Karol Markowicz sits down with Miriam “Mock” Weaver and Amy Jo “Daisy” Clark of Chicks on the Right for a candid conversation about the growing divisions inside conservative media, speaking out when it’s unpopular, and what they believe is happening to the American right.
Mock and Daisy explain why they were willing to publicly criticize prominent conservative voices including Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, why authenticity has been central to Chicks on the Right’s success, and how they built a fiercely loyal audience over more than 17 years of political commentary.
They also share the unlikely story of how Chicks on the Right began, their transition from corporate careers to blogging, radio and podcasting, and why patriotism remains at the heart of their show.
Karol, Mock and Daisy also debate where America could be headed over the next five years, the political divide between left and right, the influence of AI and technology on culture, the future of younger generations, and whether Americans have reason to be optimistic about the country.
Plus, Mock opens up about resilience after suffering a stroke and losing her son, while Daisy discusses family, gratitude and the importance of continuing to learn at every stage of life.
It’s a wide-ranging conversation about conservative media, friendship, resilience, patriotism and why Mock’s advice remains simple: never bet against America.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
My guests today are the Chicks on the Right. Miriam Weaver,
Mock and Amy Joe Clark Daisy formed the Chicks on
the Right duo and have been bringing political commentary to
the masses for over seventeen years. They started with a website,
then a radio show, then a book called Right for
(00:27):
a Reason, and for the past several years they've been
the Chicks on the Right podcast and I have really
loved their stuff. So nice to have you ladies on.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
This is so great. You know, I first started kind
of following you a few years ago. You were really
at the forefront of identifying that some people on the
right were maybe losing their minds a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I remember thinking that it.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Was very brave that you were speaking out against various people,
because it wasn't like you know today recording this twenty
twenty six, lots of people are speaking out. But when
you guys were speaking out, it was at the very
beginning and it wasn't popular, and I thought, oh, they're
going to be in for a world of hurt.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What made you do that?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Let's start with.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You mock well, thank you for recognizing that first of all,
because that was we recognized it as it was happening
that we were that there wasn't a lot of backup, yeah,
which we found super super odd, especially and I'll just
say it, as much as I don't want to disparage
TPUSA at all, they've been real slow to be finally
(01:36):
responsive to all of the horrible things that Candace Owens
has been saying about them, about Charlie's wife, all of it.
And then you know it coming from being like so
in awe and having such admiration for Megan Kelly for example,
I mean, she was our north star for as long
as we could remember. We just couldn't believe some of
the changes that we saw happening with her, with Candace,
(01:59):
with Tucker Carr. And it wouldn't have been us to
not say that out loud and to not notice it
or to try to pretend it wasn't happening.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
But it would have been so much easier, right Daisy,
to be and go along to get along kind of podcaster,
I man.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We've we've never taken We've.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, I would say, obviously, I've been very concerned about
this for a while, But I admit I gave you know,
Chucker Carlson, for example, the benefit of the doubt for
a lot longer than I should have because he was
in our universe, right, he was one of us.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Right. A lot of them were in our universe, and
a lot of them have been colossal disappointments. But we've
just MAK and I have never really taken the easy route.
We're not like the popular girls at the cool table,
you know, in conservative.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We're really not. We're not in this space where really not.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
In fact, we get left out of a lot of things,
and it's weird. We're sort of like our own little universe,
even though we've been around for a good jillion years
doing this. But it's we've not ever really thought about
taking the easy route or trying to please other people.
We've had We've had PR teams tell us, you guys
need to do X, y Z to be more popular
and make more money, and we're always like, we can't
(03:09):
be anything other than ourselves. So I think authenticity is
just part of we are who we are, and people
take it or leave it, you know, But am I
right that you.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Guys have just had a big year, like, I feel
like I've seen you everywhere this year.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's interesting. We should tell our team that year. I
don't know, we feel because we've been doing.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
It for so long that I guess I don't even
pay attention to that. Miriam, you may have a different answer.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I mean, I don't. I'm glad that you're saying that
and seeing that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know, I feel like our growth has been slow
but steady, and I guess, you know, one of the
good things that we can say about how we've grown
is that it's been one hundred percent organically. We've never
you know, we get accused of like buying likes or
follows or don't.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I wouldn't know the first thing about how to do that?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
How do you do that?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Where do I go for this? Because I know, I know,
so it's not that. Yeah, can we get them on Amazon?
