What did Dr. Anthony Fauci know privately about COVID vaccines—and what was the American public being told at the same time?
On this episode of The Truth with Lisa Boothe, Senator Ron Johnson joins Lisa for an explosive conversation about his ongoing investigation into the government's COVID-19 response and newly obtained communications from Fauci’s government-issued devices.
Johnson discusses a private Fauci message that he says raised concerns about vaccination and pregnancy, why he believes the issue goes far beyond the debate over miscarriage statistics, and his argument that Americans were denied information necessary to make fully informed medical decisions.
The Wisconsin senator also reveals what investigators are finding as they work through tens of thousands of Fauci text messages, hundreds of voice messages and other government records. Johnson explains why identifying the people behind hundreds of phone numbers has become a critical part of the investigation—and why he says his team is being careful not to release private information unrelated to public policy.
Lisa and Sen. Johnson also discuss Fauci’s handling of the COVID pandemic, gain-of-function research, vaccine safety surveillance, the relationship between government health agencies and pharmaceutical companies, and Johnson’s allegations that career bureaucrats are resisting efforts to uncover additional records.
Johnson says investigators are now seeking devices and communications associated with other former government health officials as his probe expands—and declares that despite years of pursuing answers about the pandemic, the investigation has “only just begun.”
Plus, Johnson explains why he believes America still needs a full COVID reckoning before the next public health crisis.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Truth with thee Sabooth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we are talking about COVID, talking about doctor Anthony Fauci,
because Senator Ron Johnson his committee obtained a forensic copy
of doctor Fauci's government issued phone from HHS.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It means over thirty four thousand text messages, more than
five hundred voicemails, and one of the first ones released,
Fauci privately warned that the second COVID vaccine dose could
theoretically be associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. Well,
then why did just days later he told the public
that there were no red flags? Senator Ron Johnson joins
(00:48):
me to discuss what these texts reveal, what else is
still on the phone, and whether the American people will
ever get the truth. Stay tuned for Senator Ron Johnson. Well,
Senator Ron Johnson, it's always great to have you on
the show. You have been fighting for truth throughout COVID
for years now, and it looks like we're finally starting
(01:11):
to get answers. I imagine like you probably feel a
little vindicated right now. What's this been like for you,
for the public, and for a lot of the media
to finally acknowledge that maybe there were there were some
dangers with the vaccine.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well, it's been enormously frustrating for the last five or
six years as I've just been trying to lay out
the truth for the American public, and every time I
come up with something else that is the truth, I
get vilified, to get ridiculed, They figure out some way
to kind of nitpick something and put a fact to this,
(01:46):
you know, pants on firefalls. So no, it's been incredibly frustrating.
I'm I'm glad that at least the mainstream me is
being forced to cover this text I released from FAUCI.
But even as they cover it, yeah, I've got it
three or four different fact checkers now, you know, obsessing
over the miscarriage rate, which will never will never know
(02:07):
the miscarriage rate because they didn't they literally didn't do safety' surveilance.
I mean, you know, with my investigations, I'm coming to understand, Yeah,
they had systems set up, but they completely ignored it.
They stopped doing their they stopped running their analytical things
like empirical Bayesian and proportional reporting. Racial. So I mean
it's a goin. There's at least I got so much
(02:28):
to download here. But can we just start I'd kind
of like to try this one time. Can can we
just go for it? Could do a little history of
what a monster Anti Fauci is.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm here for it. You go ahead, start on the floor.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So we'll start with with your Robert F. Keriy Junior's
book throughal Anti Fauci. I'm not going to get into
all the detail there. Read it and you'll you'll know
immediately what a monster is leading up to COVID. But
start with COVID. He funded and gain a function of
research for you years. When President Obama correctly put a
(03:03):
more toryum on gain to function research, Anthony Fout she
found out a very effective way to circumvent it. And
he did, you know, he funded Ralph Barrett, Peter Dassik,
the you know, the bat Lady in China, these labs
all over the world. He funded it. And then when
the coronavirus hit, he did everything could to cover up
(03:25):
his involvement in it by saying, oh, the man made
you know lable, that's a conspiracy. Theory is spraying from nature,
which is total BS, and I knew his BS right
from the start, but it's taken us quite a few
years just to catch up there. So once we have
the pandemic, which by the way, back in October twenty
nineteen with Brick Bright at the Milican Institute, he's bemoaning
(03:46):
the fat they don't have a universal vaccination program, that
the flu just isn't good enough, we need a pandemic. Well,
he got his pandemic, So he got his pandemic that
he probably had a hand in creating. But now now
is his opportunity to be the next Jonahsoft. Right now
he can engage and he can implement and initiate his
(04:08):
universal global vaccination program with an experimental gene therapy injection
along the way up until that emmergency use authorization he
gets also emergency use authorization on a totally unproven product, remdesideer.
They changed the endpoint to the study from mortality to
time to recovery. They're all kinds of conflict of interests
(04:31):
of the advisory board that recommended that the nurses where
it's administered referred to Redesiverer's run. Death is near because
it knocks out your kidneys, but once the emergency use
authorization came along, within literally probably days, there's the vaccine
adversary vent reporting system was deluged with reports of injury
(04:54):
and death. The contractor they hired to download these things
in two veyors, their worst case scenario is one thousand
a day, or might been one thousand a week. Orders
of magnitude more of those came in. They had to
hire two to ninety people just cope with the backlog.
