June 10, 2026 • 37 mins
In Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Buck Sexton leads a wide-ranging, high-energy discussion featuring conservative commentator Ann Coulter and Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, covering major political news, media criticism, crime debates, immigration policy, election integrity, and foreign policy under President Donald Trump. A central topic is the Karmelo Anthony case, where Buck and Coulter argue the facts clearly disproved claims of justified self-defense, criticizing media narratives and public reactions that attempted to politicize the case. They compare the response to historical flashpoints like the O.J. Simpson trial, discussing broader themes of race, media bias, and public perception, while emphasizing that this case did not reach the same national divide. The conversation shifts into a sharp critique of the mainstream media landscape, highlighting controversy surrounding CBS and journalist Scott Pelley, with criticism of legacy media figures and discussion about the decline of traditional television news outlets like CNN, CBS, and MSNBC. Coulter and Buck explore how media credibility, audience trust, and digital disruption are reshaping journalism, suggesting that newer voices and platforms are overtaking legacy institutions in influence and relevance. Immigration and public safety become major focal points, particularly in the interview with Senator Rand Paul, who outlines the significance of President Trump’s newly signed Secure America Act, emphasizing increased border security funding, ICE enforcement, and efforts to curb illegal immigration. Paul frames this as one of the defining achievements of the Trump administration, noting the dramatic reduction in illegal border crossings. The discussion expands into concerns over government spending, welfare policy tied to immigration, and fraud prevention, with Paul advocating fiscal restraint through his “six percent spending cut” proposal to address the escalating national debt, now approaching $40 trillion. Election integrity is another key theme, with debate over mail-in voting, ballot harvesting, and voter ID laws, especially in states like California and Arizona. Paul and Buck argue for stricter safeguards, positioning these reforms as essential to protecting fair elections and citizen voting rights, while criticizing Democratic opposition to such measures. The hour also touches on foreign policy and geopolitics, particularly ongoing negotiations with Iran, as Paul signals cautious optimism about a potential deal involving nuclear materials, while emphasizing the importance of verification and strategic leverage. Throughout the hour, Buck reinforces broader conservative themes including law and order, government accountability, media skepticism, and economic responsibility under President Trump’s leadership. The hour concludes with listener calls and commentary revisiting the Karmelo Anthony case, reinforcing the argument that the legal outcome was straightforward and should serve as a broader lesson about the limits of self-defense claims. Overall, Hour 3 delivers a dense mix of political analysis, cultural commentary, and policy discussion, making it a standout segment focused on crime, media credibility, immigration reform, government spending, and national security in the Trump presidency era.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're joined
by off Friend and Culture. Thirteen times New York Times
bestselling author Unsafe is for SUBSTACKO subscribe. Sol's got a
great podcast he's doing over there. Ms Culter. Always a pleasure,
a lot of news to dive into with you. Can
I just burst the Carmelo Anthony case. Are you at
(00:24):
all surprised that people dug in on this one the
way that they did, given that it seemed like the
facts were so clear from the beginning and only further
verified from multiple eyewitness testimony. I don't see how this
could Why are people disputing the outcome here when it
seems like it should be so obvious that this was
(00:45):
the only just outcome.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, one agree with you? And was I surprised? Well,
that's my gift. I'm always surprised by behavior from the left.
You know, A big line used to be, if everything
could be exactly the same, how would you like to
be to grow up black? And I've always said, well,
(01:10):
one great thing about being white is we don't have
to instantly take the side of any white criminal think.
I think there's only one group that does that. My
column is at least in part about the Carmelo Anthony cases.
And I'm glad to say that apparently the group of
supporters Carmelo Anthony had was relatively small. I don't think
(01:33):
this is this does not rise to the level of
the response to the OJ case. So I don't know.
Maybe we have advanced in this country. It seemed like
some really nutty black people standing outside the courthouse and
saying really heinous things. But you know, there are a
lot of nutty white people. You do not see them
taking the side of whites who kill blacks, even when
(01:55):
it's a justified killing. Like with Jake Gardner, the bar
owner who was putting a choke hold during a BLM
protest and white people just en mass turned against him,
evicted him, disavowed him, the white DA cleared him, and
then and then assigns a black prosecutor to go get him.
(02:15):
So Jake Gardner ends up committing suicide. I mean, even
Derek Chauvin and Kim Potter, the police who killed black men,
those were accidents. That was not an intentional I'm plunging
a knife into your heart. Uh. This was in the
process of making arrest to a resisting Felon and uh,
(02:37):
what's another one? Uh? Oh there was the white Hispanic
what was his name? Zimmerman.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, someone yelled Trayvon outside outside the Von Martin yet, Yeah,
that one.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I think it's a little different when someone's knocked you
down and is bashing your head into the concrete to
claim self defense than when someone pushes you.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, I would have went to a I went to
a pretty pretty upscale Catholic school and and there was
a lot of shoving and no plunging of knives into
the center of people's chests. And that's a darn good thing.
But can you explain, because I've cited this on the
show before your I forget which book you did this in,
but I remember it. I remember, like, yep, that's true,
(03:21):
the OJ verdict and the white guilt bank being closed.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, yes, that's sort of the It's my book, Muggs
racial demagoguery from the seventies to Obama, and it goes
through a lot of the wild cases from Manhattan when
we were kids, you especially, I mean, it was like
it is today, but I thought it went away after
the OJ verdicts. You know, every case would be a
(03:49):
mini George Floyd case, and then the facts would turn
out to be the opposite of what the New York
Times had been slapping on its front page for six
weeks or months, and the correction would run on page eighteen,
like they were just gonna whisper to you, Oh yeah,
everything we were telling you about that wasn't true. And
then the oj verdict came, and I people who weren't
(04:10):
alive for that don't realize what a shock to the
system this was. I mean throughout America, in Burger Kings,
at the prestigious Howard University Law School, on the Oprah Show,
on college campuses, and high schools that were being filmed,
almost in Unison, black people erupted in cheers.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
When in my schools, I remember it very very pointedly.
In my school, some of the black students say, started
running around the entire school just yelling at everybody in
your face and like laughing all over the school. And
by the way, no one did anything about it. The
deans that no one did anything, Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, well, I mean, as a general matter, the liberal
approach to making up for slavery and Jim Crow, which
I agree with, the concept of treating black people like
children I think is not working out that well. They
are responsible adults with agency, ought to be responsible for
(05:07):
their own reaction. But there is just so much of
an impulse in academia, among democratic politicians, and certainly overwhelmingly
in the media to treat Black people like children. And
you know, think about raising a child. You spoil a child,
you're not going to get a well adjusted, responsible adult.
