In this episode, bestselling investigative journalist Peter Schweizer joins Lisa to expose the shocking revelations from his new book The Invisible Coup: How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon.
Schweizer reveals how mass immigration has been deliberately transformed from a humanitarian issue into a strategic political tool — one wielded by American elites, foreign governments, activist NGOs, and powerful institutions to reshape elections, demographics, culture, and governance in the United States.
Far from accidental policy failure, this “invisible coup” is a calculated long-term power play. Peter breaks down the coordinated influence campaigns operating behind the scenes, the role of foreign actors in shaping U.S. policy debates, and how educational institutions and NGOs have helped manufacture public consent for policies that benefit the powerful at the expense of everyday Americans.
This eye-opening conversation pulls back the curtain on weaponized immigration and explains why it poses one of the greatest challenges to America’s future sovereignty and national identity.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
- How immigration became a tool for political and demographic engineering
- The foreign interests and governments actively shaping U.S. immigration policy
- The hidden role of NGOs, activist networks, and educational institutions in influencing public opinion
- Why The Invisible Coup argues this strategy is deliberate — not accidental or incompetent
- What informed citizens can do to understand the tactics and push back effectively
If you want to understand the real forces driving the border crisis, demographic shifts, and political polarization in America today, this is an episode you cannot miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, who'll get to
the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're exposing the hidden forces reshaping in America through weaponized
mass migration. Joining me for it is investigative Powerhouse Peter Schweizer.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know him.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
He's the number one best selling author and he's the
author of the new explosive book, The Invisible Coup. We're
going to talk about Mexico's shadow election interference, how China
exploits through visa process, and how some of these cartels
form alliances with progressives. This is also all timely as
we see what's going down in places like Minneapolis and
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around the country with these anti ice forces and also
democrats protecting the deportation of child predators and murderers and
terrible people. So Peter's revelations uncover this plot that's eroding
our sovereignty. Trust me, you're not going to want to
miss this conversation. Peter's always a wealth of knowledge and
this is extremely interesting, So stay tuned for Peter Schweizer. Well, Peter,
(01:04):
it's always great to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
On the show. I'm really interested in hearing more about
this new book, Invisible coup.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's very timely considering what we're seeing in Minneapolis and
around the country with these attacks on ice and the
left and the media for some reason or another deciding
to protect pedophiles and rapists and child predators from deportation.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
So thank you for coming on the show. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, always great to be with you, Lisa, Thanks for
having me. Yeah, it's a crazy time.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Before we dig into the books specifically, why do you
think or maybe you know, I mean this probably parlays
us into the book, but why do you think the
left are so protective of these criminal legal aliens, Because
if we're just about like the mom or the kid,
then they wouldn't be fighting for a kilmore Abrego Garcia
or for some of these child rapists and predators from deportation.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So what is it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, it's a couple of things, Lisa. For the left
in general and for big elements of the Democratic Party,
migrants are absolutely a crucial base of their political power.
So what do I mean by that? Well, there's the
obvious one, which is those that are voting. And one
of the things I point out in the book is
that the Democrats really discovered under Bill Clint in the
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nineteen nineties that if you could mint a lot of
new citizens, especially if you cast a side criminal background checks,
which they've done when they're in power, cast aside of
the literacy requirements, cast aside the language requirements, and you
mint new voters. Democrats discover that eighty to eighty five
percent of them vote Democratic. Now that evens out over
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time future generations the split is more fifty to fifty.
But the point is this is a huge voting block
for twenty years basically for an entire generation. So they
need it for votes, but they also need it for
political power in other ways. So the way that we
calculate the census in the United States is based on
count people, not counting citizens. So if you have, you know,
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twenty percent of your population or illegal migrants, that counts
to how many congressional seats you're going to get, how
much you're going to get in the electoral college. It
also determines how much you're going to get in federal
block grants for everything from welfare to transportation, et cetera.
So what numbers are we talking about. Well, if you
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look at just the illegals in California, they account for
four congressional seats. California has four more congressional seats because
of illegals in that state. To put that in relief,
that's more than the congressional the size of the congressional
degradation of thirteen states in our country. So this is
a hugely important basis for a political power. The other
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thing I would add is, and I quote people extensively
saying this in the book, progressives believe with good evidence
that migrants tend to be pretty far left of center
compared to the app average American. There are obviously exceptions
to that, but generally speaking, they tend to be left
of center, and progressives push them not to assimilate, not
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to embrace the American dream, because they see them as
a transformative power. So ultimately, I would say, this is
not about a humanitarian gesture. It's not caring about the people.
It's about raw political power. And they realize that if
a migrant self deport, or if they deport in large numbers,
is going to have a catastrophic effect on their hold
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on political power.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And we're seeing that for the forecast for the two
thousand and thirty census, and what a portion meant would
mean for the electoral college and for the congressional breakdown
as well as you're laying out too. So basically, in essence,
they see these individuals as people they can control.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, they do. And what I think is important here
is that it's not just these domestic forces that see
the c migrants is a political weapon. It's actually foreign elites.
So you have foreign elites like the government of Mexico,
like the government of China, like the Muslim Brotherhood, who
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have their other agendas. But there's kind of a confluence
of interests. So let me just if I could Lisa
read briefly two quotes from senior Mexican officials that I
think explain how Mexico views mass migration. The first one
is from a December twenty twenty four government report Mexican
Government by a top age to Shinebaum, and she wrote, quote,
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we already know that the Mexican population in the United
States reaches thirty nine point nine million. We Mexicans are
reclaiming our territory. Or this quote from one of the
most powerful senators in Mexico. He sits on the National
Defense Committee, which is the most important committee. He's a
member of the Marina Party, which is the ruling party.
