lemmings. You get the way she's
climbing at the entire.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Store is empty. No one notices Donald Trump walking in.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's a certain it's And I think also she was
one of the I can't remember the year people, by
the way, kind of like the one which accused Kavanaugh.
I think she got the year wrong. And I'm sorry,
but if something terrible and traumatic happens to you with
the world's most famous man, I think you remember what
year it was.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
But that's that's a side point, all right.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I do I need to ask you because your your
column this week unsafe as end's uh sub stack. And
she's also got her syndicated column on ancolder dot com
and elsewhere. And this housing bill Senate past this eighty
five to five, House past this three hundred and fifty
eight to thirty two hugely bipartisan. You were saying hugely awful.
(09:49):
Trump should not sign what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Worse than that, he needs to veto it before tomorrow
or it becomes law just because he hasn't. He has
haven't done anything, he hasn't vetoed it, he hasn't signed it.
But he was right not to sign it. The claim
was he was just doing it because of the Save Act.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
There's some good.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Stuff in overturning federal regulations. Having said that, it expands
Section eight housing, which is an absolute disaster.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It really hurts Trump's voters.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It puts ghettos, moves the ghetto to the middle of nice, safe,
middle class and working class neighborhoods. It completely explains what
happened in Ferguson, which used to be a nice, middle
class suburb with no crime, and then Section eight housing
gets moved in, and of course Michael Brown and his neighbors,
they were all living in Section eight housing. This all
(10:36):
comes from this utterly maronic liberal theory that we won't
criticize single motherhood, we won't criticize welfare dependency, we won't
criticize drug use, but the entire determination of how a
child will turn out is zip code. So if we
just move them to nice neighborhoods, because we notice everybody
(10:58):
in these nice, middle class neighbor roads where all the
parents are married and no one's on welfare, those kids
do really well. So if we just move the zip code, well,
this bill it's it's it. Also on the other end,
it bails out sleeves bag slum lords who the government's
paying what the suction recipients get. They get a voucher,
(11:19):
they don't care how much an apartment costs, And an
apartment that is.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Covered in rats and roaches that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Would rent for three hundred dollars, a landlord can double
the price because you and I are paying, the voucher
recipient isn't paying. The government pays.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It sounds like a bad idea to me. Yeah, well
this is interesting. Let me ask you. Let me shift
gears one more question. I don't know if you're following
this Tyler Robinson Charlie Kirk assassination case very closely, But
as we are talking to you, they're having a third
straight day of preliminary hearing. They are producing a lot
of the evidence that they believe makes Tyler Robinson guilty.
(11:58):
There's been conspiracy theories the likes of which, frankly, I
don't even know what hardly to compare it to when
it comes to a criminal trial, that this is all
a set up everything else. How closely are you following it?
How much do you think the actual evidence will matter?
Or have some people gone down such rabbit holes of
conspiracy that there is no convincing them based on any
(12:20):
of the evidence out there.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I so hate conspiracy theories, and by which I mean
crackpot ideas that where there's, you know, a secret man
behind the count curtain, somebody else's Soon after that Charlie
Kirk was murdered, I was out with a group of
friends and one of them said, oh, did you see
the original pictures?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Didn't look like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
She was going down the conspiracy theory, and I got
angry and yelled at her and said, there has never
been a murder case with this much evidence. It's overwhelming.
Just don't don't stop, and it's just going on and on,
and if you watch the trial at all, it's just
evidence piled on top of evidence piled on top of evidence.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
In parents identified him, they're pictures of him. I don't
even want to go through it all. It makes me
so angry.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
There's this thing that happens and where people will say
they'll ignore everything, but they'll say, well, what about the
photo that shows him where he isn't limping in between
the photos of showing him where he or you know,
the video that shows him where he is limping.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And I'm like, well, so that's so, I guess check me.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
You know, you're you're pointing out some still frame that
I haven't seen that you think gets rid of everything.
And by the way, if you don't immediately concede that
your argument is now faulty because of some thing that
someone is talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You are you are part of it, by the way,
you are part of the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Really, It's like with a schizophrenic and you know, as
a regular viewer of forensic files, these theories were at least,
you know, within the realm of maybe crazy but possible
many years ago with all of the video we have
now with DNA, with the lover and the and the
(13:59):
parents saying this is the guy. No, there has never
been a murder case with as much evidence.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yeah, all right, an culter, everybody go check out an
culter dot com and those of you who tell us,
if we have her back, you will never listen again.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You said that last week, and yet here you are.
Great to see you, Ed.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Thank you, thank that's thank you, Ed. That's always the
ultimate trump card. Early in my career, I remember a
first person who ever sent me you did X and
I'm never listening again. I was like, man, that's it.
Maybe I did really lose. And then the same person
would email me the next week and the next week.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Things.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The people who say they're never listening again are actually
your biggest fans, and they're listening more than anybody else.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
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Speaker 2 (14:39):
I love those pekes.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
They just hold us to a very high standard, and
they get very passionate sometimes about it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But I get it. I know what's going on.
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Speaker 1 (15:56):
Through the Thursday edition of the program thanks to Anne Coulter,
who was just on with us breaking down a lot.
