October 14, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz discuss the return of hostages to Israel, Donald Trump and Jared Kushner’s ongoing influence on Middle Eastern peace, and Europe’s growing irrelevance on the world stage. The conversation also explores America’s political gridlock, the government shutdown, and what’s at stake in the upcoming Virginia governor’s race. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, guys, we are back.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's normal.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
It takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I am Mary keppert Ham and I'm Karl Markowitz. And
it is a miraculous day. The hostages have returned to Israel.
Donald Trump is in the Middle East giving just a
view of how things should work to the rest of
the world. And it's really just an incredible moment.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
I rejoice, I rejoice, I rejoice.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I am unabashedly rejoice for Israel, for all my Jewish friends,
for every person in Israel.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
It is so.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Unbelievable if you had told us this ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Carol, Yeah, I just Donald Trump, the guy who has
the gold Towers in Manhattan, is going to bring peace
to the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
To your war hostages home. And look, there is genius
in what they did here. And I also want to
shout out Jared Kushner, who Jared Kushner is a quiet force,
who was you know, ridiculed for years. They called him
an intellectual lightweight, made fun of him having anything to
do with Oh, I don't know, the Abraham Accords, which
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was pretty big deal in the first term, and now
he was a major part of this and the brilliance
of this planet is they were like, hey, we're going
to pressure you enough cutter and all these other places
that you have to accept that all the hostages come
back before, before the second part of the deal.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yet it actually happened.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I'm so with you.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
That Jared Kushner gets nowhere near enough praise. He was
instrumental in the Abraham Accords, he was instrumental here. I
think he is a force, and I'm so just happy
that he's related to the president and he is able
to make these kinds of moves on the world stage.
Just going back to Donald Trump for a minute, Yes,
(02:02):
like growing up in New York, he was the guy
on home alone. He was the guy with the golden toilets.
I didn't love him in twenty sixteen. I liked him
better in twenty twenty, and then in twenty twenty four
I was a will crawl over broken glass to vote
for this man voter, And I feel I came a
little late to him, but so grateful for him, and
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he deserves so much praise and credit. His deal making
is what got us here. And I think that even
if you hate Donald Trump, but I'm seeing this, you know,
on my various chats like how am I supposed to feel?
I hate Donald Trump? Who cares how you feel about him?
He did something incredible today. Give him that praise. Also,
all praise to Bibnett and Yahoo. Without their partnership, this
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does not happen.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, and I also had I had doubts about Steve Woodcoff,
like pairing him with Jared Kushner and the whole force
of these.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Guys being together.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I tweeted the other night that you know, I'm wary
of the deal, of course, because these things can fall apart.
But we have seen today that actually all of the
live former hostages are home, which is just miraculous. But
I said, I'm weary, of course, But it sure seems
like a strong Israel with strong backing from an unpredictable
kind of psycho US president with b two bombers is
a better basis for changing the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Game than the U N bitching at Jews. That's absolutely right.
That's my take. That's my take, and it's a good one.
It is a good take.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
There is an image floating around social media. I shared
it on my Instagram, how to deal with terrorists and
it's Brack Obama on the phone and he's like, let's negotiate.
The terrorist is like, I'll blow shit up. And then
it's Joe Biden, let's negotiate the terrorists like I'll blow
shit up. And then as Donald Trump saying I'll blow
shit up and the terrorists like, let's negotiate.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That is how it works. Is you cannot you cannot
gentle parent the Middle East. No, And if you do,
then the reasonable party, which is always going to be
a liberalized Western democracy, which is trying to act in
good faith Israel, that's the one you weaken while you
give all the power to the people who are acting
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like psychos.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That's right. It's an amazing day in Israel. My sister
in law is there. She's sending pictures from what used
to be called Hostage Square, now called Freed Square, which
we kind of made fun of. It sounds like in
Israeli he doesn't speak English that well, he.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Does a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I'll take it.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
You know, it's should go ahead, and I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I should nave off a couple of these the hostages,
just so that for everybody who maybe doesn't follow it
super closely, but knew that there were these hostages still
in Gaza. On Ohel, who's twenty four and a prodigy pianist,
is back and there were some reports that he might
have been blind from injuries that he sustained while in captivity,
but he has played the piano since he's been home,
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apparently wonderful to hear. Avinatan Or, who was the boyfriend
of Noah Argamani, who you guys would remember from the
two being torn apart while she was taken away on
the motorcycle.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Var Kuperstein, who has a wonderful story.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He was a medic and he was working really hard
at the Nova Festival to save other people. His dad
had a really tough accident in two thousand and nine,
had become unable to speak or move, and has rehabilitated
to the point that he can speak a little bit
and walk a little bit when his son comes home.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I who else?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Avatar David is the one that we saw the really
shocking video of having to dig his own grave. He
was you could tell, given more food before they gave
him back to Israel, but he is back home. The
list goes on, but I just wanted to note a
couple of them so that you guys could remember those stories.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Right, because they're real people. They're not just a number,
They're not just twenty They're real humans whose families were
tortured also for the last two years, and reading for them.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And Omri Moran, who has two little daughters. There at
least two dads coming home, two children who one of
those kids has no memory of her father because she
was six months old when he was from the safe
room that he was guarding them in. And Bethany made
a great point that all so many of these names
are of people who essentially gave the last two years
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of their lives to try to save other people. They
were giving themselves up for other people at the Nova
Festival and for their families.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, Trump gave an incredible address to the Israeli Kinnessset.
I think we have a clip of that there we're
going to play. He is a statesman. I love to
see it.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
After two harrowing years and darkness and captivity, twenty courageous
hostages are returning to the glorious embrace of their families.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And it is glorious.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Twenty eight more precious loved ones are coming home at
last to rest in this sacred soil for all of time,
and after so many years of unceasing war and endless danger.