He said just a couple of years ago, quote, Mexicans
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are in our territories California, Nevada, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado,
and Wyoming. We're going to take back the territory that
was stolen from us. I could read you dozens of
quotes like that. I have them in the book. That
is how Mexico's elite views mass migration, and there are
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things they've steps they've taken to project Mexico's sovereignty into
the United States. So when you get foreign actors like
Mexico and China that view immigration through that lens, and
you get domestic elites in the United States, like progressives
and star warts of the Democratic Party sayings is good
for our politics, you get a perfect storm of mass
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migration as a political weapon. And that is what we're
dealing with in the country today.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So are our elites, are our leaders in this country
aware of or foreign adversaries plans of this or or
is it just purely selfish political reasons that they're going
along with it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know, that's a great question, Lisa. It's hard to know.
What people are thinking. They certainly don't give an indication
that they do, but on the other hand, they don't
do anything to stop it. So you know, one example
would be Shine with their policy of exploiting birthright citizenship.
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This is an issue the Supreme Court is going to
be taking up. And the argument for in favor of
birthright citizenship is, if you happen to be in the
United States give birth to a child, that child is
automatically granted US citizenship. And our federal government has no idea,
zero idea how many citizens have been created that way,
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because you think about it, when you have a birth
certificate for your child that doesn't list the nationality of
the parents, it's not in some kind of federal database.
So the question is how big is the scale, And
the scale for China is incredibly high. The Chinese government
has looked at this. That government has encouraged Chinese elites
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to do this over the last twelve to thirteen years.
By their estimate, every single year over the last years
thirteen years, one hundred thousand Chinese have done this every year.
So what they're doing it's called birth tourism. They fly
into the United States, they give birth to their child,
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they fly back to China child, the child is raised
in China in government schools. Their parents are part of
the elite. So there is this, in a sense, army
of one million quote unquote American citizens being raised in
China right now, and when they turn eighteen, they're going
to be able to vote, they're going to be able
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to donate to political campaigns, they're going to be able
to take government jobs. And the Obama administration actually perpetuated
this problem by simplifying the visa process and telling customs
and border patrol if a woman comes from China and
she's pragned, don't ask her any questions about whether she's
having a medical procedure here, whether she's giving birth. So
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they clearly have done things to streamline the things that
our foreign advisors that are doing. Whether they're doing that
because they're completely naive and ignorant, or whether they're doing
it because they're complicit and they know what the motives are,
I don't know, but either way, it's it's horrible for
the country.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well in China, probably more so than maybe any other country,
really plans for the future in a very methodical way.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Would you say that's accurate statement.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah one, you know, they on this birthright citizenship. It's
really ingenious if you think about it. Beginning in twenty eleven,
they started running articles in the People's Daily, which is
the CCP's main newspaper, telling think about this, telling elites
in China, you have a constitutional right if your child
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is born in America for your child to have US citizenship.
And so why would a foreign advisarial country push that idea?
I think because they would view it as to their
political advantage. And so there's this big industry in China
that arranges this for members of the Chinese elite. And
we know just based on their strategic planning and on
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their cultural outlook on RULD affairs, they do tend to
think long or at least medium term, and this is
something that they tried to do in Hong Kong in
the early two thousands. The government of Hong Kong shut
it down said no birthright citizenship for Chinese nationals. So
it is a strategy that fits very well with their
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cultural approach in contrast to Mexico's approach, which is less
systematic but has its own ambitions and its own form
of weaponization in our country. As well.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Peter
on the other side. You know, So, I guess we
look right now as a country and you look at
divisions taking place and sort of like the anti western mentality.
How much of this do you think is due to
the mass immigration we've seen over the past decades.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I think what we see a lot of chaos in
our streets because of weaponized immigration. And I think some
of the even some of the corruption stories that are
coming out the Somali corruption. People want to say, well,
you know, they're from Somalia, they're from this you know, corrupt.
It's one of the most correct countries in the world.
This is just sort of a cultural thing, and certainly
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that's part of it. But when you look at what
these political networks in the United States are doing, they're
encouraging and perpetuating this destructive behavior. So, for example, you
have a Mom's Muslim preachers in the United States. They're
here on on religious visas. They're not Americans, but they're
running some of the biggest mosques in America, and what
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they actually says is that they encourage Muslim believers to
engage in fraud of public assistance because they say its
attacks are non Muslims attacks that non Muslims should be
paying to Muslims. So they actually give sort of religious backing.
I'm not saying that all moms preach this, they certainly don't,
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but there's a sizable number that do. So this is
organized and intentional as a weapon to be used. You
look at the Los Angeles rights that we had last year.
What's going on in Minneapolis now? As I highlight in
the book, you have foreign government officials from Mexico who
live inside the United States who are actively fanning the
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flames for violent protests and in some cases organizing them.
You've got a guy named Alejandro Roblaze who I talked
about in the book. He lives in Ontario, California, outside
of la but he also sits in the Mexican Congress,
their Chamber of Deputies. In twenty twenty five, he was
bragging to his colleague in Mexico that he was, you know,
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visiting in going across the United States and meeting with
radicals to quote organize the militancy inside the United States.