I'm gonna play some of the evidence of this Tyler
Robinson murder of Charlie Kirk, assassination of Charlie Kirk third
day here of hearings going on right now in Utah,
and his trans gay lover or whatever it is, is testifying.
(16:17):
They're playing testifying, but they're playing his comments that he's
made and during the course of the investigation. I guess
it's technically testimony in some way, but he's not actually
being questioned about it right now. It's just his statement,
so we will see exactly from that. But I loved
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Speaker 2 (18:51):
Okay. Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
In Tyler Robinson case currently underway, he is who has
been accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk and said Timber of
last year and Blockbuster. I think it's fair to say
testimony from Lance Twiggs. Lance Twiggs is the male boyfriend
(19:14):
that was pretending to be a girl trans lover. I
think is the way that I would be accurately described. Again,
I feel like, remember back in the day, Buck, when
you used to I don't know, did you do diagramming sentences?
That was a big thing where you like you would
stand up on the board and you'd have to kind
of do the I don't even if they still teach
sentence diagramming. I feel like gender is now got complicated.
(19:36):
So this is a man boy. I think he's over eighteen,
So man who has been pretending to be a woman
that was sleeping with the guy who killed Charlie Kirk.
I think that's all accurate. So here is some of
what he said in his testimony, again his cross examination
(19:57):
or his statement that he made aid to authorities investigating
this Cut thirty one. He says this is political orientated
in that this Tyler Robinson guy hated Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Cut thirty one.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
About Charlie Kirk. Did he ever talk about Charlie Kirk?
I personally had never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
Specifically, Okay, how about political issues? So did you ever
talk about gender identity issues and LGPBTQ riots.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
No, not really. Usually if he did talk about politics stuff,
it was relating to Trump or current like policies being
like issued or voted on.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think, okay, a couple of other things here Cut
thirty two. The trans boyfriend says, under oath and part
of this testimony this a conversation, this discussion, this statement
that again they're playing this in court, so he's not
being cross examined, but it's just this is the pre
(21:09):
trial evidence that there should be a case brought for
the assassination of Charlie Kirk by Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Cut thirty two.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
He says under oath Tyler confessed to assassinating Charlie, which todd.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
About what he had He talked about what he had done,
didn't go into detail. He just I just asked him
impersonate what he said was true the night before, and
he said it was it, started crying a little bit
and said he wishes he hadn't done it, and then
kept going around them, just doing stuff I think to
(21:46):
keep himself busy or distracted or something.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
He had texted that he killed Trump. Here he is
cut thirty three. This is the Turner lover. Yeah, then
I killed you, said Trump Charlie. Yeah, unfortunately that's what
he probably like to do as well, killed Charlie. Cut
thirty three. Here he is saying how he behaved after
(22:10):
he returned home.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
When did you first see him? On September eleventh?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
So this is the day after this Yearyeah, I saw
him when I woke up, Like I said, he was
up and around doing a lot of stuff around the house.
And then I think I saw him after that message
where I said I'll come home and say I'm doing
a laundry because I didn't want him going to my parents' house, right,
then when he said there was probably cuffs outside, So
(22:36):
I went back home and it was just him there
and I said bye to him, and then he drove off,
So I just went back to my parents' house.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So he acted erratically.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
Was he pacing? Are he just sitting down relaxing?
Speaker 8 (22:51):
No, he was walking around a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Okay, one more cut Here Here he is saying, remember
I know it was a hasn't been talking about a lot,
but these bullets allegedly had engravings on them with all
sorts of messages. Here he is saying that he saw
this alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, engraving messages on these bullets.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
He asks you.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Here, remember how I was engraving bullets. Was he engraving
bullets before this?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't remember exactly when, but he had said
he was planning to go hunting with his family, and
he asked me for a if we had like a
dremal because he said he wanted to create messages on bullets.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And I just told him where.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Dremmel was and I told him to make sure he
doesn't like set off a bullet on accident in the house.
But I didn't really think about it until then.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
How long before.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
September tenth was this that he asked about the drummer?
Speaker 8 (23:55):
I don't remember, because he'd been talking about the hunting
slash camping trip for a couple of months, But I
don't remember when he was specifically asking to engrave the bullets.
So are we talking like a year before? Oh no,
not that, Not that long it would have been. I'd
(24:15):
say it most of a month before this was when
he was.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Asking, Okay, buck, I wanted to play all those again.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
This is just one particular testimony the trans lover of
the alleged assassin. As more and more of this evidence
comes out, I think and Culter said it correctly, and
if I haven't been as succinct as this, this evidence
that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk is vastly more evidence
than the average person who was charged with murder in
(24:44):
the United States on a regular basis. I mean, this
is voluminous related evidence that he did it.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
What are we really missing in the evidentiary primary pieces?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I mean, when you.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Were lay this out, we have eyewitnesses, he's confessed it,
we have text messages in which he's confessed, we have
video of him there. We have video of him at
the campus three times before the actual shooting even occurred.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He's not a student there.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
There's no reason for him to be there unless he
was scouting out the location and trying to do pre
assassination surveillance. We have DNA on the on the weapon,
We have the weapon. We I mean, what else is
it gonna take for anybody who has doubts?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I sit here and I asked that. What people will say?
