September 11, 2026 • 28 mins
Tudor Dixon is joined by longtime Charlie Kirk friend and mentor Frank Turek for a powerful conversation marking the anniversary of Charlie’s assassination and examining the cultural battle over truth, faith, family, and freedom.
Turek discusses his new book, The War on Reality: Recovering Truth in a World That Celebrates Lies, which he dedicated to Charlie, and shares personal stories from the days leading up to Charlie’s death—including their private conversations about Christianity, government, marriage, Israel, and preparing for college campus debates.
Tudor and Turek also tackle socialism, cultural Marxism, DEI and “equity,” Hasan Piker, the decline of the nuclear family, transgender ideology, and why Christians cannot afford to disengage from politics and culture. Turek explains why he believes Charlie’s ultimate mission went far beyond politics: bringing young people closer to Christ and defending truth in a culture increasingly at war with reality.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You are listening to the Tudor Dixon podcast and this
is like a shocking week because here we are at
the anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And it's
weird because it feels like it happened yesterday and it
feels like it happened years ago. It's been such a
strange year as we've gone through and seen culture change
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so much and truth change so much and just reality.
I mean, as we're watching the reactions to Charlie's life,
the reactions to the Luigi Mangione case, and now the
Lindsay Clancy case, as we're watching all of this, it
feels like we are in a culture that we do
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not recognize. And I thought today would be a great
day to have one of Charlie's good friends joining me,
Frank Turek. Thank you so much for being on today.
You are a to Charlie. You have a new book
coming out. It's The War on Reality, Recovering Truth in
a World that Celebrates Lies, which you wrote in honor
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of Charlie, really. I mean, and that's what we're talking about.
I mean, where is truth right now?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, that's right, Tudor. In fact, this book was started
about nine months before the murder. But when Charlie was
murdered right next to me, I said, this book needs
to be dedicated to him because as so many people
are fighting against reality, Charlie was a brave warrior for reality.
And the author of reality is God himself. In fact,
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Jesus famously said, you shall know the truth and the
truth will set you free. That implies if you don't
have the truth, you're in bondage. And so Charlie was
trying to reach people by offering them the microphone and saying, Hey,
make your case. Let's have a discussion. And apparently a
radicalized leftist couldn't put up with that. Ironic that they
called Charlie a fascist because we all know, Tudor, that
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a typical fascist tactic is to hand your opponent the
microphone and said, let's have a conversation. Please make your
case right now. The guy that shot him was the fascist.
And so reality doesn't change. But people people's perception of
reality changes. And what we're trying to do with the
war on reality is to show people that their imperceptions
are false and And that they ought to get back
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to reality because, you know, Tudor, we can deny reality.
We can fight reality. But reality is undefeated. It's undefeated.
And eventually you're going to smack up against reality and
it's going to hurt. So you might as well just
just surrender to reality. In fact, Erica Kirk wrote the
foreword for this book. And can I just read a
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couple of sentences from her forward? Because this was profound.
I didn't know Erica very well prior to the murder,
but I've gotten to know her quite well since then.
And I actually said to her the other day, I said,
you've handled yourself so well over the past year that
I'm not sure even Charlie would have done as well
if the roles were reversed. And here's what she said
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in the foreword. And by the way, you don't need
to buy the book to read the foreword. It's at thewaronreality.com.
But here's what she said. Since September 10, 2025, I've
been faced with my own new reality, one that I
still wrestle with as I attempt to grasp its earthly permanence.
Quite honestly, it'll probably be like that for the rest
of my life. Yet what I've realized is that redefining
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my reality isn't what gives me peace. Surrendering to it does. Unquote.
she understands that you can't fight reality. You can only
surrender to it. And I think our biggest problem, which
led to his murder, by the way, was the fact
that people are in rebellion to reality. And Charlie was
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somebody who was bringing reality to people and they rebelled
against it and they shot him, just like they did
with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The reality of life, the reality of gender, the reality
of Economics of family. I mean, so many things that
he was able to bring to college students. And I
heard Jack Posobiec, we had him on and he was
talking about the contrast between Charlie.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And Hassan Piker.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And here's Charlie, who talked about family and the nuclear
family and the importance of family and of family taking
care of each other. and the importance of being able
to build up your own organization, your own business, entrepreneurship,
and the contrast of a Hassan Piker who has now
risen to this wild political fame.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And his message is one.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Of no nuclear family, of government control, of no private businesses,
of no private property. And yet we are still fighting
people who we thought were on our side who are
really trying to smear everything that Charlie did with these
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lies after the fact. To me, that is another incredibly
great frustration to see that we know a truth. We
know the truth that happened. We know that the evidence
is there for what happened to Charlie. And we have
been fighting people who are bad actors. And it just
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goes to show that there is truly evil in this world.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And that is something that this these spiritual forces are powerful.
And people complain about social media.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Boy, the devil just knows how to use things. I mean,
it's not it's not a there's not an app. That's
the problem. The devil is alive.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
In fact, Jesus and the apostles call Satan a murderer, liar, accuser,
and slanderer who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. We
had a murder last year, and then we had an event,
the memorial, where more people heard the gospel at one
time than at any point in human history from the
president on down. They're all talking about Jesus. But what
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have we had since then? Lies, accusations, and slander seeking
to steal, kill, and destroy. And people don't believe in
the demonic. How could it be more obvious? Of course,
Satan and demons are going to attack a revival that
broke out at that memorial. Of course, they're going to
attack it. That's just what Satan does, tears down. That's
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what Hasan Piker wants to do. He wants to tear
down something good because that's what evil is. Evil is
a privation of good. Evil tears things down. It can
take you 13 years to build an organization like TPUSA,
but people can try and tear it down in just
a month or two. It take you two years to
build a house. You can burn it down in five
minutes because tearing stuff down is easy. Building stuff up
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is hard. And for people like Ahsan Piker with their
crazy economic ideas, I simply ask this question. In fact,
Charlie asked this question. How many caravans do you know
going from the United States to Venezuela? Zero. They're all
going in the other direction. How many people get on
rickety boats in Florida to escape to Cuba?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
None.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
They're all coming the other way. How many people in
West Berlin, when the Berlin Wall was up, were trying
to escape to East Berlin? The answer, none. Everybody's going
the other way. Why? Because socialism doesn't work. It doesn't
produce freedom. It doesn't even produce food. All it produces
is murder. 100 million people dead by socialist communist regimes
in the last century, and we haven't learned our lesson yet?
