Nation States: Grading the Trump-Xi Summit After Washington

A state dinner and red-carpet diplomacy made headlines, but Steve Yates focuses on the real scorecard after Xi Jinping’s visit to Washington. From the temporary trade truce and AI competition to Taiwan deterrence, Iran’s oil lifeline, and the case of Jimmy Lai, he examines what Beijing gained, what Washington held firm on, and where key questions remain unresolved. The central test is not symbolism, but implementation.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Nation States with Yates, where we aim to
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with your friends, family, neighbors, and especially those you elect
to represent you. Today, we're going to take a dive

(00:23):
into after Xi Jinping left Washington, what's the scorecard on Taiwan, Iran,
and and the two-month truce on trade. Last week, we
previewed the visit. This week, we'll grade the visit. Xi
Jinping came to Washington. The cameras loved it. The state
dinner was gold-plated. The White House called it friendship, strength,

(00:45):
and success. That's the postcard. Now let's grade the work.
Same question we asked after United Nations last week. Did
the work get done? Not the arrival ceremony, not the
pandalone and the tea ceremony. Five items. Number one, the
two-month trade truce. Number two, chips and so-called superintelligence. Number three, Taiwan,

(01:09):
the wording, fight, and the frozen arms package. Number four, Iran,
Chinese oil, and the Strait of Hormuz. Number five, Jimmy
Lai and the people Beijing still holds. The press is
already calling this a tale of two straits, Hormuz as
leverage for Beijing, Taiwan as leverage for Washington. That's why

(01:30):
it matters on Main Street, because if China is still
buying Iranian oil, still squeezing rare earths, still holding a
78-year-old publisher in a cell, and still trying to talk
America out of arming a democracy that makes the world's chips,
then the dinner was lovely and the ledger remains a
work in progress. So with that, thank you for coming

(01:53):
along for today's deep dive. We're going to take a
brief break. Thank you again for liking, sharing, subscribing, downloading,
all the wonderful things. Please continue to do so and
stick with us. Come back on the other side of
this break for our deep dive on after Xi Jinping
left Washington. Welcome back to Nation States with Yates. Today,

(02:16):
we're going to take a deep dive on the U.S.-China
relationship focused on after Xi Jinping left Washington, D.C., what's
the scorecard? We've laid out an agenda that helps keep
track of the key areas that were in play. You've
probably seen all the news and you heard it here,
what we were watching for. So let's take stock on

(02:37):
really where things go from here, what you can be
watching in the weeks and months ahead. I told you
before Xi Jinping landed not to confuse hospitality with delivery.
President Trump rolled out the red carpet on purpose. He
wants to show some sincerity. Style and pizzazz, he likes
the flourishes of diplomacy, and he emphasizes the personal relationship

(03:01):
with his counterpart as a doorway through which he can
engage in negotiations. He greeted Xi Jinping at Joint Base Andrews.
Folks made a big deal of that because presidents don't
usually do that. In fact, the last time a president
did that, it was for the pope, not the leader
of the world's most populous communist nation. So it got
some burps and tickles in response. He hosted a state

(03:24):
dinner packed with America's top tech titans. High net worth room,
lots of tech conversations around artificial intelligence and supply chains
and export controls to be had in that room. President
had the White House say he will forge relationships with
anyone in order to advance our national interests and make

(03:47):
good deals for the American people. That's pretty much Trumpism,
term one, term two. After 10 years, we ought to
be used to that bite now. That's the right instinct.
But if and only if the deal is real. That's
our bottom line when it comes to negotiating with China.
My colleagues at the Heritage Foundation put it the way

(04:07):
I still put it. Treat a Trump-Xi summit as a
compliance checkpoint, not a reset. Not a new world order,
a checkpoint. Did Beijing do what it promised last fall
at the Busan summit around APEC? Did Washington keep the
red lines that actually protect American workers, American ships, and