Because I would go there. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, how
did you two get together? What was the start of
all this? Oh my god? We should start with mob
because she's so sorry. I'm sorry, Carol, I'm going to
(04:27):
defer to her.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yes, it's just the problem is it's such a long
and juicy story, and so I try to condense it
and point people to the fact that we've done like
whole podcasts and videos about this because it is such
a serendipitous, amazing story. But essentially, the short version is
that back in the summer of two thousand and eight,
when she was in the corporate world doing technical writing
(04:48):
and I was in the corporate world doing HR recruiting,
our paths crossed in that I was interviewing her for
a job.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Actually, I should back up.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That was in the summer of two thousand and seven,
and then forward a year later, when neither one of
us had ever really been particularly political, but each of
us was seeing what was happening with Obama Mania, and
it just so happened that a job at my company
opened up again, I remembered her name, And there's a
whole Facebook story in the fact that she went to
elementary school with my husband in Atlanta, Georgia, Like, there's
(05:19):
a whole side story that's crazy. But the long and
short of it is that we started working together and
were instant best friends, and we're talking about what was
happening in the political world and the cultural world all
the time, Like every time we were together for lunches,
we would find ourselves talking about this, and we were
(05:40):
cracking each other up and having like a really great
time and thought, well, this would be I bet more
people would like to discuss and learn about politics in
this way instead of just listening to the wonky people
on the news. And so she said a few months
after we were working together, why don't we start a website?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah. We had a
blog for many many years.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
That was before I mean we started like right before
Facebook really took off and like people were putting stuff
on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So we we did. We had a blog. We had
like a long form blog that's back when people read
things carried like they had actually yea, go figure it.
We are that old that we can remember that. But
we did.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We had a great blog, and we would we'd work
our respective jobs, you know, like we would work full
we both worked full time, and then we would write
early in the morning, write at lunchtime, right after work.
I mean, we were constantly writing. That's one thing. You know, people,
I think we'll come up to us a lot and
be like, you know, how did you do this? How
did you get started? And how do I I remember
(06:43):
back in the day when we had the blog, people
were like, how did you start your blog? And it's like,
we literally worked our butts off all the time, but
it didn't feel like work. It always was fun because
it's too Yeah, we really loved it, and you know,
I feel like the reason that Miriam and I met
it was just so I have a lot of faith,
and so I just I feel like we were not
that was meant to be. We were supposed to meet,
(07:05):
we were supposed to do this, and you know, and
it's just we gained, like I dare I say, a
cult following, because it's not like a cult like Canvas's cult,
but a cult following like a good like a bunch
of people who are super loyal and a right. We
just have a really amazing community, and I think that's
one of the things, you know, she and I are
really proud of. When we started this, we just wanted
(07:27):
to have fun talking about politics and have a job
that would be fun going.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To every day. And she and I loved it and
we were engaged.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But then other people got engaged as well, and so
it is, like Mary said, it's very organic the way
everything happened, and we're just so grateful for that, you know,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Do you feel like Chicks on the Right has a
beat like for example, I do another podcast with Mary
Catherine Ham we called Normally and normally whenever we see
a story about like schools or like merit rigor and
schools like that is immediately our beat. Something to do
like to do with schools like that is our jam.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Do you guys have something like that? We have a
couple we do.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We have like a whole bunch because our show is
it's made up of you know, it's usually about an
hour and a half, maybe a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Wow, And typically we cover five minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean in that hour and a half,
we probably cover like thirty different stories, and so we like.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
In under half an hour.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We cover a lot of ground because we know that
a lot of our audience, that is how they consume
the news, is that they'd rather hear it from two
chicks that are having a blast talking about it, even
the hard things, and so we try to cover a lot.
But like Daisy said, I think we have like a
couple of hot button issues for her especially it's like
girl you know, boys and girls sports.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
She's a mom of an athlete daughter.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So that's a huge, huge issue.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But we also, as you.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Know, much to our audience's chagrin, some of the time
we do talk about what's happening in podcast to stand
with Candace and with all of the crazy conspiracies. We
do spend a lot of time on that because it
seems to be such a cultural moment for that story.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And I think that we also one of the things
that's been a theme for both of us, and I
think one of the reasons that we are best friends
is because we absolutely adore our country. We love our country,
and we don't like people who don't, you know. So
it's like there's a common thread there, and I think
that weaves its way through every show that we have,
(09:30):
because you know, Mary is a daughter of immigrants, of
Polish immigrants, and she was raised as an American girl,
and she her family. I love her family so much.
I come from kind of a broken family, so I've
adopted her family, and her family is just so wonderful
because they appreciate being here, and Mary appreciates being an American,
(09:50):
and I appreciate being an American, even though I'm you know,
I'm not a daughter of immigrants and my story is
very different. But we have that common theme between the
two of us where we just it's like we both
get weepy about how awesome our country is.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, and I and so many people aren't that
way these days, and that makes us both sad.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh, we're just coming off of you know, July fourth weekend,
two fifty I record these foreign Advance But it was
a really wonderful kind of spectacle.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I really love every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And I'm such on such a high today after all
that and feeling so good about the direction of the country.
