May 5, 2026 • 37 mins
In Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the hosts deliver a wide-ranging and energetic final hour that blends breaking political analysis, midterm election outlook, redistricting battles, energy policy, and listener-driven discussion, while also pivoting into an in-depth and interactive debate on military history and strategic decision-making. This third hour reinforces many of the day’s key themes—especially gas prices, global conflict, and domestic political consequences—while incorporating audience engagement and broader cultural commentary.
The hour opens with a comprehensive recap of the day’s major headlines, including President Donald Trump’s latest Oval Office remarks, Pentagon updates involving Iran, and ongoing primary elections in Indiana and Ohio, all framed within the larger context of the 2026 midterm election cycle. Clay and Buck emphasize that redistricting battles across states like Tennessee, Alabama, and Louisiana could play a pivotal role in shaping control of Congress, particularly in light of recent Supreme Court scrutiny of race-based district mapping. The hosts discuss legal tensions between justices and suggest that redistricting outcomes could shift several seats toward Republicans, making it one of the most consequential political developments to watch.
A major political focus in Hour 3 is the evolving midterm election landscape, with particular attention on Ohio’s Senate and gubernatorial races. Despite Ohio’s recent trend toward Republican dominance, the hosts highlight that prediction markets currently favor Democrats in both statewide races, which they describe as a warning sign for Republican prospects. They analyze how candidate dynamics, campaign messaging, and broader voter sentiment—especially dissatisfaction tied to inflation and high energy costs—could influence outcomes. The discussion also raises an important long-term question for the Republican Party: how voter turnout and party performance may change in elections where President Trump is not on the ballot, making this cycle a key test of the broader political coalition.
The hosts repeatedly return to what they describe as the single most important economic issue: gas prices and the cost of energy, tying it directly to voter behavior and political outcomes. They explain that oil is a global commodity, meaning domestic production alone cannot shield American consumers from rising prices driven by international supply disruptions, particularly those related to Middle East tensions and the Strait of Hormuz. This reinforces the central theme from earlier hours that energy markets, global trade routes, and U.S. foreign policy are deeply interconnected with domestic economic conditions.
The latter half of Hour 3 shifts into a more interactive and engaging segment driven by listener talkbacks, focusing on a spirited debate over the greatest military maneuvers in history. Sparked by earlier comments about President Trump’s praise of a naval blockade, Clay and Buck dive into a wide-ranging discussion of famous battles and strategies, incorporating listener suggestions and their own historical perspectives. They debate the merits of Civil War battles like Chancellorsville and Vicksburg, World War II events such as D-Day, the Battle of the Bulge, and Midway, and other pivotal moments including the Battle of Gettysburg, Yorktown, and the Korean War landing at Inchon. The conversation explores distinctions between tactical brilliance, strategic impact, and sheer luck, with the hosts acknowledging that many historic victories involved a combination of all three.
This segment not only showcases the hosts’ interest in military history, geopolitics, and strategic thinking, but also reflects their engagement with the audience, as listeners contribute ideas ranging from classic battlefield tactics to larger strategic turning points like the use of the atomic bomb in World War II. The discussion highlights how military decisions can have lasting global consequences, tying back to the show’s broader themes of power, conflict, and leadership.
Throughout Hour 3, Clay and Buck maintain a balance between serious political analysis and lighter, conversational material, including commentary on historical figures, war strategy, and cultural perspectives, which keeps the tone accessible while still informative. They close the hour by previewing upcoming political developments, including continued election coverage, potential speeches from key figures like Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and ongoing debates in major states like California.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in out number three play Travis buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A lot of different.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Emails calls rolling in as we are rolling into the
third hour. Where have we gone so far today? Pete
Hegseth and General Cain had a press conference early this morning.
President Trump had a press conference, took questions inside of
the Oval Office just a bit ago. He has a
(00:27):
bunch of elementary school kids doing a presidential fitness challenge
as he is bringing back that challenge that so many
of you, not including Block however, might have remembered doing
when you were in elementary school. And right now they
are on the South lawn and I just saw a
video posted of legendary golfer Gary Player competing in a
(00:49):
push up contest against current top golfer Bryson Deschambeau. So
that is what is going on right now there. Indiana
and Ohio primaries occurring as we speak. Tennessee having a
hearing on redistricting as Alabama also prepares to redistrict. Pete
(01:12):
Hegseth talking about Comiccazi dolphins. We have talked about that.
I have floated my insurance idea on the strait of
horror moves as a way to get ships moving and
potentially bring down rapidly the price of oil and gas.
And you just heard from Daniel Perez, who is the
speaker of the Florida House, about the new map that
(01:34):
Florida has put in place. All of those stories moving, buck.
I wanted to get into.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You mentioned a little bit earlier the redistricting battle and
the I would say hard to describe it as anything
other than a shot across the bow that came from
the in the Supreme Court having to do with the
Louisiana redistricting case that they just heard Katanji Brown Jackson
(02:02):
versus Justice Alito. I'll play I'll read a bit of
that for you. But this is actually a great email
from a VIP just shared by producer Ali. This is
from Jeremy. I think the insurance issue for shipping can
be fixed pretty easily. There is roughly one hundred billion
dollars in Iranian money that has been confiscated held around
(02:25):
the world by sanctions. If they break it, they buy it.
Use those funds to pay for damages caused by Iran,
not just for shipping. For the UAE Saudi's Israelis guaranteed
funds for those affected will fix many issues. Love that idea,
and right now those are frozen funds. It's a great
idea from Jeremy and say the United States will provide
(02:49):
the insurance and the backing in the event that there
are any ships attacked. Effectively, Iran would pay for any
issues that might arise for the ships through conface skated
funds that we already have. If Aaron makes the decision
to take that direction. So that is that's out there.
I like that suggestion from vip email or Jeremy.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This is like.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
The scene from Enemy at the Gates where the Soviet
officers are sending men into battle against the very well
armed and trained Nazis, and the Soviets are given one
rifle for two men with the idea clay that. Well,
(03:36):
when the guy with the rifle gets killed, you pick
up his rifle and fight. So you're just saying, look,
is every tanker gonna make it through? Probably not, but
if you will, I see where your head's out on
this one. All right, let me go into this redistricting you, yeah,
which is real quick.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You've seen that movie? Right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I love the Stalin.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Now let me hit you with this buck so Indiana
and Ohio were voting in the primaries right now. The
big story in Indiana, as we have covered, is that
the Indiana legislature chose not to redistrict because they said
they didn't want to violate norms on paraphrasing their argument,
(04:21):
and then we saw Virginia go ahead and violate all norms.
