On this episode, Lisa Boothe speaks with FOX News Contributor & former FBI Agent, Nicole Parker about rising security concerns in the United States as tensions escalate with Iran and instability grows in the Middle East.
Parker breaks down the suspected terrorist attack in Austin, Texas, explaining why “lone offender” attacks are among the most difficult threats for law enforcement to detect and stop. She also explains how individuals can be radicalized online, why soft targets like bars, concerts, and sporting events are often chosen, and what Americans should do in an active shooter situation using the FBI’s “Run, Hide, Fight” guidance.
The conversation also dives into national security concerns tied to immigration and border policy, including reports of individuals on terror watch lists entering the United States. Parker discusses the challenges facing the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security, and how joint terrorism task forces work with local law enforcement to stop threats before they happen.
Finally, Parker warns that future attacks may not resemble September 11 attacks, emphasizing that cyber attacks on critical infrastructure—such as power grids, water systems, or emergency services—may pose an even greater risk.
Topics covered include:
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The suspected terror attack in Austin and the rise of lone offender violence
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Radicalization and recruitment through social media and online networks
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Concerns over sleeper cells and unvetted border crossings
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Why cyber warfare may be the next major battlefield
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How the FBI and local police work together to stop attacks before they happen
Parker also shares her perspective on reforms inside the FBI and the renewed focus on national security threats as the U.S. navigates an increasingly volatile global environment.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you.
With the ongoing war against Iran, national security experts are
sounding the alarm about retaliation right here at home, sleeper cells,
proxy attacks, or inspired alone actors targeting American soil and Americans.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So we've got Nicole Parker, former FBI.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Special agent, my colleague at Fox News and also the
author of two fbis, to talk about this, to ask
her about her experience in counter terrorism, how do we
prevent these things? What should you be looking out for.
This also hits close to home for her as a
Texan because just days ago, a gunman opened fire outside
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of Austin. A gunman opened fire outside of an Austin,
Texas bar, killing three. He wore a property of all
a sweatshirt as well as an Iranian flag, which is
leading investigators to believe that it was most likely a
terror attack. So we'll ask her about all of this
what you should know Stay tuned for Nicole Parker. Well, Nicole,
(01:10):
it's great to have you back on my friend. You know, obviously,
with everything that is happening and Iran in the Middle
East right now, we're worried about what could simultaneously be
happening here at home. We saw what very much looks
like a terror attack in Austin, Texas recently. He was
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not on anyone's radar. I mean, what kind of challenge
does that present authorities in the FBI moving forward, that
you could even have someone like, you know, this guy
in Texas who you know, no one's all coming, is
not even from Iran.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right exactly. So, Lisa, you bring up a very important
point because in light of what's happening with Iran, the
FBI is obviously on high alert, and I think the
mood has really heightened up recently since you know, a
few days ago. But remember, starting in October seventh, Israel
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was attacked. That's really when the FBI started seeing a
huge influx. And even Christopher Ray, when he was the
FBI director prior to the Trump administration coming back, he
has divied before Congress and said, you know, all red
lights are flashing warnings, alert threats are at an all
time high. And so I think we're back in that
very elevated threat level right now. And so it's always
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been a challenge for the FBI to track what I
refer to as loan offenders.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Some people call them lone wolfs. I do not.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think that's giving them sort of an image that
they are some sort of hero when a wolf.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
They're actually loan offenders. They're loan cowards. And the individual
that was out in Austin, you know, early Sunday morning
and that awful shooting that occurred, that is something that
I believe was linked to terrorism. I know the FBI
is looking at it very closely, but it has all
the earmarks that would indicate such. He obviously had on
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a sweatshirt that said, you know, property of Allah. Underneath that,
he had on a shirt that indicated an iranium flag.
They executed search Warree at his home in Luggerville outside
of Austin, where they found an iranium flag. They found
photos of regime leaders at his home, and so it
appears to have a strong nexus to terrorism. But even
(03:34):
looking at that, like you said, this individual is from Senegal.
Individuals do not have to be from Iran to have
issue with what's happening with Iran. A lot of these
loan offenders they look at opportunities, they're really opportunists, and
they see a moment where they can have notoriety and
fame and they think they're part of a bigger cause.
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And that's something that in the FBI we look very
closely at these loan offenders to see what drives them,
what is their grievance, what is it that motivates them,
what is the motivation behind doing what they do. So,
in looking at this specific investigation that again is still ongoing,
these individuals do tend to be the highest risk because
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they are typically the most difficult to detect.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
They are more.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Difficult to track, and this individual they will look into
determining when was he radicalized, how was he radicalized. A
lot of these people that are going to be acting up,
and I'm saying will be because I don't think that
this is the last time this will be happening. A
lot of times these are people that are sympathizers that
you know, just have sympathy towards the cause and do
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not agree with what the United States is doing in Iran.
So you've got that aspect of potential terrorism acts that
can happen. And again, Lisa, this can happen anywhere. It
can happen in Austin, it could happen in Iowa. It
could happen small town, big towns, large cities, you know,
anywhere could.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Be a target.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And that again is why it's very important for Americans
to be on high alert. Regardless of where you live,
regardless of how safe you think your community is. People
always think it's not going to happen here. It just
takes one person who decides to go out and do
something evil and then all of a sudden, your community
is the victim of a Hainus crime.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
You know, and we know that there were you know,
a record number of people in the terror watch list
trying to get into the country under Joe Biden, who
knows how many actually got into the United States. We
keep hearing about sleeper cells, like how do you categorize
a sleeper cell at the FBI, and like how do
you find those in distruction? Then how many do you
think are in the United States right now?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That would be impossible to know how many are in
the United States right now, because it's not that we
think that terrorists came into our country. We know that
terrorists came into our country when you have an open
border where literally people are welcomed in. Not only were
they just allowed and but once some of these individuals
came in, millions of people came in illegally into our country.