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It just goes to show you we don't teach history anymore.
If we did, maybe we could figure out a way
to get people to realize that socialism is the last
thing you want. In fact, there was an old saying
in the Soviet Union. It went like this. The future
is known. The past is always changing.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Why?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Because if you could get people to believe that your
past was evil, you could get them to tear this
country down so the future is going to be different.
And that's what's going on here. You got a lot
of people doing historical revisionism.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, it's interesting because as you're telling me this,
I'm thinking about God's word is alive.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It's living. It's not the past. It's living.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And it hits you differently at different stages of life.
And that's why people are always telling people, stay in
the Word, stay in the Word, and it will get
you through experiences. You will see things in the Word
at different points in your life that you don't see.
And I remember as a child learning about envy and
envy being sin. And thinking like this was me wanting
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my friend's backpack or something like that, or wanting a
bigger house or wanting a pool, all of those things
that you think of in your child mind. And now
I have seen the power of envy and how the
devil has used envy to turn an entire culture around.
I mean, look at Hasan Piker goes out and says,
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you should have what your neighbor has. That's how they
get people to be mad. I mean, look at the
whole the whole idea of trans was you aren't the
gender that you say you are. You can have whatever
you want. You can you could just take it. We'll
give it to you. You should be jealous of a woman,
but you can be a woman. I mean, they have
weaponized envy and jealousy in such a strategic way.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's stunning.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, the way they do it is a tactic we
talk about in the book, The War on Reality. is
they whitewash evil with pleasant sounding words. So they want equity, right? Well,
equity sounds so good. Don't you want equity tutor? I mean, everyone,
you know, everyone should have the same, right? You're not
even going to get the same in heaven. According to Jesus,
he takes away the talent from the one guy who
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did nothing with it and gives it to the other
guy who doubled his talents, right? I mean, that's not equity.
That's justice. Uh, in fact, uh, a friend of mine
was at a conference here in Charlotte where I live and, uh,
the CEO of this firm got up and he said,
I believe in JEDI. You know, they added a J
to DEI, DEI, which stands for... I did not know that. Oh,
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you didn't hear about this? Okay, well, DEI stands for
didn't earn it. But what they... added to it is
a j for justice so it sounds better jedi right
so this guy gets up and he says i'm for
just i'm for jedi and if i was there i
would have said uh sir can i ask you a
question um does your secretary make as much as you
do You're right. And what's he going to say? Well, no, no. Oh,
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you don't believe in equity. You believe in justice because
equity and justice are opposites. Justice is everyone gets what
they deserve, whereas equity, everyone gets the same. You don't
believe in equity. You can't believe those two contradictory concepts
at the same time because you rightfully make more than
your secretary because you risk more and you bring more
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money into the firm. rather than what your secretary does.
That's justice. And yet you want to say you're for equity. No,
you're not for equity. Does Ahsan Piker, Charlie Kirk had
a debate with Ahsan Piker several years ago. How come
you're not giving your income away, Ahsan? You know what?
Why don't you start giving your income away? Why don't
you even it out with your neighbors? Because that's not
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the way human nature works, okay? I mean, Adam Smith
talked about this, you know, in 1776. It's not from
the benevolence of the brewer, the baker, or the butcher
that we get our dinner. It's from his own self-interest.
If he wants to get his own dinner, he's got
to please his customers. And that's what creates prosperity, not
the idea that we're just going to assign resources to
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people and they're going to be productive. That doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And why doesn't he do it in Turkey? That's where
he grew up. That's his home country. He can say
he's an American because he does have birthright citizenship. His
parents came here to give birth to him. They took
him back and they raised him in Turkey. He's now
back in the United States. And to your point, making
millions with a very successful podcast that he could not
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have in Turkey. And yet he is trying to destroy
what he has been able to build in the United States.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
And I believe.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
If Charlie were here, he would be pointing out the
fact that the elites never go down in socialism until
they are turned on. I mean, the Eric Swalwells of
the world exist even in socialism. Eventually, when they're done
with you, they just take you out, you know. But
these people don't think that they're going to be equal.
They think that they're going to control to make sure
we're equal. They think of themselves as different.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Oh, of course. The only people that went in socialism
are the elites. It's ironic because The socialists are the
ones saying, if you go with socialism, everyone's going to
get the same nonsense. Go to some of the socialist
countries and see how it's working out. Go to Cuba.
Go to Venezuela. Go to the former Soviet Union. Go
to these places and see how well people are doing.
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In fact, we talk about this in the book, too. Immigration. Tudor.
We have an immigration problem because everybody wants to come here.
Iran doesn't have an immigration problem. Cuba doesn't have an
immigration problem. Venezuela doesn't have an immigration. Nobody wants to
go there, right? The reason people want to come here
is because our system is so good, which has allowed
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us to become the most prosperous, benevolent country in history.
And the left wants to tear it down. There were
only eight Democrats last week that voted that socialism was
a bad idea in the House of Representatives. Only eight.
which means like 210 or so, whatever the other number is,
voted that socialism wasn't, they wouldn't say socialism was a
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bad thing. Are you out of your minds? I guess
they are.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But it is interesting because they went after Charlie. They
did not like what Charlie was saying. And there has
not been a voice that has been out there as
strong as his against like a Hassan Piker. And right now,
I don't think that Hassan could do what he's doing
as successfully as he's doing.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It if there were a counter on the other side.