So there is a in the Senate in particular, where
the Indiana redistricting did not occur. There is a battle
over whether those Indiana state senators who refuse to redistrict
are going to be elected or whether the president is
(04:42):
going to knock them out of the out of the
Indiana Senate. So that is a story to follow. Here's
an ominous sign, Okay, Ohio. Ohio has become in many
ways a I think it's fair to say very republican state.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Trump is won it by double digits. We have two
Republican senators right now from Ohio. Let me share this
with you, Buck. Right now, in.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
The prediction markets, Democrats are favored to flip the Ohio
Senate seat back to the Democrat side, And this one
stunned me, Ohio governor. Right now, Ohio is forecast to
(05:31):
also go to the Democrats. These are live odds right now.
The Democrat Party find out the nominee Republican Party, it's
going to be vivake. Right now, Democrats are favored to
win both statewide elections in the gambling markets. Not citing polling.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
This is you go on poly market right now, you
go on Calshie, you put down real money. Right now,
Democrats are favored to win both statewide elections in Ohio.
If you're wondering about how the midterms are looking as
we sit here in early May, and again, money can
come in, they can flip, they can change the trajectory
(06:14):
of where those races are going to go. Right now,
Democrats are favored to win both statewide races in Ohio.
Let me tell you this to Buck, and this is
the primary is going on today.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
JD. Vance traveled to vote there.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So that is why Ohio's top of mind, why I
was looking at the data on Ohio coming into today's show.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Let me also.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Add this to it, Buck, if Ohio is going to
go Democrat for governor and Democrat for the Senate, we're
in trouble. Having said that, if Ohio does not flip,
Shared Brown is trying to win back the seat that
he just lost to Bernie Marino. If Ohio doesn't flip buck,
(06:56):
there's almost no math by which the Senate could be
in danger. So Ohio, a lot of you listen to Ohio, Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland.
We got big audiences in all three of those major markets.
If Ohio shows up and puts a Republican in the
Senate again, keeps the Republican in the Senate, John Houstead,
then there's basically no pathway for Democrats to win back
(07:20):
the House went back to Senate. So I do think
this story's kind of a little bit under the radar.
But the fact that this isn't a kind of locked
and loaded win for the Republican Party in both races
is the sign of a challenging midterm environment. We'll see
how Avig does. Hopefully he won't tell the people of
Ohio that he thinks that we need more foreigners to
(07:43):
do jobs because Americans are kind of lazy and don't
have a culture of winning. That wasn't good, not a
good argument, that help That was not helpful to Avike's
political brand. For those who don't know, he did make
that argument publicly on X during the h one B
Visa situation where he said, we don't elevate nerds, we
elevate the jocks in this country, which would be news
(08:05):
to Elon and Zuckerberg and Bezos and et cetera, et cetera.
It was one of the great political own goals of
all time. And he was like, why are you talking
about this, because I want to let you know why.
He's why it's competitive. It shouldn't be competitive. We should
smoke the Democrat by ten points in Ohio for the
governor's mansion.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But it's competitive.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Because you've got a guy in there that the Democrats
are going to be able to hammer. And Okay, now
you know here is this is the this is reality.
Anybody you know. I hope the Republican wins, but we're
making this way closer than it should be. And anyone
who says, oh, look what's happened in Georgia. We've run
the wrong people a few times. We've lost three win
(08:47):
We've lost three winnable Senate seats in Georgia because we
had the wrong candidate running three times.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Unfortunately, all of that is true.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And so I do think this is in early and
indicator you know if you're if you're watching and you're
driving the car and the one of the lights starts
blinking on your monitor, that's maybe a sign that you're
headed for a challenging environment.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Now it's May.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If you remember May of twenty twenty four, in the
last cycle, everybody was still saying Biden's going to be
the guy. Biden was the nominee. We hadn't even had
the Butler Pa shooting with President Trump, Biden was still
in office, Kamala one hundred and seven days hadn't even started.
(09:34):
A lot of people are just not paying that much attention.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
To me.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It always really gets rolling right around labor Day. But
if oil and gas is going to be four dollars
and thirty cents in labor day, I think a lot
of people out there are going to be gonna be
filled with trepidation. Here's the other part. We're six months
out basically from that election. I think one of the
big challenges, and one of the big questions we're going
(09:58):
to be asking for the next several years is without
Trump on the ballot. Ever, again, how many traditional Trump
voters are going to show up and continue to vote Republican.
I don't know how that's going to go. Twenty eighteen
was not great the last midterm, so again just kind
of as we come into these primary seasons. I do
(10:21):
think it's worthy of trying to take a pulse and
Ohio with a big Senate and a governor's race right now,
according to the odds market, the prediction markets, Republicans are underdogs,
and I think that's a sign of not greatness on the.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Good side, on the good side of things, to be
fair of a vic is obviously very well spoken, very
well capitalized, very good on his feet. But you know,
they've the thing that I mentioned that all of the
momentum for the Democrat has come from the Vake weighing
(10:58):
in on that issue publicly and just getting absolutely hammered,
as he should have. By the way, it was a
really incredibly stupid thing to say. And they're just the
ads they're running against them, clail, right, I mean, that's
what it's going to be. Americans are lazy and don't
have a culture of excellence, which is interesting because where's
the culture of excellence we're supposed to import into America.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm pretty sure we have a culture of excellence.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Here is the other part of this, he's running against
a COVID crazy person in Ohio. So the Democrat nominee
has got, as often is the case, pretty significant vulnerabilities
on her side as well. And so again this is
going to be a big battle as we go forward.
(11:42):
I will say on the positive side, it appears buck
that both Tennessee, Alabama, and Louisiana are going to all
redistrict based on the decision that came down in the Calais,
Louisiana Supreme Court decision on whether jerrymandering based on race
is allowed. That could potentially swing four or five seats
(12:06):
in the direction of the Republican Party. And we're continuing
to wait to hear what the Virginia Supreme Court is
going to rule on the big move that Virginia made.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know what could really affect a big swing of seats, clay,
price of gas.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, so that's not trying to solve it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Let's hope that that whole situation gets better. We're all
hoping that it just gets better, because it's up about
fifty sixty percent since we started this whole ron situation.
