On this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz break down a whirlwind of headlines—from Middle East tensions to true crime shocks and government spending gone wild.
The show opens with analysis of President Trump’s unexpected ceasefire with Iran, ongoing violations, and what it all means for U.S. strategy, global markets, and the Strait of Hormuz. Is this a calculated negotiation tactic—or chaos with consequences?
Then, the hosts dive into the shocking latest developments in the Gilgo Beach serial killer case, including a major guilty plea and new questions about additional unsolved murders.
Plus, a jaw-dropping look at California’s high-speed rail project, now facing a staggering $125 billion shortfall—raising bigger questions about government spending, fraud, and accountability nationwide.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
We are back normally, so which normally the names gets weird.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm Mary, Cathyham, I'm Carol Markowitz, Barry Catherine. The news
is freaking weird.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
That's freaking weird, man, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
As we're recording this, there's a temporary ceasefire between Iran
and the United States. It's supposed to apply to allies
as well. Iran is already breaking it. We have no
idea what's going to happen by the time this episode airs.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, the information we do know is that Trump sent
the truth social that said a civilization will die tonight,
and a lot of people flipped out, and you and
I thought, I feel like this is part of upping
the anti so that he gets his negotiation on a
different footing, which is usually what he's doing in these situations.
(00:59):
I understand the part where you go, the President of
the United States is tweeting this crazy stuff and it
includes possible war crimes, and that's bad and that's not
how we do things. And I'm scared that he might
do it because cultivating a mad man theory means to
some extent people worry that you might do the thing right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Right, right, Well, that's what makes it effective?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, so that part I understand.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The part I don't understand is when he doesn't and
achieves some sort of shift in negotiations and a ceasefire.
The same people yeah saying Trump chickened out by not
doing the war crimes and the genociding that they were
worried about in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That party do not understand.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right, if you are horrified by his you know, wiping
out a civilization bluster, but then disappointed by the ceasefire,
make it make sense, like which of these are you?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I am confused.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
What we do know is that the deal was supposed
to be a ceasefire, which is note Iran has violated
continually since in the eighteen hours since this went into
effect or what have you, in all directions to UAE others,
and so presumably they're not going to be putting up
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with that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
We'll see what Trump says. The straight or form US
is supposed to be open.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But it's not, and Iran is blaming that on Israel
hitting Hesbola in Lebanon, to which Trump said they weren't
part of the ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right, And there does seem.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
To be a lot of assumptions on the part of
the media about what the ceasefire deal entails, alleging that
Trump accepted on its face every one of Iran's things
on a wish list. And I just don't buy that
part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I don't understand who does. And again, I think
it's so strange that you and I are in the
position of defending Donald Trump as a person. It makes
very little sense to me that you and I are
understanding what he's doing, but his like alleged intense supporters,
you know, the Tuckers of the world and those kind
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of people, are pretending that this is all completely brand
new to him, like Tucker being offended on behalf of
Muslims that Donald Trump said, you know, praise be to
Allah in a sarcastic tone on Easter, like welcome, welcome, dude.
He's been president, you know, we're into his sixth year
of his presidency, four years in between where he was
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still in the national conversation daily. If any of this
is surprising to you, I don't understand, and I don't know.
I also think that if this I had no illusion
that the ceasefire will hold. I mean, you know, maybe
it will. Maybe we go to this runs tomorrow. Maybe
Iran and Trump figure out a way to really have
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the ceasefire hold. I kind of don't think so, because, again,
in my reading of Donald Trump is he's not going
to accept the strait of her moves being blocked. And
as we're recording this, Fox News is reporting that they
have blocked two ships from the strait. Kuwait was reporting
there under attack. Cluster bombs landed in Israel yesterday. So
all of this says to me that this ceasefire is
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not going to hold. But if it were to hold,
I'd be happy about that. I would feel good about that.
I don't want a long war. I don't want war
to go on, and I think we've achieved a lot
of our objective. So let me redo two tweets that
kind of summarize what I'm thinking about this. Arman Rosen tweets.
If this ceasefire winds up happening, the bold Iranian gambit
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to trade much of their senior leadership, most of their navy,
at least half their missile launchers, the lives of thousands
of security personnel, various bridges and rail lines, steal in
petrochemical plants, their deterrens, their nuclear infrastructure, their air defenses,
and the ability to use Dubai as a sanctions of
Asian's hub for the possibility of charging tolls for merchants
shipping on the Strait of her MOUs will have been
(04:57):
a titanic failure. I don't even I think they're going
to get the tolls on the Strait of Hormuz. But
you know, let's say, let's say that's where we wind up.
