February 4, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a wide‑ranging and substantive close to the program, blending breaking news, election‑year politics, media industry shakeups, and an extended cultural and legal discussion surrounding transgender medical procedures for minors. The hour opens with Clay Travis outlining major developing stories, including the ongoing multi‑day search for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of Savannah Guthrie, stalled U.S.–Iran nuclear talks that raise the prospect of renewed military confrontation, and the life‑in‑prison sentencing of would‑be Trump assassin Ryan Routh. Clay and Buck also flag a seismic media story: Jeff Bezos abruptly downsizing The Washington Post, slashing roughly one‑third of its staff after years of financial losses, collapsing subscriptions, and backlash over the paper’s hyper‑partisan anti‑Trump posture—an inflection point they frame as emblematic of the broader decline of legacy media.
A major focus of Hour 3 of the program is National Girls and Women in Sports Day, highlighted by an in‑depth interview with Georgia Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones. Jones sharply criticizes Senator Jon Ossoff for repeatedly voting in favor of allowing biological males to compete in women’s sports, arguing that the position is far outside the mainstream of Georgia voters. He outlines his support for protecting girls’ sports, promoting fairness and safety for female athletes, and launching the “Girl Dads for Burt” initiative to mobilize fathers concerned about Title IX, school sports policies, and biological sex standards in competition. The conversation expands to Georgia’s upcoming 2026 elections, the state’s evolving political alignment, Republican prospects for flipping a U.S. Senate seat, and why Georgia has elected Republican statewide officials while sending Democratic senators to Washington.
As the hour progresses, the tone briefly lightens with listener engagement and humor, including talkback reactions, personal banter, and pop‑culture debate—most notably a running discussion about Taylor Swift’s legacy, Buck Sexton’s past commentary, and the dynamic between single‑life versus married‑life perspectives. These moments offer contrast before the show pivots back to one of its most serious segments.
The latter half of Hour 3 features a lengthy and pointed interview with Karol Markowicz, New York Post columnist and podcast host, focused on what both she and Buck describe as the collapse of the transgender medical experiment involving children. Markowicz breaks down the implications of a recent $2 million New York jury verdict against doctors who performed irreversible gender surgeries on a minor, calling it a historic line‑in‑the‑sand moment that could finally impose accountability on medical institutions. She discusses the scale of pediatric gender interventions, chest binding, hormones, and surgeries, and argues that financial liability and courtroom scrutiny—not media narratives—may ultimately end the practice. Both hosts frame the issue as one of coercion, institutional dishonesty, and emotional manipulation of parents, drawing parallels to COVID‑era policy failures and warning that “kindness” was used as a rhetorical weapon to justify long‑term harm to children.
The hour closes with further listener talkbacks, reflections on cultural conformity, and a call to expand the podcast audience, reinforcing that Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show combines high‑stakes political analysis, media accountability, parental advocacy, and cultural commentary to conclude the day’s broadcast with energy, clarity, and conviction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
(00:04):
of you hanging out with us. We roll into the
third hour of the program. We're going to be joined
by the Lieutenant Governor Georgia bur Jones here in a
sec But let me set the table for several different
things that have happened during the course of the program.
Day four, search for Nancy Guthrie. Still no major news
about where she might be as that continues. That is
(00:27):
the mom of Savannah Guthrie. She went missing in Arizona
one eight hundred call FBI is the tip line there
for any of you in Arizona or anywhere else that
may be able to help with the mystery of what
has transpired with her. Breaking news reports from various different sites.
Friday's nuclear talks between the US and Iran have been canceled,
(00:51):
and so the odds of I would imagine strikes from
the United States on Iran have as a result grown.
The second would be Trump assassin Ryan Routh has been
sentenced to life in prisons. As that is going on,
and the American Society of Plastic Surgeons and the American
(01:13):
Medical Association, we'll talk with Carol Markowitz at the bottom
of the hour about this have both said that trans
surgeries on young people should not be occurring. That comes
in the wake of a two million dollar verdict in
New York and buck big story out of Washington, d C.
In media, Jeff Bezos finally you were at Blue Origin,
(01:33):
which is the space company of Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
On Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Jeff Bezos is finally fed up with the Washington Post,
which he purchased for two hundred and fifty million dollars
back in twenty thirteen. He now is saying, basically, I'm
done with what the Post has become. They are firing
one third of all of the employees at the Washington Post.
They became a subscription newspaper. They were virulently anti Trump
(02:02):
in term one. The Post refused to endorse in the
election of twenty twenty four. Subscribers revolted because there's a
far left wing news organization, and so everyone out there
who was a subscriber, many of them cut. Bezos finally said,
(02:24):
I'm tired of losing tens of millions of dollars. It's
a big story there that I think maybe we could
talk about a little bit. Thursday, Friday as the weekend
rolls on. But we are joined now by the Lieutenant
Governor of Georgia, Burt Jones, and it is National Girls
and Women's Sports Day, and in the state of Georgia,
(02:45):
there is a big Senate race coming up, and I'll
start with this question for you, Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones.
John Asoff, who is running for Senate reelection in Georgia,
be a big decision in twenty twenty six for the
people of Georgia. He actually thinks men should be able
to compete in women's sports. I can't imagine that is
(03:05):
something that the vast majority of Georgians agree with, particularly
the dad's out there.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
No and Clay and Buck. I appreciate y'all having me
on today. And it's really hard to believe that a
senator from Georgia, you know, has voted three different times
to allow boys and the girls' sports. And you know,
he's always trying to play the middle of the road democrat,
but he kind of shows his true colors when when
(03:31):
he when he does that on three different occasions. So
obviously we've got to come up with a nominee run
against him. We've got several guys who are running for
that I think would make good candidates and and uh
and so hopefully when when that winter emerges, we'll we'll
all get behind him and uh see if we can't
knock him off, because uh, it's it's embarrassing when I
(03:54):
have to go to the Alabama Senators when I need
something in d C, you know, because uh, ours are
not very helpful. And that's that's that's not the way
it should be.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So you've got a big election coming up. Obviously, the
governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, has been very popular. You
are the Lieutenant governor, and you're launching something that I
think is important. Girl Dads for Bert statewide coalition of
dads standing up for fair and its safety opportunity in
girl sports today again National Girls and Women in Sports.
Riley Gaines, who works with me at OutKick, has been
(04:27):
tremendous on speaking out on this issue. For dads who
want to sign up, and there are a ton of
them out there listening right now that are fed up
about this issue. What would you tell them to do?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well? And tell them to go to girl Dads for
Bird dot com. Girl Dads for Bird dot Com and
this is something that look, we pushed two years ago
and Riley Gaines helped us with this effort. We honestly
before the federal Act was put in place, we push
and got it done in the state of Georgia and
not allowing boys and girls sports and as a as
(04:58):
a father of a teenage honor who's a good athlete,
uh and lights to compete in a lot of different sports. Uh,
you know, it was it was a no brainer for
me and a lot of guys that that I played
with in college that have daughters themselves. They are involved
with us and it's just helping us spread the word
because it is National Women's Sports Day. You wonder where
(05:19):
all the title nine women were that fought for to
put women on equal playing field as far as scholarships,
who can turns Uh, it's concerned at the collegiate level.