That those were his exact words. He met with Antifa
related groups about forming common cause. When the riots broke
out in Los Angeles. You had other Mexican officials who
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were cheering it on and said, we're part of the
permanent resistance to Trump. So this is organized, This is intentional.
This is not just random stuff that unfortunately happens. It
is intentional, and it is weaponized immigration. And we need
to start realizing. It's great to have a national debate
about how immigration affects our economy and affects, you know,
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a crime on our streets, but we've got to realize
people that have come here have brought these political networks
with them, these radical political networks that want to undermine
our country, and that is effectively what they're trying to
do right now.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, and we also saw this with as you pointed out,
the Minnesota fraud and money going overseas to terrorist groups,
or at least that's been the allegation and some reporting
that's been done on that, which it's like, well, we
letting people who have those ties into the country.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yes, And I would note, by the way, Lisa, also
in Minneapolis, Mexico has a network in the United States
of fifty three consulates, which, just to put that into perspective,
the United Kingdom and China have six and seven consulates,
Mexico has fifty three. One of those is in Saint Paul, Minnesota,
and they have worked with groups like Clues and Mirac
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that are at ground zero for a lot of these
anti ice protests, and we've seen that with other consular
officials elsewhere. So there is a pattern of behavior here,
and I think we need to look at shutting down consulates.
When you look at expelling Mexican diplomats that are engaging
in this kind of behavior, some of them are also
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getting involved in our domestic elections inside the United States,
which diplomats are certainly not supposed to be doing. But
we need to focus on this and realize this is
not sort of a series of random events. This is
organized and being encouraged by foreign powers.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
What role do NGOs play and all of this.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
A very very important component to this. Some of the
NGOs are domestic groups that are funded by people like
Bill Gates and George Sorows, and these NGOs will say
explicitly that their purpose for supporting migration in the United
States is that it has a quote transformative effect on
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our country. In other words, they want migrants to come
here to change the country because they view the country
as fundamentally flawed, so they play an important role there.
The other institutions I would look at as some of
the religious groups, Catholic charities and also Lutheran charities, and
particularly the Catholic Church under the previous Pope Francis, where
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they've wholly embraced the message of open borders to the
extent that it was an element of liberation theology, this
strain of theology that the Gospel's really achieved through Marxism Leninism,
not through a personal relationship with God, and that of
course has played an important and powerful role here. So
(16:27):
there are lots of adversarial institutions foreign powers also inngos
that see mass migration ultimately, not through the lens of
helping individual people. They say it through the lens of
a transformative political movement that can reorient the United States
in the direction they want it to go, not that
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we're supposed to have any say in it, but of
course we did have a say in that in the
twenty twenty four election. And that's why I think you're
seeing so much resistance in the streets, because this fundamentally
goes to this core of progressive power in the United States.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So how much of it is about money for even
these Catholic NGOs, because they get.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
A lot of money out of this as well, right
they do.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, at least there's no question there is a motivation there.
Catholic charities saw there. You know, when Joe Biden opened
the borders, you saw Catholic charities federal grant money increased
by tenfold, ten times as a result. So money is
certainly a factor here, But I think it's more than
that because they tell us it's more than that. And yes,
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they do say it's because they care about people, and okay,
we can take them at face value, I guess on that,
but they also tell us this has a political component.
The sanctuary movement. You know, we've got sanctuary cities and
sanctuary states. We've even got sanctuary labor unions. If you
look at the history the sanctuary movement of the United States,
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beginning in the nineteen eighties, the founders of that movement
were very, very explicit. They saw the sanctuary movement as
a means by which you could institute radical change in
the country. And they even said when refugees are coming
from Latin America, They particularly were focused on helping those
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that were part of radical Marxist movement. So if you
came into the United States illegally and you said I
worked with the FMLN, which is the Marxist movement in
El Salvador, they would take you in and give you
exactly what you want. If you came in and said, well,
I was a secretary working for the Salvadoran government, they
wouldn't help you. This is what the leaders of that
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move would tell you. That approach still continues to exist.
So the goal here is not humanitarian. Ultimately, it's revolutionary,
and that's what they tell us. And I think that's
what we have to not be naive about, you.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Know, And what role does azz all have on in
our education system, because obviously we are importing people who
hit our country and want to transform it. We've even
given refugee status to people at Golan Omar who speaks
ill of America and you know, basically hates being here
and hates it, but yet you know, won't leave back
to her home country. But you know, but then these
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people become educators or you know, and then they taint
you know, American born kids as well. So I guess
you know, talk about sort of you know, the poisoning
of the well that happens with all of this.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, at least it really starts in our elementary schools.
And think about this for a minute. So you have,
you know, tens of millions of people in the United
States illegally that came across the border. Many of them
bring children. Those children are enrolled in public schools from
Los Angeles to Orlando. They don't speak or read English.
So the Mexican Consulate, out of the kindness of their heart,
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I'm seeing this with irony, donates every year more than
a million Mexican textbooks to school districts in the United
States to educate these migrant children, to give them their textbooks.
The problem is, when you look at these textbooks, they're
even far worse than some of the worst American textbooks.
They view the United States as an enemy power, as
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an occupying power. They have a totally different view of
the US Mexican War in the nineteenth century. They have
a totally different view of race relations in the United States.