So people like Faucy, people like Peter Marx, Tom shimercerl,
the people who were responsible for surveilling the safety of
(05:18):
these experimental injections, they had to be freaking out. But
then on March first one, Peter Marx was warned that
the algorithm they were using to analyze theators was going
to hide safety signals, and rather than switch to a
new algorithm that unmasked those, they were showing twenty six
days later, dozens of safety signals with this new algorithm,
(05:40):
they contend to use the old algorithm and lie of
the American people they aren't seeing safety signals. And of
course the text we just released a faucyet within about
a mile of the mercy use authorization, he was concerned
because of a larger cykind storm after the second dose
that could lead to miscarriages. Now, is you know how
(06:04):
close I've been tracking this. I had never heard that
there was a higher side kind storm at the second dose.
That is complete news to me. Miscarriages on the other hand, yeah,
I've had the doctor James Thorpe, a forty year practicing
kind of coologists, seeing this damage done by these injections
to his patients. I've had him testified twice. But now
that the mainstream media is being forced to cover that text,
(06:27):
they're apologizing for foulci. They're attacking, you know, doctor Thorpe's
evaluation of a total mess of a study that the
Thomshon Bakuro published in the New London Journal Medicine. They said, oh,
this totally normal miscarriage rate. Three or four months later,
New England Journal Medicine had to revise that and basically say,
(06:48):
we can't really tell you what the miscarriage rate is.
But again because I mentioned Thorpe who said it was
eighty two percent looking just the data, which is a mess,
now they're attacking that it is unrealistic. So again I
know best kind of a long field abuster. But this
is a long arc of monstrous behavior by the ringleader here,
the director of a miserably failed response to COVID that
(07:12):
costs untold number of people of the lives, destroyed people's lives,
destroyed economies. We're still living with the consequences of his
dictatorship if his directorship of our miserably failed response. And
only now is he being held starting to be held accountable.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, you know, and I know that you're fired up
about it because you've just been you know, you're one
of the only people even holding hearings for a vaccine
injured that have given any of these people boys, they've
been totally ignored by so many and now you've got
with and then also for.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
The media to run cover for him.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
The point is that the actual statistical number on the
miscarriages is not the point. The point is that he
was expressing private concern over it, but then publicly telling
everyone there's nothing to worry about. That's the disconnect. So
it's like, you know, the percentages here are irrelevant. It's
the fact that he told everything was fine when he
was privately expressing that it was not. So you've got
(08:05):
in your subcommittee. Here, you've got doctor Fauci's government issued phone.
I think something like what thirty four thousand texts, five
hundred voice messages you've got.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You guys have a lot of information here. What have
you learned so far?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I know we've got the miscarriage text that was put
out there.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What have you learned so far? And sort of what's
the process now?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And obviously that's a lot of information to go through,
so kind of like, how are you guys navigating that well?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And the fact that you probably are. Somebody deleted his
contact lists, so he's got nine hundred different phone numbers
that he was texting. And anybody who texts realized, no,
as soon as somebody texts you the phone number, you
immediately put them in your your contact list, so you
know who's texting you, right, he's got nine hundred of
these things. He only has three contexts in his contact lists.
(08:58):
So for the first thing we're having is we've downloaded
into a searchable form we're having to go through. I
think we've identified maybe twenty five to fifty of those
phone numbers, so we've got a long ways to go
and tell you know who he's texting it's kind of
hard to reveal anything. I want to be very careful.
I don't want I don't want to just do a
data dump and release other people's personal information. I really
(09:19):
don't even want to release Fousey's personal information. I want
to only release things that impact public policy. And so
as soon as we find things, my staff, you know,
God bless them, they started focusing some key dates. The
way we found the text on the miscarriage is they
looked at you know, kind of the text between administrations,
(09:41):
you know, at the end of the Trump in the
beginning of the Bid administration. So this was a text
from January twenty fifth, and when they show that to me,
I said, this isn't something we can We got to
release it right away because there are women out there
right now that may be considering getting this experimental gene
therapy injection of contemplating pregnancy as they are legacy, and
they need to have this additional information to make an
(10:04):
informed decision whether the risk benefit ratio is proper. And
so I released in the you know, really in light
of public safety and just the right of the individuals
have fully formed consent, which anti Fauci Peter Marx Thomson mccurr,
Janet wooden cockany that you know, Rachelle Owinsky. They denied
(10:25):
the American and quite honestly the global public of their
right to be informed of the information that those folks
knew that they simply hit because they didn't want to
create vaccine hesdency, because Anti Fauci wanted a universal global
vaccination program, which is what he got.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And two, you know, we were talking about this non
numbered yesterday I think it was, and I was pointing
out that there was a study or an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts,
on July third, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Seventy five percent of the cases were vaccinated.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yet Joe Biden took the stage in a July town
hall on CNN and told everyone if you got the vaccine,
you weren't going to get COVID. So it's like every
step of the way they had information privately, but yet
told us something publicly that wasn't true.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
One of you thinks the motivation was for Fauci, because
now we.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Know it's the miscarriage stuff that he held privately didn't
tell us about publicly. We know that he believed the
fatality rate to be significantly less than he told Congress.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think it was a month later.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know, you go down the list of things just
privately thinking something totally different, telling us something, you know,
the opposite publicly.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So why do you think that is? Like what was
the motivation there for him?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's hard to fully understand the motivations of amgmand meniacal
and narcissist. You know, want to be the next Jonah Salk.