Today the skies are calm, the guns are silent, the
sirens are still, and the sun rises on a holy
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land that is finally at peace, a land and a
region that will live God willing in peace for all eternity.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
He really has just risen to this moment. It's amazing,
it's incredible to watch. And that entire speech, he was funny,
he was interesting. Just a really wonderful moment for President Trump,
a really wonderful moment for our country as well. And
our friendship with Israel. It's a good thing. It's a
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close allyship, and that's what it should be.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Israel has, for its part, certainly shown its gratitude towards Trump.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Specifically.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
There's a great picture of a thank you banner on
the beach in Tel Aviv which is adorned with is
thank you, and it's adorned with Trump's profile. Very obviously,
the Speaker of the Knesset offered him a compilation picture
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of his of Trump's forty eight covers of Time magazine,
dedicating it the eight for forty seven to President Trump.
Leader of the free world with im mense appreciation for
all you have done in our time. And then I
think we have a clip of a very special sort
of tribute to Trump from just an Israeli lady who
had some thoughts on the social media.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Here she is.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Amazing, Donna Trump Bush my love. Listen, need to say sorry,
apologize Israel love you.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And first of all, we.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Didn't we said I want to grab.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
You by the Pushbush.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Now, we didn't think that the Trump Golden Shower will
bring the golden news.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Tezraet the covern, meet the.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Okay, I stand with you.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
You know to stand with me. I stand with you.
Let's make America great again.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
No, not no way.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
Gender them, They don't.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
They who's them?
Speaker 10 (09:00):
Don't know?
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Dande only nepsicon to Mexico. I agree about evoltions. Listen,
if you promise, no wo no boys go to kill
themselves and to kill othermselves. No evotions, Okay, no no emotions.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Fava with me.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
It's gonna be a very baby womb. Now we decided
everybody will be Donald. Now it's a new even name
Donald Dangelie. It's nice.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
So the bas in the.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Middle, she is so Israeli. It is hilarious, It's amazing.
I think there will be a baby boom of Donald's
in Israel. I think that that is definitely something that
will happen. Push push, I mean all of it, you know,
will be right back with more on normally, and we'll
hear reactions from people or lack of reactions from people
(09:47):
about what is going on in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
We are back on normally. And I think one of
the more important lessons of this entire peace process and
this current moment is that Europe is pointless. Why are
they so pointless?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
I know?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And there look, there's this Johnny cum Lately thing that
Keir Starmer and Macron are doing to fly into Egypt, like, hey,
we were part of this. In fact, what happened is
that you were actively working against this by recognizing a
Palestinian state and rewarding the people you're trying to get
to the table, whereas the US and Israel were engaged
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in bombing Hamas targets inside Cutter, which then forced Cutter
to be like, do we want to be vulnerable to
this in the future or should we sit down and
figure this out again. So many people on the left
get these backwards, Like there's a lot of people I've
seen in maybe in the New York Times, other people
tweeting like I don't understand he's bombing the very people
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who he's trying to get to the table. It's like, well,
they didn't come in spite of the bombing, right, they
came because of the bombing.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Exactly, that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Let's roll this clip of the Education Secretary in Britain
actually being held to account on Sky News about the
complete lack of role that Britain played in this whole part.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
We have played a key role behind the scenes in
shaping this. It's right that we do so, because it's
in all of our interest, including our own national interest,
that we moved to a lasting piece in the region.
Speaker 10 (11:22):
Well, when you say behind the scenes, like what I mean,
it seemed to everybody else in the world that this
has been done by Trump and the Israelis and her
mass What part did we play?
Speaker 11 (11:34):
These are complex matters of diplomacy that we are involved in,
but we do welcome and recognize the critical rule that
the American government played in moving us to this point.
What matters now, of course, is how we move beyond
this immediate to the wall, moving towards that lasting piece
that we all want to see. That is why we've
recognized a Palestinian state. Why alongside that, we're committed to
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making sure that a safe and secure Israel endurers.
Speaker 10 (12:00):
Reason I asked this is because, as you say, we
recognize a Palestinian state, Marco Rubio, the sexuorist state, said
that actually made it more difficult to learn the deal.
What's really going on here? I mean, was that some
sort of clever, strategic double bluff. I mean the Americans
(12:20):
say we made it more difficult. You're saying that we
played this creep art. What's true?
Speaker 11 (12:25):
Well, we believe as a government that it was the
right thing to do to recognize the Palestinian state because
of the way in which the conflict had developed over
the last two years, that if that hadn't happened, we
would be in a position where there would no longer
be that viable option of a Palestinian But.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
The Israelis were furious with us. The Americans said that
we actually hampered the deal. What was the positive role
that we played.
Speaker 11 (12:47):
It was the right thing to do, and we will
always act as a government in that manner. I do
obviously understand that not everyone agrees with that decision, but
given the scale of the conflict and what needed to happen,
we felt it was the right thing to do to
recognize that Palestinian state. But I should also just emphasize
that the reason this conflict, of course, this phase of
the conflict has begun or began, was following the appalling events,
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the appalling atrocities of the seventh of October, and as
we over the course of the next twenty four hours,
what we all want to see are as many hostages
as possible released home to their families and those brought home.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That host is named Trevor Phillips. I think he did
a really good job there reaching her. She had no answer.
We played a role behind the scenes and did things. Yeah,
recognizing the Palestinian state was the right thing to do,
No was it?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
So?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I don't know where Britain and France go from here.
They've already have been such diminished powers on the world stage.
I don't think anybody looks to them for guidance. The
fact that they showed up in Egypt town embarrassing for
them because they literally had no role to play in this.
It's depressing actually, because I want a stronger Europe, I
want a more involved Europe, but they are so beholden
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to their own problems. They have this Muslim population that
is not integrated into their culture at all. You'll see
videos of members of Parliament saying that they need to
take down British flags and that kind of thing. When
I was in France twenty years ago, they refer to
the Muslims living there as the Arabs. When those people
were born in France. They'll never be French under their
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kind of guidelines, and it's a real problem for them,
and that's why they take the ridiculous stance that they
do on the world stage.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, I think I think it was John Puhortz who
put this in a way that made it very clear
to me that the recognition of a Palestinian state is
an attempt to quiet the Arab street in Britain and
or appease the Arab street in Britain and France, and
has nothing to do with what Trump is doing and
is fact is in fact damaging to what they were
attempting to do. But luckily, you know, the b two
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S speak more strongly than Cure, Starmer or Macrone does.
