April 7, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show widens the lens beyond the Iran deadline to focus on space exploration, cultural sanity, media accountability, voter turnout, and a wide‑ranging, in‑depth interview with Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. This third hour of the program blends optimism, cultural critique, and substantive policy discussion, offering listeners a contrast to the intensity of earlier Iran-focused hours while still recognizing the high‑stakes global moment.
Hour 3 begins with renewed acknowledgment of President Donald Trump’s 8:00 p.m. Eastern deadline with Iran, but Clay and Buck intentionally pivot to a major positive development: the successful completion of the Artemis II mission. They highlight President Trump’s remarks congratulating the crew for traveling farther from Earth than any humans in history, circling the far side of the moon, and laying the groundwork for a permanent U.S. presence on the lunar surface and eventual missions to Mars. The hosts emphasize that Artemis II represents American innovation, national ambition, and a return to frontier‑driven leadership, framing space exploration as central to U.S. identity, technological advancement, and long‑term prosperity.
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discuss the cultural importance of astronauts as one of the last broadly admired and bipartisan American “heroes,” contrasting public trust in astronauts with declining faith in other institutions. They also jokingly note how renewed space travel further undermines flat‑earth conspiracy theories, which leads into a more serious discussion about the growing incentive structure in media and social platforms that rewards misinformation, extremism, and conspiracy content regardless of truth or consequences.
A major segment of Hour 3 centers on the dangers of conspiracy culture, particularly within right‑leaning media spaces. Buck Sexton warns that manufactured delusions—once largely associated with progressive politics—are increasingly appearing on the right, fueled by clicks, monetization, and viral outrage. The hosts strongly condemn online conspiracy claims surrounding the murder of Charlie Kirk, calling them morally repugnant and dangerous. They warn that these narratives could poison jury pools, distort justice, and weaponize lies in real-world criminal trials. Clay compares such behavior to the Westboro Baptist Church, arguing that free speech does not shield people from moral accountability.
The hour also includes listener calls reinforcing the importance of civic participation. A caller from Kentucky stresses that elections are decided by turnout, citing narrow gubernatorial races as evidence that apathy—not persuasion—often determines outcomes. Clay and Buck reiterate that sitting out elections guarantees defeat and that voter disengagement is among the greatest risks to long‑term political success.
The centerpiece of Hour 3 is an extensive interview with HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who provides a detailed update on the MAHA (Make America Healthy Again) agenda. Kennedy outlines sweeping reforms underway at HHS, including requiring hospitals to serve real, nutritious food, removing petroleum‑based food dyes, reversing decades of industry‑driven dietary guidelines, addressing microplastics, ending animal testing, and restructuring the FDA’s “generally recognized as safe” loophole. He frames chronic disease as both a national health and national security crisis, citing childhood obesity, metabolic disease, and skyrocketing healthcare costs.
Kennedy also addresses declining trust in public health institutions following COVID‑19, arguing that transparency, honesty, and acknowledging uncertainty are the only ways to rebuild credibility. He explains reforms aimed at reducing pharmaceutical prices through “most favored nation” pricing and highlights dramatic disparities between U.S. drug costs and European prices. A particularly timely discussion focuses on peptides and GLP‑1 medications, where RFK Jr. explains how Biden‑era FDA actions pushed widely used peptides into legal gray and black markets despite no documented safety signals. He argues for restoring regulated access so Americans are not forced to rely on unverified sources, emphasizing evidence‑based regulation over prohibition.
The interview concludes with Kennedy contrasting the current reform agenda with what he says would have been regulatory stagnation under a Kamala Harris administration. He also details uncovering massive Medicare and Medicaid fraud schemes, particularly in South Florida, and restoring program integrity units dismantled under Biden.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody. Third hour of the Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show gets going right now, and Clay I
thought this would be a fun one to do instead
of just focusing relentlessly on Iran, which we are very
much dialed into. But there's only so much that can
be said about it right now. We know we have
an HPM Eastern deadline tonight laid out by President Trump
(00:21):
in which he said, more or less concede to the
Trump Administration's demands Iranian regime, or your civilization will be
ended on the other side of things, on the other
side of the world, the other side of the moon,
perhaps Artemis two. Here is Trump. This has cut eight.
He is greeting the Artemis two crew after they have
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returned from behind the far side of the Moon. Here's
how it went play eight.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hello, very special, Hello to Artemis two. Today you've made
history and made all America really proud and incredibly proud.
We have a lot of things to be proud of lately,
but there's nothing like what you're doing, circling around the
Moon for the first time in more than a half
a century and breaking the all time record for the
farthest distance from planet Earth. Humans have really never seen
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anything quite like what you're doing. Your mission paves the
way for America's return to the lunar surface very soon.
We're going all out. We're doing everything we can, and
it's set it up by Jarrett. We'll plant our flag
once again, and this time we won't just leave footprints.
We'll establish a permanent presence on the Moon and we'll
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push on to Mars.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Clay. It's actually very exciting what's going on. I know
there's a lot of focus on other things, but it's
it's another small step from man another mansion.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know what I mean, doing a quote one of
those Well yeah, look, I know we said this yesterday,
and every time I mention it, people are mad at
me in the mansions. I think this is an awesome story.
We have now sent humans farther from Earth than ever
in the history of our civilization. That seems pretty awesome
(02:12):
to me. And I understand people out there are not
excited about the idea of trying to have a Moon
base or trying to colonize Mars. Some of you are
not excited about that. I actually think it is incredibly important.
Look this country, if you want me to get on
a soapbox. Was founded on the idea of frontiers, of
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always going to the next horizon, of always trying to
create something better than what came before it. I would
say that is our national DNA, and that is why
this country has thrived when other countries have collapsed. And
I think exploration now we have to explore in space.
But certainly you can explore at the bottom of the oceans,
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and you can explore at the top of the mountains.
But I feel like we have a pretty good sense
for what is now here on Earth. Space is the
next exploration for humanity, and so I think extending what
we're capable of is significant, to say nothing buck of
the fact that many of our great technological innovations come
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about by trying to press the horizon forward when it
comes to humanity being able to go into space. In
other words, the space age fibers which we create legitimately
aid us in many other different aspects of life here.
And I believe, look, this is me getting on my
kind of further soapbox, that space X in particular and
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Starlink and all these other entities that are now space
based are going to make civilization on Earth much better.
So I've been following Artemist two. I think it is
we had last week Jared isaacman On. I think this
is a significant achievement for mankind in I don't see
(04:01):
it in this era where we're talking about what's going
to happen in Iran. I think it's worth pausing and saying, hey,
it's kind of a big deal. This is something we
should all be proud of. And I think the astronauts
themselves we played Victor Glover the other day, I actually
think they've been pretty eloquent advocates for the importance of
space exploration, and many of their answers to questions have
(04:23):
gone viral as a result that are very positive.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Here's Trump continuing with his chat with the Artemis two crew.