They they were, they were nowhere to be found when
it was time to try to save girls' sports from
a biologically male athletes. So uh, but so we're celebrating
(05:40):
that and we thought it'd be in this campaign for governor.
You know, it's a it's a long haul, so you
do have to come up some different things every once
in a while, and this was something we felt passionate
about and we were glad to have so many people
participate and help us. Riley Gaines being one Hall of
Fame football NFL star Champ Bailey is on board helping
(06:01):
us with it, and obviously, yeah, go to girls, girl
dads frobird dot com and I would love to have
you engaged and involved in the campaign and then this
effort as well.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Why do you think the state of Georgia has elected
Republicans to statewide office by and large that are in
state government, but has now three consecutive cycles elected senators
who are Democrats and don't really represent the state of Georgia,
particularly on this issue, which is just a cultural flashpoint
very well at all. And can that change in twenty six.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, I think you can definitely change. Obviously, the last
election cycle, you know, the president, President Trump, who's endorsing
me for governor, won Georgia by a pretty good margin.
And then if you look at some of the other
races back in twenty two where all statewide constitutional officers
(06:58):
one Republicans one on the state wide elections, with the
exception of herschel Walker when he was running for US Senate.
So it definitely is still a red, red state, and
I think has gotten redder as the Democrats has gotten
further and further away from just middle the road politics.
It just seemingly have just gone so far left, that is,
(07:21):
it's a very different looking Democratic Party than it was
just ten years ago here in the state of Georgia.
So I do think that we'll have an opportunity. I
think Look, I think those those elections were just although
they had it was a perfect storm with a couple
of those things. How you ended up with Warren Onck
and ofs Off and and we're going to try to
prevent that from happening this cycle. We've worked a lot
(07:42):
on election integrity, We've worked a lot on grassroots efforts,
and our state Republican Party has gotten a lot stronger
and more organized than probably what we were four or
five years ago.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I'm assuming a Lieutenant Governorance Box, thanks for being here,
that it will come up quite a bit this election.
That as Off back in March of last year joined
Senate Democrats and blocking the Protection of Women and Girls
in Sports Act and his when when I was looking
this up, I was like, what is his rationale for
(08:14):
this or how does he and and he has people
out there, his spokespersons are saying it's extremely intrusive for
the federal government to confirm or sorry, American parents don't
need federal government confirming children's genitalia quote end quote.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That was what he said.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
This is crazy, this is like, this is this is
not rational stuff from this senator.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No, no, not at all. And you know, especially with
one of the people he's running against actually passed the
Riley Gaines Act at the federal level, Congressman Mike Collins,
who's running for US Senate. Uh, he passed the bill
that has gotten so much fan there here locally, and
he's potentially as his opponent, you know, in the November election.
(09:01):
So look, I can't make sense. There's a lot of
things that that the Senator says. So I don't need
to try to try to get in his head because
obviously he's just to make a statement like that is
just preposterous. And so anyways, I just you know, that's
all the more reasons why we gotta we got to
have a strong gubernatorial nominee like myself, a strong Senate
(09:26):
candidate where we can have a big coalition to make
sure that that we flip that that feedback into the
red column.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, thank you for the time, Lieutenant Governor. For anybody
out there that wants to help in the campaign, what
would you tell him to do.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I would tell him to go to Burt Jones FORGA
dot com, Burt Jones FORGA dot com, and of course
that you go to all our different platforms on social media.
But you got to our website and we'd love to
have volunteers. We love to have any kind of engagement
that you'd like to participate in, we'd love to have you.
It's a very important race. George is a very important state,
and that there's the reason why President Trump endorsed me
(10:03):
for this governor's race very early on, because he knows
how important Georgia is, not just not just for our
politics here locally, but on the national stage as well.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
No doubt that's Bert Jones running for governor in the
state of Georgia going to be one of the top
battle grounds in twenty twenty six. Lieutenant Governor, Now, thank you, sir.
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Speaker 4 (11:30):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We insist
on accountability on this program, accountability in government, accountability for
ourselves as hosts, and what we say.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I bring this up.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Because scurleiss accusation now being leveled about my changing opinion
on Taylor Swift. Podcast listener Justin wants to weigh in on.
He says he used to listen to me solo and
I was singing a different tune, so to speak. This
is this is talkback age hit. It does everyone remember
when Buck had his own show, and he had quite
(12:06):
a bit of praise for Taylor Swift, going so far
as to call her t Swift.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Wow, whoa w wow, whoaow hold lot of second, hold,
lot of side. Go to the tape.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I mean, we could probably find this stuff if to
remember solo show, Buck was a single man, and and
and my, uh.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So you were willing to lie about your your opinions
of Taylor Swift to curry favor with.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Single No, I I was.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I was impressed with her, her talent, and I thought
she was somewhat good looking at the time. Now, of course,
I'm a happily married man. I don't even consider such things.
But at the time I was willing to say, perhaps
that she was hot and and.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That you know is as a single guy. That's uh,
you know, that's just the way things are at the time.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And and you know, there and that I was impressed
with also her many fans, some of whom were women
in my you know, general age category to the stand
who I did not wish to upset as a single
man out on the scene at the time by trashing.
So I didn't want the te swifters to left swipe
(13:17):
on me just because I had said mean things about
her music.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So am I playing a little bit of both sides
on this one. Yeah, but we're talking about single men
versus married man. It's very very different, very different.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Maybe we need to get Tommy Larin on the show
because she hopped in the mentions on Instagram, signed off
on my Taylor Swift take and said she's going to
be bigger than the Beatles. Ali, let's get Tommy booked
because she has great taste when it comes to arguments.
And let's see Elaine in bell Air, Florida. Elaine, what
you got for us?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Hey, I am embarrassed to say I'm not real great
up to speed on my social media. Clay, did you
shave your beard?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Beard? To thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You did you know yesterday?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Buck?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
This is talking about unfortunate occurrences. So I'm oftentimes I
don't get a haircut as often as I should. As
many people out there are probably noticed, I'm not the
best at at making myself look the best. So I
had time at the hotel to get a haircut. They
have a hair salon in the hotel, so I stopped
got the haircut, and as I was getting the haircut,
(14:26):
the woman giving me the haircut said, what's the deal
with your mustache? And I said, well, you know, I
lost a bet, I've got the mustache. And she just
kind of nodded. She was cutting my hair, and she said,
you know I'm Russian, and I said, yeah, you can
tell by the accent. She said, if you want that
mustache gone, I can take it off for you right now,
(14:48):
and you can just claim that your Russian hairdresser misunderstood
when you asked me to trim it, and you thought
that I was going to take it off. But I'll
have you know, Buck, because I'm honest, because I'm forthright,
because I don't uh, I don't tiptoe up and try
to dodge Bets. I told her no, you can just
trim it up, make it look better. And she said, okay,
but again I'm Russian, and I can just claim that
(15:09):
I didn't understand you well. And if you can use
that as an excuse, I.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Feel like your Russian hairdresser could also get you a
stinger missile if you needed it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Sounds like it's probably true. She was definitely, I wondered.
