April 13, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show centers on a wide‑ranging and in‑depth interview with Republican California gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton, followed by caller reaction and continued analysis of the escalating U.S.–Iran showdown. The hour opens with Hilton reacting to the sudden collapse of Eric Swalwell’s campaign, describing the allegations against Swalwell as a longtime “open secret” in Sacramento and Washington that was ignored until it threatened Democratic power. Hilton argues the timing of Swalwell’s downfall reflects the corruption and arrogance of one‑party rule in California, where Democrats routinely preach ethics while protecting insiders until political risk outweighs loyalty. He tells Clay and Buck that the scandal reinforces voter hunger for what he calls “regime change” in California politics.
Hilton further addresses speculation that billionaire Tom Steyer orchestrated the exposure of Swalwell, noting widespread chatter—from Democratic insiders and reporters—that Steyer’s unlimited spending and desire to dominate the race triggered a “code red.” He explains how Swalwell’s exit reshapes California’s unusual jungle primary system, reinforcing Hilton’s argument that Republicans must consolidate around a single candidate to ensure at least one GOP contender reaches the top two. Hilton highlights his growing polling lead, recent momentum following President Trump’s endorsement, and warns that a Democrat consolidation behind Steyer or Katie Porter could shut Republicans out if the vote splinters.
The conversation broadens into how Iran policy is resonating with California voters, particularly among the large Iranian‑American community concentrated in Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Hilton says those voters are overwhelmingly supportive of President Trump’s hardline stance against the Iranian regime, viewing it as long‑overdue accountability. Clay and Buck note the symbolic overlap between confronting Tehran and demanding accountability from entrenched political elites in California, reinforcing Hilton’s framing of local and global “regime change” as parallel themes.
Hilton then outlines the pathway to a Republican victory in California, emphasizing turnout rather than persuasion. He argues that Republican votes alone could win the governorship if turnout approaches presidential‑year levels, aided by ballot initiatives such as voter ID and protections for Proposition 13. Beyond the base, Hilton pitches his “Califordable” agenda—lower gas prices, reduced energy bills, tax relief, affordable housing, and ending taxpayer‑funded benefits for illegal immigrants—as a cross‑party appeal to cost‑of‑living voters fed up with Democratic governance.
Later in Hour 3, the focus shifts back to governance failures in Los Angeles, particularly the stalled rebuilding of the Palisades fire zone. Hilton criticizes state and local officials for using the disaster to push ideological housing schemes rather than issuing permits and rebuilding neighborhoods, fueling resentment among longtime Democratic donors now backing change. He also highlights growing outrage over fraud and misuse of taxpayer money, predicting another taxpayer revolt similar to the one that produced Proposition 13 in the 1970s.
The final segments pivot to audience calls and talkbacks, returning to the Iran conflict. Listeners and the hosts debate whether Iran’s uranium stockpile can realistically be seized and whether President Trump’s “either they give it up or we take it” posture signals a coming special operations mission. Buck and Clay discuss Iran’s leadership incentives, agreeing that voluntary surrender of nuclear material is nearly impossible due to internal regime survival. They note that oil prices and stock markets remain calm, suggesting investors anticipate a contained resolution rather than full‑scale war.
Additional listener calls analyze Iranian leadership psychology, arguing regime figures are not “crazy” but cornered, ruthless, and rational within their own value system—dragging out conflict because defeat likely means death at home. The hour closes with reflection on elites, media narratives, and crisis politics—from COVID to Katrina—drawing parallels between manufactured outrage and real accountability.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The third hour of playing, Buck kicks off with the
one and only Steve Hilton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
He is running as a Republican for governor of the
beautiful state, the poorly governed but beautiful state of California,
and Steve Hilton is with us now. Steve, busy times,
my friend, thank you for coming here. We have been
early Steve Hilton adopters, you could say, in this whole process,
been having you on now from the very beginning, to
(00:28):
get the word out to our very large audience of
Californians who are behind liberal lines there and listening in
to what's going on here on Clay and Buck. Let's
start with we got to just start with this, the
swallwall situation. Was this a surprise to you when it hit?
And why do you think it hit?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, thanks, guys. I mean, the timing was definitely a surprise,
but the fact of it was not at all a surprise.
This has been an open secret for as long as
certainly for me, I've known this. People talk about it,
including Democrats in Sacramento, for as long as he's been
in the race, probably long. It's an open secret on
Capitol Hill, certainly in Sacramento. And it just shows you
(01:10):
the fact that despite that, he got the endorsement of
the Big Unit, the teacher unions, the SEIU, Adam Schiff,
all these Nancy Pelosi acolytes. It just shows you how corrupt, cynical,
and arrogant these people are. These career politicians who just
think they can get away with anything. It doesn't matter
what they say or do, There'll be no consequences. It's
the kind of arrogance you get from sixteen years of
(01:32):
one party rule in California. Honestly, all they care about
is their power. Just think about all their endless lectures
on women's rights, that war a gender equality me too,
blah blah blah. They don't believe any of it. It's
all about their power. The machine was moving behind suall well.
Actually everyone expected him to get the machine's endorsement, even
(01:53):
with all this going on. Finally it came out. I
didn't expect it. But it's very good news because it
means that when it kind of clarifies the situation somewhat.
And the thing that it really shows is that we
are so desperately in need of change in California. The
sort of collapsing of the California Democrats into chaos and
(02:14):
sleeves and scandal. It's just another really powerful indication of
why we so desperately need change.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Why did it happen? Now?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Buck and I have been discussing, debating, contemplating why at
this point he was the leader. Do you think there
was a fear that he was going to be the
nominee and that it might come out after he was
one of the two finalists. Do you think this was
Katie Porter? Do you think it was Tom Steyer? Where
did this come from?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
As you said, the rumors have been out there for
a long time about him. He even addressed them in
some of his endorsement interviews. Reports are why now?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So I don't know. But what I'm hearing very strongly,
including from people I know on the Democrats and from
reporters following the raise, is that it's Tom style. That
That's what people are saying that. Just to be clear,
I have no evidence for that, but that is what
everybody is saying, that it's Tom Styer who's got unlimited money.
(03:13):
You know, he's this billionaire climate fanatic. As we know,
he's already spent over one hundred million dollars on his
race just in the last few months with these endless
ads that are driving everyone crazy in California, you know,
has lifted him up from two or three percent to
ten or eleven percent. So it's kind of working for
him in a pathetic sort of way, you could say.
(03:34):
And he's spending money on this kind of thing as well.
Katie Porter, by the way, blames Tom Steyer for the
leaking of all those videos of her berating her staff
and so on. She thinks that's Tom Steyer, and she
thinks there's more.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Of that to come.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And so I don't know. I'm just reporting what I hear.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
This is remarkable stuff, and now we see what a
total mess. Well, we're not surprised at all that the
Democrats have been willing Democrat media, I should say, all
of it together, the whole apparatus to keep this stuff
under wraps. As you said, it has been known that
he's sketchy for a long time. I remember doing Tucker's
show on Fox years ago, and Tucker just couldn't stop
(04:13):
laughing about the Feng Fang thing. So, I mean, there's
been a lot of smoke before this fire came out.