And yeah, just saying all right, you might notice if
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Speaker 3 (13:54):
Welcome back into Play and Buck. So we've got a
lot of talkbacks on it. Call blest get you. You
got a quick one here. Harry from San Diego, a
Cogo listener. This is talkback l hit it.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
He to that last caller. I guess he was saying
that if we're producing more and we're making more, and
we're getting more and we're selling more, why are we
still paying more?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Play? This is the wire price is going up.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
If we're the superpower that can make all the oil
we need and we have it here at home.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Domestically, this is the number one question we get. Oil
is a global commodity, so there is much like with gold,
right if you like, take away the question on oil
gold is what five thousand dollars roughly an ounce something
like that, I think are four thousand. It's gone up
a lot, so let's just say it's five thousand dollars
(14:47):
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And that might be high.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
If you were selling oil, sorry, if you were selling
gold for four thousand dollars in the United States. Because
it's a global market, people would flood in and buy
all of our four thousand dollars, all of our four
thousand dollars gold, because they'd be able to make a
thousand dollars selling it in a different country. And before
(15:10):
there was a global marketplace, sometimes you could identify inefficiencies
in the marketplace and you could buy a product for
less one place and sell it for more another. If
we sold our oil and gas for cheaper in the
United States, then it was selling for globally. Then to
(15:31):
a large extent, we would be creating a market inefficiency
and people would be able to take advantage of that,
and it would Again, there's a global price of oil
and gas. Can it vary somewhat? Yes, But if you
create a substantial difference, then the marketplace will exploit it
in either direction.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
That would be my easy answer. David in Michigan wants
to travel us. What's up, David, David.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Going once articulate and Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State,
another Cuban. I love the family story. Smart people are
moving to Florida and they're changing the demographics, you know,
and that's why we need common sense like that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So you were impressed by Speaker Perez.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Oh he was amazing, I'm telling you, so articulate, so vibrant,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
All right, thank you, David. I'm glad you enjoyed that
we met him back. He seems like a really good guy.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And uh, Florida I think has a abundance of great
leadership right now, national local, It's just a very well
run state.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think you can fairly say. Drew in Roanoke, Virginia
no longer the lost colony? What's going on? Drew?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Hey, guys, I'd like Clay's idea, but I want to
address bucks concerns and I can take it three ways
out the top of my head. First off, first thing,
if we do it technically, why not remove the crew
from the tanker where it sits currently, transport them to
the other side of the strait, radio control the tanker auto,
(17:12):
you know, autonomously through the strait. If we could set
it up that way or that doesn't work, same thing,
Remove the crew, put a skeleton crew of naval navigators
on the tanker, have them drive it through. If that's
putting our troops in way, why not use pubs front
and back like they do with cruise ships and just
pull it through the strait.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I just don't think, and thank you Drew.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I don't think anybody really wants to be on these
ships going through. I think that's the problem. I don't
think anybody's psyched. And also, even if you had a
remote controlled which would take some time to retrofit and
do all of that. By the way, Clay, you'd still
be risking the ship and the cargo, which Clay thinks
is the bigger issue. Clay's like, yeah, we might lose
some crew.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I believe the biggest issue is that the owners don't
want to put their ships through, which is why solving
that risk factor would I think, lubricate the overall transit.
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leave safety. Yesterday, you may have heard us having a
conversation President Trump's said that the blockade of Iranian ships
was the greatest military maneuver of all time, and a
(19:09):
humble guy, He's a humble guy. I would submit that
it's nowhere near the greatest military maneuver of all time.
I appreciate President Trump's enthusiasm for the blockade, and I
tossed out that I thought Chancellorsville Lee splitting his troops
for those of you that are military historians, and sending
Stonewall Jackson on a flank march to completely obliterate the
(19:33):
right flank of Joseph Hooker's army and nearly nearly obliterate
the entirety of the Union army in Chancellorsville, Buck, this
was the final major battle before Lee embarked on his
invasion that led to the Battle of Gettysburg. For those
of you that are military history nerds like me, and
(19:55):
I also think I gotta ask you something, buddy. Yeah,
I mean, I know you're from Tennessee. You know you're
generally amazing tactician and all this stuff. Grant's Vicksburg campaign.
I got someone to reach out to me v emails
that I can't believe he would just skip over Grant's
textbook war changing victory at Vicksburg in eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, so this is again interesting, Buck. July fourth, eighteen
sixty three, if I'm remembering correctly, Vicksburg surrendered to Grant,
which severed the Confederacy's ability to transit the Mississippi River.
With men and materiel, thereby helping to further strangle the
(20:42):
Confederacies with the blockade that was in place on the
eastern seaboard and the Gulf, to completely give control of
the Mississippi River to the United States. Huge win, brilliant
tactical victory.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
It's a siege, oh wow, not getting to siege the
love here not He Clay's a cavalry guy, you could
tell here. He likes the Alan, he likes the UH,
the the display of the cavalry news smart moves.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But if I'm remembering correctly, Grant was going up against Pemberton.
Pemberton is a weak strategic opponent. I actually am more
impressed with Sherman and his attack on Atlanta, which took
far longer uh to put in place than and and
really won Lincoln the eighteen sixty four election because if
(21:38):
he hadn't taken Atlanta, possibility that McClellan's crazy story. McClellan,
who Lincoln picked.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
As his initial general, ran against him on the on
the eighteen sixty four campaign, but ending the war, right, Yeah,
but think about how crazy you know, we always talk
about how there's rita on the eighteen sixty four presidential
campaign is a great book on it. Think about how
crazy it is that that Lincoln's chosen initial head of
(22:09):
the army ran against him as a Democrat on the
platform of I'm going to end the war. Yeah, I
also respect that Sherman on his way. I know it
was very rough. He was very rough, mister Sherman. But
he got outside of Savannah and they were like, he's like, well,
this is a really pretty town. I'm gonna I'm gonna
(22:30):
not take take this place to task. Kind of left Savannah.
There's a big monument to a plaque to him in
downtown Savannah that basically attested this where they were like, hey, hey,
Savannah's a nice town. Let's not get crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So also Jim burn it down, which which there was
a thought that was going to be completely destroyed because
they started the Civil War in Charleston by firing on
Fort Sumner.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, let's let let's get to it because we have
all these people that, yeah, let's get to these talks
you want to do for a listen to hear from
a Michael in Toledo, Ohio.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I would say that the greatest military action was when
they placed patent in Eastern England as a decoy for
the invasion of Europe. Units were not committed to Normandy
because they were still expecting the real invasion to be
Patent in Holland.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I'm gonna throw a flag on this.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's an intelligence that's a deception and intelligence victory, not
a like tactical, brilliant maneuver, which is what we're really
talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
That's one hundred percent right. Also, even if that were
not the case, and I agree with you, D Day
happened like D Day is kind of a big maneuver.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
That was I think you got to go D Day,
not not putting Patent as a decoy.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's a part of d kooy.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
The decoy was more successful than D Day itself.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Come on, Michael, you can do better.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Chris in Nashville, Hey, Clay Loalle Jackson's flanking maneuver at
Chancellorsville was a brilliant tactician move.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
But if you want to talk about strategies and strategies
in Civil War, Vicksburg campaigned by Grant would be the
best one ever done in that era.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I got a few people reached out. Now you're putting
that in the siege category. This is almost like is
it an action movie or a war movie? Like you
start to split hairs a bit.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And some people are gonna say, well, they had to
get to the siege by the maneuvers that Grant made
to get to the siege.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Like he floated the gunboats at night through and you
know there was some there was some serious skill that
Grant displayed.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Tranted Witsburg Grant.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
To me, the most impressive move of Grant was actually
at Shiloh when he wasn't in charge. He may have
saved the entire Union Army when they were basically in
the mix midst of a dead panic. Grant at Shiloh,
I think is maybe his most impressive.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
It wasn't a commander of the entire army, but that's
when he started to get the attention of Lincoln to
realize this guy could be a difference maker.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Eric Eric from New Jersey listening on w o R
of NYC hit C. I claim, Buck, this is Eric
from New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
The siege at Yorktown, because without that then the United States.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Never would have been born.
