September 19, 2024 • 36 mins
Hillary out trashing Trump for Kamala. Trump keeps going after assassination attempts. More Democrats than you think wish Trump dead. Alaska man threatens to kill 6 Supreme Court justices. CNN on Trump's edge with men. The Daily Wire's Matt Walsh joins Clay and Buck to discuss his new movie, "Am I Racist?" Caller who attended Trump Long Island rally.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, here we are third hour, Clay, and buck
A is flying by days. The weeks are flying by
now as we've got the election in just a matter
of weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's coming up here soon.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And we all know that it is now at.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The sprint phase of this. It's all going very fast,
and it's interesting to see that they are just hoping.
Not enough people care or pay attention to the fact
that Kamala Harris is just not campaigning. I mean it's
not running a political campaign in any meaningful way. She's
not showing up talking to the press, only scripted public
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appearances where she is literally reading off of a script,
whether you know, a teleprompter or piece of paper in
front of her. And it's I think incredibly condescending to
the American voter that they think that they can pull
this off. The Democrats think they can pull it off.
But it is a very close race, and they got
a dementia patient elected before, so you know, anything's possible.
(01:01):
I get it. Their choice of surrogates, though lately, has
been interesting, Clay. If you were trying to pick who
you'd want to be making the case for Kamala right now,
there are names that would come to mind. You know,
obviously either one of the Obamas would be likely helpful.
I don't know who else in you know, you could
(01:23):
argue that there are I think some prominent members of
the Senate in the House right now Democrat side, who
could be effective spokespersons for the what you're.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I'm just thinking, because you're asking a really good question,
who is a man that the Democrat Party has that
could actually connect with men right now? Like you're asking,
and I'm thinking, like where she's really struggling is with men.
And you're right, Barack and Michelle Obama are probably the
two most popular in the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That would make sense, But.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I actually didn't have any, Like I was saying, there's
plenty of people they could go to it as I'm saying,
and I'm like, uh, I mean, Tim Walls can certainly
make the case to be a male feminist, but I
don't think that's going to apply, that's going to appeal
to guys.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm trying to think. You asked if I were advising
Kamala and they said, hey, Clay, we know that we're
really underwater with men. Tim Walls, This whole like coach
Walls thing is totally bombed because like, the only people
who like Tim Walls are basically male feminist not football fans.
I can't even tell you who is the most masculine
(02:27):
person in the Democrat Party that would resonate with men.
I can't even give you a name. I mean, I'm
not even kidding, like where you would be like, oh,
that guy. Maybe if they could get Fetterman, I actually
think he's probably, I mean, the most masculine Democrat right now.
Can you beat Fetterman as an elected official most masculine Democrat,
(02:51):
I'd have.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
To I'd have to look at a list. Look, I'm
not not trying to play hard to get here with
the answer. I just I don't have anyone who comes
to mind. It really was just a preamble for me
to get to who they are picking to make the case,
which I gotta say, I think she would be among
the last people on my list. Hillary Clinton. Hillary, She's
(03:13):
out there, not a good joint. She is making the
case and here she let's just start with let's start
with twenty two. Here Hillary's saying that Trump is filled
with grievance and rage, and whenever she speaks about Trump,
I just feel like all I see is oh and
one Hillary ohen one play twenty two.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
He is angrier, he is lashing out all the time
at everybody. He's filled with grievance and rage. You know,
in my acceptance speech at the convention way back in
twenty sixteen, I said, you know, you can't trust somebody
with nuclear weapons who you can bait with a tweat,
because I saw that in him. At the time, A
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lot of people didn't, or they gave him the benefit
of the doubt where they thought, hey, you know, we've
had two terms of a Democrat, let's try the Republicans
for whatever reason. I understand that, But now the stakes
are even higher because he has a record. We have
seen him try to abuse power, we have seen him
try to overturn a legitimate, free, fair election.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I kind of say, when she says you can't trust
him with the nukes, well, he already did, actually, and
it was fine, and there were no new wars, and
it was a time of particular peace for America relative
to other recent presidencies. So that's point one on that Clay.
And also I just think it's it's a total I mean,
(04:41):
lie is even the right word. It's just it's a
fantasy that Democrats have that Trump is angry and bitter
and mean. I mean, he can get fired up about things,
but so can any politician. He has fun, He makes
more jokes and is more lighthearted in public than any
politician I have ever seen before. And it's not even
(05:02):
close on either side. By the way, he is more
willing to have fun up there on stage and to
entertain an audience, and to make jokes and to be
self deprecating than anyone else I've ever seen in politics.
And Hillary's out there saying that he's shrill and angry.
I think psychologists would call this projection.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Also, think about how difficult that is with the level
of pressure that's on him, in addition to being in
the middle of a presidential campaign where there have been
two assassination attempts against him in the last sixty days,
and also to be in a situation where they're trying
to bankrupt him and put him in prison for the
(05:43):
rest of his life. To be able to get out
of the bed, and even factor in that he's seventy
eight or seventy nine years old, is pretty solid evidence
that he's just built different I mean, buck, think about
just this aspect. What percentage of a man Americans do
you think would be comfortable getting up on a stage
(06:04):
to talk to thousands of people again if they had
come within a quarter inch of having their head blown off.
I mean, you talk about post traumatic stress, which is
a very real thing that affects people who have been
under fire. Trump was hit by a bullet on July thirteenth,
and he has continued to get up on the stage
and talk to audiences in front of massive crowds, and
(06:29):
be as publicly available as any president that I can remember,
in terms of shaking hands and kissing babies and doing
the general aspects of what is required to win presidential office.
I don't think very many men or women would have
the intestinal fortitude to be willing to get up on
the stage and do it fearlessly like he is doing
(06:51):
it in the wake of these two assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think that's true. I also think, and this is dark,
but I believe it, so I will say it that
one of the reasons it feels like nothing has really
changed in the public discussion, in the rhetoric, you know,
just nothing has changed at all in the aftermath of
now two assassination attempts, one where he actually took a
(07:15):
bullet in the ear. It's still miraculous that Trump wasn't
killed that day. I will never stop being grateful for
the country, honestly for the country, because God knows what
that would have led to. That you know that Trump
was okay. I think one of the reasons though, and
this is the part of it that gets darklay that
nothing has changed here is I think a lot I
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can't give you a percentage, and I'm not saying all,
but I think a lot of Democrats are unbothered by
these assassination attempts on Trump, and I do believe that
a not insignificant portion of them are disappointed with the outcome,
and that's a very bad place for the country to be.