Not positive, I would say. So it begins with this
kind of notion that we're allowing Mexico to educate millions
of kids inside the United States. And by the way,
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the people that run this program in Mexico describe it
as an effort to create quote greater Mexico. In other words,
we're going to be extending our ideas and our sovereignty
into the United States. So it begins at the earliest level.
But you have the added problem that you've talked about
that there are a lot of students that come here,
particularly of groups like the Muslim Students Association, which were
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related to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is linked to terrorist activity.
These groups are on our college campuses, and their goal
here is not to assimilate. In fact, if you do assimilate,
they will attack you. They will go after you. If
I could just let me read to quotes, because again
it's important to know this is not just me saying this.
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Two quotes from officials with care, which is the you know,
the Council for American Islamic Relations, one of the biggest
Islamic groups in the country. The first one is from
the Florida director in twenty twenty five. He says, quote,
how do we even justify living here? I mean, why
are we living here? Have we asked ourselves this question,
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why are we living in the United States? The only
answer I believe is excusable and justifiable is if we
are living here to shift this country's political direction and
spiritual direction together. Or this other one from a member
of the Board of Directors of Care he says, quote, Ultimately,
we can never be full citizens of this country because
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there is no way we can be fully committed to
the institutions of this country. It can be citizens in
the sete that we try to influence American policy. So
they do not want assimilation. They do not want people
to embrace the American dream. Their message and their push
is for people in the United States that come here
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as migrants, as immigrants is to operate as a resistance
to assimilation and forward their revolutionary goals inside the United States.
It's a huge, huge problem and against evidence of the
what I call the weaponization of immigration.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Quick Briggs, stay with us.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
If you like what you're hearing, please you're in social
media or send it to your family and friends. I mean, obviously,
you know we close the borders, as presidential worked towards
and has done so successfully.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But what do we do about it?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean, we've got a lot of these people in
the country who hate America, who don't want to assimilate it.
As you pointed out, I guess what's the path forward?
How do we save the country?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, I think sealing the border was key, but again,
it does nothing to deal with the political networks operating
in our country. I think those need to be dismantled
and they need to be undermined. So with Mexico, that
means closing a lot of consulates, kicking a lot of
these diplomats out of the country. I also don't quite
understand where we're allowing Mexico to have all these elected
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officials living in the United States, basically encroaching on our
sovereignty and treating Mexicans in the United States as an
extension of the Mexican government. So that I think would
be the first start. The other thing we need to
do is look at how China is exploiting our immigration system.
The birthright citizenship case, people need to understand, and I
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think this is going to be argued before the Supreme
Court based on the evidence in the book that birthright
citizenship is not just sort of a random thing that happens.
There is an industrial scale model that China is embracing
and the notion that you can literally fly into the
United States, give birth to a child, and then when
the child is ready to get on an airplane, just
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fly back to China, raise them in China for eighteen
years then and they are still US citizens. I don't
think anybody would envision that that is related to the
fourteenth Amendments. So we need to deal with that issue.
There are a series of other things that I've highlighted
in the book. Right now, we are training in the
United States thousands of Chinese pilots. They're going to be
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flying for the Chinese Air Force, squaring off against US.
They're at flight schools. Remember we had this problem before
nine to eleven. The nine to eleven terrorists were in
US flight schools. We banned people from terrorists sponsoring countries
from going to our flight schools. We need to ban
Chinese nationals from our flight schools. Why should our pilots
be squaring off against a future conflict with a Chinese
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pilot that was trained in the United States. There are
some very specific things that we can do to deal
with these issues, but we have to focus on it.
We have to recognize the issue for what it is.
It's not just immigration, it's weaponized immigration, and we have
to take bold action, and I'm confident we're going to
see some movement on that, at least in some of
these areas. The key thing is awareness and changing our
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mindset on these issues.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Do you think that Trump administration is aware of all this?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So I've had meetings with senior Trump officials at the
cabinet level. I've also had meetings on Capitol Hill with
several US Senators. They are all going to be hearings
on Capitol Hill, and I expect we're going to see
some movements from the Trump administration on some of these areas.
So I'm optimistic. But look, part of it is maintaining
focus and attention on these issues. There's so much stuff
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that's happening in the world right now that these leaders
are dealing with, So they need to know that this
is a priority for the American people, and we need
to keep the center of their mind. The national security
implications of this, the immediacy of other issues Venezuela, etc.
I recognize that it's there, but in terms of scale
and threat, I would argue these issues are a much
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larger fundamental threat down the road than these issues that
are popping up right now.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
And then before we go. Is there anything else you
want to get in about the book?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, I think you know what I try to do
with all my books, Lisa, is let the information speak
for itself. So what you're going to see in this
book is Mexican officials, Chinese officials, Muslim Brotherhood leaders talking
about how they view immigration as a weapon. So this
is not theorizing. And I tell people also a lot
of the feedback I've gotten from the book, it's been tremendous.
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It's been the number one book of all books sold
on Amazon for the last nine days, so the response
has been overwhelming. But sometimes people get so discouraged they say,
oh man, the problems are so big you cannot get immobilized.
The beginning of dealing with these problems is recognizing what
they are. So please read the book. If you read
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the book, don't get angry, frustrated, and discouraged. Let it
spur you to action. Letting your elected officials know that
you care about these issues and making them aware of it.
