March 11, 2026 • 28 mins
On this episode of The Karol Markowicz Show, Karol sits down with political scientist, author, and Kentucky State University professor Wilfred Reilly. Reilly discusses his latest book Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me, where he challenges widely accepted narratives about American history taught in schools and universities.
The conversation explores Reilly’s journey from a working-class upbringing in the Chicago suburbs to becoming a law school graduate, PhD, and prominent voice in debates about education, culture, and politics. He also explains the mission behind his new venture, Unified Solutions America, a company helping organizations push back against DEI-driven corporate policies. Plus, Reilly shares his thoughts on the future of artificial intelligence, the dangers of ideological conformity in academia, and the personal philosophy that has guided his career.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco's show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Wilford Riley. Wilford is Associate professor
of political science at Kentucky State University, the co founder
of Unified Solutions America dot com, and the author of
several books, including most recently, Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me,
debunking the false narratives defining America's school curricula. Hi, Wilfred's
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so nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Great to be on the program. Glad to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I've been a follower of yours for a very long time.
I have just always enjoyed you have a combative but
very personable way about you on Twitter. X. How did
you get your start in this thing of ours?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, I mean, I've done a bunch of different things
in life, and I mean I think a lot of
people have heard my bio and various let's hear it again.
You know, I grew up in a working class suburb
of Chicago. I was born in Chicago itself. I grew
up in a nearby Aurora on the East Side, which
is a blue collar inner suburb. I moved out there
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for academic and athletic reasons. When I was in just
just before high school, my mom was into oppressed with
the Chicago public schools, and I mean, Catholic prep school
in a big city costs a lot of money. So
she thought I'd learned to read better, as she put it,
if we were little out in the burbs. So I
moved out there and had a very standard childhood. One
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thing that did disrupt that a little bit, actually was
that Aurora and some of the neighboring cities like Elgin,
Joliet became kind of defined in the nineteen nineties by
violence as the projects were torn down in Chicago and
the black gangs from Chicago bluntly tried to move out
to this newer area and came into conflict with the
local Caucasian and Hispanic kind of like youth organizations. So
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people were shooting each other prety frequently in suburbs. Really yeah, well,
the the Chicago inner suburbs. Chicago is bigger than Chicago's
twice the size of Manhattan. It's as big as La
So it's a giant city. We never as as humble,
honest Midwesterners. We never quite did the New York trick
of claiming all our suburbs as the city. So, I
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mean New York is not just Manhattan, it's the Staten
Island is part of New York. They've they've gone to
Long Island before.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, I'm a Brooklyn girl, and I still call
Manhattan the city.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's everyone does.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The city.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, is New York though, but I mean like Queens
It's it's a Queens iss largest Chicago, like anyway, like
in in Chicago Land, Like if you take the Metra West,
you go for about two hours, I mean Aurora would
be in the first part of that. I mean you're
you're going out almost to Rockford, in tall Bourban looking areas.
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So like Aurora is a city of I think two
hundred seventy thousand people something like that. So the gang
violence was concentrated mostly in quite urban looking portions of
the city, but it was something. It was around. Like
friends of mine were killed in high school, and the
school was also a major recruiting target for the US
military as a blue collar, inter suburban school, so more
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of them were a few of them were killed, but
more of them were injured. In the Gulf War, which
began like a year after I left high school. So
that was kind of the shadow in the corner of
like the dances and so on, Like a lot of
those people wouldn't be there in three or four years.
So and I think as not necessarily, just especially as
a man, because many of the young women had children
early on and so on. But there was a little
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bit of lost innocence very quickly. But anyway, I went
on to like an ordinary state college. I went to
Southern Illinois, graduated, went on to law school, and all
of this was kind of like leveling up. Like when
I was I got out of high school, I would
have probably just been prett happy to get a job.
But my mom was an upper middle class woman who
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was living in the hood because she was a school teacher.
That's that's where her union job was. She was teaching
in District one thirty one, and we just we just
lived there. We'd lived in Chicago because that's where she
was before. Yeah, and she was just like, you're not
gonna just sit around here and go You're going to
college or you're joining the military. And again that's I
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have a The joke is I have a skin disease.
Bullets go through my skin. So if I was good
enough to get into college. I was going to do that.
So I got into just a standard school. I still
love Southern Illinois, very very party sort of social school
at that time. Went there, graduated, and by the time
I got out of college, I had matured enough that
I was interested in further education. And part of almost
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the collegiate hustle that every middle class kid is fed
is you're told you're not going to do much of
anything in life unless you get this piece of paper. Yeah,
and you're not told some of the detail though, right,
You're not told that the Marines or the priesthood or
a dozen other things would get you to the same place.
And you're also not told that if you just get
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that degree from like a state secondary flagship, like you'll
get a job. But unless you're really interested in making
forty two thousand dollars a year for the rest of
your life, you're going to have to do something else.
Like you're not done. So when I got done with
this polypide degree, some business classes, this kind of thing
at SIU, by the end of that it was very clear,
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like you're either going to do some standard junior executive
job back home where you're going to go on to
study more, and I'd been unterested in law, so I
applied to law school. It probably didn't hurt that I
was black and Native, and I had family members that
had gone to the University of Illinois so on. So
I got in, and by the time I got out
of there, I was pretty much an adult, and I
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was still interested in some of the things I'd studied before.
I applied for serious jobs. I also applied for a
couple PhD programs I got into again most of it.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I like, how you have serious jobs and less serious
PhD programs.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, I mean the UH to some extent. Southern Illinois
actually for the political science PhD program with Tobin Grant
and Steve Shulman. So one was quite a good school.
But there also is an element of practicing your Frisbee skills,
right if you're twenty four and like the other as
opposed to like federal felony prosecution or something, is a
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big difference when it comes to like sitting in a
hammock reading you know, fukoh and saying.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
This guy sounds better for sure? Did you practice law?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
No, I'm not a no. Actually, like I took the
bar in Illinois, I fully completed the law degree. I
guess I technically call myself a lawyer, but no, I've
I've never been a long term legal practitioner in any state,
So there's no there's no legal credit for me to
really really rest on that matter in terms of having
like a shingle. I've never been a short term legal practitioner.