A lot of people very much dialed in on Swalwell
being a sketchy a sketchy fellow in terms of the
other So you think it's stire because again the timing
of this, why not keep him off the ballot entirely
(04:34):
at some level in competence here among Democrats, I think
is something we shouldn't keep off the table, right, meaning
that they just this happened, they weren't paying close enough attention,
and then it came up later on. But what does
this do explain now the rest of the field. So
Swalwell was out, can you take us through the reordering?
I believe you were at the top of this whole thing,
the reordering of the candidates, and how you think this
(04:56):
shifts the race.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So remember we got this top two system, which is ridiculous.
The top two candidates go through regardless of party. For
most of this year, the top two candidates have been
me and the other Republican, and I've been leading and
my leader has been growing, but it's pretty much been
the top two a couple of times. More recently, Swolwell's
been in the top two. A lot of Republicans have
(05:20):
therefore been saying, oh, this is great, We'll have two
Republicans in the top two, and that means we're guaranteed
a change in California. I've always said that that's a fantasy,
that the Democrat machine is not just going to hand
over California. They'll spend whatever it takes to make sure
that there's a Democrat in the top two. The Union's will,
They've got tens of millions of dollars or stires. So
(05:42):
I always said, the more important thing is to make
sure there's a Republican in the top two by ensuring
that we don't split the vote and make sure that
there's one strong leading candidate. Now, for most of this year,
I've been leading, not by much, but you know, two
to three points ahead. That leader has been growing in
the last couple of weeks. So, for example, there were
(06:02):
two poles last week. One had me nineteen percent, everyone
else thirteen and below. Another one ironically from Tom's from
Eric Swolwell's backers, had Me at twenty two percent, swall
Well at eighteen, everyone else twelve thirteen percent. So the
lead and those poles were taken before the big news
last Sunday. On Easter Sunday, the President Trump had endorsed
(06:23):
me in the governor's race. That's a huge moment, and
so we can expect my lead to grow and a
consolidation to happen on our side. On the Republican side.
That's very important because what you might also see is
the Swollwell support let's call it fifteen sixteen percent. But evenly,
it's not obvious to me where that would go either
(06:46):
Tom Steyer or Katie Porter. I don't know, maybe some
of the other lower polling candidates, but in other words,
Stier and Porter you would expect to move up a bit.
And that's why it's very important we make sure that
we have one Republican and get behind me. That's been
my message for weeks, and that's even more important now
as you're going to get a consolidation on the Democrat side.
(07:08):
My expectation right now is as we move towards election day,
remember ballots go out in three weeks in California, you're
going to see a kind of top three emerging, which
is myself, Tom Steyer, and Katie Porter. And the most
important thing is we don't let that top three become
a Democrat top two.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
We're talking to Steve Hilton running for governor of California.
Ballots go out, as you just heard from him, in
just a few weeks, and the actual primary is on
June third. You're campaigning all over California. We talket We
not only have talked about Eric sallwell, but the situation
in Iran. There are more expats from with Iranian backgrounds
(07:51):
in the LA area probably than anywhere else in the country.
I'm curious, what are you hearing about Iran in California
when you're out on campaign trail.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
It's a hugely energizing factor. I mean, there's there's you know,
I don't know the exact number, but like hundreds of
thousand is over a million across the state half a million.
LA is the largest city outside Iran of rain Is.
It's a really really big community here, very powerful, very
important voice in our state and in politics. All now
one hundred percent pretty much lined up behind President Trump,
(08:24):
appreciative of what he's done, and I see it all
over I was actually last last East, last last Sunday,
before the President's endorsement. I was at a major Iranian
event for the end of New Year, Nuru's in the
Bay Area. Fantastic reception there where I made the point
that you know, I'm not in I don't know what's
going to happen in Iran, but we are certainly fighting
(08:48):
for regime change here in California making that connection, and
it's really powerful. And we've got two major events with
the Iranian community in LA just coming up in the
next couple of weeks. It's a very very big part
of the story.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What are the dominoes? Politically speaking? We're speaking to Steve
Hilton everybody. He's running for governor in California. Republicans in California,
Now is your chance to step up and try to
change things, he says, regime change in California, which is
a very good way to put it. What are the
domino Steve, that have to fall in your favor for
this to go from you at the top of the
(09:22):
pack to you winning the governor's mansion. I mean, you know,
is it some concession from the police Union, is it
independent voters in the California interior. I mean, just take
us through a little bit of what has to happen
for you to actually win this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The top of that list is a really strong Republican turnout,
because actually if you look at the numbers. I make
this point all the time, if you just try and
project the turnout in the mid in the November election
here in California, by taking an average of the last
to twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two, the total number
of votes as an estimate is eleven point seven million.
(10:00):
That's the total. So to win, you need just over
half of that, call it five point nine million. President
Trump in California in twenty twenty four got six point
one million votes. In other words, there are enough Republican
votes in California for me to win just with Republican
votes if they all turn out. Now, of course it's
(10:20):
very hard. It's not easy to get a presidential year
turnout in the midterm election. But that's the starting point.
And we've got two very very powerful things going in
our favor for that, because on the ballot this November
in California as well as all the candidates, will be
two ballot initiatives that Republicans particularly are enthusiastic about. Number
(10:42):
one is save Prop thirteen, that the taxpayer protection measure,
particularly property taxes, and the big one really is voter ID.
So whatever happens with the Save America Act in California,
we'll have the chance to vote for voter ID this November,
a real turnout driver among Republicans, so that's going to
(11:02):
be very important. But beyond that, of course, we want
to build our support beyond the Republican turnout, and I
think that my simple message, which is you know you
can capture in one word, that's what we've been doing,
taking up and down the state califfordable, making our state
califfordable with a very specific plan. Three dollar gas, cut
(11:23):
your electric bills in half, your first one hundred grand
tax free, no more free healthcare for illegal immigrants, so
we lower healthcare cost for you, a home you can
afford to buy. That goes way beyond party lines. Is
just common sense, pragmatic, positive, practical stuff, and I think
that's how we're going to win.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Do you think there will be any more funny business?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
You mentioned Tom Steyer potentially as the candidate behind coming
after Swallwell, Katie Porter has had a bunch of videos
come out.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Of her looking awful.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
He's also got the boiling water and potatoes poured on
our ex husband's head story. Not exactly a very likable person.
How much more funny business do you think is coming
in this race.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, there's a lot of expectation that Katie Porter is next,
because there really is this assumption that Tom Steyer has
been behind this and that there's plenty more to come
out on Katie Porter. So I'm sure she's you know,
stealing herself for that. We'll see what it is, whether
it's different or just more of the same that we've
seen from her. My argument is it honestly doesn't matter
(12:29):
who they send, because we're sick of these people. This
corrupt Democrat machine. On the policy front is a total disaster.
We've got the highest poverty rate, highest unemployment rate, highest
cost of living in the country. None of them offer
any kind of change from what we've had, and so
in a way it doesn't matter. But I don't know.
(12:49):
I think we're probably going to see Tom Steyer splashing
more of the cash. You know, he's already spent, as
I said, over one hundred million, is probably going to
double that in the next month or so, including some
dirty tricks on That's what I'd expect.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Can I just ask you to bring us up to
speed on something you're talking about, regime change in California,
which I love, and you're talking about making things affordable
for people, which might stop. I gotta say, I don't
know if I want that to happen in some ways,
because you're just driving up the Florida housing prices so much.