How is that not a win for us?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And it's also don't get it. It's also two weeks
of ceasefire and negotiation.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
For a maybe right, right right.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I don't like the way Trump is talking about like, yeah,
we're just going to do business with them and we'll
split the tolls.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And it's like, okay, please, I.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Can't believe any of that. I just feel like it's
all right, it's all just words that he's saying to
get what he wants. But yeah, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I'm of two minds about this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I do think there's concern that once you have stopped
that the political costs at home of continuing goes up. Right,
So if you need to resume, as I think you do,
after Iran has violated. That becomes a harder political question
for Donald Trump. Now we can talk more broadly about
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our relatively low tolerance for these things and why that
matters on the world scene. I think, you know, it's
well earned after twenty years of war, wearyness, understandable to
stand withdrawal being horrific as a sort of exclamation point
on that period of time. I think the remedy for
that is to decisively win a war, and this seems
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like one that is tactically going well. I just don't
know what the strategy is from here, nor do a
lot of people, right, and that's part of what Trump does.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So I am a little concerned that restarting will be difficult.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That the market responding so well to the news that
hermus will be open makes Trump go great, it's right, right,
So we'll see how he reacts to that. But I
think you're right that a lot of people with when
it's Trump, they just forget. They're like, oh, we're at
status quo ante, And I'm like, I don't think we're
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at status quo ante. As Eli Lake puts it, in
five weeks of war, the regime has lost its navy,
most of its missile launchers and a good chunk of
its defense industrial base, along with the top tier of
its political and military leadership. Add to this the damage
already done to its nuclear program in last June's twelve
Day war. There are more than nine hundred pounds of
uranium buried under the rubble of what used to be
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underground in Richmond facilities. A year ago, Iran was on
the brink of obtaining a nuclear weapon and the ballistic
missiles to deliver it as far as Europe. Today, the
regimes military has been reduced to a shell of itself.
That doesn't mean a clear win maybe in many people's
minds in America, which is something Trump needs to deal
with and a message of sense, but that's a big
will and it makes it also Commanie's dead, by the way, Yeah,
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And it makes it much harder for them to reach
outside of Iran to terrorize people.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Absolutely, that's such a big thing. The fact that they
have lost so much influence is humongous. And I was
going to read a very similar comment from David Hersiani
who also sums up all the things that they've lost,
and I just again, you can hate Donald Trump, you
can hate this war you can hate Warren General, you
can hate all of it, but to say that America
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didn't get anything out of these last few weeks is crazy.
It's absolutely crazy. And we got to like see what
our capabilities are on the world stage. It's it's been
breathtaking to watch. And again, you could oppose all of
this and still say, wow, we won this. I don't
understand how you look at it in another sense.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Well, you've also seen the Gulf States rally with both
America and notably Israel. Yep, that's a big deal. They
have shifted those alliances against themselves, Aaron has by their
behavior during this. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And then China and Russia have sort of barely lifted
a finger. Now there is a question during this ceasefire
whether Russia and China start shipping stuff in to make
it easier for them to learn and adapt and do
new things. But by the way, by the way, they
had a lot of time to prepare for this war.
There was like decades where they were preparing for as.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, or even the months in advance where Trump was like,
I'm going to attack you. I'm going to attack you.
I don't see it. Only because Russia needs its own
supplies for their ongoing war in Ukraine. China seems like,
why did we back these losers? They really don't seem like, oh,
we're on this side.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They're very very quiet.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They're not blustery at all, and that's a tell. I mean,
I don't know again how to look at it and anything, but.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, we will see where it goes. Like it could
all change within eighteen hours. But this is what we
this is what we know thus far. And I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I'm with you, and that people discount what has already happened.
And also, I think the cost of Trump being unconventional
and not clearly communicating this is what I want to
achieve means that And because he likes to declare that
anything is the thing he wanted to achieve, means that
voters are going to be like, but what's the thing
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that we achieved?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
People who don't follow this all the time are going
to need to be messaged and clearly told that, and
he has missed opportunities to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Even though he does talk about it, he doesn't talked
about it in the sort of traditional presidential way.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I agree, I think, and either of the tweets that
you and I read sum up a lot of the
success that we've had. And Donald Trump can say that
to the American people and mean it because it's true.
Another tweet I enjoyed from Klay Travis, he says, yesterday,
many experts, that's in quotes, experts told you we were
headed for nuclear war and spent the entire day losing
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their minds. Today the Dow opens up up three hundred points,
SMP rises nearly three percent, and oil has dropped to
twenty dollars dropped twenty dollars a barrel. As always, it
pays to be rational. Congrats to those who didn't lose
their minds. This goes back to what we talk about
a lot, which is we would be the same people
we are if this was Joe Biden. And if you're
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not the same person you are, if you don't have
the same beliefs, if you're Bill Chris, that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I mean, the thing where you're afraid of genocide and
the destruction of a civilization at nine am and by
seven pm you're like.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What a wuss? Yeah, Taco, No, that's a note for me.
That's a note for me that that gear shift I
can't do.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, it's crazy. Also, Adam Francisco points out that gas
prices collapsed and CNN removed the grass price graphic from
their homepage, because of course they did.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
We're going to take a short break.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And be right back with more on Normally. We are
back on Normally. Where a case that has really.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Gripped New York.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean, it was years and years of bodies piling
up near Gilgel Beach on Long Island. It was I'm
not a super murdery person, but it was a huge,
huge story for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Sorry, I don't mean to make life. It's just I
don't know it. It is correct.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
A lot of women are into the murdering, and I
do not consider myself one of those. I mean, I
enjoyed the occasional Law and Order episode, but.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, there are a lot of women who are into
the murdering literally and into into the storytelling about the yes,
I meant the latter.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So here's the story of what happened with the Gilgo murderers,
because I'm so fascinated by this. So a woman goes missing,
and when you read the story of this woman going missing,
she's like she was I believe a sex worker and
she was knocking on doors. She had a driver waiting
for her. She was like hysterical. She appeared like somebody
was chasing her. Turns out that that woman might not
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even be involved in any of this, Like she was
ultimately found. Yeah, her body was ultimately found, but it
appears that she died accidentally and is not related to
this case. But as they start looking for this woman,
they just find body after body after body after body,
and so far. He the man who was arrested for
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rex Herman, he was maintaining his innocence for a long
long time, and then today Wednesday, he is due to
plead guilty in court, which is a big shift because
he's been saying the whole time he had nothing to
do with it. He was previously charged with seven murders
and not the woman again, not the woman that went missing.