(06:04):
And then what did we do? We gave them all
of these amazing benefits, you know, more benefits than American
citizens get staying in fancy hotels in New York and
getting cell phones and credit cards. I mean, it was
absurd what happened. But that's a very, very huge concern
for the FBI and it has been since bided administration
because when you don't know who's coming into your country,
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you don't know what problem you have on your hands.
What we do know is that there were a lot
of military age men from adversarial nations that were coming
across the border.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That is a fact.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We do know that people were allowed into this country
that were on terror watchless, that's a fact. We don't
know how many. I know that there's people that you know,
we're working down near the border in the FBI at
the time that that was happening, and they would guess
that there were thousands of known or suspected terrorists or
intelligence linked associates that somehow just came into our country
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and disappeared. And it's kind of like playing the game
of hide and go see where are they now? They're
somewhere within our borders, and it's up to law enforcement
to track them down. And this is the time with
people that are members of these quote sleeper cells. You know,
they're quiet until all of a sudden they're not, and
there's something that triggers them and they're like, you know what,
now is the time that we're going to act, and
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you just don't ever know when that will be. The
FBI has certain investigative techniques which obviously we cannot reveal
in public settings, and certain information that's obviously classified that
you can't reveal. But there are ways that the FBI
can track certain things and indicate where these people are.
They keep a close eye on these individuals, but you
don't know what you don't know. You can't have people
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coming into your country completely unvetted. Now, think about how
ridiculous this is. After nine to eleven, the United States
spent billions, if not even more, on national security on
our homeland to avoid having something like that happen ever again,
only to just have that completely undone by allowing whoever
wanted you to come into our country. So it's very
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frustrating to myself as a witness of nine to eleven.
I think you know this. I was working at Maryland
eyewitnessed to happen down there at the World Trade Center
and to think of how much progress our country made
only to go back in time and lose a lot
of that progress because of allowing these individuals in. We've
said it, but we are like sitting ducks in many ways.
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And so when you have the conflict that's going on
with Iran right now, you have people within our nation
that you know, whenever they choose to act, they can,
and I hope that they don't. One thing that's very
different right now is we have the leadership of President Trump.
And one thing I know about President Trump is he
does not play. And if he says he's going to
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do something, he will. And if you touch your mess
with America, he will unleash the full wrath of our
military and every resource that we have against you. So
now would not be the time for someone to act
up in the United States and do a full force
terrorist attack. I personally do not believe it would be
something like nine to eleven. I think what law enforcement
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intelligence believes is that it would be more likely these
one off loan offenders. But again we never know. We
do not know what could be planned or what could
be happening. But I think what they do know is
that we have leadership in place now that they're not
messing around. And I couldn't say that under the Bland administration.
I couldn't say that under the Obama administration either. In
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those administrations, they wouldn't even call terrorism out for what
it actually was. That's not the case anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Nicole
on the other side, what does the radicalization process look
like for some of these folks?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So it's different for different individuals, but one thing that
a lot of times they do look at or individuals
that are vulnerable, people that are looking to be a
part of a greater cause, that want to be something
bigger than themselves, that you know, are looking for a
sense of belonging and self worth.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It can be very.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Different in different settings, but there are different ways that
they tend to find individuals. They tend to be younger,
and with social media platforms and different apps and things
that they can go into in systems where they can
literally track people to see who might be vulnerable, who
might be open to this, who might be sympathetic towards
people that they think are marginalized in society. Those tend
(10:24):
to be the individuals that are prime targets for radicalization.
But these various techniques. But I do think that technological
platforms can be so beneficial to society, but it can
also be used against you. I think that's how a
lot of this happens. People can be radicalized by people
from across the world here in the United States, and
again when we look at who's radicalized, you know, it
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could be someone who's from some of these adversarial nations
who come here, who that's their belief system because of
where they come from, or they could be US citizens
that just all of a sudden are sympathetic towards what's
happening in Iran and they don't think it's right and
they think, you know, so it runs the gamut as
far as who is a target for radicalization, but it
does tend to be you know a lot of times
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these individuals that are looking to be part of a
greater cause, a greater good, and you know, they think
that they're saving the world, when in reality they're getting
sucked into a vore tex of evil. I think also
we talk a lot about kinetic attacks. You know, that's
something that you know, the Loana funder attacks, the sleeper
cell types attacks, and nine to eleven type attacks, but
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we cannot underestimate what I think is even a bigger
risk are cyber attacks. Cyber attacks against our technological systems
or critical infrastructure. There's one thing that terrorists like to cause,
and its complete confusion and havoc and fear, and they
like to take control and if you can, you know,
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destabilize societies, taking out power grid systems, water systems, even
the nine to one to one dispatch pullings system. I
talk to my colleagues a lot, and maybe I shouldn't
talk about it, but that would, in my opinion, be
something that they would target first, because that's where you're
going to call when you're in chaos?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Is nine to one one? How hard is it to
do that? How capable is iron? Do we know? I?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well, I'm not going to give a ron too much credit.
I mean, they're not whatever they're capable of, We're stronger,
That's all I'm going to say. And I'm just going
to leave it at that Okay, we've got more capabilities
than anybody in the world, and to protect our nation,
we have the ability to protect and test me worth
warning these types of plots every day and Americans you
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don't hear about it, but these things are getting stopped
all the time. And so I just think, you know,
we're always thinking of like you know, nine to eleven
for those of us that we're alive during that era,
But it could be something much different where you don't
have to have boots on the ground to do some
sort of cyber attack in attacking our critical infrastructure. So again,
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there's different things that they could do. I think one
thing that I've also learned is a lot of times
that comes when you're least expecting it. A lot of
times when you're expecting it and everyone's on alert, they
know better than to act out at that time. It
can happen to just the most random moments. But again,
depending on the type of attack that they're looking at doing,
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whether it's there a loan of funder or cyber attack
or technological attack, obviously there's different motives for each, but
it all comes back to the same same thing. When
you're in the FBI, you take an oath to support
and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
And that is what the FBI is doing right now.