But that is the overwhelming approach liberals have had. Well,
(05:31):
that ended with the oj verdict, at least it ended
for about a decade, maybe fifteen years. Then we get Juliani,
one of the great things. I mean, it was the
great It was the best thing, you know, since the
end of Jim Crow I think to happen to Black
people in America because they suddenly started being treated like
adults and the pompous liberals going on about the legacy
(05:51):
of racism people white people were just done. It was,
like I say in the book, like a subway card
that doesn't work anymore when you start crying about slavery
and races. Because people were so shocked. I mean, you
talked to someone alive at that time, and everyone was
just shocked to the core at how black people were
thrilled and as I think, you know, I mean just
(06:11):
a few years ago, which I always said at the time,
black people knew he was guilty. They're not idiots, and
a jurors got forward and said, oh yeah, no, we
knew he was guilty. This was just a retaliation to
let off. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, that was what I actually assumed at the time,
that they're like the black students running around my school.
They didn't think that oj was innocent. They were happy
that they knew he was guilty and he got away
with it. And you know, at Leastcott was not guilty
in that trial. And now I think to this situation
with Carmelo Anthony, Now I think you're right. I think
that this one there's some very very stupid people who
(06:47):
are getting media attention because they're outside of this quart
I mean, this one is not this is not a
close call. We have gotten some people calling in today
or emailing in who sort of take a little bit
of issue with that. But anyway, I think that that one,
you know, this case is over and we can move on.
But it is an interesting, uh.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I can say, maybe semi in their defense, there's been
a lot of false reporting about this. I mean, apparently
it is not true that the fund. I mean, I
think it's kind of embarrassing that he that Camrallo Anthony
for stabbing the white kid in the heart instantly, you know,
raises six hundred thousand dollars. Yet and still it was
not spent on cognac and new houses as I understand it.
(07:26):
And also, I mean, I think it came out pretty
clearly at trial that Carmelo Anthony was being asked politely
to leave the tense that he was not supposed to
be under. He wasn't a bully white guy. It's a
white guy who is always portrayed as you know, some snobbish,
preppy jerk out of.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
At It's all the duke lacrosse case. It's it's always
the duke lacrosse case. You know, they're just they're they've
got their lacrosse stick in one hand and they've got
a you know, they've got a bottle of chardonnay and
the other and they're just yelling at Consuela to go
faster as she's cleaning, Like this is the the lie
the media always creates. But you mentioned I think you
(08:07):
mentioned pompus liberals a second ago. This is uh, I
just can we just talk about Scott Pelly for a
minute here, because please, this guy, I mean, he actually
is tweeting out from his yacht about how he appreciates
like all the respect and the love from everybody. He
went in and basically told his boss stuff that you're
(08:28):
a loser. I won't listen to you. This will get
you fired. And but but is this the end of
the pompous, overpaid TV news anchor that we both grew
up with, that we both had to listen to for decades.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I really want to encourage Scott Kelly to keep doing
as many interviews as possible. Oh my gosh, she is
a pompous ass, which I've always known. I've written about
him in one of my columns and doesn't really matter
for what, but for being a pompous ass, I'm being
oh so praised throughout the media. He was bravely called
Donald Trump a fellon because nobody's done that before. And
(09:05):
whatever you think Barry Weiss taking over CBS. I never
watched CBS anyway or sixty minutes, but wow, boy do
I say, go girl, now what she's taken over like Bond.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
They're acting like Bill O'Reilly took over its Arry Wiss.
She was an editorial columnist at the New York Times.
I mean she's kind of a centrist Democrat, if you will.
And they they are apoplectic over there. This dude, Pelly
is crying when he talks about He said, it was like,
what did you did you hear this? By the way,
this was the best. He said that what she is
(09:41):
doing to sixty minutes is like watching a spouse be murdered. Yes,
that's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I hope they all interview him. I think this is
very important. And yeah, as for you know, Barry Weiss,
this is like there the left hysteria. We've got to
get rid of Susan Collins in Maine. Okay, Okay, maybe
Platner is a racist and beat his girlfriends and makes
fun of dying soldiers, some of which I think is
silly as you now. Yet and still we have to
(10:13):
vote for him to get rid of that fascist Susan Collins.
What she's like, the most liberal Republican there is. She
voted for Kavanaugh. That's the only reason I support her.
But to act like Barry Weiss and Susan Collins are
these fire breathing right wingers.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They've lost their minds, I think at some level too,
and they very almost has an impossible task here because
just from like a media and the future of media perspective,
I think CNN there is no regaining what it was,
and particularly regaining trust and credibility. I think that ship
has sailed or do you think that there is some
(10:47):
two point zero version if it really gets because you
know she's in charge of that now too, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I know that'll be great. No, I mean I kind
of wonder about both CBS News and since I don't
think I know anyone under the age of fifty who
owns a television set, so I'm not sure what this.
I mean, having lived through, as you did, the end
of magazines, which were huge business in New York, and
(11:17):
pretty much the end of newspapers. I mean these star
reporters out at various other than the New York Times
and the Washington Post with its sugar Daddy Jeff Bezos.
Newspapers are done over magazines, all the glossies that are
Rolling Stone and GQ, and they're done, done, done. And
having lived through the end of one industry, I don't
(11:39):
know I kind of see the writing on the wall
with CBS, ABC and NBC, to say nothing of CNN,
Fox News and MSNBC. But I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We will. What's the podcast on for this weekend? Your
column is on partially Carmelo Anthony. Tell everybody where they
can go find it.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yes, that'll be on my subject and cult subsect dot
com by tonight or tomorrow. It runs in various newspapers
and it'll be on andculter dot com. But if you
sign up for my substack, it will go right into
your email box and that'll go up in a couple
of hours. It's you know, this week in hate crimes?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Oh wow? Well, just just real quick before we let
you go ahead. Do you feel I feel like the
thing that the administration is not Trump mentioned it today
in the press conference, not talking about enough they've brought down.
I was just in DC. The murder rate in DC
is down like sixty percent. The murder rate in Memphis
is down seventy percent. What is the liberal argument for
Chicago to not work with federal law enforcement to deal
(12:39):
with their murder rate at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It is a very strange obsession that I that I
talked about in the book you just mentioned mugs. I
mean liberals, they want to release criminals. They are just
desperate to release criminals. And we saw it when after
OJ mayor Rudy Giuliani came in and instantly dropped the
murder rate to such an extent that when he ran
for re election, the New York Times itself endorsed him
(13:05):
and made fun of Ruth Messenger, who was running against him,
for claiming that crime wasn't better, and the New York
Times officially editorially had to say, are you out of
your mind? Other cities imitated Rudy Giuliani's policies, and in
those cities the crime came down. And other cities just
crossed their arms and listened to the liberal progressives like
(13:26):
the ones who are probably going to be the next
mayor of Los Angeles, that no, we need more community
outreach and activists we need and the day of New York,
oh my gosh, No, liberals just want to release criminals.
It's a psychologue.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But Clay and I have to do like we got
to do, like a long form sit down with you,
because I always have more. Can you give me just
a quick fire in this one in La. Are they
cheating or are they just that many crazy people in La?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I'm so glad you asked. That's the other thing I
was thinking writing about this week. I may do it
next week. No, it is massive state wide cheating. I
am so voting for Steve Hilton. He does have Sergery
Brynn behind him because Sergi Brynn is dating a MAGA influencer,
something I talked about in might rumblem on sub video
this week. She's the woman who may save California because
(14:13):
SERGEI has given Hilton enough money to try to reduce
the cheating. But because California is a one party state,
Republicans don't bother catching the cheating or changing the cheat.