Anthony Blinken is also jumping on the credit train. He said,
it's good that President Trump adopted and built on the
plan that the Biden administration developed after months of discussion
with Arab partners, Israel and the Palestin the authority.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Sure, dude, imagine that, Yeah, Biden administration. He also Obama,
of course, took this opportunity to tweet about himself because
that's what Samma does, and made no mention of Donald Trump.
Bill Crystal hasn't mentioned a word about this. You think
that his key issue over his entire lifetime, he might
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say something in a tweet, and he's still tweeting, just
not about this at all, because he can't bring himself
to give Trump any credit. Obviously, Tucker Carlson, who says
he's just such a peaceful guy, he's just so anti war,
not a word about this, And the list goes on
and on. These people are loath to give Trump any
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credit for the piece that he's brought here, and they
have their own agendas.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah, we have a great clip actually from CNN.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I know, I'm shocked as you of Abby Phillip actually
pointing out.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
This problem for Obama here.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
She is perhaps even bigger than the Nobel Peace Prize.
You could argue, but I mean, there is a desire
on the part of a lot of people in Maga,
and this is channeling. I'm sure what Trump is feeling
for credit. President Obama put out this post talking about
the peace deal and the prospects of it, and Don
Junior responded to it, I'll finish it for you. Thank you,
(16:26):
Donald Trump. Honestly, it's not unfair to say if President
Obama's going to write a whole post about a peace deal,
maybe he should acknowledge the president that broke it in that's.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Two in a row. Yeah, and he deserves credit. No,
there is.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Obviously there have been splits on the right during the
Trump years. The Tucker section is one. I would say that,
like the Bulwark section is another.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
The rap I know well, and the rap is always.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Like you changed change, your values are not the same
on this in particular, I'm in the same place I
always was, and I am I am actually a little
surprised at the lack of celebration from people who have
formerly been extremely committed to this close allyship to this country,
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to the beautiful country that is Israel to our one
democratic partner in the region.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
And now it's like after and in the.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Tucker case, pro peace allegedly, but there's so many people
left right and center, no, not really center probably but
far less far right horseshoeing that it turns out aren't
pro peace at all.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Right, Yeah, we haven't moved, We say the same. I
have been a conservative my whole life. I've been proways
around my whole life. I mean, these things go hand
in hand to me. I don't understand the opposite side
of that. In fact, I say this a lot a
lot of times. When a conservative flips on Israel, it's
because they've moved left on other things as well. And
it's been so evidence of that over the last few days.
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MTG is Marjorie Taylor Green. She was talking about how
we need to have some illegal immigration. I mean, these
things are are just obvious when the switch happens. Other
things have happened. It's not just Israel. But tell me
about your shirt. You are wearing dart shirt, which I
want because we were there together. That was my only
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time ever in Stotz when you and I were in Israel.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, so this is this is actually I had a
stat shirt from my very first visit to Israel in
two thousand and eight. Oh lo these many years ago,
and uh. And then we went back together after October seventh.
But on the day before October seventh, October sixth, twenty
twenty three, I happened to do the podcast Ask a Jew,
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and we reminisced about my first trip to Israel, and
I had not been a second time at that point,
and I just love the country and it's beautiful and
it's I think because if you have a foreign policy
view of Israel and you haven't visited, you don't know
quite how magical and beautiful it is. And so I
have always been very struck by it. And so I
had this T shirt that I that I had for
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that podcast and talked about it and how they questioned
me about it when I was leaving the airport, you know,
how they have asked very specific questions.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The airboord He was like, do you have anything, and
I was like no. I was like, no, no, no, I
have a T shirt, have a T shirt to the
idea of home.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
So we did that podcast the day before the news
broke and then we did a quick follow up to
change up that podcast. Yaelle Bartur, who is the co
host of that podcast, sent this to me just last
week as an update to my shirt. It went a
little viral because she got heckled on these streets of
New York for wearing a similar shirt, and so she
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was helping out this company by sending some to friends
and allies. What's on your hat? I noticed you have
some swag as well.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, so this is one of my favorite charities, Bela Bahad.
They do a lot of work supporting soldiers that return
from battle and they do just incredible, incredible work. I
would also be remiss not to mention the International Fellowship
of Christians and Jews. They do phenomenal work. Really one
of my absolute favorites as well. They advertise on this show,
And these are just great charities. If you want to
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get involved in helping the returning hostages, I'm sure they're
both going to do some work and they really are
just phenomenal charities.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, and we should also not be remiss and not
forget to mention that, of course, many families do not
have someone coming home. Many families are waiting on remains,
which Hamas is going to be much more problematic about which,
by the way, is a violation of the agreement right already,
because they're already doing that, and many people are mourning
those who were lost I think nine hundred and fifteen
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soldiers in battle during these during this time. So it's
as always, it is very complicated when these things happen
in Israel. Even a very successful deal includes the release
of murderers of other Israelis in the deal, so there's
a lot going on there. And then of course the
hostage is trying to get back to some sense of
normalcy after two years of god knows what, very tough times.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, well, we will be praying for them and we
hope that they suffer no more. We'll be right back
with more on normally. We are back on normally, where
we have a little politics round up, mostly unrelated to
the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yes, we had to talk a lot about the Middle East.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
No, we'll do a couple piece of Middle East is
kind of a big deal.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It is a huge deal. So the government is still
shut down. The Democrats have voted what seven eight times
now against reopening. They are filibustering the clean cr in
the Senate. Still some of them have crossed over. It
is a bipartisn't vote on the yes side to open
the government, but not on the nose side. But you
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know what happened. Something miraculous happened. Maybe not quite as
miraculous as peace in the Middle East. But Margaret Brennan
this weekend noticed Democrat hypocrisy question mark. So this is
the question that she had for Chris Murphy when he
came to sit down with her.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
That's the Democratic senator from Connecticut. Is that right? Yes,
got it.
Speaker 12 (22:19):
But this is just a seven week deal that we're
talking about at this point.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
That the short.
Speaker 13 (22:23):
Term correct the long term budget that we passed ultimately
has to require the president not engage in mass scale corruption.