This has cut ten from the Commander chief.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Heurious, I really look forward to when we can to
look forward to seeing you in the Oval Office. I'll
ask Jared to bring you over, and I'll ask for
your autograph, because I don't really ask for autographs much,
but you deserve that. You really are something. Everybody's talking
about this and I look forward to having you in
the Oval Office at the White House, and we will
(04:55):
celebrate your incredible achievements and triumphs. This is big, This
is really big stuff. The whole world is talking about it.
And if you have the time, I will certainly find
the time. I've been pretty busy also, as you know,
but I will absolutely find the time and we'll get together,
and I'm going to be giving you a big salute
(05:15):
on behalf of the American people, and beyond that.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Thank you for that, mister President. And when you want us,
we will be there.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Play one of the last groups, it seems around last occupations,
last cultural heroes that feel like they're still like a
bipartisan high five can go out to them, and it's
not about it is about the greatness of mankind and
scientific achievement and exploration and whatever. Astronauts. I feel like
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people still like astronauts. I think there hasn't been you know,
I don't know about people in lab coats who are like,
turn and cough, give me your knee, let's check your reflexes.
Ever since Fauci, doctors have gone in for some rough stuff.
But astronauts people like. That's a great question. I think
astronauts probably number one. What are like the top two
(06:08):
or three professions that people still hold in high esteem.
That's astronaut might be number one, where you just you know,
kind of. I think military and police are still very
high in the general population.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Cops are very that's cops can go. I think have
come back. They've come back now after being attacked for
a long time. I think military typically rate very highly.
This is also fun I don't know if you've seen
some on social media. I saw a funny comment. I
don't remember who to attribute it to, but it was
very funny that the flat earthers are like the conspiracy.
(06:45):
They're one of the few conspiracists to actually get blown up.
You know, it's hard to still be a flat earther.
I think, on now that we've sent astronauts again and
we're getting I think it was always hard.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I said, I said, what happens to all those guys?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Now?
Speaker 6 (06:59):
What what?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Because they move on to I tell you what they're
moving on to. They're saying that these are all fake.
Well this is what they have to Yeah, it's it's
fake all over again. It's actually like wag the dog
for Trump's Iran debacle or something like that. It has
to be because you can never the thing about getting
deep into the conspiracy is that the conspiracy can never end.
(07:20):
The whole fun of it is that you have no
accountability for being wrong, and you know something that no
one else knows. There's always more information to prove that
you're right. So the conspiracy can never be proven wrong.
So this is gonna go dark because I would say
that was a lot of you're trying to we having.
We were having a lot and a lot of positivity
(07:41):
about space. I think that, uh. And I said this
the other day in a public forum, and I don't
know if it got picked up or not, but I
think I've said it on the show before. If I haven't,
some people should get bankrupted for the things that they say.
And some of you out there are going to say, well, well, Clay,
what about free speech. You can believe in free speech,
(08:03):
but free speech does not mean that it's freedom from consequence.
And some of the things that I see online, and
I'll use as an example, the idea like if you
made your entire world based on the idea that, hey,
flat Earth is going to exist. You mentioned the idea
of hey, the world's going to come to an end tomorrow,
(08:25):
and you can get a lot of attention. People have
done this for generations. They've said, Hey, the world's going
to end tomorrow, and then the day comes, world doesn't end.
And then you get up the next day and you,
unless you're pull in a jonestown, you get everybody to
commit suicide with you, which is a super dark element
of this.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Have we ever talked about the Reasonable Lists on the show?
I feel like I've mentioned this years and years ago,
but I don't know if you and I were, I
don't think so. I don't know that from Well, aren't
you curious about the group known as the Reasonable Lists? Yes,
and this is from the TV show Parks and rec
which was I think at NBC sitcom, which I've seen.
I've saw saw all the episodes of it. There are
(09:02):
some people who say that I even look like one
of the actors from the show, and I disagree with that,
but it is something that I hear. But that's a show.
And there is a group that meets in the park
that every year to celebrate the end of the world
and like the aliens coming to take everybody. And they
call themselves the Reasonablest, because how can you argue with
(09:26):
people who are the But every year they have, and
this is like the joke on the show. Every year
they have to come up with why it wasn't the
end of the world. And that's true of a lot
of people in the conspiracy mindset. No matter what, no
matter what you provide to them, it's oh, you're in
on it. Oh there's more. Oh that's fake. And that's
true of the flat earth, fake moon landing people as well.
(09:49):
You'll never The fun of the game is that they
just get to make it up as they go along,
and they're smarter than everybody else. Rights. It's really more
of a psychological posture than it is actually an analysis
of what's real and what's not.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
When you are proven objectively to be wrong, and that
objectively being wrong has no consequences for you, and even
worse than that, it is rewarded because you make more
money than you otherwise would. And I'm not talking about opinion, right,
you know what should happen in Iran that is largely
(10:22):
opinion based. Right, everybody can have whatever opinion they want,
but there are some things that are one billion percent untrue.
For instance, today I saw as I'm going around social media,
it is now trending that Trump is responsible for Charlie
Kirk being murdered. That is a new argument that is
(10:45):
out there that some people are going to make a
lot of money arguing in favor of. And I just
look around and you and I were talking about this
off air that I think these conspiracies on Charlie Kirk
in particular have so taken root Buck that I'm saying
this as if I was an attorney his defense. This
Tyler Robinson, I believe is his name, the charged killer
(11:09):
of Charlie Kirk, His defense is going to come out
of this internet cesspool and it is going to be
that he was set up and they are going to
argue in front of the courts and everything else. I
didn't do this. I was set up. It was Donald Trump,
it was Israel, it was Erica Kirk, it was all
(11:31):
these different people that clearly had nothing to do with
Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is such a feverdom in
the social media space that there is going to be
an actual murder defense that is rooted on these lies.
And Buck, here's what's scary to me. It might work.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
There might be is one member of that jury who
is a conspiracist and believes this stuff. Look, I get
people the stuff that's proliferating on the internet on the
right these days. You know, I'm going to tell you
guys this my book, and I'm sorry Clay Clay has
been very patiently putching the book all the time. But
I mean they dropped the price recently Clay manufactured. Oh
(12:12):
it's a great deal, but better One part of the
book though, that I in retrospect, People ask me, can
this affect the right? The stuff that I talk about
which has completely overtaken the left? Okay, And we would
go through and then Clan I talk about this on
a daily basis on the show, the Men and Women's
sports things, and the you know, the climate change, which
(12:32):
you don't really hear about very much anymore, but it's
like the biggest threat in the world. And all the
fauci you know, vaccine, take it or you're gonna die, madness,
all these things. The left went nuts, okay, and the
left made itself nuts. And that's a big thing. People
ask me, Clay, they say, can the same stuff happen
on the right, And the answer is, yeah, it's happening.