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You know, and I know that under the Biden administration,
the FBI had kind of lost its way. They were
focused on quote unquote domestic terrorism from January sixth and
all of that nonsense. And now there's no time for that.
They've completely cut that out. They're doing their real work.
They have all their energy and resources focused towards the
real threats and national health. Americans have greater peace that
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we're in a much better situation than we were a
year and a half ago under the Biden administration, because
now you have law enforcement agencies that are actually focused,
ready to go. The Joint Terrorism Task Forces. I'm sure
you're familiar with that. The jttfs. These are agencies that
consist of federal agencies, state.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Local, and they work together in tandem.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Because think about it, Lisa, Let's say the community of Miami.
The local police know more about Miami than the FBI.
That's their jurisdiction. Let's say in Miami Beach. So what
they do is they work together very very closely in
stopping all of these potential threats and so the FBI's
resources the DHS. And that's another point I want to
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make right now is the time for DHS to be
fully funded because they need the full support and they
need to be getting paid while they're effected to work
at the highest levels to protect our nation. And so
DHS was formulated after nine to eleven, and right now
they're not even getting full funding. That's unacceptable out of
time when we're at the highest level of threat. They
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need to be making sure that they're getting full funding.
So between FBI, DHS, all of our other law enforcement agencies,
with our jttfs, they're working around the clock. And I
can just say, for example, in South Florida, the local
police they're putting out more officers onto the streets in
light of what's happening with Iran as well. So it's
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not just the FBI, it's also your local law enforcement
all hands on deck. Everyone has to be aware of
what's happening, and they're stopping threats as well. It's starting
from your local jurisdictions all the way up to the
federal JURISDICTIONSQUET.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Just want you to know that twice now in the podcast,
you've read my mind, because I was going to ask
you about cyber and then you peremptively went there without
me even having to act. And that was also going
to ask you about the FBI, because I know that
you expressed your frustration and even wrote the book about it,
about your frustration with how the FBI was focused on
finding a grandmother that spent two seconds in the capitol
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instead of like terrorists. And you know, so I was
going to ask you about that too, and then you
you preempted me as well.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Oh great minds sink alike. Right, But I mean it's
true because it's frustrating to think what waste of resources
they were putting towards things that didn't matter, and now
that we're dealing with the true threats, it's not you know,
it's like, I mean, look at what cash Metel has
been tasked with. He just basically walked into a disaster zone. Here.
By the way, cash Ptel, can you fix the FBI
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and what happened and what went wrong for basically the
last ten years. Oh and by the way, you're dealing
with the highest threat levels ever, so can you just
take care of all of that. He's dealing with a lot.
I can tell you he's working around the clock, and
agents are working around the clock. The violent crime numbers
and are the lowest that they've been in our nation
in a very long time. He's I mean, they are
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working tirelessly, and so I refer to them as the
I one, the good solid FBI that I loved. They're
stepping up to the line and Americans can trust that
they are working hard to keep you safe. That's their
job is to keep the homeland safe. And along with
the Department of Homely and Security HSI, all of those
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different investigative agencies, they're working hard. But we cannot forget
about that open border. No one can be naive to
think what happened if we all think that there were
just sweet people that you know, we're crossing our border
for a better life. Look, there were a lot of
people crossing for a better life, but that is not
not everybody that was crossing has well intentioned. You know,
(17:39):
they're not all well intentioned here in the United States.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And we know that.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And if you don't believe that, you're grossly naive. So
all hands on deck. Everyone's got to be aware. But
the thing too, also, Lisa and again never live in fear,
but be aware. You know that bar is setting in Boston,
so the bar sitting in Austin. What happens is a
lot of times, these individuals, they pick soft targets right
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where people your alert level is lower. Right, you're at
a bar, you're having fun, it's a club, it's two am.
Everyone's kind of drinking and listening to music, and you're
having fun, which you should have fun. But at the
same time, right now, be aware and be aware of
your surroundings, be aware, be able to move quickly at quickly.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
If you see something, you've got to say something.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I mean there's just that fine balance, right because
do not stop living your life, do not live in fear,
but also be smart and responsible and be aware and
be vigilant and keep your head on a swivel. The
soft targets tend to be, you know, places where there
just isn't a lot of security and large groups, large
outdoor groups, entertainment things, sporting events. You know, we've seen
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it happen at these most random places. The Boston Marathon,
of all places, well, that's a very soft target. There's
no security to get in and out of the Boston
marathon and you're these are runners and just fun twenty
six mild. They're exhausted, they're vulnerable. Right, So again, entertainment facilities, concerts.
This is one thing that a lot of myself, me
and my colleagues from the FBI, I've been talking or
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former colleagues that in our opinion, that's really where we
think these types of things might happen, probably at places
that aren't a secure don't have as much security, don't
have the metal detectors.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Things like that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
If you hear shots like that, I mean, like, what
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
How do you react to it?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So, if you hear shots fired anywhere, ever, the theory
and the platform that we have always taught run, hide, fight.
So let's say you're at you at a party, you're
at wherever, a bar, and you start hearing shots. The
first thing you do is you do your best to
run away from wherever you hear the gunfire coming from.
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If you are not in a position where you can run,
and it's inside the club and you cannot get out,
then the next thing you do is you take cover.