But a short term agreement, you know, certainly is not
going to fix all of the problems that exist right
now in the way the president is running the country.
Speaker 12 (22:37):
But you have been critical in the past of the
tactic of choosing to shut down the government. You were
in twenty eighteen, you were back in twenty thirteen when
it was a discussion over healthcare. This is what you
said in twenty eighteen, the.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Future of the American healthcare system was a legitimate public
policy issue, as is the.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Security of our borders.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But we shouldn't be having the discussion amidst a government
shutdround trying to use our nation security and all of
these federal workers and the work that they do as hostages.
Speaker 12 (23:08):
Aren't you doing today exactly what you were criticizing then?
Speaker 13 (23:11):
No, that was a fight over sort of the long
term structure of the American healthcare system. This is an emergency.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, not at all the same, so super super different.
Our friend recking now are second mentioned on the show today.
She tweeted, if Republicans were responsible for the shutdown, we
would be getting the most unbelievable SOB stories by now
about the flight of federal workers because it is the
fault of democrats. I'm hearing next to nothing. No spreads
in the New York Times about like the worker who
(23:41):
has been sent home and is struggling to feed their family.
Nothing like.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
No, this is how you know who's at fault, because
a couple of people who don't have the ability to
parse that are like I've seen a couple of tweets like, wow,
this is like the chillest shutdown ever. I'll tell you
why Yeah, I'll tell you why, because no one is
incentivized to exaggerate every part of it in the same
way that they would be otherwise because it.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Does not help their team, which caused the shutdown.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
In this case, that's rights are furloughed. This is a
real thing that is ongoing. The fact that you're not
hearing news about it.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, and by the way, Trump did make some move
to make sure troops are paid, which of course Democrats
are going to be very mad about, and he's going
to walk them into yet another trap of complaining about
paying the troops during the shutdown. At any rate, we
will keep you up to date on it. There's also
an update in the Virginia governor's race. That race seems
to be tightening at least a little bit. It's again
(24:37):
still an uphill battle for whin some seers who's running
against Abigail Spamberger. But I think she made it slightly
easy for easier for herself by having a pretty good
debate appearance, helped by Abigail Spaanberger's totally dropping the ball
when it came to being asked by win some seers
about j Jones, who is the guy who sent the
(24:59):
murder text, And this is the one minute ad that
the Sears campaign produced using her non answer in this segment.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
Would it take him pulling the trigger? Is that what
would do it? And then you would say he needs
to get out of the race, Abigail, You have nothing
to say, Abigail. What if he said it about your
two children, your three children? Is that when you would
say he should get out of the race, Abigail, You're running.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
To be governor, miss Earl Sears.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
I mean we're talking about murder. We're talking about someone's
life being taken from them. Have you nothing to say
about that? Are you not going to address it? Really,
you can't go any further. You're a governor. You're supposed to.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Stand up for all the people.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
Are you saying political murder is all right? Have some
political courage. What you have done is you are taking
political calculations about your future as governor well as governor.
You have to make hard choices, and that means telling
j Jones to leave the race.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Woo Carol.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, awkward.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Also, I understand what she was trying to do here.
Spanberger was trying to think, I'm going to only take
questions from the moderator, I'm not going to take them
from my opponent. And that may have been by the
letter of the law, right the debate style, but it
does not help in this situation. She also said, like
(26:36):
two minutes of gobbledegook earlier, sort of kind of condemning it,
but also not any not asking him to step down.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
None of that right.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
By the way, she asked Ralph Northam to resign over
the blackface thing, but this is totally fine anyway. There
were other segments where she did say things, but in
this one that is a tactical error that you don't
see that magnitude of that.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Right, I hope it leads to something. It just kills me.
If a terrible candidate like that, who won't condemn murderers texts,
I mean it really like he texted that his opponent's
kids should die. It's such an easy condemnation, Like it
shouldn't be this difficult. Well, and she'll say Republicans, they
would jump all over it and would condemn their own side.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Well, and she'll say, to be sure, no violent rhetoric
is okay.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Moving on, It's like, okay, but what are the actual
consequences for that, especially by the way in Virginia right now,
a couple of other Republicans have actively been threatened by
people who are being arrested for death threats on Republicans
in the state. And that whole ticket is like la
la la, Let's have j Jones be the AG Now
(27:47):
the voting public has reacted, it seems, on the AG race.
Whether it affects the other two on the ticket, I
don't know, But in the AG race, Jason Arras, who
is the Republican, seems to have picked up about six
points since the things started out breaking, which is as
it should be. And I would say so if it
was a Democrat like you should lose six points for
(28:07):
sending those texts, I think yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Speaking of people who seem to love violence, the potential
next mayor of New York Cities or Mom Donnie, did
a run for Gaza this weekend. He is famous for
marching for globalizing the Intifada. He is frequently asked to
condemn it, and he won't. He says that if benjaminette
(28:34):
Yaw who comes to New York, he will arrest him.
Really great guy New York is poised to pick. Of course,
he's running against Andrew Como who you know, I don't
have any love for it all, but would clearly be
the better choice here. Curtis Lewa is a Republican on
that race, who when you're explaining the vote between the
three of them, Mom Donnie seems seems like he's going
to win the whole.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Wait, it wasn't just a five k for Gaza. It
was specifically for UNRAU right, which is the organization which
we have determined is just basically Hamas.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, in charge of at the UN.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Hamas at the UN because they joined forces. And it
is wild to me that that's his social media. He's like, yeah,
I'm gonna do a run. It's not just like for
some innocuous like like choose Jose Andras or something. It's
like a little bit more within bounds, not unrough, for
God's sake. And then people were There was a skit
on SNL this weekend where the character was a Long
(29:31):
Island woman who was making they were making fun of
her for being scared of Mom Donnie, and she called
him a hipster, g hottist And honestly, I gotta look
at a guy running for unra in his in his
calf height, black socks, and I.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Go like, is that a Is that what he is?
That what he is because he doesn't condemn Global is
pretty good.
Speaker 13 (29:51):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I don't watch us and know, but that that's a
really that's a smart point. That's really what he is.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He looks what he sounds like.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's normal.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
It takes for when the news gets weird.