The main thing is, as I think people are familiar
with from twenty twenty, is having these mail in ballots.
They are sent to every quote registered voters voter, including
(14:35):
the registered voters at one time from a decade ago
who have moved to have died. These these these ballots
are just floating all over the state other people.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And they have illegals, They have illegals being paid and
to pick them up. We found that out from Steve
Hilton himself. So I mean, that's just crazy. They're able
to just go get them and you can vote.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I was just gonna say it's baked into the system
before you even get to counting the votes.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, crazy, crazy and Culter dot subsect dot com. Go
check it out, guys, and thank you so much. Well,
when Clay's back, we'll have you back.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Good to talk to you. Buck.
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(16:40):
will be with us. He was in the Oval today
about the Secure America Act talking about that. But we
got a talkback here Dustin from Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Play it, hey, Buck, did your call screener stay out
with Clay today Cuz y'all are letting some trash in.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Hey you you say you lay off my produce. He's
been on the phones. Today's doing a great job. I
sometimes am going to lean especially on when we have
a contentious topic or we have something here that people
are very passionate about. I want sometimes those voices who disagree,
whether it's a live call or a talkback, to get
on the air here so you know, we can have
(17:18):
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there's gonna be people that disagree, obviously, and I want
to hear from them too. I mean, I disagree the
most with the guy who said, you know that he
hates all Karens or whatever. I think, first of all,
I don't even like that term. I think it's often
kind of an anti white woman term that's thrown around.
You only hear white women being called Karens, and so
(17:39):
I don't really I actually generally would stay away from
you using the term, although I would use it in
the praise sense of I think sometimes it's a woman
of any color who stands up and says, hey, can
you guys, because it's usually guys being disrespectful, can you guys,
you know, keep it down or be a little more respectful.
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(19:06):
We are joined by Kentucky Senator Ran Paul. He was
in the Oval Office today while Trump was signing the
Secure America Act. Senator, always appreciate you stopping by.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Thanks for having me book. Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So the significance of this, let's start with what you
saw in the Oval this morning. President Trump was there
signing it. So we've got funding for ice, funding for
border patrol. This is clearly going in the right direction.
What does it mean and do you think that the
policy initiative is going to get kicked up again rather
the impetus to do more on immigration enforcement, because it
(19:40):
feels to some like there's been a bit of drift
from it. You know.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I think this is going to be President Trump's largest
achievement in the Republican Congress's largest achievement, and that is
controlling the border. I think the people spoke in the election,
but also just the evidence of perhaps as many as
eight million people coming in during the Biden administration and
going to zero. So I think that is a is
a big deal. This is the first time we have
(20:04):
done funding of border patrol and border security, though through
a partisan means reconciliation is a simple majority way of
getting around the philip Us rules. We did that, it
was with only Republican votes. So this is a first,
but I think it's also something that President Trump will
be remembered for, and it's also a large reason why
I think people aren't trusting the Democrats. Now, I think
(20:27):
there's something that we can push on top of this.
What I've been saying is not only do we need
a wall to keep people from coming into the country,
we need a wall around our welfare system. So we
passed years ago and said, oh, if you come into
the country's and you're ineligible for welfare for five years,
but then they make all these exceptions. They said, oh,
if you have a special visa, So if you came
(20:48):
from Afghanistan, Iraq and the last because of the wars,
you can get welfare. If you came in as a
refugee from Somalia, you can get welfare. But then when
we measure this like the small it's like eighty five
to ninety on welfare for over ten years. So I
think we need now to move on to saying, yes,
we're controlling the border, but we need to control the
(21:12):
you know, put a wall around the welfare state so
that these people are able to come in. You know,
the American dreams should be about jobs, not coming here
to get welfare.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's astonishing a center, Paul, when we start to look
into just how much, or rather how large the fraud
is and how many dollars are going into this, Uh,
it feels like it's just endless. It's a black hole.
It's it's never it's we're never going to find every dollar.
But it feels like we're just scratching the surface as well.
(21:41):
Do you feel like jd. Vance as the Vice president
and I guess he probably wouldn't want to be called
the frauds are but you know what I mean, this
is his mandate is to find this stuff. Are you
hopeful that there will be reform and change not just
on the executive side in terms of prosecution, but is
there is there a role here for Congress for the Senate?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
You act, well, yeah, I'm excited that the administration is
looking at this and trying to call back and arrest
and put these people in jail. But the other side
is the funding source. So if someone's ripping off twenty
percent of the product, you need to cut the spending
by twenty percent or more. So I've introduced a couple
of amendments to say that refugees should be ineligible for welfare,
(22:25):
and I forced these to a vote. It's not easy
because the powers that be don't want to vote on
these things. But the two times that I've forced this vote,
I've got about twenty to twenty four Republicans supporting ending
welfare for refugees, but I get about thirty of the
Establishment voting for it. Now all the Democrats are for it.
Every Democrat is unified and being for welfare for refugees,
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but even the Republicans. You know, I'm having trouble. So
if you really want to root out fraud, you got
to defund it. The interesting thing about refugee welfare is
we allocate money every year for it, and some of
it is stored up, So we have twenty six billion
in account. We keep putting about four or five billion
in it every year, but they're not spending it, which
is good. But I say bring that back. Let's go
(23:08):
ahead and just claw it back. Yesterday they were promoting
a new spending bill on the floor. I said, well,
why don't we take the twenty six billion we have
in this refugee welfare fund that hasn't been spent, and
let's get rid of the fund and put it towards
something of better use. And the problem in Washington is
they love spending money, but they don't ever love trying
to find pay for us. But I think Congress has
(23:30):
to do something. If you eliminate some fraud this year,
it'll come back next year unless you give the FD
less money.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Tell me about this six penny plan that I've seen
you sharing on X and you point out accurately obviously
that we've been spent forty trillion dollars into the hole
with this deficit, which is just mind blowing. I remember
what was it that when the Tea Party was concerned
about spending and that was right when you came into office.
(24:00):
Fire Remember, Senator Paul, is it like ten trillion or something?
I mean, it was eight trillion. It was way less.
So here we are.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
The short history of it is amazing. Under George W. Bush,
the debt went from five to ten trillion. It doubled.
Under Barack Obama, it went under eight years, went from
ten to twenty billion, doubled again under the first Trump
administration went from twenty to twenty eight. Under the Biden
it went from twenty eight to thirty six, and now
we're up to forty. So we're on course to do
(24:29):
about eight trillion more, even under a Republican administration. So
this is a program, a process of a commission of
death that is just completely out of control. So what
I've proposed is often Democrats or liberal people in the
press will say, oh, yeah, you're for doing it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 5 (24:44):
How are you going to balance the budget. So I
looked at it and said, well, this is how you
do it. You cut everything six percent. Now, if you
look at everything and you said, oh, we don't want
to cut everything six percent of some things that we like,
then you've cut things, some things more, but on average
you've cut things six percent. And I try this argument
out sometimes with different special interest groups. So one big
special interest group that comes up here are families of
(25:07):
member have members that of Alzheimer's. My family, my wife's family.