I mean, he said down the stage's lyric Pride, you
want a universal vaccination program? Why? Yeah, I was never
anti vacs. Now that my eyes have opened to no
only this but also the childhood VACS schedule, I'm I
will declare myself pretty anti vax okay, because we've been
(12:02):
lied to for decades. But there it's such a beautiful
business model for Big Farman. You know, after they got
community protection, uh you know, liability protection, they're immune from it.
They got that in nineteen eighty six. They got it
in big time with the COVID ejection. So they can
just crank this stuff out, not really worry about safety
(12:23):
at all. And it's just highly profitable. And there are
indications that there's potentially a more global effort involving all
kinds of businesses, you know, wanting to prop up this
particular platform, you know, the MR and a platform is
just a it's a beautiful platform for making a lot
of money. You can crank out a new vaccine in
(12:43):
relation to a new danger that they will always scaremonger on.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's sort of.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Happened with COVID. You know. Privately, I thouse she was saying,
probably like a bad double bad flu season, which again
don't want to downplay that, but double is that worth
shut down the e commedies that were mandating experimental gene
therapy on. But publicly when I was there, ten times,
it's gonna be ten times a bad flu season. You know,
this thing's deadly. You know you gotta get you got
(13:10):
to get your child vaccine so your child doesn't kill
your your parent, you know, their grandparents. It was stick
what they did. Now. I remember getting vilified by by
by pointing out when anti Fouchi's trying to shut down
the economy, which she successfully did, said he's scare mongering
COVID just like he scare mongered HIV. Then I got
(13:33):
excoriated in the media. Oh he didn't, Yes, he did
he warned people that you could pick up AIDS through
household transmission. No, you couldn't. Again, he wanted to force
asy TEA on people. He wanted to for he was
trying to create a vaccine. So again, just like Fauci,
scare mongered HIV, did the same thing with the with COVID,
(13:54):
and again it's just devastated people's lives. So again, that's
why he's a monster. Faut She is a monster. I
know he's all proud of being the most famous guy
in the world. He got to go down in history's
one of the most infamous villains, you.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Know, Senator, have you heard from some of the families
who have either you know, some individuals who have ever
experienced the vaccine injury themselves or maybe lost a loved one.
Since this text message about the miscarriages has surfaced to
the public, have you heard from some of these families
(14:30):
have just I imagine there's some feeling of, you know,
maybe we'll finally get some more answers, or maybe people
will start taking this a little bit more seriously.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Well, I think you know how well connected I am
to the injection injured community. Brand Dressed and React nineteen
those folks. But we're literally going to hold a here,
a public event on September twenty eighth on hospital protocols,
and I want that to be as fair and accurate
as possible. But no, I haven't. I've certainly heard people
like Megan McCain who suffered miscarriage. I've been in contact
(15:02):
with the doctor James Thorpe again a forty years practicing
gynecologists who saw these injection injuries. And of course now
his evaluation of that Chimbakuro study is being excoriated and uh,
you know, questioned in the media to the by the
Fauci apologists. But now this this is again what I appreciate.
(15:25):
The fact is the media is being forced to at
least debate the miscarriage rate, and quite honestly, the fact
that miscarriages increases is really indisputable. You talk to gynecologists
and they saw it in their practice.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Well also just feel like, you know, it's easier for
the media to dismiss, you know, a Republican senator or
you know media personality, but when you've got Fauci is
the person who they have put up as like this
hero and he's such a perfect person. When it's his
(16:01):
own messages and the things that he has said privately
coming out. It makes it a lot more difficult for
them to try to defend. And I think even if
they're just arguing over you know, stats and things of
that nature, people are still going to read that and
be like, Wow, there were concerns about miscarriages and no
one told me, And that's going to be real concern
to Americans with that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Got to take a quick commercial break. Please stay with us.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
If you like what you're hearing, you like getting to
the truth, Please share this with your family and friends,
or share it on social media. Where do you think
this is going with Fauci? You know he plaed the
fifth I think it was one hundred and eleven times
if I remember correctly. I know there's been some things
expressed that he might be facing some legal liability. I
(16:47):
know he's facing legal liability in some states. I don't
know where's this going for Fauci specifically.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Do you think forget understand we just started getting documents. Yeah, no,
Senator Paul had his diaries last year. I had access
to hum ttil the week before the hearing, so you know,
we just got access to other devices so now we're
starting to look at some of his emails, which I
never had access to. So even though this has been
subject to subpoena, Bobby Kenny is not getting help within
(17:12):
the agency of being completely transparent. So it's been still
like pulling teeth. But now that we have the documents,
now we're expanding our search. Now we know more people
involved in this. I'm just putting request to Chris Klomp
about getting more devices. You know, do you have Wilenski's,
do you have Francis Collins? Do you have Peter Marks?
These people who left government services, they were using a
(17:35):
government devices, computers and phones. The government should have those
and they should be deleting. If you remember our investigation
into the Russian collusion hoax under Miller investigation, all those
FBI agents are all the DOJ the investigators are part
of Miller. The FPI just oh, by accident, they wiped
their devices. So I'm hoping that didn't happen. You know,
(17:58):
by the way, I'm suspicious it might because Thomson mccurl.
You know, we found out that he deleted emails, but
then we found out he did it under the auspices
of the General Council of HHS, and they not only
deleted from his device, but as we try to recover
those because it's really hard. It's really hard to delete
an email. You may put out of a device, but
(18:18):
it's somewhere, it's in the cloud, it's on a server.
Well it should have been on the servers of HHS.