(13:22):
He's now going to admit to an eighth murder that
was one of the bodies found but wasn't tied to
him originally, And now at least three more corpses are
not tied to him. An Asian man, a woman and
her child were found during these searches, and it appears
that they are not part of his murder spree, which
leads to the question of what in the hell is
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going on in the sleepy Long Island Like the cutest
little area gilgol Beach. You would never think, oh, oh,
let's just go find bodies in the water. So yeah,
And the case of how they found this guy was
very interesting. He was an architect and they somehow tied
him to the first murder and ended up finding finding
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him eating a pizza on the street of Manhattan. He
dumps the pizza in a garbage can, they test the crust.
They tie him to the rest of us. So it's
really interesting, and it's it's bizarre, and it will make
every murder story look, you know, bland in comparison, especially
because again there are at least three more unsolved murders
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that have not so far been tied to him. It's
it's been a long time coming for New York to
get to the end of the story, and him pleading
guilty today will be at least part part of the
way towards that.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Now, Alvin Bragg is not dealing with the plea deal, right,
because that'll be like two and a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, no, I don't want to avoid that.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
No. I am also not super murdery. I occasionally do
like true crime. I find that it's like generally too
dark for me. And I never am a person who
follows cases while they happen, which is a funny thing
because I know that's the breaking news, right. I don't
do that in crime cases. I only watch the documentary
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after the fact, maybe because there's distance or something. But yes,
it's serial killers are, for whatever reason, endlessly fascinating. I mean,
many people are fascinated by them. There is good news
by the way that active sal serial killers went from like, yes,
I have been seven hundred in the.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Eighties to like one hundred. Now we've really cut down.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
On our national supply of serial killers, and that's good
news for us.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's just much harder, right, it's the cameras everywhere, everything
is testable. I mean again, this guy is just like
eating his pizza on the streets of Manhattan, dumps in
a garbage can, and now he's charged with eight murders.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like it's I mean, that's good police.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, yes, it's excellent for those of us not committing murders.
And this is why I think the murdering has gone down.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
This is like a ten year running story in New York,
so a lot of New Yorkers are super invested in
this to see how it turns out. There's been also
in the articles about this, like he was not willing
to settle this case at all. He was and people
were like, do they have the wrong guy? Like it
was really touch and go because he was so adamant
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that he didn't do it, and now he's saying that
he did do it. So we'll see what happens. There's
a three part documentary I haven't seen it, but apparently
people love it, The gilgol Beach Killer House of Secrets.
His family's on the record, his wife has left him.
I mean, apparently being a serial killer is not good
for your marriage.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Guys. Yeah, I will probably watch that at some point.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I do also, just on this dark subject and if
you want a good serial killer story that has a
lot of distance, the book The Devil in the White
City by.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Which Eric Larson.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It is about a serial killer during the eighteen ninety
three Chicago World's Fair who basically kept the equivalent of
an Airbnb at the time, and young women came to
stay in this house that he had built into sort
of a house of horrors.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And it is a.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Great historical account not only of that who is. It's
an incredible story, and I won't spoil any of it
for you because it has so many twists and turns.
But also I got the sense that this guy maybe
just wanted to write a story about the Chicago World's
Fair and needed a hook for it because there's so
much historical information about that huge event in American history.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So it's a great read. He's a great writer, and
I really enjoyed it. This isn't about murder.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But we started watching Ley Miz last night as a family.
I've never seen it before. Like, I had no idea
what it was about, Like the whole early prostitution scenes.
I was like kids, you know, blocking their faces. I
did not know. But anyway, my middle son, who's really
into history, was like, there's no way they pursued this,
you know, bread thief for six years trying to find
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him after he was out on parole. He said they
stopped looking for Jack the Ripper after three months and
they were just like, that's it, no more of this.
And so he doesn't buy that they spent you know,
years and years looking for the bread thief right across
the water in France.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Do you like Lamuz?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I do like Limaz. I don't think I've ever seen
it on stage, though I should. My husband knows a
lot about Lemez because his mom took him to see
it one time, and it was after like a twelve
hour overnight shift and he dozed a little bit during
that play.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I don't think I'm speaking out of school here.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So what he did was he went and learned all
the lyrics and then went back with his mom so
that he could make up for that incident.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Isn't that sweet? So he knows it very sweet, very
very sweet. My kids are not into it, like at all.
They're like, what are we watching? Why are they all singing?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Make them stop? Well, let them know that Steve likes it.
I will for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
All right, We're going to take a short break and
be right back with slightly less murder on Normally. We
are back on Normally, where California doesn't have enough money
to finish the high speed rail system and they are
a little bit short. It's only supposed to connect San
Francisco to La and they just like, you know, misplaced
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one hundred and twenty five billion dollars if they need
to complete it. Let's roll this clip from some California
officials talking to CBS News about this small, small.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Gap as we speak right now. Are the funds there
to complete LA to San Francisco?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The entire amount of money we need not there today,
But do we believe we can get those funds to
get the project done? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
How much do you estimate it's going to cost to
connect high speed rail San Francisco LA today?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
We estimate, with the right optimization, just over one hundred
and twenty five million dollars. I think one hundred and
twenty six billion dollars is the current estimate for that.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's more funding than Amtrak has received in its history
and still leads a shortfall of roughly ninety billion dollars.