I mean, I'm like, I'm sure the podcast is stand
is going to tell us why we should do, why
we think Russia's better, But for.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Now, yeah, ride that wave, ride it totally.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So a question I ask all of my guests is
what are you most proud of in your life? So
I'll go to each of you, Daisy, if you want
to start us off.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think for me, there's a couple of things I'm proud.
I'm most proud of the people that I love and
the people that love me, mainly because, like I said,
I don't my family was not that great growing up,
and so one of my biggest goals in life was
to create an immediate family that is love and strong
and supportive and just awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And I've done that.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And so I'm super proud of my family and my
inner circle. And i'd consider Mary to be part of
that because she's sort of like an adopted sister, and
so I just the people that are in my life.
I think that's the people that surround me. I think
that's what I'm most proud of and the work we've
done together.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, In fact, I was gonna I wasn't sure if
you your question was professionally or personally proud of, so
I like prepared two different answers, but both and I
know I speak for Amy Joe when I answer professionally
that the thing we're most proud of is the community
that we've feltally because it really, it's it really is
an amazing audience that has stuck by us, some for
(11:42):
years and years, some from the very beginning, and they
are just this the most loving, kind audience that has
become friends with each other. We have these meet and
greets that will have kind of all over the country
once every year year and a half or so, and
it's like a it's like a family reunion at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's really just an amazing career, so humbling, so godding
for both.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, and then personally, I would just say I've had
a rough couple of few years. So one of the
things is I guess I would say I'm real proud
of my resilience because I've had to have that. I
had a stroke on camera during our show a few
years back, and so fighting health scares and.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Then also losing my son.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So I've had some stuff that has happened, and I
feel like I've maintained a certain level of resilience and
happiness in spite of it.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And so that's what I would say I was proud of.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's amazing, that's such a so obvious that you're so strong,
and it's really just thank you. Incredible feat. I love
all the answer. Both answers are just one of the Also,
I just love Daisy that you say, you know you
came from a broken family and you've made your family
what you wanted it to be. I think that's again
testament to strength and to prayer and all of that
(12:58):
and totally totally positive direction. Yeah, we're going to take
a quick break and be right back on the Carol
Markowitz Show. Give us a five year out prediction. And
I know we're in the world of politics, so it
could be about politics, but it could be about anything, art, music,
whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You want me to go first, Yeah, sure, I was
at twenty thirty one. I think AI will be rampant,
and so, you know, I have older kids, and then
I have a sixteen year old, and I already see
so much of a lack of creativity, like in music
and art and culture. That concerns me because back you know,
we were raised in the eighties, so that's that. I'm sorry,
people can fight me on this, but best music ever
(13:41):
and we have great movies, and I feel like, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Social media and technology has changed that.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And so just from that perspective, From a cultural perspective,
I think that AI will continue to AI, and technology
will continue.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
To affect that and will be I'll be more nostalgic
than ever, honestly.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
And then politically, I think we're going to become more
fractured just because we've got Comis taken over and so
I think you're going to see a divide. But then
even in the fractures. You're going to see sub fractures,
like on our side, subfractures. It's going to be a
very different landscape politically in five years, I believe, do.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You so I have a much go ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I'm sorry, I was gonna say just to follow up
for a second on that. You know, the commis taking over.
I think for people in the right, we've been talking
about this for years, right, we saw this coming. This
is all not surprising. But I'm hearing a lot of
shock and off from Democrats, from like kind of more
moderate friends of mine. I'm moderate slash liberal. Do you
(14:39):
have any optimism that they'll wise up and kind of
come over to the right or are they going to
just be enveloped into the left.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I think they're going to be enveloped on the left.
I think there are two Americas now and where it's
going to become more divided than ever. And I think
they stick together, whereas we tend to critically think more
and they're.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Like, we just have to win.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Let's just do whatever we got to do to win.
And so that's what we're seeing that happen already.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, I had a much more optimistic take.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I love that optimist, right, But.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I mean, I just I was thinking about like a
five year outlook, and some of the things I just
think that Trump has had such a huge impact on
would include things like, I think we're going to see
a lot more made in America stuff. I think we're
going to have a lot more manufacturing here in America.