(08:00):
I have never once thought, and all of the time
I've been working in politics, you know, in media, and
before that, when I was working for a government, I
have never once thought I wish physical harm would come
to some to an American politician because I disagree with
what he or she believes. I'm not saying people are
involved in it. I'm just saying what they wish for.
(08:22):
And I think there are, unfortunately a lot of Democrats
you can see it online. You don't have to take
my word for it, who are unbothered and even disappointed
by the fact that Trump is still walking around okay,
and that is is terrifying as just a commentary on
how toxic the look, how toxic the ideological left has
(08:43):
become in this country, and how unmoored from the standards
and the systems and the institutions that they pretend to
care about they really are.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I was out last night. It's interesting that you mentioned this.
I went out for dinner, but right beforehand, I met
a friend who is from New York City that was
in town and we were just having a drink and
he was talking about exactly this. He said that he
went out with several of his buddies from high school,
(09:13):
and all of those guys that these buddies with from
high school are big Democrats, and he hadn't seen him
in a few months, and they went out and they
hadn't been together since July thirteenth, and he said, all
those guys said, yeah, we were on a text chain,
like damn, I'm sorry they missed him.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And he was very common I know, and you say this,
and the Democrats will jump down your throat and say, no,
that's not true. It is true. I've heard it from
a lot of people. I've heard people that have just
had conversations, whether with their barista or their cab driver,
or you know, just somebody that they have some exchange
with in the aftermath of both of these assassination attempts,
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where people express a desire that the other outcome could
have happened, and that there is something deeply disturbing and
menacing about how widespread that mentality is among Democrats. Because
it is very real and we all know that it's
out there.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think thirty to forty percent at least of diehard
Democrats wish Trump was dead and that the assassination attempts
had worked.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't think that there is anywhere near that element
in terms of sheer numbers in the Republican Party or
people who are voting for Trump about Kamala or Biden.
They won't talk about it in the media to a
large extent. Buck we just saw a Department of Justice
(10:40):
charges come down for an Alaskan guy. I think I
just screenshoted this who has been threatening to kill all
six Supreme Court justices. A guy named Panos conservative. I'm
guessing if it's six, it's the six ones that are
not the left wing loons. Okay, he donated to Democrats
(11:03):
eighty times. Just got arrested in Alaska for threatening to
kill the six conservative justices. He donated to Democrats eighty times.
Department of Justice just arrested him.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Again.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
They're six conservatives. They aren't naming the justices, but there
are six conservatives. Guy voted donated eighty times to Democrat causes.
If any of these stories had occurred and diehard Donald
Trump's supporters were involved, it's all you would hear about
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the toxicity that exists on the right. I would submit
to you. On the right, there is a deep held
belief and faith and fervor for Trump. It isn't on
the left a deep fervor for Kamala. They hate Trump, yes,
and so hate is the motivator to get people to kill.
(11:57):
People who are supporting Trump, by and large, just want
Trump to stay healthy and want Trump to win. A
lot of people who are supporting in quotation marks Kamala
legitimately want Trump dead. And again this ties in with
the whole trying to compare him to Hitler and say
he's a threat to democracy. If you really believe that
to be true, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden wouldn't have
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called Trump after the second assassination attempt and wished him well.
They are lying about him being Hitler or a direct
threat to democracy because it motivates their base, but a
lot of that base really believes it, which is why
they're trying to kill him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I just I wish there was a way that I mean,
this is kind of a separate thought, but I see
you agree with me that there's that the desire for
physical harm against Trump is tragically far more widespread in
common among Democrats across the country than I think a
lot of people on the right realize. Like you know,
I still have contact with the left and Democrats in
(12:55):
different ways, and I'm able to observe and hear from
different people who are hearing as well, and it's very common.
But just on the side, this whole notion that Trump
is a threat to democracy, I wish, you know, I
wish there was a way that I could put up,
like what would be for me a large sum of
money to bet like a Mark Cuban or one of
(13:16):
these guys. The democracy is going to be just fine. Okay,
there's going to be an election in four more years
and everything, you know, And what kind of odds would
they give me on this one? Because I feel like
these these imbeciles, we should just be able to make
them put their money with their mouth.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Democracy is going to fall party.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
A bunch of cry baby loons, and you know they're
emotionally destabilized because they don't have the internal courage of
their convictions to block out all the nonsense about the
threat to democracy. I mean, I would I would place
a huge bet against some of these great ideas, huge
bet that you know, they say democracy is under threat,
and say, okay, if Trump wins, how much you're going
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to put down on the table that there is a
completely normal, legitimate election in four years after Trump has
his second term. I'd put you know, whatever money I
have at hand.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That's a great point. I would put down as much
as I could too. They wouldn't actually put it down,
but it is. It would be great to call him out,
all right, speaking of calling him out, Buck, this is fun.
I bombed last time on my prize picks. Pick utter
defeat went down in a blaze of not even real glory,
just a blaze, not an ideal way to go down,
(14:27):
not even a blaze of glory. I've got what I
hope is going to be a winner tonight for everybody
on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
First of all, we get my prize pick out, so
you got to actually you know I'm taking right now.
How about you are going to keep there, buddy? All right,
let's know we.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Need to win.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
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(15:26):
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Speaker 2 (15:28):
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Speaker 5 (16:23):
And politics, but also a little comic relief.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
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Speaker 3 (16:28):
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I wanted
to play this CNN guest Peter Hanby talking about what
we were discussing. Are there any men that actually have
any appeal at all for the Democrat Party? This is
(16:51):
what just aired on CNN. Listen manon Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
He plays golf with Bryson Deshambo.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
He goes on fiovon, he talks about Zen's and you
know Democrats.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I'm sorry, like they haven't had a cool guy candidate
in a while.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
And like, with all your respect to Tim Walls, like
Tim Wells appeals to a lot of men.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He also appeals to that guy Bruce.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, Jeff Packie.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
He's wearing a futurist female shirt like that guy in Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
He's already going to vote Democrats.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It's really funny, but you got I mean that kind
of Trump is up in the CNN poll what they
were discussing there by fourteen points with men. Now, Kamala
is doing very well with women, but it's not I
think there are women who can speak well for Trump?
The question we were debating, which I think is a
good one, who would you even point to and say,
this person makes a real difference and cuts through the
(17:41):
noise and men respond to them. From the Democrat party,
I can't even think of anybody that they have at all.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's tough to be manly if you're like, yeah, and
transgender surgery for minors is a great idea, It's tough,
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ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight. You know, I watched
Am I Racist? Just a few days ago and really
enjoyed it. Watch it with my wife Kerry. I thought
it was really fun and we love to see people
from our side of just the view of life. If
(19:16):
you will, not just the right, but just people that
see the world through rationalize to make creative content. And
Matt Walsh is with us now. He is from the
Daily Wire, the Matt wallsh Show. His movie Am I Racist?