It didn't really happen when I was writing the book,
(12:52):
which is why it's not in there. But I might
have to come back to this now and be like, hey, guys,
this can be a problem on our side too. People
can manufacture delusion on the right as well. And when
you're having people say that Donald Trump had one of
his and somebody was effectively like an adopted some to him,
you know what, I can't even stay it on the air,
can't even say it. It's like two gross to even say, honestly,
(13:13):
it's just so.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But this is I think it is at some point
there are no consequences, and worse than consequences, there's actually
reward for insanity in media. And I think it's now
the fever pitch there is going to legitimately lead to
a defense in a court is going to be he
(13:36):
didn't do it. This was all one big conspiracy. And
my concern is that one of the twelve jurors in
Utah is going to be susceptible to this argument and
might well buy it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Do you remember the Westboro Baptist Church. Oh yeah, we're
just the the disgusting, disgusting, just slovenly moral, creting mess
of the Westborough. And they would show up at soldier's
funerals and say the worst imaginable things. Now do they
have a First Amendment right? You know, I mean where
are they? Are they on private property is it? But
(14:09):
you know, on the roads or something. Now they have
a First Amendment right. But it was such such a
clearly disgusting thing people that are saying that Charlie Kirk,
that people who are either his wife or his dear
friends or the Trump administration had anything to do with
any It's up there with Westborough Baptist Church stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It is.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's that level of like, come on, that's just disgusting. So,
you know, people have said, why don't we get into
this because we don't want to get into the muck.
We want to talk about what's really happening. But I
mean Clays telling me this is trending right now on Twitter. Guys,
I don't need to say this stand of you because
you're listening to us because you don't like the crazy idiocy.
You like real people with real thoughts, who are leading
(14:46):
happy and successful lives, who appreciate and love all of
you and want to bring you the truth. But there's
a lot of nonsense out there right now on the
right there's a lot of it. You got to watch out.
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Speaker 3 (16:00):
Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot
of callers out there are still wanting to react to
a variety of different topics. Let's go Ken and Louisville, Kentucky. Ken,
what you got for?
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Well, hello, guys, good to talk to you. That caller
that you had of you back he and anyone else
that feels that way about sitting out of elections, well,
their memory must not be working or they're just fools.
I can clearly remember the eight years of Obama, and
I can remember the four years of Biden, and it's
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a stark difference to what President Trump has done in
his two four year terms. And what scares me with
the upcoming elections is either people like Tyler or just
the general apathy of American voters. You guys have occasionally
talked about our governor, oh gosh, his name now, Andy
(17:02):
Bsher Yeah, yes, Andy Basheer when he beat Matt Bevans,
the incumbent. The first time he beat Matt Bevans by
about fifty six hundred votes. Now, in his reelection, he
went against Daniel Cameron. If Daniel Cameron had received the
(17:24):
same number of votes that Matt Bevan received when he
lost to Basheer, Daniel Cameron would be the mayor, excuse me,
would be the governor of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Now, yep, no, thank you for the call. We've got
to break the head. But showing up matters, and if
you're not willing to show up, it's hard to argue
that you are angry about whatever the outcomes might be.
The bare minimum is show up and vote. Now, it's
gonna be hard to get people out because midterms always are.
We'll talk about that takes more of your calls. Actually,
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Speaker 1 (18:48):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We are joined
now by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F.
Kennedy Junior. Mister Secretary. Great to have you on the program.
Thanks for making the time for us.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Thank you very very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You got two guys here who are middle aged, got kids,
and trying to up their health game in a big way.
So I'm going to tell you we are and this
audience is very dialed in to the MAHA agenda. Can
I just first ask you, because look, we got a
war in Iran, we got some big things happening. Haven't
heard that much about what's going on from your side
(19:25):
of the equation from MAHA world lately. Can you bring
everyone up to speed with what has been done in
twenty twenty six or what are the biggest wins so
far since you've taken the helmet HHS, the people need to.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Know about well. I mean, whilst week alonely god agreements
from the medicals from the hospitals around the country to
begin giving hospital pations real food instead of the terrible
stuff of the appalling foods that they feed you in hospital.
(19:59):
We sent out it a letter to all the hospitals
ay Man they could not collect Medicare and Medicaid Sunday
unless they started giving good food to their patients. We
also announced that a comprehensive new program on addressing microplastics
in the society and the biggest accomplishments I think over
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the last year, we're flipping the food pyramid, getting readen
real food back on the American guideline. You know, the
government has been lying to the American people for sixty
years with dietary guidelines that were written by food industry
lobbyists to encourage us these ultra process foods and high
we were fined carbohydrates. As a result of that, we
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now have the thickest population in the world from chronic disease.
Seventy seven percent of American kids cannot qualify for military service.
On my uncle was president, we were spending the zero
on chronic disease. Today we spend four point three trillion
dollars of our healthcare spending and it's is all preventable,
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and most of it is food into as seventy of
the American calories. Now the average American are coming from
ultra process food and is just poisoning us. The OP
city rates and kids have gone from three to five
percent when I was a kid, at twenty to thirty
percent today and adults it's seventy percent our ops throwaway
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and so it's a national security issue. It's crushing our
economy and it's destroying the lives of our children. And
the new dietary guidelines are the biggest in UH are
are going to change dietary culture in this country because
it's changed what people eat in the Staff program and
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the Wicks program, school lunches. It it's changing already with
the military eats. It's changing Indian Health services is all
of them. The UH million, hundreds of millions of dollars
a day in food subsidies that we give out. Now
those programs have to align themselves with the new dietary
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guidelines we're we've gotten rid of. By the end of
the year, we should get rid of all of the
patrolum based food dyes, all mind synthetic food dyes in
our food. We are doing the first nutritional and contaminant
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regulations and testing of u UH baby formula. We're changing
the grass standard, which is generally recognized as safe. This
is a loophole that that EPA or FDA created and
(22:52):
was captured by the food industry, so that any chemical
that food companies want to put their food, they can
do it without testing, without even telling us what's in it.
We have now approximately ten thousand chemicals in our food.
Nobody even knows what they are, and nobody's seen safety
(23:13):
testing on almost any anism in Europe they have no
So food companies will no longer be and loop. I think, yeah,
I have a long list of other things. We're ending.