Why don't they have video of him? And I've seen
this clay in four K on the rooftop because they
didn't have a four K camera pointed directly at the
place on the rooftop where I mean, I don't under
some of the objections I'm seeing again you start to say,
and this is why people get mad at I don't
(25:54):
know if you've already had this. People been getting mad
at me in comments and online about this case. Mad
is a very gentle way of putting it. And at
some point you just have to be okay with the
shirtless lunatic in the parking lot who smells like he
hasn't bathed in six months, shouting at you and screaming
profanity because you know, he thinks you're like an alien
(26:15):
from some other planet. I mean, well, what are you
going to do? You can't reason with unreasonable So I
sit here and just say people can get as mad
as they want until I hear a reasonable explanation as
to why any reasonable person could have any doubt about this.
What are we even supposed to be talking about at
this point?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
This is again voluminous data. I would be stunned if
he's not found guilty. Now, if he's not found guilty, Buck,
I would say that maybe they get one of these
guys or gals who is totally lost in the feverish
insanity of the internet. But again, this is where I
tell you to go to the source material yourself. We're
(26:58):
reading the source material or listening to it, or watching
it in real time as it's being revealed in the courtrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Go look at it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
This is not even close to reasonable doubt, and so
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Not only is the you know we said, the conspiracy
laden responses in the wake of COVID uh make every
conspiracy seem more reliable or potentially true.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
What I would say in general.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Associated with that is this is why you need to
go to the source material, and this is why you
need to look at it. What is what is the
reason that all of these people would be saying.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That Tyler Robinson did it? You know, a.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Conspiracy that is good has someone who benefits, who benefits
from Tyler Robinson being the patsy. I think buck a
big part of this is people don't like to believe
that someone they love or someone they deeply admire can
be killed by one crazy person. Like refusing to dive
(28:12):
into the specifics of the Kennedy assassination. It strikes people
as profoundly unfair that someone is insignificant as Lee Harvey
Oswald could have killed John F.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Kennedy, And we have to.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Believe that, given that Kennedy mattered so much and Oswald
mattered so little, that it isn't possible that those two
intertwining stories could take the life of someone like Kennedy.
I think also the same is true here. People want
to believe, because Charlie Kirk mattered so much and he
was so significant, that one crazy lunatic can't take him
all from us. And I think that is part of
(28:45):
the undergirding aspect of this story. But who actually benefits
in conspiracies. I think you would sign off on this too. Yes,
someone always benefits in a conspiracy. Fauci lying about where
COVID came from directly benefited him.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He has an incentive to lie.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Who benefits from the wrong person being responsible for Charlie
Kirk's assassination.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I also don't think that a lot of the stuff
with COVID, by the way, is even properly thought of
as a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It was just observation. Yeah, it was just observing what
was around.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
I mean there wasn't They weren't trying to be secretive
about the fact that they were mandating this is where
your feet go in the elevator. I mean they were
doing insane things and anybody could have observed the insanity. Yeah,
there were some things, like we found out about Fauci
and the gain of function and some of that. But
to your point, well, that all lines up, That all
makes perfect sense given what we observed. Look, I read
(29:45):
the Internet too, such as it is, and the answer
to your question, Clay, is that there are people who have.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Continued to claim.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
That the State of Israel is involved in Charlie Kirks
assass that is the conspiracy online. Okay, we'll say it
out loud for you guys. That is what people have said.
A lot of people have said this in some capacity
because they believe that Charlie was turning on Israel. And
then people get into all this fight about well, what's
Charlie turning on his and everything else. This is a
(30:17):
crazy person thing. This is a crazy person theory. Okay,
this is completely This is a completely insane belief for
which there is no actual evidence whatsoever of any kind
other than the belief that an important conservative voice, particularly
among the youth, was somewhat more open to criticism of
(30:40):
the state of isis So the idea would be to
take the enormous risk, like, let's play this, let's play
out the crazy for a second.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
The state of Israel would.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Take this risk, and no one would No one would
out it, Clay, everybody would go along with the conspiracy
at every stage and every piece of all these different people,
law enforcement, Don Junior, everybody, everyone's in on it. No
one says it all because of Israel. This is I
actually think it's important to say it out loud. It's
(31:09):
a crazy person theory. Yes, it's like a paranoid schizophrenic
who lives under a bridge somewhere and needs help. Theory,
that is the truth. People can get as mad as
me if they want. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That is reality.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yes, on all that, I also think we should bring
back remember Okham's razor. The most likely basically stories is
most likely true on your point on COVID, all of
those things line up as the most likely outcome. Where
did a virus come from? Probably a place where a
new novel virus. Oh, I don't know, maybe the lab
(31:46):
where they were doing work with new novel viruses. It's
more complicated to say, oh, it originated with bats or
pangolins or whatever. The theory was right, and if you
just stacked together a bunch of things that are more
likely than not, you often end up at the right place.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
All of the.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Evidence is Tyler Robinson was in a relationship with a
trans person. He allowed his brain to be polluted by
much of what he saw on the Internet, and a
kid that had otherwise not been a bad kid decided
that he would be a hero if he killed Charlie Kirk.
And he planned it and he did it. And that's
(32:27):
the story. And I think Tyler Robinson's going to be
found overwhelmingly guilty. But you don't have to listen to me.
You don't have to listen to Buck. Go watch and
listen to the evidence yourself, not what someone else tells
you about the evidence. Go to the source material yourself.