Is in theaters. It is super funny and Matt did
a great job. Matt, appreciate you making the time for us.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Let's start with I'm noticing a trend, Matt, which is
everyone that I speak to or see who has seen
the movie thinks it's really well done, really clever, really funny.
And yet so the Rotten Tomatoes for the fans or
for the audience, I should say, very strong, but I
feel like you're getting a little frozen out some of
(20:00):
the mainstream critics. What's going on?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, very completely frozen out in fact, So as it
stands right now, we did just finally get an official
Rotten Tomatoes Tomato rating because we got to ten reviews
from the critics, and it's right now, it's good. I
think we're sitting at eighty percent. But those are all
independent reviewers who we really appreciate the fact that they
reviewed the film. We have yet to have a single
(20:27):
critic film critic from a mainstream publication review the film,
which I think is, if not unprecedented, it certainly is
extremely uncommon that you would have a top five theatrically
widely released film that is not reviewed at all by
any mainstream publication, even a week after release. I can't
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think of another example of this happening.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I mean, is it just there, Matt, Is it that
they're they're too sorry, just they're too scared to even
you would think that they could just review it and
trash it, right, Like, that's what the commis would usually do.
But are they just too scared to even say anything
about it or bring attention to it.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I think that's it, because you're right, we're very used
to seeing the Rotten Tomatoes thing, where it's like a
thirty five percent critics score and a ninety percent audience score.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's usually what they do.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
They just go in and trash the film because it's
made by someone they don't like.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
In this case, they.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Won't even do that, and so I can only assume
it's because they don't want to acknowledge that, you know,
we are we are exposing the Dei grift, and if
they acknowledge the film, they're acknowledging sort of that exposure,
and they don't want to do that. And also I'm
very biased, of course, but I think it's a good movie,
and it's gonna be harder for them to pretend that
it's just a total piece of garbage. You'll have to
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they'll have to give it, Like I think they have
to give a some credit if they review it, and
they don't want to do that because they're worried that
their audience will rip them to shreds if they don't
rip us to shreds. So that's kind of the buying
that they're in.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I guess Matt appreciate you coming on. This is Clay
your seat mate on the most recent flight. I bet
you took to La Matt and I ended up sitting
side by side coming back to Nashville. So and on Monday,
I went to go see this last week. And here's
the best compliment I can give for people who have
not seen the movie? Am I racist that Matt Walsh
made your performance? And I'm not even trying to pump
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you up here. As I was watching it, it felt
both Sasha Baron Cohen and Larry David esque in that
there was a lot of cringe humor right, which would
be very common with Larry David. But also in the
same way, back when the Barrat movies were doing their Heyday,
you allowed people to expose themselves merely by almost acting
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as a mirror to reflect them. I'm curious when you
were making the movie, did you think about either of
those guys as people who had done something that you
were similarly trying to do? Part one, Part two? How
do you keep a straight face for all this. Were
there elements of this movie where you broke down and
started to laugh? Is there an out take version? Or
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you just uniquely skilled that deadpan comedy?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
And I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate it'sitt next to
you on the plane. You're the first person in twenty
years I've sat next to on a plane was reading
a physical newspaper. So that was that was an interesting experience,
which I respect a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
By the way, and you know, yes we did. I
I always.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Appreciate the comparisons to Borat Larry David. I mean, these
are these are comic geniuses. So even if they are
far to the left and we don't agree politically at all,
but they're using a style of humor a Sasha Baron
called in particular, using a style of comedy that to
this point the right has not made use of. And
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but the thing is that the left isn't really using
it either. I mean you could go back, yeah, you
go back to Borat, the first one, the only funny one.
Even early John Stewart Daily Show doing a lot of
this kind of thing, and they've really gotten away from
it too.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So I think it sort of opens up.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
There's a there's a wide open market here to come in,
and that's what we're trying to do it in terms
of maintaining the deadpan.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The honest truth is, but I wasn't very.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Tempted to laugh in the moment because in the moment,
in real time, when you're in the room with these people,
they are so aggressively unpleasant and quite ugly in the
way that they approach life and the things that they're saying,
that the temptation is less to laugh and more to
like yell at them and start arguing with them, which
was very much my instinct that I had to hold
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back on that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We're speaking of Matt Walsh. He has the movie Am
I Racist?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Out now.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Clay and I have both seen it. Highly recommend that
you will enjoy it, and I do. Matt, if I may,
you know you were talking with critics before. I have
one one point of criticism that I wanted to address
with you directly here on the show, and it's when
you made the decision to go undercover. And my wife
and I looked at each other. We had the same thought, Matt,
(24:48):
if you shaved your beard, you could become Biden's White
House Press secretary, like nobody would know who Matt Walsh
is Son's beard? Was there a consideration for going full
deep cover here of shaving the beard or is that
just like Sampson's hair, the temple falls around you. You
can't do it because the man bun. I mean, you
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still look like Matt watsh with the man bun, but
without that beard. Dude, I don't know. I don't think.
I don't think anybody would know we did.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
We sat around in a conference room having a long
conversation about this is what my job entails, sitting around
the conference room having a very serious professional dialogue about
what costume I should wear. And it was suggested by
multiple people in the room that hey, if I just
shaved the beard, but that I shut that down immediately,
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that's off the I'm willing to do a lot of
things to expose the Left.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think I've shown that I draw the line there.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
I cannot do that, and I cannot force you know what,
I can't force my wife and children to live with
me beardless. They wouldn't allow me to do it. They
would they would run in terror if I walked in
the home without a beard.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So I just I can't. I couldn't do it. I
couldn't do it, Matt.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Any movie or book or anything that you try to
make where you're creating something you're not really sure how
it's going to turn out. In the process of being
in the middle of it, that that creative spark, however
you want to describe it. Sometimes it comes through and
you're like, Man, this book's gonna come out perfectly. I'm curious.
The movie is fantastic. Again, I would encourage people to
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go watch it. It's really funny, and it's on a
lot of theaters out there right now. We should have mentioned,
so you can go see it in your state, your communities,
you can look it up. At what point, as you're
making the movie, did you think to yourself, Okay, we've
got something here. I think this is going to be
really good. Was there a moment, was there a scene,
Was there something that that worked better than you anticipated?
(26:42):
When was that moment for you in the midst of
the making of this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I can tell exactly where that moment was.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
It was Robin D'Angelo, the Robin d Angelo scene, and
which the spoilers are everywhere now. Anyway, so there's no
point and heiding the fact that we you know, we
did get Robin D'Angelo and we convinced to pay reparations
to my black producer on camera, among other exercises that
we had her do with me, and when we got that,
(27:10):
we actually did that somewhat early on in filming, and
after we got that scene, we knew that, okay, we
have a movie here. I mean, even if we get
nothing else, this alone justifies the existence of the film.