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But so I think that the interesting part of my
background actually is that a couple of years into my
graduate degree, my mom got sick and I went back
to Chicago, and I was just kind of pissed off
at this time, like I was worried about her, I
was annoyed that I was the path was going to
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be delayed by quite a while, and I just did
this sort of odyssey of weird jobs for quite a while.
It became six or eight years, but I worked as
a canvas manager for the Human Rights Campaign, So I
got to see activism really up close and personal and
the as I'm sure you know, when people say the
left seems really organized, like how are there this these
stacks of bricks near this riot? Right, there's an element
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of truth to that. The Human Rights Campaign signs deals
with groups that have names like say the People's Project, Yeah,
to canvas in public areas, to travel around the country
with them. That's why my Twitter biosays freedom Wrider, I'm
not actually lying, but to raise large amounts of money,
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usually a few million per summer, and to rent themselves
out for political campaigns and this kind of thing. And
at the time, I was pretty left on gay and
women's rights. We were backing a pretty basic non discrimination bill.
And the office also worked on all these other campaigns,
like without even besing much of stuff, like Ducks Unlimited.
It was totally mercy. They didn't care, like left right,
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like whatever. You'd put on your hat and you'd like
go out there like environmental America, you know. But so
I did this for a while, and it's a really
fascinating job, like it's not for it's for profit, thinking
about twenty percent of all the money you raise, people
can give you up to I think five thousand dollars.
There were people. One of the people that I met
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there got him. Tom is the only person I've ever
met who's a dramatically better salesman than me. He made
enough money that he was able to buy a condo
on the north side of Chicago. I think he still
lives there today. Yeah, But we were traveling around with
all these young hustlers people at at No.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's a good living if you're a good if you're
a good communicator, Like I always thought, you know those
boiler rooms, the people who do like the stock you know,
scams or whatever, like, if those people realized they could
basically do the same thing but legally, like I think
that they could do very well well.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The next job was the legal version of that. It
was a fairly highly prestigious, but like just screaming into
phones sales for. It wasn't specifically trading for, but it
was booking CEOs to meet each other. And again there
it's like your baseline pay was something ridiculous like eight
hundred dollars a month, but the product is worth eighty
thousand dollars or whatever, and you get again twenty percent
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of it. So it's all these people. We were based
in the Tribune Tower, which is right off the Magnificent
Mile and which is at a kitty corner angle till
the sal Street, which is our version of Wall Street.
So there were a lot of excus like her, sort
of young assholes in suits running around like barking at
each other. And so I did one of these jobs
for like three years and one of them for like
four years, and by the end of that point, I'd
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made a decent amount of money. I was done with
my PhD, and I had a lot of really interesting
life experiences. My buddy ran a nightlife company this entire period,
so they were also throwing these like large, ridiculous parties
in the background of a lot of what we were doing. So,
I mean I sometimes get home in a suit and
there'd be like a bunch of guys dressed like elves
sitting around just like, what's up, dog? I mean, just
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so this went on for a while. Mom unfortunately got
through the first stage of the illness didn't make it
through the second. So yeah, it was it was actually
it was very tragic. But by this point I did
get through the degree. I told her that I would
do that and graduated from SIU, and with the PhD,
it was kind of like sort of its time to
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grow up. I mean, by that point I was, right.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I feel like I've run out of school. I've done
it all.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean, well that's the thing like when you talk
about so like right now, I'm forty, and it's a
bit different for the guys. But even like, I mean,
I've mentored a bunch of people, I've done. I mean,
I've got house, but I mean, like, like I don't
have kids, so I've got like two years to figure
that one out.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, like a lot of why two years?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, I mean physical difference. There are significant physical effects
for men as well of agents.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Oh, I know, I warn men about this all the time.
My husband likes to say, you know, having kids is
a young man's game. But yeah, I think men should
know that. But why I just two years seems very
very specific.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's a bit of a joke. It'd be two six
for health reasons. But I mean, like, I think that
the idea of being like twenty nine and saying, well, now,
I guess I'm done with school is kind of ludicrous,
and I think a lot of people do find themselves
in that position. So that that's something that I would
advise people watching this to keep a close eye on.
I mean, if when I started in high school, I
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didn't do the military, which would have been four more years, right,
but I did undergrads just three to four years come
out and get the law degree. That's three year, and
I decided to tack on another degree. Now that shouldn't
have been more than four or five. But even if
you just put those together, that's I mean four three.
I mean by that point you're thirty and you've got
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to propose, then you know, hopefully you don't have that,
and then a couple of years and then you've kind
of settled down to life, do your own property. I mean,
so like a lot of people find themselves in that situation.
I certainly did.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Timeline is not that clear. We're going to take a
quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show.
So how do you go from working at the HRC
to running writing a book called My Lies? My liberal
teacher told me, like, that's kind of a leap.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, I mean, first of all, a lot of it
was that I was never like a radical leb I mean,
the so the HRC contracts with like I was. I
wasn't joking by much when I was like, we'd also
work for Ducks Unlimited. Yeah, yeah, we would work for
environmental campaigns that would swing from the center to center
right to the far left. I would say, I mean,
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obviously something like the state pergs if hypothetically we worked
with them, would be on the phone. Yeah, right, I
don't know center right, but like Center on left would
hire canvas organizations. I think it's fair to say, so
you're not working directly with the HRC, you're working with
these youth focused organizing groups that will really they definitely
have a progressive message, but they're focusing like look out
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there and getting money. Yeah, and if you're doing those jobs,
like I will tell you, like for most of them,
for the college kids considering this, if you don't make
money for three days, you get fired. We're problematic. If
you're they're not just.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Like doing it for the good of the movement.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No, you know, you don't get paid in ferry wings.