Take us.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I just want to celebrate Charlie for a minute. We
this is we're at the anniversary of his death. But
I really want to celebrate his life and his ability
to connect with people and change and bring people to Christ.
I think that's what people don't understand. Charlie's goal was
not to bring people to the Republican Party. Charlie's goal
was to bring people to Christ. And that's a different
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type of goal. It just happens to be that when
you're on the right side of things, you're literally on
the right.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Side of things, right? You're on the God side of things.
That morning.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Everything we've heard was he was just so excited to
be there in Utah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It was like a kickoff, right? Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, that's why I was with him. And that's what
we talk about in the first chapter of The War
on Reality is that there was a murder on campus.
The reason I was with him is because we had
met on four occasions in Phoenix over the summer of 2025,
just so we could sharpen one another on answering questions
about Christianity on a college campus and other topics. And
I had been with him the two or three days
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prior to that. And so he said, hey, why don't
you just come with me to the first event? You know,
just jump on the plane and we'll go. OK, great.
So that's why I was there that day, because we
had worked together for the previous two days. And what
he what we were talking about the night of September 8th,
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which was the Monday he was murdered on the Wednesday,
the 10th. We went on this long walk after dinner
because not only would we meet during the day, but
Charlie would say, hey, after I put the kids down,
let's go on a long walk. We could talk about
whatever we want to talk about. Always with a 300-pound
armed bodyguard behind us, by the way. So that night
we talked about three topics that he brought up spontaneously.
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I didn't guide the conversation. He did. I said, let's
talk what you want to talk about. So first thing
he wanted to talk about was the government and particularly Islam.
that Islam is not compatible with the United States constitution.
And that's quite obvious, but of course people don't want
to believe it. Sharia law does not comport with the
first amendment. You don't have freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
freedom of assembly, freedom of petition, freedom of freedom of association.
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Like our first amendment gives us or freedom of the
press as Hassan Piker should know, because he was brought
up in Turkey. He knows that those, those rights don't
exist to the fullest extent they exist here. So we
wanted to talk about that. The second thing you want
to talk about was Christianity. and the evidence for it.
And we were pointing out that there's only two questions
or two facts you need to prove to show that
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Christianity is true. Number one, God exists. Number two, Jesus
predicted and accomplished his own resurrection from the dead. If
you can show those two facts are true, which is
what we tend to do in the work I do,
I conduct on college campuses. Then you can show the
whole Bible is the word of God and Christianity is true.
And then the third issue we wanted to talk about
was how could he get his generation, particularly younger people,
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to embrace marriage? The men were embracing it, the women
were not. And so we talked about that the longest
that night. Now, in retrospect, I didn't think of this
at the time, but in retrospect, after he was murdered,
I said, wow, Charlie was talking about the three institutions
God created, the government, the church, and the family. Charlie
was a big picture thinker. The next day, the day
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before he was murdered, we were in a Zoom meeting
that Charlie called with two people in Israel, two Israeli officials,
another Israeli here in America, myself, Mikey McCoy, and Blake
Neff were in this meeting with Charlie. And it was
all about how we could answer questions better on a
college campus regarding the Israel-Hamas conflict. And the idea that
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Charlie was giving up on Israel is complete nonsense. Charlie
was just doing his homework. We were doing our homework
that day to try and get more informed. So now
when you look at it, the government, the family, the
church and Israel, four things God has been concerned about.
That's what Charlie was concerned about.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Something you said struck me, and I think this is
something that people have not fully understood about Charlie. Charlie
was constantly learning, was constantly practicing. preparing, constantly practicing to
make sure he was able to give people the answers
that they were looking for. And that's what I think
is unique and why we haven't had that person rise
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up to the level that Charlie was. And I say
that because I think a lot of people just think, well,
I can go out there and talk too, because he
did it effortlessly. The way it appeared when you heard
him talking was that this was just off the top
of his head. But for him, the way it's been
described to me is it was like practice before a
big football game, that he was prepping constantly and playing
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off of somebody else, like yourself, to make sure that
the answers were correct. Tell me a little bit about
that prep so people understand that you don't go out
into the world unprepared and just spew words.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You have to be thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
No, Charlie... Never went to college, which is probably why
he wasn't messed up. He didn't go to the most
anti-Christian real estate in America. Charlie began to start TPUSA
when he was 18. And he took a lot of
classes from Hillsdale, just online himself. But he had mentors.
I was just one of them. I wasn't the only mentor.
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He had people like Dennis Prager was a mentor to him.
He had Jack Hibbs was a mentor to him. He
had Rob McCoy, who was a mentor to him. He
had James Orr, who's a a professor up at Cambridge.
I mean, he had plenty of people that he could
rely on, not just myself, to get answers to questions
that he might not know the answer to. And so
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he would interact with all those folks. Now, the reason
I was spending a lot of time with him is
because the college event was coming up. The college tour
was coming up. And that's what I've been doing for
20 years, going to college campuses, answering the same kind
of questions Charlie was answering, although mine were more along
the lines of, is Christianity true? Charlie started more on
the political side of things, but we both fielded questions
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from both sides, from politics and, of course, from Christianity
being true and theology, that kind of thing. So that's
why we were spending so much time together. And we
would look at videos that he had done and, you know,
how could he have done better? You of how could
he uncover the assumptions behind the question, that kind of thing.
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What points could he make better? That kind of thing.
And he would just bring up, you know, what do
you do when someone says X? And he'd ask me,
and then I'd say, here's what I'd do. Oh, that's good. Oh, no, no,
I would do this. You know, we just sharpen iron
with sharpen iron. We go back and forth on this stuff.