And as an honor down here now, I'm loving all
these Californians who show up.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Like I'll pay anything. I just need to escape the madness.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But to give people a sense of how this is
all actually going in your state, bring us up to
speed with the latest on the Palisades fire and the
La wildfire rebuilding situation, because I remember Gavin Newsom saying we're.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Gonna pull all that red tape aside. We're gonna make
this so easy, it's gonna be like a Swiss watch.
I'm hearing not so much, Steve. How's that going nothing?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
In fact, one of the Iranian events that we're going
to be holding in the next couple of weeks is
in the Palisades, in the ruins of a house that
hasn't been rebuilt because it's no permit. You know, it's
just unbelievable. You go, there's something, it's a little bit
the construction going on, but what's really outrageous is the
fact that they are absolutely using it to push the
(14:06):
ideological agenda of builder, of replacing a beautiful single family
neighborhood with apartment buildings, low income apartment building. That is
what they're pushing. And so there is this sense that
these people are just ideologues who absolutely don't care about delivery,
you know, just doing what the basic job of government
should be, which is get out the way, provide the
(14:28):
basics so that people can live their lives. No, they're
constantly pushing this ideological agenda. So in a way, it's
now worse than the incompetence of not issuing the permits,
and of course the incompetence that led to the fire
in the first place. It's the actual you know, exploitation
of this for an ideological agenda to change the character
of the Palisades that's got people so enraged. And I'm
(14:50):
seeing it in the events we're doing in LA There's
one this week which is it's an event that we're
doing which are mainly Democrats, including some very surprising, you know,
people who've been completely lockstep with a Democrat a supporters
and fundraisers and donors for many many years coming along
to my you know, hosting and holding events for me
in LA. There's something, there's something going on in California.
(15:13):
I really feel it more and more every week that
people are sick of what's been happening. And I think
the Suirwel thing just adds to that. They're just disgusted
by it, honestly, and oh my gosh, these people have
been in power too long time for change. It's going
to be very powerful feeling. And then but one thing
I haven't even mentioned, which is the fraud. The fraud
story is huge in California, and that's why the whole
(15:36):
you know I just had on my podcast John Coopol,
who's the president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. Some
people might remember back in nineteen seventy eight it was
called the taxpayer Revolt in California and it led to
a ballot initiative Prop thirteen that put the limit on
tax increases and property tax in particular. I feel like
we're heading for another taxpayer revolt in California as people see,
(15:59):
you know, we pay the high taxes in the country
for the worst results, and now you see where your
money's going. Stiphoned off into fraud and theft and financing
the Democrat political machine. People are really fired up and
enraged by that. That's going to be a big factor
as well.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
As always, we encourage you to get out and vote
Steve Hilton. Three weeks from now. Ballots are out June
third is the primary. We appreciate the time, keep.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Up the fight.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Great to be with you guys, see soon.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's Steve Hilton.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Clay, A lot of
interesting stuff there from Steve Hilton, the man of the
moment here stepping off in California with Swalwell being pushed aside.
We're going to get into a bunch of your calls
and talkbacks and everything else. I didn't know Tom. He
thinks it's Tom Steyer behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That was it. That was a change. I respect that either.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, So we'll take your calls, we'll take your talkback.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
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Clay and Buck. We got a lot of calls, a
lot of talkbacks, a lot of things here, Clay, who
(19:00):
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straight away? You've got the live call screen in front
of you there.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, the live score live call screen has been flawless
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Speaker 2 (19:11):
But okay, that sounds about right for live radio. Nice.
Let's do some talkbacks maybe.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Then we can if we can pull back up my
call screener so that I can type people up and
let them in.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
We do have a ton of talkbacks to Tom and
Tampa is the first call. Let's do Tom and tampas
he's waiting patiently, go ahead, Tom.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, Hey, hey, Clay, Hey, Buck, I've got two very
very important points. I wanted to just reinforce Clay's original
point about that with the uranium dust there could be
some sort of deal behind the scenes with the Iranians
where Delta goes in and tastes it, but a rank
(19:53):
and save face and the historical precedent for that, and
I'm sure Clay probably knows this, Buck, you probably do too,
being Cia, is that there was a secret deal with
President Kennedy, behind the scenes with the Soviet Union to
pull the Jupiter missiles out of Turkey, so there's a
historical precedent for this. And the second part, which duvetails
(20:16):
off my first point, and this is very very important,
is that President Trump, with Maria Bartiromo I believe it
was yesterday, did confess that we know exactly where the
dust is and we're looking at it through satellite technology. Now,
whether any of that's true or not, I'm not going
to comment on, but I am going to tell you
(20:38):
that the one point feeds into the second point and
really reinforces Clay's original theory.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Thank you for this. That's very interesting. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I think the I think the Jupiter missile Turkey analogy
is unfortunately kind of miles away from where we are.
It is it is a backdoor or back room agreement
to do something. But this is the Iranian regime considers
it's nuclear pro We have gone through this for over
twenty years. The whole point is they will not relent
(21:11):
on this issue. It would be to have an equivalent,
it would have to be that the Soviets agreed to
give up their nuclear program, which they would obviously not
have done. So there's no way the Iranians are going
to say, you know what, come and take our stuff,
and we'll pretend like, oh no, don't take our stuff,
but like, we really want you to take our stuff.
The only because Clay. If they were willing to do that,
(21:33):
then I think they'd be willing to just come up
with a deal. They'd be more willing to at least
extend things out and be less bellicos about all this. Yeah,
we'd be hearing about it if they were reasonable. I
don't think these are reasonable people were dealing with on
the other side. They Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, the Modulus,
the national I mean, what's his name, foreign Minister. I
don't think that these guys are doves. I don't think
(21:54):
they want this to go away.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I think the way to think through it is they
are I think you said earlier they might well get
killed if they allow give up the uranium, give up
the pursuit of nuclear ambition. So my sort of thesis
on this is the way we saved the airmen. We
(22:17):
had to build a brand new landing strip, We had
to protect the surrounding panumber, surrounding this guy dropping bombs.
Air superiority. All of those things. It's a rough test
potentially for what might be necessary to extract the uranium.
And President Trump said earlier, either they give it up
(22:37):
or we take it, referring to the so called nuclear dust.
If that is the standard, both you and I agree
they're not going to voluntarily hand it over, and so
that leaves us with the option of we go and
take it. I think President Trump likes the cinematic aspects
of this, and it would serve as a repudiation of
(22:59):
the entire WMD search in Iraq, which never actually uncovered
any weapons of mass destruction, and it would represent a
clear climactic end to the incidents that are taking place
in Iran. So that is what I think is maybe
the most likely outcome when all is said and done.
There are reports, by the way that behind the scenes
(23:22):
negotiations continue with Iran, and as we began the show today,
the newest update on the ground there is that the
blockade is now enforced in theory in.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
The straight of horror moves.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I should also point out the price of oil and
gas has actually come down today, and that also suggests
that there is some form of expected settlement or there's
just not a panic setting in because a lot of
people said, oh my goodness, when Trump is putting in
the fact that he's going to come after the straight
(23:59):
of horm oose, oh my goodness, the price of oil
and gas is going to skyrocket today. It is up
some today, but not in a massive way, and it's
at the lows of the day right now, right around
ninety two eighty five is what I see right now
as I am checking the price of oil and gas
down from I think it got up to one hundred
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and twenty in the early days of these interactions, and
it hasn't gone up very much today. So stock market,
by the way up overall S and P five hundred
now in positive territory for the year. So there does
not seem to be buck any sort of substantial panic
that is setting in over over all of these aspects.
