December 9, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz break down the growing backlash over U.S. immigration policy, they explore how Europe is reacting to America’s political shifts, the intensifying battle over free speech, and increasing scrutiny of Trump’s border strategy. They also examine The New York Times’ influence on the immigration narrative, emerging leftist political voices, and what early maneuvering for the 2028 presidential election could mean for both parties. Normally is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Tuesday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Okay, are back on normally there with normalistics for when
the news gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am and I'm Carol Marcos. How was your weekend,
Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Oh my gosh, it was great. My football team won,
so I'm walking on air.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, I saw that and thought of you for sure,
and that would be Georgia.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
The Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, your Lions also beat the Cowboys, which was yes, sad.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And I don't watch as much NFL as I used
to because in a mom's life, you just have to
choose a thing. You got to choose.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, and you've chosen college football.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I have, but I do in theory like NFL football
as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, the weekend was exciting. I started seeing tweets about
europe Europeans being angry at Americans, and I didn't know
what was going on, and I kind of enjoyed that.
It was like, we're done with you, America, this is
the last straw. And I didn't know what they were
talking about, and it was a lot of fun not knowing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But it's actually just the Don Draper meme is his
underling at work says to him in the elevator, I
feel sorry for you and he goes, I don't think
about you at all.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's like that is just the best comeback ever, which
is really how I felt about it. And I didn't
want to know. But then one of my followers on Twitter,
old old time follower Keith Becker, told me that the
White House put out a new document on national security
strategy and the Europeans were really unhappy about it. And
(01:33):
I read the document, I read the commentary on the document.
I can't say that I understand what they're so annoyed about,
but I'll tell you a little bit about it. The
new document places a renewed emphasis on sovereignty, national interest,
and realism, basically saying it's not going to that We're
not going to be the world's policeman anymore. But you know,
(01:54):
I think anybody who saw Donald Trump's first term or
these last few months, no, that's going to be a
case by case basis, because we are sometimes going to
be the world's policeman. I think what this document wanted
to do was say that America is out of the
supporting the whole world, and you have to stand in
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your own two feet. You have to get your act together,
and especially for Europe, they were trying to tell them
that economic security, self reliance, perhaps not letting in so
many migrants, perhaps shoring up your own culture. Some all
of these things would be good things. Now, of course, look,
the Trump administration is definitely a little abrasive about this
(02:37):
kind of stuff, and I understand why Europe is annoyed
at the tone shift, but I don't see a massive
change here from where we've been for a while now.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Also, like did they talk junk about us all
the time all the time, Like, yeah, is this a
one way street? You must be super respectful of us.
I parted ways with some people thought back when Jade
Vance gave that speech and included attacks on Europe's free
speech issue, that was unnecessary sort of provocation. But it's
(03:11):
also true. Yeah, it's true. And then it affects American
corporations that have to do business in Europe. Absolutely, If
these are real problems that affect American companies and American people,
you might be tweeting.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right, well, that's the thing, right, It's like, will it
affect American people? I mean, when when Britain arrested their
comedian Graham line him, I think line hand, I think
that was a real red line that they crossed. And
I think Americans need to think, you know, if I'm
tweeting something, if I'm on vacation in Europe and I'm
tweeting something, can I be arrested for it? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, and these are these are considerations that Americans
need to take.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah. I saw a story the other day about a
I think he was a brit who came here, fired
a shotgun at arranged it was and he would arrested
when he got back home. Like our buddy Kate Rosenfield
who writes for the Free Press and Unheard and others,
she did not tweet from Europe when she was there
because because I don't know what they can do to me.
(04:12):
So these things affect Americans. Yeah, I also have even
when the Trump administration is maybe too abrasive for my taste,
and like, is this getting us anywhere? I've been wrong
about that in the past. The NATO ability to stand
up for itself has increased. A Yeah, tough love from Trump,
who is the only person who would ever deliver it.
(04:34):
And I think that Secretary General, the NATO Secretary General
Guy Mark Ruta, he seems to get it, and he
seems to talk to Trump in a way that gets
it and understands that they are strengthening their themselves by
this process. And I just I don't understand why they're
so upset about that part of it. Yeah, now there's
(04:54):
a part where we might where we might be upset
later that they are doing too much and we're not
in charge of them anymore because they know decision.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
There's the Jewish phrase, from your lips to God's ears.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They make bad decisions though, I just can't see it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I can't see them doing too much, Like they're not
even in the universe of doing anything right now. But
for me, this comes from a real place of love.
I love Europe. I want Europe to be better. I
want them to do better. The decline is obvious in Europe.
I shouldn't be that way. It's just you don't want
these societies to fail. They are our allies, Like there
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isn't this lie that, oh, we're not allied with Europe.
Of course we are. Of course we are. And what
has tied us to each other is our common values,
our common backgrounds. All of that has mattered along the road.
But they're veering they're veering into a different place, and
it's worrisome to watch it happen, just the conversations that
they're having in their countries. In Britain and France, they're
(05:55):
not where they should be. And it's still a lot
of like if you talk about the unchecked migration, you're racist.
Like there's still very much in the place where you
can't talk about things, which is where I thought America
was a few years ago. And they have to get
out of that, because if you can't talk about the problems,
you can't fix the problems.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, and that I mean, I mean you'll literally be
arrested for talking about the problems.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And that's that's the issue, is right. It's like because
of they the liberal sort of overwinging position in Europe
and Britain is that like the cultural distinctions that made
America and Europe and Western society great are bad, actually, right,
those are bad? Yeah, And so if you think that,
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and if your system thinks that, then you can't defend it.
You have no boundaries. You have no way of bringing
people into the society in a healthy fashion because you
can't assert that your society's healthy, right, And so then
you just end up giving everything away literally them, yeah,
culture and materially. And that then means that you accept
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crime against your citizens, all sorts of coddling, all sorts
of fraud, and then you tell everybody that it's for
our own good right and get people in jail for
calling people names instead of people in jail for like
a violent assault on the streets. Yeah, like it's a
bit's a bad deal.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It is. And look, if you're a liberal European listening,
maybe we have some of those listeners. The thing that
you have to think about is that it does push
people to the far right. Even this isn't far right.