You hide, You hide behind anything that's protective, cover, cement,
things like that, get away and barricade, whatever furniture you
can find, chairs, whatever you can do to protect some
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level of cover for yourself. If you're in a position
where you cannot run, you cannot hide, then you fight
with everything you have and you try to take them
down and that's your last resort, but it's the most
important one, and you literally fight for your life. So again,
always remember run, hide, fight, and that's what we.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Teach quick break.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
If you like what you're hearing, please share on social media,
send it to your family and friends, you know, And
before we go, why do you think they haven't found
Nancy Guthrie. I don't even know how long been play
some time now, Yeah, it's been a mind obviously with
the war, it's you know, the focus has shifted. But why,
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you know you would think that they would fight her
by now, I mean, is that an unreasonable expectation or
why has it taken so long? In your opinion?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You know, I'm always careful to not criticize, but I'm
also very honest. I think it was a very poorly
run investigation from the beginning. I think there were many
missteps from the beginning. I think that the Sheriff's office,
maybe not the rank and file, and I'm just going
to say, I don't think the sheriff did a very
good job from the beginning. I think that the crime
(21:21):
scene was turned over entirely too soon. I just think
that there were a lot of mistakes made. I think
that when people are saying, oh, you know, that's a rumor,
there really wasn't a lot of strife between THATBI local
law enforcement. I think that there was a lot of
you know, not wanting the FBI to be a part
of it so much. And I think that it's just
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been very difficult from the beginning for many of those reasons.
Do I think that she'll be found. I hope and
pray she will. It's absolutely tragic. It's heartbreaking. It's sad, unfortunately, Lisa.
People go missing every day, children go missing every day,
and you never even hear about it. You know, we
don't want to forget all of those other people that
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don't get as much media attention. But it is disappointing
because you want as an investigator, it's extremely disappointing because
you don't rest until justice is served. You don't rest
until the case is done and the case is closed.
And based on my understanding, is far from that at
this point. But at the same time, it only takes
one big break to crack the case. I know that
(22:23):
the FBI has been working tirelessly behind the scenes. I
wish that they'd been taken the lead from the beginning,
but again, that's a local jurisdiction case. The FBI can't
just go in and say, oh, you know what, we're
going to take charge. We're asked to help on those
types of investigations, and if they can find a federal nexus,
they do. But at this point, yeah, it's very it's tragic.
It's sad. My heart goes out to her family. Can
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you imagine that happening to your mother? I mean, and
on the national spotlight. I mean, it's heartbreaking. But at
the same time, I don't think the case was run
well from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What's try theory on White because my understanding, or at
least to our knowledge, I don't think anything was stolen.
And it's like she's an eighty four year old, you
know what I mean, Like and clearly there's not been
It doesn't seem like the ransom. You know, we don't
know how credible that was or not. But like, you know,
so It's like, if that was the goal, you'd think
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that they would try to obtain the money this point.
So it's like just take an old lady with health problems,
Like it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
No, I think there's more to it. I personally have
my own theories, but again without having access to the
case file, in the actual facts. It's always I'm very
careful to step out of turn, but I am allowed
to have my own opinions as well, just like everyone.
I've always believed it with someone close to her, in
her inner circle that knew her, that either her family
member or someone close to her that had been into
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that home many times would be my guess. Again, I
could be wrong, but I think that's the highest probability,
and based on these types of investigations, that's probably the
highest probability. Less likely that it was a stranger. I
don't think it was a Berkeley gone bad. That's just
not my theory on it. But again I don't have
access to all of the facts and information. The way
that the sheriff said, oh, you know, we are looking
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at the family. Oh we're not looking at the family.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
We are.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It was just like this back and forth. I mean,
it's just you don't even know what to believe anymore.
And that to me is extremely frustrating because there just
doesn't seem to have a lot of clarity on the
actual facts and what the truth actually is. But let's
hope and pray that behind the scenes, the investigators have
a much more clearer picture than we do. And again
that's normal a lot of times the FBI, we don't
(24:30):
give any information on our ongoing investigations. I would never
talk to the media about my cases. That just never happened.
So let's hope that they know more than what they're
telling us that. You know, people keep saying, oh, you know,
it was an amateur at the beginning, Oh this was
an amateur job. Well it's not much of an amateur
job because no one's in custody. So for as amateur
as it is, they're still on the loose, and sadly
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she has not been returned. And so, you know, we
can't give up hope, but.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We's or someone closer, because wouldn't they be the first
to be looked at, you know, so you think that
they would have been able to find that. I mean,
I agree with you, that makes the most sense but
you would just think that that would be the first
place they would look, and so it would be easier
to find that link or no.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
You would think.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But again, it's very confusing because he could flip flop
back and forth on that the family was cleared and.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I mean, there's just different things. Obviously we don't know
a motive because if we don't know the individual that
did this, But you're going to look at the financial
situations of everybody involved, will's who was set to inherit
the home things like that. Again, I'm not saying that
is exactly what happened in this instance. I always thought
as probably a family member or someone who was like
a home care worker, or someone who knew her pattern
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of life or knew that she had access to money
or had a daughter that had money. But again, who knows.
I would like to see personally. I would like to
see the phone things of those that had entered her home.
I want to know everyone that it entered her home
in the last six months prior to her going missing.
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I want to note the list of every single person.
I want every single person to be interviewed, and then
I want to see all of their communications, where their
phones were pinging, and all of that type of information
leading up to and after the offense. But again, I'm
not the investigator, so I can't ask for that information.
I'm sure that they've looked into that, but the fact
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that no one is in custody yet, you know, that's
not what you want as an investigator. So I promise
you that you may not be hearing about it on
the news every day because of Iran, but they're working
tirelessly behind the scenes on that as well. So again,
imagine the FBI, so they're trying to solve those types
of investigations as well as keeping everyone safe. I mean,
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they've got their hands full, and so we need to
remember and thank our law enforcement on every level for
what they're doing, and most of all, our military, our military,
our fallen heroes who paid ultimate sacrifice for our entry.