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Let's play cut forty one here for those of you. Well,
that's a long cut, but that's a little too long.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's a little too long. We can't say, like nine minutes.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I understand she's that video that went viral that maybe
we can shorten the Katie porter cliff that went viral
back in the day, and uh, the Tom Steyer.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Situation. I don't know how this is gonna go.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Candy and Texas cut Jay. Uh be careful here we
go talk back.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I once, hud someone send me a Wiener pic. What
was the most embarrassing part for the guy was it
took me a good five minutes to figure out what
the picture was.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Of whoa O I know, Candy, Uh, this is a
We were talking about the challenge associated with Swalwell and
his future. I think that one of the interesting parts
about Swalwell buck is the number of people that said
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incredibly positive things about him until this story from the
San Francisco Chronicle came out and everybody ran for the hills,
including including Reuben Gego, who is rumored to be a
presidential candidate and was best budsured riding on camels with
Eric Swalwell in the Middle East. And then as soon
as this story comes out, he is absolutely sprinting in
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the opposite direction, claiming that he never had any idea
about this. And I think the idea from Steve Hilton
that Tom Steyer was the guy behind all of this
is interesting because Tom Steyer referred to COVID. For those
of you who have forgotten as Trump's Katrina, and I
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think we have Tom Steyer saying that in the cuts
right now.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Trump is incompetent. He is doing a terrible job on this.
Mister Trump is way late, he has no capability, He's incompetent.
I think this is a huge, huge deal because this
is like George W. Bush with the hurricane and flooding
down in New Orleans, a total executive failure by an
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incompetent executive.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Now this is interesting to me, Buck because Biden almost
a full year advance to figure out what he was
gonna do about COVID. Because COVID obviously hit in February
March twenty twenty, Biden did not come into office until
late January twenty twenty one. And as as bad as
I thought Trump did in March and April of twenty
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twenty dealing with COVID, Biden was infinitely worse even with
a full one year run up. And remember, the only
reason they stopped making us wear masks was not anything
Biden did. It was the one judge down in Florida
who they finally just decided not to fight against her.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Some people are saying the greatest judge among all judges.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
She was a beautiful yus. She's a beauty.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
She stopped the masks on planes. I love her forever.
I will love that woman. I've never met her, I
don't even know her, but I love her. What was
her doing again?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Myzell, am I gonna get.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Mozelle ah judge, Myzell honestly a true I really mean this,
a true American legal hero, I said, American legal here
we would see wearing masks on the planes because people
are morons.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
The Biden base was so crazy about masks that they
needed a judge to just strike it down. And I
believe she was a federal district George, a judge just
issued an individual epits one of the most consequential district
court opinions we've seen a long time, and just said, hey,
this masking requirement is basically absurd. And remember they had
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the audio of people announcing it on the airplane and
people celebrating, like ripping their masks off on a bunch
of different airlines back in the day.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Also, Katrina is very similar to COVID in that the
media was able to manufacture a whole lot more politicized
rage than was really warranted. Bush declared a disaster in it.
He declared an disaster. I believe even in advance of Katrina.
He was within twenty four hours or so, they had
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you know, they had a massive deployment of active duty troops,
seven thousand acts, the duty troops, twenty one thousand National Guard, deployed,
US Coast Guard, federal assets, ten point five billion dollar
emergency aid package within days of landfall. But the whole
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Bush thing was Kanye said, let's just be honest. Kanye said,
George Bush doesn't care about black people, and then the
media that just.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Became the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, that was their whole thing. The reality was, you
know where there was incompetence. You know who the idiots
were when it came to Katrina, stayed in local officials.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
This is reality. Go back and look at the record,
the people who weren't ready.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Who didn't have preparations, who didn't have clear lines of
command and control. Yeah, you can always say that FEMA
wasn't FEMA's a federal bureaucracy. It's not great, But in
terms of what a president can do, Clay, I just
want everyone to know this. Everyone goes, oh, that's so
and so's Katrina. It's a little bit like people with
McCarthy and the list of Yeah, there were a lot
of communist penetrations at the government, my friends, that's reality.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Do you know that?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Did they tell you that in school? There were there
were all democrats to That's why they don't tell you
that in school. So this becomes a thing, you know,
the red scare. Actually there were a lot of reds.
And actually Bush did not do a terrible job in Katrina.
It was a once in a century storm situation with
state and local democrats being total idiots, and they blamed
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it on Bush because they made it a race issue.
That's really what happened. Just saying you won't hear that
anywhere else, but it is all the truth. You can
go check it yourself.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Let's go to phones when we come back. Eight hundred
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Speaker 2 (31:40):
Looking for normal in a world of crazy playing buck,
have your back.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I appreciate all of you hanging out. Let's see heat
in Oklahoma. Fire away.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Hi, guys, love the show. Listen every day rolling up
and down the highways. You were talking earlier about the
h the new clear dust over there we needed, how
we're gonna get it, How we're going to go in
and get that. Also talking about the mid terms, you know,
and things may get di see people get nervous about it.
I was just thinking Trump could maybe do a little
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headpache and uh, you know, playing nice for a little
while with the Iranians and maybe let them go in
and do all this heavy lifting and excavate the area
and then sees it after they've done all the ward Thank.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You for the call. I think what they've said and
thank you for listening, is that we.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Have constant visual ability to survey those areas and that
if they start to touch anything, we'll go in and
blow them up again. So I think that is the
threat that is out there right now as it pertains
to those sites that we hit back in June. Joe
in North Florida, retired colonel, thanks for listening.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
I got so yeah. Hi, guys, we love you. You're you're
a wonderful I in my Air Force career did some
international dealings with various cats and dogs and one of
the one of the rules that you must follow is
the basic three steps. One never trust to communists. Two,
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never trust a left wing Islamist, and three never trust
a left wing America. And if you do those, all
your negotiations will go very well, as well as your
interpersonal relationships. But almost everything on your show in the
last week or two has been because somebody violated one
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of those basic rules.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
That's a great call a lot of truth to it.
Thank you, Joe, thanks for the service as well. Colonel
Mike in Salt Lake City fire Away Mike.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
Hey, guys, one of the things that you talked about
with your range is.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
That these people are crazy.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
They're nutty in heaven as they got former Special Operations
order to spend a bunch of time over there in
that general region of the world. They're not freaking crazy. Okay,
they're cunning, They're absolutely cunning. But here's something I think
you missed and that I arnc when they decapitated everyone
IRGC is now running that country. Okay, so you've got
mid level guys that are probably very very guilty of
war crimes against their own people. And if that place false,
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those guys get the bottom of a rope and they
know it, so they literally have no place to go.