And so we talk a little bit about that in
the book, The War on Reality, because Charlie was a
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warrior for reality. And he was just, he was giving
people too much truth, Tudor, you know?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, and he was fighting the false teachers.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And I think this is something that we've been talking
about at church quite a bit. And it's something that
to me right now at this moment is so powerful
because look at what we're seeing out of Texas with
James Tallarico. And he's trying to back off of these
comments now, but... He is involved in a church that
is full of false teachers.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And he is one of them.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Here he is with a platform going out and saying
God is non-binary. This is significant stuff that we have
to contend with.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, the same guy that said Drag Queen Story Hour
is a good thing. Also said that we can't teach
kids Bible stories. That would be immoral. You go, wait, whoa, whoa, wait,
hold on. Drag queen story hours good and Bible stories
are bad. This guy calls himself a Christian. Yeah, he's
a Christian like Bill Clinton was a Baptist. or Joe
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Biden was a Catholic. They completely ignore what the Catholic
church or the Baptist church was teaching, what the scriptures
are teaching. And they're just out there claiming to be
Christians when in fact their fruit is not showing that
they indeed are Christians. And by the way, we have
an entire chapter in this book on why Christians ought
to be involved in politics. Can I just give you
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two of them? Yeah, please. Because the chapter has 10 reasons,
but here are just two. When people say this to me,
and a lot of pastors say this, Tudor, they say, look,
I don't get involved in politics. I just preach the gospel.
I always say this back to them. I guess you
don't think the gospel is very important then. And they go, well,
what do you mean? I say, because politics affects your
ability to preach the gospel. If you don't think so,
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you can go to some of the countries I've been to.
I've been to Iran. There's no First Baptist Church of Tehran.
I checked, Tudor, not there. I've been to Saudi Arabia.
There's no Calvary Chapel of Mecca. They don't allow it.
I just got back several months ago from Egypt. If
you want to start Grace Church in Egypt, you're going
to have trouble. They don't want you there politically because
politics affects your ability to preach and live the gospel.
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There's no Tudor Dixon podcast in Saudi Arabia. They don't
allow it. You need to put on a hijab and
shut up, according to them, right? And then the second
reason we have to be involved, out of 10, there's
a whole bunch more in the book, is that we're
called to love people. And when we have the capacity
to put laws in place to protect innocent people from evil,
if we don't do it, James says, that's a sin
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of omission. If we know that people are going to
be hurt by laws that we failed to pass, if
we had passed these laws, these people wouldn't be hurt.
And we don't take that opportunity, then we're not really
loving people. In fact, maybe this is the acid question.
I ask people this question all the time. for the
people who say we shouldn't be involved in politics, are
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you telling me that 165 years ago that Christians should
not have gotten involved in politics to outlaw slavery? Is
that what you're saying? Right. At that point, they kind
of bail out and they go, yeah, you're right. I say,
welcome to politics, ladies and gentlemen. If you don't think
you ought to be involved in politics, I'll tell you
who does think they ought to be involved in politics.
The Muslims think so. The Marxists think so. The secularists
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think so.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, we just, we actually just, I was On
Salem radio last week, and we just played a clip
of a Muslim imam who was saying, we are using
the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, the Tucker Carlson's, the Thomas Massey's
of the world to get in there. He said, it
doesn't matter if they're right or left. We are going
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to use them to get our agenda across. That's not
a political agenda. That is a Muslim Islamist agenda that
they want to pass.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What is a political agenda?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Imagine if somebody was saying we're going to force Christianity
on the world.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, no, we're not saying that. What we want to
enforce is freedom. You have the freedom to live your
life within certain boundaries according to what your religious convictions are.
Of course, Sharia law breaks those boundaries because the First
Amendment does not give any religion the freedom of religion
to take the freedom of religion from every other religion,
which is what Sharia law will do. Sharia law will
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impose religious rites and rituals on people inconsistent with the
natural law, Christianity will impose freedom on people within certain
reasonable boundaries, according to natural law, because there's a difference
between legislating morality, which all laws do, and legislating religion.
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Muslims want to legislate religion. Christians want to legislate morality.
And all laws legislate morality. The only question is whose morality.
And Tudor, I don't want to legislate my morality. I
don't want to legislate your morality. I want to legislate
the morality. The one Thomas Jefferson said was self-evident. The
one the Apostle Paul said, the Gentiles are not of
the law, have the law written on their hearts. But
Sharia law is a whole nother thing. It's not just morality.
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It's an entire religion imposing itself on people.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Well, and I'd love to get, I know we don't
have time today, but I would love to get into
what you said at the beginning of this podcast about
the women in who are shying away from marriage and
how that, it's interesting because the people who want those
constructs and want the husband to control, they're the ones
that are causing the chaos in the country now so
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that they can then come in and take over a
vulnerable population. And that's what, oh, it makes me so
upset where these women are not seeing that they are
fighting for their rights to actually be taken away. That's
why I think turning point is so critical that Charlie's
work is finished, that the young men have reality brought
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to them, but also that the young women have someone
coming around them.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
As I see this Lindsay Clancy trial and I see.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The women who came out and said, I am Lindsay Clancy.
I'm just like her. I thought, oh my goodness, how
did we get here? How are we in a situation
where women are not understanding the beauty of their own family?
And that to me is is a major part of
the war on reality. But before I let you go,
just really quick, I want you to tell people where
they get it. It's the war on reality, recovering truth
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in a world that celebrates lies.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, wherever you get books, Amazon, Christian book, wherever you
get it, just came out Tuesday the 8th. And it's
got a lot of topics in it. It's not just
identity or Christian nationalism. It's also men and women's sports, transgenderism, immigration, Hamas, Israel.
We take on abortion, racism, the whole idea of social
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justice and all that. We cover that oppressed oppressor, which
once you see chapter 10, you see the chart on
page 192 in chapter 10, you go, oh, now I
see why we have a war on reality. Charlie was
killed because he was considered an oppressor. He was a
white Christian male who was a U.S. citizen. And that's
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that's an oppressor, according to cultural Marxism. it's really crazy
with people. We're not judging people, as Martin Luther King said,
on the content of their character anymore. Now we're judging
them on the color of their skin, what their gender is,
whether they're a citizen or not, whether they're male or female.