But you know, I knew Brexit was going to happen
when I had an English friend of mine post on
Facebook there's nothing special about Britain. There's no reason that
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we should be separate from Europe. I'm like, nobody is like, hey,
my country is nothing special, that does not fly, and
they're going to choose something else, and you're pushing them
away from your own politics. And I also add that
I lived in Europe. I lived in Scotland during the
Clinton years. Do not tell me this is because of
Donald Trump. I also remember how they behaved towards Georgia W. Bush.
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But I also remember how they thought of America during
the Bill Clinton years. So don't try to tell me
this is a Trump thing that they're so mad about America.
We'll be right back with some now it can be told.
Be right back on normally. We are back on normally
where the New York Times has discovered that the Biden
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immigration policies were not so good. Our buddy Justin Young
from the amazing podcast Politics, Politics, Politics, sent me this story,
which is titled how Biden lost American American's faith and Immigration,
and Justin wrote, oh man, first ballot for the now
it can be told hall of Fame, which, my goodness, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It is something else something yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, look,
this is the over and over again. If you had
paid attention to all of the media sources that are
regularly slandered by the New York Times, you would have
all this information.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Right right The New York Times. Yeah, they're just they
let their readers be several years behind the curve. If ever,
so I don't know how anybody reads them and thinks
I understand what's going on in the country or in
the world based on what's in this newspaper. The x
account Blue Sky Libs makes this great point. The New
York Times article repeatedly refers to the border as open
(09:27):
and being opened under Biden. I challenge anyone to find
a New York Times article that refers to an open
border while it was actually open. Yep, that's really it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Well so, and the new revelation here such that it
is is even more embarrassing for the New York Times
because what they allege is that a bunch of staffers
in the Biden campaign and then in the early days
of the administration were like, this will not fly, and
they held Zoom meetings and they were like, this isn't
going to work. Everybody's going to be pulled in. We're
(09:59):
going to be a magne COVID making economies collapse elsewhere,
is going to bring people here. Maybe there are ways
we could forestall that and prevent it. Okay, it seems
like they have quotes from this actual Zoom meeting. I
will assume that that actually happened, But I'm also going
to assume that The New York Times had talked to
these people the entire time during the administration, and they
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all got together and decided to not call it an
open border and not call it the very thing they
called it in this meeting, which was chaos and a
crisis like those Remember, we got in trouble for calling
it chaos. We got in trouble for calling it right
a crisis, and they didn't. No, no, no, no crisis here.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, nothing to see here. On the New York Times
rights mister Biden's policy changes, some of which were halted
by the courts, were not the only causes of that
early surge. The draw of the US economy, which bounced
back quickly from COVID matter too, But the changes signaled
to migrants that the border was opening again. Former AIDS said,
now the border was closed because of the Trump administration
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and the idea that the Biden administration was opening the
border again again. That was something that we couldn't talk
about at the time. When I referred to the borders open,
which it was, it was open. Anytime you can come
and stay in a country, that country's borders are open.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I was told that that was super unfair by pretty
prominent liberal voices, And I maintained the whole time that
liberals were trying to have it both ways, that they
wanted the border to be open, but they didn't want
us to call it an open border.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Other things that we were scolded about pointing out that
Kamala Harris was the borders are they They are still
doing this crap in this article where they say, like, oh,
others say she was the borders are She's named the
borders ark. Guys, we all know what borders are. Is
that one annoys me that they continue to lie about
that one. To your point, In January, the month mister
Biden took office, the US Border Patrol reported seventy five
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thousand encounters with migrants along the southwest border. By March,
that number pasted one hundred and sixty nine thousand in
a month, Okay, and then it went immediately to almost
zero with Trump. And what was the other lie? We
got to pass the Senate package in order?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh yeah, right, No, you don't turned out we totally didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
No, you don't. Can I can I also add this this,
and this to me is like the Democratic Party's problem.
And that doesn't mean that people won't vote for them,
but this is a problem. How was all of this form,
how was all this policy form such that it was
everybody was reacting to the excesses of the Trump administration,
said Cecilia Munoz for help shape and immigration policy in
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the Obama administration and oversaw domestic and economic policy for
the Biden transition team. Soon after being sworn in, mister
Biden issued a one hundred day pause on deportations. He
drastically narrowed the categories of unauthorized immigrants targeted for arrest.
He directed his government to stop building the border wall.
He suspended remain in Mexico. He sent draft legislation to
Congress to create a citizenship pathway for people in the
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country illegally. He kept Title forty two in place, but
stopped using it to turn back children who crossed the border.
We now all that many of those were trafficked and abused.
He did this. These were decisions he made, and they
made them in opposition to Trump, which is not a
good enough way to make decisions.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, just because Trump likes it doesn't mean you shouldn't it.
Just to make it makes no sense. And the whole
article is about the political implications of these policies. Like
the policies themselves are fine. The New York Times things
but Trump was able to capitalize on these policies, so
they're bad. That's just no way to run a government.
And they, you know, they point out anger over a
legal migration help return mister Trump to the presidency. He's
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enacted even more aggressive policies than those mister Biden first
campaigned against. He has drawn outrage from Democrats by sending
masked agents to target immigrants, often aided by National Guard soldiers. Now,
the thing about this is that the New York Times
again wants to have it both ways. They want a
strong immigration policy, but they don't want masked agents who
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are from Ice to come deal with I legal immigrants. Like,
you can't have that. You can't have an open border
that we don't call an open border. Another thing in
this piece at the Times, they have a picture if
you remember, for a few years ago from twenty two
in Del Rio, Texas, it was a border agent pursuing
some migrants on horseback and if you recall the story, yeah,
(14:14):
the lie at the time was that they were whipping
them with the whips and it turned out to be
a complete lie. The New York Times has this picture
and it says the episode made headlines after photographers witnessed
border guards chasing migrants on horseback. The Twitter account Brian
Doherty points out this is revisionist history from the New
York Times. The Times claims that it made news because
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of the photograph of border agents chasing migrants on horseback,
but that's not true. The headlines that the media concocted
was that the agents were chasing the migrants. The lie
was that the agents were whipping the illegals with the reins.