And fortunately we got a lot more than that, but
that was certainly that was the moment we all looked
at each other and said, all right, I guess we
have a movie.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I actually got to tell you something, Matt. I break
with some of the consensus here, because my favorite part
of the movie is actually begin like the beginning of
the movie, when you're at the when you're having like
the Dei seminar and that lady and the guy gets
mad at you and you said you didn't consent to
be touched. That's that's one of my favorite parts. But
also the fact that they call the police on you, Well,
(27:53):
on what basis were they calling the police on you?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Well, apparently I made them feel unsafe. You hear the
girl in that scene, the woman say that she doesn't
feel safe, which is really funny because not only was
I not being aggressive or hostile, but I was actually
my sin in that group was I was too eager
a participant. I was so eager to be a part
(28:19):
of this and just starting my journey that and yet
still they somehow felt they felt unsafe. But by the way,
I actually my own personal favorite scene in the movie
is that the opening workshop scene.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Maybe it's just you know, the opportunity to.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Antagonize those people for two hours was just a lot
of a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So I really liked that scene.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I also liked it again we're given some spoilers. We're
talking to Matt Walsh the movies. Am I racist? The
local news segments, the Good Morning Utah or whatever it was.
I mean, I really lost it on that they didn't
do like the basic amount of research. But I'm just
curious on the making how many local news broadcast did
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you guys have to reach out to to get the
interviews that you did and were there? Because I also
think it's really funny if you happened to be a
Daily Wire fan or a Matt Walsh Fan and Good
Morning Utah or whatever the heck it was was on.
Did anybody clip those and share them? Did you see
it get like yourself getting tagged? I'm really kind of
fascinated how that happened, because it's kind of a giveaway
(29:24):
of what's going on potentially. Did people just never know
that that happened, or were you concerned that that might
get out virally and help kind of make it clear
what you were doing. I'm curious how that segment of
the movie went.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, we assumed.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
We assumed when we did that that it would be
out that the next day it's gonna be all over Twitter.
So we just went into it with that assumption, and
I was shocked that that didn't happen. I mean, I
got a few emails from people who happened to be
watching these various news segments saying some funny emails like
was that, I'm pretty su I just saw you in
(30:01):
a man bun on my local news, But was that
actually you? And I just ignored the emails, so I
don't I don't know why that didn't end up on
the internet. I guess it's providential. But the truth is
that of all the things we did that was the
easiest to set up. I mean, these local news channels
did like zero due diligence. We didn't even give them
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my last name. We just said that like I'm Matt,
the DEI guy or whatever, and that was the anchors
me that way. They didn't even ask my last name
at any point, which was pretty remark.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Did the anchors figure it out like by the end
or are they still like Matt? That was great? Like
thanks for decentering our whiteness.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I think that the ones in Utah, the ones where
I was in person, I could tell because that was
a longer segment obviously than what they appears.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
In the movie.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
And by the end of that conversation, they were kind
of looking at each other like this is something's not
right here. But they had to, you know, they were
profess was about I'll give them that. They just went
with it, and then I finished my interview and I left.
I put by the way, one of the ways I
got in there is I was wearing a COVID mask
behind the scenes, and I wore that right until the
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cameras came on, so that if they did recognize me,
it would happened on camera.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So I didn't do that to disguise myself.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
I only did it for safety because I was really
concerned about my safety and everyone else is.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Of course, I want to give you guys credit at
the Daily Wire because I was in Lady Ballers. I
have a small role.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
This movie now too.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But I've talked with a lot of the guys and
gals that work over there, and I think many people
out there listening to us right now this is really
going to register with them too. Starting at about twenty ten,
movies just stopped being funny. There has not been a
real I mean, there were tons in the early two thousands.
You can go back and watch whatever you think of
the politics, Super Bad, Old School. You know, we can
(31:53):
run through a long list of forty year old virgin
of movies that were made that were actually very funny.
Everybody could go and watch and laugh at them. And
then they just stopped. And I'm curious what you would
attribute that to, But to your point, it creates a
huge marketplace for opportunity, right for actually movies that just
want to make people laugh.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
It's fascinating to me just as a matter of kind
of history that it seems there's a real cutoff point.
About twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen is the last time
you see real comedies from Hollywood, and then it really,
as you said, it's tough for about ten years.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I don't know what exactly the attribute to that too.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I think that, you know, Trump came on the scene
a couple of years after that, and that helped to
kill comedy from the left. And one of the reasons
is that they're so angry and they consider Trump to
be such an existential threat that it was almost like, well,
we can't do comedy anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It's not serious enough.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Political satire in particular from the left, I think dropped
off after that because it wasn't serious enough, and anytime
they talk about Trump, they have to seriously convey that
he's a threat to theocracy in all this nonsense, and
so they started to take themselves way too seriously, and
in an odd sort of way, they started to take
their opponents too seriously too, And I think that that
(33:13):
is what has created this this vacuum that you know,
the Babylon b has been doing it for a while,
but I think there's a lot more we could be
doing on the right to come in and sort of
fill that vacuum because if they don't want to be funny, like, hey,
it's let's do it. Because comedy is a it is
a it's a very disarming thing. It's like kind of
a universal language. If you can make people laugh, then
(33:36):
you made them laugh. And and whether you're leftist or conservative, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
A way to kind of convey a message to everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
The movie is am I Racist. You should go check
it out. It's Matt right wide release in theaters. People
can just look on their localistics.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Absolutely or you can go to ami Racist dot com
to get tickets.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Matt, great work, man, clinn. I really enjoyed it. Thanks
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Thanks guys, appreciate it.
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Speaker 7 (35:50):
I just want to say yesterday was the first time
I ever went to a rally, and it was the
best thing I ever did in my life. Twenty thousand people.
Every seat was filled. I took a bet with my friend.
I said, no way. I lost the bets. And I
have to say the love that the people have with
Donald Trump, what I saw is so beautiful. And when
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I looked at twenty thousand people with my own eyes
and I count up by six and I think of
all the immigrants coming to this country. That's the amount
of people. I saw it with my own eyes. It's overwhelming.
And I wanted to say one more thing. I could
not get over the standing ovation that Rudy Giuliani received.