I mean, this is, it's anti-biblical too. And that's what
we cover in this book, The War on Reality, forward
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by Erica Kirk.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, God bless you, Frank. God bless Erica. I mean,
I'm following this and I'm just thinking to myself, in 22,
we were out there fighting to say life matters. And
I remember at the time saying, if life doesn't matter
in the womb, it's not going to matter outside.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Of the womb.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And obviously, we've seen so much death and destruction since then.
And I'm so glad you are carrying on. Frank Turek,
thank you so much for being on today.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Thanks, Tudor. God bless you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
God bless you. And thank you all for joining us
on the Tudor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know where to get it, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Rumble,
or YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Share it. Share Charlie's legacy. God bless Charlie's family. And
God bless you. Have a blessed day.
You are listening to the Tudor Dixon podcast and this
is like a shocking week because here we are at
the anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And it's
weird because it feels like it happened yesterday and it
feels like it happened years ago. It's been such a
strange year as we've gone through and seen culture change
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so much and truth change so much and just reality.
I mean, as we're watching the reactions to Charlie's life,
the reactions to the Luigi Mangione case, and now the
Lindsay Clancy case, as we're watching all of this, it
feels like we are in a culture that we do
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not recognize. And I thought today would be a great
day to have one of Charlie's good friends joining me,
Frank Turek. Thank you so much for being on today.
You are a to Charlie. You have a new book
coming out. It's The War on Reality, Recovering Truth in
a World that Celebrates Lies, which you wrote in honor
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of Charlie, really. I mean, and that's what we're talking about.
I mean, where is truth right now?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, that's right, Tudor. In fact, this book was started
about nine months before the murder. But when Charlie was
murdered right next to me, I said, this book needs
to be dedicated to him because as so many people
are fighting against reality, Charlie was a brave warrior for reality.
And the author of reality is God himself. In fact,
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Jesus famously said, you shall know the truth and the
truth will set you free. That implies if you don't
have the truth, you're in bondage. And so Charlie was
trying to reach people by offering them the microphone and saying, Hey,
make your case. Let's have a discussion. And apparently a
radicalized leftist couldn't put up with that. Ironic that they
called Charlie a fascist because we all know, Tudor, that
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a typical fascist tactic is to hand your opponent the
microphone and said, let's have a conversation. Please make your
case right now. The guy that shot him was the fascist.
And so reality doesn't change. But people people's perception of
reality changes. And what we're trying to do with the
war on reality is to show people that their imperceptions
are false and And that they ought to get back
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to reality because, you know, Tudor, we can deny reality.
We can fight reality. But reality is undefeated. It's undefeated.
And eventually you're going to smack up against reality and
it's going to hurt. So you might as well just
just surrender to reality. In fact, Erica Kirk wrote the
foreword for this book. And can I just read a
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couple of sentences from her forward? Because this was profound.
I didn't know Erica very well prior to the murder,
but I've gotten to know her quite well since then.
And I actually said to her the other day, I said,
you've handled yourself so well over the past year that
I'm not sure even Charlie would have done as well
if the roles were reversed. And here's what she said
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in the foreword. And by the way, you don't need
to buy the book to read the foreword. It's at thewaronreality.com.
But here's what she said. Since September 10, 2025, I've
been faced with my own new reality, one that I
still wrestle with as I attempt to grasp its earthly permanence.
Quite honestly, it'll probably be like that for the rest
of my life. Yet what I've realized is that redefining
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my reality isn't what gives me peace. Surrendering to it does. Unquote.
she understands that you can't fight reality. You can only
surrender to it. And I think our biggest problem, which
led to his murder, by the way, was the fact
that people are in rebellion to reality. And Charlie was
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somebody who was bringing reality to people and they rebelled
against it and they shot him, just like they did
with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The reality of life, the reality of gender, the reality
of Economics of family. I mean, so many things that
he was able to bring to college students. And I
heard Jack Posobiec, we had him on and he was
talking about the contrast between Charlie.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And Hassan Piker.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And here's Charlie, who talked about family and the nuclear
family and the importance of family and of family taking
care of each other. and the importance of being able
to build up your own organization, your own business, entrepreneurship,
and the contrast of a Hassan Piker who has now
risen to this wild political fame.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And his message is one.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Of no nuclear family, of government control, of no private businesses,
of no private property. And yet we are still fighting
people who we thought were on our side who are
really trying to smear everything that Charlie did with these
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lies after the fact. To me, that is another incredibly
great frustration to see that we know a truth. We
know the truth that happened. We know that the evidence
is there for what happened to Charlie. And we have
been fighting people who are bad actors. And it just
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goes to show that there is truly evil in this world.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Well, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And that is something that this these spiritual forces are powerful.
And people complain about social media.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Boy, the devil just knows how to use things. I mean,
it's not it's not a there's not an app. That's
the problem. The devil is alive.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
In fact, Jesus and the apostles call Satan a murderer, liar, accuser,
and slanderer who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. We
had a murder last year, and then we had an event,
the memorial, where more people heard the gospel at one
time than at any point in human history from the
president on down. They're all talking about Jesus. But what
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have we had since then? Lies, accusations, and slander seeking
to steal, kill, and destroy. And people don't believe in
the demonic. How could it be more obvious? Of course,
Satan and demons are going to attack a revival that
broke out at that memorial. Of course, they're going to
attack it. That's just what Satan does, tears down. That's
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what Hasan Piker wants to do. He wants to tear
down something good because that's what evil is. Evil is
a privation of good. Evil tears things down. It can
take you 13 years to build an organization like TPUSA,
but people can try and tear it down in just
a month or two. It take you two years to
build a house. You can burn it down in five
minutes because tearing stuff down is easy. Building stuff up
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is hard. And for people like Ahsan Piker with their
crazy economic ideas, I simply ask this question. In fact,
Charlie asked this question. How many caravans do you know
going from the United States to Venezuela? Zero. They're all
going in the other direction. How many people get on
rickety boats in Florida to escape to Cuba?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
None.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
They're all coming the other way. How many people in
West Berlin, when the Berlin Wall was up, were trying
to escape to East Berlin? The answer, none. Everybody's going
the other way. Why? Because socialism doesn't work. It doesn't
produce freedom. It doesn't even produce food. All it produces
is murder. 100 million people dead by socialist communist regimes
in the last century, and we haven't learned our lesson yet?