I was like, is this Uh? Is this the KGB
after me? But she gave me a great haircut, so
I think I'm in good shape.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I like, by the way, you know, there's a certain
boldness that Clay exhibits on this front where he will
just walk around and he'll get his haircut anywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I mean Clay, there's he'll go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Like you know, he's in South Florida where everyone here
has like the fade and it's shaved along the sides.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And then they did it to me once looked not good. Uh.
Clay will go in anywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
You know, he could be He could be walking around Fairbanks, Alaska,
and he's like, oh, look at that Moose Cuts.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Let's go into Moose Cuts. And it's true.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I go in and they say like, what do you want?
And inevitably I say, well, I just want, you know,
a decent haircut. I trust you to make me look,
you know, decent, whether it's Supercuts, whether it's the hotel,
whether it's Miami like random barber shop as I'm walking
along the street, and I think the end result here
was positive.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
But did you try to cut your own hair during COVID?
Did you ever try to cut your own hair? I
lived in Tennessee. Nothing shut down.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh that's right, damn it. I had in New York,
we had. I live in Franklin, Tennessee. My gem was
opened by May of twenty twenty, like they'd never the
We basically didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Just rubbing it in. Now he's just he's just rubbing it.
I just didn't do it my hair. I started to
look like Tom hanksen Castaway with the hair. But then
the rest of me was just getting really fat instead
of getting really skinny. So if you imagine Tom Hanks castaway,
but if he was just eating delivery pad tie and
like lots and lots of Reese's pieces, that was kind
(16:52):
of my vibe during Doc.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Dances by Yourself in your Apartment while claiming that you
like Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's all a single girls you were dma oh, I'm
big t Swift Man. I love I love the new album.
It's very it's powerful. She didn't look I mean, you know,
she's got generation. This is like, this is.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
A little bit like my Natalie Portman, which, by the way,
most people agreed with me on. It's not that she's
I'm not saying she's ugly. I'm not a lunatic, I'm
not blind. But she's just not that pretty. She's just
not that pretty. Not only I mean, sorry Taylor Swift. Yes,
she has captured a generation, but I do not think
she will be a multi generational phenomenon the way that
(17:32):
certain other musical acts, like, for example, the Beatles have been.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That's just my that's my take. And and also her
boy you know. And and now I'm married and she's
married or no, she's not married. She's about to get married, right. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
She get married to Travis Kelcey at the super Bowl,
which is where not at the super Bowl, but he's
been at the Super Bowl a lot. I am leaving
right now to go to San Francisco. You're gonna close
up shop. I gotta get to lax and somehow fly
on my Southwest flight up to San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
We're gonna take that mustache away, right. Don't let anyone play,
Just let me through security.
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Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Welcome back in here too, Play and Buck right now,
just Buck has glad to run because it's going to
the super Bowl. But don't worry, I'm going to hold
the four down with the assistance, of course, of the
one and only Carol Markowitz of the klan Buck Podcast Network.
She does a great show. She also teams up with
Mary Catherine Hamper. Normally this is on the klaan Buck
Podcast Network. You guys will love the show, especially for
(19:19):
the moms out there. Carol is the mommy podcaster extraordinaire. Carol, Welcome,
Welcome back.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
To the program. Thanks so much for having me. I
can't believe I'm not going to get a chance to
make fun of Clay's mustache.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I know you're gonna have to come back. Hopefully he's
not gonna wimp out and grow the rest of his
facial airback because the mustache is it's like Clay stepped
in a time machine and we have nineteen seventy five
Clay right now. It's pretty pretty awesome. But your piece,
your piece got my attention, as it always does. New
York Post. Here to end, transgender madness. Make the ghouls
(19:56):
who push these surgeries pay the price. We talked about
this in the opening the show. Adolescens get shued bigly.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I agree, yeah, and I think that this is the
only way to really end this insanity. People forget that
for so many years, not only was this all pushed
on the rest of us as the normal thing to do. Sure,
cut off the breast of a healthy teenage girl to
make her pretend that she's a boy. That was something
that not only was the medical profession telling Americans was
(20:30):
the right thing to do. But if you dare to
disagree with this in any way, you were a bigot,
You were anti trans you were a terrible person who
wanted to see dead kids. So this wind draws the
line in the sand and says no more of this.
And in my column I highlight how many kids you
know had this kind of surgery. The HHS puts the
(20:51):
number at around thirty seven hundreds thirty seven hundred American
adolescents in just four years. So it's a really crazy
large amount of numbers of kids who went through this
serious surgery. But then there's so many more kids who
did things like breastbinding or took hormones and have their
lives ruined forever, and the people who did this to
(21:12):
them should be made to pay.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know, I just had a conversation yesterday actually with
a Floridian who I was talking to him and he
does some house flipping and remodeling and stuff like that,
and I said, you know, why do you move down here?
And he said, honestly, the breaking point was at my school,
you know, my kids school. Rather they started pushing the
tran stuff and he was in I think fifth or
(21:35):
sixth grade or something, and he's like, I just had
to I had to just say enough is enough, and
I moved down here to Florida, where, of course they
don't do that stuff in the schools, thank you, Governor DeSantis.
But even like Megan Kelly, Megan Kelly pulled and she's
been very open about this. She talked about on her show.
She pulled her son from a school that was like
the rival school to the one I went to in
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New York. So kind of hit get close to home
because they were doing like trans you know, coming out
day stuff for kids in primary school.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Yeah, what's really crazy is how prevalent it became in
places like New York City, and it was very much
a geographical question, like depending on where you were, it
mattered for whether this kind of thing was going to
hit your kids or not. My daughter we moved when
she was in the middle of sixth grade. We moved
from New York to Florida, and she would have In
(22:27):
New York, she had i would say, close to a
dozen friends who in some way called themselves trends. Maybe
they said they were non binary, which was kind of
the easier way out, or they declared themselves the opposite
gender from what they were. When she got to Florida,
there were none. Zero. She has not encountered this at all,
and that really goes to show something was it was
(22:48):
a nationwide social contagion, but it really only caught on
in certain areas. You know. There was this kind of
jokey line about it at the time, in like twenty twenty,
but it was like, there's no trans kids in the hood,
and that was the thing. It wasn't happening everywhere. It
was happening in these spar left enclaves that allowed this
to happen, and then it was seeping into red areas also.