That's a big gap to fill.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
It is a big gap to fill, but again we
have an understanding of how to get there and to
fill that gap.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Is it waiting for Donald Trump not to be president
and getting the next Democrat to pay for it? Is
that the way that they're going to fill that gap.
I'll also just add that that one hundred and twenty
five billion number is more than triple the original price
tag that was approved by voters. So California is just
doing super great with this.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know what, it's also more than Carol, I checked
this yesterday.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Do you know how much the Artemis program costs from
twelve to getting to the dark side of the moon.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It costs ninety three billion dollars to get to the
dark side of the moon.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Amazing, So getting from LA to San Francisco will cost more.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's amazing. Yeah, that is correct and probably longer.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right, is California just a fraud? I mean, it's like
the fraud capital of America. I don't think that's even
I don't think it's even debatable. But it's just a
place where money goes to get completely misspent, right, misspent
slash stolen.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
This is the thing about I mean, I've always been
highly skeptical government programs, and they even outdo my sence.
They really do ability to steal from people. And COVID,
of course accelerated all of this. There's a great piece
in the City Journal called Gavin Newsom's Empire Fraud, which
they estimate Calvin has lost at least one hundred and
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eighty billion dollars to fraud obviously accelerated, said as I said,
by these COVID programs.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
There was at least one expert at the time yelling
at them like.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Hey, this is going to be the biggest fraud in
history if you take allsions off of unemployment, income and
insurance and then do COVID and make it bigger. And
sure enough, that's what happened. In one case, a Romanian
led fraud ring orchestrated a five million dollar unemployment insurance
scheme and they were just taking the money and wiring
it straight to Romania, like we don't have a protection
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rate for that, and that's just a drop in the bucket.
And one hundred and eighty billion is something that people
have trouble even picturing. And it's being taken from people's
pockets every day in California, more than the program to
get to the Moon is being taken from the taxpayers
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of California, who then get what in services, zero miles
of high speed rail, yeap, homeless people on many of
their streets, infrastructure that does not work for them because
it's being stolen.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And Newsom is going to have to reckon with this
record at some point no matter how high he is
in the poll.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I don't know. Will he have to reckon with this?
I saw a tweet about this same study that you're
talking about the unemployment numbers that at one point they
had more people filing for unemployment than adults who live
in California. So that seems like not great as we
are going to, you know, record this. Christopher Ruffo, who
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was involved in breaking that incredible story. He tweets out
a news story about California spending thirty billion dollars per
year paying eight hundred thousand people to cook, clean, shop,
and watch television with family members and others. This in
home care program operates mostly on the honor system, which
is how you know it's great, and loses six to
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twelve billion a year to fraud. I mean it's almost
like a six to twelve billion doesn't even seem that
much when you're talking about the numbers.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The California loses well, And here's what these liberal governments do.
These liberal state governments make giant promises and then they realize,
oh crap, we just have to keep raising taxes, and
then they get defrauded because when they make these giant
promises in these new programs.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
They don't put protections in them.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think that's partly because they like funneling money to
as many people as they can possibly funnel money too.
And here's the important part for normies. If you don't
live in one of these states, if you live in
one of these states, you're already being defrauded. If you
don't live in one of these states, what's going to
happen is they're going to wait for a Democratic president
and Democratic Congress, and then they're going to say, all
of you pay for all this fraud. All of you
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pay for every gap in our budget. All of you
who are trying to put your kids in dance classes
and scrimping at the edges to buy gas, you pay
for it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
That's what's coming.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
That's the plan for Illinois, for Massachusetts, for California, that's
the plan.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, when they inevitably can't afford to pay their own bills,
we're all going to be responsible for it. And the
fact is that that is another thing the Republicans have
to be running on. They have to be running on
the fact that, yes, these frauds in these blue states,
they're your problem too. And here's why I just okay,
can we just take over messaging for the Republican Party?
(24:57):
Like would that be too much to ask? I just
where are they? What are they doing? It is perplexing
to me that these stories are not being told in
a fashion that you know, shows the American people how
responsible they're going to end up being for all of this,
and why it matters and who who is actually responsible
and who should be blamed and how to get us
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out of this mess.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, a tiny bright spot.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
By the way, Republicans did throw in some I believe
nine million the other day into this Virginia redistricting.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So there's life. There's life in the system.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I fear that it's too little, too late because we
are pretty close to the old election day right now
and there's early voting throughout that time. But at least
there's some fight in them and we will see what happens.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I thought things were looking good for that or
is it no longer?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
No, it was never looking good because for people that
right Rogan seated the ground for a month, which I
never understood. One of the successes they've had in Virginia
was framing Spanberger as this liberal once she got into office,
they were helped by the facts, but they did it aggressively,
and then once the redistricting happened, they were like, I
guess we'll stop talking for a while other than myself
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and a handful of us.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But people seem to be re engaged.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So maybe this almost even fight, we could fight to
an almost win or a win.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'm not super optimistic. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right, we're rooting for you guys from over here,
and I hope that it works out. I don't know.