It was a complete and total lie. The reins were
used to control and direct the horses, not whip the illegals.
And that's the thing. The New York Times tells this lie,
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and it doesn't clear up the lie. When it finally
does this, now it can be told, it's still kind
of oh, yeah, this was a big story because they
were being chased on horseback. No, it was a big
story because you lied about it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So yeah, no, this is infuriating, and you're right, this
is about political implications. It's They also claim like, he
didn't really have a vision. Did you read that? Did
you hear the paragraph? I just read? He had a vision.
This was the vision, right, right, right? They just didn't
know that the vision would hurt them, and now they're
mad about the vision having hurt they still like that vision.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So they continue that. You know, he could have addressed
the border crisis faster and eased what became a potent
issue from mister Trump as he sought to return to
the White House and justify the aggressive tactics royaling American
cities today, which begs the question, how is the Democratic
candidate running on this in twenty twenty eight? I mean,
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where are we where? I think the Democrats all raise
their hands for should we have free health care for
legal immigrants in twenty twenty? What does this mean for
twenty twenty eight? Are they still going to run as
the party winking at the open border even seeing the
chaos that we've gone through in this country in the
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last five or so years, where the border crisis really
did hit in such a way that everyday Americans felt it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I assume that the New York Times is doing this
as a warning two Democrats who are currently running, so
that they can get their story straight before twenty twenty six. Right,
I'm not sure what the message is going to be
for Democrats. I think it's real that the American public,
even though fed up with Biden's policies, could sour and
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is probably in the process of souring on some of
Trump's more aggressive stuff to solve the problem. Although I
give you that Goose meme that's like, why do we
need the aggressive resolution? Why do we need aggressive? But
how are they going to get out of this? Because
again this goes back to the europe discussion. If you
do not believe the values in the borders of your
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country are worth defending, then why would you want any
other system than this? And they just they have no
boundaries literally and figuratively, and can't tell anyone that they
actually can't come in that that's not in their ethos.
It's not the over educated latinxt monarker using nonsense class
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of leaders.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And once they're in, they absolutely cannot tell them to leave,
which is the catch twenty two. You don't want to
stop them at the border. You also don't want to
kick them out while they're here. What do you want
to do? How would you like to handle the border crisis?
How would you handle the fact that so many people
will come to the United States if our borders are open,
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and we just can't sustain that. It's not feasible, and
there used to be Democrats, including that famous right winger
Bernie Sanders. He said, you know, if you had open borders,
my god, the whole you know, the whole world would
come to America. That used to be something that they
used to be able to say, and now they cannot
say those words anymore. Even the more moderate people in
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their party can no longer say we can't sustain this.
It'll be very interesting to see how the Gavin Newsom's
of the world handle it and how what he's able
to do in the debates about this in twenty eight, like,
let's see where this goes.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I mean, so far it's removing people is fascism and
we need our maids and landscapers.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, which I'm beleeving the toilets. Apparently the argument that
they make with a straight face.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's not the argument I would make. But it doesn't
sound good except to far lefty people and by the way,
affluent people. This is a class issue. I saw an
interesting tweet and I can't remember who it was from.
Is maybe from a comment on a story that said,
let's pose the quest if all of the immigrants who
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were coming in, we're taking white color right from home cars. Yes,
would be over educated, but not that or you know,
not that upwardly mobile lefty graduate students be in favor
of that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They sure wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Suddenly they'd have boundaries.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You know they would. Yeah, all right, Well we'll see
where what argument the Democrats come up for this in
twenty eight. Look, the Republicans are not always amazing on
lots of things, but I think the we should have
laws and standards and a pathway and a system for
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legal immigration is something that Republicans can pretty easily convey.
And yeah, Americans have soured on immigration in general because
of the illegal immigration problem, and that's a real problem. Look,
I'm an immigrant. I don't want to be anti immigration,
but I get the argument that we need to slow
even legal immigration way down because of what we've endured
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the last five years, millions and millions of people coming
in unvetted. We have to kind of deal with that
problem first.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I agree with you. We'll be right.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Back with more on normally and crazy leftist women on
the ascent, including one who may be running for Senate
in Texas. Be right back. We are back on normally
where we are recording this as Jasmine Crockett considers whether
to get into the race for US Senate from Texas now.
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In October, poll had Crockett leading a hypothetical four way
primary with her Colin Alred, James tell Rico, and Beto
or Rourke. Beto has since chosen not to run, and
as we go to air right now, Colin Alred has
dropped out of the US Senate race in Texas, it
will be James tell Rico and maybe Jasmine Crockett if
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she jumps in today. What do we think, Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean, this does feel like an indication that the
Afton Bay race in Nashville, which we talked about last week,
we wondered whether the signal would be go hard left,
go harder left, and then you'll really have a shot
to win in these red places. I don't think that
is the right thing for the left to do, but
I think that's what they want to do. And honestly,
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we've been in this position before as a Republican party,
where during the Tea Party years, it was like, we're
just really mad at Obama and you need to fight, fight,
fight harder. I don't know what you want to fight
for but just like be more right right and you
turn off a lot of voters. That way, you win primaries,
you don't win generals. So I think that Jasmin Crockett
is going to end up with that problem. She's gonna
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have excitement, she's gonna have media coverage, she's gonna have
a lot of money. She raises a ton of money
by being a reality show Instagram legislator. Like, that's right,
that's the name of the game.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I would also say that she's getting into this because
the Republicans in Texas are in a brutal primary. Incumbent
Senator John Cornyn, state Attorney General Ken Paxton, and US
Representative Wesley Hunt are all running for the seat. Paxton
is favored to win that primary. I think every story
I read says that he has some skeletons in the
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closet that the Democrats are hoping to take advantage of.