Speaker 9 (25:17):
I'm gonna get a little trouble here. I'm gonna get
a little trouble here. I think I think Yorktown. I
think the French take the battle on that one. I'm
just gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think without all in America's two hundred and fiftieth year,
Buck Sexton gives credit to France for the victory.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So I think without the Gen.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Lafayette, I don't think Yorktown happens the way we wanted to.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well, I will have to sign off a little bit
here for Buck. It was the French fleet off the
coast of Yorktown that marooned corn Wallace and kept him
from being able to evacuate without.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Being French fleet. It does not, full stop, does not
happen the way that it happened.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And we're talking about the greatest American but Dunkirk because
it's making me think about rescuing and.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Obviously to me, that's that's that's like saving your ass
from the fire. I don't know about that, like that's
just that that's a goal line stand. You and I
were the America were not involved in Dunkirk, but that
is maybe one of the most incredible saves of uh.
But you're forgetting thinking of how I think of how
dumb that the British had no no backup plan for this.
(26:27):
I almost lost their entire army and one fell swoop.
I mean that was not by the way. I mean,
that's the first time this had happened to them. It
was like a replay of World War One. They can't
figure this out. Think about how incredible. I think it's
a story that doesn't get told enough. They just got
on the basic radio and said, hey, if you have
a fishing boat, you got to go save the British army.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You're talking about guys risking everything.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Just random guys in fishing boats went and got as
many soldiers as.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Let me tell you, if that if that call went
out in Miami, those troops would be like I've never
seen so many beautiful, scanily clad women in my life.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I will is on those boats.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But I'm right now I would say people won't get
on those boats. There's risk mutiny.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Uh da idaho. Yes.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
I think the greatest victory for the United States was
the Siege of Vicksburg. Ensured that the Union would win
the Civil War, and the rest is history.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Confederacy not getting not getting love here, Clay not getting
loved her.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
War message board where they were like, we're gonna flood
Clay and Buck. Vicksburg's not getting enough attention I got separately.
People were just lighting me up. They're like, how dare
you let Clay not throw VI. I'm just telling you
people are all about Vicksburg. General Grant uh Russ in
Northern May. By the way, that was Dave and Idaho,
because I think I talked over the first time Buck
tried to give him credit. This is Russ in Northern Maine.
(27:49):
Uh podcast e, Hey.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Clay and Buck, this is Russ and Northern Maine. The
greatest battlefield tactic ever was performed by Joshua Chamberlain and
the twentieth Maine during the Battle of Gettysburg when they
were defending the left flank on Little Roundtop, ran out
of ammunition, and performed in maneuver that Joshua Chamberlain would
later call the Swinging Door, where they pivoted, swept down
the mountain, and kept the rebels from breaching the left flank,
(28:14):
which had they filled, likely would have lost Gettysburg, which
likely would have lost the war.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Play the floor is yours? What are you making?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It's a great I mean, for those of you who
have not seen the Battle of Gettysburg movie. If you
want to watch a movie Joshua Lawrence Chamberlaine played by
Jeff Daniels in a wide range from dumb and dumber
to the future governor of Maine leading a regiment in
the Civil War, phenomenal movie based on buck I told
(28:41):
people to read this l great book, which also takes
you into this individual charge.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's a great one.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I guess when I'm thinking of military maneuvers, I'm thinking
when I gave the Chancellorsville example, I said, bigger than
a regiment, bigger than a brigade, like an army style movement.
As this sort of testing for this, my honest, the
two that came to mind for me. But I'm not
as I'm not as much of a Civil War guy
(29:10):
as play as obviously I tend to be. The twentieth
century focused on the battles or sixteenth century Mediterranean, But
that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You skipped the four hundred years in between.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, I just I just I pick them as I
pick them, you know, I'm like, I like this, like that.
But I would say MacArthur's landing at Incheon to effectively
Recapture Soul nineteen fifty. Turn that war around. People forget
we were there was a real consideration of using nukes
against China then because the Chinese came across the Yalu River.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I know nothing about the Korean I know nothing about
that at all.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's a completely it's almost like a forgotten war, which
of course the echoes of it still haunt us today
because of the separation between North and South Korea. But
would have all been North Korea, would have all been
this Chinese sort of you know, mutant regime fiefdom that
they that they have now of the of the Kim regime.
But the landing and in Shawn was an incredible maneuver
(30:10):
to pull off and change the whole trajectory that wore.
The other one would be, uh, what is it baths Stone,
the Battle of the Bulge, to turn that around. I
think we've got one of those here us with that one.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Pierre and I love these I'm curious how many of
you are also history nerds on different levels like Buck
and I are different parts of history. I love these
talkbacks because a lot of people in the audience are
Pierre in New Berlin with New Berlin, Wisconsin, talking about
just what Buck said with Paton during World War two.
Speaker 11 (30:42):
G Yeah, a lot of people missed the Battle of
the Bulge where Patton did one hundred and eighty degree
turn to rescue the troops at bath Stone. But the
other part of that battle that was so cool was,
you know, we couldn't kill the German tanks. We couldn't
use our air power, so we just blew up all
the fuel to conquer the fuel.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
At the Stabolow fuel dumps.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
Basically, the Germans walked home and left their tanks brilliant.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's the great response when they tried to get the
American was it Matt Anthony Wayne to surrender? And he
said nuts. That was his official response when the Germans
demanded surrender. A great story. There one more and then
we'll go to break And there's tons of these. We'll
keep playing them off and on podcast listener Alex in
(31:28):
West Palm.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Beach f This is Alex in West Palm Beach. The
greatest military maneuver was the use of the Adam mom
on Nagasaki, Japan. It proved that we could do it again. Additionally,
it brought the Japanese to the surrender table. It caused
the Emperor of Japan to go on the radio and
tell all of his people to lay down your arms.
(31:49):
It was maximum effect for minimal effort.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That's a very interesting take. But like damn, Adam is rough.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Also, I would say the Manhattan Project was maximum effort,
maybe not minimum effort. I mean, coming up with the
atomic bomb kind of a big undertaking. So the actual
dropping of it from the American perspective, I would say
was a product of a maximum effort, not a minimum one.
(32:20):
But it was maximum casualties for minimum On our side,
you certainly say that part of it. See look at
how look at how much fun this stuff. But by
the way, you guys are all lighting up our inboxes
and stuff with this. We got to do like also
Favorite War Book Day or something on the show.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
This is great, by the way, all these different all
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You enjoyed our conversation there about all things military, if
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you guys to listen to over the weekend if you
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And then every email in every talkback is best American
Military maneuvers. VIP email from Jeff. Hey, guys, the Battle
of Midway change the one in the Pacific, very true.