I feel like I and the numbers I've seen have
been good. I think I've told you. I have a
polster friend who sends me stuff and he's never optimistic,
but he's kind of optimistic on this, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I hope that his view prevails.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, we'll see about that. Thank you for joining us
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm Mary, Cathyham, I'm Carol Markowitz, Barry Catherine. The news
is freaking weird.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
That's freaking weird, man, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
As we're recording this, there's a temporary ceasefire between Iran
and the United States. It's supposed to apply to allies
as well. Iran is already breaking it. We have no
idea what's going to happen by the time this episode airs.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, the information we do know is that Trump sent
the truth social that said a civilization will die tonight,
and a lot of people flipped out, and you and
I thought, I feel like this is part of upping
the anti so that he gets his negotiation on a
different footing, which is usually what he's doing in these situations.
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I understand the part where you go, the President of
the United States is tweeting this crazy stuff and it
includes possible war crimes, and that's bad and that's not
how we do things. And I'm scared that he might
do it because cultivating a mad man theory means to
some extent people worry that you might do the thing right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Right, right, Well, that's what makes it effective?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, so that part I understand.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The part I don't understand is when he doesn't and
achieves some sort of shift in negotiations and a ceasefire.
The same people yeah saying Trump chickened out by not
doing the war crimes and the genociding that they were
worried about in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That party do not understand.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right, if you are horrified by his you know, wiping
out a civilization bluster, but then disappointed by the ceasefire,
make it make sense, like which of these are you?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I am confused.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
What we do know is that the deal was supposed
to be a ceasefire, which is note Iran has violated
continually since in the eighteen hours since this went into
effect or what have you, in all directions to UAE others,
and so presumably they're not going to be putting up
(02:17):
with that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
We'll see what Trump says. The straight or form US
is supposed to be open.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But it's not, and Iran is blaming that on Israel
hitting Hesbola in Lebanon, to which Trump said they weren't
part of the ceasefire.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right, And there does seem.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
To be a lot of assumptions on the part of
the media about what the ceasefire deal entails, alleging that
Trump accepted on its face every one of Iran's things
on a wish list. And I just don't buy that
part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I don't understand who does. And again, I think
it's so strange that you and I are in the
position of defending Donald Trump as a person. It makes
very little sense to me that you and I are
understanding what he's doing, but his like alleged intense supporters,
you know, the Tuckers of the world and those kind
(03:09):
of people, are pretending that this is all completely brand
new to him, like Tucker being offended on behalf of
Muslims that Donald Trump said, you know, praise be to
Allah in a sarcastic tone on Easter, like welcome, welcome, dude.
He's been president, you know, we're into his sixth year
of his presidency, four years in between where he was
(03:31):
still in the national conversation daily. If any of this
is surprising to you, I don't understand, and I don't know.
I also think that if this I had no illusion
that the ceasefire will hold. I mean, you know, maybe
it will. Maybe we go to this runs tomorrow. Maybe
Iran and Trump figure out a way to really have
(03:53):
the ceasefire hold. I kind of don't think so, because, again,
in my reading of Donald Trump is he's not going
to accept the strait of her moves being blocked. And
as we're recording this, Fox News is reporting that they
have blocked two ships from the strait. Kuwait was reporting
there under attack. Cluster bombs landed in Israel yesterday. So
all of this says to me that this ceasefire is
(04:15):
not going to hold. But if it were to hold,
I'd be happy about that. I would feel good about that.
I don't want a long war. I don't want war
to go on, and I think we've achieved a lot
of our objective. So let me redo two tweets that
kind of summarize what I'm thinking about this. Arman Rosen tweets.
If this ceasefire winds up happening, the bold Iranian gambit
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to trade much of their senior leadership, most of their navy,
at least half their missile launchers, the lives of thousands
of security personnel, various bridges and rail lines, steal in
petrochemical plants, their deterrens, their nuclear infrastructure, their air defenses,
and the ability to use Dubai as a sanctions of
Asian's hub for the possibility of charging tolls for merchants
shipping on the Strait of her MOUs will have been
(04:57):
a titanic failure. I don't even I think they're going
to get the tolls on the Strait of Hormuz. But
you know, let's say, let's say that's where we wind up.
How is that not a win for us?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And it's also don't get it. It's also two weeks
of ceasefire and negotiation.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
For a maybe right, right right.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I don't like the way Trump is talking about like, yeah,
we're just going to do business with them and we'll
split the tolls.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And it's like, okay, please, I.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Can't believe any of that. I just feel like it's
all right, it's all just words that he's saying to
get what he wants. But yeah, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I'm of two minds about this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I do think there's concern that once you have stopped
that the political costs at home of continuing goes up. Right,
So if you need to resume, as I think you do,
after Iran has violated. That becomes a harder political question
for Donald Trump. Now we can talk more broadly about
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our relatively low tolerance for these things and why that
matters on the world scene. I think, you know, it's
well earned after twenty years of war, wearyness, understandable to
stand withdrawal being horrific as a sort of exclamation point
on that period of time. I think the remedy for
that is to decisively win a war, and this seems
(06:11):
like one that is tactically going well. I just don't
know what the strategy is from here, nor do a
lot of people, right, and that's part of what Trump does.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
So I am a little concerned that restarting will be difficult.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That the market responding so well to the news that
hermus will be open makes Trump go great, it's right, right,
So we'll see how he reacts to that. But I
think you're right that a lot of people with when
it's Trump, they just forget. They're like, oh, we're at
status quo ante, And I'm like, I don't think we're
(06:48):
at status quo ante. As Eli Lake puts it, in
five weeks of war, the regime has lost its navy,
most of its missile launchers and a good chunk of
its defense industrial base, along with the top tier of
its political and military leadership. Add to this the damage
already done to its nuclear program in last June's twelve
Day war. There are more than nine hundred pounds of
uranium buried under the rubble of what used to be
(07:08):
underground in Richmond facilities. A year ago, Iran was on
the brink of obtaining a nuclear weapon and the ballistic
missiles to deliver it as far as Europe. Today, the
regimes military has been reduced to a shell of itself.