Animal testing We've got, you know, we did the MFN negotiations,
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the Most Favored Nation status, which are going to give
us the cheapest we had for the last thirty years
the most expensive pharmaceuticals in the world. In our country
we have four point two percent of the population, but
seventy five percent of pharmaceutical industry revenues and profits come
from America. People in Europe a tiny fraction of what
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we do, but it's been the same drug produced in
the same factory in New Jersey. For example, what I
took off is the list price for I was epic
and our country was thirteen and fifty dollars. You could
get the exact same drug in any pharmacy in London
for eighty eight dollars, and this is a norm across.
(24:27):
Now we are going to be we are going to
be paying an art country the cheapest price for every drug,
and that is going to dramatically change is the costume
that is here and improve people's health.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I could go on, No, this is all fantastic question
for you, and I think this has to do with
a big picture issue and I think it's one reason
you're in the administration now, which I'm sure several years
ago you never would have been able to forecast. Buck
and I are still very angry over what happened during COVID.
It's been six years and uh it seems like that
(25:02):
has come and gone in a hurry, and a lot
of people just want to turn the page and pretend
it never happened. But I think it's hard for a
lot of Americans to trust the government on health after
what happened to us during COVID. Do you still feel
that How do you get that trust back when so
many people are still angry about the lies that they
(25:23):
were told that we were all told by the government
back then.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean, the only way to read and you're right,
we're singing. Polls at House for the CDC was at
seventy percent before COVID, and it had already gone down
substantially because the OPIEI crisis. So that was you know,
that was another lie that everybody. Americans first became aware
(25:48):
that their health agencies were actually you know, captured. I'm
promoted captured and promoting the Americans. Ambitions of pharmaceutical companies
run like health. During COVID, half of America realize, Okay,
we're being lied to, systematically lied to buy our public
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health agencies. And so trust is are from seventy percent
to a little less than forty And the only way
that you regain trust is by making the agencies trustworthy.
And that's what we are doing. We are being honest
with people. The first time about what we know, what
we don't know. We are changing all the websites to
(26:33):
make sure that people know, you know, that there are
risks to certain medicines and certain interventions, and that they
have open eyes about what those risks are. And you know,
we just stopped lying to people and that is the
only way, over the long term that you're going to
regain trust.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We're speaking of AJHS Secretary RFK Junior and a mister secretary.
I'm down here in so Florida. I think you actually
were on the beach here working out not long ago.
I think I saw that on the Muscle beach here.
It's a great place, very very health conscious. And actually
Miami is trying to become the wellness, the health and
wellness capital of the world. That's now a stated thing.
(27:15):
So I'm in the epicenter of this right now. And
one thing that people talk about a ton and I'm
sure you get this is I know, peptide is just
a name for a chain of amino acids, but people
glp ones are a peptide which are changing health for
millions of people as we know it. There's peptides like
BPC one, five seven, All this stuff is out there.
(27:35):
It's out there in large numbers. People are taking it,
using it. Some say it's great, some say it does nothing.
How can the FDA catch up with some of this
to where usage is because the usage is everywhere down
here and in a lot of other places, and the
FDA is like, oh, we don't know, good luck.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Yeah, well you know the here, here's what happened. We're
nine team and commonly used baptoms, the most commonly used one,
including BBC one, five to seven, and a bunch of
others that you're probably familiar with that were in a category.
There were that were put in a category where they
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were formulation pharmacies couldn't make them for individuals, they couldn't
MAS market them. FDA regulate products that are MAS marketed
for a specific indication for heart attacks or for obesity
or whatever, but it doesn't regulate nutritional supplements, and it's
(28:44):
not supposed to regulate personalized medicine by formulation pharmacies. Those
pharmacies are there so that if patients have specific needs
that are not fulfilled by a math market a drug,
that the formulator can make up a special drug for
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that pasion. And that is the category that peptides were
being marketed on up until the Biden administration. The Biden administration,
we believe illegally took nineteen of those most popular pathes
peptides and put them in category two, which makes it
(29:30):
illegal to market them. The FDA has the ability to
move it to category two, but only if they find
a safety signal, and they did not have a safety
signal on those. And so now, quote, as you pointed out,
we have a gray market in a maths bar by,
a gray market, in a black market where Americans are
(29:52):
being forced to buy these products from many cases on
ethical formulators. There are many as a out there unethical
ones who are getting them from unknown sources and they're
allowed to sell them for animals for research purposes. They're
not allowed to technically sell them for human.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Use, right for research only. I've seen the sites.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah, right, and that's where you're getting your baptize today.
You're getting them from one of those black market formulators.
And what you know, We've made the arguments, and of
course there is resistance within no EPA or FDA buy
some of the career people. We've made the argument that
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they should we should move them back into a category
where they can be studied, where they're going to be,
where we know what the source is. They're coming from
legitimate formulators who are getting them from FDA inspected labs.
Those labs maybe in India, they may be in China
or manufacturing facilities the inspected and we think that's the
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most sensible way to do it, and look for a
safety signal, and if there is one, then you move it.
But if there's not one, then you don't move it.
And that's the way the law is supposed to work.
And we're trying to return.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
To that last question for you. HHS Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Junior on with us. We're talking about the impact
of the first year and a half as we come
up on it of Trump. What would HHS look like
in your mind if Kamala Harris had won? What would
how much different would our health systems look and how
(31:41):
much would the MAHA movement in your mind be struggling immensely?
Can you some textualize how much of a difference there
is just based on who ended up winning the election?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Well, I don't think that there was any impulse to
change things, and you know it's not just Bah. I mean,
we've dramatically changed the trajectories so that we're now focused.
Anih is doing research on vaccines, on the ideology of
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all these chronic diseases. Where are they coming from? What
you know? Is it high food toost corns? There? We
have no idea why because the Biden administration, nobody else
everted those studies. It was regulatory malpractice. Is it from
the food dies? Is it coming from all of these
other ingredients. What are the ingredients that are treasuring chronic
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disease and destroying our metabolic health? None of that was happening.
And now our agencies FDA, CDC, ADHs are all laser
focused on finding out what's causing the epidemic and then
(32:56):
eliminating those exposures. And there's other things. The corruption in
the agency. The agency grew over the four years of
the buy An administration by thirty eight percent. We had
over one hundred communications departments, we had over forty procurement departments.
We had ten people doing every job, and then they
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stopped doing program integrities. So you saw South Florida, for example,
where you are there's an entire racket that is run
by the Cuban government. Of durable medical equipment. Of these
companies supposedly selling wheelchairs and knee braces, but all they
have is lives the patients. They charged Medicaid for them.