Speaker 4 (00:10):
I am Mary keppert Ham and I'm Karl Markowitz. And
it is a miraculous day. The hostages have returned to Israel.
Donald Trump is in the Middle East giving just a
view of how things should work to the rest of
the world. And it's really just an incredible moment.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
I rejoice, I rejoice, I rejoice.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I am unabashedly rejoice for Israel, for all my Jewish friends,
for every person in Israel.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
It is so.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Unbelievable if you had told us this ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Carol, Yeah, I just Donald Trump, the guy who has
the gold Towers in Manhattan, is going to bring peace
to the Middle East.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
To your war hostages home. And look, there is genius
in what they did here. And I also want to
shout out Jared Kushner, who Jared Kushner is a quiet force,
who was you know, ridiculed for years. They called him
an intellectual lightweight, made fun of him having anything to
do with Oh, I don't know, the Abraham Accords, which
(01:15):
was pretty big deal in the first term, and now
he was a major part of this and the brilliance
of this planet is they were like, hey, we're going
to pressure you enough cutter and all these other places
that you have to accept that all the hostages come
back before, before the second part of the deal.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Yet it actually happened.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I'm so with you.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
That Jared Kushner gets nowhere near enough praise. He was
instrumental in the Abraham Accords, he was instrumental here. I
think he is a force, and I'm so just happy
that he's related to the president and he is able
to make these kinds of moves on the world stage.
Just going back to Donald Trump for a minute, Yes,
(02:02):
like growing up in New York, he was the guy
on home alone. He was the guy with the golden toilets.
I didn't love him in twenty sixteen. I liked him
better in twenty twenty, and then in twenty twenty four
I was a will crawl over broken glass to vote
for this man voter, And I feel I came a
little late to him, but so grateful for him, and
(02:23):
he deserves so much praise and credit. His deal making
is what got us here. And I think that even
if you hate Donald Trump, but I'm seeing this, you know,
on my various chats like how am I supposed to feel?
I hate Donald Trump? Who cares how you feel about him?
He did something incredible today. Give him that praise. Also,
all praise to Bibnett and Yahoo. Without their partnership, this
(02:46):
does not happen.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, and I also had I had doubts about Steve Woodcoff,
like pairing him with Jared Kushner and the whole force
of these.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Guys being together.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I tweeted the other night that you know, I'm wary
of the deal, of course, because these things can fall apart.
But we have seen today that actually all of the
live former hostages are home, which is just miraculous. But
I said, I'm weary, of course, But it sure seems
like a strong Israel with strong backing from an unpredictable
kind of psycho US president with b two bombers is
a better basis for changing the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Game than the U N bitching at Jews. That's absolutely right.
That's my take. That's my take, and it's a good one.
It is a good take.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
There is an image floating around social media. I shared
it on my Instagram, how to deal with terrorists and
it's Brack Obama on the phone and he's like, let's negotiate.
The terrorist is like, I'll blow shit up. And then
it's Joe Biden, let's negotiate the terrorists like I'll blow
shit up. And then as Donald Trump saying I'll blow
shit up and the terrorists like, let's negotiate.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
That is how it works. Is you cannot you cannot
gentle parent the Middle East. No, And if you do,
then the reasonable party, which is always going to be
a liberalized Western democracy, which is trying to act in
good faith Israel, that's the one you weaken while you
give all the power to the people who are acting
(04:06):
like psychos.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That's right. It's an amazing day in Israel. My sister
in law is there. She's sending pictures from what used
to be called Hostage Square, now called Freed Square, which
we kind of made fun of. It sounds like in
Israeli he doesn't speak English that well, he.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Does a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I'll take it.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
You know, it's should go ahead, and I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I should nave off a couple of these the hostages,
just so that for everybody who maybe doesn't follow it
super closely, but knew that there were these hostages still
in Gaza. On Ohel, who's twenty four and a prodigy pianist,
is back and there were some reports that he might
have been blind from injuries that he sustained while in captivity,
but he has played the piano since he's been home,
(04:48):
apparently wonderful to hear. Avinatan Or, who was the boyfriend
of Noah Argamani, who you guys would remember from the
two being torn apart while she was taken away on
the motorcycle.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Var Kuperstein, who has a wonderful story.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He was a medic and he was working really hard
at the Nova Festival to save other people. His dad
had a really tough accident in two thousand and nine,
had become unable to speak or move, and has rehabilitated
to the point that he can speak a little bit
and walk a little bit when his son comes home.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I who else?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Avatar David is the one that we saw the really
shocking video of having to dig his own grave. He
was you could tell, given more food before they gave
him back to Israel, but he is back home. The
list goes on, but I just wanted to note a
couple of them so that you guys could remember those stories.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Right, because they're real people. They're not just a number,
They're not just twenty They're real humans whose families were
tortured also for the last two years, and reading for them.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And Omri Moran, who has two little daughters. There at
least two dads coming home, two children who one of
those kids has no memory of her father because she
was six months old when he was from the safe
room that he was guarding them in. And Bethany made
a great point that all so many of these names
are of people who essentially gave the last two years
(06:11):
of their lives to try to save other people. They
were giving themselves up for other people at the Nova
Festival and for their families.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, Trump gave an incredible address to the Israeli Kinnessset.
I think we have a clip of that there we're
going to play. He is a statesman. I love to
see it.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
After two harrowing years and darkness and captivity, twenty courageous
hostages are returning to the glorious embrace of their families.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And it is glorious.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Twenty eight more precious loved ones are coming home at
last to rest in this sacred soil for all of time,
and after so many years of unceasing war and endless danger.
Today the skies are calm, the guns are silent, the
sirens are still, and the sun rises on a holy
(07:04):
land that is finally at peace, a land and a
region that will live God willing in peace for all eternity.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
He really has just risen to this moment. It's amazing,
it's incredible to watch. And that entire speech, he was funny,
he was interesting. Just a really wonderful moment for President Trump,
a really wonderful moment for our country as well. And
our friendship with Israel. It's a good thing. It's a
(07:34):
close allyship, and that's what it should be.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Israel has, for its part, certainly shown its gratitude towards Trump.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Specifically.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
There's a great picture of a thank you banner on
the beach in Tel Aviv which is adorned with is
thank you, and it's adorned with Trump's profile. Very obviously,
the Speaker of the Knesset offered him a compilation picture
(08:03):
of his of Trump's forty eight covers of Time magazine,
dedicating it the eight for forty seven to President Trump.