Just about everybody knows somebody who has Alzheimer's. And it's
an emotional thing and you want to cure it. And
so I say, well, yeah, government can be a part
of this. But we're two trillion short. And Alzheimer's research
got one hundred million last year. I'm making up that number.
I can't tell you the exact number right now, but
let's say they got one hundred million last year. Would
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you be okay if we gave them ninety four million
this year? Because we're out of money, and every one
of these family members that really wants this research is
emotionally involved in this, nod their head yes and saying, well,
of course we would if it were for the good
of country. But that never happens up here. People ran
and raved the special interest groups that you hate old
people and you don't want to do anything for disease.
(25:51):
And my response to them is I aspired to be
an old person. I'm getting there. I'm all for doing
the research, but I'm for just saying we should spend
what comes in, which I think is not that unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Speaking of Senator rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator, I know
you're a you're a proponent of the Save America Act, right,
So Secure America was this morning with the border and
funding for that. You said through reconciliation. Save America has
to do with election integrity voting procedures, and Democrats oppose this.
(26:24):
There's also this situation in California, and I know these
are separate but related issues. Right of people showing up
and you're allowed to show like a gym membership as
your registration, or you can show uh, you know, I like,
basically anything, any piece of paper that says your name
and you live in California is a lawful way to
vote in the state of California. At this point, is it?
(26:48):
Do Democrats just not want there to be any safeguards
in elections? Really? It feels like every time there's something
that looks common sense, they don't want the common sense.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Yeah, it doesn't appear so, but I also think that
ultimately going to be a losing issue for them. I
think most people are proud of their citizenship, proud of
their country, and don't want their vote to be deluded
by people who are not here legally. But it's more
than just citizenship. It is also the mail in balloting,
and there's more than one way to go about this.
We should keep fighting as a federal issue. We should
(27:18):
keep fighting it as a party issue that our party
is for lawful citizens to vote and that's it. But
we should also fight at state by state, and this
is something that nobody else seems to be talking about.
For example, Arizona, you have to approve the citizenship, so
we checked. We've got that for Arizona. It's a battleground state.
We still lose it every year. I think the main
(27:39):
reason we lose it is they allow people to get
ten ballots in the mail. You don't have to ask
for the ballots, and then eventually somebody shows up at
your door and says, oh, I've got one already filled out.
When you sign it, and then that person takes and
turns in your vote for you, You've got to get
rid of that. And the National Party we raise hundreds
of millions of dollars, even billions of dollars. We should
go in and fight referendum in states that have referendum,
(28:03):
and we should get rid of the mail in balloting
because inherently it's harder to verify you are who you
say you are when you get something mailed in. And
this whole idea of harvesting them and people collecting them
and going door to door I think is repugnant to
the idea of the way elections should be run. So yeah,
we should fight it nationally, fight it as an issue,
(28:23):
try to win election, but we should also go in
state by state. I mean, there's a half a dozen
Republican states that are doing mail in balloting and eventually
they're going to become Democrat states if they continue to
allow this center.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Paul, what's your sense of how close the administration is.
I know you're not personally involved in the negotiations with
Iranians and intermediaries to bring this thing to a conclusion,
but what's your sense of how close it is to that?
Given the President Trump said today, I think we're going
to hit him again, And are you optimistic that this
(28:59):
can be set in time to let gas prices normalize
to where they were before this conflict, so that that's
not a big drag on the GOP in the midterms.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
The President said today, you know I was at the
White House at the press conferences. Is the deal's done?
It just needs to be signed. So I don't know
that begs the question are the Iranians going to sign
it or not? What I would say is this it's
going We have obliterated them. We have entirely our military
completely obliterated them. We won the war, but you still
(29:32):
have to negotiate with them, because unless you're willing to
occupy the country and forcibly dig their uranium back out
of the ground, the enriched uranium is going to require
a diplomatic deal, and I think it's something you don't have.
People say, oh, you can't trust them, Well, this would
be verified by them actually handing it over. But what
I would offer to them, and you're going to have
to offer something, is I would offer restoration of trade,
(29:55):
which means we get rid of sanctions against trade, we
bring them back into the world's economies. They give up
the four hundred and forty kilograms of enricheranium, it's all
leaves the country, and then they sign a statement that
they won't continue to pursue a new crew weapon. Now
people say, oh, you can't trust them, they're terrible people.
This and that all probably true, but you don't trust
(30:16):
them on getting rid of the enrichmeranium. That we will verify.
And as far as whether they start up again. If
they start up again, we reinstitute the sanctions and get started.
You know, we go back to a stage of belligerency
with them. But I think we shouldn't just offer a little.
We should offer release of all the trade and restoration
(30:37):
of trade if they will relinquish the enricheranium and you know,
no longer pursue a new crew weapon. And I think
some in our party don't want that deal. Some of
our parties say, oh, we don't want negotiations. Presents wrong,
You're going to sign a terrible deal because they think
that the regime is inherently not trustworthy and they're bad people.
(30:59):
All of that's t's tue. But you don't make deals
with good people. You don't make trios. We're not having
to do a treaty with Great Britain or with Germany
or with our allies. It's with an adversary, and we
can prove they do what they do what they say
they will if we receive the enricheranium. So that's the
deal I would offer. They give up all of the
enricheranium for release of all of the trade sanctions and
(31:22):
then in a promise not to move forward. And the
promise is has to be policed basically with verification in time.
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Podcast listener Derek in Dayton, Ohio wants to talk f
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Speaker 4 (33:40):
Understand that the jury was approved by Carmelo Anthony's lawyers.
It doesn't matter what color they are. Both sides agreed
to the jury.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yes, that is true. Both sides did agree to that
jury and the jury reached the only reasonable verdict. This
was sometimes these self defense issues. Sometimes self defense cases
can be a close call. Sometimes they can be a
close call. This was not. This was a very straightforward
(34:16):
the facts were really not in dispute situation, and I think, yeah,
this is we can we can move on from this case.
I just think that, if anything, there should be a
lesson from this. You know, people should stop and and
before you go to lethal force, you have to know
(34:36):
that you have absolutely no choice and that when you
explain this to any reasonable person, they will also say
that's correct, you had no choice. I understand why you
did what you did, and that simply is not the
case here. That is absolutely not what happened. So let's
see Scott from Brunswick, Georgia listen on w G I
(35:00):
g G hit it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I would have to disagree with you just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
There are definitely male Karens as well.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
My neighbor happens to be one food for thought. Okay, Ivan,
what do you call a male karen? A care him?