And I do feel hopeful that even though we're seeing
(15:31):
sort of this invasion thanks to Biden's open borders, I
do feel like more eyes are going to be open
to the threat of Islam to the country.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I feel like that's already happening.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And so as much as it is scary to see
like the Kami's, you know, infiltrate the way they are,
it's almost a good thing that it's happening this quickly,
because I feel like more people will be like whoa,
and then maybe the pendulum will swing back kind of
the way that it did with you know, men and
women's sports, Like people finally reached a point where they
(16:03):
were like everyone has gone completely that shit, and so
things kind of started to right themselves. And I'm holding
out hope that the same thing is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And I also hope, you know, since millennials and Gen
z are going to be taking over things, and then
they're going to take over a lot of things in
the next five years. And that could be political, it
could be cultural, whatever, But it depends on where those
kids come from. Like I have a kid who's sixteen,
and she's very conservative, and so are her friends. So
I do look, I mean to add to Mary's hope,
I do look at like our that generation all is
(16:35):
not lost because there are a lot of kids who
are that age who are like, this is whack.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know, we have a we love America. America's awesome.
You know, so.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Absolutely I'm barely an optimistic but I to bring this
all full circle, I am concerned that the left joins
up forces with our I can't even call them far right,
I mean, like are but Castastan is really what they are,
and they sort of they have that horseshoe and they
win elections that way. Like I think Graham Platner is
(17:04):
almost like the first example of that you know, Nazi
tattoo on his chest. Elizabeth Warren talking points. I mean,
this is the first example of Tucker Carlson's going to
be voting for that guy, right, I mean it seems
like pretty obvious. So when you have that horseshoe, what
if they end up amassing more power? Yeah, I don't know.
I'm optimistic, except when I start thinking like that.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, well, it's very easy to get to doom scroll
as I say, and see all the horrific stuff that
you just can't even believe. Like it's you almost don't
recognize your own country in some ways because you cannot
believe the stupidity of so many people that don't appreciate
how great they have it here in America. And it's
just like, why would you hate on the best country
(17:48):
on the planet.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Right that people are dying to get into. They're all fine,
I mean, everybody wants to be everybody wants to be us, everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
European tourists for the World Cup that was such a
like glowing, amazing moment for us, where well we're seeing
America through their eyes and like, yeah, BUCkies is amazing.
It is, right, it is. Yeah. But you know, right
away when that happened, the kind of liberal elites started
writing articles about how they're not real and these opinions
(18:18):
aren't real and how you America is actually not that great.
We're always kind of why.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That, yeah, and why do they do that?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I will never understand why people want a crap in
their own house, I don't get.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I think it's because liberals are so miserable and they
can't stand being miserable alone.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So this is what they do. They just they want.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Everybody to share in their miserable, sad, pathetic lives.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That was why you really feel much Yep, she's right, right.
So do you feel a general sense of optimism for
the direction of the country. I know we've covered a
lot here, so like it's hard to sum it up,
but do you like, when you think about.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
The next five years in America, are we on a
good path or not? I'm positive only because of my children.
If I didn't have kids, I don't know if I
may be more like, oh, good things suck, but I
do I do see I have, you know, I feel
like I have to be positive. And I am positive
because I because I see my kids and I'm like,
you know what, they're good kids and they're doing good things,
(19:19):
and so I'm going to be dead one day and
they're going to be around, caring on the torch of
our family.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I feel like you know there are good there
are good people.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Out there, and I think I'd have to have faith
in good people that will put we will prevail, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, And I just say, never bet against America, right,
I'm optimistic.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I love that our family motto is actually always bet
on us, and I feel the same way about America.
Always bet on us, but against all Yes. But I've
loved this conversation, ladies. I think you're both just fantastic.
Really love following you and listening to what you have
to say. Leave us here with your best tip from
my listeners on how they can improve their lives, and
(20:03):
we'll start with you mock.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Okay, So I would say, choose happiness every day. It's
a choice and it's always the best, rightest one to make.
Don't be afraid to say what's on your mind, and
make sure that you're developing several layers of thick skin,
especially if you do decide to be brave and speak
your mind, because people will try to say the most
(20:28):
wretched things to you when you do come out and
speak the truth. So just be prepared that you're going
to take a lot of arrows and don't let it
bother you.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I would say that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Reject Candice Owen's completely and cherish your friends and family.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
That would be my advice. Those are great. I love that.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I think in mind is kind of similar in that
I think that the best we've learned a lot now
that we're middle aged women, we can actually speak to
this right how to have a good life. But I
think one of the things that you can do is
just to be grateful. Like, if you feel like you
have nothing to be grateful for, just be grateful for
a sunrise, you know. But if you're grateful, then you
(21:09):
will get good blessings that come to you. That's how
I feel about that. So I'm always just grateful for
waking up and being here and being in the best
country on the planet, being a woman in the best
of the Yeah. And then my second thing would be
never stop learning, because it's good to always improve yourself
and to always learn. Even like right now I'm taking
(21:29):
drum lessons, which wow, like, I know it's ridiculous, right,
but I've always had to play the drums, and I'm like,
you know what, I'm gonna learn to play the drums,
and I kind of suck at it, but it's but
it's super fun.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
To do that at fifty four.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
It's great to learn a new skill and try new
things and just be open minded. And that is what
living is all about, right, and we can do that
in this awesome country.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
So oh good, you guys are so inspreted. Well, thank
you so much for coming on. They are Mariam Weaver,
Mock and Amy, Joe Clark, Daisy from Chicks on the Right.