(04:27):
American allies? Because Xi did not fly across the Pacific
for the banquet. He came to lock in some time,
some strategic breathing space, maybe a softening on U.S. language
on Taiwan, and to keep that $ 14 billion arms package
in the freezer and walk out looking like he was
the adult in the room. Well, Washington came to the

(04:50):
meeting to keep a trade truce on a short leash.
keep advanced chips out of the People's Liberation Army's hands,
and to get China to back away from its enduring
support for Iran. They've been fueling the Russian war machine
and Iran's war of resistance against us. Those two shopping

(05:11):
lists were never going to produce a grand bargain. Our
systems are just too different and not really aligned for
a breakthrough at the moment, but the visit could produce
a scorecard. So we'll go through those. Item one on
the scorecard, a two-month truce. My grade for that? Incomplete.

(05:33):
Short leash, not a victory lap. So what am I
talking about here? Treasury Secretary Besant said the quiet part
out loud. The old truce was set to blow up
in November. Beijing wanted a long runway. They're thinking maybe
the end of the Trump administration. So they could then
run out the clock. Some folks floated six months instead.

(05:58):
Some wanted it to basically go almost forever. What they
got was a couple of months until January 10th. Secretary
Besson's line was it gives both sides more time to
see what we can do on the economic front. That's
a polite way of saying they haven't really implemented enough
yet So we're going to have a few more compliance

(06:20):
checkpoints before we agree to extend the truth any further.
Our U.S. trade representative, Jameson Greer, said what every farmer
and factory manager should tape to his fridge. We view
these periods as compliance periods, not peace, compliance. They'll watch

(06:40):
whether China actually buys the farm goods it promised. They'll
watch whether rare earth magnets show up on time. Then
will reassess and determine whether or not to continue the
period of relative peace. That's how you talk to a
counterpart that's broken promises before. Now, to give credit where
credit is due, the U.S. Trade Representative says the new

(07:03):
Board of Trade is unlocking improved market access for about 30%
of U.S. exports to China— farm goods, seafood, cosmetics, medical devices—
They're talking tariff relief on about $ 30 billion of non-sensitive
goods both ways. That non-sensitive caveat is an important one.

(07:27):
Let's pause on that for a second because we talk
about trade with China, it gets to be big numbers,
and we're not really worried about trying to slow down
the trade in things that can't strangle us in a
time of conflict or crisis or are sensitive to military
or homeland security issues. So those parts are where the

(07:48):
tariffs have gone down a good bit. Last year, we
ran about $ 400 billion of two-way trade. This $ 30 billion
in non-sensitive goods is a little less than 10% of that.
So some forward progress. The White House materials set out
around the meetings still tout the soybeans, Boeing aircraft, beef licenses,

(08:10):
coal purchases, and a shrinking goods deficit with China. That's
good news. U.S. trade representative posted that the goods deficit
with China is down nearly 40% under its America First
trade policy. Think of that. That's the largest trade deficit
we have in the world, down 40% in just under
two years. That's worth celebrating. If you grow soy in Iowa,

(08:35):
run a packing plant, or build airplanes in South Carolina,
that's way more than nothing. China's hitting the soybeans number,
but it's lagging on other foreign purchases. The $ 17 billion
bucket Besant flagged is the remainder that's got to get
filled in. That's the compliance checkpoint. Rare earth shipments recovered,

(08:56):
but then sagged again. Another compliance checkpoint. The two sides
still tell different stories about coal, investment boards, and what
was actually bought. Beijing wanted a long truce so factories
could plan. Washington gave them a hall pass until January.
with two more leader meetings already on the calendar, Shenzhen,
China in November, Miami, Florida in December. So here is

(09:20):
the Main Street translation. Prices and supply chains get a
winter without another tariff shock. Farmers get another chance to
move product. China does not get a haul pass through 2028.
This is a holding action, not a settlement. If rare
earths stay tight, the extra farm buys stay late. January 10th,