(36:33):
He says Trump is my friend, and he went up
there and the thunderous applaud the adjurations to him as
well to me. His heart was mended from.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
OH, very good call. Thank you. We'll talk to you
more about everybody. Oh
All right, here we are third hour, Clay, and buck
A is flying by days. The weeks are flying by
now as we've got the election in just a matter
of weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's coming up here soon.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And we all know that it is now at.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The sprint phase of this. It's all going very fast,
and it's interesting to see that they are just hoping.
Not enough people care or pay attention to the fact
that Kamala Harris is just not campaigning. I mean it's
not running a political campaign in any meaningful way. She's
not showing up talking to the press, only scripted public
(00:39):
appearances where she is literally reading off of a script,
whether you know, a teleprompter or piece of paper in
front of her. And it's I think incredibly condescending to
the American voter that they think that they can pull
this off. The Democrats think they can pull it off.
But it is a very close race, and they got
a dementia patient elected before, so you know, anything's possible.
(01:01):
I get it. Their choice of surrogates, though lately, has
been interesting, Clay. If you were trying to pick who
you'd want to be making the case for Kamala right now,
there are names that would come to mind. You know,
obviously either one of the Obamas would be likely helpful.
I don't know who else in you know, you could
(01:23):
argue that there are I think some prominent members of
the Senate in the House right now Democrat side, who
could be effective spokespersons for the what you're.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I'm just thinking, because you're asking a really good question,
who is a man that the Democrat Party has that
could actually connect with men right now? Like you're asking,
and I'm thinking, like where she's really struggling is with men.
And you're right, Barack and Michelle Obama are probably the
two most popular in the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That would make sense, But.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I actually didn't have any, Like I was saying, there's
plenty of people they could go to it as I'm saying,
and I'm like, uh, I mean, Tim Walls can certainly
make the case to be a male feminist, but I
don't think that's going to apply, that's going to appeal
to guys.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm trying to think. You asked if I were advising
Kamala and they said, hey, Clay, we know that we're
really underwater with men. Tim Walls, This whole like coach
Walls thing is totally bombed because like, the only people
who like Tim Walls are basically male feminist not football fans.
I can't even tell you who is the most masculine
(02:27):
person in the Democrat Party that would resonate with men.
I can't even give you a name. I mean, I'm
not even kidding, like where you would be like, oh,
that guy. Maybe if they could get Fetterman, I actually
think he's probably, I mean, the most masculine Democrat right now.
Can you beat Fetterman as an elected official most masculine Democrat,
(02:51):
I'd have.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
To I'd have to look at a list. Look, I'm
not not trying to play hard to get here with
the answer. I just I don't have anyone who comes
to mind. It really was just a preamble for me
to get to who they are picking to make the case,
which I gotta say, I think she would be among
the last people on my list. Hillary Clinton. Hillary, She's
(03:13):
out there, not a good joint. She is making the
case and here she let's just start with let's start
with twenty two. Here Hillary's saying that Trump is filled
with grievance and rage, and whenever she speaks about Trump,
I just feel like all I see is oh and
one Hillary ohen one play twenty two.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
He is angrier, he is lashing out all the time
at everybody. He's filled with grievance and rage. You know,
in my acceptance speech at the convention way back in
twenty sixteen, I said, you know, you can't trust somebody
with nuclear weapons who you can bait with a tweat,
because I saw that in him. At the time, A
(03:53):
lot of people didn't, or they gave him the benefit
of the doubt where they thought, hey, you know, we've
had two terms of a Democrat, let's try the Republicans
for whatever reason. I understand that, But now the stakes
are even higher because he has a record. We have
seen him try to abuse power, we have seen him
try to overturn a legitimate, free, fair election.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I kind of say, when she says you can't trust
him with the nukes, well, he already did, actually, and
it was fine, and there were no new wars, and
it was a time of particular peace for America relative
to other recent presidencies. So that's point one on that Clay.
And also I just think it's it's a total I mean,
(04:41):
lie is even the right word. It's just it's a
fantasy that Democrats have that Trump is angry and bitter
and mean. I mean, he can get fired up about things,
but so can any politician. He has fun, He makes
more jokes and is more lighthearted in public than any
politician I have ever seen before. And it's not even
(05:02):
close on either side. By the way, he is more
willing to have fun up there on stage and to
entertain an audience, and to make jokes and to be
self deprecating than anyone else I've ever seen in politics.
And Hillary's out there saying that he's shrill and angry.
I think psychologists would call this projection.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Also, think about how difficult that is with the level
of pressure that's on him, in addition to being in
the middle of a presidential campaign where there have been
two assassination attempts against him in the last sixty days,
and also to be in a situation where they're trying
to bankrupt him and put him in prison for the
(05:43):
rest of his life. To be able to get out
of the bed, and even factor in that he's seventy
eight or seventy nine years old, is pretty solid evidence
that he's just built different I mean, buck, think about
just this aspect. What percentage of a man Americans do
you think would be comfortable getting up on a stage
(06:04):
to talk to thousands of people again if they had
come within a quarter inch of having their head blown off.
I mean, you talk about post traumatic stress, which is
a very real thing that affects people who have been
under fire. Trump was hit by a bullet on July thirteenth,
and he has continued to get up on the stage
and talk to audiences in front of massive crowds, and
(06:29):
be as publicly available as any president that I can remember,
in terms of shaking hands and kissing babies and doing
the general aspects of what is required to win presidential office.
I don't think very many men or women would have
the intestinal fortitude to be willing to get up on
the stage and do it fearlessly like he is doing
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it in the wake of these two assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think that's true. I also think, and this is dark,
but I believe it, so I will say it that
one of the reasons it feels like nothing has really
changed in the public discussion, in the rhetoric, you know,
just nothing has changed at all in the aftermath of
now two assassination attempts, one where he actually took a
(07:15):
bullet in the ear. It's still miraculous that Trump wasn't
killed that day. I will never stop being grateful for
the country, honestly for the country, because God knows what
that would have led to. That you know that Trump
was okay. I think one of the reasons though, and
this is the part of it that gets darklay that
nothing has changed here is I think a lot I
(07:39):
can't give you a percentage, and I'm not saying all,
but I think a lot of Democrats are unbothered by
these assassination attempts on Trump, and I do believe that
a not insignificant portion of them are disappointed with the outcome,
and that's a very bad place for the country to be.
(08:00):
I have never once thought, and all of the time
I've been working in politics, you know, in media, and
before that, when I was working for a government, I
have never once thought I wish physical harm would come
to some to an American politician because I disagree with
what he or she believes. I'm not saying people are
involved in it. I'm just saying what they wish for.
(08:22):
And I think there are, unfortunately a lot of Democrats
you can see it online. You don't have to take
my word for it, who are unbothered and even disappointed
by the fact that Trump is still walking around okay,
and that is is terrifying as just a commentary on
how toxic the look, how toxic the ideological left has
(08:43):
become in this country, and how unmoored from the standards
and the systems and the institutions that they pretend to
care about they really are.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I was out last night. It's interesting that you mentioned this.