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We found one hotel that one hundred and twenty nine rooms,
and every one of them was a durable medical equipment company.
There are two times the number of durable medical equipment
companies in South Florida as there are McDonald's, and most
of them don't sell anything. They're just there from the
federal government and the High Administration when it came in,
(34:05):
got rid of the program Integrity's apartment, so we have
no capacity to catch the fraudsters. They cut it down
from eighty people to six for all fifty states, sixth territory.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And it'll mister Secretary, this is all super important and
super fast. We are running into a heard break right
this second. So I have to say, please keep what
you're doing and please come back and talk to what
we would love to have you on, you know, if
you'd have us, if you if you do a monthly
update for this audience on what you're doing. It's so
important and there's so much to cover. Thank you for
what you're doing, and thank you for being here. We
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There too, Klayan Buck, it's a whole line. Welcome back in.
We got a bunch of good talkbacks. Let's have some
fun with these. Jay Richard and San Diego listening on
Cogo out in the southern California market. Jay clan Buck,
if the world were flat, the cats would have pushed
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everything off by Now. That's pretty good anti cat humor there.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'm not gonna complain.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Lisa from West Michigan, congratulations Buck to the Michigan Wolverines
who ended the bracket challenge. For everybody out there, My
wife won the family Bracket Challenge. She is a Michigan grad.
And Lisa from Western Michigan says, gee.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Happy belated Clay. I just turned seventy today and we
got our gift last night when our Wolves beat those Huskies.
So keep up the great work. I love you, America
loves you here doing it. Keep racketing. Oh so nice?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Nice?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, that's super nice.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
All right, from one seventy year old to another.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
We got a big story tonight. We'll be back with
you all tomorrow
Welcome in everybody. Third hour of the Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show gets going right now, and Clay I
thought this would be a fun one to do instead
of just focusing relentlessly on Iran, which we are very
much dialed into. But there's only so much that can
be said about it right now. We know we have
an HPM Eastern deadline tonight laid out by President Trump
(00:21):
in which he said, more or less concede to the
Trump Administration's demands Iranian regime, or your civilization will be
ended on the other side of things, on the other
side of the world, the other side of the moon,
perhaps Artemis two. Here is Trump. This has cut eight.
He is greeting the Artemis two crew after they have
(00:43):
returned from behind the far side of the Moon. Here's
how it went play eight.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hello, very special, Hello to Artemis two. Today you've made
history and made all America really proud and incredibly proud.
We have a lot of things to be proud of lately,
but there's nothing like what you're doing, circling around the
Moon for the first time in more than a half
a century and breaking the all time record for the
farthest distance from planet Earth. Humans have really never seen
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anything quite like what you're doing. Your mission paves the
way for America's return to the lunar surface very soon.
We're going all out. We're doing everything we can, and
it's set it up by Jarrett. We'll plant our flag
once again, and this time we won't just leave footprints.
We'll establish a permanent presence on the Moon and we'll
(01:34):
push on to Mars.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Clay. It's actually very exciting what's going on. I know
there's a lot of focus on other things, but it's
it's another small step from man another mansion.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know what I mean, doing a quote one of
those Well yeah, look, I know we said this yesterday,
and every time I mention it, people are mad at
me in the mansions. I think this is an awesome story.
We have now sent humans farther from Earth than ever
in the history of our civilization. That seems pretty awesome
(02:12):
to me. And I understand people out there are not
excited about the idea of trying to have a Moon
base or trying to colonize Mars. Some of you are
not excited about that. I actually think it is incredibly important.
Look this country, if you want me to get on
a soapbox. Was founded on the idea of frontiers, of
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always going to the next horizon, of always trying to
create something better than what came before it. I would
say that is our national DNA, and that is why
this country has thrived when other countries have collapsed. And
I think exploration now we have to explore in space.
But certainly you can explore at the bottom of the oceans,
(02:55):
and you can explore at the top of the mountains.
But I feel like we have a pretty good sense
for what is now here on Earth. Space is the
next exploration for humanity, and so I think extending what
we're capable of is significant, to say nothing buck of
the fact that many of our great technological innovations come
(03:17):
about by trying to press the horizon forward when it
comes to humanity being able to go into space. In
other words, the space age fibers which we create legitimately
aid us in many other different aspects of life here.
And I believe, look, this is me getting on my
kind of further soapbox, that space X in particular and
(03:40):
Starlink and all these other entities that are now space
based are going to make civilization on Earth much better.
So I've been following Artemist two. I think it is
we had last week Jared isaacman On. I think this
is a significant achievement for mankind in I don't see
(04:01):
it in this era where we're talking about what's going
to happen in Iran. I think it's worth pausing and saying, hey,
it's kind of a big deal. This is something we
should all be proud of. And I think the astronauts
themselves we played Victor Glover the other day, I actually
think they've been pretty eloquent advocates for the importance of
space exploration, and many of their answers to questions have
(04:23):
gone viral as a result that are very positive.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Here's Trump continuing with his chat with the Artemis two crew.
This has cut ten from the Commander chief.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Heurious, I really look forward to when we can to
look forward to seeing you in the Oval Office. I'll
ask Jared to bring you over, and I'll ask for
your autograph, because I don't really ask for autographs much,
but you deserve that. You really are something. Everybody's talking
about this and I look forward to having you in
the Oval Office at the White House, and we will
(04:55):
celebrate your incredible achievements and triumphs. This is big, This
is really big stuff. The whole world is talking about it.
And if you have the time, I will certainly find
the time. I've been pretty busy also, as you know,
but I will absolutely find the time and we'll get together,
and I'm going to be giving you a big salute
(05:15):
on behalf of the American people, and beyond that.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Thank you for that, mister President. And when you want us,
we will be there.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Play one of the last groups, it seems around last occupations,
last cultural heroes that feel like they're still like a
bipartisan high five can go out to them, and it's
not about it is about the greatness of mankind and
scientific achievement and exploration and whatever. Astronauts. I feel like
(05:47):
people still like astronauts. I think there hasn't been you know,
I don't know about people in lab coats who are like,
turn and cough, give me your knee, let's check your reflexes.
Ever since Fauci, doctors have gone in for some rough stuff.
But astronauts people like. That's a great question. I think
astronauts probably number one. What are like the top two
(06:08):
or three professions that people still hold in high esteem.
That's astronaut might be number one, where you just you know,
kind of. I think military and police are still very
high in the general population.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Cops are very that's cops can go. I think have
come back. They've come back now after being attacked for
a long time. I think military typically rate very highly.