Eh eh, producer, Mike, what do you think? No?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Oh? A ken? Okay, well, uh yeah, so anyway, I
can wait. Is that actually what it's called? Is that
a thing? Guys? Are you? Are you educating. Oh okay,
you just made that up. Oh a kir a kieren
a can okay? Yeah, no, I like a care him
instead of a karen. So, yeah, dad jokes. I'm allowed
(35:47):
to do it because I'm a dad. That's how. That's how.
Those are the rules. I don't make them up. Those
are the rules. Uh. John in California wants to talk John,
what's going on?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Hi, I was just under the same argument they're using,
the saying it was justified. His stabbing him was justified
because he felt threatened. Well, then wouldn't the police officers
or iceations would maybe justified and any time somebody puts
a hand on them, going straight to deadly horse.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Interesting question. I think, thank you, thank you so much, John.
Law enforcement's going to be held to a higher standard
I think in those situations than as a general matter,
then the overall public will that said. Yeah, that's the
problem with this is that if somebody touches your shoulder
or shoves your shoulder and you could just stab them,
(36:35):
it also means you could just shoot them. I mean,
relive an anarchy. That's the case. Okay, A shove on
the shoulder, if it's met with a shove or a punch.
We have people that need to be separated. You can't
just go for a night, especially under the circumstance of
being in a high school like this and all the
rest of it. All right, I'll be talking to you
all tomorrow. Make sure you come hang out three hours.
(36:56):
It'll be just the Buckster and uh yeah, Shield Time.
Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we're joined
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great podcast he's doing over there. Ms Culter. Always a pleasure,
a lot of news to dive into with you. Can
I just burst the Carmelo Anthony case. Are you at
(00:24):
all surprised that people dug in on this one the
way that they did, given that it seemed like the
facts were so clear from the beginning and only further
verified from multiple eyewitness testimony. I don't see how this
could Why are people disputing the outcome here when it
seems like it should be so obvious that this was
(00:45):
the only just outcome.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, one agree with you? And was I surprised? Well,
that's my gift. I'm always surprised by behavior from the left.
You know, A big line used to be, if everything
could be exactly the same, how would you like to
be to grow up black? And I've always said, well,
(01:10):
one great thing about being white is we don't have
to instantly take the side of any white criminal think.
I think there's only one group that does that. My
column is at least in part about the Carmelo Anthony cases.
And I'm glad to say that apparently the group of
supporters Carmelo Anthony had was relatively small. I don't think
(01:33):
this is this does not rise to the level of
the response to the OJ case. So I don't know.
Maybe we have advanced in this country. It seemed like
some really nutty black people standing outside the courthouse and
saying really heinous things. But you know, there are a
lot of nutty white people. You do not see them
taking the side of whites who kill blacks, even when
(01:55):
it's a justified killing. Like with Jake Gardner, the bar
owner who was putting a choke hold during a BLM
protest and white people just en mass turned against him,
evicted him, disavowed him, the white DA cleared him, and
then and then assigns a black prosecutor to go get him.
(02:15):
So Jake Gardner ends up committing suicide. I mean, even
Derek Chauvin and Kim Potter, the police who killed black men,
those were accidents. That was not an intentional I'm plunging
a knife into your heart. Uh. This was in the
process of making arrest to a resisting Felon and uh,
(02:37):
what's another one? Uh? Oh there was the white Hispanic
what was his name? Zimmerman.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, someone yelled Trayvon outside outside the Von Martin yet, Yeah,
that one.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I think it's a little different when someone's knocked you
down and is bashing your head into the concrete to
claim self defense than when someone pushes you.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, I would have went to a I went to
a pretty pretty upscale Catholic school and and there was
a lot of shoving and no plunging of knives into
the center of people's chests. And that's a darn good thing.
But can you explain, because I've cited this on the
show before your I forget which book you did this in,
but I remember it. I remember, like, yep, that's true,
(03:21):
the OJ verdict and the white guilt bank being closed.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, yes, that's sort of the It's my book, Muggs
racial demagoguery from the seventies to Obama, and it goes
through a lot of the wild cases from Manhattan when
we were kids, you especially, I mean, it was like
it is today, but I thought it went away after
the OJ verdicts. You know, every case would be a
(03:49):
mini George Floyd case, and then the facts would turn
out to be the opposite of what the New York
Times had been slapping on its front page for six
weeks or months, and the correction would run on page eighteen,
like they were just gonna whisper to you, Oh yeah,
everything we were telling you about that wasn't true. And
then the oj verdict came, and I people who weren't
(04:10):
alive for that don't realize what a shock to the
system this was. I mean throughout America, in Burger Kings,
at the prestigious Howard University Law School, on the Oprah Show,
on college campuses, and high schools that were being filmed,
almost in Unison, black people erupted in cheers.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
When in my schools, I remember it very very pointedly.
In my school, some of the black students say, started
running around the entire school just yelling at everybody in
your face and like laughing all over the school. And
by the way, no one did anything about it. The
deans that no one did anything, Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, well, I mean, as a general matter, the liberal
approach to making up for slavery and Jim Crow, which
I agree with, the concept of treating black people like
children I think is not working out that well. They
are responsible adults with agency, ought to be responsible for
(05:07):
their own reaction. But there is just so much of
an impulse in academia, among democratic politicians, and certainly overwhelmingly
in the media to treat Black people like children. And
you know, think about raising a child. You spoil a child,
you're not going to get a well adjusted, responsible adult.
But that is the overwhelming approach liberals have had. Well,
(05:31):
that ended with the oj verdict, at least it ended
for about a decade, maybe fifteen years. Then we get Juliani,
one of the great things. I mean, it was the
great It was the best thing, you know, since the
end of Jim Crow I think to happen to Black
people in America because they suddenly started being treated like
adults and the pompous liberals going on about the legacy
(05:51):
of racism people white people were just done. It was,
like I say in the book, like a subway card
that doesn't work anymore when you start crying about slavery
and races. Because people were so shocked. I mean, you
talked to someone alive at that time, and everyone was
just shocked to the core at how black people were
thrilled and as I think, you know, I mean just
(06:11):
a few years ago, which I always said at the time,
black people knew he was guilty. They're not idiots, and
a jurors got forward and said, oh yeah, no, we
knew he was guilty. This was just a retaliation to
let off. Right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, that was what I actually assumed at the time,
that they're like the black students running around my school.
They didn't think that oj was innocent. They were happy
that they knew he was guilty and he got away
with it. And you know, at Leastcott was not guilty
in that trial. And now I think to this situation
with Carmelo Anthony, Now I think you're right. I think
that this one there's some very very stupid people who
(06:47):
are getting media attention because they're outside of this quart
I mean, this one is not this is not a
close call. We have gotten some people calling in today
or emailing in who sort of take a little bit
of issue with that. But anyway, I think that that one,
you know, this case is over and we can move on.
But it is an interesting, uh.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I can say, maybe semi in their defense, there's been
a lot of false reporting about this. I mean, apparently
it is not true that the fund. I mean, I
think it's kind of embarrassing that he that Camrallo Anthony
for stabbing the white kid in the heart instantly, you know,
raises six hundred thousand dollars. Yet and still it was
not spent on cognac and new houses as I understand it.