(23:09):
But a lot of times parents in those areas were
putting a stop to it, Carol.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
One thing that you also detail in your New York
post piece. And I think it's just so important that
people know about this, and it's it goes to how
disgraceful all this stuff was, and it is these procedures
that they put sometimes kids through. And I even I
actually think this stuff should be illegal for adults as well,
(23:37):
because I think it's these are not medical procedures. That's
a whole that's a whole other conversation. We're talking now
about non adults. We're talking about minors, and some of
these procedures, even things like chest binding, which you get
into here, is can deform these young girls and give
them a lifelong pain.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Yeah. Yeah. And what was so crazy about and that
era where we were all made to say that we
would support this kind of insanity, was that it really
did grip so many different kinds of people. You know,
when Bethany Mendel and I wrote our book Stolen News,
it was published in twenty twenty three, so we were
writing it in like twenty one twenty two. We had
(24:18):
when we were talking to conservative publishers. They were saying
to us, we love the book Conservative publishers book. We
love the book, but we need you to cut the
trans chapter. And that was even in the conservative world,
you weren't allowed to say that this was having serious,
serious damage on these kids, that it wasn't a joke,
that it was a real thing that was happening, that
(24:38):
kids were having body parts cut off. And of course
the left goes through that thing that they do where
it's not happening, but also if it is happening, it's
a good thing, and that's where they are right now.
They're in a situation where they've pushed for this, they
allowed this to go on, and now they have to
say that it's a good thing that they've cut off
the breasts of healthy teenage girls to help them pretend
(24:59):
that they're boys. But we all know that it's not.
And I think that this kind of court case, winning
this kind of court case really goes a long way
to showing who's on the right side.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know, I have in my forthcoming book, Carol, which
I will say Carol has been a very important source
of encouragement in my bookwriting process, manufacturing Delusion, and there's
a whole chapter on mentiicide, which is what a psychiatrist
and an army psychiatrist in the Second World War who
actually dealt with a lot of ss Nazi prisoners.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
He was Dutch.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
He came up with this term of menticide merlu and
it's the destruction of the brain. And one of the
key things is to get people to affirm really obvious
and grotesque lives like that's that's a central part of
this and this was obviously true in the Soviet Union
as well. To me, there has been and this is
(25:59):
why I talk about the trend stuff in the chapter
on mental side in the book, there has been a
transgender agenda that is menticidle with respect to how they
insist that people say the most insane things or they
will go crazy and sometimes even become very violent.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
As we know, right, you have to say it the words,
and you have to say them in the right way,
and you need to parrot the line that left feeding
you where you also had to center our book because
it's a sign of satalitarianism. It's what talitarian societies do.
They push one note, one voice that you must speak
with and when somebody doesn't, when the JK Rowlings of
(26:38):
the world step out of line, they're shunned in such
a really nasty, horrible way that they're really taken out
of their own society. It's a really terrible situation. And
the fact is that we're getting to the point where
we could see who was right and who was wrong.
And that's really what we want to be hoping for here,
(26:59):
that this kind of thing comes to an end, that
children aren't mutilated anymore, that this kind of thing isn't
pushed in our schools, that we come to believe that
you cannot change your birth sex, that you can dress
up as however you want, you can call yourself whatever
you want. But ten thousand years from now and somebody
digs up your bones, they're going to know what the
DNA said, and that's going to be that you were
either a boy or you were a girl, and that
(27:20):
is the end of the story. And there's no compassion
in lying to children that they could change that in
any way, and having them try to change that is
just has been a grotesque experiment, and I hope it
ends well.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I think that that's such a critical point. They have
used the idea of kindness, They have used the ideas
of kindness and courtesy as a weapon against those of
us who wanted to protect children.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's just us.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Just be nice, use the pronouns they want, Just be nice,
encourage them in this belief.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Just be nice.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Give them the hormones or and now this is for
the parents particularly, you know, take them to the doctor
that'll give them the hormones, that'll bind their chest.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
To do these things.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
It's actual cruelty. They offer cruelty and call it kindness,
and I think that is central to the whole trans
experiment absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
And they tell the parents, if you don't do this,
your kid will kill themselves. And that's really just one
of the things that parents. You know, they'll do anything
for their kids, right, and if they're told like would
you rather have a live girl or a live daughter
or a dead son, obviously every parent would want their
child alive. But it's they've kind of cornered parents into
(28:37):
this where they had to accept a ridiculous reality that
was never going to be in order to say, oh,
this is how your child survives. And they really put
parents through the wringer.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I'm glad that there's this lawsuit that happened, though, because
I have been concerned all along. Carol and this is
going to speak right right to you on this issue,
that it would be a little bit like the aftermath
of COVID, when somehow no doctors, no hospitals, no health
policy people, no one in the government, No one just lied,
(29:08):
No one abused us for power, nobody was responsible, even
though we know that's all a lie itself. Yeah, in
this case, because of the legal system we have and
towart law, I do think people individuals can be held responsible.
I don't think they're just going to be able to
do the Yeah, so what if we told you unit
a vaccine passport and that was insane and totally useless.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Right, You're right. Usually people are not held accountable for
terrible things that they do to society. But this is
hopefully going to be the change in that. And again,
this is so far beyond the pale. Not that I
didn't think that the COVID regulations and things that they
did to us were also horrible. I did, But you know,
the cutting off of healthy body parts, I think is
(29:52):
just something that we need to again the line in
the sand that we have to say that this is
just something that we cannot societally accept and the fact
that this is the very first win of a court
case like this that went to trial. I hope the
floodgates open after this, and I hope there are many
many more.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Do you think that have you ever talked to a
parent that seemed otherwise to be relatively like normal and
with it, who was a big believer in this trans
ideology stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
In No, But what I was going to say is
a lot of people think that parents who have kids
who declare themselves trans are you know, uniformly leftists, uniformly crazy.
I knew a family in New York who had a
child who said that they were the opposite gender, and
they had I mean, they were this very normal family
(30:46):
who you would never They definitely weren't encouraging their kids
to do anything crazy, they definitely weren't on board with
any of this. But they literally had to move, They
had to leave the state because their child's school was saying,
you have to affirm this for your child. This is
elementary school. This is while my kids were in elementary school.
And the fact that the school was pressuring them to
(31:08):
affirm their child. There's so many normal families that get
caught up in this. I think a lot of conservatives
just think it's like blue haired nose ring families that
this happens to. This happens in a lot of places,
and a lot of people are susceptible to it, and
you have to protect your kids.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Who wants this stuff right?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Well, I know that we could throw out some things
we see these crazy activists, but it's fascinating to me
that whenever you push on any individual politician on this,
they start speaking around, They pull a Gavenus and they
start speaking around the issue, They speaking platitudes.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
They've used so much power to force this on us,
and yet no person who can be held accountable will
actually stand forth and subject themselves to debate an argument
on this subject.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
Yeah, I really do think it's a leftist destruction of
the family when you have your kids be broken down
in this manner where they don't know what gender is
anymore and they can't be sure that such a thing exists.
But it's only a boy and a girl and that's it.