As I always like to say, one of my old
law professors said, three things are most important anytime there's
(32:48):
a contract dispute. The contract, the contract, the contract. What
we say about the evidence doesn't matter in a court
of law. What matters is the evidence. The evidence, the evidence.
Go look at it yourself. It's overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
He did it. Tyler Robinson did it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
A jury has to convict him, but I'm convinced I
would one hundred billion percent be voting guilty.
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had never seen a mortgage amortization table. I had no
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and I remember looking at it and being like, is
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me that. A lot of you out there right now
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You focus maybe a little bit on the interest rate.
You don't understand very basic stuff. How in the world
is it possible that we can learn all this math
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stuff that we're never going to use. I probably have
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I've never used it most algebra, never really used it.
But I didn't never see a mortgage amortization table. We
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(36:35):
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Speaker 5 (36:36):
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back with you and it will be a fantastic show.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
So something to look forward to.
Welcome back in our number three Clay and Buck Show
Thursday edition of the program, continuing to track the grand
Platner dropping out of the main Senate race story, the
Iran strikes Tyler Robinson hearing that is going on right
now and more our good friend and culter is bought in,
brought in now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Many of you will say you love her.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Many of you will also say immediately after this or
during this interview that you hate her. That is probably
a good sign for someone that is in the opinion business.
And I told Buck yesterday, I think when she when
he said, hey, we're gonna have a hand on, I said,
I love And because she actually says things, is it
just me or are there there Obviously there's lots of
(00:42):
morons that say things on the view, but it seems
like a lot of people are kind of afraid to
have actual opinions.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Do you get that sense where like you watch somebody
on television and they just basically are the most bland
Like I think people are afraid of being wrong and
so they don't actually say what they really think anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yes, you know, the first time I noticed this, this
is going way back was during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
That was when I started on TV, I guess, and
I thought it was so weird. I'd gone to the
Supreme Court argument on Paula Jones, and I thought it
was strange that all of the legal commentators, including you know,
Linda Greenhouse at the New York Times, whoever it was
(01:22):
at the Washington Post. I forgot Scalia had a funny
name for her. But any event, they were all saying,
the Court's gonna split the baby. They'll say the suit
can go forward, but you have to wait until Clinton's
out of office. And that wasn't my read at all.
I definitely thought Paula Jones was gonna win, and she won.
I think it was nine zero. And that's when I
(01:43):
noticed there's no payback. I mean, the next day I'm
on TV with the exact same legal commentators as if
you know, they are Zarathustra here, and I realized it's
just the protection of the crowd. If everyone's wrong, no
one can say, oh man, look at that prediction you made,
but you never get credit.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
For being right.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I worked at CNNN for a couple of years on
the conservative commentary side, so it was essentially like being
the person to pin the tail on the donkey like
I was the donkey. I mean, they were just all
like trying to stab me with the donkey tail all
the time.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It wasn't fun.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
But the same thing was true there where they would
have people who would say the most moronic things about
the most obvious things. But I think it's really just
a cheerleading function that everyone knows they're supposed to, which
is why these media outlets, I think have lost so
much in terms of support and haft and gravitass. Okay Platner,
I want to get you on Platner right away. Here
Clay and I both took a similar position on the
(02:41):
similar position on this. I prefer when Clay disagrees with me,
because then he's wrong and I can beat up on him.
But it looks like we were kind of both kind
of both wrong on this, and so far as we're like, look,
I'm if I am Platner, I wouldn't drop out because
now it's you've destroyed your reputation. What do you think
about the decision, and also what do you think about
the Senate race now?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, obviously I'm disappointed that Platner dropped out, as I'm
sure you guys have pointed out he.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Was falling in the polls. Too much had been coming out.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He was going to lose to Susan Collins, who's very
popular in Maine and by the way, the true working
class candidate. But that's water under the bridge. I kind
of thought he would drop out because when when the
National Party says, we're not giving you any of our
polling data, we're not giving you any money, it would
have been an absolute blowout against him. They had him,
(03:37):
they had him in a corner. There was nothing else
he could do. And I don't think I mean, as
for the race, I think Collins is sitting pretty you
look at the other ones. And also, this is just
kind of a black eye for main Democrats, not only
the voters but the party.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's it's it's humiliating.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
How does Janet Mills and how does Janet Mills if
she steps in Now she's the second choice after the
Nazi tattoo rapist guy, alleged alleged rapist guy. You know
that's not a good place to be.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I don't think she'll be the candidate. I mean, most likely,
my guest, my guess is would be that guy.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Something.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Troy the one that Sanders has endorsed. And this is
the important thing about him. He's the only as far
as I can tell, of all the candidates they're looking at,
I think he's the only straight white male. And my
lesson from the whole Platiner thing is any straight white
male in America who is still a Democrat is some
(04:38):
sort of weird out.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's gonna come out.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I actually agree with that, and I'll come back to that.
By the way, this is news that just came out.