But now we've discovered they were white from the server
of HHS. So there are more people involved here. So
in terms of accountability our investigation, trust me, I've been
trying to do this for you know, six years, but
Biden gave us nothing. I'm only starting getting documents because
(18:41):
the resistance in these agencies, So now we have documents.
I hate to say it, but our investigation is only
just begun.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You know, I believe I heard you say that even
RFK Junior is facing some resistance and he is the
AHHS secretary. You mentioned resistance at some of these agencies,
and you know President.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Trump's in charge. So how captured are some of these agencies?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Then? Like captured? So again you've got the career bureaucrats
who are culpable and complicit in these covers up were up?
You think you think they're going to be helpful again.
Tom schi mccrook. Just he deleted emails. He shouldn't have
a court when they found out about this, you know,
rebuilt the HHHS that the people in front of him,
(19:31):
but they deleted emails. So again you saw David Morns
And by the way, that was another email that my
staff kicked out of a need a lout of a
haystack with one hundred and fifteen thousand page production to
a university in Texas. So they're not offering this stuff up.
You know, when we do oversight letters, we offer very
targeted productions. You know, we're not looking for you know,
(19:52):
everything in the kitchen Saint. But they don't cooperate by
giving us what we Instead, they dumped eleven million pages.
Good luck work through it, okay, So you know that,
you know Kennedy is not being aided by the career
of bureaucrats within HHS. They're trying to cover it up.
They're trying to wait them out. They're trying to wake
me out. You know, hopefully we retain our majority. So
(20:13):
I retained subpoena power for the next two years. But
I'm sure people in the agencies are just hoping against all.
Hope the Democrats take control over the Senate and then
trust me, Blumenthal, he is not going to be digging
into this stuff at all.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So can you fire these bureaucrats.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Or it's very difficult too. They have you know, seeing
his senior service of civilian employees, it's it's very difficult
to fire people in these agencies. They've got all kinds
of protections.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So I know, different categories of federal employees are more
easily easily fireable than others. Start of saying, these guys
are the ones that are protected, then really tough.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, I mean political points they are gone, okay, But
at the senior level staff and these agencies, these bureaucrats
they've got they got major.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Protection, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
The same people who led us to stray and try
to cover it up still you know, helping to.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Run the show at some of these agencies.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
But again we're starting to get documents. You know, it
gets hard. It's hard to delete emails. You can need
to leave it up your Advite device. But somebody sent
the email to again the David Morrin's where he was
talking about he's got a poil lead. It shows him
how to delete emails. We didn't get that from Aja.
He was on the email change at a university. So
(21:32):
but again that's why these these investigations are not easy.
And let's face the Senate is not overly supportive investigations.
I'm the premier investigatory subcommittee of the Senate. I got
six full time investigators. That's it, Okay, that's with an
increase of budget under Chairman Paul. I was able to
convince Sharon Paul to give me bigger budgets so we
can do some of these things. But I've only got
(21:54):
six guys.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Why don't Democrats care about this?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You know, I think it's pretty bipartisan at this point
to realize that we relied to and it costs people
a lot on both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So why don't they care?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Because Democrats love big government and the last thing you
do something you love is, you know, dig up dirt
on it to show people that it's not worth adoration.
And so no that they and I think they are
thoroughly captured by big farmer. The big farmer spends a
lot of money on media. Big farmers spends a lot
(22:34):
of money on campaigns. Big Farmers sprinkles generously to both
Democrats and Republicans, which is why I'm still conducting pretty
lonely investigations here. It's not like my colleagues are, hey, Brown,
you know what do you uncover? Now? What can we
do to help you to send me this information? They
see how I'm treating the media, they kind of would
(22:56):
rather not have that for them for themselves. So there's again,
there's a great deal resistance. Those of us who are
trying to get the truth out about this are up
against powerful, powerful forces.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I've got to say, you've got a freaking spine because you.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Know, a lot of times people are bold when you
know they represent like super super red districts and or states,
and you know they don't have to worry about re
election and they don't have to worry about winning tough
you know, general elections. But you represent Wisconsin and I've
lived in Wisconsin. I worked on the Tommy Thompson for
Senate campaign. It's a very purple state. It's a very
(23:31):
tricky state. I mean, freaking Tammy Baldwin, who is the
other senator from your state, is as liberal as they get.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So, like you were, like, there's a risk to what you're.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Saying here, you know, yeah, you've still managed to get
re elected.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I guess what do you want to leave us with.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
And all of this before we go, Well, first of all,
there's there's no risk to me because I'd rather go home.
And I think quite astley wiscout sites, whether they agree
disagree with me, at least understand that, I mean, this
guy is genuine. This guy's not you know, making himself
out to be something he's not, and truthfully, in a
very close election in twenty twenty two, I really think
(24:12):
the fact that I advocated for the injection injury that
I was trying to tell the truth about these things,
and I was trying to warn people, you know, get informed.
I think there are probably enough Democrats because I've had
them come up to me, so you know, I don't
agree with you out of anything, but boh, I appreciate
what you did there, and that might have just been
my margin where I won by a little bit more
than twenty thousand votes. So again, what I want to
(24:34):
leave people with is, please open your eyes. The truth
has been out there for years, but it's been suppressed
by by the legacy media quite honestly, and that's where
we have to get our That's where you have to
get this information from. So open up your eyes, be
open to things that you don't really want to admit,
(24:54):
because you know right now, nobody wants todmit they're wrong.