I went out for dinner, but right beforehand, I met
a friend who is from New York City that was
in town and we were just having a drink and
he was talking about exactly this. He said that he
went out with several of his buddies from high school,
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and all of those guys that these buddies with from
high school are big Democrats, and he hadn't seen him
in a few months, and they went out and they
hadn't been together since July thirteenth, and he said, all
those guys said, yeah, we were on a text chain,
like damn, I'm sorry they missed him.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And he was very common I know, and you say this,
and the Democrats will jump down your throat and say, no,
that's not true. It is true. I've heard it from
a lot of people. I've heard people that have just
had conversations, whether with their barista or their cab driver,
or you know, just somebody that they have some exchange
with in the aftermath of both of these assassination attempts,
(09:53):
where people express a desire that the other outcome could
have happened, and that there is something deeply disturbing and
menacing about how widespread that mentality is among Democrats. Because
it is very real and we all know that it's
out there.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think thirty to forty percent at least of diehard
Democrats wish Trump was dead and that the assassination attempts
had worked.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't think that there is anywhere near that element
in terms of sheer numbers in the Republican Party or
people who are voting for Trump about Kamala or Biden.
They won't talk about it in the media to a
large extent. Buck we just saw a Department of Justice
(10:40):
charges come down for an Alaskan guy. I think I
just screenshoted this who has been threatening to kill all
six Supreme Court justices. A guy named Panos conservative. I'm
guessing if it's six, it's the six ones that are
not the left wing loons. Okay, he donated to Democrats
(11:03):
eighty times. Just got arrested in Alaska for threatening to
kill the six conservative justices. He donated to Democrats eighty times.
Department of Justice just arrested him.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Again.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
They're six conservatives. They aren't naming the justices, but there
are six conservatives. Guy voted donated eighty times to Democrat causes.
If any of these stories had occurred and diehard Donald
Trump's supporters were involved, it's all you would hear about
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the toxicity that exists on the right. I would submit
to you. On the right, there is a deep held
belief and faith and fervor for Trump. It isn't on
the left a deep fervor for Kamala. They hate Trump, yes,
and so hate is the motivator to get people to kill.
(11:57):
People who are supporting Trump, by and large, just want
Trump to stay healthy and want Trump to win. A
lot of people who are supporting in quotation marks Kamala
legitimately want Trump dead. And again this ties in with
the whole trying to compare him to Hitler and say
he's a threat to democracy. If you really believe that
to be true, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden wouldn't have
(12:19):
called Trump after the second assassination attempt and wished him well.
They are lying about him being Hitler or a direct
threat to democracy because it motivates their base, but a
lot of that base really believes it, which is why
they're trying to kill him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I just I wish there was a way that I mean,
this is kind of a separate thought, but I see
you agree with me that there's that the desire for
physical harm against Trump is tragically far more widespread in
common among Democrats across the country than I think a
lot of people on the right realize. Like you know,
I still have contact with the left and Democrats in
(12:55):
different ways, and I'm able to observe and hear from
different people who are hearing as well, and it's very common.
But just on the side, this whole notion that Trump
is a threat to democracy, I wish, you know, I
wish there was a way that I could put up,
like what would be for me a large sum of
money to bet like a Mark Cuban or one of
(13:16):
these guys. The democracy is going to be just fine. Okay,
there's going to be an election in four more years
and everything, you know, And what kind of odds would
they give me on this one? Because I feel like
these these imbeciles, we should just be able to make
them put their money with their mouth.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Democracy is going to fall party.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
A bunch of cry baby loons, and you know they're
emotionally destabilized because they don't have the internal courage of
their convictions to block out all the nonsense about the
threat to democracy. I mean, I would I would place
a huge bet against some of these great ideas, huge
bet that you know, they say democracy is under threat,
and say, okay, if Trump wins, how much you're going
(13:54):
to put down on the table that there is a
completely normal, legitimate election in four years after Trump has
his second term. I'd put you know, whatever money I
have at hand.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That's a great point. I would put down as much
as I could too. They wouldn't actually put it down,
but it is. It would be great to call him out,
all right, speaking of calling him out, Buck, this is fun.
I bombed last time on my prize picks. Pick utter
defeat went down in a blaze of not even real glory,
just a blaze, not an ideal way to go down,
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not even a blaze of glory. I've got what I
hope is going to be a winner tonight for everybody
on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
First of all, we get my prize pick out, so
you got to actually you know I'm taking right now.
How about you are going to keep there, buddy? All right,
let's know we.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Need to win.
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Caleb Williams over a half passing yards automatic win. Can't
lose that one. I'm going I think it's gonna be
low scoring tonight. For those of you out there that
don't know, we have got a game between the New
England Patriots and the New York Jets. Our Boston and
our New York area listener certainly know about this. I'm
going less on Jacoby Brissett under one hundred and sixty
(15:05):
four and a half passing yards. I'm going less on
Aaron Rodgers. I think it's going to be a defensive
struggle less than two hundred and thirteen and a half
passing yards for Aaron Rodgers. And as part of it
being a defensive struggle, I'm going for more than one
and a half field goals from Greg Zerline, one of
(15:26):
the kickers in this game tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If I am right, that is a ten to one payout.
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And if you are listening right now and you are saying,
Klay Travis, you are the biggest moron that has ever lived.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You can
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Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I wanted
to play this CNN guest Peter Hanby talking about what
we were discussing. Are there any men that actually have
any appeal at all for the Democrat Party? This is
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what just aired on CNN. Listen manon Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
He plays golf with Bryson Deshambo.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
He goes on fiovon, he talks about Zen's and you
know Democrats.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I'm sorry, like they haven't had a cool guy candidate
in a while.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
And like, with all your respect to Tim Walls, like
Tim Wells appeals to a lot of men.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He also appeals to that guy Bruce.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, Jeff Packie.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
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He's already going to vote Democrats.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It's really funny, but you got I mean that kind
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is doing very well with women, but it's not I
think there are women who can speak well for Trump?
The question we were debating, which I think is a
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this person makes a real difference and cuts through the
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Am I Racist? Just a few days ago and really
enjoyed it. Watch it with my wife Kerry. I thought
it was really fun and we love to see people
from our side of just the view of life. If
(19:16):
you will, not just the right, but just people that
see the world through rationalize to make creative content. And
Matt Walsh is with us now. He is from the
Daily Wire, the Matt wallsh Show. His movie Am I Racist?