So they're gonna they're gonna drag this out as much
as they can make this painful, hope that we don't
topple that regime because they realize when it gets toppled,
those people who they they their own, people that they butchered,
are going to come back for them. So I don't
think they're crazy by a long shot. And I've dealt
with people in that region a bunch. I think that
they're cunning, and I think that they have literally no
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place else to go. A handful might be able to
flee to Russia.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Make the rest of this Yeah, rude, I look, I
think that's all various. Dude, thank you for calling in, Mike,
appreciate it. I would just say, Clay, Yeah, when we
say crazy, I mean it's really a way of saying
they have different different risk tolerance and outcomes desired than
we do in this in profound ways, and they view things,
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you know I mentioned before. Okay, well, how do you
describe people who are willing to to deploy people as
human mindfield clearers, which is what Iran diddur in the
Iran Iraq War. Now, I know that's a little while ago,
but I'm saying how do you describe people. Yeah, a
suicide bomber has a plan in mind. I think we
profoundly disagree with the plan and also what they think
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is going to come in the afterlife from But you
know this is you are dealing with people who have
an entirely disconnected or very different value set and ethics.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
When you're talking.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
About the Iranian leadership, they have very different ethics than
we do, just like Hamas in Israel have very different ethics. Right,
crazy is kind of a catch all term in a
lot of ways.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Podcast listener, I agree, Mike from Las Vegas. Buck, you
were talking about sports as sort of the security blanket.
We played on that on Friday. I think Mike is
reacting to that play.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
Buck, This is Mike from Las Vegas. The sports therapy
thing is very true. I remember in April of twenty
twenty listening to Clay on OutKick on Fox Sports Radio
and him saying that this is the longest April in
May of all time with his old crew listened to
play since twenty seventeen, the old OutKick days when he
was actually a guest on the j Moore Sports Show,
And I remember thinking, who the heck is this guy
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talking about these very interesting ideas, and I followed you
ever since. So thanks a lot, Clay and Buck very
what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I just want to go back and listen to these
old episodes of you, Clay, so I can hear guys
call in, like Clay, the team's let me down. But
I'm wondering something. Do you ever feel like your dad
should have taken you fishing more?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I do remember remember how long those days in March
and April of twenty twenty felt like. I mean, those
days seem like they lasted months. We'll be back with
all of you tomorrow
The third hour of playing, Buck kicks off with the
one and only Steve Hilton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
He is running as a Republican for governor of the
beautiful state, the poorly governed but beautiful state of California,
and Steve Hilton is with us now. Steve, busy times,
my friend, thank you for coming here. We have been
early Steve Hilton adopters, you could say, in this whole process,
been having you on now from the very beginning, to
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get the word out to our very large audience of
Californians who are behind liberal lines there and listening in
to what's going on here on Clay and Buck. Let's
start with we got to just start with this, the
swallwall situation. Was this a surprise to you when it hit?
And why do you think it hit?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, thanks, guys. I mean, the timing was definitely a surprise,
but the fact of it was not at all a surprise.
This has been an open secret for as long as
certainly for me, I've known this. People talk about it,
including Democrats in Sacramento, for as long as he's been
in the race, probably long. It's an open secret on
Capitol Hill, certainly in Sacramento. And it just shows you
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the fact that despite that, he got the endorsement of
the Big Unit, the teacher unions, the SEIU, Adam Schiff,
all these Nancy Pelosi acolytes. It just shows you how corrupt, cynical,
and arrogant these people are. These career politicians who just
think they can get away with anything. It doesn't matter
what they say or do, There'll be no consequences. It's
the kind of arrogance you get from sixteen years of
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one party rule in California. Honestly, all they care about
is their power. Just think about all their endless lectures
on women's rights, that war a gender equality me too,
blah blah blah. They don't believe any of it. It's
all about their power. The machine was moving behind suall well.
Actually everyone expected him to get the machine's endorsement, even
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with all this going on. Finally it came out. I
didn't expect it. But it's very good news because it
means that when it kind of clarifies the situation somewhat.
And the thing that it really shows is that we
are so desperately in need of change in California. The
sort of collapsing of the California Democrats into chaos and
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sleeves and scandal. It's just another really powerful indication of
why we so desperately need change.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Why did it happen? Now?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Buck and I have been discussing, debating, contemplating why at
this point he was the leader. Do you think there
was a fear that he was going to be the
nominee and that it might come out after he was
one of the two finalists. Do you think this was
Katie Porter? Do you think it was Tom Steyer? Where
did this come from?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
As you said, the rumors have been out there for
a long time about him. He even addressed them in
some of his endorsement interviews. Reports are why now?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So I don't know. But what I'm hearing very strongly,
including from people I know on the Democrats and from
reporters following the raise, is that it's Tom style. That
That's what people are saying that. Just to be clear,
I have no evidence for that, but that is what
everybody is saying, that it's Tom Styer who's got unlimited money.
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You know, he's this billionaire climate fanatic. As we know,
he's already spent over one hundred million dollars on his
race just in the last few months with these endless
ads that are driving everyone crazy in California, you know,
has lifted him up from two or three percent to
ten or eleven percent. So it's kind of working for
him in a pathetic sort of way, you could say.
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And he's spending money on this kind of thing as well.
Katie Porter, by the way, blames Tom Steyer for the
leaking of all those videos of her berating her staff
and so on. She thinks that's Tom Steyer, and she
thinks there's more.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Of that to come.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And so I don't know. I'm just reporting what I hear.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
This is remarkable stuff, and now we see what a
total mess. Well, we're not surprised at all that the
Democrats have been willing Democrat media, I should say, all
of it together, the whole apparatus to keep this stuff
under wraps. As you said, it has been known that
he's sketchy for a long time. I remember doing Tucker's
show on Fox years ago, and Tucker just couldn't stop
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laughing about the Feng Fang thing. So, I mean, there's
been a lot of smoke before this fire came out.
A lot of people very much dialed in on Swalwell
being a sketchy a sketchy fellow in terms of the
other So you think it's stire because again the timing
of this, why not keep him off the ballot entirely
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at some level in competence here among Democrats, I think
is something we shouldn't keep off the table, right, meaning
that they just this happened, they weren't paying close enough attention,
and then it came up later on. But what does
this do explain now the rest of the field. So
Swalwell was out, can you take us through the reordering?
I believe you were at the top of this whole thing,
the reordering of the candidates, and how you think this
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shifts the race.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So remember we got this top two system, which is ridiculous.
The top two candidates go through regardless of party. For
most of this year, the top two candidates have been
me and the other Republican, and I've been leading and
my leader has been growing, but it's pretty much been
the top two a couple of times. More recently, Swolwell's
been in the top two. A lot of Republicans have
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therefore been saying, oh, this is great, We'll have two
Republicans in the top two, and that means we're guaranteed
a change in California. I've always said that that's a fantasy,
that the Democrat machine is not just going to hand
over California. They'll spend whatever it takes to make sure
that there's a Democrat in the top two. The Union's will,
They've got tens of millions of dollars or stires. So
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I always said, the more important thing is to make
sure there's a Republican in the top two by ensuring
that we don't split the vote and make sure that
there's one strong leading candidate. Now, for most of this year,
I've been leading, not by much, but you know, two
to three points ahead. That leader has been growing in
the last couple of weeks. So, for example, there were
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two poles last week. One had me nineteen percent, everyone
else thirteen and below. Another one ironically from Tom's from
Eric Swolwell's backers, had Me at twenty two percent, swall
Well at eighteen, everyone else twelve thirteen percent. So the
lead and those poles were taken before the big news
last Sunday. On Easter Sunday, the President Trump had endorsed
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me in the governor's race. That's a huge moment, and
so we can expect my lead to grow and a
consolidation to happen on our side. On the Republican side.