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It just goes to show you we don't teach history anymore.
If we did, maybe we could figure out a way
to get people to realize that socialism is the last
thing you want. In fact, there was an old saying
in the Soviet Union. It went like this. The future
is known. The past is always changing.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Why?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Because if you could get people to believe that your
past was evil, you could get them to tear this
country down so the future is going to be different.
And that's what's going on here. You got a lot
of people doing historical revisionism.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, it's interesting because as you're telling me this,
I'm thinking about God's word is alive.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It's living. It's not the past. It's living.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And it hits you differently at different stages of life.
And that's why people are always telling people, stay in
the Word, stay in the Word, and it will get
you through experiences. You will see things in the Word
at different points in your life that you don't see.
And I remember as a child learning about envy and
envy being sin. And thinking like this was me wanting
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my friend's backpack or something like that, or wanting a
bigger house or wanting a pool, all of those things
that you think of in your child mind. And now
I have seen the power of envy and how the
devil has used envy to turn an entire culture around.
I mean, look at Hasan Piker goes out and says,
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you should have what your neighbor has. That's how they
get people to be mad. I mean, look at the
whole the whole idea of trans was you aren't the
gender that you say you are. You can have whatever
you want. You can you could just take it. We'll
give it to you. You should be jealous of a woman,
but you can be a woman. I mean, they have
weaponized envy and jealousy in such a strategic way.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's stunning.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, the way they do it is a tactic we
talk about in the book, The War on Reality. is
they whitewash evil with pleasant sounding words. So they want equity, right? Well,
equity sounds so good. Don't you want equity tutor? I mean, everyone,
you know, everyone should have the same, right? You're not
even going to get the same in heaven. According to Jesus,
he takes away the talent from the one guy who
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did nothing with it and gives it to the other
guy who doubled his talents, right? I mean, that's not equity.
That's justice. Uh, in fact, uh, a friend of mine
was at a conference here in Charlotte where I live and, uh,
the CEO of this firm got up and he said,
I believe in JEDI. You know, they added a J
to DEI, DEI, which stands for... I did not know that. Oh,
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you didn't hear about this? Okay, well, DEI stands for
didn't earn it. But what they... added to it is
a j for justice so it sounds better jedi right
so this guy gets up and he says i'm for
just i'm for jedi and if i was there i
would have said uh sir can i ask you a
question um does your secretary make as much as you
do You're right. And what's he going to say? Well, no, no. Oh,
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you don't believe in equity. You believe in justice because
equity and justice are opposites. Justice is everyone gets what
they deserve, whereas equity, everyone gets the same. You don't
believe in equity. You can't believe those two contradictory concepts
at the same time because you rightfully make more than
your secretary because you risk more and you bring more
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money into the firm. rather than what your secretary does.
That's justice. And yet you want to say you're for equity. No,
you're not for equity. Does Ahsan Piker, Charlie Kirk had
a debate with Ahsan Piker several years ago. How come
you're not giving your income away, Ahsan? You know what?
Why don't you start giving your income away? Why don't
you even it out with your neighbors? Because that's not
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the way human nature works, okay? I mean, Adam Smith
talked about this, you know, in 1776. It's not from
the benevolence of the brewer, the baker, or the butcher
that we get our dinner. It's from his own self-interest.
If he wants to get his own dinner, he's got
to please his customers. And that's what creates prosperity, not
the idea that we're just going to assign resources to
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people and they're going to be productive. That doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And why doesn't he do it in Turkey? That's where
he grew up. That's his home country. He can say
he's an American because he does have birthright citizenship. His
parents came here to give birth to him. They took
him back and they raised him in Turkey. He's now
back in the United States. And to your point, making
millions with a very successful podcast that he could not
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have in Turkey. And yet he is trying to destroy
what he has been able to build in the United States.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
And I believe.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
If Charlie were here, he would be pointing out the
fact that the elites never go down in socialism until
they are turned on. I mean, the Eric Swalwells of
the world exist even in socialism. Eventually, when they're done
with you, they just take you out, you know. But
these people don't think that they're going to be equal.
They think that they're going to control to make sure
we're equal. They think of themselves as different.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Oh, of course. The only people that went in socialism
are the elites. It's ironic because The socialists are the
ones saying, if you go with socialism, everyone's going to
get the same nonsense. Go to some of the socialist
countries and see how it's working out. Go to Cuba.
Go to Venezuela. Go to the former Soviet Union. Go
to these places and see how well people are doing.
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In fact, we talk about this in the book, too. Immigration. Tudor.
We have an immigration problem because everybody wants to come here.
Iran doesn't have an immigration problem. Cuba doesn't have an
immigration problem. Venezuela doesn't have an immigration. Nobody wants to
go there, right? The reason people want to come here
is because our system is so good, which has allowed
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us to become the most prosperous, benevolent country in history.
And the left wants to tear it down. There were
only eight Democrats last week that voted that socialism was
a bad idea in the House of Representatives. Only eight.
which means like 210 or so, whatever the other number is,
voted that socialism wasn't, they wouldn't say socialism was a
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bad thing. Are you out of your minds? I guess
they are.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
But it is interesting because they went after Charlie. They
did not like what Charlie was saying. And there has
not been a voice that has been out there as
strong as his against like a Hassan Piker. And right now,
I don't think that Hassan could do what he's doing
as successfully as he's doing.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It if there were a counter on the other side.