This is also fun I don't know if you've seen
some on social media. I saw a funny comment. I
don't remember who to attribute it to, but it was
very funny that the flat earthers are like the conspiracy.
(06:45):
They're one of the few conspiracists to actually get blown up.
You know, it's hard to still be a flat earther.
I think, on now that we've sent astronauts again and
we're getting I think it was always hard.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I said, I said, what happens to all those guys?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Now?
Speaker 6 (06:59):
What what?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Because they move on to I tell you what they're
moving on to. They're saying that these are all fake.
Well this is what they have to Yeah, it's it's
fake all over again. It's actually like wag the dog
for Trump's Iran debacle or something like that. It has
to be because you can never the thing about getting
deep into the conspiracy is that the conspiracy can never end.
(07:20):
The whole fun of it is that you have no
accountability for being wrong, and you know something that no
one else knows. There's always more information to prove that
you're right. So the conspiracy can never be proven wrong.
So this is gonna go dark because I would say
that was a lot of you're trying to we having.
We were having a lot and a lot of positivity
(07:41):
about space. I think that, uh. And I said this
the other day in a public forum, and I don't
know if it got picked up or not, but I
think I've said it on the show before. If I haven't,
some people should get bankrupted for the things that they say.
And some of you out there are going to say, well, well, Clay,
what about free speech. You can believe in free speech,
(08:03):
but free speech does not mean that it's freedom from consequence.
And some of the things that I see online, and
I'll use as an example, the idea like if you
made your entire world based on the idea that, hey,
flat Earth is going to exist. You mentioned the idea
of hey, the world's going to come to an end tomorrow,
(08:25):
and you can get a lot of attention. People have
done this for generations. They've said, Hey, the world's going
to end tomorrow, and then the day comes, world doesn't end.
And then you get up the next day and you,
unless you're pull in a jonestown, you get everybody to
commit suicide with you, which is a super dark element
of this.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Have we ever talked about the Reasonable Lists on the show?
I feel like I've mentioned this years and years ago,
but I don't know if you and I were, I
don't think so. I don't know that from Well, aren't
you curious about the group known as the Reasonable Lists? Yes,
and this is from the TV show Parks and rec
which was I think at NBC sitcom, which I've seen.
I've saw saw all the episodes of it. There are
(09:02):
some people who say that I even look like one
of the actors from the show, and I disagree with that,
but it is something that I hear. But that's a show.
And there is a group that meets in the park
that every year to celebrate the end of the world
and like the aliens coming to take everybody. And they
call themselves the Reasonablest, because how can you argue with
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people who are the But every year they have, and
this is like the joke on the show. Every year
they have to come up with why it wasn't the
end of the world. And that's true of a lot
of people in the conspiracy mindset. No matter what, no
matter what you provide to them, it's oh, you're in
on it. Oh there's more. Oh that's fake. And that's
true of the flat earth, fake moon landing people as well.
(09:49):
You'll never The fun of the game is that they
just get to make it up as they go along,
and they're smarter than everybody else. Rights. It's really more
of a psychological posture than it is actually an analysis
of what's real and what's not.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
When you are proven objectively to be wrong, and that
objectively being wrong has no consequences for you, and even
worse than that, it is rewarded because you make more
money than you otherwise would. And I'm not talking about opinion, right,
you know what should happen in Iran that is largely
(10:22):
opinion based. Right, everybody can have whatever opinion they want,
but there are some things that are one billion percent untrue.
For instance, today I saw as I'm going around social media,
it is now trending that Trump is responsible for Charlie
Kirk being murdered. That is a new argument that is
(10:45):
out there that some people are going to make a
lot of money arguing in favor of. And I just
look around and you and I were talking about this
off air that I think these conspiracies on Charlie Kirk
in particular have so taken root Buck that I'm saying
this as if I was an attorney his defense. This
Tyler Robinson, I believe is his name, the charged killer
(11:09):
of Charlie Kirk, His defense is going to come out
of this internet cesspool and it is going to be
that he was set up and they are going to
argue in front of the courts and everything else. I
didn't do this. I was set up. It was Donald Trump,
it was Israel, it was Erica Kirk, it was all
(11:31):
these different people that clearly had nothing to do with
Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is such a feverdom in
the social media space that there is going to be
an actual murder defense that is rooted on these lies.
And Buck, here's what's scary to me. It might work.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
There might be is one member of that jury who
is a conspiracist and believes this stuff. Look, I get
people the stuff that's proliferating on the internet on the
right these days. You know, I'm going to tell you
guys this my book, and I'm sorry Clay Clay has
been very patiently putching the book all the time. But
I mean they dropped the price recently Clay manufactured. Oh
(12:12):
it's a great deal, but better One part of the
book though, that I in retrospect, People ask me, can
this affect the right? The stuff that I talk about
which has completely overtaken the left? Okay, And we would
go through and then Clan I talk about this on
a daily basis on the show, the Men and Women's
sports things, and the you know, the climate change, which
(12:32):
you don't really hear about very much anymore, but it's
like the biggest threat in the world. And all the
fauci you know, vaccine, take it or you're gonna die, madness,
all these things. The left went nuts, okay, and the
left made itself nuts. And that's a big thing. People
ask me, Clay, they say, can the same stuff happen
on the right, And the answer is, yeah, it's happening.
It didn't really happen when I was writing the book,
(12:52):
which is why it's not in there. But I might
have to come back to this now and be like, hey, guys,
this can be a problem on our side too. People
can manufacture delusion on the right as well. And when
you're having people say that Donald Trump had one of
his and somebody was effectively like an adopted some to him,
you know what, I can't even stay it on the air,
can't even say it. It's like two gross to even say, honestly,
(13:13):
it's just so.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But this is I think it is at some point
there are no consequences, and worse than consequences, there's actually
reward for insanity in media. And I think it's now
the fever pitch there is going to legitimately lead to
a defense in a court is going to be he
(13:36):
didn't do it. This was all one big conspiracy. And
my concern is that one of the twelve jurors in
Utah is going to be susceptible to this argument and
might well buy it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Do you remember the Westboro Baptist Church. Oh yeah, we're
just the the disgusting, disgusting, just slovenly moral, creting mess
of the Westborough. And they would show up at soldier's
funerals and say the worst imaginable things. Now do they
have a First Amendment right? You know, I mean where
are they? Are they on private property is it? But
(14:09):
you know, on the roads or something. Now they have
a First Amendment right. But it was such such a
clearly disgusting thing people that are saying that Charlie Kirk,
that people who are either his wife or his dear
friends or the Trump administration had anything to do with
any It's up there with Westborough Baptist Church stuff.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It is.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's that level of like, come on, that's just disgusting. So,
you know, people have said, why don't we get into
this because we don't want to get into the muck.