There's definitely a sign here for Democrats in Texas that
this is the moment and that's the only reason someone
like Jasmine Crockett would be the candidate for them. I
still don't think she pulls it out in Texas, but
my goodness, if she does.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Somehow my gosh. No. But it's also interesting because the
tall Rico and the all read of it, all those
guys are more moderate signaling. So James tall Rico is
a state representative. Youngish guys looks younger than he is.
He looks very young, but he's you know, evangelical Christians.
Speaks about faith campaigns from the tailgate of his pickup.
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You know, he does the things. She feels much more
Beto o'rouric like, I bring in a lot of money,
I get Vogue covers, and I can't really do this
thing where I pretend to be moderate.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, Beto ran as a moderate against Ted Cruz. I
think that's like when he ran for president, he ran
as a completely different Beto.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
That's true, that's true. Yeah, original Beto was more moderate
and original Beta. Yeah, that's a smarter approach. It's not
an approach that Crockett is going to even attempt to make.
And tell Errico would I think Alred might have. You know, eventually,
there will be problems for Republicans in Texas because people
are fleeing blue states and moving to Texas. And what
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they tend to do is they vote blue once they've
ruined their old place, and then they come to the
new place. And so you have to keep convincing people
that you're the party that will keep Texas Texas, and
Crockett is going to be I don't know, crock is
just going to be saying America and Texas's trash anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, I don't know that that applies even I think
that blue people, like even the blue people who move
to these red states, are more conservative than the place
that they left behind. Yes, a lot of them are
still tied to the Democratic Party, and that's terrible. I'd
say that. You know, Florida was kind of an outlier
in this because the steake got way redder as they
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got this influx of people, including me so.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And that's because that's partly because DeSantis, with his policies
and good governance, is in the business of convincing people
that the party in charge is doing what it's supposed
to be doing. But I think this will cause some
heartburn for Democrats who wished to give this a go.
Can I tell you about another lefty woman who is
a sellmant right now? Have you seen Jennifer Welch, who
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is a former Bravo celebrity who.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Helped I didn't realize she was a former Bravo celebrity. Yes,
she had a story.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
She had a two season interior design show about she
herself and her now podcast partner doing interior design in
Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay, me and what me and you do after this?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Hey, let's give it a try. But I just want
to This is the person who's like popped up as
their I don't you know? They're looking for their Joe Rogan. Right,
So Hassan Piker and this woman are the two.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
She is, of course very pro palaestinning and thanks beating
at and Yahoo is a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So there's that, uh that takes right now on the left.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
She has that in favor with Hassan Piker. She's a
very rich lady. She does design for very rich people.
She opens her podcast with Patriots, Gatriots, Theatriots, Black triots,
and Brown triots. Yikes. The name of the show is
I've Had It. She has a mostly silent co host
who just sits there and smiles at her, which is interesting.
(25:36):
In fact, that's in the profile by the New York Times,
just to give you an indication of where Jennifer Welch
is on the ideological spectrum. Let's have her signature intro
to her podcast here.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It is ready one, two, three, Patriots, gatriots, patriots, black triots,
brown triots, and all of maggot can do wet pumps slick.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yikes.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Now The New York Times is a course fawningly profiling
this person, and I just I'm not sure that this
is the path that they want to go down electorally.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, is it again? The new Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan
is a Democrat. I know, on I know, just keep
your original Joe Rogan, Like, why do you need a
new one?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I like this part. The writer talks about her meeting her.
When I met miss Welch at her apartment one November morning,
she opened the door to reveal a four foot tall
pop art painting of the former Supreme Court Justice Ruth
Bader Ginsburg. She offered me a rose colored glass of water,
which I sat down atop a coaster of Barack Obama's face.
We sat on her blushed velvet couch, which Miss Welsh
(26:42):
had reupholstered from its original gray. Okay, every woman, every
woman is what I'm hearing. And then this is again
this is the Tim Waltz problem. Libs see a football
coach from Minnesota and they go, that's what normal people like.
Yeahs from Oklahoma. She grew up in Oklahoma and Texas.
(27:02):
She has a southern accent. So they're like, that's what
enormy's like, right, and so, but that's not it. It's
just like she's playing the part. She's actually signaling very
rich liberal lady that's with an accent.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You're right, Look, I mean Republicans conservatives are not immune
from this. I think some of the time they you know,
I I'm not mentioning any crazy podcasters by name, but
I think some of it is like, oh, we have
somebody black who's saying, you know, conservative things like let's
elevate this person without much you know, background checking or
(27:37):
really looking into her. So I think a lot of
it is it happens on both sides. But the Libs
going through this right now like just you know, it's
really sweet to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
And she's she does I will I will say I
think she is preparing Democrats, unlike Kamala Harris was prepared
to actually be able to sit down and take some
hits like she does. Ask harder questions than CBS does.
Now I think, do I agree with the premises of
those questions. No, but people kind of have to go
to her show now and they're doing it, so that's interesting.
(28:07):
I want to end with one last like perfectly lib
anecdote about this woman affluent Lib. This follow Miss Welch
and her spouse Josh, helped their youngest son move into
a dorm at the University of Southern California. She knows
many women who have felt directionless when their children left home. Instead,
she moved out too. She told Josh she wanted to
experience a midlife gap year in the city with her dogs,
(28:29):
where she would be well positioned to build her empires
of liberal podcasting and interior design. She moved to Manhattan,
and soon she was outside mister Momdani's victory party on
election night getting mobbed for selfies. Hardlands up right there.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That marriage is in trouble. I'll tell you that. The
tell is that they don't want to be together.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's a little clue midlife gap year.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't know that
many women or men actually either, who would take midlife
gap years without getting actually divorced, so good luck to them.