Take us.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I just want to celebrate Charlie for a minute. We
this is we're at the anniversary of his death. But
I really want to celebrate his life and his ability
to connect with people and change and bring people to Christ.
I think that's what people don't understand. Charlie's goal was
not to bring people to the Republican Party. Charlie's goal
was to bring people to Christ. And that's a different
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type of goal. It just happens to be that when
you're on the right side of things, you're literally on
the right.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Side of things, right? You're on the God side of things.
That morning.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Everything we've heard was he was just so excited to
be there in Utah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It was like a kickoff, right? Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, that's why I was with him. And that's what
we talk about in the first chapter of The War
on Reality is that there was a murder on campus.
The reason I was with him is because we had
met on four occasions in Phoenix over the summer of 2025,
just so we could sharpen one another on answering questions
about Christianity on a college campus and other topics. And
I had been with him the two or three days
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prior to that. And so he said, hey, why don't
you just come with me to the first event? You know,
just jump on the plane and we'll go. OK, great.
So that's why I was there that day, because we
had worked together for the previous two days. And what
he what we were talking about the night of September 8th,
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which was the Monday he was murdered on the Wednesday,
the 10th. We went on this long walk after dinner
because not only would we meet during the day, but
Charlie would say, hey, after I put the kids down,
let's go on a long walk. We could talk about
whatever we want to talk about. Always with a 300-pound
armed bodyguard behind us, by the way. So that night
we talked about three topics that he brought up spontaneously.
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I didn't guide the conversation. He did. I said, let's
talk what you want to talk about. So first thing
he wanted to talk about was the government and particularly Islam.
that Islam is not compatible with the United States constitution.
And that's quite obvious, but of course people don't want
to believe it. Sharia law does not comport with the
first amendment. You don't have freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
freedom of assembly, freedom of petition, freedom of freedom of association.
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Like our first amendment gives us or freedom of the
press as Hassan Piker should know, because he was brought
up in Turkey. He knows that those, those rights don't
exist to the fullest extent they exist here. So we
wanted to talk about that. The second thing you want
to talk about was Christianity. and the evidence for it.
And we were pointing out that there's only two questions
or two facts you need to prove to show that
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Christianity is true. Number one, God exists. Number two, Jesus
predicted and accomplished his own resurrection from the dead. If
you can show those two facts are true, which is
what we tend to do in the work I do,
I conduct on college campuses. Then you can show the
whole Bible is the word of God and Christianity is true.
And then the third issue we wanted to talk about
was how could he get his generation, particularly younger people,
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to embrace marriage? The men were embracing it, the women
were not. And so we talked about that the longest
that night. Now, in retrospect, I didn't think of this
at the time, but in retrospect, after he was murdered,
I said, wow, Charlie was talking about the three institutions
God created, the government, the church, and the family. Charlie
was a big picture thinker. The next day, the day
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before he was murdered, we were in a Zoom meeting
that Charlie called with two people in Israel, two Israeli officials,
another Israeli here in America, myself, Mikey McCoy, and Blake
Neff were in this meeting with Charlie. And it was
all about how we could answer questions better on a
college campus regarding the Israel-Hamas conflict. And the idea that
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Charlie was giving up on Israel is complete nonsense. Charlie
was just doing his homework. We were doing our homework
that day to try and get more informed. So now
when you look at it, the government, the family, the
church and Israel, four things God has been concerned about.
That's what Charlie was concerned about.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Something you said struck me, and I think this is
something that people have not fully understood about Charlie. Charlie
was constantly learning, was constantly practicing. preparing, constantly practicing to
make sure he was able to give people the answers
that they were looking for. And that's what I think
is unique and why we haven't had that person rise
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up to the level that Charlie was. And I say
that because I think a lot of people just think, well,
I can go out there and talk too, because he
did it effortlessly. The way it appeared when you heard
him talking was that this was just off the top
of his head. But for him, the way it's been
described to me is it was like practice before a
big football game, that he was prepping constantly and playing
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off of somebody else, like yourself, to make sure that
the answers were correct. Tell me a little bit about
that prep so people understand that you don't go out
into the world unprepared and just spew words.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You have to be thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
No, Charlie... Never went to college, which is probably why
he wasn't messed up. He didn't go to the most
anti-Christian real estate in America. Charlie began to start TPUSA
when he was 18. And he took a lot of
classes from Hillsdale, just online himself. But he had mentors.
I was just one of them. I wasn't the only mentor.
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He had people like Dennis Prager was a mentor to him.
He had Jack Hibbs was a mentor to him. He
had Rob McCoy, who was a mentor to him. He
had James Orr, who's a a professor up at Cambridge.
I mean, he had plenty of people that he could
rely on, not just myself, to get answers to questions
that he might not know the answer to. And so
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he would interact with all those folks. Now, the reason
I was spending a lot of time with him is
because the college event was coming up. The college tour
was coming up. And that's what I've been doing for
20 years, going to college campuses, answering the same kind
of questions Charlie was answering, although mine were more along
the lines of, is Christianity true? Charlie started more on
the political side of things, but we both fielded questions
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from both sides, from politics and, of course, from Christianity
being true and theology, that kind of thing. So that's
why we were spending so much time together. And we
would look at videos that he had done and, you know,
how could he have done better? You of how could
he uncover the assumptions behind the question, that kind of thing.
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What points could he make better? That kind of thing.
And he would just bring up, you know, what do
you do when someone says X? And he'd ask me,
and then I'd say, here's what I'd do. Oh, that's good. Oh, no, no,
I would do this. You know, we just sharpen iron
with sharpen iron. We go back and forth on this stuff.