That's very important because what you might also see is
the Swollwell support let's call it fifteen sixteen percent. But evenly,
it's not obvious to me where that would go either
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Tom Steyer or Katie Porter. I don't know, maybe some
of the other lower polling candidates, but in other words,
Stier and Porter you would expect to move up a bit.
And that's why it's very important we make sure that
we have one Republican and get behind me. That's been
my message for weeks, and that's even more important now
as you're going to get a consolidation on the Democrat side.
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My expectation right now is as we move towards election day,
remember ballots go out in three weeks in California, you're
going to see a kind of top three emerging, which
is myself, Tom Steyer, and Katie Porter. And the most
important thing is we don't let that top three become
a Democrat top two.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
We're talking to Steve Hilton running for governor of California.
Ballots go out, as you just heard from him, in
just a few weeks, and the actual primary is on
June third. You're campaigning all over California. We talket We
not only have talked about Eric sallwell, but the situation
in Iran. There are more expats from with Iranian backgrounds
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in the LA area probably than anywhere else in the country.
I'm curious, what are you hearing about Iran in California
when you're out on campaign trail.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
It's a hugely energizing factor. I mean, there's there's you know,
I don't know the exact number, but like hundreds of
thousand is over a million across the state half a million.
LA is the largest city outside Iran of rain Is.
It's a really really big community here, very powerful, very
important voice in our state and in politics. All now
one hundred percent pretty much lined up behind President Trump,
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appreciative of what he's done, and I see it all
over I was actually last last East, last last Sunday,
before the President's endorsement. I was at a major Iranian
event for the end of New Year, Nuru's in the
Bay Area. Fantastic reception there where I made the point
that you know, I'm not in I don't know what's
going to happen in Iran, but we are certainly fighting
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for regime change here in California making that connection, and
it's really powerful. And we've got two major events with
the Iranian community in LA just coming up in the
next couple of weeks. It's a very very big part
of the story.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What are the dominoes? Politically speaking? We're speaking to Steve
Hilton everybody. He's running for governor in California. Republicans in California,
Now is your chance to step up and try to
change things, he says, regime change in California, which is
a very good way to put it. What are the
domino Steve, that have to fall in your favor for
this to go from you at the top of the
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pack to you winning the governor's mansion. I mean, you know,
is it some concession from the police Union, is it
independent voters in the California interior. I mean, just take
us through a little bit of what has to happen
for you to actually win this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The top of that list is a really strong Republican turnout,
because actually if you look at the numbers. I make
this point all the time, if you just try and
project the turnout in the mid in the November election
here in California, by taking an average of the last
to twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two, the total number
of votes as an estimate is eleven point seven million.
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That's the total. So to win, you need just over
half of that, call it five point nine million. President
Trump in California in twenty twenty four got six point
one million votes. In other words, there are enough Republican
votes in California for me to win just with Republican
votes if they all turn out. Now, of course it's
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very hard. It's not easy to get a presidential year
turnout in the midterm election. But that's the starting point.
And we've got two very very powerful things going in
our favor for that, because on the ballot this November
in California as well as all the candidates, will be
two ballot initiatives that Republicans particularly are enthusiastic about. Number
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one is save Prop thirteen, that the taxpayer protection measure,
particularly property taxes, and the big one really is voter ID.
So whatever happens with the Save America Act in California,
we'll have the chance to vote for voter ID this November,
a real turnout driver among Republicans, so that's going to
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be very important. But beyond that, of course, we want
to build our support beyond the Republican turnout, and I
think that my simple message, which is you know you
can capture in one word, that's what we've been doing,
taking up and down the state califfordable, making our state
califfordable with a very specific plan. Three dollar gas, cut
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your electric bills in half, your first one hundred grand
tax free, no more free healthcare for illegal immigrants, so
we lower healthcare cost for you, a home you can
afford to buy. That goes way beyond party lines. Is
just common sense, pragmatic, positive, practical stuff, and I think
that's how we're going to win.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Do you think there will be any more funny business?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
You mentioned Tom Steyer potentially as the candidate behind coming
after Swallwell, Katie Porter has had a bunch of videos
come out.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Of her looking awful.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
He's also got the boiling water and potatoes poured on
our ex husband's head story. Not exactly a very likable person.
How much more funny business do you think is coming
in this race.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, there's a lot of expectation that Katie Porter is next,
because there really is this assumption that Tom Steyer has
been behind this and that there's plenty more to come
out on Katie Porter. So I'm sure she's you know,
stealing herself for that. We'll see what it is, whether
it's different or just more of the same that we've
seen from her. My argument is it honestly doesn't matter
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who they send, because we're sick of these people. This
corrupt Democrat machine. On the policy front is a total disaster.
We've got the highest poverty rate, highest unemployment rate, highest
cost of living in the country. None of them offer
any kind of change from what we've had, and so
in a way it doesn't matter. But I don't know.
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I think we're probably going to see Tom Steyer splashing
more of the cash. You know, he's already spent, as
I said, over one hundred million, is probably going to
double that in the next month or so, including some
dirty tricks on That's what I'd expect.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Can I just ask you to bring us up to
speed on something you're talking about, regime change in California,
which I love, and you're talking about making things affordable
for people, which might stop. I gotta say, I don't
know if I want that to happen in some ways,
because you're just driving up the Florida housing prices so much.
And as an honor down here now, I'm loving all
these Californians who show up.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Like I'll pay anything. I just need to escape the madness.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But to give people a sense of how this is
all actually going in your state, bring us up to
speed with the latest on the Palisades fire and the
La wildfire rebuilding situation, because I remember Gavin Newsom saying we're.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Gonna pull all that red tape aside. We're gonna make
this so easy, it's gonna be like a Swiss watch.
I'm hearing not so much, Steve. How's that going nothing?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
In fact, one of the Iranian events that we're going
to be holding in the next couple of weeks is
in the Palisades, in the ruins of a house that
hasn't been rebuilt because it's no permit. You know, it's
just unbelievable. You go, there's something, it's a little bit
the construction going on, but what's really outrageous is the
fact that they are absolutely using it to push the
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ideological agenda of builder, of replacing a beautiful single family
neighborhood with apartment buildings, low income apartment building. That is
what they're pushing. And so there is this sense that
these people are just ideologues who absolutely don't care about delivery,
you know, just doing what the basic job of government
should be, which is get out the way, provide the
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basics so that people can live their lives. No, they're
constantly pushing this ideological agenda. So in a way, it's
now worse than the incompetence of not issuing the permits,
and of course the incompetence that led to the fire
in the first place. It's the actual you know, exploitation
of this for an ideological agenda to change the character
of the Palisades that's got people so enraged. And I'm
(14:50):
seeing it in the events we're doing in LA There's
one this week which is it's an event that we're
doing which are mainly Democrats, including some very surprising, you know,
people who've been completely lockstep with a Democrat a supporters
and fundraisers and donors for many many years coming along
to my you know, hosting and holding events for me
in LA. There's something, there's something going on in California.