They are the true They're the true heroes in this
country and we can never ever forget them ever.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeay man, we'll end on that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No Cole Parker, author of The Tree, FBI's friend and colleague, Noicle,
thanks so much for coming on the show. Appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
My pleasure, and God bless You'll take care.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That was no Cole Parker. Appreciate her taking the time
to come on this show. Appreciate you guys at home
for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen
throughout the week. I also want to think John Cassio
and my producer for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Until next time.
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you.
With the ongoing war against Iran, national security experts are
sounding the alarm about retaliation right here at home, sleeper cells,
proxy attacks, or inspired alone actors targeting American soil and Americans.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So we've got Nicole Parker, former FBI.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Special agent, my colleague at Fox News and also the
author of two fbis, to talk about this, to ask
her about her experience in counter terrorism, how do we
prevent these things? What should you be looking out for.
This also hits close to home for her as a
Texan because just days ago, a gunman opened fire outside
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of Austin. A gunman opened fire outside of an Austin,
Texas bar, killing three. He wore a property of all
a sweatshirt as well as an Iranian flag, which is
leading investigators to believe that it was most likely a
terror attack. So we'll ask her about all of this
what you should know Stay tuned for Nicole Parker. Well, Nicole,
(01:10):
it's great to have you back on my friend. You know, obviously,
with everything that is happening and Iran in the Middle
East right now, we're worried about what could simultaneously be
happening here at home. We saw what very much looks
like a terror attack in Austin, Texas recently. He was
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not on anyone's radar. I mean, what kind of challenge
does that present authorities in the FBI moving forward, that
you could even have someone like, you know, this guy
in Texas who you know, no one's all coming, is
not even from Iran.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Right exactly. So, Lisa, you bring up a very important
point because in light of what's happening with Iran, the
FBI is obviously on high alert, and I think the
mood has really heightened up recently since you know, a
few days ago. But remember, starting in October seventh, Israel
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was attacked. That's really when the FBI started seeing a
huge influx. And even Christopher Ray, when he was the
FBI director prior to the Trump administration coming back, he
has divied before Congress and said, you know, all red
lights are flashing warnings, alert threats are at an all
time high. And so I think we're back in that
very elevated threat level right now. And so it's always
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been a challenge for the FBI to track what I
refer to as loan offenders.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Some people call them lone wolfs. I do not.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think that's giving them sort of an image that
they are some sort of hero when a wolf.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
They're actually loan offenders. They're loan cowards. And the individual
that was out in Austin, you know, early Sunday morning
and that awful shooting that occurred, that is something that
I believe was linked to terrorism. I know the FBI
is looking at it very closely, but it has all
the earmarks that would indicate such. He obviously had on
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a sweatshirt that said, you know, property of Allah. Underneath that,
he had on a shirt that indicated an iranium flag.
They executed search Warree at his home in Luggerville outside
of Austin, where they found an iranium flag. They found
photos of regime leaders at his home, and so it
appears to have a strong nexus to terrorism. But even
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looking at that, like you said, this individual is from Senegal.
Individuals do not have to be from Iran to have
issue with what's happening with Iran. A lot of these
loan offenders they look at opportunities, they're really opportunists, and
they see a moment where they can have notoriety and
fame and they think they're part of a bigger cause.
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And that's something that in the FBI we look very
closely at these loan offenders to see what drives them,
what is their grievance, what is it that motivates them,
what is the motivation behind doing what they do. So,
in looking at this specific investigation that again is still ongoing,
these individuals do tend to be the highest risk because
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they are typically the most difficult to detect.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
They are more.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Difficult to track, and this individual they will look into
determining when was he radicalized, how was he radicalized. A
lot of these people that are going to be acting up,
and I'm saying will be because I don't think that
this is the last time this will be happening. A
lot of times these are people that are sympathizers that
you know, just have sympathy towards the cause and do
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not agree with what the United States is doing in Iran.
So you've got that aspect of potential terrorism acts that
can happen. And again, Lisa, this can happen anywhere. It
can happen in Austin, it could happen in Iowa. It
could happen small town, big towns, large cities, you know,
anywhere could.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Be a target.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And that again is why it's very important for Americans
to be on high alert. Regardless of where you live,
regardless of how safe you think your community is. People
always think it's not going to happen here. It just
takes one person who decides to go out and do
something evil and then all of a sudden, your community
is the victim of a Hainus crime.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
You know, and we know that there were you know,
a record number of people in the terror watch list
trying to get into the country under Joe Biden, who
knows how many actually got into the United States. We
keep hearing about sleeper cells, like how do you categorize
a sleeper cell at the FBI, and like how do
you find those in distruction? Then how many do you
think are in the United States right now?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That would be impossible to know how many are in
the United States right now, because it's not that we
think that terrorists came into our country. We know that
terrorists came into our country when you have an open
border where literally people are welcomed in. Not only were
they just allowed and but once some of these individuals
came in, millions of people came in illegally into our country.
(06:04):
And then what did we do? We gave them all
of these amazing benefits, you know, more benefits than American
citizens get staying in fancy hotels in New York and
getting cell phones and credit cards. I mean, it was
absurd what happened. But that's a very, very huge concern
for the FBI and it has been since bided administration
because when you don't know who's coming into your country,
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you don't know what problem you have on your hands.