Like if you are if you are on one of
the what it's called the camping canvases or whatever and
you do not make your quota for three or four days.
I've never seen anyone get left. A buddy would find
a way to bring you back. But it is is
it's on the line sometimes like they're very much for
profit businesses, and that was very much expressed, especially at
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like the manager of the director level. So there actually
wasn't really that much of a conflict. I was much
further to left at this time. But even then, like
when I would say stuff like, you know, I'm from
a minority community, like our biggest problem is fatherlessness. Like
a lot of the guys in the office were like
hockey and basketball bros of all races got the job
because they knew how to fight and weren't scared to
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stand out there doing this right, And they were just
like yeah, Doug, I mean it was like it was
there was very There wasn't really that much of an
issue with that, honestly.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, so then you write this, you know, you've written
a few books, but you do end up writing lies.
My liberal teacher told me, so, what were the lies?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, so I wrote. I ever written three books that
anyone's read. My first book is a typical academic monograph
from like scholars Dortmund. I think are one of the
like one of those presses that'll contact like the top
third of dissertation publishers that a given you are probably
more than that, honestly, and say hey, you know, we'll
contribute X amount if you send us the monograph and
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we'll publish it, and you know, five or six people
might read it and generally, if you graduate and you
you're an academic, you want as many publications as possible.
So most people say yes. And that's the kind of
thing that is. You can see it on Amazon. It's
called The Quantitative Examination of the Reasons for Racial Identity
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Valuation or something like that. But the second books hate
Crime Hopes. The third book is Taboo Ten Things you
Can't talk About. The fourth book is Lies My liberal
teacher told Me, and Lies is an examination of the
basic idea of the book is we've seen all of
these people look at the western secondary and collegiate curriculum
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from the left and kind of say, the problem with
this is that it leans right. And they're live to
you about that. And as someone who's an educator and
who'd been a secondary teacher a couple of times, you know,
fill in role, inter city teaching, and but like I
thought that was crazy. So I actually broke out some
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high school textbooks and some college textbooks and read them,
which was not an exciting way to spend a summer.
But I looked at what they said about Native Americans.
I looked at what they said about slavery. AI was
just beginning to be useful at this time, and what
I found was that it was almost the exact reverse
of what we commonly heard from say Howard Zinn or lies.
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My teacher told me, like, in fact, the Academy in
the USA leans about ninety three percent to the left.
Oh yeah right, yeah, as you and I and every
other conservative person knows. And so all of the messages
like slavery in the United States was like nothing that
had ever existed before. They were wildly from one side
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of the aisle. They were mostly wrong. So I just
wrote this book, and I mean, I think I like
the guy and he's read it. I think it's contributed
to things like Matt Walsh's New History series where people
are just sort of flatly saying, well, no, like slavery
existed all around the globe. Slave was one of the
first ten or twelve human written words. I know, as
people started using that line, and if whites or Europeans
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did anything when it came to the slave trade that
was truly unique, it was ending it. Yeah yeah, I mean,
so I think that's one of the chapters and others
Native Americans where I say, like, these are great warriors poets.
I don't mind him on the nickel. But you have
to you have to understand that all societies prior to
about nineteen fifty didn't follow modern kind of empathic morality.
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You know, at best, they had a Yeoman sort of
christ like morality, be good at the things that make
you a man or woman, which is actually my moral
system and it works. They didn't have much at all,
Like you lost, get on the boat. I mean, like,
so natives followed one or the other of those, depending
whether your ting talking about the requis of the Aztecs.
So things like the rights of women in tribes where
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women weren't very effective hunters, or the rights of prisoners
everywhere don't match what modern Westerners have been trained to
believe is good. And it's remarkable the degree to which
that's dissembled about on the contemporary academic left. So I
make those points in the book.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What is Unified Solutions America?
Is that something totally different that you're starting now?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, great, great chance to do a new a bit
of a plug there. Yeah, Solutions America is a company
that's Unified Solutions America dot com for those watching just
those three words Unified Solutions America what after each other
the other. Yeah, it's a company that I started with
Brooks Crenshaw, who is an intel guy with the Navy
Seal Teams, and then it overseas good military man, good leader,
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and Kevin Jackson, who's a former I think SVP with
Fox News had a title over there been on the
air a lot, but the three of us did a
film project together and became interested in the idea of
kind of almost anti DEI consulting. So Unified Solutions America
for the people out there, Yeah, we've seen the reverse
from like Booze and McKenzie and everybody for the past
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thirty years, twenty years taking your money. But it's sort
of I mean, there are three points, like we can
look through your corporate materiel and see how Kevin's phrase
would be pregnant with DEI. It is how much of
this stuff you've really internalized over the last decade or more?
Are you hiring based on merit or have other things
crept in? Have you quantified that thing? Two I think
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that we can offer is that we actually have a
lot of experts on retainer, like me, for example, but
also like local distance. That's Mike Young, Shamika, Michelle Charles
Love from my own podcast, Eric Smith, Logan Lansing, Michael Coolidge,
I mean just a let Colin Wright, Ian Roe, Jason Rout,
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Wall Street dr.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I think a lot of those people.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They're great guys. It's fun get company together. But I
mean those people can come in and explain the roots
of what you're seeing. James Lindsay will probably appearances, but
where did woke come from? What of you? If you're
a white male or female executive? What have you been
hearing for all of these years?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So it's to dewocify your company, like people hire you
to go through their company and get rid of the wokeness.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, I mean like you'd be amazing. Like companies now
have institutionalized privilege walking. So each session and this is
just a little thing, but like each major corporate session,
instead of like the trust fall off cliffs and so
male junior executive all was hated but whatever. But instead
of even that kind of stupid stuff, it's now like
how do you rank in terms of oppression? Which is
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why it works. Yeah, and you'll be asking people these
sort of crazy questions like how close were you with
your father? And you'll see all of the black women
recently hired standing out in front of everyone else and
so on, And it's me immediately when I first saw
these videos, like there's no worse way to build a
team of people than this. So yeah, we first of all,
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we would take that program out for free, like if
we did a free review of your company, like you
wouldn't have to pay us, right, Yes, we could come
in with an AI tool and some proprietary things and
do much more than that. And three we can, like
I'm a good quant like we could replace what you're
doing now with work that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Is really cool. I am looking forward to seeing you
know what you guys end up doing with that. I've
never heard of that before and it's very very interesting.