People don't if they if they got the injection, they
don't want to hear about ctential turbile cancers or lingering
issues with this. They just want to move on. But
we can't move on because if we move on and
we don't have a COVID reckoning, they'll do it to
us again, and we can't afford to have them do
what they did do us during COVID in the next
(25:15):
public health crisis.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's a really good point. Senator Ron Johnson, so much
respect for you. Appreciate you always making the time and
being honest and fighting for the truth. Really appreciate you
and respect you.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Thank you for covering it because not everybody does have
a great day.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
That was Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin.
Appreciate him for coming on the show. Appreciate him for
fighting for the truth. Appreciate you guys at home for
listening every Tuesday and Thursday and listened throughout the week awesome.
We thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the
show together until the next time.
Welcome to the Truth with thee Sabooth, where we get
to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,
we are talking about COVID, talking about doctor Anthony Fauci,
because Senator Ron Johnson his committee obtained a forensic copy
of doctor Fauci's government issued phone from HHS.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
So what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It means over thirty four thousand text messages, more than
five hundred voicemails, and one of the first ones released,
Fauci privately warned that the second COVID vaccine dose could
theoretically be associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. Well,
then why did just days later he told the public
that there were no red flags? Senator Ron Johnson joins
(00:48):
me to discuss what these texts reveal, what else is
still on the phone, and whether the American people will
ever get the truth. Stay tuned for Senator Ron Johnson. Well,
Senator Ron Johnson, it's always great to have you on
the show. You have been fighting for truth throughout COVID
for years now, and it looks like we're finally starting
(01:11):
to get answers. I imagine like you probably feel a
little vindicated right now. What's this been like for you,
for the public, and for a lot of the media
to finally acknowledge that maybe there were there were some
dangers with the vaccine.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well, it's been enormously frustrating for the last five or
six years as I've just been trying to lay out
the truth for the American public, and every time I
come up with something else that is the truth, I
get vilified, to get ridiculed, They figure out some way
to kind of nitpick something and put a fact to this,
(01:46):
you know, pants on firefalls. So no, it's been incredibly frustrating.
I'm I'm glad that at least the mainstream me is
being forced to cover this text I released from FAUCI.
But even as they cover it, yeah, I've got it
three or four different fact checkers now, you know, obsessing
over the miscarriage rate, which will never will never know
(02:07):
the miscarriage rate because they didn't they literally didn't do safety' surveilance.
I mean, you know, with my investigations, I'm coming to understand, Yeah,
they had systems set up, but they completely ignored it.
They stopped doing their they stopped running their analytical things
like empirical Bayesian and proportional reporting. Racial. So I mean
it's a goin. There's at least I got so much
(02:28):
to download here. But can we just start I'd kind
of like to try this one time. Can can we
just go for it? Could do a little history of
what a monster Anti Fauci is.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm here for it. You go ahead, start on the floor.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So we'll start with with your Robert F. Keriy Junior's
book throughal Anti Fauci. I'm not going to get into
all the detail there. Read it and you'll you'll know
immediately what a monster is leading up to COVID. But
start with COVID. He funded and gain a function of
research for you years. When President Obama correctly put a
(03:03):
more toryum on gain to function research, Anthony Fout she
found out a very effective way to circumvent it. And
he did, you know, he funded Ralph Barrett, Peter Dassik,
the you know, the bat Lady in China, these labs
all over the world. He funded it. And then when
the coronavirus hit, he did everything could to cover up
(03:25):
his involvement in it by saying, oh, the man made
you know lable, that's a conspiracy. Theory is spraying from nature,
which is total BS, and I knew his BS right
from the start, but it's taken us quite a few
years just to catch up there. So once we have
the pandemic, which by the way, back in October twenty
nineteen with Brick Bright at the Milican Institute, he's bemoaning
(03:46):
the fat they don't have a universal vaccination program, that
the flu just isn't good enough, we need a pandemic. Well,
he got his pandemic, So he got his pandemic that
he probably had a hand in creating. But now now
is his opportunity to be the next Jonahsoft. Right now
he can engage and he can implement and initiate his
(04:08):
universal global vaccination program with an experimental gene therapy injection
along the way up until that emmergency use authorization he
gets also emergency use authorization on a totally unproven product, remdesideer.
They changed the endpoint to the study from mortality to
time to recovery. They're all kinds of conflict of interests
(04:31):
of the advisory board that recommended that the nurses where
it's administered referred to Redesiverer's run. Death is near because
it knocks out your kidneys, but once the emergency use
authorization came along, within literally probably days, there's the vaccine
adversary vent reporting system was deluged with reports of injury
(04:54):
and death. The contractor they hired to download these things
in two veyors, their worst case scenario is one thousand
a day, or might been one thousand a week. Orders
of magnitude more of those came in. They had to
hire two to ninety people just cope with the backlog.
So people like Faucy, people like Peter Marx, Tom shimercerl,
the people who were responsible for surveilling the safety of
(05:18):
these experimental injections, they had to be freaking out. But
then on March first one, Peter Marx was warned that
the algorithm they were using to analyze theators was going
to hide safety signals, and rather than switch to a
new algorithm that unmasked those, they were showing twenty six
days later, dozens of safety signals with this new algorithm,
(05:40):
they contend to use the old algorithm and lie of
the American people they aren't seeing safety signals. And of
course the text we just released a faucyet within about
a mile of the mercy use authorization, he was concerned
because of a larger cykind storm after the second dose
that could lead to miscarriages. Now, is you know how
(06:04):
close I've been tracking this. I had never heard that
there was a higher side kind storm at the second dose.