Leader of the free world with im mense appreciation for
all you have done in our time. And then I
think we have a clip of a very special sort
of tribute to Trump from just an Israeli lady who
had some thoughts on the social media.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Here she is.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Amazing, Donna Trump Bush my love. Listen, need to say sorry,
apologize Israel love you.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And first of all, we.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Didn't we said I want to grab.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
You by the Pushbush.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Now, we didn't think that the Trump Golden Shower will
bring the golden news.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Tezraet the covern, meet the.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Okay, I stand with you.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
You know to stand with me. I stand with you.
Let's make America great again.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
No, not no way.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
Gender them, They don't.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
They who's them?
Speaker 10 (09:00):
Don't know?
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Dande only nepsicon to Mexico. I agree about evoltions. Listen,
if you promise, no wo no boys go to kill
themselves and to kill othermselves. No evotions, Okay, no no emotions.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Fava with me.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
It's gonna be a very baby womb. Now we decided
everybody will be Donald. Now it's a new even name
Donald Dangelie. It's nice.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
So the bas in the.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Middle, she is so Israeli. It is hilarious, It's amazing.
I think there will be a baby boom of Donald's
in Israel. I think that that is definitely something that
will happen. Push push, I mean all of it, you know,
will be right back with more on normally, and we'll
hear reactions from people or lack of reactions from people
(09:47):
about what is going on in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
We are back on normally. And I think one of
the more important lessons of this entire peace process and
this current moment is that Europe is pointless. Why are
they so pointless?
Speaker 7 (10:07):
I know?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And there look, there's this Johnny cum Lately thing that
Keir Starmer and Macron are doing to fly into Egypt, like, hey,
we were part of this. In fact, what happened is
that you were actively working against this by recognizing a
Palestinian state and rewarding the people you're trying to get
to the table, whereas the US and Israel were engaged
(10:28):
in bombing Hamas targets inside Cutter, which then forced Cutter
to be like, do we want to be vulnerable to
this in the future or should we sit down and
figure this out again. So many people on the left
get these backwards, Like there's a lot of people I've
seen in maybe in the New York Times, other people
tweeting like I don't understand he's bombing the very people
(10:50):
who he's trying to get to the table. It's like, well,
they didn't come in spite of the bombing, right, they
came because of the bombing.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Exactly, that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Let's roll this clip of the Education Secretary in Britain
actually being held to account on Sky News about the
complete lack of role that Britain played in this whole part.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
We have played a key role behind the scenes in
shaping this. It's right that we do so, because it's
in all of our interest, including our own national interest,
that we moved to a lasting piece in the region.
Speaker 10 (11:22):
Well, when you say behind the scenes, like what I mean,
it seemed to everybody else in the world that this
has been done by Trump and the Israelis and her
mass What part did we play?
Speaker 11 (11:34):
These are complex matters of diplomacy that we are involved in,
but we do welcome and recognize the critical rule that
the American government played in moving us to this point.
What matters now, of course, is how we move beyond
this immediate to the wall, moving towards that lasting piece
that we all want to see. That is why we've
recognized a Palestinian state. Why alongside that, we're committed to
(11:55):
making sure that a safe and secure Israel endurers.
Speaker 10 (12:00):
Reason I asked this is because, as you say, we
recognize a Palestinian state, Marco Rubio, the sexuorist state, said
that actually made it more difficult to learn the deal.
What's really going on here? I mean, was that some
sort of clever, strategic double bluff. I mean the Americans
(12:20):
say we made it more difficult. You're saying that we
played this creep art. What's true?
Speaker 11 (12:25):
Well, we believe as a government that it was the
right thing to do to recognize the Palestinian state because
of the way in which the conflict had developed over
the last two years, that if that hadn't happened, we
would be in a position where there would no longer
be that viable option of a Palestinian But.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
The Israelis were furious with us. The Americans said that
we actually hampered the deal. What was the positive role
that we played.
Speaker 11 (12:47):
It was the right thing to do, and we will
always act as a government in that manner. I do
obviously understand that not everyone agrees with that decision, but
given the scale of the conflict and what needed to happen,
we felt it was the right thing to do to
recognize that Palestinian state. But I should also just emphasize
that the reason this conflict, of course, this phase of
the conflict has begun or began, was following the appalling events,
(13:10):
the appalling atrocities of the seventh of October, and as
we over the course of the next twenty four hours,
what we all want to see are as many hostages
as possible released home to their families and those brought home.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
That host is named Trevor Phillips. I think he did
a really good job there reaching her. She had no answer.
We played a role behind the scenes and did things. Yeah,
recognizing the Palestinian state was the right thing to do,
No was it?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
So?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I don't know where Britain and France go from here.
They've already have been such diminished powers on the world stage.
I don't think anybody looks to them for guidance. The
fact that they showed up in Egypt town embarrassing for
them because they literally had no role to play in this.
It's depressing actually, because I want a stronger Europe, I
want a more involved Europe, but they are so beholden
(14:00):
to their own problems. They have this Muslim population that
is not integrated into their culture at all. You'll see
videos of members of Parliament saying that they need to
take down British flags and that kind of thing. When
I was in France twenty years ago, they refer to
the Muslims living there as the Arabs. When those people
were born in France. They'll never be French under their
(14:21):
kind of guidelines, and it's a real problem for them,
and that's why they take the ridiculous stance that they
do on the world stage.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, I think I think it was John Puhortz who
put this in a way that made it very clear
to me that the recognition of a Palestinian state is
an attempt to quiet the Arab street in Britain and
or appease the Arab street in Britain and France, and
has nothing to do with what Trump is doing and
is fact is in fact damaging to what they were
attempting to do. But luckily, you know, the b two
(14:51):
S speak more strongly than Cure, Starmer or Macrone does.