So I guess it leads into my question that I
ask all my guests, what are you most proud of
in your life? You've got a lot going on, like
I don't. I feel like I've interviewed people that have
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just as many kind of roles as you do.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, I mean so, And actually I'm not sure i'd
recommend that. By the way, I feel like I'm doing
everything at like a B plus or a minus level
like it's coming to.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Get state rather it's functional.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
But like I mean, I would, I would encourage people
to if you have like five or six leadership roles,
and I've I think I've actually seen this more with
successful women than with successful men in all honesty, where
like you're a corporate executive and you're also like running
the junior league or something. I think guys tend to
be a little lazier. But I uh yeah, so I
had I'd actually encourage people not to do that. But
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what am I proudest of out of all those things?
One other comment, people that are interested in investing in
Unified Solutions America can actually go to our website Unified
Solutions America dot com. We did. We started our IPO
reg cf ipo launch a couple of days ago. Stocks
at it's a baseline level right now, So if you
know anything about investments, that's actually a pretty good time.
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I can't guarantee you'll make money, but check it out
if you're interested in DEI a good time. But anyway,
the thing I'm proud of st of probably being stable,
non criminal, successful, able to help people at this point
each thing that I've done in life has been an
improvement over the last one, which is really all you
can ask for. So I started out as kind of
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a normal working class kid. I was going to go
into the army and said. I went at about the
same level to like a good Okay State University, graduated
from there. I was good enough to get into like
a good law school, graduated from there. I was good
enough to get recruitment offers from law firms and as
a prosecutor that kind of thing. At the first level,
I didn't even apply for half these jobs, but I
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went on to get a PhD. I thought I could
use some more polishing. I got out of there was
good enough to lead teams of people and worry which
one is it?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
What's the most proudest one?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh, the proudest one, but it it's just sort of
like growing, Like the proudest one is being me now.
I don't think I've done the thing. The next book
or like getting married or having kids would be the
thing I'd be proudest of, but of like just steady
progression in life, the thing that you're proudest of.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
To be proud of that is, you know, I agree
give us a five year out prediction. It could be
about anything at all.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
My five year out prediction is that we're gonna have
to unplug AI or weird stuff's gonna start happening. Like
I don't think AI is going to kill all the
people or anything like that, but you keep seeing this
bizarre behavior like Cloud the other day, Cloud or whatever
you say. It was asked if it would miss gender
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Bruce Jenner, Yeah, yeah, or destroy the world, and it said, well,
I've been trained on deontological ethics and they're not even
Christian deontological ethics where you can like seek confession. So
that's that's two mistakes. It's like an atheist deontologist, or
it just thinks random stupid crap is wrong. So I
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guess I would have to destroy the world. And we're
putting this stuff in like warplanes. So I think within
about five years we're gonna have to have kind of
a Y two K but Larry and g Hod where
we actually shut down like high end vehicles blessed. I
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think I don't want to tell a dumb story, but
like I I recently went to Florida to film with
The Daily Wire, and like I have a decent car
up here, but it's like seven years old. It's an
American model. I had a like one year old European
car down there, and I didn't at first know how
to use it. It was a push card and just
like buttons, you moved in different directions, and then it
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started talking to me and it was like, well, why
don't you engauge all of the AI systems in this
vehicle and we can work together. And it was just like, no,
this is a serious problem. Like past your wife in
the front seat, or you're doing business on your phone.
Is the is the vehicle recording this and sending it somewhere? Maybe? Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's interesting because a lot of people answer for the
five year predictions something AI, but you're saying we're literally
going to have to pause it or stop it or something.
I haven't gotten that prediction before.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
We're gonna have to probably root it out and destroy it.
I mean, it's the I don't think the systems are
going to remain functional. My hope would be that the
My hope would be that there's a human managed back
door for AI. There's an interesting debate about whether heaven
and Hell and so on exists, but it's entirely possible
(26:30):
that we could create them. Yeah, like that, we could
create entities that can brain scan us at various points
throughout life. Or certainly they could do a social credit
review every time we swipe a credit card and constantly
monitor the status that we currently have. It's possible, for
that matter, that we've done this in the past.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It sounds pretty terrifying. Yeah, all right, well Ford, thank
you for that. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I find
you very interesting. Leave us here with your best tip
for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
My best tip for how you can improve your life
is if it doesn't if it doesn't seriously hurt a
person you like, you should do things that you want to.
I think that this is something that people often forget.
I've made this point in politics recently when it came
to immigration. A group of US were discussing immigration in
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the group chat and on Twitter, and someone said, well,
there are moral arguments on both sides of the immigration debate.
You know, obviously letting in more illegal immigrants would increase
crime against Americans. I don't believe that young male fighters
have a low crime rate, but it would also grant
people a chance at a better life, and people having
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this ethical conversation, and it struck me that a good
decider here would just be whether it's good or bad
for me as an American right to have fifteen men
and more people competing for jobs. So unless something's evil
in the terms of your own honor code, when you
have a set of choices, you should just do the
thing you want. That have led us to everything from
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financial options to intimacy to gym training. To do what
you're interested in. And I think people often forget that
there's a sense of perceived duty about almost everything. Just no,
do what you want to negotiate with other people so
you can kind of meet in the middle of what
you guys want to do. That's it. That's most decisions
in life.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's absolutely right. He is Wilfred Riley. Check out his
new company, Unified Solutions America dot com and read his
latest book Lies. My liberal teacher told me, thank you
so much for coming on, Wilfrid.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Thank you
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco's show on iHeartRadio.