(09:41):
It's not a ceremony. It's a deadline. Item number one,
forward progress but incomplete. So, that's trade. Item two, chips
and superintelligence. Grade there, America held the line on chips.
The dialogue is just a dialogue. They announced an American...
artificial intelligence dialogue, or as the president would like to say,

(10:03):
superintelligence dialogue. They announced a channel to deal with incidents,
sort of a hotline out of the Cold War on
military terms, but this time on tech terms. Next meeting, November.
That's the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Summit. that this year's host
is China in the very southern part of the country,

(10:24):
right next to Hong Kong. President Trump wants to call
it superintelligence. Beijing's readout calls it artificial intelligence. That tells
you just about everything. Washington is naming the race. Beijing
is trying to sit in the room without giving up
its theft. Remember what the administration already said it would do.
Protect American models from Chinese theft and keep the most

(10:47):
advanced ships from going to China. Good. Hold the line.
The Heritage Foundation, my colleagues, have been blunt about this
for years. Advanced American technology should never be used to
strengthen China's military or surveillance state. Just ask yourself a
common sense question. Does it make sense for America to
be empowering and enabling the one military on the world

(11:09):
that really presents an existential challenge to the United States?
Should be a hard no. Did the summit punch a
hole in that wall? No public evidence that it did.
Export controls were not laid on the table as a gift.
That matters because a chip is not a gadget. The
chip is the factory of the next decade, and we've
got to win that decade. Taiwan makes the majority of

(11:33):
the world's semiconductors and the overwhelming share of the advanced ones.
It's not a trivia question. That's why the fight in
the Taiwan Straits is a fight about your car, your phone,
your hospital, your power grid, and the weapons that keep
the peace. It's also a fight against economic catastrophe, the
likes of which the world has never known because make

(11:54):
no bones about it. China moves with aggression against Taiwan.
Markets will react a hundred times more harshly than they
have over the Strait of Hormuz. Our good friend Buck
Sexton put it straight on the AI race, and I
agree with him. Frontier AI will not be regulated into
a NAP by governments and the top companies that will

(12:17):
not hold themselves back for safety while the other side sprints.
There's just too much at stake. Global competition makes fake
restraint impossible. So a dialogue can keep two nuclear-armed governments
from flying blind, but it can't substitute for winning. And
that's our only option. President Trump told reporters he's not

(12:38):
looking to integrate because America's leading. When you're leading, you
don't open it up. Keep that sentence on the file.
A talk shop in November is fine. A quiet easing
of chip controls would be a strategic own goal. So
on item two, passing grade on maintaining the wall, incomplete
on the race. It goes on. Item three, Taiwan. The

(13:02):
wording and the weapons. Grade on that front, the wording held.
Weapons still frozen. This is the live wire. Beijing's readout
was not shy. Xi told President Trump he hopes the
United States will adhere to the correct position of opposing
Taiwan independence and handle Taiwan with prudence, as he put it.

(13:25):
That's not the American sentence. The American sentence for decades
has been, we do not support independence. We also do
not accept Beijing swallowing a free people by force. Under
the Taiwan Relations Act, passed by Congress and signed into law,
the United States considers a peaceful resolution a vital interest,
and we provide Taiwan's the mean to defend itself. Those

(13:48):
are not magic words from a think tank. They're the law.
Oppose independence is Beijing's upgrade. It's the sentence they want
printed in the American forehead so they can tell the
region Washington just moved. The White House fact sheet did
not print Taiwan at all. President Trump after the meeting
said they didn't talk about it too much. Right now,

(14:10):
it's fine. It's just moving along. He understands very well
how I feel, is the way President Trump put it
about Xi Jinping, understanding where President Trump's bottom lines are.
Our ambassador to China, David Perdue, went on television and said,
policy had not changed. His line is the one you
should remember. We do not support independence, but we really