I think that it really does target the traditional family,
and it's a larger picture. It targets the country. It's
(32:17):
an anti American measure. It makes everybody a little crazy,
and I know it sounds like why would they do
this or who would do this? But look at the
activists on the streets right now. Their cause of the
day doesn't matter. Every cause is basically the same people
out in the streets, and the point is to bring
down the country. And I know that that sounds lofty
and like while you know that that can't be what
(32:39):
they're really thinking. But all of these steps, all of
these breakdown of institutions, of familial binds, all of this
is the same thing. It takes its roots in places
like communist Russia, where you know I'm from where they
did the exact same thing, where your family is not
your family, you're not They're not supposed to matter to
you more than the random person on the street, and
(33:00):
the country comes above all and you're not allowed to
have religion and all of this it's all one leftist
push to change the way our country is and we
can't let them have it.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Totally agree with you, great piece of the New York Post. Guys,
go check out Carol's show.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
She does a great job The Carol mark Wood Show
and also normally which she does with Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
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Speaker 6 (35:37):
I want this on the record officially. I called this
out months ago. Buck's shape shifting opinion about Taylor Swift.
Don't ever doubt us OG listeners to Buck Sexton, the
Shields High crowd, we will give you the scoop. And
if you go into Moose cuts, Tom Pam sensha since
(35:58):
seemingly I am the only listener in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I know, that's all.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
We got a lot of Alaska listeners actually, but I'm
getting called out by OG original Saturday squad here. Go
back away with guys. I told you single Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
A little more open to Taylor Swift than married Buck.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And you know, I think we can all understand, all right,
this is a different world I'm living in now. That's
all I can say. That's the only defense I can
offer up here. But a lot of you calling in
to say that I used to be a big T
Swift fan. I was a medium. I was a medium
te Swift fan. Thank you as always for being here
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See you then
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
(00:04):
of you hanging out with us. We roll into the
third hour of the program. We're going to be joined
by the Lieutenant Governor Georgia bur Jones here in a
sec But let me set the table for several different
things that have happened during the course of the program.
Day four, search for Nancy Guthrie. Still no major news
about where she might be as that continues. That is
(00:27):
the mom of Savannah Guthrie. She went missing in Arizona
one eight hundred call FBI is the tip line there
for any of you in Arizona or anywhere else that
may be able to help with the mystery of what
has transpired with her. Breaking news reports from various different sites.
Friday's nuclear talks between the US and Iran have been canceled,
(00:51):
and so the odds of I would imagine strikes from
the United States on Iran have as a result grown.
The second would be Trump assassin Ryan Routh has been
sentenced to life in prisons. As that is going on,
and the American Society of Plastic Surgeons and the American
(01:13):
Medical Association, we'll talk with Carol Markowitz at the bottom
of the hour about this have both said that trans
surgeries on young people should not be occurring. That comes
in the wake of a two million dollar verdict in
New York and buck big story out of Washington, d C.
In media, Jeff Bezos finally you were at Blue Origin,
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which is the space company of Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
On Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Jeff Bezos is finally fed up with the Washington Post,
which he purchased for two hundred and fifty million dollars
back in twenty thirteen. He now is saying, basically, I'm
done with what the Post has become. They are firing
one third of all of the employees at the Washington Post.
They became a subscription newspaper. They were virulently anti Trump
(02:02):
in term one. The Post refused to endorse in the
election of twenty twenty four. Subscribers revolted because there's a
far left wing news organization, and so everyone out there
who was a subscriber, many of them cut. Bezos finally said,
(02:24):
I'm tired of losing tens of millions of dollars. It's
a big story there that I think maybe we could
talk about a little bit. Thursday, Friday as the weekend
rolls on. But we are joined now by the Lieutenant
Governor of Georgia, Burt Jones, and it is National Girls
and Women's Sports Day, and in the state of Georgia,
(02:45):
there is a big Senate race coming up, and I'll
start with this question for you, Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones.
John Asoff, who is running for Senate reelection in Georgia,
be a big decision in twenty twenty six for the
people of Georgia. He actually thinks men should be able
to compete in women's sports. I can't imagine that is
(03:05):
something that the vast majority of Georgians agree with, particularly
the dad's out there.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
No and Clay and Buck. I appreciate y'all having me
on today. And it's really hard to believe that a
senator from Georgia, you know, has voted three different times
to allow boys and the girls' sports. And you know,
he's always trying to play the middle of the road democrat,
but he kind of shows his true colors when when
(03:31):
he when he does that on three different occasions. So
obviously we've got to come up with a nominee run
against him. We've got several guys who are running for
that I think would make good candidates and and uh
and so hopefully when when that winter emerges, we'll we'll
all get behind him and uh see if we can't
knock him off, because uh, it's it's embarrassing when I
(03:54):
have to go to the Alabama Senators when I need
something in d C, you know, because uh, ours are
not very helpful. And that's that's that's not the way
it should be.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So you've got a big election coming up. Obviously, the
governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, has been very popular. You
are the Lieutenant governor, and you're launching something that I
think is important. Girl Dads for Bert statewide coalition of
dads standing up for fair and its safety opportunity in
girl sports today again National Girls and Women in Sports.
Riley Gaines, who works with me at OutKick, has been
(04:27):
tremendous on speaking out on this issue. For dads who
want to sign up, and there are a ton of
them out there listening right now that are fed up
about this issue. What would you tell them to do?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well? And tell them to go to girl Dads for
Bird dot com. Girl Dads for Bird dot Com and
this is something that look, we pushed two years ago
and Riley Gaines helped us with this effort. We honestly
before the federal Act was put in place, we push
and got it done in the state of Georgia and
not allowing boys and girls sports and as a as
(04:58):
a father of a teenage honor who's a good athlete,
uh and lights to compete in a lot of different sports. Uh,
you know, it was it was a no brainer for
me and a lot of guys that that I played
with in college that have daughters themselves. They are involved
with us and it's just helping us spread the word
because it is National Women's Sports Day. You wonder where
(05:19):
all the title nine women were that fought for to
put women on equal playing field as far as scholarships,
who can turns Uh, it's concerned at the collegiate level.
They they were, they were nowhere to be found when
it was time to try to save girls' sports from
a biologically male athletes. So uh, but so we're celebrating
(05:40):
that and we thought it'd be in this campaign for governor.
You know, it's a it's a long haul, so you
do have to come up some different things every once
in a while, and this was something we felt passionate
about and we were glad to have so many people
participate and help us. Riley Gaines being one Hall of
Fame football NFL star Champ Bailey is on board helping
(06:01):
us with it, and obviously, yeah, go to girls, girl
dads frobird dot com and I would love to have
you engaged and involved in the campaign and then this
effort as well.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Why do you think the state of Georgia has elected
Republicans to statewide office by and large that are in
state government, but has now three consecutive cycles elected senators
who are Democrats and don't really represent the state of Georgia,
particularly on this issue, which is just a cultural flashpoint
very well at all. And can that change in twenty six.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, I think you can definitely change. Obviously, the last
election cycle, you know, the president, President Trump, who's endorsing
me for governor, won Georgia by a pretty good margin.
And then if you look at some of the other
races back in twenty two where all statewide constitutional officers
(06:58):
one Republicans one on the state wide elections, with the
exception of herschel Walker when he was running for US Senate.