(15:13):
I really feel it more and more every week that
people are sick of what's been happening. And I think
the Suirwel thing just adds to that. They're just disgusted
by it, honestly, and oh my gosh, these people have
been in power too long time for change. It's going
to be very powerful feeling. And then but one thing
I haven't even mentioned, which is the fraud. The fraud
story is huge in California, and that's why the whole
(15:36):
you know I just had on my podcast John Coopol,
who's the president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. Some
people might remember back in nineteen seventy eight it was
called the taxpayer Revolt in California and it led to
a ballot initiative Prop thirteen that put the limit on
tax increases and property tax in particular. I feel like
we're heading for another taxpayer revolt in California as people see,
(15:59):
you know, we pay the high taxes in the country
for the worst results, and now you see where your
money's going. Stiphoned off into fraud and theft and financing
the Democrat political machine. People are really fired up and
enraged by that. That's going to be a big factor
as well.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
As always, we encourage you to get out and vote
Steve Hilton. Three weeks from now. Ballots are out June
third is the primary. We appreciate the time, keep.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Up the fight.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Great to be with you guys, see soon.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's Steve Hilton.
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Speaker 1 (17:37):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Clay, A lot of
interesting stuff there from Steve Hilton, the man of the
moment here stepping off in California with Swalwell being pushed aside.
We're going to get into a bunch of your calls
and talkbacks and everything else. I didn't know Tom. He
thinks it's Tom Steyer behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That was it. That was a change. I respect that either.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, So we'll take your calls, we'll take your talkback.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
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Clay and Buck. We got a lot of calls, a
lot of talkbacks, a lot of things here, Clay, who
(19:00):
won the live calls? Did you want to get you
straight away? You've got the live call screen in front
of you there.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, the live score live call screen has been flawless
for two and a half hours and legitimately is now
not up.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
But okay, that sounds about right for live radio. Nice.
Let's do some talkbacks maybe.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Then we can if we can pull back up my
call screener so that I can type people up and
let them in.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
We do have a ton of talkbacks to Tom and
Tampa is the first call. Let's do Tom and tampas
he's waiting patiently, go ahead, Tom.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Yeah, Hey, hey, Clay, Hey, Buck, I've got two very
very important points. I wanted to just reinforce Clay's original
point about that with the uranium dust there could be
some sort of deal behind the scenes with the Iranians
where Delta goes in and tastes it, but a rank
(19:53):
and save face and the historical precedent for that, and
I'm sure Clay probably knows this, Buck, you probably do too,
being Cia, is that there was a secret deal with
President Kennedy, behind the scenes with the Soviet Union to
pull the Jupiter missiles out of Turkey, so there's a
historical precedent for this. And the second part, which duvetails
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off my first point, and this is very very important,
is that President Trump, with Maria Bartiromo I believe it
was yesterday, did confess that we know exactly where the
dust is and we're looking at it through satellite technology. Now,
whether any of that's true or not, I'm not going
to comment on, but I am going to tell you
(20:38):
that the one point feeds into the second point and
really reinforces Clay's original theory.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Thank you for this. That's very interesting. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I think the I think the Jupiter missile Turkey analogy
is unfortunately kind of miles away from where we are.
It is it is a backdoor or back room agreement
to do something. But this is the Iranian regime considers
it's nuclear pro We have gone through this for over
twenty years. The whole point is they will not relent
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on this issue. It would be to have an equivalent,
it would have to be that the Soviets agreed to
give up their nuclear program, which they would obviously not
have done. So there's no way the Iranians are going
to say, you know what, come and take our stuff,
and we'll pretend like, oh no, don't take our stuff,
but like, we really want you to take our stuff.
The only because Clay. If they were willing to do that,
(21:33):
then I think they'd be willing to just come up
with a deal. They'd be more willing to at least
extend things out and be less bellicos about all this. Yeah,
we'd be hearing about it if they were reasonable. I
don't think these are reasonable people were dealing with on
the other side. They Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, the Modulus,
the national I mean, what's his name, foreign Minister. I
don't think that these guys are doves. I don't think
(21:54):
they want this to go away.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I think the way to think through it is they
are I think you said earlier they might well get
killed if they allow give up the uranium, give up
the pursuit of nuclear ambition. So my sort of thesis
on this is the way we saved the airmen. We
(22:17):
had to build a brand new landing strip, We had
to protect the surrounding panumber, surrounding this guy dropping bombs.
Air superiority. All of those things. It's a rough test
potentially for what might be necessary to extract the uranium.
And President Trump said earlier, either they give it up
(22:37):
or we take it, referring to the so called nuclear dust.
If that is the standard, both you and I agree
they're not going to voluntarily hand it over, and so
that leaves us with the option of we go and
take it. I think President Trump likes the cinematic aspects
of this, and it would serve as a repudiation of
(22:59):
the entire WMD search in Iraq, which never actually uncovered
any weapons of mass destruction, and it would represent a
clear climactic end to the incidents that are taking place
in Iran. So that is what I think is maybe
the most likely outcome when all is said and done.
There are reports, by the way that behind the scenes
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negotiations continue with Iran, and as we began the show today,
the newest update on the ground there is that the
blockade is now enforced in theory in.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
The straight of horror moves.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I should also point out the price of oil and
gas has actually come down today, and that also suggests
that there is some form of expected settlement or there's
just not a panic setting in because a lot of
people said, oh my goodness, when Trump is putting in
the fact that he's going to come after the straight
(23:59):
of horm oose, oh my goodness, the price of oil
and gas is going to skyrocket today. It is up
some today, but not in a massive way, and it's
at the lows of the day right now, right around
ninety two eighty five is what I see right now
as I am checking the price of oil and gas
down from I think it got up to one hundred
(24:20):
and twenty in the early days of these interactions, and
it hasn't gone up very much today. So stock market,
by the way up overall S and P five hundred
now in positive territory for the year. So there does
not seem to be buck any sort of substantial panic
that is setting in over over all of these aspects.
(24:40):
Let's play cut forty one here for those of you. Well,
that's a long cut, but that's a little too long.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's a little too long. We can't say, like nine minutes.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I understand she's that video that went viral that maybe
we can shorten the Katie porter cliff that went viral
back in the day, and uh, the Tom Steyer.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Situation. I don't know how this is gonna go.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Candy and Texas cut Jay. Uh be careful here we
go talk back.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I once, hud someone send me a Wiener pic. What
was the most embarrassing part for the guy was it
took me a good five minutes to figure out what
the picture was.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Of whoa O I know, Candy, Uh, this is a
We were talking about the challenge associated with Swalwell and
his future. I think that one of the interesting parts
about Swalwell buck is the number of people that said
(25:45):
incredibly positive things about him until this story from the
San Francisco Chronicle came out and everybody ran for the hills,
including including Reuben Gego, who is rumored to be a
presidential candidate and was best budsured riding on camels with
Eric Swalwell in the Middle East. And then as soon
as this story comes out, he is absolutely sprinting in
(26:08):
the opposite direction, claiming that he never had any idea
about this. And I think the idea from Steve Hilton
that Tom Steyer was the guy behind all of this
is interesting because Tom Steyer referred to COVID. For those
of you who have forgotten as Trump's Katrina, and I
(26:29):
think we have Tom Steyer saying that in the cuts
right now.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Trump is incompetent. He is doing a terrible job on this.
Mister Trump is way late, he has no capability, He's incompetent.