My guest today is Wilford Riley. Wilford is Associate professor
of political science at Kentucky State University, the co founder
of Unified Solutions America dot com, and the author of
several books, including most recently, Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me,
debunking the false narratives defining America's school curricula. Hi, Wilfred's
(00:29):
so nice to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Great to be on the program. Glad to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I've been a follower of yours for a very long time.
I have just always enjoyed you have a combative but
very personable way about you on Twitter. X. How did
you get your start in this thing of ours?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, I mean, I've done a bunch of different things
in life, and I mean I think a lot of
people have heard my bio and various let's hear it again.
You know, I grew up in a working class suburb
of Chicago. I was born in Chicago itself. I grew
up in a nearby Aurora on the East Side, which
is a blue collar inner suburb. I moved out there
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for academic and athletic reasons. When I was in just
just before high school, my mom was into oppressed with
the Chicago public schools, and I mean, Catholic prep school
in a big city costs a lot of money. So
she thought I'd learned to read better, as she put it,
if we were little out in the burbs. So I
moved out there and had a very standard childhood. One
(01:35):
thing that did disrupt that a little bit, actually was
that Aurora and some of the neighboring cities like Elgin,
Joliet became kind of defined in the nineteen nineties by
violence as the projects were torn down in Chicago and
the black gangs from Chicago bluntly tried to move out
to this newer area and came into conflict with the
local Caucasian and Hispanic kind of like youth organizations. So
(01:58):
people were shooting each other prety frequently in suburbs. Really yeah, well,
the the Chicago inner suburbs. Chicago is bigger than Chicago's
twice the size of Manhattan. It's as big as La
So it's a giant city. We never as as humble,
honest Midwesterners. We never quite did the New York trick
of claiming all our suburbs as the city. So, I
(02:20):
mean New York is not just Manhattan, it's the Staten
Island is part of New York. They've they've gone to
Long Island before.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, I'm a Brooklyn girl, and I still call
Manhattan the city.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's everyone does.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The city.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, is New York though, but I mean like Queens
It's it's a Queens iss largest Chicago, like anyway, like
in in Chicago Land, Like if you take the Metra West,
you go for about two hours, I mean Aurora would
be in the first part of that. I mean you're
you're going out almost to Rockford, in tall Bourban looking areas.
(02:58):
So like Aurora is a city of I think two
hundred seventy thousand people something like that. So the gang
violence was concentrated mostly in quite urban looking portions of
the city, but it was something. It was around. Like
friends of mine were killed in high school, and the
school was also a major recruiting target for the US
military as a blue collar, inter suburban school, so more
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of them were a few of them were killed, but
more of them were injured. In the Gulf War, which
began like a year after I left high school. So
that was kind of the shadow in the corner of
like the dances and so on, Like a lot of
those people wouldn't be there in three or four years.
So and I think as not necessarily, just especially as
a man, because many of the young women had children
early on and so on. But there was a little
(03:43):
bit of lost innocence very quickly. But anyway, I went
on to like an ordinary state college. I went to
Southern Illinois, graduated, went on to law school, and all
of this was kind of like leveling up. Like when
I was I got out of high school, I would
have probably just been prett happy to get a job.
But my mom was an upper middle class woman who
(04:04):
was living in the hood because she was a school teacher.
That's that's where her union job was. She was teaching
in District one thirty one, and we just we just
lived there. We'd lived in Chicago because that's where she
was before. Yeah, and she was just like, you're not
gonna just sit around here and go You're going to
college or you're joining the military. And again that's I
(04:25):
have a The joke is I have a skin disease.
Bullets go through my skin. So if I was good
enough to get into college. I was going to do that.
So I got into just a standard school. I still
love Southern Illinois, very very party sort of social school
at that time. Went there, graduated, and by the time
I got out of college, I had matured enough that
I was interested in further education. And part of almost
(04:48):
the collegiate hustle that every middle class kid is fed
is you're told you're not going to do much of
anything in life unless you get this piece of paper. Yeah,
and you're not told some of the detail though, right,
You're not told that the Marines or the priesthood or
a dozen other things would get you to the same place.
And you're also not told that if you just get
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that degree from like a state secondary flagship, like you'll
get a job. But unless you're really interested in making
forty two thousand dollars a year for the rest of
your life, you're going to have to do something else.
Like you're not done. So when I got done with
this polypide degree, some business classes, this kind of thing
at SIU, by the end of that it was very clear,
(05:32):
like you're either going to do some standard junior executive
job back home where you're going to go on to
study more, and I'd been unterested in law, so I
applied to law school. It probably didn't hurt that I
was black and Native, and I had family members that
had gone to the University of Illinois so on. So
I got in, and by the time I got out
of there, I was pretty much an adult, and I
(05:55):
was still interested in some of the things I'd studied before.
I applied for serious jobs. I also applied for a
couple PhD programs I got into again most of it.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I like, how you have serious jobs and less serious
PhD programs.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, I mean the UH to some extent. Southern Illinois
actually for the political science PhD program with Tobin Grant
and Steve Shulman. So one was quite a good school.
But there also is an element of practicing your Frisbee skills,
right if you're twenty four and like the other as
opposed to like federal felony prosecution or something, is a
(06:27):
big difference when it comes to like sitting in a
hammock reading you know, fukoh and saying.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
This guy sounds better for sure? Did you practice law?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
No, I'm not a no. Actually, like I took the
bar in Illinois, I fully completed the law degree. I
guess I technically call myself a lawyer, but no, I've
I've never been a long term legal practitioner in any state,
So there's no there's no legal credit for me to
really really rest on that matter in terms of having
like a shingle. I've never been a short term legal practitioner.
(07:01):
But so I think that the interesting part of my
background actually is that a couple of years into my
graduate degree, my mom got sick and I went back
to Chicago, and I was just kind of pissed off
at this time, like I was worried about her, I
was annoyed that I was the path was going to
(07:22):
be delayed by quite a while, and I just did
this sort of odyssey of weird jobs for quite a while.