That's I think really the key.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's a great message.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Peter Schweizer always a wealth of information, The Invisible Coup,
how American elites and foreign powers use immigration as a weapon,
and it's out now. Peter, congrats already on the success
of the book. As you pointed out, always love having
you on, would love to have you back on soon,
and congrats on the success of the book.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I always looking forward to talking to you. Lisa,
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Peter, have a great day it was, Peter Schweizer.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the
show and talk about his new book, The Invisible Coup.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week. I also want
to make my producer, John Cassio, for putting the show together.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Until next time.
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, who'll get to
the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we're exposing the hidden forces reshaping in America through weaponized
mass migration. Joining me for it is investigative Powerhouse Peter Schweizer.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know him.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
He's the number one best selling author and he's the
author of the new explosive book, The Invisible Coup. We're
going to talk about Mexico's shadow election interference, how China
exploits through visa process, and how some of these cartels
form alliances with progressives. This is also all timely as
we see what's going down in places like Minneapolis and
(00:35):
around the country with these anti ice forces and also
democrats protecting the deportation of child predators and murderers and
terrible people. So Peter's revelations uncover this plot that's eroding
our sovereignty. Trust me, you're not going to want to
miss this conversation. Peter's always a wealth of knowledge and
this is extremely interesting, So stay tuned for Peter Schweizer. Well, Peter,
(01:04):
it's always great to have you.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
On the show. I'm really interested in hearing more about
this new book, Invisible coup.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's very timely considering what we're seeing in Minneapolis and
around the country with these attacks on ice and the
left and the media for some reason or another deciding
to protect pedophiles and rapists and child predators from deportation.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
So thank you for coming on the show. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, always great to be with you, Lisa, Thanks for
having me. Yeah, it's a crazy time.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Before we dig into the books specifically, why do you
think or maybe you know, I mean this probably parlays
us into the book, but why do you think the
left are so protective of these criminal legal aliens, Because
if we're just about like the mom or the kid,
then they wouldn't be fighting for a kilmore Abrego Garcia
or for some of these child rapists and predators from deportation.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So what is it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, it's a couple of things, Lisa. For the left
in general and for big elements of the Democratic Party,
migrants are absolutely a crucial base of their political power.
So what do I mean by that? Well, there's the
obvious one, which is those that are voting. And one
of the things I point out in the book is
that the Democrats really discovered under Bill Clint in the
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nineteen nineties that if you could mint a lot of
new citizens, especially if you cast a side criminal background checks,
which they've done when they're in power, cast aside of
the literacy requirements, cast aside the language requirements, and you
mint new voters. Democrats discover that eighty to eighty five
percent of them vote Democratic. Now that evens out over
(02:40):
time future generations the split is more fifty to fifty.
But the point is this is a huge voting block
for twenty years basically for an entire generation. So they
need it for votes, but they also need it for
political power in other ways. So the way that we
calculate the census in the United States is based on
count people, not counting citizens. So if you have, you know,
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twenty percent of your population or illegal migrants, that counts
to how many congressional seats you're going to get, how
much you're going to get in the electoral college. It
also determines how much you're going to get in federal
block grants for everything from welfare to transportation, et cetera.
So what numbers are we talking about. Well, if you
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look at just the illegals in California, they account for
four congressional seats. California has four more congressional seats because
of illegals in that state. To put that in relief,
that's more than the congressional the size of the congressional
degradation of thirteen states in our country. So this is
a hugely important basis for a political power. The other
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thing I would add is, and I quote people extensively
saying this in the book, progressives believe with good evidence
that migrants tend to be pretty far left of center
compared to the app average American. There are obviously exceptions
to that, but generally speaking, they tend to be left
of center, and progressives push them not to assimilate, not
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to embrace the American dream, because they see them as
a transformative power. So ultimately, I would say, this is
not about a humanitarian gesture. It's not caring about the people.
It's about raw political power. And they realize that if
a migrant self deport, or if they deport in large numbers,
is going to have a catastrophic effect on their hold
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on political power.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And we're seeing that for the forecast for the two
thousand and thirty census, and what a portion meant would
mean for the electoral college and for the congressional breakdown
as well as you're laying out too. So basically, in essence,
they see these individuals as people they can control.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, they do. And what I think is important here
is that it's not just these domestic forces that see
the c migrants is a political weapon. It's actually foreign elites.
So you have foreign elites like the government of Mexico,
like the government of China, like the Muslim Brotherhood, who
(05:12):
have their other agendas. But there's kind of a confluence
of interests. So let me just if I could Lisa
read briefly two quotes from senior Mexican officials that I
think explain how Mexico views mass migration. The first one
is from a December twenty twenty four government report Mexican
Government by a top age to Shinebaum, and she wrote, quote,
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we already know that the Mexican population in the United
States reaches thirty nine point nine million. We Mexicans are
reclaiming our territory. Or this quote from one of the
most powerful senators in Mexico. He sits on the National
Defense Committee, which is the most important committee. He's a
member of the Marina Party, which is the ruling party.
He said just a couple of years ago, quote, Mexicans
(05:56):
are in our territories California, Nevada, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado,
and Wyoming. We're going to take back the territory that
was stolen from us. I could read you dozens of
quotes like that. I have them in the book. That
is how Mexico's elite views mass migration, and there are
(06:17):
things they've steps they've taken to project Mexico's sovereignty into
the United States. So when you get foreign actors like
Mexico and China that view immigration through that lens, and
you get domestic elites in the United States, like progressives
and star warts of the Democratic Party sayings is good
for our politics, you get a perfect storm of mass
(06:39):
migration as a political weapon. And that is what we're
dealing with in the country today.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So are our elites, are our leaders in this country
aware of or foreign adversaries plans of this or or
is it just purely selfish political reasons that they're going
along with it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know, that's a great question, Lisa. It's hard to know.