Listen to their show. They're just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Thank you so much, ladies, Thank you Carolo
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
My guests today are the Chicks on the Right. Miriam Weaver,
Mock and Amy Joe Clark Daisy formed the Chicks on
the Right duo and have been bringing political commentary to
the masses for over seventeen years. They started with a website,
then a radio show, then a book called Right for
(00:27):
a Reason, and for the past several years they've been
the Chicks on the Right podcast and I have really
loved their stuff. So nice to have you ladies on.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
This is so great. You know, I first started kind
of following you a few years ago. You were really
at the forefront of identifying that some people on the
right were maybe losing their minds a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I remember thinking that it.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Was very brave that you were speaking out against various people,
because it wasn't like you know today recording this twenty
twenty six, lots of people are speaking out. But when
you guys were speaking out, it was at the very
beginning and it wasn't popular, and I thought, oh, they're
going to be in for a world of hurt.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What made you do that?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Let's start with.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You mock well, thank you for recognizing that first of all,
because that was we recognized it as it was happening
that we were that there wasn't a lot of backup, yeah,
which we found super super odd, especially and I'll just
say it, as much as I don't want to disparage
TPUSA at all, they've been real slow to be finally
(01:36):
responsive to all of the horrible things that Candace Owens
has been saying about them, about Charlie's wife, all of it.
And then you know it coming from being like so
in awe and having such admiration for Megan Kelly for example,
I mean, she was our north star for as long
as we could remember. We just couldn't believe some of
the changes that we saw happening with her, with Candace,
(01:59):
with Tucker Carr. And it wouldn't have been us to
not say that out loud and to not notice it
or to try to pretend it wasn't happening.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
But it would have been so much easier, right Daisy,
to be and go along to get along kind of podcaster,
I man.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We've we've never taken We've.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, I would say, obviously, I've been very concerned about
this for a while, But I admit I gave you know,
Chucker Carlson, for example, the benefit of the doubt for
a lot longer than I should have because he was
in our universe, right, he was one of us.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Right. A lot of them were in our universe, and
a lot of them have been colossal disappointments. But we've
just MAK and I have never really taken the easy route.
We're not like the popular girls at the cool table,
you know, in conservative.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We're really not. We're not in this space where really not.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
In fact, we get left out of a lot of things,
and it's weird. We're sort of like our own little universe,
even though we've been around for a good jillion years
doing this. But it's we've not ever really thought about
taking the easy route or trying to please other people.
We've had We've had PR teams tell us, you guys
need to do X, y Z to be more popular
and make more money, and we're always like, we can't
(03:09):
be anything other than ourselves. So I think authenticity is
just part of we are who we are, and people
take it or leave it, you know, But am I
right that you.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Guys have just had a big year, like, I feel
like I've seen you everywhere this year.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's interesting. We should tell our team that year. I
don't know, we feel because we've been doing.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
It for so long that I guess I don't even
pay attention to that. Miriam, you may have a different answer.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I mean, I don't. I'm glad that you're saying that
and seeing that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know, I feel like our growth has been slow
but steady, and I guess, you know, one of the
good things that we can say about how we've grown
is that it's been one hundred percent organically. We've never
you know, we get accused of like buying likes or
follows or don't.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I wouldn't know the first thing about how to do that?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
How do you do that?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Where do I go for this? Because I know, I know,
so it's not that. Yeah, can we get them on Amazon?
Because I would go there. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, how
did you two get together? What was the start of
all this? Oh my god? We should start with mob
because she's so sorry. I'm sorry, Carol, I'm going to
(04:27):
defer to her.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yes, it's just the problem is it's such a long
and juicy story, and so I try to condense it
and point people to the fact that we've done like
whole podcasts and videos about this because it is such
a serendipitous, amazing story. But essentially, the short version is
that back in the summer of two thousand and eight,
when she was in the corporate world doing technical writing
(04:48):
and I was in the corporate world doing HR recruiting,
our paths crossed in that I was interviewing her for
a job.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Actually, I should back up.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That was in the summer of two thousand and seven,
and then forward a year later, when neither one of
us had ever really been particularly political, but each of
us was seeing what was happening with Obama Mania, and
it just so happened that a job at my company
opened up again, I remembered her name, And there's a
whole Facebook story in the fact that she went to
elementary school with my husband in Atlanta, Georgia, Like, there's
(05:19):
a whole side story that's crazy. But the long and
short of it is that we started working together and
were instant best friends, and we're talking about what was
happening in the political world and the cultural world all
the time, Like every time we were together for lunches,
we would find ourselves talking about this, and we were
(05:40):
cracking each other up and having like a really great
time and thought, well, this would be I bet more
people would like to discuss and learn about politics in
this way instead of just listening to the wonky people
on the news. And so she said a few months
after we were working together, why don't we start a website?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah. We had a
blog for many many years.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
That was before I mean we started like right before
Facebook really took off and like people were putting stuff
on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So we we did. We had a blog. We had
like a long form blog that's back when people read
things carried like they had actually yea, go figure it.