That doesn't mean a clear win maybe in many people's
minds in America, which is something Trump needs to deal
with and a message of sense, but that's a big
will and it makes it also Commanie's dead, by the way, Yeah,
(07:33):
And it makes it much harder for them to reach
outside of Iran to terrorize people.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Absolutely, that's such a big thing. The fact that they
have lost so much influence is humongous. And I was
going to read a very similar comment from David Hersiani
who also sums up all the things that they've lost,
and I just again, you can hate Donald Trump, you
can hate this war you can hate Warren General, you
can hate all of it, but to say that America
(08:02):
didn't get anything out of these last few weeks is crazy.
It's absolutely crazy. And we got to like see what
our capabilities are on the world stage. It's it's been
breathtaking to watch. And again, you could oppose all of
this and still say, wow, we won this. I don't
understand how you look at it in another sense.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Well, you've also seen the Gulf States rally with both
America and notably Israel. Yep, that's a big deal. They
have shifted those alliances against themselves, Aaron has by their
behavior during this. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And then China and Russia have sort of barely lifted
a finger. Now there is a question during this ceasefire
whether Russia and China start shipping stuff in to make
it easier for them to learn and adapt and do
new things. But by the way, by the way, they
had a lot of time to prepare for this war.
There was like decades where they were preparing for as.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, or even the months in advance where Trump was like,
I'm going to attack you. I'm going to attack you.
I don't see it. Only because Russia needs its own
supplies for their ongoing war in Ukraine. China seems like,
why did we back these losers? They really don't seem like, oh,
we're on this side.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
They're very very quiet.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They're not blustery at all, and that's a tell. I mean,
I don't know again how to look at it and anything, but.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, we will see where it goes. Like it could
all change within eighteen hours. But this is what we
this is what we know thus far. And I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I'm with you, and that people discount what has already happened.
And also, I think the cost of Trump being unconventional
and not clearly communicating this is what I want to
achieve means that And because he likes to declare that
anything is the thing he wanted to achieve, means that
voters are going to be like, but what's the thing
(09:59):
that we achieved?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
People who don't follow this all the time are going
to need to be messaged and clearly told that, and
he has missed opportunities to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Even though he does talk about it, he doesn't talked
about it in the sort of traditional presidential way.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I agree, I think, and either of the tweets that
you and I read sum up a lot of the
success that we've had. And Donald Trump can say that
to the American people and mean it because it's true.
Another tweet I enjoyed from Klay Travis, he says, yesterday,
many experts, that's in quotes, experts told you we were
headed for nuclear war and spent the entire day losing
(10:34):
their minds. Today the Dow opens up up three hundred points,
SMP rises nearly three percent, and oil has dropped to
twenty dollars dropped twenty dollars a barrel. As always, it
pays to be rational. Congrats to those who didn't lose
their minds. This goes back to what we talk about
a lot, which is we would be the same people
we are if this was Joe Biden. And if you're
(10:55):
not the same person you are, if you don't have
the same beliefs, if you're Bill Chris, that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I mean, the thing where you're afraid of genocide and
the destruction of a civilization at nine am and by
seven pm you're like.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What a wuss? Yeah, Taco, No, that's a note for me.
That's a note for me that that gear shift I
can't do.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, it's crazy. Also, Adam Francisco points out that gas
prices collapsed and CNN removed the grass price graphic from
their homepage, because of course they did.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
We're going to take a short break.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And be right back with more on Normally. We are
back on Normally. Where a case that has really.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Gripped New York.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean, it was years and years of bodies piling
up near Gilgel Beach on Long Island. It was I'm
not a super murdery person, but it was a huge,
huge story for a long time.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Sorry, I don't mean to make life. It's just I
don't know it. It is correct.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
A lot of women are into the murdering, and I
do not consider myself one of those. I mean, I
enjoyed the occasional Law and Order episode, but.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Well, there are a lot of women who are into
the murdering literally and into into the storytelling about the yes,
I meant the latter.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So here's the story of what happened with the Gilgo murderers,
because I'm so fascinated by this. So a woman goes missing,
and when you read the story of this woman going missing,
she's like she was I believe a sex worker and
she was knocking on doors. She had a driver waiting
for her. She was like hysterical. She appeared like somebody
was chasing her. Turns out that that woman might not
(12:41):
even be involved in any of this, Like she was
ultimately found. Yeah, her body was ultimately found, but it
appears that she died accidentally and is not related to
this case. But as they start looking for this woman,
they just find body after body after body after body,
and so far. He the man who was arrested for
(13:01):
rex Herman, he was maintaining his innocence for a long
long time, and then today Wednesday, he is due to
plead guilty in court, which is a big shift because
he's been saying the whole time he had nothing to
do with it. He was previously charged with seven murders
and not the woman again, not the woman that went missing.