(14:31):
don't support coercion either. Okay, good enough. Say it again,
say it in public, say it in Asia. because the
wording fight is only half the story. The other half
is steel. Last December, this administration approved $ 11 billion in
arms sales for Taiwan, the largest package since 1979. Congress
then cleared a second package, about $ 14 billion, built around

(14:55):
unglorious stuff that actually stops an invasion. Air defense, anti-ship, anti-drone.
That second package is still sitting at the president's desk.
After the May meeting in Beijing, The president called it
a very good negotiating chip. He said he was holding
it in abeyance and that it depends on China. Not

(15:17):
super fan of that formulation. Secretary Rubio said the delay
is about American production. When we sell something, that means
we don't have it anymore. Thinking about the Iran file
and where things have been used in the broader Middle East.
The war with Iran has burned through magazines. To a degree,
some of what we've done in this hemisphere against the

(15:37):
cartels has too, to a much smaller extent. Now, that's
a real constraint. I won't pretend that it's not. But
Beijing does not hear production bottleneck. Beijing hears, maybe we
can keep those missiles in the warehouse. Then came the
Fox interview after the visit. Ambassador Perdue said the president

(15:58):
even asked Xi Jinping at one point whether China would
like to buy American weapons. Now, I want to clarify.
I think this was a form of New York humor.
I don't think this was a real offer from the president.
I don't know if you've ever seen the movie My
Cousin Vinny, New Yorker in custody in the South, and

(16:19):
when asked by the sheriff's office, did you shoot the clerk?
And he says, I shot the clerk. I shot the clerk.
That was a New York expression saying incredulously, Are you
kidding me? You're saying I shot the clerk? Of course
I didn't. But then when it came to trial, the
sheriff had the transcript read aloud, and it said, I

(16:41):
shot the clerk. And so if you just take the
plain English of it, supposedly, according to our ambassador, the
president said this sort of along the lines of China
complaining about us selling weapons, and the president saying, we
sell weapons to a lot of people. Do you want
to buy them? Never expecting that they would, never intending
to give them. But that's probably what happened. So in

(17:02):
case you've heard a little buzz about that, that's the
Paul Harvey rest of the story. So U.S. law prohibits
arms sales to China. So not really going to happen.
There's no plan to sell weapons to Beijing. Good. Because
the joke writes itself if you leave it hanging. So
the president closed the joke out. My good friend Buck

(17:22):
Sexton said the line that still rings in Taipei. I
was with him when this fear was raw. The Taiwanese
are increasingly concerned about even signaling from Trump that somehow
Taiwan is on the menu. It's true. But they seem
to have gone through this summit unscathed. Taiwan, he said,

(17:44):
just wants to be left alone. It wants the quills
of the porcupine long enough and sharp enough that the
Chinese dragon does not decide it's lunchtime. That's made street
language for deterrents. Our Heritage Foundation colleagues have said the
same thing in policy English. Keep selling the arms. Don't
consult with Beijing first. Do not move America's position to

(18:07):
please Xi Jinping. My colleague Andrew Harding, before the summit
week version on television, said U.S.-Taiwan relationship is not up
for sale. Taipei's deputy foreign minister said it after the meetings,
arming Taiwan so 23 million people do not live under
the same system as the mainland. And so the chip
industry keeps serving the world is in America's interest. He's

(18:30):
right about that. If Taiwan goes dark, you'll feel it
in the checkout line and the unemployment line before you
feel it in a diplomatic communique. So here's the honest grade.
She asked for opposed independence. He did not get that
sentence from the American government. She wanted the armed package killed.
He didn't get a funeral. He got more time. Time

(18:53):
is a weapon. Every month, the package sits. The porcupine's
quills stay shorter than they should be. Every month, Beijing
tells its people, see, America negotiates Taiwan with us. The
law has not changed. The inventory has not moved. On
item three, we have an incomplete. No backsliding is a win,