Every woman who lives in Manhattan and goes to move
Donnie's victory parties. Sure, why not?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
These are Barack Obama coasters. That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am and I'm Carol Marcos. How was your weekend,
Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Oh my gosh, it was great. My football team won,
so I'm walking on air.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yes, I saw that and thought of you for sure,
and that would be Georgia.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
The Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, your Lions also beat the Cowboys, which was yes, sad.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And I don't watch as much NFL as I used
to because in a mom's life, you just have to
choose a thing. You got to choose.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, and you've chosen college football.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I have, but I do in theory like NFL football
as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, the weekend was exciting. I started seeing tweets about
europe Europeans being angry at Americans, and I didn't know
what was going on, and I kind of enjoyed that.
It was like, we're done with you, America, this is
the last straw. And I didn't know what they were
talking about, and it was a lot of fun not knowing.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
But it's actually just the Don Draper meme is his
underling at work says to him in the elevator, I
feel sorry for you and he goes, I don't think
about you at all.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's like that is just the best comeback ever, which
is really how I felt about it. And I didn't
want to know. But then one of my followers on Twitter,
old old time follower Keith Becker, told me that the
White House put out a new document on national security
strategy and the Europeans were really unhappy about it. And
(01:33):
I read the document, I read the commentary on the document.
I can't say that I understand what they're so annoyed about,
but I'll tell you a little bit about it. The
new document places a renewed emphasis on sovereignty, national interest,
and realism, basically saying it's not going to that We're
not going to be the world's policeman anymore. But you know,
(01:54):
I think anybody who saw Donald Trump's first term or
these last few months, no, that's going to be a
case by case basis, because we are sometimes going to
be the world's policeman. I think what this document wanted
to do was say that America is out of the
supporting the whole world, and you have to stand in
(02:15):
your own two feet. You have to get your act together,
and especially for Europe, they were trying to tell them
that economic security, self reliance, perhaps not letting in so
many migrants, perhaps shoring up your own culture. Some all
of these things would be good things. Now, of course, look,
the Trump administration is definitely a little abrasive about this
(02:37):
kind of stuff, and I understand why Europe is annoyed
at the tone shift, but I don't see a massive
change here from where we've been for a while now.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, Also, like did they talk junk about us all
the time all the time, Like, yeah, is this a
one way street? You must be super respectful of us.
I parted ways with some people thought back when Jade
Vance gave that speech and included attacks on Europe's free
speech issue, that was unnecessary sort of provocation. But it's
(03:11):
also true. Yeah, it's true. And then it affects American
corporations that have to do business in Europe. Absolutely, If
these are real problems that affect American companies and American people,
you might be tweeting.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right, well, that's the thing, right, It's like, will it
affect American people? I mean, when when Britain arrested their
comedian Graham line him, I think line hand, I think
that was a real red line that they crossed. And
I think Americans need to think, you know, if I'm
tweeting something, if I'm on vacation in Europe and I'm
tweeting something, can I be arrested for it? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, and these are these are considerations that Americans
need to take.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah. I saw a story the other day about a
I think he was a brit who came here, fired
a shotgun at arranged it was and he would arrested
when he got back home. Like our buddy Kate Rosenfield
who writes for the Free Press and Unheard and others,
she did not tweet from Europe when she was there
because because I don't know what they can do to me.
(04:12):
So these things affect Americans. Yeah, I also have even
when the Trump administration is maybe too abrasive for my taste,
and like, is this getting us anywhere? I've been wrong
about that in the past. The NATO ability to stand
up for itself has increased. A Yeah, tough love from Trump,
who is the only person who would ever deliver it.
(04:34):
And I think that Secretary General, the NATO Secretary General
Guy Mark Ruta, he seems to get it, and he
seems to talk to Trump in a way that gets
it and understands that they are strengthening their themselves by
this process. And I just I don't understand why they're
so upset about that part of it. Yeah, now there's
(04:54):
a part where we might where we might be upset
later that they are doing too much and we're not
in charge of them anymore because they know decision.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
There's the Jewish phrase, from your lips to God's ears.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They make bad decisions though, I just can't see it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I can't see them doing too much, Like they're not
even in the universe of doing anything right now. But
for me, this comes from a real place of love.
I love Europe. I want Europe to be better. I
want them to do better. The decline is obvious in Europe.
I shouldn't be that way. It's just you don't want
these societies to fail. They are our allies, Like there
(05:32):
isn't this lie that, oh, we're not allied with Europe.
Of course we are. Of course we are. And what
has tied us to each other is our common values,
our common backgrounds. All of that has mattered along the road.
But they're veering they're veering into a different place, and
it's worrisome to watch it happen, just the conversations that
they're having in their countries. In Britain and France, they're
(05:55):
not where they should be. And it's still a lot
of like if you talk about the unchecked migration, you're racist.
Like there's still very much in the place where you
can't talk about things, which is where I thought America
was a few years ago. And they have to get
out of that, because if you can't talk about the problems,
you can't fix the problems.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, and that I mean, I mean you'll literally be
arrested for talking about the problems.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And that's that's the issue, is right. It's like because
of they the liberal sort of overwinging position in Europe
and Britain is that like the cultural distinctions that made
America and Europe and Western society great are bad, actually, right,
those are bad? Yeah, And so if you think that,
(06:41):
and if your system thinks that, then you can't defend it.
You have no boundaries. You have no way of bringing
people into the society in a healthy fashion because you
can't assert that your society's healthy, right, And so then
you just end up giving everything away literally them, yeah,
culture and materially. And that then means that you accept
(07:03):
crime against your citizens, all sorts of coddling, all sorts
of fraud, and then you tell everybody that it's for
our own good right and get people in jail for
calling people names instead of people in jail for like
a violent assault on the streets. Yeah, like it's a
bit's a bad deal.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It is. And look, if you're a liberal European listening,
maybe we have some of those listeners. The thing that
you have to think about is that it does push
people to the far right. Even this isn't far right.