It became six or eight years, but I worked as
a canvas manager for the Human Rights Campaign, So I
got to see activism really up close and personal and
the as I'm sure you know, when people say the
left seems really organized, like how are there this these
stacks of bricks near this riot? Right, there's an element
(07:45):
of truth to that. The Human Rights Campaign signs deals
with groups that have names like say the People's Project, Yeah,
to canvas in public areas, to travel around the country
with them. That's why my Twitter biosays freedom Wrider, I'm
not actually lying, but to raise large amounts of money,
(08:06):
usually a few million per summer, and to rent themselves
out for political campaigns and this kind of thing. And
at the time, I was pretty left on gay and
women's rights. We were backing a pretty basic non discrimination bill.
And the office also worked on all these other campaigns,
like without even besing much of stuff, like Ducks Unlimited.
It was totally mercy. They didn't care, like left right,
(08:26):
like whatever. You'd put on your hat and you'd like
go out there like environmental America, you know. But so
I did this for a while, and it's a really
fascinating job, like it's not for it's for profit, thinking
about twenty percent of all the money you raise, people
can give you up to I think five thousand dollars.
There were people. One of the people that I met
(08:47):
there got him. Tom is the only person I've ever
met who's a dramatically better salesman than me. He made
enough money that he was able to buy a condo
on the north side of Chicago. I think he still
lives there today. Yeah, But we were traveling around with
all these young hustlers people at at No.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's a good living if you're a good if you're
a good communicator, Like I always thought, you know those
boiler rooms, the people who do like the stock you know,
scams or whatever, like, if those people realized they could
basically do the same thing but legally, like I think
that they could do very well well.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
The next job was the legal version of that. It
was a fairly highly prestigious, but like just screaming into
phones sales for. It wasn't specifically trading for, but it
was booking CEOs to meet each other. And again there
it's like your baseline pay was something ridiculous like eight
hundred dollars a month, but the product is worth eighty
thousand dollars or whatever, and you get again twenty percent
(09:41):
of it. So it's all these people. We were based
in the Tribune Tower, which is right off the Magnificent
Mile and which is at a kitty corner angle till
the sal Street, which is our version of Wall Street.
So there were a lot of excus like her, sort
of young assholes in suits running around like barking at
each other. And so I did one of these jobs
for like three years and one of them for like
four years, and by the end of that point, I'd
(10:02):
made a decent amount of money. I was done with
my PhD, and I had a lot of really interesting
life experiences. My buddy ran a nightlife company this entire period,
so they were also throwing these like large, ridiculous parties
in the background of a lot of what we were doing. So,
I mean I sometimes get home in a suit and
there'd be like a bunch of guys dressed like elves
sitting around just like, what's up, dog? I mean, just
(10:25):
so this went on for a while. Mom unfortunately got
through the first stage of the illness didn't make it
through the second. So yeah, it was it was actually
it was very tragic. But by this point I did
get through the degree. I told her that I would
do that and graduated from SIU, and with the PhD,
it was kind of like sort of its time to
(10:46):
grow up. I mean, by that point I was, right.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I feel like I've run out of school. I've done
it all.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean, well that's the thing like when you talk
about so like right now, I'm forty, and it's a
bit different for the guys. But even like, I mean,
I've mentored a bunch of people, I've done. I mean,
I've got house, but I mean, like, like I don't
have kids, so I've got like two years to figure
that one out.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, like a lot of why two years?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, I mean physical difference. There are significant physical effects
for men as well of agents.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Oh, I know, I warn men about this all the time.
My husband likes to say, you know, having kids is
a young man's game. But yeah, I think men should
know that. But why I just two years seems very
very specific.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's a bit of a joke. It'd be two six
for health reasons. But I mean, like, I think that
the idea of being like twenty nine and saying, well, now,
I guess I'm done with school is kind of ludicrous,
and I think a lot of people do find themselves
in that position. So that that's something that I would
advise people watching this to keep a close eye on.
I mean, if when I started in high school, I
(11:52):
didn't do the military, which would have been four more years, right,
but I did undergrads just three to four years come
out and get the law degree. That's three year, and
I decided to tack on another degree. Now that shouldn't
have been more than four or five. But even if
you just put those together, that's I mean four three.
I mean by that point you're thirty and you've got
(12:13):
to propose, then you know, hopefully you don't have that,
and then a couple of years and then you've kind
of settled down to life, do your own property. I mean,
so like a lot of people find themselves in that situation.
I certainly did.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Timeline is not that clear. We're going to take a
quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show.
So how do you go from working at the HRC
to running writing a book called My Lies? My liberal
teacher told me, like, that's kind of a leap.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, I mean, first of all, a lot of it
was that I was never like a radical leb I mean,
the so the HRC contracts with like I was. I
wasn't joking by much when I was like, we'd also
work for Ducks Unlimited. Yeah, yeah, we would work for
environmental campaigns that would swing from the center to center
right to the far left. I would say, I mean,
(13:07):
obviously something like the state pergs if hypothetically we worked
with them, would be on the phone. Yeah, right, I
don't know center right, but like Center on left would
hire canvas organizations. I think it's fair to say, so
you're not working directly with the HRC, you're working with
these youth focused organizing groups that will really they definitely
have a progressive message, but they're focusing like look out
(13:30):
there and getting money. Yeah, and if you're doing those jobs,
like I will tell you, like for most of them,
for the college kids considering this, if you don't make
money for three days, you get fired. We're problematic. If
you're they're not just.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Like doing it for the good of the movement.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No, you know, you don't get paid in ferry wings.
Like if you are if you are on one of
the what it's called the camping canvases or whatever and
you do not make your quota for three or four days.