(13:22):
He's now going to admit to an eighth murder that
was one of the bodies found but wasn't tied to
him originally, And now at least three more corpses are
not tied to him. An Asian man, a woman and
her child were found during these searches, and it appears
that they are not part of his murder spree, which
leads to the question of what in the hell is
(13:44):
going on in the sleepy Long Island Like the cutest
little area gilgol Beach. You would never think, oh, oh,
let's just go find bodies in the water. So yeah,
And the case of how they found this guy was
very interesting. He was an architect and they somehow tied
him to the first murder and ended up finding finding
(14:08):
him eating a pizza on the street of Manhattan. He
dumps the pizza in a garbage can, they test the crust.
They tie him to the rest of us. So it's
really interesting, and it's it's bizarre, and it will make
every murder story look, you know, bland in comparison, especially
because again there are at least three more unsolved murders
(14:30):
that have not so far been tied to him. It's
it's been a long time coming for New York to
get to the end of the story, and him pleading
guilty today will be at least part part of the
way towards that.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Now, Alvin Bragg is not dealing with the plea deal, right,
because that'll be like two and a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
No, no, I don't want to avoid that.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
No. I am also not super murdery. I occasionally do
like true crime. I find that it's like generally too
dark for me. And I never am a person who
follows cases while they happen, which is a funny thing
because I know that's the breaking news, right. I don't
do that in crime cases. I only watch the documentary
(15:16):
after the fact, maybe because there's distance or something. But yes,
it's serial killers are, for whatever reason, endlessly fascinating. I mean,
many people are fascinated by them. There is good news
by the way that active sal serial killers went from like, yes,
I have been seven hundred in the.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Eighties to like one hundred. Now we've really cut down.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
On our national supply of serial killers, and that's good
news for us.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's just much harder, right, it's the cameras everywhere, everything
is testable. I mean again, this guy is just like
eating his pizza on the streets of Manhattan, dumps in
a garbage can, and now he's charged with eight murders.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like it's I mean, that's good police.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, yes, it's excellent for those of us not committing murders.
And this is why I think the murdering has gone down.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
This is like a ten year running story in New York,
so a lot of New Yorkers are super invested in
this to see how it turns out. There's been also
in the articles about this, like he was not willing
to settle this case at all. He was and people
were like, do they have the wrong guy? Like it
was really touch and go because he was so adamant
(16:25):
that he didn't do it, and now he's saying that
he did do it. So we'll see what happens. There's
a three part documentary I haven't seen it, but apparently
people love it, The gilgol Beach Killer House of Secrets.
His family's on the record, his wife has left him.
I mean, apparently being a serial killer is not good
for your marriage.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Guys. Yeah, I will probably watch that at some point.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I do also, just on this dark subject and if
you want a good serial killer story that has a
lot of distance, the book The Devil in the White
City by.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Which Eric Larson.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It is about a serial killer during the eighteen ninety
three Chicago World's Fair who basically kept the equivalent of
an Airbnb at the time, and young women came to
stay in this house that he had built into sort
of a house of horrors.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And it is a.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Great historical account not only of that who is. It's
an incredible story, and I won't spoil any of it
for you because it has so many twists and turns.
But also I got the sense that this guy maybe
just wanted to write a story about the Chicago World's
Fair and needed a hook for it because there's so
much historical information about that huge event in American history.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So it's a great read. He's a great writer, and
I really enjoyed it. This isn't about murder.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But we started watching Ley Miz last night as a family.
I've never seen it before. Like, I had no idea
what it was about, Like the whole early prostitution scenes.
I was like kids, you know, blocking their faces. I
did not know. But anyway, my middle son, who's really
into history, was like, there's no way they pursued this,
you know, bread thief for six years trying to find
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him after he was out on parole. He said they
stopped looking for Jack the Ripper after three months and
they were just like, that's it, no more of this.
And so he doesn't buy that they spent you know,
years and years looking for the bread thief right across
the water in France.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Do you like Lamuz?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I do like Limaz. I don't think I've ever seen
it on stage, though I should. My husband knows a
lot about Lemez because his mom took him to see
it one time, and it was after like a twelve
hour overnight shift and he dozed a little bit during
that play.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I don't think I'm speaking out of school here.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So what he did was he went and learned all
the lyrics and then went back with his mom so
that he could make up for that incident.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Isn't that sweet? So he knows it very sweet, very
very sweet. My kids are not into it, like at all.
They're like, what are we watching? Why are they all singing?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Like?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Make them stop? Well, let them know that Steve likes it.
I will for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
All right, We're going to take a short break and
be right back with slightly less murder on Normally. We
are back on Normally, where California doesn't have enough money
to finish the high speed rail system and they are
a little bit short. It's only supposed to connect San
Francisco to La and they just like, you know, misplaced
(19:24):
one hundred and twenty five billion dollars if they need
to complete it. Let's roll this clip from some California
officials talking to CBS News about this small, small.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Gap as we speak right now. Are the funds there
to complete LA to San Francisco?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The entire amount of money we need not there today,
But do we believe we can get those funds to
get the project done? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
How much do you estimate it's going to cost to
connect high speed rail San Francisco LA today?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
We estimate, with the right optimization, just over one hundred
and twenty five million dollars. I think one hundred and
twenty six billion dollars is the current estimate for that.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That's more funding than Amtrak has received in its history
and still leads a shortfall of roughly ninety billion dollars.