Is in theaters. It is super funny and Matt did
a great job. Matt, appreciate you making the time for us.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Let's start with I'm noticing a trend, Matt, which is
everyone that I speak to or see who has seen
the movie thinks it's really well done, really clever, really funny.
And yet so the Rotten Tomatoes for the fans or
for the audience, I should say, very strong, but I
feel like you're getting a little frozen out some of
(20:00):
the mainstream critics. What's going on?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, very completely frozen out in fact, So as it
stands right now, we did just finally get an official
Rotten Tomatoes Tomato rating because we got to ten reviews
from the critics, and it's right now, it's good. I
think we're sitting at eighty percent. But those are all
independent reviewers who we really appreciate the fact that they
reviewed the film. We have yet to have a single
(20:27):
critic film critic from a mainstream publication review the film,
which I think is, if not unprecedented, it certainly is
extremely uncommon that you would have a top five theatrically
widely released film that is not reviewed at all by
any mainstream publication, even a week after release. I can't
(20:48):
think of another example of this happening.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I mean, is it just there, Matt, Is it that
they're they're too sorry, just they're too scared to even
you would think that they could just review it and
trash it, right, Like, that's what the commis would usually do.
But are they just too scared to even say anything
about it or bring attention to it.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I think that's it, because you're right, we're very used
to seeing the Rotten Tomatoes thing, where it's like a
thirty five percent critics score and a ninety percent audience score.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's usually what they do.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
They just go in and trash the film because it's
made by someone they don't like.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
In this case, they.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Won't even do that, and so I can only assume
it's because they don't want to acknowledge that, you know,
we are we are exposing the Dei grift, and if
they acknowledge the film, they're acknowledging sort of that exposure,
and they don't want to do that. And also I'm
very biased, of course, but I think it's a good movie,
and it's gonna be harder for them to pretend that
it's just a total piece of garbage. You'll have to
(21:41):
they'll have to give it, Like I think they have
to give a some credit if they review it, and
they don't want to do that because they're worried that
their audience will rip them to shreds if they don't
rip us to shreds. So that's kind of the buying
that they're in.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I guess Matt appreciate you coming on. This is Clay
your seat mate on the most recent flight. I bet
you took to La Matt and I ended up sitting
side by side coming back to Nashville. So and on Monday,
I went to go see this last week. And here's
the best compliment I can give for people who have
not seen the movie? Am I racist that Matt Walsh
made your performance? And I'm not even trying to pump
(22:16):
you up here. As I was watching it, it felt
both Sasha Baron Cohen and Larry David esque in that
there was a lot of cringe humor right, which would
be very common with Larry David. But also in the
same way, back when the Barrat movies were doing their Heyday,
you allowed people to expose themselves merely by almost acting
(22:39):
as a mirror to reflect them. I'm curious when you
were making the movie, did you think about either of
those guys as people who had done something that you
were similarly trying to do? Part one, Part two? How
do you keep a straight face for all this. Were
there elements of this movie where you broke down and
started to laugh? Is there an out take version? Or
(23:00):
you just uniquely skilled that deadpan comedy?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
And I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate it'sitt next to
you on the plane. You're the first person in twenty
years I've sat next to on a plane was reading
a physical newspaper. So that was that was an interesting experience,
which I respect a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
By the way, and you know, yes we did. I
I always.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Appreciate the comparisons to Borat Larry David. I mean, these
are these are comic geniuses. So even if they are
far to the left and we don't agree politically at all,
but they're using a style of humor a Sasha Baron
called in particular, using a style of comedy that to
this point the right has not made use of. And
(23:39):
but the thing is that the left isn't really using
it either. I mean you could go back, yeah, you
go back to Borat, the first one, the only funny one.
Even early John Stewart Daily Show doing a lot of
this kind of thing, and they've really gotten away from
it too.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So I think it sort of opens up.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
There's a there's a wide open market here to come in,
and that's what we're trying to do it in terms
of maintaining the deadpan.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The honest truth is, but I wasn't very.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Tempted to laugh in the moment because in the moment,
in real time, when you're in the room with these people,
they are so aggressively unpleasant and quite ugly in the
way that they approach life and the things that they're saying,
that the temptation is less to laugh and more to
like yell at them and start arguing with them, which
was very much my instinct that I had to hold
(24:22):
back on that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We're speaking of Matt Walsh. He has the movie Am
I Racist?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Out now.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Clay and I have both seen it. Highly recommend that
you will enjoy it, and I do. Matt, if I may,
you know you were talking with critics before. I have
one one point of criticism that I wanted to address
with you directly here on the show, and it's when
you made the decision to go undercover. And my wife
and I looked at each other. We had the same thought, Matt,
(24:48):
if you shaved your beard, you could become Biden's White
House Press secretary, like nobody would know who Matt Walsh
is Son's beard? Was there a consideration for going full
deep cover here of shaving the beard or is that
just like Sampson's hair, the temple falls around you. You
can't do it because the man bun. I mean, you
(25:09):
still look like Matt watsh with the man bun, but
without that beard. Dude, I don't know. I don't think.
I don't think anybody would know we did.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
We sat around in a conference room having a long
conversation about this is what my job entails, sitting around
the conference room having a very serious professional dialogue about
what costume I should wear. And it was suggested by
multiple people in the room that hey, if I just
shaved the beard, but that I shut that down immediately,
(25:36):
that's off the I'm willing to do a lot of
things to expose the Left.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think I've shown that I draw the line there.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
I cannot do that, and I cannot force you know what,
I can't force my wife and children to live with
me beardless. They wouldn't allow me to do it. They
would they would run in terror if I walked in
the home without a beard.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So I just I can't. I couldn't do it. I
couldn't do it, Matt.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Any movie or book or anything that you try to
make where you're creating something you're not really sure how
it's going to turn out. In the process of being
in the middle of it, that that creative spark, however
you want to describe it. Sometimes it comes through and
you're like, Man, this book's gonna come out perfectly. I'm curious.
The movie is fantastic. Again, I would encourage people to
(26:20):
go watch it. It's really funny, and it's on a
lot of theaters out there right now. We should have mentioned,
so you can go see it in your state, your communities,
you can look it up. At what point, as you're
making the movie, did you think to yourself, Okay, we've
got something here. I think this is going to be
really good. Was there a moment, was there a scene,
Was there something that that worked better than you anticipated?
(26:42):
When was that moment for you in the midst of
the making of this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I can tell exactly where that moment was.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
It was Robin D'Angelo, the Robin d Angelo scene, and
which the spoilers are everywhere now. Anyway, so there's no
point and heiding the fact that we you know, we
did get Robin D'Angelo and we convinced to pay reparations
to my black producer on camera, among other exercises that
we had her do with me, and when we got that,
(27:10):
we actually did that somewhat early on in filming, and
after we got that scene, we knew that, okay, we
have a movie here. I mean, even if we get
nothing else, this alone justifies the existence of the film.