Anthony Blinken is also jumping on the credit train. He said,
it's good that President Trump adopted and built on the
plan that the Biden administration developed after months of discussion
with Arab partners, Israel and the Palestin the authority.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Sure, dude, imagine that, Yeah, Biden administration. He also Obama,
of course, took this opportunity to tweet about himself because
that's what Samma does, and made no mention of Donald Trump.
Bill Crystal hasn't mentioned a word about this. You think
that his key issue over his entire lifetime, he might
(15:30):
say something in a tweet, and he's still tweeting, just
not about this at all, because he can't bring himself
to give Trump any credit. Obviously, Tucker Carlson, who says
he's just such a peaceful guy, he's just so anti war,
not a word about this, And the list goes on
and on. These people are loath to give Trump any
(15:50):
credit for the piece that he's brought here, and they
have their own agendas.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah, we have a great clip actually from CNN.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I know, I'm shocked as you of Abby Phillip actually
pointing out.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
This problem for Obama here.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
She is perhaps even bigger than the Nobel Peace Prize.
You could argue, but I mean, there is a desire
on the part of a lot of people in Maga,
and this is channeling. I'm sure what Trump is feeling
for credit. President Obama put out this post talking about
the peace deal and the prospects of it, and Don
Junior responded to it, I'll finish it for you. Thank you,
(16:26):
Donald Trump. Honestly, it's not unfair to say if President
Obama's going to write a whole post about a peace deal,
maybe he should acknowledge the president that broke it in that's.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Two in a row. Yeah, and he deserves credit. No,
there is.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Obviously there have been splits on the right during the
Trump years. The Tucker section is one. I would say that,
like the Bulwark section is another.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
The rap I know well, and the rap is always.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Like you changed change, your values are not the same
on this in particular, I'm in the same place I
always was, and I am I am actually a little
surprised at the lack of celebration from people who have
formerly been extremely committed to this close allyship to this country,
(17:21):
to the beautiful country that is Israel to our one
democratic partner in the region.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
And now it's like after and in the.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Tucker case, pro peace allegedly, but there's so many people
left right and center, no, not really center probably but
far less far right horseshoeing that it turns out aren't
pro peace at all.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Right, Yeah, we haven't moved, We say the same. I
have been a conservative my whole life. I've been proways
around my whole life. I mean, these things go hand
in hand to me. I don't understand the opposite side
of that. In fact, I say this a lot a
lot of times. When a conservative flips on Israel, it's
because they've moved left on other things as well. And
it's been so evidence of that over the last few days.
(18:02):
MTG is Marjorie Taylor Green. She was talking about how
we need to have some illegal immigration. I mean, these
things are are just obvious when the switch happens. Other
things have happened. It's not just Israel. But tell me
about your shirt. You are wearing dart shirt, which I
want because we were there together. That was my only
(18:22):
time ever in Stotz when you and I were in Israel.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, so this is this is actually I had a
stat shirt from my very first visit to Israel in
two thousand and eight. Oh lo these many years ago,
and uh. And then we went back together after October seventh.
But on the day before October seventh, October sixth, twenty
twenty three, I happened to do the podcast Ask a Jew,
(18:49):
and we reminisced about my first trip to Israel, and
I had not been a second time at that point,
and I just love the country and it's beautiful and
it's I think because if you have a foreign policy
view of Israel and you haven't visited, you don't know
quite how magical and beautiful it is. And so I
have always been very struck by it. And so I
had this T shirt that I that I had for
(19:11):
that podcast and talked about it and how they questioned
me about it when I was leaving the airport, you know,
how they have asked very specific questions.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The airboord He was like, do you have anything, and
I was like no. I was like, no, no, no, I
have a T shirt, have a T shirt to the
idea of home.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
So we did that podcast the day before the news
broke and then we did a quick follow up to
change up that podcast. Yaelle Bartur, who is the co
host of that podcast, sent this to me just last
week as an update to my shirt. It went a
little viral because she got heckled on these streets of
New York for wearing a similar shirt, and so she
(19:48):
was helping out this company by sending some to friends
and allies. What's on your hat? I noticed you have
some swag as well.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, so this is one of my favorite charities, Bela Bahad.
They do a lot of work supporting soldiers that return
from battle and they do just incredible, incredible work. I
would also be remiss not to mention the International Fellowship
of Christians and Jews. They do phenomenal work. Really one
of my absolute favorites as well. They advertise on this show,
And these are just great charities. If you want to
(20:18):
get involved in helping the returning hostages, I'm sure they're
both going to do some work and they really are
just phenomenal charities.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, and we should also not be remiss and not
forget to mention that, of course, many families do not
have someone coming home. Many families are waiting on remains,
which Hamas is going to be much more problematic about which,
by the way, is a violation of the agreement right already,
because they're already doing that, and many people are mourning
those who were lost I think nine hundred and fifteen
(20:48):
soldiers in battle during these during this time. So it's
as always, it is very complicated when these things happen
in Israel. Even a very successful deal includes the release
of murderers of other Israelis in the deal, so there's
a lot going on there. And then of course the
hostage is trying to get back to some sense of
normalcy after two years of god knows what, very tough times.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, well, we will be praying for them and we
hope that they suffer no more. We'll be right back
with more on normally. We are back on normally, where
we have a little politics round up, mostly unrelated to
the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yes, we had to talk a lot about the Middle East.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
No, we'll do a couple piece of Middle East is
kind of a big deal.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It is a huge deal. So the government is still
shut down. The Democrats have voted what seven eight times
now against reopening. They are filibustering the clean cr in
the Senate. Still some of them have crossed over. It
is a bipartisn't vote on the yes side to open
the government, but not on the nose side. But you
(21:57):
know what happened. Something miraculous happened. Maybe not quite as
miraculous as peace in the Middle East. But Margaret Brennan
this weekend noticed Democrat hypocrisy question mark. So this is
the question that she had for Chris Murphy when he
came to sit down with her.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
That's the Democratic senator from Connecticut. Is that right? Yes,
got it.
Speaker 12 (22:19):
But this is just a seven week deal that we're
talking about at this point.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
That the short.
Speaker 13 (22:23):
Term correct the long term budget that we passed ultimately
has to require the president not engage in mass scale corruption.