What people are thinking. They certainly don't give an indication
that they do, but on the other hand, they don't
do anything to stop it. So you know, one example
would be Shine with their policy of exploiting birthright citizenship.
(07:20):
This is an issue the Supreme Court is going to
be taking up. And the argument for in favor of
birthright citizenship is, if you happen to be in the
United States give birth to a child, that child is
automatically granted US citizenship. And our federal government has no idea,
zero idea how many citizens have been created that way,
(07:41):
because you think about it, when you have a birth
certificate for your child that doesn't list the nationality of
the parents, it's not in some kind of federal database.
So the question is how big is the scale, And
the scale for China is incredibly high. The Chinese government
has looked at this. That government has encouraged Chinese elites
(08:03):
to do this over the last twelve to thirteen years.
By their estimate, every single year over the last years
thirteen years, one hundred thousand Chinese have done this every year.
So what they're doing it's called birth tourism. They fly
into the United States, they give birth to their child,
(08:23):
they fly back to China child, the child is raised
in China in government schools. Their parents are part of
the elite. So there is this, in a sense, army
of one million quote unquote American citizens being raised in
China right now, and when they turn eighteen, they're going
to be able to vote, they're going to be able
(08:44):
to donate to political campaigns, they're going to be able
to take government jobs. And the Obama administration actually perpetuated
this problem by simplifying the visa process and telling customs
and border patrol if a woman comes from China and
she's pragned, don't ask her any questions about whether she's
having a medical procedure here, whether she's giving birth. So
(09:07):
they clearly have done things to streamline the things that
our foreign advisors that are doing. Whether they're doing that
because they're completely naive and ignorant, or whether they're doing
it because they're complicit and they know what the motives are,
I don't know, but either way, it's it's horrible for
the country.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well in China, probably more so than maybe any other country,
really plans for the future in a very methodical way.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Would you say that's accurate statement.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah one, you know, they on this birthright citizenship. It's
really ingenious if you think about it. Beginning in twenty eleven,
they started running articles in the People's Daily, which is
the CCP's main newspaper, telling think about this, telling elites
in China, you have a constitutional right if your child
(09:56):
is born in America for your child to have US citizenship.
And so why would a foreign advisarial country push that idea?
I think because they would view it as to their
political advantage. And so there's this big industry in China
that arranges this for members of the Chinese elite. And
we know just based on their strategic planning and on
(10:18):
their cultural outlook on RULD affairs, they do tend to
think long or at least medium term, and this is
something that they tried to do in Hong Kong in
the early two thousands. The government of Hong Kong shut
it down said no birthright citizenship for Chinese nationals. So
it is a strategy that fits very well with their
(10:39):
cultural approach in contrast to Mexico's approach, which is less
systematic but has its own ambitions and its own form
of weaponization in our country. As well.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Got to take a quick commercial break more with Peter
on the other side. You know, So, I guess we
look right now as a country and you look at
divisions taking place and sort of like the anti western mentality.
How much of this do you think is due to
the mass immigration we've seen over the past decades.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I think what we see a lot of chaos in
our streets because of weaponized immigration. And I think some
of the even some of the corruption stories that are
coming out the Somali corruption. People want to say, well,
you know, they're from Somalia, they're from this you know, corrupt.
It's one of the most correct countries in the world.
This is just sort of a cultural thing, and certainly
(11:35):
that's part of it. But when you look at what
these political networks in the United States are doing, they're
encouraging and perpetuating this destructive behavior. So, for example, you
have a Mom's Muslim preachers in the United States. They're
here on on religious visas. They're not Americans, but they're
running some of the biggest mosques in America, and what
(11:57):
they actually says is that they encourage Muslim believers to
engage in fraud of public assistance because they say its
attacks are non Muslims attacks that non Muslims should be
paying to Muslims. So they actually give sort of religious backing.
I'm not saying that all moms preach this, they certainly don't,
(12:19):
but there's a sizable number that do. So this is
organized and intentional as a weapon to be used. You
look at the Los Angeles rights that we had last year.
What's going on in Minneapolis now? As I highlight in
the book, you have foreign government officials from Mexico who
live inside the United States who are actively fanning the
(12:40):
flames for violent protests and in some cases organizing them.
You've got a guy named Alejandro Roblaze who I talked
about in the book. He lives in Ontario, California, outside
of la but he also sits in the Mexican Congress,
their Chamber of Deputies. In twenty twenty five, he was
bragging to his colleague in Mexico that he was, you know,
(13:02):
visiting in going across the United States and meeting with
radicals to quote organize the militancy inside the United States.
That those were his exact words. He met with Antifa
related groups about forming common cause. When the riots broke
out in Los Angeles. You had other Mexican officials who
(13:24):
were cheering it on and said, we're part of the
permanent resistance to Trump. So this is organized, This is intentional.