We are that old that we can remember that. But
we did.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We had a great blog, and we would we'd work
our respective jobs, you know, like we would work full
we both worked full time, and then we would write
early in the morning, write at lunchtime, right after work.
I mean, we were constantly writing. That's one thing. You know, people,
I think we'll come up to us a lot and
be like, you know, how did you do this? How
did you get started? And how do I I remember
(06:43):
back in the day when we had the blog, people
were like, how did you start your blog? And it's like,
we literally worked our butts off all the time, but
it didn't feel like work. It always was fun because
it's too Yeah, we really loved it, and you know,
I feel like the reason that Miriam and I met
it was just so I have a lot of faith,
and so I just I feel like we were not
that was meant to be. We were supposed to meet,
(07:05):
we were supposed to do this, and you know, and
it's just we gained, like I dare I say, a
cult following, because it's not like a cult like Canvas's cult,
but a cult following like a good like a bunch
of people who are super loyal and a right. We
just have a really amazing community, and I think that's
one of the things, you know, she and I are
really proud of. When we started this, we just wanted
(07:27):
to have fun talking about politics and have a job
that would be fun going.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
To every day. And she and I loved it and
we were engaged.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But then other people got engaged as well, and so
it is, like Mary said, it's very organic the way
everything happened, and we're just so grateful for that, you know,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Do you feel like Chicks on the Right has a
beat like for example, I do another podcast with Mary
Catherine Ham we called Normally and normally whenever we see
a story about like schools or like merit rigor and
schools like that is immediately our beat. Something to do
like to do with schools like that is our jam.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Do you guys have something like that? We have a
couple we do.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We have like a whole bunch because our show is
it's made up of you know, it's usually about an
hour and a half, maybe a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Wow, And typically we cover five minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean in that hour and a half,
we probably cover like thirty different stories, and so we like.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
In under half an hour.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We cover a lot of ground because we know that
a lot of our audience, that is how they consume
the news, is that they'd rather hear it from two
chicks that are having a blast talking about it, even
the hard things, and so we try to cover a lot.
But like Daisy said, I think we have like a
couple of hot button issues for her especially it's like
girl you know, boys and girls sports.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
She's a mom of an athlete daughter.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So that's a huge, huge issue.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But we also, as you.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Know, much to our audience's chagrin, some of the time
we do talk about what's happening in podcast to stand
with Candace and with all of the crazy conspiracies. We
do spend a lot of time on that because it
seems to be such a cultural moment for that story.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And I think that we also one of the things
that's been a theme for both of us, and I
think one of the reasons that we are best friends
is because we absolutely adore our country. We love our country,
and we don't like people who don't, you know. So
it's like there's a common thread there, and I think
that weaves its way through every show that we have,
(09:30):
because you know, Mary is a daughter of immigrants, of
Polish immigrants, and she was raised as an American girl,
and she her family. I love her family so much.
I come from kind of a broken family, so I've
adopted her family, and her family is just so wonderful
because they appreciate being here, and Mary appreciates being an American,
(09:50):
and I appreciate being an American, even though I'm you know,
I'm not a daughter of immigrants and my story is
very different. But we have that common theme between the
two of us where we just it's like we both
get weepy about how awesome our country is.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, and I and so many people aren't that
way these days, and that makes us both sad.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh, we're just coming off of you know, July fourth weekend,
two fifty I record these foreign Advance But it was
a really wonderful kind of spectacle.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I really love every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And I'm such on such a high today after all
that and feeling so good about the direction of the country.
I mean, I'm like, I'm sure the podcast is stand
is going to tell us why we should do, why
we think Russia's better, But for.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Now, yeah, ride that wave, ride it totally.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So a question I ask all of my guests is
what are you most proud of in your life? So
I'll go to each of you, Daisy, if you want
to start us off.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think for me, there's a couple of things I'm proud.