What we take clay, three Japanese carriers down, I think,
and uh, but here's my thing about Midway.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
First of all, the movie kind of sucked, which is
a shame. It should have been good. It's not a
good movie.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
But how do you make a bad movie about such
a critical battle with planes and battleships and you know,
carrier or carriers at least. Anyway, we kind of got
lucky at Midway, like we.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Always to be fair, much of military history is not
only the story of sometimes brilliance, but often just the
other side being totally oh better.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Lucky than good is a big is a big part
of it, you know, some of I think it was
Lake Trasumine where Hannibal managed to ambush Roman legions in
an annihilation that he only surpassed with Cana, which sixty
thousand people with spears and swords and you know killed
in one day. But the double envelopment. But at Trasumene
(35:58):
there was a thick fog. Clay, Well, if you're going
to ambush people, having a thick fog by the lake
helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
What about Yeah, speaking of thick fog, what about Napoleon
setting the trap of all of the soldiers walking out
onto the frozen lake and not being aware that they
were walking onto a frozen lake, and so when the
bombardment started, they all just completely fell through the ice
and got utterly routed again. It was a trap that
(36:26):
was an incredible trap to have set, but also kind
of a big failure on the other side to put
yourself in that position. Awesome show, fill us up with talkbacks,
will continue to play them out and Rubio is going
to be speaking here momentarily. We certainly will be talking
about that go vote in Ohio and Indiana and big
(36:49):
debate on the California governor tonight on CNN.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
We'll break all that down for you tomorrow, speaking truth
and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Welcome back in out number three play Travis buck Sexton show.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A lot of different.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Emails calls rolling in as we are rolling into the
third hour. Where have we gone so far today? Pete
Hegseth and General Cain had a press conference early this morning.
President Trump had a press conference, took questions inside of
the Oval Office just a bit ago. He has a
(00:27):
bunch of elementary school kids doing a presidential fitness challenge
as he is bringing back that challenge that so many
of you, not including Block however, might have remembered doing
when you were in elementary school. And right now they
are on the South lawn and I just saw a
video posted of legendary golfer Gary Player competing in a
(00:49):
push up contest against current top golfer Bryson Deschambeau. So
that is what is going on right now there. Indiana
and Ohio primaries occurring as we speak. Tennessee having a
hearing on redistricting as Alabama also prepares to redistrict. Pete
(01:12):
Hegseth talking about Comiccazi dolphins. We have talked about that.
I have floated my insurance idea on the strait of
horror moves as a way to get ships moving and
potentially bring down rapidly the price of oil and gas.
And you just heard from Daniel Perez, who is the
speaker of the Florida House, about the new map that
(01:34):
Florida has put in place. All of those stories moving, buck.
I wanted to get into.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
You mentioned a little bit earlier the redistricting battle and
the I would say hard to describe it as anything
other than a shot across the bow that came from
the in the Supreme Court having to do with the
Louisiana redistricting case that they just heard Katanji Brown Jackson
(02:02):
versus Justice Alito. I'll play I'll read a bit of
that for you. But this is actually a great email
from a VIP just shared by producer Ali. This is
from Jeremy. I think the insurance issue for shipping can
be fixed pretty easily. There is roughly one hundred billion
dollars in Iranian money that has been confiscated held around
(02:25):
the world by sanctions. If they break it, they buy it.
Use those funds to pay for damages caused by Iran,
not just for shipping. For the UAE Saudi's Israelis guaranteed
funds for those affected will fix many issues. Love that idea,
and right now those are frozen funds. It's a great
idea from Jeremy and say the United States will provide
(02:49):
the insurance and the backing in the event that there
are any ships attacked. Effectively, Iran would pay for any
issues that might arise for the ships through conface skated
funds that we already have. If Aaron makes the decision
to take that direction. So that is that's out there.
I like that suggestion from vip email or Jeremy.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This is like.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
The scene from Enemy at the Gates where the Soviet
officers are sending men into battle against the very well
armed and trained Nazis, and the Soviets are given one
rifle for two men with the idea clay that. Well,
(03:36):
when the guy with the rifle gets killed, you pick
up his rifle and fight. So you're just saying, look,
is every tanker gonna make it through? Probably not, but
if you will, I see where your head's out on
this one. All right, let me go into this redistricting you, yeah,
which is real quick.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You've seen that movie? Right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I love the Stalin.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Now let me hit you with this buck so Indiana
and Ohio were voting in the primaries right now. The
big story in Indiana, as we have covered, is that
the Indiana legislature chose not to redistrict because they said
they didn't want to violate norms on paraphrasing their argument,
(04:21):
and then we saw Virginia go ahead and violate all norms.
So there is a in the Senate in particular, where
the Indiana redistricting did not occur. There is a battle
over whether those Indiana state senators who refuse to redistrict
are going to be elected or whether the president is
(04:42):
going to knock them out of the out of the
Indiana Senate. So that is a story to follow. Here's
an ominous sign, Okay, Ohio. Ohio has become in many
ways a I think it's fair to say very republican state.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Trump is won it by double digits. We have two
Republican senators right now from Ohio. Let me share this
with you, Buck. Right now, in.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
The prediction markets, Democrats are favored to flip the Ohio
Senate seat back to the Democrat side, And this one
stunned me, Ohio governor. Right now, Ohio is forecast to
(05:31):
also go to the Democrats. These are live odds right now.
The Democrat Party find out the nominee Republican Party, it's
going to be vivake. Right now, Democrats are favored to
win both statewide elections in the gambling markets. Not citing polling.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
This is you go on poly market right now, you
go on Calshie, you put down real money. Right now,
Democrats are favored to win both statewide elections in Ohio.
If you're wondering about how the midterms are looking as
we sit here in early May, and again, money can
come in, they can flip, they can change the trajectory
(06:14):
of where those races are going to go. Right now,
Democrats are favored to win both statewide races in Ohio.
Let me tell you this to Buck, and this is
the primary is going on today.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
JD. Vance traveled to vote there.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So that is why Ohio's top of mind, why I
was looking at the data on Ohio coming into today's show.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Let me also.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Add this to it, Buck, if Ohio is going to
go Democrat for governor and Democrat for the Senate, we're
in trouble. Having said that, if Ohio does not flip,
Shared Brown is trying to win back the seat that
he just lost to Bernie Marino. If Ohio doesn't flip buck,
(06:56):
there's almost no math by which the Senate could be
in danger. So Ohio, a lot of you listen to Ohio, Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland.
We got big audiences in all three of those major markets.