What we do know is that there were a lot
of military age men from adversarial nations that were coming
across the border.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That is a fact.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We do know that people were allowed into this country
that were on terror watchless, that's a fact. We don't
know how many. I know that there's people that you know,
we're working down near the border in the FBI at
the time that that was happening, and they would guess
that there were thousands of known or suspected terrorists or
intelligence linked associates that somehow just came into our country
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and disappeared. And it's kind of like playing the game
of hide and go see where are they now? They're
somewhere within our borders, and it's up to law enforcement
to track them down. And this is the time with
people that are members of these quote sleeper cells. You know,
they're quiet until all of a sudden they're not, and
there's something that triggers them and they're like, you know what,
now is the time that we're going to act, and
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you just don't ever know when that will be. The
FBI has certain investigative techniques which obviously we cannot reveal
in public settings, and certain information that's obviously classified that
you can't reveal. But there are ways that the FBI
can track certain things and indicate where these people are.
They keep a close eye on these individuals, but you
don't know what you don't know. You can't have people
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coming into your country completely unvetted. Now, think about how
ridiculous this is. After nine to eleven, the United States
spent billions, if not even more, on national security on
our homeland to avoid having something like that happen ever again,
only to just have that completely undone by allowing whoever
wanted you to come into our country. So it's very
(08:01):
frustrating to myself as a witness of nine to eleven.
I think you know this. I was working at Maryland
eyewitnessed to happen down there at the World Trade Center
and to think of how much progress our country made
only to go back in time and lose a lot
of that progress because of allowing these individuals in. We've
said it, but we are like sitting ducks in many ways.
(08:21):
And so when you have the conflict that's going on
with Iran right now, you have people within our nation
that you know, whenever they choose to act, they can,
and I hope that they don't. One thing that's very
different right now is we have the leadership of President Trump.
And one thing I know about President Trump is he
does not play. And if he says he's going to
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do something, he will. And if you touch your mess
with America, he will unleash the full wrath of our
military and every resource that we have against you. So
now would not be the time for someone to act
up in the United States and do a full force
terrorist attack. I personally do not believe it would be
something like nine to eleven. I think what law enforcement
(09:02):
intelligence believes is that it would be more likely these
one off loan offenders. But again we never know. We
do not know what could be planned or what could
be happening. But I think what they do know is
that we have leadership in place now that they're not
messing around. And I couldn't say that under the Bland administration.
I couldn't say that under the Obama administration either. In
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those administrations, they wouldn't even call terrorism out for what
it actually was. That's not the case anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Nicole
on the other side, what does the radicalization process look
like for some of these folks?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So it's different for different individuals, but one thing that
a lot of times they do look at or individuals
that are vulnerable, people that are looking to be a
part of a greater cause, that want to be something
bigger than themselves, that you know, are looking for a
sense of belonging and self worth.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
It can be very.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Different in different settings, but there are different ways that
they tend to find individuals. They tend to be younger,
and with social media platforms and different apps and things
that they can go into in systems where they can
literally track people to see who might be vulnerable, who
might be open to this, who might be sympathetic towards
people that they think are marginalized in society. Those tend
(10:24):
to be the individuals that are prime targets for radicalization.
But these various techniques. But I do think that technological
platforms can be so beneficial to society, but it can
also be used against you. I think that's how a
lot of this happens. People can be radicalized by people
from across the world here in the United States, and
again when we look at who's radicalized, you know, it
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could be someone who's from some of these adversarial nations
who come here, who that's their belief system because of
where they come from, or they could be US citizens
that just all of a sudden are sympathetic towards what's
happening in Iran and they don't think it's right and
they think, you know, so it runs the gamut as
far as who is a target for radicalization, but it
does tend to be you know a lot of times
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these individuals that are looking to be part of a
greater cause, a greater good, and you know, they think
that they're saving the world, when in reality they're getting
sucked into a vore tex of evil. I think also
we talk a lot about kinetic attacks. You know, that's
something that you know, the Loana funder attacks, the sleeper
cell types attacks, and nine to eleven type attacks, but
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we cannot underestimate what I think is even a bigger
risk are cyber attacks. Cyber attacks against our technological systems
or critical infrastructure. There's one thing that terrorists like to cause,
and its complete confusion and havoc and fear, and they
like to take control and if you can, you know,
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destabilize societies, taking out power grid systems, water systems, even
the nine to one to one dispatch pullings system. I
talk to my colleagues a lot, and maybe I shouldn't
talk about it, but that would, in my opinion, be
something that they would target first, because that's where you're
going to call when you're in chaos?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Is nine to one one? How hard is it to
do that? How capable is iron? Do we know? I?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well, I'm not going to give a ron too much credit.
I mean, they're not whatever they're capable of, We're stronger,
That's all I'm going to say. And I'm just going
to leave it at that Okay, we've got more capabilities
than anybody in the world, and to protect our nation,
we have the ability to protect and test me worth
warning these types of plots every day and Americans you
(12:37):
don't hear about it, but these things are getting stopped
all the time. And so I just think, you know,
we're always thinking of like you know, nine to eleven
for those of us that we're alive during that era,
But it could be something much different where you don't
have to have boots on the ground to do some
sort of cyber attack in attacking our critical infrastructure. So again,
(13:02):
there's different things that they could do. I think one
thing that I've also learned is a lot of times
that comes when you're least expecting it. A lot of
times when you're expecting it and everyone's on alert, they
know better than to act out at that time. It
can happen to just the most random moments. But again,
depending on the type of attack that they're looking at doing,
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whether it's there a loan of funder or cyber attack
or technological attack, obviously there's different motives for each, but
it all comes back to the same same thing. When
you're in the FBI, you take an oath to support
and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
And that is what the FBI is doing right now.
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You know, and I know that under the Biden administration,
the FBI had kind of lost its way. They were
focused on quote unquote domestic terrorism from January sixth and
all of that nonsense. And now there's no time for that.
They've completely cut that out. They're doing their real work.