A couple of minutes ago. Buck And and Graham Platner
privately told staff he's planning to officially file paperwork to
end his Senate campaign on Monday, the drop dead deadline
for him to egg at the race. That makes me think, guys,
(05:04):
that he's waiting for a check to clear, because that's
the kind of move I mean to wait till Monday,
or he's just gonna say psych you guys were mean
to me. I'm staying in. I would be a little
bit nervous about this. What do you think, Ann Like,
you've got the law background. You were just talking about
being in the Supreme Court. I know me too. Was
(05:24):
absolutely bonkers and insane. Buck and I were looking up
you know, there's now a twenty I don't know if
grand Platner is going to be charged with any crime
with these allegations. Maine is one of many states now
and that has a twenty year statute of limitations for
sexual assault. Twenty years, which is just crazy, given that
(05:46):
most of the time this is a man and a
woman disputing what actually happened, and the idea that there's
any way to prove something that happened twenty years in
either direction, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Are we gonna fin hagree?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
She should be twenty years for a child if you're
a minor, Okay, I mean, and I don't even know
if it's twenty years, but a certain number of years
after the child reaches the majority. But obviously it's traumatic
a little a few years onto that. But for an
adult twenty years, that's just damnic Lee's sword hanging over
your head.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, okay, So second part of that, we're in a
world where I do give credit to some people out there,
like obviously Trump was able to ride out all these
accusations when somebody says, hey, you did something, and there
it's just he said she said, like this. Are we
(06:39):
ever going to move away from the media reaction being
in some way, Hey, you need to drop out, because
I said, Democrat, Republican, Independent, that the voters decide. The
voters decided here. One hundred and fifty six thousand of
them went out and voted for Graham Platner. Over two
hundred thousand people voted in the Democrat primary. And the
Democrats are pulling a Kamala Biden all over again, as
(07:01):
Buck pointed out, they're pulling Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders
all over again. They're just letting the elites decide. Even
if the will of the voter is completely different. Will
that matter in this race like it might have mattered
in Kamala Biden.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, in their defense, the voters voted for someone about
whom I don't know. Sixteen scandals hadn't come out yet,
and scandal let me call them scandal EETs. I don't
think any one of these things would have killed him.
It was just this steady drip drip, and they keep
asking him is there anything else?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It doesn't have to be a crime, it doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
To be And as per your points about me too,
I mean this latest one, it was a drunken rape.
And I think having sex forcing your girlfriend to have
sex when drunk is different from rape. I mean a
stranger leaping out, pulling you into the bushes and raping you.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It's a bad thing. He's a jerk.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But the fact that she says, and I know this
will be very unpopular, but the fact that, by her
own account, she said to him, I think that night
and the next morning, do you know what happened? Do
you know what you just did? Do you know what
happened last night? And he said no, he had no. Okay,
he's a blackout drunk. He's a monster when he's drunk.
This is really it's very bad behavior. But I hate
(08:17):
referring to it as rape, since I think rape is
really really, really serious.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
And just one other thing on me too, and Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You have probably gone over this, but not only I,
but many of my liberal friends all think the whole
Egene Carol thing is so manifestly preposterous. The iis I mean,
Trump was hugely famous in New York that he could
walk in and also anyone who's ever been maybe men
don't go to department stores.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
They follow you around the whole time. You can't make
a move with that. Do you need a different size?
Can I bring you a different color? How did you
like that?
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You look so good in that. It actually kind of
drives me crazy. But you have the salespeople.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I'm sure they're paid and they get a commission to
do this, so I won't complain. But they follow oh
you around, they're like lemmings. You get the way she's
climbing at the entire.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Store is empty. No one notices Donald Trump walking in.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
It's a certain it's And I think also she was
one of the I can't remember the year people, by
the way, kind of like the one which accused Kavanaugh.
I think she got the year wrong. And I'm sorry,
but if something terrible and traumatic happens to you with
the world's most famous man, I think you remember what
year it was.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
But that's that's a side point, all right.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I do I need to ask you because your your
column this week unsafe as end's uh sub stack. And
she's also got her syndicated column on ancolder dot com
and elsewhere. And this housing bill Senate past this eighty
five to five, House past this three hundred and fifty
eight to thirty two hugely bipartisan. You were saying hugely awful.
(09:49):
Trump should not sign what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Worse than that, he needs to veto it before tomorrow
or it becomes law just because he hasn't. He has
haven't done anything, he hasn't vetoed it, he hasn't signed it.
But he was right not to sign it. The claim
was he was just doing it because of the Save Act.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
There's some good.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Stuff in overturning federal regulations. Having said that, it expands
Section eight housing, which is an absolute disaster.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It really hurts Trump's voters.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
It puts ghettos, moves the ghetto to the middle of nice, safe,
middle class and working class neighborhoods. It completely explains what
happened in Ferguson, which used to be a nice, middle
class suburb with no crime, and then Section eight housing
gets moved in, and of course Michael Brown and his neighbors,
they were all living in Section eight housing. This all
(10:36):
comes from this utterly maronic liberal theory that we won't
criticize single motherhood, we won't criticize welfare dependency, we won't
criticize drug use, but the entire determination of how a
child will turn out is zip code. So if we
just move them to nice neighborhoods, because we notice everybody
(10:58):
in these nice, middle class neighbor roads where all the
parents are married and no one's on welfare, those kids
do really well. So if we just move the zip code, well,
this bill it's it's it. Also on the other end,
it bails out sleeves bag slum lords who the government's
paying what the suction recipients get. They get a voucher,
(11:19):
they don't care how much an apartment costs, And an
apartment that is.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Covered in rats and roaches that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Would rent for three hundred dollars, a landlord can double
the price because you and I are paying, the voucher
recipient isn't paying. The government pays.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It sounds like a bad idea to me. Yeah, well
this is interesting. Let me ask you. Let me shift
gears one more question. I don't know if you're following
this Tyler Robinson Charlie Kirk assassination case very closely, But
as we are talking to you, they're having a third
straight day of preliminary hearing. They are producing a lot
of the evidence that they believe makes Tyler Robinson guilty.