We want to talk about what's really happening. But I
mean Clays telling me this is trending right now on Twitter. Guys,
I don't need to say this stand of you because
you're listening to us because you don't like the crazy idiocy.
You like real people with real thoughts, who are leading
(14:46):
happy and successful lives, who appreciate and love all of
you and want to bring you the truth. But there's
a lot of nonsense out there right now on the
right there's a lot of it. You got to watch out.
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Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show. A lot
of callers out there are still wanting to react to
a variety of different topics. Let's go Ken and Louisville, Kentucky. Ken,
what you got for?
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Well, hello, guys, good to talk to you. That caller
that you had of you back he and anyone else
that feels that way about sitting out of elections, well,
their memory must not be working or they're just fools.
I can clearly remember the eight years of Obama, and
I can remember the four years of Biden, and it's
(16:37):
a stark difference to what President Trump has done in
his two four year terms. And what scares me with
the upcoming elections is either people like Tyler or just
the general apathy of American voters. You guys have occasionally
talked about our governor, oh gosh, his name now, Andy
(17:02):
Bsher Yeah, yes, Andy Basheer when he beat Matt Bevans,
the incumbent. The first time he beat Matt Bevans by
about fifty six hundred votes. Now, in his reelection, he
went against Daniel Cameron. If Daniel Cameron had received the
(17:24):
same number of votes that Matt Bevan received when he
lost to Basheer, Daniel Cameron would be the mayor, excuse me,
would be the governor of Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Now, yep, no, thank you for the call. We've got
to break the head. But showing up matters, and if
you're not willing to show up, it's hard to argue
that you are angry about whatever the outcomes might be.
The bare minimum is show up and vote. Now, it's
gonna be hard to get people out because midterms always are.
We'll talk about that takes more of your calls. Actually,
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Speaker 1 (18:48):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We are joined
now by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F.
Kennedy Junior. Mister Secretary. Great to have you on the program.
Thanks for making the time for us.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Thank you very very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You got two guys here who are middle aged, got kids,
and trying to up their health game in a big way.
So I'm going to tell you we are and this
audience is very dialed in to the MAHA agenda. Can
I just first ask you, because look, we got a
war in Iran, we got some big things happening. Haven't
heard that much about what's going on from your side
(19:25):
of the equation from MAHA world lately. Can you bring
everyone up to speed with what has been done in
twenty twenty six or what are the biggest wins so
far since you've taken the helmet HHS, the people need to.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Know about well. I mean, whilst week alonely god agreements
from the medicals from the hospitals around the country to
begin giving hospital pations real food instead of the terrible
stuff of the appalling foods that they feed you in hospital.
(19:59):
We sent out it a letter to all the hospitals
ay Man they could not collect Medicare and Medicaid Sunday
unless they started giving good food to their patients. We
also announced that a comprehensive new program on addressing microplastics
in the society and the biggest accomplishments I think over
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the last year, we're flipping the food pyramid, getting readen
real food back on the American guideline. You know, the
government has been lying to the American people for sixty
years with dietary guidelines that were written by food industry
lobbyists to encourage us these ultra process foods and high
we were fined carbohydrates. As a result of that, we
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now have the thickest population in the world from chronic disease.
Seventy seven percent of American kids cannot qualify for military service.
On my uncle was president, we were spending the zero
on chronic disease. Today we spend four point three trillion
dollars of our healthcare spending and it's is all preventable,
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and most of it is food into as seventy of
the American calories. Now the average American are coming from
ultra process food and is just poisoning us. The OP
city rates and kids have gone from three to five
percent when I was a kid, at twenty to thirty
percent today and adults it's seventy percent our ops throwaway
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and so it's a national security issue. It's crushing our
economy and it's destroying the lives of our children. And
the new dietary guidelines are the biggest in UH are
are going to change dietary culture in this country because
it's changed what people eat in the Staff program and
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the Wicks program, school lunches. It it's changing already with
the military eats. It's changing Indian Health services is all
of them. The UH million, hundreds of millions of dollars
a day in food subsidies that we give out. Now
those programs have to align themselves with the new dietary
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guidelines we're we've gotten rid of. By the end of
the year, we should get rid of all of the
patrolum based food dyes, all mind synthetic food dyes in
our food. We are doing the first nutritional and contaminant
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regulations and testing of u UH baby formula. We're changing
the grass standard, which is generally recognized as safe. This
is a loophole that that EPA or FDA created and
(22:52):
was captured by the food industry, so that any chemical
that food companies want to put their food, they can
do it without testing, without even telling us what's in it.
We have now approximately ten thousand chemicals in our food.
Nobody even knows what they are, and nobody's seen safety
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testing on almost any anism in Europe they have no
So food companies will no longer be and loop. I think, yeah,
I have a long list of other things. We're ending.
Animal testing We've got, you know, we did the MFN negotiations,
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the Most Favored Nation status, which are going to give
us the cheapest we had for the last thirty years
the most expensive pharmaceuticals in the world. In our country
we have four point two percent of the population, but
seventy five percent of pharmaceutical industry revenues and profits come
from America. People in Europe a tiny fraction of what
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we do, but it's been the same drug produced in
the same factory in New Jersey. For example, what I
took off is the list price for I was epic
and our country was thirteen and fifty dollars. You could
get the exact same drug in any pharmacy in London
for eighty eight dollars, and this is a norm across.
(24:27):
Now we are going to be we are going to
be paying an art country the cheapest price for every drug,
and that is going to dramatically change is the costume
that is here and improve people's health.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I could go on, No, this is all fantastic question
for you, and I think this has to do with
a big picture issue and I think it's one reason
you're in the administration now, which I'm sure several years
ago you never would have been able to forecast. Buck
and I are still very angry over what happened during COVID.
It's been six years and uh it seems like that
(25:02):
has come and gone in a hurry, and a lot
of people just want to turn the page and pretend
it never happened. But I think it's hard for a
lot of Americans to trust the government on health after
what happened to us during COVID. Do you still feel
that How do you get that trust back when so
many people are still angry about the lies that they
(25:23):
were told that we were all told by the government
back then.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean, the only way to read and you're right,
we're singing. Polls at House for the CDC was at
seventy percent before COVID, and it had already gone down
substantially because the OPIEI crisis. So that was you know,
that was another lie that everybody. Americans first became aware
(25:48):
that their health agencies were actually you know, captured. I'm
promoted captured and promoting the Americans. Ambitions of pharmaceutical companies
run like health. During COVID, half of America realize, Okay,
we're being lied to, systematically lied to buy our public
(26:10):
health agencies. And so trust is are from seventy percent
to a little less than forty And the only way
that you regain trust is by making the agencies trustworthy.