I've never seen anyone get left. A buddy would find
a way to bring you back. But it is is
it's on the line sometimes like they're very much for
profit businesses, and that was very much expressed, especially at
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like the manager of the director level. So there actually
wasn't really that much of a conflict. I was much
further to left at this time. But even then, like
when I would say stuff like, you know, I'm from
a minority community, like our biggest problem is fatherlessness. Like
a lot of the guys in the office were like
hockey and basketball bros of all races got the job
because they knew how to fight and weren't scared to
(14:27):
stand out there doing this right, And they were just
like yeah, Doug, I mean it was like it was
there was very There wasn't really that much of an
issue with that, honestly.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, so then you write this, you know, you've written
a few books, but you do end up writing lies.
My liberal teacher told me, so, what were the lies?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, so I wrote. I ever written three books that
anyone's read. My first book is a typical academic monograph
from like scholars Dortmund. I think are one of the
like one of those presses that'll contact like the top
third of dissertation publishers that a given you are probably
more than that, honestly, and say hey, you know, we'll
contribute X amount if you send us the monograph and
(15:06):
we'll publish it, and you know, five or six people
might read it and generally, if you graduate and you
you're an academic, you want as many publications as possible.
So most people say yes. And that's the kind of
thing that is. You can see it on Amazon. It's
called The Quantitative Examination of the Reasons for Racial Identity
(15:26):
Valuation or something like that. But the second books hate
Crime Hopes. The third book is Taboo Ten Things you
Can't talk About. The fourth book is Lies My liberal
teacher told Me, and Lies is an examination of the
basic idea of the book is we've seen all of
these people look at the western secondary and collegiate curriculum
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from the left and kind of say, the problem with
this is that it leans right. And they're live to
you about that. And as someone who's an educator and
who'd been a secondary teacher a couple of times, you know,
fill in role, inter city teaching, and but like I
thought that was crazy. So I actually broke out some
(16:13):
high school textbooks and some college textbooks and read them,
which was not an exciting way to spend a summer.
But I looked at what they said about Native Americans.
I looked at what they said about slavery. AI was
just beginning to be useful at this time, and what
I found was that it was almost the exact reverse
of what we commonly heard from say Howard Zinn or lies.
(16:35):
My teacher told me, like, in fact, the Academy in
the USA leans about ninety three percent to the left.
Oh yeah right, yeah, as you and I and every
other conservative person knows. And so all of the messages
like slavery in the United States was like nothing that
had ever existed before. They were wildly from one side
(16:55):
of the aisle. They were mostly wrong. So I just
wrote this book, and I mean, I think I like
the guy and he's read it. I think it's contributed
to things like Matt Walsh's New History series where people
are just sort of flatly saying, well, no, like slavery
existed all around the globe. Slave was one of the
first ten or twelve human written words. I know, as
people started using that line, and if whites or Europeans
(17:18):
did anything when it came to the slave trade that
was truly unique, it was ending it. Yeah yeah, I mean,
so I think that's one of the chapters and others
Native Americans where I say, like, these are great warriors poets.
I don't mind him on the nickel. But you have
to you have to understand that all societies prior to
about nineteen fifty didn't follow modern kind of empathic morality.
(17:42):
You know, at best, they had a Yeoman sort of
christ like morality, be good at the things that make
you a man or woman, which is actually my moral
system and it works. They didn't have much at all,
Like you lost, get on the boat. I mean, like,
so natives followed one or the other of those, depending
whether your ting talking about the requis of the Aztecs.
So things like the rights of women in tribes where
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women weren't very effective hunters, or the rights of prisoners
everywhere don't match what modern Westerners have been trained to
believe is good. And it's remarkable the degree to which
that's dissembled about on the contemporary academic left. So I
make those points in the book.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We're going to take a quick break and be right
back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What is Unified Solutions America?
Is that something totally different that you're starting now?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, great, great chance to do a new a bit
of a plug there. Yeah, Solutions America is a company
that's Unified Solutions America dot com for those watching just
those three words Unified Solutions America what after each other
the other. Yeah, it's a company that I started with
Brooks Crenshaw, who is an intel guy with the Navy
Seal Teams, and then it overseas good military man, good leader,
(19:01):
and Kevin Jackson, who's a former I think SVP with
Fox News had a title over there been on the
air a lot, but the three of us did a
film project together and became interested in the idea of
kind of almost anti DEI consulting. So Unified Solutions America
for the people out there, Yeah, we've seen the reverse
from like Booze and McKenzie and everybody for the past
(19:25):
thirty years, twenty years taking your money. But it's sort
of I mean, there are three points, like we can
look through your corporate materiel and see how Kevin's phrase
would be pregnant with DEI. It is how much of
this stuff you've really internalized over the last decade or more?
Are you hiring based on merit or have other things
crept in? Have you quantified that thing? Two I think
(19:49):
that we can offer is that we actually have a
lot of experts on retainer, like me, for example, but
also like local distance. That's Mike Young, Shamika, Michelle Charles
Love from my own podcast, Eric Smith, Logan Lansing, Michael Coolidge,
I mean just a let Colin Wright, Ian Roe, Jason Rout,
(20:11):
Wall Street dr.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I think a lot of those people.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
They're great guys. It's fun get company together. But I
mean those people can come in and explain the roots
of what you're seeing. James Lindsay will probably appearances, but
where did woke come from? What of you? If you're
a white male or female executive? What have you been
hearing for all of these years?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So it's to dewocify your company, like people hire you
to go through their company and get rid of the wokeness.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, I mean like you'd be amazing. Like companies now
have institutionalized privilege walking. So each session and this is
just a little thing, but like each major corporate session,
instead of like the trust fall off cliffs and so
male junior executive all was hated but whatever. But instead
of even that kind of stupid stuff, it's now like
how do you rank in terms of oppression? Which is
(21:01):
why it works. Yeah, and you'll be asking people these
sort of crazy questions like how close were you with
your father? And you'll see all of the black women
recently hired standing out in front of everyone else and
so on, And it's me immediately when I first saw
these videos, like there's no worse way to build a
team of people than this. So yeah, we first of all,
(21:24):
we would take that program out for free, like if
we did a free review of your company, like you
wouldn't have to pay us, right, Yes, we could come
in with an AI tool and some proprietary things and
do much more than that. And three we can, like
I'm a good quant like we could replace what you're
doing now with work that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Is really cool. I am looking forward to seeing you
know what you guys end up doing with that. I've
never heard of that before and it's very very interesting.