(11:58):
There's been conspiracy theories the likes of which, frankly, I
don't even know what hardly to compare it to when
it comes to a criminal trial, that this is all
a set up everything else. How closely are you following it?
How much do you think the actual evidence will matter?
Or have some people gone down such rabbit holes of
conspiracy that there is no convincing them based on any
(12:20):
of the evidence out there.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I so hate conspiracy theories, and by which I mean
crackpot ideas that where there's, you know, a secret man
behind the count curtain, somebody else's Soon after that Charlie
Kirk was murdered, I was out with a group of
friends and one of them said, oh, did you see
the original pictures?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Didn't look like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
She was going down the conspiracy theory, and I got
angry and yelled at her and said, there has never
been a murder case with this much evidence. It's overwhelming.
Just don't don't stop, and it's just going on and on,
and if you watch the trial at all, it's just
evidence piled on top of evidence piled on top of evidence.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
In parents identified him, they're pictures of him. I don't
even want to go through it all. It makes me
so angry.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
There's this thing that happens and where people will say
they'll ignore everything, but they'll say, well, what about the
photo that shows him where he isn't limping in between
the photos of showing him where he or you know,
the video that shows him where he is limping.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And I'm like, well, so that's so, I guess check me.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
You know, you're you're pointing out some still frame that
I haven't seen that you think gets rid of everything.
And by the way, if you don't immediately concede that
your argument is now faulty because of some thing that
someone is talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You are you are part of it, by the way,
you are part of the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Really, It's like with a schizophrenic and you know, as
a regular viewer of forensic files, these theories were at least,
you know, within the realm of maybe crazy but possible
many years ago with all of the video we have
now with DNA, with the lover and the and the
(13:59):
parents saying this is the guy. No, there has never
been a murder case with as much evidence.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yeah, all right, an culter, everybody go check out an
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You said that last week, and yet here you are.
Great to see you, Ed.
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Thank you, thank that's thank you, Ed. That's always the
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first person who ever sent me you did X and
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Maybe I did really lose. And then the same person
would email me the next week and the next week.
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Things.
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The people who say they're never listening again are actually
your biggest fans, and they're listening more than anybody else.
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They just hold us to a very high standard, and
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Through the Thursday edition of the program thanks to Anne Coulter,
who was just on with us breaking down a lot.
I'm gonna play some of the evidence of this Tyler
Robinson murder of Charlie Kirk, assassination of Charlie Kirk third
day here of hearings going on right now in Utah,
and his trans gay lover or whatever it is, is testifying.
(16:17):
They're playing testifying, but they're playing his comments that he's
made and during the course of the investigation. I guess
it's technically testimony in some way, but he's not actually
being questioned about it right now. It's just his statement,
so we will see exactly from that. But I loved
this talkback. Laurie from East Hanover, New Jersey, listening on
(16:40):
WR in the New York City area. Listen to this
success story.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
You are so right about saving. I never made more
than about fifty five thousand dollars a year my whole life.
I'm retired now in my mid seventies, and I put
a little away every year. I now live in a
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people need to realize is once you start sucking it away,
the money starts working for you.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Compound interest, Buck, How great is that story? Compound interest,
compound disterest compound interests. Neither are my parents ever made
a over fifty thousand dollars a year either, and they
made smart decisions financially and just basic financial literacy. I
love that story from Lori. People want to focus on, Hey,
(17:33):
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Okay. Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
In Tyler Robinson case currently underway, he is who has
been accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk and said Timber of
last year and Blockbuster. I think it's fair to say
testimony from Lance Twiggs. Lance Twiggs is the male boyfriend
(19:14):
that was pretending to be a girl trans lover. I
think is the way that I would be accurately described. Again,
I feel like, remember back in the day, Buck, when
you used to I don't know, did you do diagramming sentences?
That was a big thing where you like you would
stand up on the board and you'd have to kind
of do the I don't even if they still teach
sentence diagramming. I feel like gender is now got complicated.
(19:36):
So this is a man boy. I think he's over eighteen,
So man who has been pretending to be a woman
that was sleeping with the guy who killed Charlie Kirk.
I think that's all accurate. So here is some of
what he said in his testimony, again his cross examination
(19:57):
or his statement that he made aid to authorities investigating
this Cut thirty one. He says this is political orientated
in that this Tyler Robinson guy hated Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Cut thirty one.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
About Charlie Kirk. Did he ever talk about Charlie Kirk?