That is complete news to me. Miscarriages on the other hand, yeah,
I've had the doctor James Thorpe, a forty year practicing
kind of coologists, seeing this damage done by these injections
to his patients. I've had him testified twice. But now
that the mainstream media is being forced to cover that text,
(06:27):
they're apologizing for foulci. They're attacking, you know, doctor Thorpe's
evaluation of a total mess of a study that the
Thomshon Bakuro published in the New London Journal Medicine. They said, oh,
this totally normal miscarriage rate. Three or four months later,
New England Journal Medicine had to revise that and basically say,
(06:48):
we can't really tell you what the miscarriage rate is.
But again because I mentioned Thorpe who said it was
eighty two percent looking just the data, which is a mess,
now they're attacking that it is unrealistic. So again I
know best kind of a long field abuster. But this
is a long arc of monstrous behavior by the ringleader here,
the director of a miserably failed response to COVID that
(07:12):
costs untold number of people of the lives, destroyed people's lives,
destroyed economies. We're still living with the consequences of his
dictatorship if his directorship of our miserably failed response. And
only now is he being held starting to be held accountable.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, you know, and I know that you're fired up
about it because you've just been you know, you're one
of the only people even holding hearings for a vaccine
injured that have given any of these people boys, they've
been totally ignored by so many and now you've got
with and then also for.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
The media to run cover for him.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
The point is that the actual statistical number on the
miscarriages is not the point. The point is that he
was expressing private concern over it, but then publicly telling
everyone there's nothing to worry about. That's the disconnect. So
it's like, you know, the percentages here are irrelevant. It's
the fact that he told everything was fine when he
was privately expressing that it was not. So you've got
(08:05):
in your subcommittee. Here, you've got doctor Fauci's government issued phone.
I think something like what thirty four thousand texts, five
hundred voice messages you've got.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You guys have a lot of information here. What have
you learned so far?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I know we've got the miscarriage text that was put
out there.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What have you learned so far? And sort of what's
the process now?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And obviously that's a lot of information to go through,
so kind of like, how are you guys navigating that well?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And the fact that you probably are. Somebody deleted his
contact lists, so he's got nine hundred different phone numbers
that he was texting. And anybody who texts realized, no,
as soon as somebody texts you the phone number, you
immediately put them in your your contact list, so you
know who's texting you, right, he's got nine hundred of
these things. He only has three contexts in his contact lists.
(08:58):
So for the first thing we're having is we've downloaded
into a searchable form we're having to go through. I
think we've identified maybe twenty five to fifty of those
phone numbers, so we've got a long ways to go
and tell you know who he's texting it's kind of
hard to reveal anything. I want to be very careful.
I don't want I don't want to just do a
data dump and release other people's personal information. I really
(09:19):
don't even want to release Fousey's personal information. I want
to only release things that impact public policy. And so
as soon as we find things, my staff, you know,
God bless them, they started focusing some key dates. The
way we found the text on the miscarriage is they
looked at you know, kind of the text between administrations,
(09:41):
you know, at the end of the Trump in the
beginning of the Bid administration. So this was a text
from January twenty fifth, and when they show that to me,
I said, this isn't something we can We got to
release it right away because there are women out there
right now that may be considering getting this experimental gene
therapy injection of contemplating pregnancy as they are legacy, and
they need to have this additional information to make an
(10:04):
informed decision whether the risk benefit ratio is proper. And
so I released in the you know, really in light
of public safety and just the right of the individuals
have fully formed consent, which anti Fauci Peter Marx Thomson mccurr,
Janet wooden cockany that you know, Rachelle Owinsky. They denied
(10:25):
the American and quite honestly the global public of their
right to be informed of the information that those folks
knew that they simply hit because they didn't want to
create vaccine hesdency, because Anti Fauci wanted a universal global
vaccination program, which is what he got.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And two, you know, we were talking about this non
numbered yesterday I think it was, and I was pointing
out that there was a study or an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts,
on July third, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Seventy five percent of the cases were vaccinated.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yet Joe Biden took the stage in a July town
hall on CNN and told everyone if you got the vaccine,
you weren't going to get COVID. So it's like every
step of the way they had information privately, but yet
told us something publicly that wasn't true.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
One of you thinks the motivation was for Fauci, because
now we.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Know it's the miscarriage stuff that he held privately didn't
tell us about publicly. We know that he believed the
fatality rate to be significantly less than he told Congress.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think it was a month later.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know, you go down the list of things just
privately thinking something totally different, telling us something, you know,
the opposite publicly.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So why do you think that is? Like what was
the motivation there for him?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
It's hard to fully understand the motivations of amgmand meniacal
and narcissist. You know, want to be the next Jonah Salk.
I mean, he said down the stage's lyric Pride, you
want a universal vaccination program? Why? Yeah, I was never
anti vacs. Now that my eyes have opened to no
only this but also the childhood VACS schedule, I'm I
will declare myself pretty anti vax okay, because we've been
(12:02):
lied to for decades. But there it's such a beautiful
business model for Big Farman. You know, after they got
community protection, uh you know, liability protection, they're immune from it.