I'm most proud of the people that I love and
the people that love me, mainly because, like I said,
I don't my family was not that great growing up,
and so one of my biggest goals in life was
to create an immediate family that is love and strong
and supportive and just awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And I've done that.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And so I'm super proud of my family and my
inner circle. And i'd consider Mary to be part of
that because she's sort of like an adopted sister, and
so I just the people that are in my life.
I think that's the people that surround me. I think
that's what I'm most proud of and the work we've
done together.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, In fact, I was gonna I wasn't sure if
you your question was professionally or personally proud of, so
I like prepared two different answers, but both and I
know I speak for Amy Joe when I answer professionally
that the thing we're most proud of is the community
that we've feltally because it really, it's it really is
an amazing audience that has stuck by us, some for
(11:42):
years and years, some from the very beginning, and they
are just this the most loving, kind audience that has
become friends with each other. We have these meet and
greets that will have kind of all over the country
once every year year and a half or so, and
it's like a it's like a family reunion at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's really just an amazing career, so humbling, so godding
for both.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, and then personally, I would just say I've had
a rough couple of few years. So one of the
things is I guess I would say I'm real proud
of my resilience because I've had to have that. I
had a stroke on camera during our show a few
years back, and so fighting health scares and.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Then also losing my son.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So I've had some stuff that has happened, and I
feel like I've maintained a certain level of resilience and
happiness in spite of it.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And so that's what I would say I was proud of.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's amazing, that's such a so obvious that you're so strong,
and it's really just thank you. Incredible feat. I love
all the answer. Both answers are just one of the Also,
I just love Daisy that you say, you know you
came from a broken family and you've made your family
what you wanted it to be. I think that's again
testament to strength and to prayer and all of that
(12:58):
and totally totally positive direction. Yeah, we're going to take
a quick break and be right back on the Carol
Markowitz Show. Give us a five year out prediction. And
I know we're in the world of politics, so it
could be about politics, but it could be about anything, art, music,
whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You want me to go first, Yeah, sure, I was
at twenty thirty one. I think AI will be rampant,
and so, you know, I have older kids, and then
I have a sixteen year old, and I already see
so much of a lack of creativity, like in music
and art and culture. That concerns me because back you know,
we were raised in the eighties, so that's that. I'm sorry,
people can fight me on this, but best music ever
(13:41):
and we have great movies, and I feel like, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Social media and technology has changed that.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And so just from that perspective, From a cultural perspective,
I think that AI will continue to AI, and technology
will continue.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
To affect that and will be I'll be more nostalgic
than ever, honestly.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
And then politically, I think we're going to become more
fractured just because we've got Comis taken over and so
I think you're going to see a divide. But then
even in the fractures. You're going to see sub fractures,
like on our side, subfractures. It's going to be a
very different landscape politically in five years, I believe, do.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You so I have a much go ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I'm sorry, I was gonna say just to follow up
for a second on that. You know, the commis taking over.
I think for people in the right, we've been talking
about this for years, right, we saw this coming. This
is all not surprising. But I'm hearing a lot of
shock and off from Democrats, from like kind of more
moderate friends of mine. I'm moderate slash liberal. Do you
(14:39):
have any optimism that they'll wise up and kind of
come over to the right or are they going to
just be enveloped into the left.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I think they're going to be enveloped on the left.
I think there are two Americas now and where it's
going to become more divided than ever. And I think
they stick together, whereas we tend to critically think more
and they're.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Like, we just have to win.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Let's just do whatever we got to do to win.
And so that's what we're seeing that happen already.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, I had a much more optimistic take.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I love that optimist, right, But.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I mean, I just I was thinking about like a
five year outlook, and some of the things I just
think that Trump has had such a huge impact on
would include things like, I think we're going to see
a lot more made in America stuff. I think we're
going to have a lot more manufacturing here in America.
And I do feel hopeful that even though we're seeing
(15:31):
sort of this invasion thanks to Biden's open borders, I
do feel like more eyes are going to be open
to the threat of Islam to the country.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I feel like that's already happening.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And so as much as it is scary to see
like the Kami's, you know, infiltrate the way they are,
it's almost a good thing that it's happening this quickly,
because I feel like more people will be like whoa,
and then maybe the pendulum will swing back kind of
the way that it did with you know, men and
women's sports, Like people finally reached a point where they
(16:03):
were like everyone has gone completely that shit, and so
things kind of started to right themselves. And I'm holding
out hope that the same thing is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And I also hope, you know, since millennials and Gen
z are going to be taking over things, and then
they're going to take over a lot of things in
the next five years. And that could be political, it
could be cultural, whatever, But it depends on where those
kids come from. Like I have a kid who's sixteen,
and she's very conservative, and so are her friends. So
I do look, I mean to add to Mary's hope,
I do look at like our that generation all is
(16:35):
not lost because there are a lot of kids who
are that age who are like, this is whack.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know, we have a we love America. America's awesome.