They have all their energy and resources focused towards the
real threats and national health. Americans have greater peace that
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we're in a much better situation than we were a
year and a half ago under the Biden administration, because
now you have law enforcement agencies that are actually focused,
ready to go. The Joint Terrorism Task Forces. I'm sure
you're familiar with that. The jttfs. These are agencies that
consist of federal agencies, state.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Local, and they work together in tandem.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Because think about it, Lisa, Let's say the community of Miami.
The local police know more about Miami than the FBI.
That's their jurisdiction. Let's say in Miami Beach. So what
they do is they work together very very closely in
stopping all of these potential threats and so the FBI's
resources the DHS. And that's another point I want to
(14:51):
make right now is the time for DHS to be
fully funded because they need the full support and they
need to be getting paid while they're effected to work
at the highest levels to protect our nation. And so
DHS was formulated after nine to eleven, and right now
they're not even getting full funding. That's unacceptable out of
time when we're at the highest level of threat. They
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need to be making sure that they're getting full funding.
So between FBI, DHS, all of our other law enforcement agencies,
with our jttfs, they're working around the clock. And I
can just say, for example, in South Florida, the local
police they're putting out more officers onto the streets in
light of what's happening with Iran as well. So it's
(15:33):
not just the FBI, it's also your local law enforcement
all hands on deck. Everyone has to be aware of
what's happening, and they're stopping threats as well. It's starting
from your local jurisdictions all the way up to the
federal JURISDICTIONSQUET.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Just want you to know that twice now in the podcast,
you've read my mind, because I was going to ask
you about cyber and then you peremptively went there without
me even having to act. And that was also going
to ask you about the FBI, because I know that
you expressed your frustration and even wrote the book about it,
about your frustration with how the FBI was focused on
finding a grandmother that spent two seconds in the capitol
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instead of like terrorists. And you know, so I was
going to ask you about that too, and then you
you preempted me as well.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Oh great minds sink alike. Right, But I mean it's
true because it's frustrating to think what waste of resources
they were putting towards things that didn't matter, and now
that we're dealing with the true threats, it's not you know,
it's like, I mean, look at what cash Metel has
been tasked with. He just basically walked into a disaster zone. Here.
By the way, cash Ptel, can you fix the FBI
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and what happened and what went wrong for basically the
last ten years. Oh and by the way, you're dealing
with the highest threat levels ever, so can you just
take care of all of that. He's dealing with a lot.
I can tell you he's working around the clock, and
agents are working around the clock. The violent crime numbers
and are the lowest that they've been in our nation
in a very long time. He's I mean, they are
(16:57):
working tirelessly, and so I refer to them as the
I one, the good solid FBI that I loved. They're
stepping up to the line and Americans can trust that
they are working hard to keep you safe. That's their
job is to keep the homeland safe. And along with
the Department of Homely and Security HSI, all of those
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different investigative agencies, they're working hard. But we cannot forget
about that open border. No one can be naive to
think what happened if we all think that there were
just sweet people that you know, we're crossing our border
for a better life. Look, there were a lot of
people crossing for a better life, but that is not
not everybody that was crossing has well intentioned. You know,
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they're not all well intentioned here in the United States.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And we know that.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And if you don't believe that, you're grossly naive. So
all hands on deck. Everyone's got to be aware. But
the thing too, also, Lisa and again never live in fear,
but be aware. You know that bar is setting in Boston,
so the bar sitting in Austin. What happens is a
lot of times, these individuals, they pick soft targets right
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where people your alert level is lower. Right, you're at
a bar, you're having fun, it's a club, it's two am.
Everyone's kind of drinking and listening to music, and you're
having fun, which you should have fun. But at the
same time, right now, be aware and be aware of
your surroundings, be aware, be able to move quickly at quickly.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
If you see something, you've got to say something.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I mean there's just that fine balance, right because
do not stop living your life, do not live in fear,
but also be smart and responsible and be aware and
be vigilant and keep your head on a swivel. The
soft targets tend to be, you know, places where there
just isn't a lot of security and large groups, large
outdoor groups, entertainment things, sporting events. You know, we've seen
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it happen at these most random places. The Boston Marathon,
of all places, well, that's a very soft target. There's
no security to get in and out of the Boston
marathon and you're these are runners and just fun twenty
six mild. They're exhausted, they're vulnerable. Right, So again, entertainment facilities, concerts.
This is one thing that a lot of myself, me
and my colleagues from the FBI, I've been talking or
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former colleagues that in our opinion, that's really where we
think these types of things might happen, probably at places
that aren't a secure don't have as much security, don't
have the metal detectors.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Things like that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
If you hear shots like that, I mean, like, what
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
How do you react to it?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So, if you hear shots fired anywhere, ever, the theory
and the platform that we have always taught run, hide, fight.
So let's say you're at you at a party, you're
at wherever, a bar, and you start hearing shots. The
first thing you do is you do your best to
run away from wherever you hear the gunfire coming from.
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If you are not in a position where you can run,
and it's inside the club and you cannot get out,
then the next thing you do is you take cover.
You hide, You hide behind anything that's protective, cover, cement,
things like that, get away and barricade, whatever furniture you
can find, chairs, whatever you can do to protect some
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level of cover for yourself. If you're in a position
where you cannot run, you cannot hide, then you fight
with everything you have and you try to take them
down and that's your last resort, but it's the most
important one, and you literally fight for your life. So again,
always remember run, hide, fight, and that's what we.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Teach quick break.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
If you like what you're hearing, please share on social media,
send it to your family and friends, you know, And
before we go, why do you think they haven't found
Nancy Guthrie. I don't even know how long been play
some time now, Yeah, it's been a mind obviously with
the war, it's you know, the focus has shifted. But why,
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you know you would think that they would fight her
by now, I mean, is that an unreasonable expectation or
why has it taken so long? In your opinion?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You know, I'm always careful to not criticize, but I'm
also very honest. I think it was a very poorly
run investigation from the beginning. I think there were many
missteps from the beginning. I think that the Sheriff's office,
maybe not the rank and file, and I'm just going
to say, I don't think the sheriff did a very
good job from the beginning. I think that the crime
(21:21):
scene was turned over entirely too soon. I just think
that there were a lot of mistakes made. I think
that when people are saying, oh, you know, that's a rumor,
there really wasn't a lot of strife between THATBI local
law enforcement. I think that there was a lot of
you know, not wanting the FBI to be a part
of it so much. And I think that it's just
(21:42):
been very difficult from the beginning for many of those reasons.