And that's what we are doing. We are being honest
with people. The first time about what we know, what
we don't know. We are changing all the websites to
(26:33):
make sure that people know, you know, that there are
risks to certain medicines and certain interventions, and that they
have open eyes about what those risks are. And you know,
we just stopped lying to people and that is the
only way, over the long term that you're going to
regain trust.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We're speaking of AJHS Secretary RFK Junior and a mister secretary.
I'm down here in so Florida. I think you actually
were on the beach here working out not long ago.
I think I saw that on the Muscle beach here.
It's a great place, very very health conscious. And actually
Miami is trying to become the wellness, the health and
wellness capital of the world. That's now a stated thing.
(27:15):
So I'm in the epicenter of this right now. And
one thing that people talk about a ton and I'm
sure you get this is I know, peptide is just
a name for a chain of amino acids, but people
glp ones are a peptide which are changing health for
millions of people as we know it. There's peptides like
BPC one, five seven, All this stuff is out there.
(27:35):
It's out there in large numbers. People are taking it,
using it. Some say it's great, some say it does nothing.
How can the FDA catch up with some of this
to where usage is because the usage is everywhere down
here and in a lot of other places, and the
FDA is like, oh, we don't know, good luck.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Yeah, well you know the here, here's what happened. We're
nine team and commonly used baptoms, the most commonly used one,
including BBC one, five to seven, and a bunch of
others that you're probably familiar with that were in a category.
There were that were put in a category where they
(28:19):
were formulation pharmacies couldn't make them for individuals, they couldn't
MAS market them. FDA regulate products that are MAS marketed
for a specific indication for heart attacks or for obesity
or whatever, but it doesn't regulate nutritional supplements, and it's
(28:44):
not supposed to regulate personalized medicine by formulation pharmacies. Those
pharmacies are there so that if patients have specific needs
that are not fulfilled by a math market a drug,
that the formulator can make up a special drug for
(29:08):
that pasion. And that is the category that peptides were
being marketed on up until the Biden administration. The Biden administration,
we believe illegally took nineteen of those most popular pathes
peptides and put them in category two, which makes it
(29:30):
illegal to market them. The FDA has the ability to
move it to category two, but only if they find
a safety signal, and they did not have a safety
signal on those. And so now, quote, as you pointed out,
we have a gray market in a maths bar by,
a gray market, in a black market where Americans are
(29:52):
being forced to buy these products from many cases on
ethical formulators. There are many as a out there unethical
ones who are getting them from unknown sources and they're
allowed to sell them for animals for research purposes. They're
not allowed to technically sell them for human.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Use, right for research only. I've seen the sites.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah, right, and that's where you're getting your baptize today.
You're getting them from one of those black market formulators.
And what you know, We've made the arguments, and of
course there is resistance within no EPA or FDA buy
some of the career people. We've made the argument that
(30:41):
they should we should move them back into a category
where they can be studied, where they're going to be,
where we know what the source is. They're coming from
legitimate formulators who are getting them from FDA inspected labs.
Those labs maybe in India, they may be in China
or manufacturing facilities the inspected and we think that's the
(31:07):
most sensible way to do it, and look for a
safety signal, and if there is one, then you move it.
But if there's not one, then you don't move it.
And that's the way the law is supposed to work.
And we're trying to return.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
To that last question for you. HHS Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Junior on with us. We're talking about the impact
of the first year and a half as we come
up on it of Trump. What would HHS look like
in your mind if Kamala Harris had won? What would
how much different would our health systems look and how
(31:41):
much would the MAHA movement in your mind be struggling immensely?
Can you some textualize how much of a difference there
is just based on who ended up winning the election?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Well, I don't think that there was any impulse to
change things, and you know it's not just Bah. I mean,
we've dramatically changed the trajectories so that we're now focused.
Anih is doing research on vaccines, on the ideology of
(32:13):
all these chronic diseases. Where are they coming from? What
you know? Is it high food toost corns? There? We
have no idea why because the Biden administration, nobody else
everted those studies. It was regulatory malpractice. Is it from
the food dies? Is it coming from all of these
other ingredients. What are the ingredients that are treasuring chronic
(32:35):
disease and destroying our metabolic health? None of that was happening.
And now our agencies FDA, CDC, ADHs are all laser
focused on finding out what's causing the epidemic and then
(32:56):
eliminating those exposures. And there's other things. The corruption in
the agency. The agency grew over the four years of
the buy An administration by thirty eight percent. We had
over one hundred communications departments, we had over forty procurement departments.
We had ten people doing every job, and then they
(33:19):
stopped doing program integrities. So you saw South Florida, for example,
where you are there's an entire racket that is run
by the Cuban government. Of durable medical equipment. Of these
companies supposedly selling wheelchairs and knee braces, but all they
have is lives the patients. They charged Medicaid for them.
(33:42):
We found one hotel that one hundred and twenty nine rooms,
and every one of them was a durable medical equipment company.
There are two times the number of durable medical equipment
companies in South Florida as there are McDonald's, and most
of them don't sell anything. They're just there from the
federal government and the High Administration when it came in,
(34:05):
got rid of the program Integrity's apartment, so we have
no capacity to catch the fraudsters. They cut it down
from eighty people to six for all fifty states, sixth territory.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And it'll mister Secretary, this is all super important and
super fast. We are running into a heard break right
this second. So I have to say, please keep what
you're doing and please come back and talk to what
we would love to have you on, you know, if
you'd have us, if you if you do a monthly
update for this audience on what you're doing. It's so
important and there's so much to cover. Thank you for
what you're doing, and thank you for being here. We
(34:37):
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U Spontic Sports and a little fun thrown in.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
There too, Klayan Buck, it's a whole line. Welcome back in.
We got a bunch of good talkbacks. Let's have some
fun with these. Jay Richard and San Diego listening on
Cogo out in the southern California market. Jay clan Buck,
if the world were flat, the cats would have pushed
(35:50):
everything off by Now. That's pretty good anti cat humor there.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'm not gonna complain.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Lisa from West Michigan, congratulations Buck to the Michigan Wolverines
who ended the bracket challenge. For everybody out there, My
wife won the family Bracket Challenge. She is a Michigan grad.
And Lisa from Western Michigan says, gee.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Happy belated Clay. I just turned seventy today and we
got our gift last night when our Wolves beat those Huskies.
So keep up the great work. I love you, America
loves you here doing it. Keep racketing. Oh so nice?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Nice?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, that's super nice.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
All right, from one seventy year old to another.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
We got a big story tonight. We'll be back with
you all tomorrow
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