But a short term agreement, you know, certainly is not
going to fix all of the problems that exist right
now in the way the president is running the country.
Speaker 12 (22:37):
But you have been critical in the past of the
tactic of choosing to shut down the government. You were
in twenty eighteen, you were back in twenty thirteen when
it was a discussion over healthcare. This is what you
said in twenty eighteen, the.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Future of the American healthcare system was a legitimate public
policy issue, as is the.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Security of our borders.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
But we shouldn't be having the discussion amidst a government
shutdround trying to use our nation security and all of
these federal workers and the work that they do as hostages.
Speaker 12 (23:08):
Aren't you doing today exactly what you were criticizing then?
Speaker 13 (23:11):
No, that was a fight over sort of the long
term structure of the American healthcare system. This is an emergency.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, not at all the same, so super super different.
Our friend recking now are second mentioned on the show today.
She tweeted, if Republicans were responsible for the shutdown, we
would be getting the most unbelievable SOB stories by now
about the flight of federal workers because it is the
fault of democrats. I'm hearing next to nothing. No spreads
in the New York Times about like the worker who
(23:41):
has been sent home and is struggling to feed their family.
Nothing like.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
No, this is how you know who's at fault, because
a couple of people who don't have the ability to
parse that are like I've seen a couple of tweets like, wow,
this is like the chillest shutdown ever. I'll tell you
why Yeah, I'll tell you why, because no one is
incentivized to exaggerate every part of it in the same
way that they would be otherwise because it.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Does not help their team, which caused the shutdown.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
In this case, that's rights are furloughed. This is a
real thing that is ongoing. The fact that you're not
hearing news about it.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, and by the way, Trump did make some move
to make sure troops are paid, which of course Democrats
are going to be very mad about, and he's going
to walk them into yet another trap of complaining about
paying the troops during the shutdown. At any rate, we
will keep you up to date on it. There's also
an update in the Virginia governor's race. That race seems
to be tightening at least a little bit. It's again
(24:37):
still an uphill battle for whin some seers who's running
against Abigail Spamberger. But I think she made it slightly
easy for easier for herself by having a pretty good
debate appearance, helped by Abigail Spaanberger's totally dropping the ball
when it came to being asked by win some seers
about j Jones, who is the guy who sent the
(24:59):
murder text, And this is the one minute ad that
the Sears campaign produced using her non answer in this segment.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
Would it take him pulling the trigger? Is that what
would do it? And then you would say he needs
to get out of the race, Abigail, You have nothing
to say, Abigail. What if he said it about your
two children, your three children? Is that when you would
say he should get out of the race, Abigail, You're running.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
To be governor, miss Earl Sears.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
I mean we're talking about murder. We're talking about someone's
life being taken from them. Have you nothing to say
about that? Are you not going to address it? Really,
you can't go any further. You're a governor. You're supposed to.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Stand up for all the people.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
Are you saying political murder is all right? Have some
political courage. What you have done is you are taking
political calculations about your future as governor well as governor.
You have to make hard choices, and that means telling
j Jones to leave the race.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Woo Carol.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, awkward.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Also, I understand what she was trying to do here.
Spanberger was trying to think, I'm going to only take
questions from the moderator, I'm not going to take them
from my opponent. And that may have been by the
letter of the law, right the debate style, but it
does not help in this situation. She also said, like
(26:36):
two minutes of gobbledegook earlier, sort of kind of condemning it,
but also not any not asking him to step down.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
None of that right.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
By the way, she asked Ralph Northam to resign over
the blackface thing, but this is totally fine anyway. There
were other segments where she did say things, but in
this one that is a tactical error that you don't
see that magnitude of that.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Right, I hope it leads to something. It just kills me.
If a terrible candidate like that, who won't condemn murderers texts,
I mean it really like he texted that his opponent's
kids should die. It's such an easy condemnation, Like it
shouldn't be this difficult. Well, and she'll say Republicans, they
would jump all over it and would condemn their own side.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Well, and she'll say, to be sure, no violent rhetoric
is okay.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Moving on, It's like, okay, but what are the actual
consequences for that, especially by the way in Virginia right now,
a couple of other Republicans have actively been threatened by
people who are being arrested for death threats on Republicans
in the state. And that whole ticket is like la
la la, Let's have j Jones be the AG Now
(27:47):
the voting public has reacted, it seems, on the AG race.
Whether it affects the other two on the ticket, I
don't know, But in the AG race, Jason Arras, who
is the Republican, seems to have picked up about six
points since the things started out breaking, which is as
it should be. And I would say so if it
was a Democrat like you should lose six points for
(28:07):
sending those texts, I think yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Speaking of people who seem to love violence, the potential
next mayor of New York Cities or Mom Donnie, did
a run for Gaza this weekend. He is famous for
marching for globalizing the Intifada. He is frequently asked to
condemn it, and he won't. He says that if benjaminette
(28:34):
Yaw who comes to New York, he will arrest him.
Really great guy New York is poised to pick. Of course,
he's running against Andrew Como who you know, I don't
have any love for it all, but would clearly be
the better choice here. Curtis Lewa is a Republican on
that race, who when you're explaining the vote between the
three of them, Mom Donnie seems seems like he's going
to win the whole.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Wait, it wasn't just a five k for Gaza. It
was specifically for UNRAU right, which is the organization which
we have determined is just basically Hamas.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, in charge of at the UN.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Hamas at the UN because they joined forces. And it
is wild to me that that's his social media. He's like, yeah,
I'm gonna do a run. It's not just like for
some innocuous like like choose Jose Andras or something. It's
like a little bit more within bounds, not unrough, for
God's sake. And then people were There was a skit
on SNL this weekend where the character was a Long
(29:31):
Island woman who was making they were making fun of
her for being scared of Mom Donnie, and she called
him a hipster, g hottist And honestly, I gotta look
at a guy running for unra in his in his
calf height, black socks, and I.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Go like, is that a Is that what he is?
That what he is because he doesn't condemn Global is
pretty good.
Speaker 13 (29:51):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I don't watch us and know, but that that's a
really that's a smart point. That's really what he is.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He looks what he sounds like.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
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