I personally had never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
Specifically, Okay, how about political issues? So did you ever
talk about gender identity issues and LGPBTQ riots.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
No, not really. Usually if he did talk about politics stuff,
it was relating to Trump or current like policies being
like issued or voted on.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think, okay, a couple of other things here Cut
thirty two. The trans boyfriend says, under oath and part
of this testimony this a conversation, this discussion, this statement
that again they're playing this in court, so he's not
being cross examined, but it's just this is the pre
(21:09):
trial evidence that there should be a case brought for
the assassination of Charlie Kirk by Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Cut thirty two.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
He says under oath Tyler confessed to assassinating Charlie, which todd.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
About what he had He talked about what he had done,
didn't go into detail. He just I just asked him
impersonate what he said was true the night before, and
he said it was it, started crying a little bit
and said he wishes he hadn't done it, and then
kept going around them, just doing stuff I think to
(21:46):
keep himself busy or distracted or something.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
He had texted that he killed Trump. Here he is
cut thirty three. This is the Turner lover. Yeah, then
I killed you, said Trump Charlie. Yeah, unfortunately that's what
he probably like to do as well, killed Charlie. Cut
thirty three. Here he is saying how he behaved after
(22:10):
he returned home.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
When did you first see him? On September eleventh?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
So this is the day after this Yearyeah, I saw
him when I woke up, Like I said, he was
up and around doing a lot of stuff around the house.
And then I think I saw him after that message
where I said I'll come home and say I'm doing
a laundry because I didn't want him going to my parents' house, right,
then when he said there was probably cuffs outside, So
(22:36):
I went back home and it was just him there
and I said bye to him, and then he drove off,
So I just went back to my parents' house.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So he acted erratically.
Speaker 9 (22:47):
Was he pacing? Are he just sitting down relaxing?
Speaker 8 (22:51):
No, he was walking around a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Okay, one more cut Here Here he is saying, remember
I know it was a hasn't been talking about a lot,
but these bullets allegedly had engravings on them with all
sorts of messages. Here he is saying that he saw
this alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, engraving messages on these bullets.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Cut thirty.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
He asks you.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Here, remember how I was engraving bullets. Was he engraving
bullets before this?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't remember exactly when, but he had said
he was planning to go hunting with his family, and
he asked me for a if we had like a
dremal because he said he wanted to create messages on bullets.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And I just told him where.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Dremmel was and I told him to make sure he
doesn't like set off a bullet on accident in the house.
But I didn't really think about it until then.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
How long before.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
September tenth was this that he asked about the drummer?
Speaker 8 (23:55):
I don't remember, because he'd been talking about the hunting
slash camping trip for a couple of months, But I
don't remember when he was specifically asking to engrave the bullets.
So are we talking like a year before? Oh no,
not that, Not that long it would have been. I'd
(24:15):
say it most of a month before this was when
he was.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Asking, Okay, buck, I wanted to play all those again.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
This is just one particular testimony the trans lover of
the alleged assassin. As more and more of this evidence
comes out, I think and Culter said it correctly, and
if I haven't been as succinct as this, this evidence
that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk is vastly more evidence
than the average person who was charged with murder in
(24:44):
the United States on a regular basis. I mean, this
is voluminous related evidence that he did it.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
What are we really missing in the evidentiary primary pieces?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I mean, when you.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Were lay this out, we have eyewitnesses, he's confessed it,
we have text messages in which he's confessed, we have
video of him there. We have video of him at
the campus three times before the actual shooting even occurred.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He's not a student there.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
There's no reason for him to be there unless he
was scouting out the location and trying to do pre
assassination surveillance. We have DNA on the on the weapon,
We have the weapon. We I mean, what else is
it gonna take for anybody who has doubts?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I sit here and I asked that. What people will say?
Why don't they have video of him? And I've seen
this clay in four K on the rooftop because they
didn't have a four K camera pointed directly at the
place on the rooftop where I mean, I don't under
some of the objections I'm seeing again you start to say,
and this is why people get mad at I don't
(25:54):
know if you've already had this. People been getting mad
at me in comments and online about this case. Mad
is a very gentle way of putting it. And at
some point you just have to be okay with the
shirtless lunatic in the parking lot who smells like he
hasn't bathed in six months, shouting at you and screaming
profanity because you know, he thinks you're like an alien
(26:15):
from some other planet. I mean, well, what are you
going to do? You can't reason with unreasonable So I
sit here and just say people can get as mad
as they want until I hear a reasonable explanation as
to why any reasonable person could have any doubt about this.
What are we even supposed to be talking about at
this point?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
This is again voluminous data. I would be stunned if
he's not found guilty. Now, if he's not found guilty, Buck,
I would say that maybe they get one of these
guys or gals who is totally lost in the feverish
insanity of the internet. But again, this is where I
tell you to go to the source material yourself. We're
(26:58):
reading the source material or listening to it, or watching
it in real time as it's being revealed in the courtrooms.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Go look at it for yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
This is not even close to reasonable doubt, and so
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Not only is the you know we said, the conspiracy
laden responses in the wake of COVID uh make every
conspiracy seem more reliable or potentially true.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
What I would say in general.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Associated with that is this is why you need to
go to the source material, and this is why you
need to look at it. What is what is the
reason that all of these people would be saying.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That Tyler Robinson did it? You know, a.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Conspiracy that is good has someone who benefits, who benefits
from Tyler Robinson being the patsy. I think buck a
big part of this is people don't like to believe
that someone they love or someone they deeply admire can
be killed by one crazy person. Like refusing to dive
(28:12):
into the specifics of the Kennedy assassination. It strikes people
as profoundly unfair that someone is insignificant as Lee Harvey
Oswald could have killed John F.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Kennedy, And we have to.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Believe that, given that Kennedy mattered so much and Oswald
mattered so little, that it isn't possible that those two
intertwining stories could take the life of someone like Kennedy.