(19:14):
but important homework is really due soon. So, on to
item four, Iran, Chinese oil, and the other straight. Agreed?
Words on waterways, no break with Tehran. Two straits, one
is the Taiwan Strait, chips, democracy, a free society under
the gun. The other, Hormuz, oil, gas prices, and a

(19:37):
war that has already hit American families at the pump.
China needs that oil. Iran needs that buyer. Even with
the fighting and the blockade, Beijing remained the destination for
overwhelming shares of Iran's seaborne crude. The volumes are down
from last year's peaks, way down. They have not yet
gone to zero. Teapot refiners still take the discounted barrels,

(20:01):
but that's coming down. Big state firms that are now
starting to keep their distance. Small shops keep the regime's
lights on, though. The old line that as long as
the crude oil flows, they're indifferent still applies. The China-Iran
relationship in one sentence is summed up that way. As

(20:24):
long as the crude flows, they're indifferent. We need them
not to be indifferent. For now, we need Beijing to
feel the pinch, so they put the pinch on Tehran,
and we either get a deal or a change. So
what did the summit produce? Both sides said Iran should
not get a nuclear weapon. Good. Both sides said no
country or institution should slap tolls on international waterways. Good.

(20:48):
That second sentence is aimed at Hormuz. It needs to
apply to the Taiwan Strait, too. Useful if it becomes pressure.
Theater if China keeps the checkbook open. Ambassador Perdue said
President Trump made clear Chinese help to Iran, intelligence or
military equipment, would be totally unacceptable. Say it. Mean it.

(21:08):
Enforce it. Because a senior U.S. official already told the press,
Americans have died in Iran's attacks in the Middle East
as a result of Chinese actions. It's not a seminar.
It's a body count. It's real. Xi Jinping's public posture
was the usual. Support a return to talks. Support reopening
of the strait. Protect Iran's quote-unquote legitimate rights. Translation, Beijing

(21:34):
wants the oil moving again. It does not want to
spend its leverage to finish a war on America's terms.
So the two straits framing is not cute. It's the
trade Xi is trying to run. Help me on Hormuz, Washington.
Ease up on Taiwan and we'll sound constructive. Don't take
the swap. Hormuz is a global artery. Taiwan is a

(21:55):
free society and the chip foundry for the free world.
You do not pawn one to rent the other out
for two months. Item four is an incomplete. A sentence
about open waterways is not a cutoff of Iranian crude.
Until barrels drop for real, China is still underwriting the
other side of a war Americans are paying for. Item five,

(22:18):
Jimmy Lai and the people in cells. Grade, it was raised,
not resolved. It falls to another future meeting. This one
is simple. Jimmy Lai is 78, British citizen, publisher, Catholic.
He built a business. He told the truth about Beijing.
They locked him in solitary under a security law China
dropped on Hong Kong after promising the world the city

(22:41):
would stay free. The White House said it again as
Xi arrived. President Trump believes Jimmy Lai should be released,
and he wants to see that happen. The United States
urges humanitarian parole. He raised it in Busan. He raised
it in Beijing. Xi called it a tough one. It's
only tough if you're the jailer. A man who created

(23:02):
jobs in a newspaper is in a cell. a party
that lectures America about stability, will not grant an old
man parole. This is not a side issue. This is
a character test, character of a regime, character of a
relationship between our heads of state. If Beijing cannot show
mercy to one publisher, do not believe a speech about

(23:23):
constructive and stable strategic relationship. It's the same file. Americans
are still held. Pastors, business people, the cases that never
make the state dinner program. The Heritage Foundation told the
administration before the meetings, push for political prisoners, lie, others,
do not treat them as atmosphere. The president has a

(23:45):
record of bringing people home. This one is still inside.
So on item five, it's unfinished. On purpose by Beijing.
Keep saying the name. Two more meetings before this year ends.
Keep the file open. So, What did Xi Jinping actually
take home? Let's be the adults about the ledger. Xi