This is not just random stuff that unfortunately happens. It
is intentional, and it is weaponized immigration. And we need
to start realizing. It's great to have a national debate
about how immigration affects our economy and affects, you know,
(13:46):
a crime on our streets, but we've got to realize
people that have come here have brought these political networks
with them, these radical political networks that want to undermine
our country, and that is effectively what they're trying to
do right now.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, and we also saw this with as you pointed out,
the Minnesota fraud and money going overseas to terrorist groups,
or at least that's been the allegation and some reporting
that's been done on that, which it's like, well, we
letting people who have those ties into the country.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yes, And I would note, by the way, Lisa, also
in Minneapolis, Mexico has a network in the United States
of fifty three consulates, which, just to put that into perspective,
the United Kingdom and China have six and seven consulates,
Mexico has fifty three. One of those is in Saint Paul, Minnesota,
and they have worked with groups like Clues and Mirac
(14:38):
that are at ground zero for a lot of these
anti ice protests, and we've seen that with other consular
officials elsewhere. So there is a pattern of behavior here,
and I think we need to look at shutting down consulates.
When you look at expelling Mexican diplomats that are engaging
in this kind of behavior, some of them are also
(14:59):
getting involved in our domestic elections inside the United States,
which diplomats are certainly not supposed to be doing. But
we need to focus on this and realize this is
not sort of a series of random events. This is
organized and being encouraged by foreign powers.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
What role do NGOs play and all of this.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
A very very important component to this. Some of the
NGOs are domestic groups that are funded by people like
Bill Gates and George Sorows, and these NGOs will say
explicitly that their purpose for supporting migration in the United
States is that it has a quote transformative effect on
(15:40):
our country. In other words, they want migrants to come
here to change the country because they view the country
as fundamentally flawed, so they play an important role there.
The other institutions I would look at as some of
the religious groups, Catholic charities and also Lutheran charities, and
particularly the Catholic Church under the previous Pope Francis, where
(16:04):
they've wholly embraced the message of open borders to the
extent that it was an element of liberation theology, this
strain of theology that the Gospel's really achieved through Marxism Leninism,
not through a personal relationship with God, and that of
course has played an important and powerful role here. So
(16:27):
there are lots of adversarial institutions foreign powers also inngos
that see mass migration ultimately, not through the lens of
helping individual people. They say it through the lens of
a transformative political movement that can reorient the United States
in the direction they want it to go, not that
(16:49):
we're supposed to have any say in it, but of
course we did have a say in that in the
twenty twenty four election. And that's why I think you're
seeing so much resistance in the streets, because this fundamentally
goes to this core of progressive power in the United States.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So how much of it is about money for even
these Catholic NGOs, because they get.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
A lot of money out of this as well, right
they do.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, at least there's no question there is a motivation there.
Catholic charities saw there. You know, when Joe Biden opened
the borders, you saw Catholic charities federal grant money increased
by tenfold, ten times as a result. So money is
certainly a factor here, But I think it's more than
that because they tell us it's more than that. And yes,
(17:33):
they do say it's because they care about people, and okay,
we can take them at face value, I guess on that,
but they also tell us this has a political component.
The sanctuary movement. You know, we've got sanctuary cities and
sanctuary states. We've even got sanctuary labor unions. If you
look at the history the sanctuary movement of the United States,
(17:54):
beginning in the nineteen eighties, the founders of that movement
were very, very explicit. They saw the sanctuary movement as
a means by which you could institute radical change in
the country. And they even said when refugees are coming
from Latin America, They particularly were focused on helping those
(18:14):
that were part of radical Marxist movement. So if you
came into the United States illegally and you said I
worked with the FMLN, which is the Marxist movement in
El Salvador, they would take you in and give you
exactly what you want. If you came in and said, well,
I was a secretary working for the Salvadoran government, they
wouldn't help you. This is what the leaders of that
(18:34):
move would tell you. That approach still continues to exist.
So the goal here is not humanitarian. Ultimately, it's revolutionary,
and that's what they tell us. And I think that's
what we have to not be naive about, you.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Know, And what role does azz all have on in
our education system, because obviously we are importing people who
hit our country and want to transform it. We've even
given refugee status to people at Golan Omar who speaks
ill of America and you know, basically hates being here
and hates it, but yet you know, won't leave back
to her home country. But you know, but then these
(19:10):
people become educators or you know, and then they taint
you know, American born kids as well. So I guess
you know, talk about sort of you know, the poisoning
of the well that happens with all of this.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, at least it really starts in our elementary schools.
And think about this for a minute. So you have,
you know, tens of millions of people in the United
States illegally that came across the border. Many of them
bring children. Those children are enrolled in public schools from
Los Angeles to Orlando. They don't speak or read English.
So the Mexican Consulate, out of the kindness of their heart,
(19:46):
I'm seeing this with irony, donates every year more than
a million Mexican textbooks to school districts in the United
States to educate these migrant children, to give them their textbooks.
The problem is, when you look at these textbooks, they're
even far worse than some of the worst American textbooks.
They view the United States as an enemy power, as
(20:07):
an occupying power. They have a totally different view of
the US Mexican War in the nineteenth century. They have
a totally different view of race relations in the United States.
Not positive, I would say. So it begins with this
kind of notion that we're allowing Mexico to educate millions
of kids inside the United States. And by the way,
(20:28):
the people that run this program in Mexico describe it
as an effort to create quote greater Mexico. In other words,
we're going to be extending our ideas and our sovereignty
into the United States. So it begins at the earliest level.
But you have the added problem that you've talked about
that there are a lot of students that come here,
particularly of groups like the Muslim Students Association, which were
(20:51):
related to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is linked to terrorist activity.
These groups are on our college campuses, and their goal
here is not to assimilate. In fact, if you do assimilate,
they will attack you. They will go after you. If
I could just let me read to quotes, because again
it's important to know this is not just me saying this.