They got that in nineteen eighty six. They got it
in big time with the COVID ejection. So they can
just crank this stuff out, not really worry about safety
(12:23):
at all. And it's just highly profitable. And there are
indications that there's potentially a more global effort involving all
kinds of businesses, you know, wanting to prop up this
particular platform, you know, the MR and a platform is
just a it's a beautiful platform for making a lot
of money. You can crank out a new vaccine in
(12:43):
relation to a new danger that they will always scaremonger on.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's sort of.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Happened with COVID. You know. Privately, I thouse she was saying,
probably like a bad double bad flu season, which again
don't want to downplay that, but double is that worth
shut down the e commedies that were mandating experimental gene
therapy on. But publicly when I was there, ten times,
it's gonna be ten times a bad flu season. You know,
this thing's deadly. You know you gotta get you got
(13:10):
to get your child vaccine so your child doesn't kill
your your parent, you know, their grandparents. It was stick
what they did. Now. I remember getting vilified by by
by pointing out when anti Fouchi's trying to shut down
the economy, which she successfully did, said he's scare mongering
COVID just like he scare mongered HIV. Then I got
(13:33):
excoriated in the media. Oh he didn't, Yes, he did
he warned people that you could pick up AIDS through
household transmission. No, you couldn't. Again, he wanted to force
asy TEA on people. He wanted to for he was
trying to create a vaccine. So again, just like Fauci,
scare mongered HIV, did the same thing with the with COVID,
(13:54):
and again it's just devastated people's lives. So again, that's
why he's a monster. Faut She is a monster. I
know he's all proud of being the most famous guy
in the world. He got to go down in history's
one of the most infamous villains, you.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Know, Senator, have you heard from some of the families
who have either you know, some individuals who have ever
experienced the vaccine injury themselves or maybe lost a loved one.
Since this text message about the miscarriages has surfaced to
the public, have you heard from some of these families
(14:30):
have just I imagine there's some feeling of, you know,
maybe we'll finally get some more answers, or maybe people
will start taking this a little bit more seriously.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Well, I think you know how well connected I am
to the injection injured community. Brand Dressed and React nineteen
those folks. But we're literally going to hold a here,
a public event on September twenty eighth on hospital protocols,
and I want that to be as fair and accurate
as possible. But no, I haven't. I've certainly heard people
like Megan McCain who suffered miscarriage. I've been in contact
(15:02):
with the doctor James Thorpe again a forty years practicing
gynecologists who saw these injection injuries. And of course now
his evaluation of that Chimbakuro study is being excoriated and uh,
you know, questioned in the media to the by the
Fauci apologists. But now this this is again what I appreciate.
(15:25):
The fact is the media is being forced to at
least debate the miscarriage rate, and quite honestly, the fact
that miscarriages increases is really indisputable. You talk to gynecologists
and they saw it in their practice.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Well also just feel like, you know, it's easier for
the media to dismiss, you know, a Republican senator or
you know media personality, but when you've got Fauci is
the person who they have put up as like this
hero and he's such a perfect person. When it's his
(16:01):
own messages and the things that he has said privately
coming out. It makes it a lot more difficult for
them to try to defend. And I think even if
they're just arguing over you know, stats and things of
that nature, people are still going to read that and
be like, Wow, there were concerns about miscarriages and no
one told me, And that's going to be real concern
to Americans with that.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Got to take a quick commercial break. Please stay with us.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
If you like what you're hearing, you like getting to
the truth, Please share this with your family and friends,
or share it on social media. Where do you think
this is going with Fauci? You know he plaed the
fifth I think it was one hundred and eleven times
if I remember correctly. I know there's been some things
expressed that he might be facing some legal liability. I
(16:47):
know he's facing legal liability in some states. I don't
know where's this going for Fauci specifically.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Do you think forget understand we just started getting documents. Yeah, no,
Senator Paul had his diaries last year. I had access
to hum ttil the week before the hearing, so you know,
we just got access to other devices so now we're
starting to look at some of his emails, which I
never had access to. So even though this has been
subject to subpoena, Bobby Kenny is not getting help within
(17:12):
the agency of being completely transparent. So it's been still
like pulling teeth. But now that we have the documents,
now we're expanding our search. Now we know more people
involved in this. I'm just putting request to Chris Klomp
about getting more devices. You know, do you have Wilenski's,
do you have Francis Collins? Do you have Peter Marks?
These people who left government services, they were using a
(17:35):
government devices, computers and phones. The government should have those
and they should be deleting. If you remember our investigation
into the Russian collusion hoax under Miller investigation, all those
FBI agents are all the DOJ the investigators are part
of Miller. The FPI just oh, by accident, they wiped
their devices. So I'm hoping that didn't happen. You know,
(17:58):
by the way, I'm suspicious it might because Thomson mccurl.
You know, we found out that he deleted emails, but
then we found out he did it under the auspices
of the General Council of HHS, and they not only
deleted from his device, but as we try to recover
those because it's really hard. It's really hard to delete
an email. You may put out of a device, but
(18:18):
it's somewhere, it's in the cloud, it's on a server.
Well it should have been on the servers of HHS.
But now we've discovered they were white from the server
of HHS. So there are more people involved here. So
in terms of accountability our investigation, trust me, I've been
trying to do this for you know, six years, but
Biden gave us nothing. I'm only starting getting documents because
(18:41):
the resistance in these agencies, So now we have documents.
I hate to say it, but our investigation is only
just begun.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You know, I believe I heard you say that even
RFK Junior is facing some resistance and he is the
AHHS secretary. You mentioned resistance at some of these agencies,
and you know President.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Trump's in charge. So how captured are some of these agencies?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Then? Like captured? So again you've got the career bureaucrats
who are culpable and complicit in these covers up were up?