But you know, I knew Brexit was going to happen
when I had an English friend of mine post on
Facebook there's nothing special about Britain. There's no reason that
(07:40):
we should be separate from Europe. I'm like, nobody is like, hey,
my country is nothing special, that does not fly, and
they're going to choose something else, and you're pushing them
away from your own politics. And I also add that
I lived in Europe. I lived in Scotland during the
Clinton years. Do not tell me this is because of
Donald Trump. I also remember how they behaved towards Georgia W. Bush.
(08:02):
But I also remember how they thought of America during
the Bill Clinton years. So don't try to tell me
this is a Trump thing that they're so mad about America.
We'll be right back with some now it can be told.
Be right back on normally. We are back on normally
where the New York Times has discovered that the Biden
(08:25):
immigration policies were not so good. Our buddy Justin Young
from the amazing podcast Politics, Politics, Politics, sent me this story,
which is titled how Biden lost American American's faith and Immigration,
and Justin wrote, oh man, first ballot for the now
it can be told hall of Fame, which, my goodness, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It is something else something yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, look,
this is the over and over again. If you had
paid attention to all of the media sources that are
regularly slandered by the New York Times, you would have
all this information.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Right right The New York Times. Yeah, they're just they
let their readers be several years behind the curve. If ever,
so I don't know how anybody reads them and thinks
I understand what's going on in the country or in
the world based on what's in this newspaper. The x
account Blue Sky Libs makes this great point. The New
York Times article repeatedly refers to the border as open
(09:27):
and being opened under Biden. I challenge anyone to find
a New York Times article that refers to an open
border while it was actually open. Yep, that's really it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Well so, and the new revelation here such that it
is is even more embarrassing for the New York Times
because what they allege is that a bunch of staffers
in the Biden campaign and then in the early days
of the administration were like, this will not fly, and
they held Zoom meetings and they were like, this isn't
going to work. Everybody's going to be pulled in. We're
(09:59):
going to be a magne COVID making economies collapse elsewhere,
is going to bring people here. Maybe there are ways
we could forestall that and prevent it. Okay, it seems
like they have quotes from this actual Zoom meeting. I
will assume that that actually happened, But I'm also going
to assume that The New York Times had talked to
these people the entire time during the administration, and they
(10:19):
all got together and decided to not call it an
open border and not call it the very thing they
called it in this meeting, which was chaos and a
crisis like those Remember, we got in trouble for calling
it chaos. We got in trouble for calling it right
a crisis, and they didn't. No, no, no, no crisis here.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, nothing to see here. On the New York Times
rights mister Biden's policy changes, some of which were halted
by the courts, were not the only causes of that
early surge. The draw of the US economy, which bounced
back quickly from COVID matter too, But the changes signaled
to migrants that the border was opening again. Former AIDS said,
now the border was closed because of the Trump administration
(10:59):
and the idea that the Biden administration was opening the
border again again. That was something that we couldn't talk
about at the time. When I referred to the borders open,
which it was, it was open. Anytime you can come
and stay in a country, that country's borders are open.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I was told that that was super unfair by pretty
prominent liberal voices, And I maintained the whole time that
liberals were trying to have it both ways, that they
wanted the border to be open, but they didn't want
us to call it an open border.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Other things that we were scolded about pointing out that
Kamala Harris was the borders are they They are still
doing this crap in this article where they say, like, oh,
others say she was the borders are She's named the
borders ark. Guys, we all know what borders are. Is
that one annoys me that they continue to lie about
that one. To your point, In January, the month mister
Biden took office, the US Border Patrol reported seventy five
(11:51):
thousand encounters with migrants along the southwest border. By March,
that number pasted one hundred and sixty nine thousand in
a month, Okay, and then it went immediately to almost
zero with Trump. And what was the other lie? We
got to pass the Senate package in order?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh yeah, right, No, you don't turned out we totally didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
No, you don't. Can I can I also add this this,
and this to me is like the Democratic Party's problem.
And that doesn't mean that people won't vote for them,
but this is a problem. How was all of this form,
how was all this policy form such that it was
everybody was reacting to the excesses of the Trump administration,
said Cecilia Munoz for help shape and immigration policy in
(12:29):
the Obama administration and oversaw domestic and economic policy for
the Biden transition team. Soon after being sworn in, mister
Biden issued a one hundred day pause on deportations. He
drastically narrowed the categories of unauthorized immigrants targeted for arrest.
He directed his government to stop building the border wall.
He suspended remain in Mexico. He sent draft legislation to
Congress to create a citizenship pathway for people in the
(12:51):
country illegally. He kept Title forty two in place, but
stopped using it to turn back children who crossed the border.
We now all that many of those were trafficked and abused.
He did this. These were decisions he made, and they
made them in opposition to Trump, which is not a
good enough way to make decisions.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, just because Trump likes it doesn't mean you shouldn't it.
Just to make it makes no sense. And the whole
article is about the political implications of these policies. Like
the policies themselves are fine. The New York Times things
but Trump was able to capitalize on these policies, so
they're bad. That's just no way to run a government.
And they, you know, they point out anger over a
legal migration help return mister Trump to the presidency. He's
(13:31):
enacted even more aggressive policies than those mister Biden first
campaigned against. He has drawn outrage from Democrats by sending
masked agents to target immigrants, often aided by National Guard soldiers. Now,
the thing about this is that the New York Times
again wants to have it both ways. They want a
strong immigration policy, but they don't want masked agents who
(13:51):
are from Ice to come deal with I legal immigrants. Like,
you can't have that. You can't have an open border
that we don't call an open border. Another thing in
this piece at the Times, they have a picture if
you remember, for a few years ago from twenty two
in Del Rio, Texas, it was a border agent pursuing
some migrants on horseback and if you recall the story, yeah,
(14:14):
the lie at the time was that they were whipping
them with the whips and it turned out to be
a complete lie. The New York Times has this picture
and it says the episode made headlines after photographers witnessed
border guards chasing migrants on horseback. The Twitter account Brian
Doherty points out this is revisionist history from the New
York Times. The Times claims that it made news because
(14:35):
of the photograph of border agents chasing migrants on horseback,
but that's not true. The headlines that the media concocted
was that the agents were chasing the migrants. The lie
was that the agents were whipping the illegals with the reins.