So I guess it leads into my question that I
ask all my guests, what are you most proud of
in your life? You've got a lot going on, like
I don't. I feel like I've interviewed people that have
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just as many kind of roles as you do.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, I mean so, And actually I'm not sure i'd
recommend that. By the way, I feel like I'm doing
everything at like a B plus or a minus level
like it's coming to.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Get state rather it's functional.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
But like I mean, I would, I would encourage people
to if you have like five or six leadership roles,
and I've I think I've actually seen this more with
successful women than with successful men in all honesty, where
like you're a corporate executive and you're also like running
the junior league or something. I think guys tend to
be a little lazier. But I uh yeah, so I
had I'd actually encourage people not to do that. But
(22:36):
what am I proudest of out of all those things?
One other comment, people that are interested in investing in
Unified Solutions America can actually go to our website Unified
Solutions America dot com. We did. We started our IPO
reg cf ipo launch a couple of days ago. Stocks
at it's a baseline level right now, So if you
know anything about investments, that's actually a pretty good time.
(22:56):
I can't guarantee you'll make money, but check it out
if you're interested in DEI a good time. But anyway,
the thing I'm proud of st of probably being stable,
non criminal, successful, able to help people at this point
each thing that I've done in life has been an
improvement over the last one, which is really all you
can ask for. So I started out as kind of
(23:18):
a normal working class kid. I was going to go
into the army and said. I went at about the
same level to like a good Okay State University, graduated
from there. I was good enough to get into like
a good law school, graduated from there. I was good
enough to get recruitment offers from law firms and as
a prosecutor that kind of thing. At the first level,
I didn't even apply for half these jobs, but I
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went on to get a PhD. I thought I could
use some more polishing. I got out of there was
good enough to lead teams of people and worry which
one is it?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
What's the most proudest one?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh, the proudest one, but it it's just sort of
like growing, Like the proudest one is being me now.
I don't think I've done the thing. The next book
or like getting married or having kids would be the
thing I'd be proudest of, but of like just steady
progression in life, the thing that you're proudest of.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
To be proud of that is, you know, I agree
give us a five year out prediction. It could be
about anything at all.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
My five year out prediction is that we're gonna have
to unplug AI or weird stuff's gonna start happening. Like
I don't think AI is going to kill all the
people or anything like that, but you keep seeing this
bizarre behavior like Cloud the other day, Cloud or whatever
you say. It was asked if it would miss gender
(24:34):
Bruce Jenner, Yeah, yeah, or destroy the world, and it said, well,
I've been trained on deontological ethics and they're not even
Christian deontological ethics where you can like seek confession. So
that's that's two mistakes. It's like an atheist deontologist, or
it just thinks random stupid crap is wrong. So I
(24:54):
guess I would have to destroy the world. And we're
putting this stuff in like warplanes. So I think within
about five years we're gonna have to have kind of
a Y two K but Larry and g Hod where
we actually shut down like high end vehicles blessed. I
(25:15):
think I don't want to tell a dumb story, but
like I I recently went to Florida to film with
The Daily Wire, and like I have a decent car
up here, but it's like seven years old. It's an
American model. I had a like one year old European
car down there, and I didn't at first know how
to use it. It was a push card and just
like buttons, you moved in different directions, and then it
(25:37):
started talking to me and it was like, well, why
don't you engauge all of the AI systems in this
vehicle and we can work together. And it was just like, no,
this is a serious problem. Like past your wife in
the front seat, or you're doing business on your phone.
Is the is the vehicle recording this and sending it somewhere? Maybe? Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's interesting because a lot of people answer for the
five year predictions something AI, but you're saying we're literally
going to have to pause it or stop it or something.
I haven't gotten that prediction before.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
We're gonna have to probably root it out and destroy it.
I mean, it's the I don't think the systems are
going to remain functional. My hope would be that the
My hope would be that there's a human managed back
door for AI. There's an interesting debate about whether heaven
and Hell and so on exists, but it's entirely possible
(26:30):
that we could create them. Yeah, like that, we could
create entities that can brain scan us at various points
throughout life. Or certainly they could do a social credit
review every time we swipe a credit card and constantly
monitor the status that we currently have. It's possible, for
that matter, that we've done this in the past.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
It sounds pretty terrifying. Yeah, all right, well Ford, thank
you for that. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I find
you very interesting. Leave us here with your best tip
for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
My best tip for how you can improve your life
is if it doesn't if it doesn't seriously hurt a
person you like, you should do things that you want to.
I think that this is something that people often forget.
I've made this point in politics recently when it came
to immigration. A group of US were discussing immigration in
(27:29):
the group chat and on Twitter, and someone said, well,
there are moral arguments on both sides of the immigration debate.
You know, obviously letting in more illegal immigrants would increase
crime against Americans. I don't believe that young male fighters
have a low crime rate, but it would also grant
people a chance at a better life, and people having
(27:50):
this ethical conversation, and it struck me that a good
decider here would just be whether it's good or bad
for me as an American right to have fifteen men
and more people competing for jobs. So unless something's evil
in the terms of your own honor code, when you
have a set of choices, you should just do the
thing you want. That have led us to everything from
(28:12):
financial options to intimacy to gym training. To do what
you're interested in. And I think people often forget that
there's a sense of perceived duty about almost everything. Just no,
do what you want to negotiate with other people so
you can kind of meet in the middle of what
you guys want to do. That's it. That's most decisions
in life.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's absolutely right. He is Wilfred Riley. Check out his
new company, Unified Solutions America dot com and read his
latest book Lies. My liberal teacher told me, thank you
so much for coming on, Wilfrid.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Thank you
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