(21:12):
Two quotes from officials with care, which is the you know,
the Council for American Islamic Relations, one of the biggest
Islamic groups in the country. The first one is from
the Florida director in twenty twenty five. He says, quote,
how do we even justify living here? I mean, why
are we living here? Have we asked ourselves this question,
(21:32):
why are we living in the United States? The only
answer I believe is excusable and justifiable is if we
are living here to shift this country's political direction and
spiritual direction together. Or this other one from a member
of the Board of Directors of Care he says, quote, Ultimately,
we can never be full citizens of this country because
(21:53):
there is no way we can be fully committed to
the institutions of this country. It can be citizens in
the sete that we try to influence American policy. So
they do not want assimilation. They do not want people
to embrace the American dream. Their message and their push
is for people in the United States that come here
(22:14):
as migrants, as immigrants is to operate as a resistance
to assimilation and forward their revolutionary goals inside the United States.
It's a huge, huge problem and against evidence of the
what I call the weaponization of immigration.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Quick Briggs, stay with us.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
If you like what you're hearing, please you're in social
media or send it to your family and friends. I mean, obviously,
you know we close the borders, as presidential worked towards
and has done so successfully.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But what do we do about it?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean, we've got a lot of these people in
the country who hate America, who don't want to assimilate it.
As you pointed out, I guess what's the path forward?
How do we save the country?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, I think sealing the border was key, but again,
it does nothing to deal with the political networks operating
in our country. I think those need to be dismantled
and they need to be undermined. So with Mexico, that
means closing a lot of consulates, kicking a lot of
these diplomats out of the country. I also don't quite
understand where we're allowing Mexico to have all these elected
(23:21):
officials living in the United States, basically encroaching on our
sovereignty and treating Mexicans in the United States as an
extension of the Mexican government. So that I think would
be the first start. The other thing we need to
do is look at how China is exploiting our immigration system.
The birthright citizenship case, people need to understand, and I
(23:42):
think this is going to be argued before the Supreme
Court based on the evidence in the book that birthright
citizenship is not just sort of a random thing that happens.
There is an industrial scale model that China is embracing
and the notion that you can literally fly into the
United States, give birth to a child, and then when
the child is ready to get on an airplane, just
(24:03):
fly back to China, raise them in China for eighteen
years then and they are still US citizens. I don't
think anybody would envision that that is related to the
fourteenth Amendments. So we need to deal with that issue.
There are a series of other things that I've highlighted
in the book. Right now, we are training in the
United States thousands of Chinese pilots. They're going to be
(24:26):
flying for the Chinese Air Force, squaring off against US.
They're at flight schools. Remember we had this problem before
nine to eleven. The nine to eleven terrorists were in
US flight schools. We banned people from terrorists sponsoring countries
from going to our flight schools. We need to ban
Chinese nationals from our flight schools. Why should our pilots
be squaring off against a future conflict with a Chinese
(24:49):
pilot that was trained in the United States. There are
some very specific things that we can do to deal
with these issues, but we have to focus on it.
We have to recognize the issue for what it is.
It's not just immigration, it's weaponized immigration, and we have
to take bold action, and I'm confident we're going to
see some movement on that, at least in some of
these areas. The key thing is awareness and changing our
(25:12):
mindset on these issues.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Do you think that Trump administration is aware of all this?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So I've had meetings with senior Trump officials at the
cabinet level. I've also had meetings on Capitol Hill with
several US Senators. They are all going to be hearings
on Capitol Hill, and I expect we're going to see
some movements from the Trump administration on some of these areas.
So I'm optimistic. But look, part of it is maintaining
focus and attention on these issues. There's so much stuff
(25:40):
that's happening in the world right now that these leaders
are dealing with, So they need to know that this
is a priority for the American people, and we need
to keep the center of their mind. The national security
implications of this, the immediacy of other issues Venezuela, etc.
I recognize that it's there, but in terms of scale
and threat, I would argue these issues are a much
(26:02):
larger fundamental threat down the road than these issues that
are popping up right now.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
And then before we go. Is there anything else you
want to get in about the book?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, I think you know what I try to do
with all my books, Lisa, is let the information speak
for itself. So what you're going to see in this
book is Mexican officials, Chinese officials, Muslim Brotherhood leaders talking
about how they view immigration as a weapon. So this
is not theorizing. And I tell people also a lot
of the feedback I've gotten from the book, it's been tremendous.
(26:35):
It's been the number one book of all books sold
on Amazon for the last nine days, so the response
has been overwhelming. But sometimes people get so discouraged they say,
oh man, the problems are so big you cannot get immobilized.
The beginning of dealing with these problems is recognizing what
they are. So please read the book. If you read
(26:57):
the book, don't get angry, frustrated, and discouraged. Let it
spur you to action. Letting your elected officials know that
you care about these issues and making them aware of it.
That's I think really the key.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's a great message.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Peter Schweizer always a wealth of information, The Invisible Coup,
how American elites and foreign powers use immigration as a weapon,
and it's out now. Peter, congrats already on the success
of the book. As you pointed out, always love having
you on, would love to have you back on soon,
and congrats on the success of the book.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I always looking forward to talking to you. Lisa,
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Peter, have a great day it was, Peter Schweizer.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the
show and talk about his new book, The Invisible Coup.
Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,
but you can listen throughout the week. I also want
to make my producer, John Cassio, for putting the show together.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
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