If Ohio shows up and puts a Republican in the
Senate again, keeps the Republican in the Senate, John Houstead,
then there's basically no pathway for Democrats to win back
(07:20):
the House went back to Senate. So I do think
this story's kind of a little bit under the radar.
But the fact that this isn't a kind of locked
and loaded win for the Republican Party in both races
is the sign of a challenging midterm environment. We'll see
how Avig does. Hopefully he won't tell the people of
Ohio that he thinks that we need more foreigners to
(07:43):
do jobs because Americans are kind of lazy and don't
have a culture of winning. That wasn't good, not a
good argument, that help That was not helpful to Avike's
political brand. For those who don't know, he did make
that argument publicly on X during the h one B
Visa situation where he said, we don't elevate nerds, we
elevate the jocks in this country, which would be news
(08:05):
to Elon and Zuckerberg and Bezos and et cetera, et cetera.
It was one of the great political own goals of
all time. And he was like, why are you talking
about this, because I want to let you know why.
He's why it's competitive. It shouldn't be competitive. We should
smoke the Democrat by ten points in Ohio for the
governor's mansion.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But it's competitive.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Because you've got a guy in there that the Democrats
are going to be able to hammer. And Okay, now
you know here is this is the this is reality.
Anybody you know. I hope the Republican wins, but we're
making this way closer than it should be. And anyone
who says, oh, look what's happened in Georgia. We've run
the wrong people a few times. We've lost three win
(08:47):
We've lost three winnable Senate seats in Georgia because we
had the wrong candidate running three times.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Unfortunately, all of that is true.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And so I do think this is in early and
indicator you know if you're if you're watching and you're
driving the car and the one of the lights starts
blinking on your monitor, that's maybe a sign that you're
headed for a challenging environment.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Now it's May.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If you remember May of twenty twenty four, in the
last cycle, everybody was still saying Biden's going to be
the guy. Biden was the nominee. We hadn't even had
the Butler Pa shooting with President Trump, Biden was still
in office, Kamala one hundred and seven days hadn't even started.
(09:34):
A lot of people are just not paying that much attention.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
To me.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It always really gets rolling right around labor Day. But
if oil and gas is going to be four dollars
and thirty cents in labor day, I think a lot
of people out there are going to be gonna be
filled with trepidation. Here's the other part. We're six months
out basically from that election. I think one of the
big challenges, and one of the big questions we're going
(09:58):
to be asking for the next several years is without
Trump on the ballot. Ever, again, how many traditional Trump
voters are going to show up and continue to vote Republican.
I don't know how that's going to go. Twenty eighteen
was not great the last midterm, so again just kind
of as we come into these primary seasons. I do
(10:21):
think it's worthy of trying to take a pulse and
Ohio with a big Senate and a governor's race right now,
according to the odds market, the prediction markets, Republicans are underdogs,
and I think that's a sign of not greatness on the.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Good side, on the good side of things, to be
fair of a vic is obviously very well spoken, very
well capitalized, very good on his feet. But you know,
they've the thing that I mentioned that all of the
momentum for the Democrat has come from the Vake weighing
(10:58):
in on that issue publicly and just getting absolutely hammered,
as he should have. By the way, it was a
really incredibly stupid thing to say. And they're just the
ads they're running against them, clail, right, I mean, that's
what it's going to be. Americans are lazy and don't
have a culture of excellence, which is interesting because where's
the culture of excellence we're supposed to import into America.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm pretty sure we have a culture of excellence.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Here is the other part of this, he's running against
a COVID crazy person in Ohio. So the Democrat nominee
has got, as often is the case, pretty significant vulnerabilities
on her side as well. And so again this is
going to be a big battle as we go forward.
(11:42):
I will say on the positive side, it appears buck
that both Tennessee, Alabama, and Louisiana are going to all
redistrict based on the decision that came down in the Calais,
Louisiana Supreme Court decision on whether jerrymandering based on race
is allowed. That could potentially swing four or five seats
(12:06):
in the direction of the Republican Party. And we're continuing
to wait to hear what the Virginia Supreme Court is
going to rule on the big move that Virginia made.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know what could really affect a big swing of seats, clay,
price of gas.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, so that's not trying to solve it.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Let's hope that that whole situation gets better. We're all
hoping that it just gets better, because it's up about
fifty sixty percent since we started this whole ron situation.
And yeah, just saying all right, you might notice if
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Speaker 3 (13:54):
Welcome back into Play and Buck. So we've got a
lot of talkbacks on it. Call blest get you. You
got a quick one here. Harry from San Diego, a
Cogo listener. This is talkback l hit it.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
He to that last caller. I guess he was saying
that if we're producing more and we're making more, and
we're getting more and we're selling more, why are we
still paying more?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Play? This is the wire price is going up.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
If we're the superpower that can make all the oil
we need and we have it here at home.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Domestically, this is the number one question we get. Oil
is a global commodity, so there is much like with gold,
right if you like, take away the question on oil
gold is what five thousand dollars roughly an ounce something
like that, I think are four thousand. It's gone up
a lot, so let's just say it's five thousand dollars
(14:47):
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And that might be high.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
If you were selling oil, sorry, if you were selling
gold for four thousand dollars in the United States. Because
it's a global market, people would flood in and buy
all of our four thousand dollars, all of our four
thousand dollars gold, because they'd be able to make a
thousand dollars selling it in a different country. And before
(15:10):
there was a global marketplace, sometimes you could identify inefficiencies
in the marketplace and you could buy a product for
less one place and sell it for more another. If
we sold our oil and gas for cheaper in the
United States, then it was selling for globally. Then to
(15:31):
a large extent, we would be creating a market inefficiency
and people would be able to take advantage of that,
and it would Again, there's a global price of oil
and gas. Can it vary somewhat? Yes, But if you
create a substantial difference, then the marketplace will exploit it
in either direction.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
That would be my easy answer. David in Michigan wants
to travel us. What's up, David, David.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Going once articulate and Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State,
another Cuban. I love the family story. Smart people are
moving to Florida and they're changing the demographics, you know,
and that's why we need common sense like that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So you were impressed by Speaker Perez.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Oh he was amazing, I'm telling you, so articulate, so vibrant,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
All right, thank you, David. I'm glad you enjoyed that
we met him back. He seems like a really good guy.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And uh, Florida I think has a abundance of great
leadership right now, national local, It's just a very well
run state.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think you can fairly say. Drew in Roanoke, Virginia
no longer the lost colony? What's going on? Drew?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Hey, guys, I'd like Clay's idea, but I want to
address bucks concerns and I can take it three ways
out the top of my head. First off, first thing,
if we do it technically, why not remove the crew
from the tanker where it sits currently, transport them to
the other side of the strait, radio control the tanker auto,
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you know, autonomously through the strait. If we could set
it up that way or that doesn't work, same thing,
Remove the crew, put a skeleton crew of naval navigators
on the tanker, have them drive it through. If that's
putting our troops in way, why not use pubs front
and back like they do with cruise ships and just
pull it through the strait.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I just don't think, and thank you Drew.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I don't think anybody really wants to be on these
ships going through. I think that's the problem. I don't
think anybody's psyched. And also, even if you had a
remote controlled which would take some time to retrofit and
do all of that. By the way, Clay, you'd still
be risking the ship and the cargo, which Clay thinks
is the bigger issue. Clay's like, yeah, we might lose
some crew.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I believe the biggest issue is that the owners don't
want to put their ships through, which is why solving
that risk factor would I think, lubricate the overall transit.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
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conversation President Trump's said that the blockade of Iranian ships
was the greatest military maneuver of all time, and a
(19:09):
humble guy, He's a humble guy. I would submit that
it's nowhere near the greatest military maneuver of all time.