It was a complete and total lie. The reins were
used to control and direct the horses, not whip the illegals.
And that's the thing. The New York Times tells this lie,
(14:57):
and it doesn't clear up the lie. When it finally
does this, now it can be told, it's still kind
of oh, yeah, this was a big story because they
were being chased on horseback. No, it was a big
story because you lied about it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So yeah, no, this is infuriating, and you're right, this
is about political implications. It's They also claim like, he
didn't really have a vision. Did you read that? Did
you hear the paragraph? I just read? He had a vision.
This was the vision, right, right, right? They just didn't
know that the vision would hurt them, and now they're
mad about the vision having hurt they still like that vision.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So they continue that. You know, he could have addressed
the border crisis faster and eased what became a potent
issue from mister Trump as he sought to return to
the White House and justify the aggressive tactics royaling American
cities today, which begs the question, how is the Democratic
candidate running on this in twenty twenty eight? I mean,
(15:55):
where are we where? I think the Democrats all raise
their hands for should we have free health care for
legal immigrants in twenty twenty? What does this mean for
twenty twenty eight? Are they still going to run as
the party winking at the open border even seeing the
chaos that we've gone through in this country in the
(16:17):
last five or so years, where the border crisis really
did hit in such a way that everyday Americans felt it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I assume that the New York Times is doing this
as a warning two Democrats who are currently running, so
that they can get their story straight before twenty twenty six. Right,
I'm not sure what the message is going to be
for Democrats. I think it's real that the American public,
even though fed up with Biden's policies, could sour and
(16:46):
is probably in the process of souring on some of
Trump's more aggressive stuff to solve the problem. Although I
give you that Goose meme that's like, why do we
need the aggressive resolution? Why do we need aggressive? But
how are they going to get out of this? Because
again this goes back to the europe discussion. If you
do not believe the values in the borders of your
(17:07):
country are worth defending, then why would you want any
other system than this? And they just they have no
boundaries literally and figuratively, and can't tell anyone that they
actually can't come in that that's not in their ethos.
It's not the over educated latinxt monarker using nonsense class
(17:31):
of leaders.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And once they're in, they absolutely cannot tell them to leave,
which is the catch twenty two. You don't want to
stop them at the border. You also don't want to
kick them out while they're here. What do you want
to do? How would you like to handle the border crisis?
How would you handle the fact that so many people
will come to the United States if our borders are open,
(17:52):
and we just can't sustain that. It's not feasible, and
there used to be Democrats, including that famous right winger
Bernie Sanders. He said, you know, if you had open borders,
my god, the whole you know, the whole world would
come to America. That used to be something that they
used to be able to say, and now they cannot
say those words anymore. Even the more moderate people in
(18:14):
their party can no longer say we can't sustain this.
It'll be very interesting to see how the Gavin Newsom's
of the world handle it and how what he's able
to do in the debates about this in twenty eight, like,
let's see where this goes.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I mean, so far it's removing people is fascism and
we need our maids and landscapers.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, which I'm beleeving the toilets. Apparently the argument that
they make with a straight face.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's not the argument I would make. But it doesn't
sound good except to far lefty people and by the way,
affluent people. This is a class issue. I saw an
interesting tweet and I can't remember who it was from.
Is maybe from a comment on a story that said,
let's pose the quest if all of the immigrants who
(19:01):
were coming in, we're taking white color right from home cars. Yes,
would be over educated, but not that or you know,
not that upwardly mobile lefty graduate students be in favor
of that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
They sure wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Suddenly they'd have boundaries.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You know they would. Yeah, all right, Well we'll see
where what argument the Democrats come up for this in
twenty eight. Look, the Republicans are not always amazing on
lots of things, but I think the we should have
laws and standards and a pathway and a system for
(19:39):
legal immigration is something that Republicans can pretty easily convey.
And yeah, Americans have soured on immigration in general because
of the illegal immigration problem, and that's a real problem. Look,
I'm an immigrant. I don't want to be anti immigration,
but I get the argument that we need to slow
even legal immigration way down because of what we've endured
(20:00):
the last five years, millions and millions of people coming
in unvetted. We have to kind of deal with that
problem first.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I agree with you. We'll be right.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Back with more on normally and crazy leftist women on
the ascent, including one who may be running for Senate
in Texas. Be right back. We are back on normally
where we are recording this as Jasmine Crockett considers whether
to get into the race for US Senate from Texas now.
(20:32):
In October, poll had Crockett leading a hypothetical four way
primary with her Colin Alred, James tell Rico, and Beto
or Rourke. Beto has since chosen not to run, and
as we go to air right now, Colin Alred has
dropped out of the US Senate race in Texas, it
will be James tell Rico and maybe Jasmine Crockett if
(20:53):
she jumps in today. What do we think, Mary Catherine?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean, this does feel like an indication that the
Afton Bay race in Nashville, which we talked about last week,
we wondered whether the signal would be go hard left,
go harder left, and then you'll really have a shot
to win in these red places. I don't think that
is the right thing for the left to do, but
I think that's what they want to do. And honestly,
(21:17):
we've been in this position before as a Republican party,
where during the Tea Party years, it was like, we're
just really mad at Obama and you need to fight, fight,
fight harder. I don't know what you want to fight
for but just like be more right right and you
turn off a lot of voters. That way, you win primaries,
you don't win generals. So I think that Jasmin Crockett
is going to end up with that problem. She's gonna
(21:37):
have excitement, she's gonna have media coverage, she's gonna have
a lot of money. She raises a ton of money
by being a reality show Instagram legislator. Like, that's right,
that's the name of the game.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I would also say that she's getting into this because
the Republicans in Texas are in a brutal primary. Incumbent
Senator John Cornyn, state Attorney General Ken Paxton, and US
Representative Wesley Hunt are all running for the seat. Paxton
is favored to win that primary. I think every story
I read says that he has some skeletons in the
(22:11):
closet that the Democrats are hoping to take advantage of.