So it definitely is still a red, red state, and
I think has gotten redder as the Democrats has gotten
further and further away from just middle the road politics.
It just seemingly have just gone so far left, that is,
(07:21):
it's a very different looking Democratic Party than it was
just ten years ago here in the state of Georgia.
So I do think that we'll have an opportunity. I
think Look, I think those those elections were just although
they had it was a perfect storm with a couple
of those things. How you ended up with Warren Onck
and ofs Off and and we're going to try to
prevent that from happening this cycle. We've worked a lot
(07:42):
on election integrity, We've worked a lot on grassroots efforts,
and our state Republican Party has gotten a lot stronger
and more organized than probably what we were four or
five years ago.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I'm assuming a Lieutenant Governorance Box, thanks for being here,
that it will come up quite a bit this election.
That as Off back in March of last year joined
Senate Democrats and blocking the Protection of Women and Girls
in Sports Act and his when when I was looking
this up, I was like, what is his rationale for
(08:14):
this or how does he and and he has people
out there, his spokespersons are saying it's extremely intrusive for
the federal government to confirm or sorry, American parents don't
need federal government confirming children's genitalia quote end quote.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That was what he said.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
This is crazy, this is like, this is this is
not rational stuff from this senator.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No, no, not at all. And you know, especially with
one of the people he's running against actually passed the
Riley Gaines Act at the federal level, Congressman Mike Collins,
who's running for US Senate. Uh, he passed the bill
that has gotten so much fan there here locally, and
he's potentially as his opponent, you know, in the November election.
(09:01):
So look, I can't make sense. There's a lot of
things that that the Senator says. So I don't need
to try to try to get in his head because
obviously he's just to make a statement like that is
just preposterous. And so anyways, I just you know, that's
all the more reasons why we gotta we got to
have a strong gubernatorial nominee like myself, a strong Senate
(09:26):
candidate where we can have a big coalition to make
sure that that we flip that that feedback into the
red column.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, thank you for the time, Lieutenant Governor. For anybody
out there that wants to help in the campaign, what
would you tell him to do.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I would tell him to go to Burt Jones FORGA
dot com, Burt Jones FORGA dot com, and of course
that you go to all our different platforms on social media.
But you got to our website and we'd love to
have volunteers. We love to have any kind of engagement
that you'd like to participate in, we'd love to have you.
It's a very important race. George is a very important state,
and that there's the reason why President Trump endorsed me
(10:03):
for this governor's race very early on, because he knows
how important Georgia is, not just not just for our
politics here locally, but on the national stage as well.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
No doubt that's Bert Jones running for governor in the
state of Georgia going to be one of the top
battle grounds in twenty twenty six. Lieutenant Governor, Now, thank you, sir.
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Speaker 2 (11:43):
I bring this up.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Because scurleiss accusation now being leveled about my changing opinion
on Taylor Swift. Podcast listener Justin wants to weigh in on.
He says he used to listen to me solo and
I was singing a different tune, so to speak. This
is this is talkback age hit. It does everyone remember
when Buck had his own show, and he had quite
(12:06):
a bit of praise for Taylor Swift, going so far
as to call her t Swift.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Wow, whoa w wow, whoaow hold lot of second, hold,
lot of side. Go to the tape.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I mean, we could probably find this stuff if to
remember solo show, Buck was a single man, and and
and my, uh.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So you were willing to lie about your your opinions
of Taylor Swift to curry favor with.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Single No, I I was.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I was impressed with her, her talent, and I thought
she was somewhat good looking at the time. Now, of course,
I'm a happily married man. I don't even consider such things.
But at the time I was willing to say, perhaps
that she was hot and and.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That you know is as a single guy. That's uh,
you know, that's just the way things are at the time.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And and you know, there and that I was impressed
with also her many fans, some of whom were women
in my you know, general age category to the stand
who I did not wish to upset as a single
man out on the scene at the time by trashing.
So I didn't want the te swifters to left swipe
(13:17):
on me just because I had said mean things about
her music.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So am I playing a little bit of both sides
on this one. Yeah, but we're talking about single men
versus married man. It's very very different, very different.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Maybe we need to get Tommy Larin on the show
because she hopped in the mentions on Instagram, signed off
on my Taylor Swift take and said she's going to
be bigger than the Beatles. Ali, let's get Tommy booked
because she has great taste when it comes to arguments.
And let's see Elaine in bell Air, Florida. Elaine, what
you got for us?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
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Speaker 7 (13:52):
Hey, I am embarrassed to say I'm not real great
up to speed on my social media. Clay, did you
shave your beard?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Beard? To thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You did you know yesterday?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Buck?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
This is talking about unfortunate occurrences. So I'm oftentimes I
don't get a haircut as often as I should. As
many people out there are probably noticed, I'm not the
best at at making myself look the best. So I
had time at the hotel to get a haircut. They
have a hair salon in the hotel, so I stopped
got the haircut, and as I was getting the haircut,
(14:26):
the woman giving me the haircut said, what's the deal
with your mustache? And I said, well, you know, I
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(14:48):
and you can just claim that your Russian hairdresser misunderstood
when you asked me to trim it, and you thought
that I was going to take it off. But I'll
have you know, Buck, because I'm honest, because I'm forthright,
because I don't uh, I don't tiptoe up and try
to dodge Bets. I told her no, you can just
trim it up, make it look better. And she said, okay,
but again I'm Russian, and I can just claim that
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I didn't understand you well. And if you can use
that as an excuse, I.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Feel like your Russian hairdresser could also get you a
stinger missile if you needed it.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Sounds like it's probably true. She was definitely, I wondered.
I was like, is this Uh? Is this the KGB
after me? But she gave me a great haircut, so
I think I'm in good shape.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I like, by the way, you know, there's a certain
boldness that Clay exhibits on this front where he will
just walk around and he'll get his haircut anywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I mean Clay, there's he'll go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Like you know, he's in South Florida where everyone here
has like the fade and it's shaved along the sides.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And then they did it to me once looked not good. Uh.
Clay will go in anywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
You know, he could be He could be walking around Fairbanks, Alaska,
and he's like, oh, look at that Moose Cuts.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Let's go into Moose Cuts. And it's true.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I go in and they say like, what do you want?
And inevitably I say, well, I just want, you know,
a decent haircut. I trust you to make me look,
you know, decent, whether it's Supercuts, whether it's the hotel,
whether it's Miami like random barber shop as I'm walking
along the street, and I think the end result here
was positive.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
But did you try to cut your own hair during COVID?
Did you ever try to cut your own hair? I
lived in Tennessee. Nothing shut down.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh that's right, damn it. I had in New York,
we had. I live in Franklin, Tennessee. My gem was
opened by May of twenty twenty, like they'd never the
We basically didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Just rubbing it in. Now he's just he's just rubbing it.