(24:06):
took home ceremony. He took home a two-month clock instead
of a tariff cliff. He took home an AI talking channel.
He took home more time on a Taiwan arms package.
He took home a Chinese readout that pretends America is
already adhering to Beijing's Taiwan line. He did not take
home a formal American pledge to oppose independence. He did

(24:31):
not take home a public kill shot on Taiwan's defenses.
He did not take home a hole in the U.S.
chip controls. He did not take home a long, fat
trade piece he could sell as permanent. President Trump took
home optionality, keeping things open. That's his style. Keep the
relationship personal. Keep the deadlines short. Keep the biggest chips,

(24:54):
the actual chips, and the arms package in his pocket.
The risk of that style is obvious. If you hold
the porcupine's quills as a bargaining chip too long, the
dragon starts to believe lunch is available. If you hold
the trade piece on two-month leash, you had better inspect
the rare earths and the farm receipts like a loan officer,

(25:15):
not a toastmaster. If you tell Xi that his help
for Iran is unacceptable, the next move has to be
sanctions that bite Chinese refiners and banks, not another adjective. Implementation...
is the whole game. I said that on this show
before he landed. I'll say it after he leaves. The
midterms will not be won on a communique test. Voters

(25:39):
feel prices. They feel fentanyl. They feel whether we look
like we're getting played. That's the real pressure. Keep that
pressure on. That's the file on after the Trump-Xi summit,
where we go from here. The short list is There
is an APEC summit in China in November. There is

(26:02):
a G20 summit in Miami, Florida in December. The presidents
will meet in both. That's the plan. We've got to
keep the pressure for progress on all of these fronts
going forward through this period. The president has said decisive
action on Iran, perhaps coming after the midterm election. Maybe
that includes decisive impact on what Beijing's calculus is on

(26:23):
the scorecard that we shared with you today. So with that,
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(27:08):
we had a deep dive on after Xi Jinping leaves Washington,
the scorecard. So, here it is. I'll put it together
again once more. You can put it up on your
refrigerator to keep score. Trade truce. Two months on a leash. Incomplete.
Chips and AI. The wall held. The race is unfinished. Incomplete.

(27:32):
Taiwan wording. We didn't surrender. Taiwan weapons still frozen. No backsliding.
Homework due. Iran and Chinese oil. A sentence about open seas.
Barrels still moving. Some. Incomplete. Jimmy Lai. The name was spoken.
The cells still locked. Action postponed. but not over. Let's

(27:55):
keep it up. That is not Trump lost. That is
not Xi won. That's a checklist, checkpoint that we've gone through.
That's what we said the summit would be. That's what
we still think the summit is. The next two meetings,
Shenzhen and then Miami, will tell you whether January 10
is a second chance or a second stall. Three things

(28:16):
I want to see before anyone calls this a transformation. One,
Ship the defensive weapons to Taiwan already bought with political
capital and by American law. Do not put free people
on the menu. Two, keep the advanced chips here. Dialogue
is cheap. Foundries are not. The most advanced things need
to stay American and safely within our alliances. Clean supply chains. Three,

(28:42):
make the Iran sentence expensive for Beijing. Open waterways cannot
mean one season for a regime that that uses Chinese
money and Chinese ports. So it can't be an open
season for them. We've got to make sure that they're
paying the freight for what they're doing. And really, the
pressure is coming to their economy. Their behavior should change.

(29:04):
And say Jimmy Lai's name until the door opens. That's
super important. Thank you for following through on the previous
episodes leading into the summit, the dedicated one on Jimmy Lai, AI,
the other items that were on the agenda. They'll run
on leverage, production, and whether your word still means something

(29:25):
when the camera leaves. That's what summits are about. So
she left town. The two straights are still there. The
work is still on the desk. I'm Steve Yates. This
is Nation States with Yates. We'll be here keeping score.
Until next time, stay strong, America.