You think you think they're going to be helpful again.
Tom schi mccrook. Just he deleted emails. He shouldn't have
a court when they found out about this, you know,
rebuilt the HHHS that the people in front of him,
(19:31):
but they deleted emails. So again you saw David Morns
And by the way, that was another email that my
staff kicked out of a need a lout of a
haystack with one hundred and fifteen thousand page production to
a university in Texas. So they're not offering this stuff up.
You know, when we do oversight letters, we offer very
targeted productions. You know, we're not looking for you know,
(19:52):
everything in the kitchen Saint. But they don't cooperate by
giving us what we Instead, they dumped eleven million pages.
Good luck work through it, okay, So you know that,
you know Kennedy is not being aided by the career
of bureaucrats within HHS. They're trying to cover it up.
They're trying to wait them out. They're trying to wake
me out. You know, hopefully we retain our majority. So
(20:13):
I retained subpoena power for the next two years. But
I'm sure people in the agencies are just hoping against all.
Hope the Democrats take control over the Senate and then
trust me, Blumenthal, he is not going to be digging
into this stuff at all.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So can you fire these bureaucrats.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Or it's very difficult too. They have you know, seeing
his senior service of civilian employees, it's it's very difficult
to fire people in these agencies. They've got all kinds
of protections.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So I know, different categories of federal employees are more
easily easily fireable than others. Start of saying, these guys
are the ones that are protected, then really tough.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, I mean political points they are gone, okay, But
at the senior level staff and these agencies, these bureaucrats
they've got they got major.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Protection, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
The same people who led us to stray and try
to cover it up still you know, helping to.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Run the show at some of these agencies.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
But again we're starting to get documents. You know, it
gets hard. It's hard to delete emails. You can need
to leave it up your Advite device. But somebody sent
the email to again the David Morrin's where he was
talking about he's got a poil lead. It shows him
how to delete emails. We didn't get that from Aja.
He was on the email change at a university. So
(21:32):
but again that's why these these investigations are not easy.
And let's face the Senate is not overly supportive investigations.
I'm the premier investigatory subcommittee of the Senate. I got
six full time investigators. That's it, Okay, that's with an
increase of budget under Chairman Paul. I was able to
convince Sharon Paul to give me bigger budgets so we
can do some of these things. But I've only got
(21:54):
six guys.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Why don't Democrats care about this?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
You know, I think it's pretty bipartisan at this point
to realize that we relied to and it costs people
a lot on both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So why don't they care?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Because Democrats love big government and the last thing you
do something you love is, you know, dig up dirt
on it to show people that it's not worth adoration.
And so no that they and I think they are
thoroughly captured by big farmer. The big farmer spends a
lot of money on media. Big farmers spends a lot
(22:34):
of money on campaigns. Big Farmers sprinkles generously to both
Democrats and Republicans, which is why I'm still conducting pretty
lonely investigations here. It's not like my colleagues are, hey, Brown,
you know what do you uncover? Now? What can we
do to help you to send me this information? They
see how I'm treating the media, they kind of would
(22:56):
rather not have that for them for themselves. So there's again,
there's a great deal resistance. Those of us who are
trying to get the truth out about this are up
against powerful, powerful forces.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I've got to say, you've got a freaking spine because you.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Know, a lot of times people are bold when you
know they represent like super super red districts and or states,
and you know they don't have to worry about re
election and they don't have to worry about winning tough
you know, general elections. But you represent Wisconsin and I've
lived in Wisconsin. I worked on the Tommy Thompson for
Senate campaign. It's a very purple state. It's a very
(23:31):
tricky state. I mean, freaking Tammy Baldwin, who is the
other senator from your state, is as liberal as they get.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So, like you were, like, there's a risk to what you're.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Saying here, you know, yeah, you've still managed to get
re elected.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I guess what do you want to leave us with.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
And all of this before we go, Well, first of all,
there's there's no risk to me because I'd rather go home.
And I think quite astley wiscout sites, whether they agree
disagree with me, at least understand that, I mean, this
guy is genuine. This guy's not you know, making himself
out to be something he's not, and truthfully, in a
very close election in twenty twenty two, I really think
(24:12):
the fact that I advocated for the injection injury that
I was trying to tell the truth about these things,
and I was trying to warn people, you know, get informed.
I think there are probably enough Democrats because I've had
them come up to me, so you know, I don't
agree with you out of anything, but boh, I appreciate
what you did there, and that might have just been
my margin where I won by a little bit more
than twenty thousand votes. So again, what I want to
(24:34):
leave people with is, please open your eyes. The truth
has been out there for years, but it's been suppressed
by by the legacy media quite honestly, and that's where
we have to get our That's where you have to
get this information from. So open up your eyes, be
open to things that you don't really want to admit,
(24:54):
because you know right now, nobody wants todmit they're wrong.
People don't if they if they got the injection, they
don't want to hear about ctential turbile cancers or lingering
issues with this. They just want to move on. But
we can't move on because if we move on and
we don't have a COVID reckoning, they'll do it to
us again, and we can't afford to have them do
what they did do us during COVID in the next
(25:15):
public health crisis.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That's a really good point. Senator Ron Johnson, so much
respect for you. Appreciate you always making the time and
being honest and fighting for the truth. Really appreciate you
and respect you.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Thank you for covering it because not everybody does have
a great day.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
That was Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin.
Appreciate him for coming on the show. Appreciate him for
fighting for the truth. Appreciate you guys at home for
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