I appreciate President Trump's enthusiasm for the blockade, and I
tossed out that I thought Chancellorsville Lee splitting his troops
for those of you that are military historians, and sending
Stonewall Jackson on a flank march to completely obliterate the
(19:33):
right flank of Joseph Hooker's army and nearly nearly obliterate
the entirety of the Union army in Chancellorsville, Buck, this
was the final major battle before Lee embarked on his
invasion that led to the Battle of Gettysburg. For those
of you that are military history nerds like me, and
(19:55):
I also think I gotta ask you something, buddy. Yeah,
I mean, I know you're from Tennessee. You know you're
generally amazing tactician and all this stuff. Grant's Vicksburg campaign.
I got someone to reach out to me v emails
that I can't believe he would just skip over Grant's
textbook war changing victory at Vicksburg in eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, so this is again interesting, Buck. July fourth, eighteen
sixty three, if I'm remembering correctly, Vicksburg surrendered to Grant,
which severed the Confederacy's ability to transit the Mississippi River.
With men and materiel, thereby helping to further strangle the
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Confederacies with the blockade that was in place on the
eastern seaboard and the Gulf, to completely give control of
the Mississippi River to the United States. Huge win, brilliant
tactical victory.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
It's a siege, oh wow, not getting to siege the
love here not He Clay's a cavalry guy, you could
tell here. He likes the Alan, he likes the UH,
the the display of the cavalry news smart moves.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But if I'm remembering correctly, Grant was going up against Pemberton.
Pemberton is a weak strategic opponent. I actually am more
impressed with Sherman and his attack on Atlanta, which took
far longer uh to put in place than and and
really won Lincoln the eighteen sixty four election because if
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he hadn't taken Atlanta, possibility that McClellan's crazy story. McClellan,
who Lincoln picked.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
As his initial general, ran against him on the on
the eighteen sixty four campaign, but ending the war, right, Yeah,
but think about how crazy you know, we always talk
about how there's rita on the eighteen sixty four presidential
campaign is a great book on it. Think about how
crazy it is that that Lincoln's chosen initial head of
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the army ran against him as a Democrat on the
platform of I'm going to end the war. Yeah, I
also respect that Sherman on his way. I know it
was very rough. He was very rough, mister Sherman. But
he got outside of Savannah and they were like, he's like, well,
this is a really pretty town. I'm gonna I'm gonna
(22:30):
not take take this place to task. Kind of left Savannah.
There's a big monument to a plaque to him in
downtown Savannah that basically attested this where they were like, hey, hey,
Savannah's a nice town. Let's not get crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So also Jim burn it down, which which there was
a thought that was going to be completely destroyed because
they started the Civil War in Charleston by firing on
Fort Sumner.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, let's let let's get to it because we have
all these people that, yeah, let's get to these talks
you want to do for a listen to hear from
a Michael in Toledo, Ohio.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I would say that the greatest military action was when
they placed patent in Eastern England as a decoy for
the invasion of Europe. Units were not committed to Normandy
because they were still expecting the real invasion to be
Patent in Holland.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I'm gonna throw a flag on this.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's an intelligence that's a deception and intelligence victory, not
a like tactical, brilliant maneuver, which is what we're really
talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
That's one hundred percent right. Also, even if that were
not the case, and I agree with you, D Day
happened like D Day is kind of a big maneuver.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
That was I think you got to go D Day,
not not putting Patent as a decoy.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's a part of d kooy.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
The decoy was more successful than D Day itself.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Come on, Michael, you can do better.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Chris in Nashville, Hey, Clay Loalle Jackson's flanking maneuver at
Chancellorsville was a brilliant tactician move.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
But if you want to talk about strategies and strategies
in Civil War, Vicksburg campaigned by Grant would be the
best one ever done in that era.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I got a few people reached out. Now you're putting
that in the siege category. This is almost like is
it an action movie or a war movie? Like you
start to split hairs a bit.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And some people are gonna say, well, they had to
get to the siege by the maneuvers that Grant made
to get to the siege.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Like he floated the gunboats at night through and you
know there was some there was some serious skill that
Grant displayed.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Tranted Witsburg Grant.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
To me, the most impressive move of Grant was actually
at Shiloh when he wasn't in charge. He may have
saved the entire Union Army when they were basically in
the mix midst of a dead panic. Grant at Shiloh,
I think is maybe his most impressive.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
It wasn't a commander of the entire army, but that's
when he started to get the attention of Lincoln to
realize this guy could be a difference maker.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Eric Eric from New Jersey listening on w o R
of NYC hit C. I claim, Buck, this is Eric
from New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
The siege at Yorktown, because without that then the United States.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Never would have been born.
Speaker 9 (25:17):
I'm gonna get a little trouble here. I'm gonna get
a little trouble here. I think I think Yorktown. I
think the French take the battle on that one. I'm
just gonna say it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think without all in America's two hundred and fiftieth year,
Buck Sexton gives credit to France for the victory.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So I think without the Gen.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Lafayette, I don't think Yorktown happens the way we wanted to.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well, I will have to sign off a little bit
here for Buck. It was the French fleet off the
coast of Yorktown that marooned corn Wallace and kept him
from being able to evacuate without.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Being French fleet. It does not, full stop, does not
happen the way that it happened.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
And we're talking about the greatest American but Dunkirk because
it's making me think about rescuing and.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Obviously to me, that's that's that's like saving your ass
from the fire. I don't know about that, like that's
just that that's a goal line stand. You and I
were the America were not involved in Dunkirk, but that
is maybe one of the most incredible saves of uh.
But you're forgetting thinking of how I think of how
dumb that the British had no no backup plan for this.
(26:27):
I almost lost their entire army and one fell swoop.
I mean that was not by the way. I mean,
that's the first time this had happened to them. It
was like a replay of World War One. They can't
figure this out. Think about how incredible. I think it's
a story that doesn't get told enough. They just got
on the basic radio and said, hey, if you have
a fishing boat, you got to go save the British army.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You're talking about guys risking everything.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Just random guys in fishing boats went and got as
many soldiers as.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Let me tell you, if that if that call went
out in Miami, those troops would be like I've never
seen so many beautiful, scanily clad women in my life.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I will is on those boats.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But I'm right now I would say people won't get
on those boats. There's risk mutiny.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Uh da idaho. Yes.