That's a big gap to fill.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
It is a big gap to fill, but again we
have an understanding of how to get there and to
fill that gap.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Is it waiting for Donald Trump not to be president
and getting the next Democrat to pay for it? Is
that the way that they're going to fill that gap.
I'll also just add that that one hundred and twenty
five billion number is more than triple the original price
tag that was approved by voters. So California is just
doing super great with this.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know what, it's also more than Carol, I checked
this yesterday.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Do you know how much the Artemis program costs from
twelve to getting to the dark side of the moon.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It costs ninety three billion dollars to get to the
dark side of the moon.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Amazing, So getting from LA to San Francisco will cost more.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's amazing. Yeah, that is correct and probably longer.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right, is California just a fraud? I mean, it's like
the fraud capital of America. I don't think that's even
I don't think it's even debatable. But it's just a
place where money goes to get completely misspent, right, misspent
slash stolen.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
This is the thing about I mean, I've always been
highly skeptical government programs, and they even outdo my sence.
They really do ability to steal from people. And COVID,
of course accelerated all of this. There's a great piece
in the City Journal called Gavin Newsom's Empire Fraud, which
they estimate Calvin has lost at least one hundred and
(21:38):
eighty billion dollars to fraud obviously accelerated, said as I said,
by these COVID programs.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
There was at least one expert at the time yelling
at them like.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Hey, this is going to be the biggest fraud in
history if you take allsions off of unemployment, income and
insurance and then do COVID and make it bigger. And
sure enough, that's what happened. In one case, a Romanian
led fraud ring orchestrated a five million dollar unemployment insurance
scheme and they were just taking the money and wiring
it straight to Romania, like we don't have a protection
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rate for that, and that's just a drop in the bucket.
And one hundred and eighty billion is something that people
have trouble even picturing. And it's being taken from people's
pockets every day in California, more than the program to
get to the Moon is being taken from the taxpayers
(22:31):
of California, who then get what in services, zero miles
of high speed rail, yeap, homeless people on many of
their streets, infrastructure that does not work for them because
it's being stolen.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And Newsom is going to have to reckon with this
record at some point no matter how high he is
in the poll.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I don't know. Will he have to reckon with this?
I saw a tweet about this same study that you're
talking about the unemployment numbers that at one point they
had more people filing for unemployment than adults who live
in California. So that seems like not great as we
are going to, you know, record this. Christopher Ruffo, who
(23:12):
was involved in breaking that incredible story. He tweets out
a news story about California spending thirty billion dollars per
year paying eight hundred thousand people to cook, clean, shop,
and watch television with family members and others. This in
home care program operates mostly on the honor system, which
is how you know it's great, and loses six to
(23:33):
twelve billion a year to fraud. I mean it's almost
like a six to twelve billion doesn't even seem that
much when you're talking about the numbers.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
The California loses well, And here's what these liberal governments do.
These liberal state governments make giant promises and then they realize,
oh crap, we just have to keep raising taxes, and
then they get defrauded because when they make these giant
promises in these new programs.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
They don't put protections in them.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think that's partly because they like funneling money to
as many people as they can possibly funnel money too.
And here's the important part for normies. If you don't
live in one of these states, if you live in
one of these states, you're already being defrauded. If you
don't live in one of these states, what's going to
happen is they're going to wait for a Democratic president
and Democratic Congress, and then they're going to say, all
of you pay for all this fraud. All of you
(24:18):
pay for every gap in our budget. All of you
who are trying to put your kids in dance classes
and scrimping at the edges to buy gas, you pay
for it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
That's what's coming.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
That's the plan for Illinois, for Massachusetts, for California, that's
the plan.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, when they inevitably can't afford to pay their own bills,
we're all going to be responsible for it. And the
fact is that that is another thing the Republicans have
to be running on. They have to be running on
the fact that, yes, these frauds in these blue states,
they're your problem too. And here's why I just okay,
can we just take over messaging for the Republican Party?
(24:57):
Like would that be too much to ask? I just
where are they? What are they doing? It is perplexing
to me that these stories are not being told in
a fashion that you know, shows the American people how
responsible they're going to end up being for all of this,
and why it matters and who who is actually responsible
and who should be blamed and how to get us
(25:19):
out of this mess.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, a tiny bright spot.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
By the way, Republicans did throw in some I believe
nine million the other day into this Virginia redistricting.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So there's life. There's life in the system.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I fear that it's too little, too late because we
are pretty close to the old election day right now
and there's early voting throughout that time. But at least
there's some fight in them and we will see what happens.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I thought things were looking good for that or
is it no longer?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
No, it was never looking good because for people that
right Rogan seated the ground for a month, which I
never understood. One of the successes they've had in Virginia
was framing Spanberger as this liberal once she got into office,
they were helped by the facts, but they did it aggressively,
and then once the redistricting happened, they were like, I
guess we'll stop talking for a while other than myself
(26:08):
and a handful of us.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But people seem to be re engaged.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So maybe this almost even fight, we could fight to
an almost win or a win.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I'm not super optimistic. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right, we're rooting for you guys from over here,
and I hope that it works out. I don't know.
I feel like I and the numbers I've seen have
been good. I think I've told you. I have a
polster friend who sends me stuff and he's never optimistic,
but he's kind of optimistic on this, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I hope that his view prevails.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, we'll see about that. Thank you for joining us
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