(07:26):
And also, I mean, I think it came out pretty
clearly at trial that Carmelo Anthony was being asked politely
to leave the tense that he was not supposed to
be under. He wasn't a bully white guy. It's a
white guy who is always portrayed as you know, some snobbish,
preppy jerk out of.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
At It's all the duke lacrosse case. It's it's always
the duke lacrosse case. You know, they're just they're they've
got their lacrosse stick in one hand and they've got
a you know, they've got a bottle of chardonnay and
the other and they're just yelling at Consuela to go
faster as she's cleaning, Like this is the the lie
the media always creates. But you mentioned I think you
(08:07):
mentioned pompus liberals a second ago. This is uh, I
just can we just talk about Scott Pelly for a
minute here, because please, this guy, I mean, he actually
is tweeting out from his yacht about how he appreciates
like all the respect and the love from everybody. He
went in and basically told his boss stuff that you're
(08:28):
a loser. I won't listen to you. This will get
you fired. And but but is this the end of
the pompous, overpaid TV news anchor that we both grew
up with, that we both had to listen to for decades.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I really want to encourage Scott Kelly to keep doing
as many interviews as possible. Oh my gosh, she is
a pompous ass, which I've always known. I've written about
him in one of my columns and doesn't really matter
for what, but for being a pompous ass, I'm being
oh so praised throughout the media. He was bravely called
Donald Trump a fellon because nobody's done that before. And
(09:05):
whatever you think Barry Weiss taking over CBS. I never
watched CBS anyway or sixty minutes, but wow, boy do
I say, go girl, now what she's taken over like Bond.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
They're acting like Bill O'Reilly took over its Arry Wiss.
She was an editorial columnist at the New York Times.
I mean she's kind of a centrist Democrat, if you will.
And they they are apoplectic over there. This dude, Pelly
is crying when he talks about He said, it was like,
what did you did you hear this? By the way,
this was the best. He said that what she is
(09:41):
doing to sixty minutes is like watching a spouse be murdered. Yes,
that's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I hope they all interview him. I think this is
very important. And yeah, as for you know, Barry Weiss,
this is like there the left hysteria. We've got to
get rid of Susan Collins in Maine. Okay, Okay, maybe
Platner is a racist and beat his girlfriends and makes
fun of dying soldiers, some of which I think is
silly as you now. Yet and still we have to
(10:13):
vote for him to get rid of that fascist Susan Collins.
What she's like, the most liberal Republican there is. She
voted for Kavanaugh. That's the only reason I support her.
But to act like Barry Weiss and Susan Collins are
these fire breathing right wingers.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They've lost their minds, I think at some level too,
and they very almost has an impossible task here because
just from like a media and the future of media perspective,
I think CNN there is no regaining what it was,
and particularly regaining trust and credibility. I think that ship
has sailed or do you think that there is some
(10:47):
two point zero version if it really gets because you
know she's in charge of that now too, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I know that'll be great. No, I mean I kind
of wonder about both CBS News and since I don't
think I know anyone under the age of fifty who
owns a television set, so I'm not sure what this.
I mean, having lived through, as you did, the end
of magazines, which were huge business in New York, and
(11:17):
pretty much the end of newspapers. I mean these star
reporters out at various other than the New York Times
and the Washington Post with its sugar Daddy Jeff Bezos.
Newspapers are done over magazines, all the glossies that are
Rolling Stone and GQ, and they're done, done, done. And
having lived through the end of one industry, I don't
(11:39):
know I kind of see the writing on the wall
with CBS, ABC and NBC, to say nothing of CNN,
Fox News and MSNBC. But I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We will. What's the podcast on for this weekend? Your
column is on partially Carmelo Anthony. Tell everybody where they
can go find it.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yes, that'll be on my subject and cult subsect dot
com by tonight or tomorrow. It runs in various newspapers
and it'll be on andculter dot com. But if you
sign up for my substack, it will go right into
your email box and that'll go up in a couple
of hours. It's you know, this week in hate crimes?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Oh wow? Well, just just real quick before we let
you go ahead. Do you feel I feel like the
thing that the administration is not Trump mentioned it today
in the press conference, not talking about enough they've brought down.
I was just in DC. The murder rate in DC
is down like sixty percent. The murder rate in Memphis
is down seventy percent. What is the liberal argument for
Chicago to not work with federal law enforcement to deal
(12:39):
with their murder rate at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It is a very strange obsession that I that I
talked about in the book you just mentioned mugs. I
mean liberals, they want to release criminals. They are just
desperate to release criminals. And we saw it when after
OJ mayor Rudy Giuliani came in and instantly dropped the
murder rate to such an extent that when he ran
for re election, the New York Times itself endorsed him
(13:05):
and made fun of Ruth Messenger, who was running against him,
for claiming that crime wasn't better, and the New York
Times officially editorially had to say, are you out of
your mind? Other cities imitated Rudy Giuliani's policies, and in
those cities the crime came down. And other cities just
crossed their arms and listened to the liberal progressives like
(13:26):
the ones who are probably going to be the next
mayor of Los Angeles, that no, we need more community
outreach and activists we need and the day of New York,
oh my gosh, No, liberals just want to release criminals.
It's a psychologue.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But Clay and I have to do like we got
to do, like a long form sit down with you,
because I always have more. Can you give me just
a quick fire in this one in La. Are they
cheating or are they just that many crazy people in La?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I'm so glad you asked. That's the other thing I
was thinking writing about this week. I may do it
next week. No, it is massive state wide cheating. I
am so voting for Steve Hilton. He does have Sergery
Brynn behind him because Sergi Brynn is dating a MAGA influencer,
something I talked about in might rumblem on sub video
this week. She's the woman who may save California because
(14:13):
SERGEI has given Hilton enough money to try to reduce
the cheating. But because California is a one party state,
Republicans don't bother catching the cheating or changing the cheat.
The main thing is, as I think people are familiar
with from twenty twenty, is having these mail in ballots.
They are sent to every quote registered voters voter, including
(14:35):
the registered voters at one time from a decade ago
who have moved to have died. These these these ballots
are just floating all over the state other people.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And they have illegals, They have illegals being paid and
to pick them up. We found that out from Steve
Hilton himself. So I mean, that's just crazy. They're able
to just go get them and you can vote.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I was just gonna say it's baked into the system
before you even get to counting the votes.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, crazy, crazy and Culter dot subsect dot com. Go
check it out, guys, and thank you so much. Well,
when Clay's back, we'll have you back.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
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about the Secure America Act talking about that. But we
got a talkback here Dustin from Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Play it, hey, Buck, did your call screener stay out
with Clay today Cuz y'all are letting some trash in.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Hey you you say you lay off my produce. He's
been on the phones. Today's doing a great job. I
sometimes am going to lean especially on when we have
a contentious topic or we have something here that people
are very passionate about. I want sometimes those voices who disagree,
whether it's a live call or a talkback, to get
on the air here so you know, we can have
(17:18):
a fullsome well rounded conversation about all of it. So
there's gonna be people that disagree, obviously, and I want
to hear from them too. I mean, I disagree the
most with the guy who said, you know that he
hates all Karens or whatever. I think, first of all,
I don't even like that term. I think it's often
kind of an anti white woman term that's thrown around.