And fortunately we got a lot more than that, but
that was certainly that was the moment we all looked
at each other and said, all right, I guess we
have a movie.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I actually got to tell you something, Matt. I break
with some of the consensus here, because my favorite part
of the movie is actually begin like the beginning of
the movie, when you're at the when you're having like
the Dei seminar and that lady and the guy gets
mad at you and you said you didn't consent to
be touched. That's that's one of my favorite parts. But
also the fact that they call the police on you, Well,
(27:53):
on what basis were they calling the police on you?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Well, apparently I made them feel unsafe. You hear the
girl in that scene, the woman say that she doesn't
feel safe, which is really funny because not only was
I not being aggressive or hostile, but I was actually
my sin in that group was I was too eager
a participant. I was so eager to be a part
(28:19):
of this and just starting my journey that and yet
still they somehow felt they felt unsafe. But by the way,
I actually my own personal favorite scene in the movie
is that the opening workshop scene.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Maybe it's just you know, the opportunity to.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Antagonize those people for two hours was just a lot
of a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
So I really liked that scene.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I also liked it again we're given some spoilers. We're
talking to Matt Walsh the movies. Am I racist? The
local news segments, the Good Morning Utah or whatever it was.
I mean, I really lost it on that they didn't
do like the basic amount of research. But I'm just
curious on the making how many local news broadcast did
(29:02):
you guys have to reach out to to get the
interviews that you did and were there? Because I also
think it's really funny if you happened to be a
Daily Wire fan or a Matt Walsh Fan and Good
Morning Utah or whatever the heck it was was on.
Did anybody clip those and share them? Did you see
it get like yourself getting tagged? I'm really kind of
fascinated how that happened, because it's kind of a giveaway
(29:24):
of what's going on potentially. Did people just never know
that that happened, or were you concerned that that might
get out virally and help kind of make it clear
what you were doing. I'm curious how that segment of
the movie went.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, we assumed.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
We assumed when we did that that it would be
out that the next day it's gonna be all over Twitter.
So we just went into it with that assumption, and
I was shocked that that didn't happen. I mean, I
got a few emails from people who happened to be
watching these various news segments saying some funny emails like
was that, I'm pretty su I just saw you in
(30:01):
a man bun on my local news, But was that
actually you? And I just ignored the emails, so I
don't I don't know why that didn't end up on
the internet. I guess it's providential. But the truth is
that of all the things we did that was the
easiest to set up. I mean, these local news channels
did like zero due diligence. We didn't even give them
(30:22):
my last name. We just said that like I'm Matt,
the DEI guy or whatever, and that was the anchors
me that way. They didn't even ask my last name
at any point, which was pretty remark.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Did the anchors figure it out like by the end
or are they still like Matt? That was great? Like
thanks for decentering our whiteness.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I think that the ones in Utah, the ones where
I was in person, I could tell because that was
a longer segment obviously than what they appears.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
In the movie.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
And by the end of that conversation, they were kind
of looking at each other like this is something's not
right here. But they had to, you know, they were
profess was about I'll give them that. They just went
with it, and then I finished my interview and I left.
I put by the way, one of the ways I
got in there is I was wearing a COVID mask
behind the scenes, and I wore that right until the
(31:12):
cameras came on, so that if they did recognize me,
it would happened on camera.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So I didn't do that to disguise myself.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
I only did it for safety because I was really
concerned about my safety and everyone else is.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Of course, I want to give you guys credit at
the Daily Wire because I was in Lady Ballers. I
have a small role.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
This movie now too.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But I've talked with a lot of the guys and
gals that work over there, and I think many people
out there listening to us right now this is really
going to register with them too. Starting at about twenty ten,
movies just stopped being funny. There has not been a
real I mean, there were tons in the early two thousands.
You can go back and watch whatever you think of
the politics, Super Bad, Old School. You know, we can
(31:53):
run through a long list of forty year old virgin
of movies that were made that were actually very funny.
Everybody could go and watch and laugh at them. And
then they just stopped. And I'm curious what you would
attribute that to, But to your point, it creates a
huge marketplace for opportunity, right for actually movies that just
want to make people laugh.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
It's fascinating to me just as a matter of kind
of history that it seems there's a real cutoff point.
About twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen is the last time
you see real comedies from Hollywood, and then it really,
as you said, it's tough for about ten years.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I don't know what exactly the attribute to that too.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I think that, you know, Trump came on the scene
a couple of years after that, and that helped to
kill comedy from the left. And one of the reasons
is that they're so angry and they consider Trump to
be such an existential threat that it was almost like, well,
we can't do comedy anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It's not serious enough.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Political satire in particular from the left, I think dropped
off after that because it wasn't serious enough, and anytime
they talk about Trump, they have to seriously convey that
he's a threat to theocracy in all this nonsense, and
so they started to take themselves way too seriously, and
in an odd sort of way, they started to take
their opponents too seriously too, And I think that that
(33:13):
is what has created this this vacuum that you know,
the Babylon b has been doing it for a while,
but I think there's a lot more we could be
doing on the right to come in and sort of
fill that vacuum because if they don't want to be funny, like, hey,
it's let's do it. Because comedy is a it is
a it's a very disarming thing. It's like kind of
a universal language. If you can make people laugh, then
(33:36):
you made them laugh. And and whether you're leftist or conservative, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
A way to kind of convey a message to everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
The movie is am I Racist. You should go check
it out. It's Matt right wide release in theaters. People
can just look on their localistics.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Absolutely or you can go to ami Racist dot com
to get tickets.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Matt, great work, man, clinn. I really enjoyed it. Thanks
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Thanks guys, appreciate it.
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Speaker 7 (35:50):
I just want to say yesterday was the first time
I ever went to a rally, and it was the
best thing I ever did in my life. Twenty thousand people.
Every seat was filled. I took a bet with my friend.
I said, no way. I lost the bets. And I
have to say the love that the people have with
Donald Trump, what I saw is so beautiful. And when
(36:11):
I looked at twenty thousand people with my own eyes
and I count up by six and I think of
all the immigrants coming to this country. That's the amount
of people. I saw it with my own eyes. It's overwhelming.
And I wanted to say one more thing. I could
not get over the standing ovation that Rudy Giuliani received.
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He says Trump is my friend, and he went up
there and the thunderous applaud the adjurations to him as
well to me. His heart was mended from.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
OH, very good call. Thank you. We'll talk to you
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