Speaker 10 (27:12):
I think the greatest victory for the United States was
the Siege of Vicksburg. Ensured that the Union would win
the Civil War, and the rest is history.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Confederacy not getting not getting love here, Clay not getting
loved her.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
War message board where they were like, we're gonna flood
Clay and Buck. Vicksburg's not getting enough attention I got separately.
People were just lighting me up. They're like, how dare
you let Clay not throw VI. I'm just telling you
people are all about Vicksburg. General Grant uh Russ in
Northern May. By the way, that was Dave and Idaho,
because I think I talked over the first time Buck
tried to give him credit. This is Russ in Northern Maine.
(27:49):
Uh podcast e, Hey.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
Clay and Buck, this is Russ and Northern Maine. The
greatest battlefield tactic ever was performed by Joshua Chamberlain and
the twentieth Maine during the Battle of Gettysburg when they
were defending the left flank on Little Roundtop, ran out
of ammunition, and performed in maneuver that Joshua Chamberlain would
later call the Swinging Door, where they pivoted, swept down
the mountain, and kept the rebels from breaching the left flank,
(28:14):
which had they filled, likely would have lost Gettysburg, which
likely would have lost the war.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Play the floor is yours? What are you making?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It's a great I mean, for those of you who
have not seen the Battle of Gettysburg movie. If you
want to watch a movie Joshua Lawrence Chamberlaine played by
Jeff Daniels in a wide range from dumb and dumber
to the future governor of Maine leading a regiment in
the Civil War, phenomenal movie based on buck I told
(28:41):
people to read this l great book, which also takes
you into this individual charge.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's a great one.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I guess when I'm thinking of military maneuvers, I'm thinking
when I gave the Chancellorsville example, I said, bigger than
a regiment, bigger than a brigade, like an army style movement.
As this sort of testing for this, my honest, the
two that came to mind for me. But I'm not
as I'm not as much of a Civil War guy
(29:10):
as play as obviously I tend to be. The twentieth
century focused on the battles or sixteenth century Mediterranean, But
that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You skipped the four hundred years in between.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, I just I just I pick them as I
pick them, you know, I'm like, I like this, like that.
But I would say MacArthur's landing at Incheon to effectively
Recapture Soul nineteen fifty. Turn that war around. People forget
we were there was a real consideration of using nukes
against China then because the Chinese came across the Yalu River.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I know nothing about the Korean I know nothing about
that at all.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's a completely it's almost like a forgotten war, which
of course the echoes of it still haunt us today
because of the separation between North and South Korea. But
would have all been North Korea, would have all been
this Chinese sort of you know, mutant regime fiefdom that
they that they have now of the of the Kim regime.
But the landing and in Shawn was an incredible maneuver
(30:10):
to pull off and change the whole trajectory that wore.
The other one would be, uh, what is it baths Stone,
the Battle of the Bulge, to turn that around. I
think we've got one of those here us with that one.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Pierre and I love these I'm curious how many of
you are also history nerds on different levels like Buck
and I are different parts of history. I love these
talkbacks because a lot of people in the audience are
Pierre in New Berlin with New Berlin, Wisconsin, talking about
just what Buck said with Paton during World War two.
Speaker 11 (30:42):
G Yeah, a lot of people missed the Battle of
the Bulge where Patton did one hundred and eighty degree
turn to rescue the troops at bath Stone. But the
other part of that battle that was so cool was,
you know, we couldn't kill the German tanks. We couldn't
use our air power, so we just blew up all
the fuel to conquer the fuel.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
At the Stabolow fuel dumps.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
Basically, the Germans walked home and left their tanks brilliant.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's the great response when they tried to get the
American was it Matt Anthony Wayne to surrender? And he
said nuts. That was his official response when the Germans
demanded surrender. A great story. There one more and then
we'll go to break And there's tons of these. We'll
keep playing them off and on podcast listener Alex in
(31:28):
West Palm.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Beach f This is Alex in West Palm Beach. The
greatest military maneuver was the use of the Adam mom
on Nagasaki, Japan. It proved that we could do it again. Additionally,
it brought the Japanese to the surrender table. It caused
the Emperor of Japan to go on the radio and
tell all of his people to lay down your arms.
(31:49):
It was maximum effect for minimal effort.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That's a very interesting take. But like damn, Adam is rough.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Also, I would say the Manhattan Project was maximum effort,
maybe not minimum effort. I mean, coming up with the
atomic bomb kind of a big undertaking. So the actual
dropping of it from the American perspective, I would say
was a product of a maximum effort, not a minimum one.
(32:20):
But it was maximum casualties for minimum On our side,
you certainly say that part of it. See look at
how look at how much fun this stuff. But by
the way, you guys are all lighting up our inboxes
and stuff with this. We got to do like also
Favorite War Book Day or something on the show.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
This is great, by the way, all these different all
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You enjoyed our conversation there about all things military, if
you want to weigh in on that at the end,
we'll put that out as a separate little podcast for
you guys to listen to over the weekend if you
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us more of your thoughts. Clay and I could do
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Military maneuvers. VIP email from Jeff. Hey, guys, the Battle
of Midway change the one in the Pacific, very true.
What we take clay, three Japanese carriers down, I think,
and uh, but here's my thing about Midway.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
First of all, the movie kind of sucked, which is
a shame. It should have been good. It's not a
good movie.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
But how do you make a bad movie about such
a critical battle with planes and battleships and you know,
carrier or carriers at least. Anyway, we kind of got
lucky at Midway, like we.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Always to be fair, much of military history is not
only the story of sometimes brilliance, but often just the
other side being totally oh better.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Lucky than good is a big is a big part
of it, you know, some of I think it was
Lake Trasumine where Hannibal managed to ambush Roman legions in
an annihilation that he only surpassed with Cana, which sixty
thousand people with spears and swords and you know killed
in one day. But the double envelopment. But at Trasumene
(35:58):
there was a thick fog. Clay, Well, if you're going
to ambush people, having a thick fog by the lake
helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
What about Yeah, speaking of thick fog, what about Napoleon
setting the trap of all of the soldiers walking out
onto the frozen lake and not being aware that they
were walking onto a frozen lake, and so when the
bombardment started, they all just completely fell through the ice
and got utterly routed again. It was a trap that
(36:26):
was an incredible trap to have set, but also kind
of a big failure on the other side to put
yourself in that position. Awesome show, fill us up with talkbacks,
will continue to play them out and Rubio is going
to be speaking here momentarily. We certainly will be talking
about that go vote in Ohio and Indiana and big
(36:49):
debate on the California governor tonight on CNN.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
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