There's definitely a sign here for Democrats in Texas that
this is the moment and that's the only reason someone
like Jasmine Crockett would be the candidate for them. I
still don't think she pulls it out in Texas, but
my goodness, if she does.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Somehow my gosh. No. But it's also interesting because the
tall Rico and the all read of it, all those
guys are more moderate signaling. So James tall Rico is
a state representative. Youngish guys looks younger than he is.
He looks very young, but he's you know, evangelical Christians.
Speaks about faith campaigns from the tailgate of his pickup.
(22:50):
You know, he does the things. She feels much more
Beto o'rouric like, I bring in a lot of money,
I get Vogue covers, and I can't really do this
thing where I pretend to be moderate.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, Beto ran as a moderate against Ted Cruz. I
think that's like when he ran for president, he ran
as a completely different Beto.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
That's true, that's true. Yeah, original Beto was more moderate
and original Beta. Yeah, that's a smarter approach. It's not
an approach that Crockett is going to even attempt to make.
And tell Errico would I think Alred might have. You know, eventually,
there will be problems for Republicans in Texas because people
are fleeing blue states and moving to Texas. And what
(23:31):
they tend to do is they vote blue once they've
ruined their old place, and then they come to the
new place. And so you have to keep convincing people
that you're the party that will keep Texas Texas, and
Crockett is going to be I don't know, crock is
just going to be saying America and Texas's trash anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, I don't know that that applies even I think
that blue people, like even the blue people who move
to these red states, are more conservative than the place
that they left behind. Yes, a lot of them are
still tied to the Democratic Party, and that's terrible. I'd
say that. You know, Florida was kind of an outlier
in this because the steake got way redder as they
(24:09):
got this influx of people, including me so.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And that's because that's partly because DeSantis, with his policies
and good governance, is in the business of convincing people
that the party in charge is doing what it's supposed
to be doing. But I think this will cause some
heartburn for Democrats who wished to give this a go.
Can I tell you about another lefty woman who is
a sellmant right now? Have you seen Jennifer Welch, who
(24:34):
is a former Bravo celebrity who.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Helped I didn't realize she was a former Bravo celebrity. Yes,
she had a story.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
She had a two season interior design show about she
herself and her now podcast partner doing interior design in
Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay, me and what me and you do after this?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Hey, let's give it a try. But I just want
to This is the person who's like popped up as
their I don't you know? They're looking for their Joe Rogan. Right,
So Hassan Piker and this woman are the two.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
She is, of course very pro palaestinning and thanks beating
at and Yahoo is a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So there's that, uh that takes right now on the left.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
She has that in favor with Hassan Piker. She's a
very rich lady. She does design for very rich people.
She opens her podcast with Patriots, Gatriots, Theatriots, Black triots,
and Brown triots. Yikes. The name of the show is
I've Had It. She has a mostly silent co host
who just sits there and smiles at her, which is interesting.
(25:36):
In fact, that's in the profile by the New York Times,
just to give you an indication of where Jennifer Welch
is on the ideological spectrum. Let's have her signature intro
to her podcast here.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It is ready one, two, three, Patriots, gatriots, patriots, black triots,
brown triots, and all of maggot can do wet pumps slick.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yikes.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Now The New York Times is a course fawningly profiling
this person, and I just I'm not sure that this
is the path that they want to go down electorally.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, is it again? The new Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan
is a Democrat. I know, on I know, just keep
your original Joe Rogan, Like, why do you need a
new one?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I like this part. The writer talks about her meeting her.
When I met miss Welch at her apartment one November morning,
she opened the door to reveal a four foot tall
pop art painting of the former Supreme Court Justice Ruth
Bader Ginsburg. She offered me a rose colored glass of water,
which I sat down atop a coaster of Barack Obama's face.
We sat on her blushed velvet couch, which Miss Welsh
(26:42):
had reupholstered from its original gray. Okay, every woman, every
woman is what I'm hearing. And then this is again
this is the Tim Waltz problem. Libs see a football
coach from Minnesota and they go, that's what normal people like.
Yeahs from Oklahoma. She grew up in Oklahoma and Texas.
(27:02):
She has a southern accent. So they're like, that's what
enormy's like, right, and so, but that's not it. It's
just like she's playing the part. She's actually signaling very
rich liberal lady that's with an accent.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You're right, Look, I mean Republicans conservatives are not immune
from this. I think some of the time they you know,
I I'm not mentioning any crazy podcasters by name, but
I think some of it is like, oh, we have
somebody black who's saying, you know, conservative things like let's
elevate this person without much you know, background checking or
(27:37):
really looking into her. So I think a lot of
it is it happens on both sides. But the Libs
going through this right now like just you know, it's
really sweet to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
And she's she does I will I will say I
think she is preparing Democrats, unlike Kamala Harris was prepared
to actually be able to sit down and take some
hits like she does. Ask harder questions than CBS does.
Now I think, do I agree with the premises of
those questions. No, but people kind of have to go
to her show now and they're doing it, so that's interesting.
(28:07):
I want to end with one last like perfectly lib
anecdote about this woman affluent Lib. This follow Miss Welch
and her spouse Josh, helped their youngest son move into
a dorm at the University of Southern California. She knows
many women who have felt directionless when their children left home. Instead,
she moved out too. She told Josh she wanted to
experience a midlife gap year in the city with her dogs,
(28:29):
where she would be well positioned to build her empires
of liberal podcasting and interior design. She moved to Manhattan,
and soon she was outside mister Momdani's victory party on
election night getting mobbed for selfies. Hardlands up right there.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
That marriage is in trouble. I'll tell you that. The
tell is that they don't want to be together.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's a little clue midlife gap year.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't know that
many women or men actually either, who would take midlife
gap years without getting actually divorced, so good luck to them.
Every woman who lives in Manhattan and goes to move
Donnie's victory parties. Sure, why not?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
These are Barack Obama coasters. That's right.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
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