You only hear white women being called Karens, and so
(17:39):
I don't really I actually generally would stay away from
you using the term, although I would use it in
the praise sense of I think sometimes it's a woman
of any color who stands up and says, hey, can
you guys, because it's usually guys being disrespectful, can you guys,
you know, keep it down or be a little more respectful.
And I think that's uh. I think that's an important
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We are joined by Kentucky Senator Ran Paul. He was
in the Oval Office today while Trump was signing the
Secure America Act. Senator, always appreciate you stopping by.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Thanks for having me book. Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So the significance of this, let's start with what you
saw in the Oval this morning. President Trump was there
signing it. So we've got funding for ice, funding for
border patrol. This is clearly going in the right direction.
What does it mean and do you think that the
policy initiative is going to get kicked up again rather
the impetus to do more on immigration enforcement, because it
(19:40):
feels to some like there's been a bit of drift
from it. You know.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I think this is going to be President Trump's largest
achievement in the Republican Congress's largest achievement, and that is
controlling the border. I think the people spoke in the election,
but also just the evidence of perhaps as many as
eight million people coming in during the Biden administration and
going to zero. So I think that is a is
a big deal. This is the first time we have
(20:04):
done funding of border patrol and border security, though through
a partisan means reconciliation is a simple majority way of
getting around the philip Us rules. We did that, it
was with only Republican votes. So this is a first,
but I think it's also something that President Trump will
be remembered for, and it's also a large reason why
I think people aren't trusting the Democrats. Now, I think
(20:27):
there's something that we can push on top of this.
What I've been saying is not only do we need
a wall to keep people from coming into the country,
we need a wall around our welfare system. So we
passed years ago and said, oh, if you come into
the country's and you're ineligible for welfare for five years,
but then they make all these exceptions. They said, oh,
if you have a special visa, So if you came
(20:48):
from Afghanistan, Iraq and the last because of the wars,
you can get welfare. If you came in as a
refugee from Somalia, you can get welfare. But then when
we measure this like the small it's like eighty five
to ninety on welfare for over ten years. So I
think we need now to move on to saying, yes,
we're controlling the border, but we need to control the
(21:12):
you know, put a wall around the welfare state so
that these people are able to come in. You know,
the American dreams should be about jobs, not coming here
to get welfare.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's astonishing a center, Paul, when we start to look
into just how much, or rather how large the fraud
is and how many dollars are going into this, Uh,
it feels like it's just endless. It's a black hole.
It's it's never it's we're never going to find every dollar.
But it feels like we're just scratching the surface as well.
(21:41):
Do you feel like jd. Vance as the Vice president
and I guess he probably wouldn't want to be called
the frauds are but you know what I mean, this
is his mandate is to find this stuff. Are you
hopeful that there will be reform and change not just
on the executive side in terms of prosecution, but is
there is there a role here for Congress for the Senate?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
You act, well, yeah, I'm excited that the administration is
looking at this and trying to call back and arrest
and put these people in jail. But the other side
is the funding source. So if someone's ripping off twenty
percent of the product, you need to cut the spending
by twenty percent or more. So I've introduced a couple
of amendments to say that refugees should be ineligible for welfare,
(22:25):
and I forced these to a vote. It's not easy
because the powers that be don't want to vote on
these things. But the two times that I've forced this vote,
I've got about twenty to twenty four Republicans supporting ending
welfare for refugees, but I get about thirty of the
Establishment voting for it. Now all the Democrats are for it.
Every Democrat is unified and being for welfare for refugees,
(22:46):
but even the Republicans. You know, I'm having trouble. So
if you really want to root out fraud, you got
to defund it. The interesting thing about refugee welfare is
we allocate money every year for it, and some of
it is stored up, So we have twenty six billion
in account. We keep putting about four or five billion
in it every year, but they're not spending it, which
is good. But I say bring that back. Let's go
(23:08):
ahead and just claw it back. Yesterday they were promoting
a new spending bill on the floor. I said, well,
why don't we take the twenty six billion we have
in this refugee welfare fund that hasn't been spent, and
let's get rid of the fund and put it towards
something of better use. And the problem in Washington is
they love spending money, but they don't ever love trying
to find pay for us. But I think Congress has
(23:30):
to do something. If you eliminate some fraud this year,
it'll come back next year unless you give the FD
less money.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Tell me about this six penny plan that I've seen
you sharing on X and you point out accurately obviously
that we've been spent forty trillion dollars into the hole
with this deficit, which is just mind blowing. I remember
what was it that when the Tea Party was concerned
about spending and that was right when you came into office.
(24:00):
Fire Remember, Senator Paul, is it like ten trillion or something?
I mean, it was eight trillion. It was way less.
So here we are.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
The short history of it is amazing. Under George W. Bush,
the debt went from five to ten trillion. It doubled.
Under Barack Obama, it went under eight years, went from
ten to twenty billion, doubled again under the first Trump
administration went from twenty to twenty eight. Under the Biden
it went from twenty eight to thirty six, and now
we're up to forty. So we're on course to do
(24:29):
about eight trillion more, even under a Republican administration. So
this is a program, a process of a commission of
death that is just completely out of control. So what
I've proposed is often Democrats or liberal people in the
press will say, oh, yeah, you're for doing it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 5 (24:44):
How are you going to balance the budget. So I
looked at it and said, well, this is how you
do it. You cut everything six percent. Now, if you
look at everything and you said, oh, we don't want
to cut everything six percent of some things that we like,
then you've cut things, some things more, but on average
you've cut things six percent. And I try this argument
out sometimes with different special interest groups. So one big
special interest group that comes up here are families of
(25:07):
member have members that of Alzheimer's. My family, my wife's family.
Just about everybody knows somebody who has Alzheimer's. And it's
an emotional thing and you want to cure it. And
so I say, well, yeah, government can be a part
of this. But we're two trillion short. And Alzheimer's research
got one hundred million last year. I'm making up that number.
I can't tell you the exact number right now, but
let's say they got one hundred million last year. Would
(25:29):
you be okay if we gave them ninety four million
this year? Because we're out of money, and every one
of these family members that really wants this research is
emotionally involved in this, nod their head yes and saying, well,
of course we would if it were for the good
of country. But that never happens up here. People ran
and raved the special interest groups that you hate old
people and you don't want to do anything for disease.
(25:51):
And my response to them is I aspired to be
an old person. I'm getting there. I'm all for doing
the research, but I'm for just saying we should spend
what comes in, which I think is not that unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Speaking of Senator rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator, I know
you're a you're a proponent of the Save America Act, right,
So Secure America was this morning with the border and
funding for that. You said through reconciliation. Save America has
to do with election integrity voting procedures, and Democrats oppose this.