I think this is a huge, huge deal because this
is like George W. Bush with the hurricane and flooding
down in New Orleans, a total executive failure by an
(26:53):
incompetent executive.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Now this is interesting to me, Buck because Biden almost
a full year advance to figure out what he was
gonna do about COVID. Because COVID obviously hit in February
March twenty twenty, Biden did not come into office until
late January twenty twenty one. And as as bad as
I thought Trump did in March and April of twenty
(27:17):
twenty dealing with COVID, Biden was infinitely worse even with
a full one year run up. And remember, the only
reason they stopped making us wear masks was not anything
Biden did. It was the one judge down in Florida
who they finally just decided not to fight against her.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Some people are saying the greatest judge among all judges.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
She was a beautiful yus. She's a beauty.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
She stopped the masks on planes. I love her forever.
I will love that woman. I've never met her, I
don't even know her, but I love her. What was
her doing again?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Myzell, am I gonna get.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Mozelle ah judge, Myzell honestly a true I really mean this,
a true American legal hero, I said, American legal here
we would see wearing masks on the planes because people
are morons.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
The Biden base was so crazy about masks that they
needed a judge to just strike it down. And I
believe she was a federal district George, a judge just
issued an individual epits one of the most consequential district
court opinions we've seen a long time, and just said, hey,
this masking requirement is basically absurd. And remember they had
(28:24):
the audio of people announcing it on the airplane and
people celebrating, like ripping their masks off on a bunch
of different airlines back in the day.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Also, Katrina is very similar to COVID in that the
media was able to manufacture a whole lot more politicized
rage than was really warranted. Bush declared a disaster in it.
He declared an disaster. I believe even in advance of Katrina.
He was within twenty four hours or so, they had
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you know, they had a massive deployment of active duty troops,
seven thousand acts, the duty troops, twenty one thousand National Guard, deployed,
US Coast Guard, federal assets, ten point five billion dollar
emergency aid package within days of landfall. But the whole
(29:14):
Bush thing was Kanye said, let's just be honest. Kanye said,
George Bush doesn't care about black people, and then the
media that just.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Became the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, that was their whole thing. The reality was, you
know where there was incompetence. You know who the idiots
were when it came to Katrina, stayed in local officials.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
This is reality. Go back and look at the record,
the people who weren't ready.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Who didn't have preparations, who didn't have clear lines of
command and control. Yeah, you can always say that FEMA
wasn't FEMA's a federal bureaucracy. It's not great, But in
terms of what a president can do, Clay, I just
want everyone to know this. Everyone goes, oh, that's so
and so's Katrina. It's a little bit like people with
McCarthy and the list of Yeah, there were a lot
of communist penetrations at the government, my friends, that's reality.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Do you know that?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Did they tell you that in school? There were there
were all democrats to That's why they don't tell you
that in school. So this becomes a thing, you know,
the red scare. Actually there were a lot of reds.
And actually Bush did not do a terrible job in Katrina.
It was a once in a century storm situation with
state and local democrats being total idiots, and they blamed
(30:17):
it on Bush because they made it a race issue.
That's really what happened. Just saying you won't hear that
anywhere else, but it is all the truth. You can
go check it yourself.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Let's go to phones when we come back. Eight hundred
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Speaker 2 (31:40):
Looking for normal in a world of crazy playing buck,
have your back.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I appreciate all of you hanging out. Let's see heat
in Oklahoma. Fire away.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Hi, guys, love the show. Listen every day rolling up
and down the highways. You were talking earlier about the
h the new clear dust over there we needed, how
we're gonna get it, How we're going to go in
and get that. Also talking about the mid terms, you know,
and things may get di see people get nervous about it.
I was just thinking Trump could maybe do a little
(32:13):
headpache and uh, you know, playing nice for a little
while with the Iranians and maybe let them go in
and do all this heavy lifting and excavate the area
and then sees it after they've done all the ward Thank.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You for the call. I think what they've said and
thank you for listening, is that we.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Have constant visual ability to survey those areas and that
if they start to touch anything, we'll go in and
blow them up again. So I think that is the
threat that is out there right now as it pertains
to those sites that we hit back in June. Joe
in North Florida, retired colonel, thanks for listening.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
I got so yeah. Hi, guys, we love you. You're you're
a wonderful I in my Air Force career did some
international dealings with various cats and dogs and one of
the one of the rules that you must follow is
the basic three steps. One never trust to communists. Two,
(33:13):
never trust a left wing Islamist, and three never trust
a left wing America. And if you do those, all
your negotiations will go very well, as well as your
interpersonal relationships. But almost everything on your show in the
last week or two has been because somebody violated one
(33:33):
of those basic rules.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
That's a great call a lot of truth to it.
Thank you, Joe, thanks for the service as well. Colonel
Mike in Salt Lake City fire Away Mike.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
Hey, guys, one of the things that you talked about
with your range is.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
That these people are crazy.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
They're nutty in heaven as they got former Special Operations
order to spend a bunch of time over there in
that general region of the world. They're not freaking crazy. Okay,
they're cunning, They're absolutely cunning. But here's something I think
you missed and that I arnc when they decapitated everyone
IRGC is now running that country. Okay, so you've got
mid level guys that are probably very very guilty of
war crimes against their own people. And if that place false,
(34:10):
those guys get the bottom of a rope and they
know it, so they literally have no place to go.
So they're gonna they're gonna drag this out as much
as they can make this painful, hope that we don't
topple that regime because they realize when it gets toppled,
those people who they they their own, people that they butchered,
are going to come back for them. So I don't
think they're crazy by a long shot. And I've dealt
with people in that region a bunch. I think that
they're cunning, and I think that they have literally no
(34:32):
place else to go. A handful might be able to
flee to Russia.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Make the rest of this Yeah, rude, I look, I
think that's all various. Dude, thank you for calling in, Mike,
appreciate it. I would just say, Clay, Yeah, when we
say crazy, I mean it's really a way of saying
they have different different risk tolerance and outcomes desired than
we do in this in profound ways, and they view things,
(34:56):
you know I mentioned before. Okay, well, how do you
describe people who are willing to to deploy people as
human mindfield clearers, which is what Iran diddur in the
Iran Iraq War. Now, I know that's a little while ago,
but I'm saying how do you describe people. Yeah, a
suicide bomber has a plan in mind. I think we
profoundly disagree with the plan and also what they think
(35:17):
is going to come in the afterlife from But you
know this is you are dealing with people who have
an entirely disconnected or very different value set and ethics.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
When you're talking.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
About the Iranian leadership, they have very different ethics than
we do, just like Hamas in Israel have very different ethics. Right,
crazy is kind of a catch all term in a
lot of ways.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Podcast listener, I agree, Mike from Las Vegas. Buck, you
were talking about sports as sort of the security blanket.
We played on that on Friday. I think Mike is
reacting to that play.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
Buck, This is Mike from Las Vegas. The sports therapy
thing is very true. I remember in April of twenty
twenty listening to Clay on OutKick on Fox Sports Radio
and him saying that this is the longest April in
May of all time with his old crew listened to
play since twenty seventeen, the old OutKick days when he
was actually a guest on the j Moore Sports Show,
And I remember thinking, who the heck is this guy
(36:16):
talking about these very interesting ideas, and I followed you
ever since. So thanks a lot, Clay and Buck very
what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I just want to go back and listen to these
old episodes of you, Clay, so I can hear guys
call in, like Clay, the team's let me down. But
I'm wondering something. Do you ever feel like your dad
should have taken you fishing more?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I do remember remember how long those days in March
and April of twenty twenty felt like. I mean, those
days seem like they lasted months. We'll be back with
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