I just didn't do it my hair. I started to
look like Tom hanksen Castaway with the hair. But then
the rest of me was just getting really fat instead
of getting really skinny. So if you imagine Tom Hanks castaway,
but if he was just eating delivery pad tie and
like lots and lots of Reese's pieces, that was kind
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of my vibe during Doc.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Dances by Yourself in your Apartment while claiming that you
like Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's all a single girls you were dma oh, I'm
big t Swift Man. I love I love the new album.
It's very it's powerful. She didn't look I mean, you know,
she's got generation. This is like, this is.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
A little bit like my Natalie Portman, which, by the way,
most people agreed with me on. It's not that she's
I'm not saying she's ugly. I'm not a lunatic, I'm
not blind. But she's just not that pretty. She's just
not that pretty. Not only I mean, sorry Taylor Swift. Yes,
she has captured a generation, but I do not think
she will be a multi generational phenomenon the way that
(17:32):
certain other musical acts, like, for example, the Beatles have been.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That's just my that's my take. And and also her
boy you know. And and now I'm married and she's
married or no, she's not married. She's about to get married, right. Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
She get married to Travis Kelcey at the super Bowl,
which is where not at the super Bowl, but he's
been at the Super Bowl a lot. I am leaving
right now to go to San Francisco. You're gonna close
up shop. I gotta get to lax and somehow fly
on my Southwest flight up to San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
We're gonna take that mustache away, right. Don't let anyone play,
Just let me through security.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
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Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Welcome back in here too, Play and Buck right now,
just Buck has glad to run because it's going to
the super Bowl. But don't worry, I'm going to hold
the four down with the assistance, of course, of the
one and only Carol Markowitz of the klan Buck Podcast Network.
She does a great show. She also teams up with
Mary Catherine Hamper. Normally this is on the klaan Buck
Podcast Network. You guys will love the show, especially for
(19:19):
the moms out there. Carol is the mommy podcaster extraordinaire. Carol, Welcome,
Welcome back.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
To the program. Thanks so much for having me. I
can't believe I'm not going to get a chance to
make fun of Clay's mustache.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I know you're gonna have to come back. Hopefully he's
not gonna wimp out and grow the rest of his
facial airback because the mustache is it's like Clay stepped
in a time machine and we have nineteen seventy five
Clay right now. It's pretty pretty awesome. But your piece,
your piece got my attention, as it always does. New
York Post. Here to end, transgender madness. Make the ghouls
(19:56):
who push these surgeries pay the price. We talked about
this in the opening the show. Adolescens get shued bigly.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I agree, yeah, and I think that this is the
only way to really end this insanity. People forget that
for so many years, not only was this all pushed
on the rest of us as the normal thing to do. Sure,
cut off the breast of a healthy teenage girl to
make her pretend that she's a boy. That was something
that not only was the medical profession telling Americans was
(20:30):
the right thing to do. But if you dare to
disagree with this in any way, you were a bigot,
You were anti trans you were a terrible person who
wanted to see dead kids. So this wind draws the
line in the sand and says no more of this.
And in my column I highlight how many kids you
know had this kind of surgery. The HHS puts the
(20:51):
number at around thirty seven hundreds thirty seven hundred American
adolescents in just four years. So it's a really crazy
large amount of numbers of kids who went through this
serious surgery. But then there's so many more kids who
did things like breastbinding or took hormones and have their
lives ruined forever, and the people who did this to
(21:12):
them should be made to pay.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know, I just had a conversation yesterday actually with
a Floridian who I was talking to him and he
does some house flipping and remodeling and stuff like that,
and I said, you know, why do you move down here?
And he said, honestly, the breaking point was at my school,
you know, my kids school. Rather they started pushing the
tran stuff and he was in I think fifth or
(21:35):
sixth grade or something, and he's like, I just had
to I had to just say enough is enough, and
I moved down here to Florida, where, of course they
don't do that stuff in the schools, thank you, Governor DeSantis.
But even like Megan Kelly, Megan Kelly pulled and she's
been very open about this. She talked about on her show.
She pulled her son from a school that was like
the rival school to the one I went to in
(21:55):
New York. So kind of hit get close to home
because they were doing like trans you know, coming out
day stuff for kids in primary school.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Yeah, what's really crazy is how prevalent it became in
places like New York City, and it was very much
a geographical question, like depending on where you were, it
mattered for whether this kind of thing was going to
hit your kids or not. My daughter we moved when
she was in the middle of sixth grade. We moved
from New York to Florida, and she would have In
(22:27):
New York, she had i would say, close to a
dozen friends who in some way called themselves trends. Maybe
they said they were non binary, which was kind of
the easier way out, or they declared themselves the opposite
gender from what they were. When she got to Florida,
there were none. Zero. She has not encountered this at all,
and that really goes to show something was it was
(22:48):
a nationwide social contagion, but it really only caught on
in certain areas. You know. There was this kind of
jokey line about it at the time, in like twenty twenty,
but it was like, there's no trans kids in the hood,
and that was the thing. It wasn't happening everywhere. It
was happening in these spar left enclaves that allowed this
to happen, and then it was seeping into red areas also.
(23:09):
But a lot of times parents in those areas were
putting a stop to it, Carol.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
One thing that you also detail in your New York
post piece. And I think it's just so important that
people know about this, and it's it goes to how
disgraceful all this stuff was, and it is these procedures
that they put sometimes kids through. And I even I
actually think this stuff should be illegal for adults as well,
(23:37):
because I think it's these are not medical procedures. That's
a whole that's a whole other conversation. We're talking now
about non adults. We're talking about minors, and some of
these procedures, even things like chest binding, which you get
into here, is can deform these young girls and give
them a lifelong pain.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Yeah. Yeah. And what was so crazy about and that
era where we were all made to say that we
would support this kind of insanity, was that it really
did grip so many different kinds of people. You know,
when Bethany Mendel and I wrote our book Stolen News,
it was published in twenty twenty three, so we were
writing it in like twenty one twenty two. We had
(24:18):
when we were talking to conservative publishers. They were saying
to us, we love the book Conservative publishers book. We
love the book, but we need you to cut the
trans chapter. And that was even in the conservative world,
you weren't allowed to say that this was having serious,
serious damage on these kids, that it wasn't a joke,
that it was a real thing that was happening, that
(24:38):
kids were having body parts cut off. And of course
the left goes through that thing that they do where
it's not happening, but also if it is happening, it's
a good thing, and that's where they are right now.
They're in a situation where they've pushed for this, they
allowed this to go on, and now they have to
say that it's a good thing that they've cut off
the breasts of healthy teenage girls to help them pretend
(24:59):
that they're boys. But we all know that it's not.