Do I think that she'll be found. I hope and
pray she will. It's absolutely tragic. It's heartbreaking. It's sad, unfortunately, Lisa.
People go missing every day, children go missing every day,
and you never even hear about it. You know, we
don't want to forget all of those other people that
(22:02):
don't get as much media attention. But it is disappointing
because you want as an investigator, it's extremely disappointing because
you don't rest until justice is served. You don't rest
until the case is done and the case is closed.
And based on my understanding, is far from that at
this point. But at the same time, it only takes
one big break to crack the case. I know that
(22:23):
the FBI has been working tirelessly behind the scenes. I
wish that they'd been taken the lead from the beginning,
but again, that's a local jurisdiction case. The FBI can't
just go in and say, oh, you know what, we're
going to take charge. We're asked to help on those
types of investigations, and if they can find a federal nexus,
they do. But at this point, yeah, it's very it's tragic.
It's sad. My heart goes out to her family. Can
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you imagine that happening to your mother? I mean, and
on the national spotlight. I mean, it's heartbreaking. But at
the same time, I don't think the case was run
well from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What's try theory on White because my understanding, or at
least to our knowledge, I don't think anything was stolen.
And it's like she's an eighty four year old, you
know what I mean, Like and clearly there's not been
It doesn't seem like the ransom. You know, we don't
know how credible that was or not. But like, you know,
so It's like, if that was the goal, you'd think
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that they would try to obtain the money this point.
So it's like just take an old lady with health problems,
Like it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
No, I think there's more to it. I personally have
my own theories, but again without having access to the
case file, in the actual facts. It's always I'm very
careful to step out of turn, but I am allowed
to have my own opinions as well, just like everyone.
I've always believed it with someone close to her, in
her inner circle that knew her, that either her family
member or someone close to her that had been into
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that home many times would be my guess. Again, I
could be wrong, but I think that's the highest probability,
and based on these types of investigations, that's probably the
highest probability. Less likely that it was a stranger. I
don't think it was a Berkeley gone bad. That's just
not my theory on it. But again I don't have
access to all of the facts and information. The way
that the sheriff said, oh, you know, we are looking
(24:07):
at the family. Oh we're not looking at the family.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
We are.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It was just like this back and forth. I mean,
it's just you don't even know what to believe anymore.
And that to me is extremely frustrating because there just
doesn't seem to have a lot of clarity on the
actual facts and what the truth actually is. But let's
hope and pray that behind the scenes, the investigators have
a much more clearer picture than we do. And again
that's normal a lot of times the FBI, we don't
(24:30):
give any information on our ongoing investigations. I would never
talk to the media about my cases. That just never happened.
So let's hope that they know more than what they're
telling us that. You know, people keep saying, oh, you know,
it was an amateur at the beginning, Oh this was
an amateur job. Well it's not much of an amateur
job because no one's in custody. So for as amateur
as it is, they're still on the loose, and sadly
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she has not been returned. And so, you know, we
can't give up hope, but.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
We's or someone closer, because wouldn't they be the first
to be looked at, you know, so you think that
they would have been able to find that. I mean,
I agree with you, that makes the most sense but
you would just think that that would be the first
place they would look, and so it would be easier
to find that link or no.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
You would think.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But again, it's very confusing because he could flip flop
back and forth on that the family was cleared and.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I mean, there's just different things. Obviously we don't know
a motive because if we don't know the individual that
did this, But you're going to look at the financial
situations of everybody involved, will's who was set to inherit
the home things like that. Again, I'm not saying that
is exactly what happened in this instance. I always thought
as probably a family member or someone who was like
a home care worker, or someone who knew her pattern
(25:43):
of life or knew that she had access to money
or had a daughter that had money. But again, who knows.
I would like to see personally. I would like to
see the phone things of those that had entered her home.
I want to know everyone that it entered her home
in the last six months prior to her going missing.
(26:03):
I want to note the list of every single person.
I want every single person to be interviewed, and then
I want to see all of their communications, where their
phones were pinging, and all of that type of information
leading up to and after the offense. But again, I'm
not the investigator, so I can't ask for that information.
I'm sure that they've looked into that, but the fact
(26:24):
that no one is in custody yet, you know, that's
not what you want as an investigator. So I promise
you that you may not be hearing about it on
the news every day because of Iran, but they're working
tirelessly behind the scenes on that as well. So again,
imagine the FBI, so they're trying to solve those types
of investigations as well as keeping everyone safe. I mean,
(26:47):
they've got their hands full, and so we need to
remember and thank our law enforcement on every level for
what they're doing, and most of all, our military, our military,
our fallen heroes who paid ultimate sacrifice for our entry.
They are the true They're the true heroes in this
country and we can never ever forget them ever.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeay man, we'll end on that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No Cole Parker, author of The Tree, FBI's friend and colleague, Noicle,
thanks so much for coming on the show. Appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
My pleasure, and God bless You'll take care.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That was no Cole Parker. Appreciate her taking the time
to come on this show. Appreciate you guys at home
for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen
throughout the week. I also want to think John Cassio
and my producer for putting the show together.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Until next time.
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