(26:24):
There's also this situation in California, and I know these
are separate but related issues. Right of people showing up
and you're allowed to show like a gym membership as
your registration, or you can show uh, you know, I like,
basically anything, any piece of paper that says your name
and you live in California is a lawful way to
vote in the state of California. At this point, is it?
(26:48):
Do Democrats just not want there to be any safeguards
in elections? Really? It feels like every time there's something
that looks common sense, they don't want the common sense.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Yeah, it doesn't appear so, but I also think that
ultimately going to be a losing issue for them. I
think most people are proud of their citizenship, proud of
their country, and don't want their vote to be deluded
by people who are not here legally. But it's more
than just citizenship. It is also the mail in balloting,
and there's more than one way to go about this.
We should keep fighting as a federal issue. We should
(27:18):
keep fighting it as a party issue that our party
is for lawful citizens to vote and that's it. But
we should also fight at state by state, and this
is something that nobody else seems to be talking about.
For example, Arizona, you have to approve the citizenship, so
we checked. We've got that for Arizona. It's a battleground state.
We still lose it every year. I think the main
(27:39):
reason we lose it is they allow people to get
ten ballots in the mail. You don't have to ask
for the ballots, and then eventually somebody shows up at
your door and says, oh, I've got one already filled out.
When you sign it, and then that person takes and
turns in your vote for you, You've got to get
rid of that. And the National Party we raise hundreds
of millions of dollars, even billions of dollars. We should
go in and fight referendum in states that have referendum,
(28:03):
and we should get rid of the mail in balloting
because inherently it's harder to verify you are who you
say you are when you get something mailed in. And
this whole idea of harvesting them and people collecting them
and going door to door I think is repugnant to
the idea of the way elections should be run. So yeah,
we should fight it nationally, fight it as an issue,
(28:23):
try to win election, but we should also go in
state by state. I mean, there's a half a dozen
Republican states that are doing mail in balloting and eventually
they're going to become Democrat states if they continue to
allow this center.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Paul, what's your sense of how close the administration is.
I know you're not personally involved in the negotiations with
Iranians and intermediaries to bring this thing to a conclusion,
but what's your sense of how close it is to that?
Given the President Trump said today, I think we're going
to hit him again, And are you optimistic that this
(28:59):
can be set in time to let gas prices normalize
to where they were before this conflict, so that that's
not a big drag on the GOP in the midterms.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
The President said today, you know I was at the
White House at the press conferences. Is the deal's done?
It just needs to be signed. So I don't know
that begs the question are the Iranians going to sign
it or not? What I would say is this it's
going We have obliterated them. We have entirely our military
completely obliterated them. We won the war, but you still
(29:32):
have to negotiate with them, because unless you're willing to
occupy the country and forcibly dig their uranium back out
of the ground, the enriched uranium is going to require
a diplomatic deal, and I think it's something you don't have.
People say, oh, you can't trust them, Well, this would
be verified by them actually handing it over. But what
I would offer to them, and you're going to have
to offer something, is I would offer restoration of trade,
(29:55):
which means we get rid of sanctions against trade, we
bring them back into the world's economies. They give up
the four hundred and forty kilograms of enricheranium, it's all
leaves the country, and then they sign a statement that
they won't continue to pursue a new crew weapon. Now
people say, oh, you can't trust them, they're terrible people.
This and that all probably true, but you don't trust
(30:16):
them on getting rid of the enrichmeranium. That we will verify.
And as far as whether they start up again. If
they start up again, we reinstitute the sanctions and get started.
You know, we go back to a stage of belligerency
with them. But I think we shouldn't just offer a little.
We should offer release of all the trade and restoration
(30:37):
of trade if they will relinquish the enricheranium and you know,
no longer pursue a new crew weapon. And I think
some in our party don't want that deal. Some of
our parties say, oh, we don't want negotiations. Presents wrong,
You're going to sign a terrible deal because they think
that the regime is inherently not trustworthy and they're bad people.
(30:59):
All of that's t's tue. But you don't make deals
with good people. You don't make trios. We're not having
to do a treaty with Great Britain or with Germany
or with our allies. It's with an adversary, and we
can prove they do what they do what they say
they will if we receive the enricheranium. So that's the
deal I would offer. They give up all of the
enricheranium for release of all of the trade sanctions and
(31:22):
then in a promise not to move forward. And the
promise is has to be policed basically with verification in time.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
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So it just be me tomorrow and then Friday as well,
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on the talkbacks hit Hello.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Understand that the jury was approved by Carmelo Anthony's lawyers.
It doesn't matter what color they are. Both sides agreed
to the jury.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yes, that is true. Both sides did agree to that
jury and the jury reached the only reasonable verdict. This
was sometimes these self defense issues. Sometimes self defense cases
can be a close call. Sometimes they can be a
close call. This was not. This was a very straightforward
(34:16):
the facts were really not in dispute situation, and I think, yeah,
this is we can we can move on from this case.
I just think that, if anything, there should be a
lesson from this. You know, people should stop and and
before you go to lethal force, you have to know
(34:36):
that you have absolutely no choice and that when you
explain this to any reasonable person, they will also say
that's correct, you had no choice. I understand why you
did what you did, and that simply is not the
case here. That is absolutely not what happened. So let's
see Scott from Brunswick, Georgia listen on w G I
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g G hit it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I would have to disagree with you just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
There are definitely male Karens as well.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
My neighbor happens to be one food for thought. Okay, Ivan,
what do you call a male karen? A care him?
Eh eh, producer, Mike, what do you think? No?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Oh? A ken? Okay, well, uh yeah, so anyway, I
can wait. Is that actually what it's called? Is that
a thing? Guys? Are you? Are you educating. Oh okay,
you just made that up. Oh a kir a kieren
a can okay? Yeah, no, I like a care him
instead of a karen. So, yeah, dad jokes. I'm allowed
(35:47):
to do it because I'm a dad. That's how. That's how.
Those are the rules. I don't make them up. Those
are the rules. Uh. John in California wants to talk John,
what's going on?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Hi, I was just under the same argument they're using,
the saying it was justified. His stabbing him was justified
because he felt threatened. Well, then wouldn't the police officers
or iceations would maybe justified and any time somebody puts
a hand on them, going straight to deadly horse.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Interesting question. I think, thank you, thank you so much, John.
Law enforcement's going to be held to a higher standard
I think in those situations than as a general matter,
then the overall public will that said. Yeah, that's the
problem with this is that if somebody touches your shoulder
or shoves your shoulder and you could just stab them,
(36:35):
it also means you could just shoot them. I mean,
relive an anarchy. That's the case. Okay, A shove on
the shoulder, if it's met with a shove or a punch.
We have people that need to be separated. You can't
just go for a night, especially under the circumstance of
being in a high school like this and all the
rest of it. All right, I'll be talking to you
all tomorrow. Make sure you come hang out three hours.
(36:56):
It'll be just the Buckster and uh yeah, Shield Time.
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