And I think that this kind of court case, winning
this kind of court case really goes a long way
to showing who's on the right side.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know, I have in my forthcoming book, Carol, which
I will say Carol has been a very important source
of encouragement in my bookwriting process, manufacturing Delusion, and there's
a whole chapter on mentiicide, which is what a psychiatrist
and an army psychiatrist in the Second World War who
actually dealt with a lot of ss Nazi prisoners.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
He was Dutch.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
He came up with this term of menticide merlu and
it's the destruction of the brain. And one of the
key things is to get people to affirm really obvious
and grotesque lives like that's that's a central part of
this and this was obviously true in the Soviet Union
as well. To me, there has been and this is
(25:59):
why I talk about the trend stuff in the chapter
on mental side in the book, there has been a
transgender agenda that is menticidle with respect to how they
insist that people say the most insane things or they
will go crazy and sometimes even become very violent.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
As we know, right, you have to say it the words,
and you have to say them in the right way,
and you need to parrot the line that left feeding
you where you also had to center our book because
it's a sign of satalitarianism. It's what talitarian societies do.
They push one note, one voice that you must speak
with and when somebody doesn't, when the JK Rowlings of
(26:38):
the world step out of line, they're shunned in such
a really nasty, horrible way that they're really taken out
of their own society. It's a really terrible situation. And
the fact is that we're getting to the point where
we could see who was right and who was wrong.
And that's really what we want to be hoping for here,
(26:59):
that this kind of thing comes to an end, that
children aren't mutilated anymore, that this kind of thing isn't
pushed in our schools, that we come to believe that
you cannot change your birth sex, that you can dress
up as however you want, you can call yourself whatever
you want. But ten thousand years from now and somebody
digs up your bones, they're going to know what the
DNA said, and that's going to be that you were
either a boy or you were a girl, and that
(27:20):
is the end of the story. And there's no compassion
in lying to children that they could change that in
any way, and having them try to change that is
just has been a grotesque experiment, and I hope it
ends well.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I think that that's such a critical point. They have
used the idea of kindness, They have used the ideas
of kindness and courtesy as a weapon against those of
us who wanted to protect children.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's just us.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Just be nice, use the pronouns they want, Just be nice,
encourage them in this belief.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Just be nice.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Give them the hormones or and now this is for
the parents particularly, you know, take them to the doctor
that'll give them the hormones, that'll bind their chest.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
To do these things.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
It's actual cruelty. They offer cruelty and call it kindness,
and I think that is central to the whole trans
experiment absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
And they tell the parents, if you don't do this,
your kid will kill themselves. And that's really just one
of the things that parents. You know, they'll do anything
for their kids, right, and if they're told like would
you rather have a live girl or a live daughter
or a dead son, obviously every parent would want their
child alive. But it's they've kind of cornered parents into
(28:37):
this where they had to accept a ridiculous reality that
was never going to be in order to say, oh,
this is how your child survives. And they really put
parents through the wringer.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I'm glad that there's this lawsuit that happened, though, because
I have been concerned all along. Carol and this is
going to speak right right to you on this issue,
that it would be a little bit like the aftermath
of COVID, when somehow no doctors, no hospitals, no health
policy people, no one in the government, No one just lied,
(29:08):
No one abused us for power, nobody was responsible, even
though we know that's all a lie itself. Yeah, in
this case, because of the legal system we have and
towart law, I do think people individuals can be held responsible.
I don't think they're just going to be able to
do the Yeah, so what if we told you unit
a vaccine passport and that was insane and totally useless.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Right, You're right. Usually people are not held accountable for
terrible things that they do to society. But this is
hopefully going to be the change in that. And again,
this is so far beyond the pale. Not that I
didn't think that the COVID regulations and things that they
did to us were also horrible. I did, But you know,
the cutting off of healthy body parts, I think is
(29:52):
just something that we need to again the line in
the sand that we have to say that this is
just something that we cannot societally accept and the fact
that this is the very first win of a court
case like this that went to trial. I hope the
floodgates open after this, and I hope there are many
many more.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Do you think that have you ever talked to a
parent that seemed otherwise to be relatively like normal and
with it, who was a big believer in this trans
ideology stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
In No, But what I was going to say is
a lot of people think that parents who have kids
who declare themselves trans are you know, uniformly leftists, uniformly crazy.
I knew a family in New York who had a
child who said that they were the opposite gender, and
they had I mean, they were this very normal family
(30:46):
who you would never They definitely weren't encouraging their kids
to do anything crazy, they definitely weren't on board with
any of this. But they literally had to move, They
had to leave the state because their child's school was saying,
you have to affirm this for your child. This is
elementary school. This is while my kids were in elementary school.
And the fact that the school was pressuring them to
(31:08):
affirm their child. There's so many normal families that get
caught up in this. I think a lot of conservatives
just think it's like blue haired nose ring families that
this happens to. This happens in a lot of places,
and a lot of people are susceptible to it, and
you have to protect your kids.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Who wants this stuff right?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Well, I know that we could throw out some things
we see these crazy activists, but it's fascinating to me
that whenever you push on any individual politician on this,
they start speaking around, They pull a Gavenus and they
start speaking around the issue, They speaking platitudes.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
They've used so much power to force this on us,
and yet no person who can be held accountable will
actually stand forth and subject themselves to debate an argument
on this subject.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
Yeah, I really do think it's a leftist destruction of
the family when you have your kids be broken down
in this manner where they don't know what gender is
anymore and they can't be sure that such a thing exists.
But it's only a boy and a girl and that's it.
I think that it really does target the traditional family,
and it's a larger picture. It targets the country. It's
(32:17):
an anti American measure. It makes everybody a little crazy,
and I know it sounds like why would they do
this or who would do this? But look at the
activists on the streets right now. Their cause of the
day doesn't matter. Every cause is basically the same people
out in the streets, and the point is to bring
down the country. And I know that that sounds lofty
and like while you know that that can't be what
(32:39):
they're really thinking. But all of these steps, all of
these breakdown of institutions, of familial binds, all of this
is the same thing. It takes its roots in places
like communist Russia, where you know I'm from where they
did the exact same thing, where your family is not
your family, you're not They're not supposed to matter to
you more than the random person on the street, and
(33:00):
the country comes above all and you're not allowed to
have religion and all of this it's all one leftist
push to change the way our country is and we
can't let them have it.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Totally agree with you, great piece of the New York Post. Guys,
go check out Carol's show.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
She does a great job The Carol mark Wood Show
and also normally which she does with Mary Catherine Ham.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Carol, my friend, thank you soon, Thank you soon. Energy
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Speaker 2 (34:58):
Ah, we are closing up today on Clay and Buck.
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hear it today.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
I want this on the record officially. I called this
out months ago. Buck's shape shifting opinion about Taylor Swift.
Don't ever doubt us OG listeners to Buck Sexton, the
Shields High crowd, we will give you the scoop. And
if you go into Moose cuts, Tom Pam sensha since
(35:58):
seemingly I am the only listener in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I know, that's all.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
We got a lot of Alaska listeners actually, but I'm
getting called out by OG original Saturday squad here. Go
back away with guys. I told you single Buck.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
A little more open to Taylor Swift than married Buck.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And you know, I think we can all understand, all right,
this is a different world I'm living in now. That's
all I can say. That's the only defense I can
offer up here. But a lot of you calling in
to say that I used to be a big T
Swift fan. I was a medium. I was a medium
te Swift fan. Thank you as always for being here
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