I think also the same is true here. People want
to believe, because Charlie Kirk mattered so much and he
was so significant, that one crazy lunatic can't take him
all from us. And I think that is part of
(28:45):
the undergirding aspect of this story. But who actually benefits
in conspiracies. I think you would sign off on this too. Yes,
someone always benefits in a conspiracy. Fauci lying about where
COVID came from directly benefited him.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
He has an incentive to lie.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Who benefits from the wrong person being responsible for Charlie
Kirk's assassination.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I also don't think that a lot of the stuff
with COVID, by the way, is even properly thought of
as a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It was just observation. Yeah, it was just observing what
was around.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
I mean there wasn't They weren't trying to be secretive
about the fact that they were mandating this is where
your feet go in the elevator. I mean they were
doing insane things and anybody could have observed the insanity. Yeah,
there were some things, like we found out about Fauci
and the gain of function and some of that. But
to your point, well, that all lines up, That all
makes perfect sense given what we observed. Look, I read
(29:45):
the Internet too, such as it is, and the answer
to your question, Clay, is that there are people who have.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Continued to claim.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
That the State of Israel is involved in Charlie Kirks
assass that is the conspiracy online. Okay, we'll say it
out loud for you guys. That is what people have said.
A lot of people have said this in some capacity
because they believe that Charlie was turning on Israel. And
then people get into all this fight about well, what's
Charlie turning on his and everything else. This is a
(30:17):
crazy person thing. This is a crazy person theory. Okay,
this is completely This is a completely insane belief for
which there is no actual evidence whatsoever of any kind
other than the belief that an important conservative voice, particularly
among the youth, was somewhat more open to criticism of
(30:40):
the state of isis So the idea would be to
take the enormous risk, like, let's play this, let's play
out the crazy for a second.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
The state of Israel would.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Take this risk, and no one would No one would
out it, Clay, everybody would go along with the conspiracy
at every stage and every piece of all these different people,
law enforcement, Don Junior, everybody, everyone's in on it. No
one says it all because of Israel. This is I
actually think it's important to say it out loud. It's
(31:09):
a crazy person theory. Yes, it's like a paranoid schizophrenic
who lives under a bridge somewhere and needs help. Theory,
that is the truth. People can get as mad as
me if they want. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That is reality.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yes, on all that, I also think we should bring
back remember Okham's razor. The most likely basically stories is
most likely true on your point on COVID, all of
those things line up as the most likely outcome. Where
did a virus come from? Probably a place where a
new novel virus. Oh, I don't know, maybe the lab
(31:46):
where they were doing work with new novel viruses. It's
more complicated to say, oh, it originated with bats or
pangolins or whatever. The theory was right, and if you
just stacked together a bunch of things that are more
likely than not, you often end up at the right place.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
All of the.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Evidence is Tyler Robinson was in a relationship with a
trans person. He allowed his brain to be polluted by
much of what he saw on the Internet, and a
kid that had otherwise not been a bad kid decided
that he would be a hero if he killed Charlie Kirk.
And he planned it and he did it. And that's
(32:27):
the story. And I think Tyler Robinson's going to be
found overwhelmingly guilty. But you don't have to listen to me.
You don't have to listen to Buck. Go watch and
listen to the evidence yourself, not what someone else tells
you about the evidence. Go to the source material yourself.
As I always like to say, one of my old
law professors said, three things are most important anytime there's
(32:48):
a contract dispute. The contract, the contract, the contract. What
we say about the evidence doesn't matter in a court
of law. What matters is the evidence. The evidence, the evidence.
Go look at it yourself. It's overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
He did it. Tyler Robinson did it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
A jury has to convict him, but I'm convinced I
would one hundred billion percent be voting guilty.
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Speaker 6 (34:51):
You are exactly right. I learned about compound interest in
my sixties, when it's too late for it to benefit me.
And I was a math major, but I learned fractions
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I'm glad she called in because I had to teach
myself this too. I don't know if you had this
realization Buck. When I signed up and got my first
ever mortgage, bought my first home with my wife, I
had never seen a mortgage amortization table. I had no
idea how it worked. I had no idea how the
interest payments worked. I didn't understand any of it. Took
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and I remember looking at it and being like, is
this all interest? You have no worthly idea. Nobody taught
me that. A lot of you out there right now
have never actually looked at your mortgages on the amortization table.
You focus maybe a little bit on the interest rate.
You don't understand very basic stuff. How in the world
is it possible that we can learn all this math
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stuff that we're never going to use. I probably have
used five percent of the math that I study geometry,
I've never used it most algebra, never really used it.
But I didn't never see a mortgage amortization table. We
need better financial literacy, compound interest. I hope some of
you learned a little bit today. Look it up. Your
minds are going to be blown. Yep, those Trump accounts.
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Set them up.
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Set up the Trump accounts, and Tomorrow's Friday, we'll be
back with you and it will be a fantastic show.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
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