You know, so.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Absolutely I'm barely an optimistic but I to bring this
all full circle, I am concerned that the left joins
up forces with our I can't even call them far right,
I mean, like are but Castastan is really what they are,
and they sort of they have that horseshoe and they
win elections that way. Like I think Graham Platner is
(17:04):
almost like the first example of that you know, Nazi
tattoo on his chest. Elizabeth Warren talking points. I mean,
this is the first example of Tucker Carlson's going to
be voting for that guy, right, I mean it seems
like pretty obvious. So when you have that horseshoe, what
if they end up amassing more power? Yeah, I don't know.
I'm optimistic, except when I start thinking like that.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, well, it's very easy to get to doom scroll
as I say, and see all the horrific stuff that
you just can't even believe. Like it's you almost don't
recognize your own country in some ways because you cannot
believe the stupidity of so many people that don't appreciate
how great they have it here in America. And it's
just like, why would you hate on the best country
(17:48):
on the planet.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Right that people are dying to get into. They're all fine,
I mean, everybody wants to be everybody wants to be us, everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
European tourists for the World Cup that was such a
like glowing, amazing moment for us, where well we're seeing
America through their eyes and like, yeah, BUCkies is amazing.
It is, right, it is. Yeah. But you know, right
away when that happened, the kind of liberal elites started
writing articles about how they're not real and these opinions
(18:18):
aren't real and how you America is actually not that great.
We're always kind of why.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
That, yeah, and why do they do that?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I will never understand why people want a crap in
their own house, I don't get.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I think it's because liberals are so miserable and they
can't stand being miserable alone.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So this is what they do. They just they want.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Everybody to share in their miserable, sad, pathetic lives.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That was why you really feel much Yep, she's right, right.
So do you feel a general sense of optimism for
the direction of the country. I know we've covered a
lot here, so like it's hard to sum it up,
but do you like, when you think about.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
The next five years in America, are we on a
good path or not? I'm positive only because of my children.
If I didn't have kids, I don't know if I
may be more like, oh, good things suck, but I
do I do see I have, you know, I feel
like I have to be positive. And I am positive
because I because I see my kids and I'm like,
you know what, they're good kids and they're doing good things,
(19:19):
and so I'm going to be dead one day and
they're going to be around, caring on the torch of
our family.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I feel like you know there are good there
are good people.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Out there, and I think I'd have to have faith
in good people that will put we will prevail, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, And I just say, never bet against America, right,
I'm optimistic.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I love that our family motto is actually always bet
on us, and I feel the same way about America.
Always bet on us, but against all Yes. But I've
loved this conversation, ladies. I think you're both just fantastic.
Really love following you and listening to what you have
to say. Leave us here with your best tip from
my listeners on how they can improve their lives, and
(20:03):
we'll start with you mock.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Okay, So I would say, choose happiness every day. It's
a choice and it's always the best, rightest one to make.
Don't be afraid to say what's on your mind, and
make sure that you're developing several layers of thick skin,
especially if you do decide to be brave and speak
your mind, because people will try to say the most
(20:28):
wretched things to you when you do come out and
speak the truth. So just be prepared that you're going
to take a lot of arrows and don't let it
bother you.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I would say that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Reject Candice Owen's completely and cherish your friends and family.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
That would be my advice. Those are great. I love that.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I think in mind is kind of similar in that
I think that the best we've learned a lot now
that we're middle aged women, we can actually speak to
this right how to have a good life. But I
think one of the things that you can do is
just to be grateful. Like, if you feel like you
have nothing to be grateful for, just be grateful for
a sunrise, you know. But if you're grateful, then you
(21:09):
will get good blessings that come to you. That's how
I feel about that. So I'm always just grateful for
waking up and being here and being in the best
country on the planet, being a woman in the best
of the Yeah. And then my second thing would be
never stop learning, because it's good to always improve yourself
and to always learn. Even like right now I'm taking
(21:29):
drum lessons, which wow, like, I know it's ridiculous, right,
but I've always had to play the drums, and I'm like,
you know what, I'm gonna learn to play the drums,
and I kind of suck at it, but it's but
it's super fun.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
To do that at fifty four.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
It's great to learn a new skill and try new
things and just be open minded. And that is what
living is all about, right, and we can do that
in this awesome country.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
So oh good, you guys are so inspreted. Well, thank
you so much for coming on. They are Mariam Weaver,
Mock and Amy, Joe Clark, Daisy from Chicks on the Right.
Listen to their show. They're just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Thank you so much, ladies, Thank you Carolo
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