And so we talk a little bit about that in
the book, The War on Reality, because Charlie was a
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warrior for reality. And he was just, he was giving
people too much truth, Tudor, you know?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, and he was fighting the false teachers.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And I think this is something that we've been talking
about at church quite a bit. And it's something that
to me right now at this moment is so powerful
because look at what we're seeing out of Texas with
James Tallarico. And he's trying to back off of these
comments now, but... He is involved in a church that
is full of false teachers.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And he is one of them.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Here he is with a platform going out and saying
God is non-binary. This is significant stuff that we have
to contend with.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, the same guy that said Drag Queen Story Hour
is a good thing. Also said that we can't teach
kids Bible stories. That would be immoral. You go, wait, whoa, whoa, wait,
hold on. Drag queen story hours good and Bible stories
are bad. This guy calls himself a Christian. Yeah, he's
a Christian like Bill Clinton was a Baptist. or Joe
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Biden was a Catholic. They completely ignore what the Catholic
church or the Baptist church was teaching, what the scriptures
are teaching. And they're just out there claiming to be
Christians when in fact their fruit is not showing that
they indeed are Christians. And by the way, we have
an entire chapter in this book on why Christians ought
to be involved in politics. Can I just give you
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two of them? Yeah, please. Because the chapter has 10 reasons,
but here are just two. When people say this to me,
and a lot of pastors say this, Tudor, they say, look,
I don't get involved in politics. I just preach the gospel.
I always say this back to them. I guess you
don't think the gospel is very important then. And they go, well,
what do you mean? I say, because politics affects your
ability to preach the gospel. If you don't think so,
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you can go to some of the countries I've been to.
I've been to Iran. There's no First Baptist Church of Tehran.
I checked, Tudor, not there. I've been to Saudi Arabia.
There's no Calvary Chapel of Mecca. They don't allow it.
I just got back several months ago from Egypt. If
you want to start Grace Church in Egypt, you're going
to have trouble. They don't want you there politically because
politics affects your ability to preach and live the gospel.
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There's no Tudor Dixon podcast in Saudi Arabia. They don't
allow it. You need to put on a hijab and
shut up, according to them, right? And then the second
reason we have to be involved, out of 10, there's
a whole bunch more in the book, is that we're
called to love people. And when we have the capacity
to put laws in place to protect innocent people from evil,
if we don't do it, James says, that's a sin
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of omission. If we know that people are going to
be hurt by laws that we failed to pass, if
we had passed these laws, these people wouldn't be hurt.
And we don't take that opportunity, then we're not really
loving people. In fact, maybe this is the acid question.
I ask people this question all the time. for the
people who say we shouldn't be involved in politics, are
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you telling me that 165 years ago that Christians should
not have gotten involved in politics to outlaw slavery? Is
that what you're saying? Right. At that point, they kind
of bail out and they go, yeah, you're right. I say,
welcome to politics, ladies and gentlemen. If you don't think
you ought to be involved in politics, I'll tell you
who does think they ought to be involved in politics.
The Muslims think so. The Marxists think so. The secularists
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think so.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, we just, we actually just, I was On
Salem radio last week, and we just played a clip
of a Muslim imam who was saying, we are using
the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, the Tucker Carlson's, the Thomas Massey's
of the world to get in there. He said, it
doesn't matter if they're right or left. We are going
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to use them to get our agenda across. That's not
a political agenda. That is a Muslim Islamist agenda that
they want to pass.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What is a political agenda?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Imagine if somebody was saying we're going to force Christianity
on the world.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, no, we're not saying that. What we want to
enforce is freedom. You have the freedom to live your
life within certain boundaries according to what your religious convictions are.
Of course, Sharia law breaks those boundaries because the First
Amendment does not give any religion the freedom of religion
to take the freedom of religion from every other religion,
which is what Sharia law will do. Sharia law will
(24:39):
impose religious rites and rituals on people inconsistent with the
natural law, Christianity will impose freedom on people within certain
reasonable boundaries, according to natural law, because there's a difference
between legislating morality, which all laws do, and legislating religion.
(24:59):
Muslims want to legislate religion. Christians want to legislate morality.
And all laws legislate morality. The only question is whose morality.
And Tudor, I don't want to legislate my morality. I
don't want to legislate your morality. I want to legislate
the morality. The one Thomas Jefferson said was self-evident. The
one the Apostle Paul said, the Gentiles are not of
the law, have the law written on their hearts. But
Sharia law is a whole nother thing. It's not just morality.
(25:22):
It's an entire religion imposing itself on people.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Well, and I'd love to get, I know we don't
have time today, but I would love to get into
what you said at the beginning of this podcast about
the women in who are shying away from marriage and
how that, it's interesting because the people who want those
constructs and want the husband to control, they're the ones
that are causing the chaos in the country now so
(25:46):
that they can then come in and take over a
vulnerable population. And that's what, oh, it makes me so
upset where these women are not seeing that they are
fighting for their rights to actually be taken away. That's
why I think turning point is so critical that Charlie's
work is finished, that the young men have reality brought
(26:07):
to them, but also that the young women have someone
coming around them.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
As I see this Lindsay Clancy trial and I see.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The women who came out and said, I am Lindsay Clancy.
I'm just like her. I thought, oh my goodness, how
did we get here? How are we in a situation
where women are not understanding the beauty of their own family?
And that to me is is a major part of
the war on reality. But before I let you go,
just really quick, I want you to tell people where
they get it. It's the war on reality, recovering truth
(26:36):
in a world that celebrates lies.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, wherever you get books, Amazon, Christian book, wherever you
get it, just came out Tuesday the 8th. And it's
got a lot of topics in it. It's not just
identity or Christian nationalism. It's also men and women's sports, transgenderism, immigration, Hamas, Israel.
We take on abortion, racism, the whole idea of social
(27:01):
justice and all that. We cover that oppressed oppressor, which
once you see chapter 10, you see the chart on
page 192 in chapter 10, you go, oh, now I
see why we have a war on reality. Charlie was
killed because he was considered an oppressor. He was a
white Christian male who was a U.S. citizen. And that's
(27:21):
that's an oppressor, according to cultural Marxism. it's really crazy
with people. We're not judging people, as Martin Luther King said,
on the content of their character anymore. Now we're judging
them on the color of their skin, what their gender is,
whether they're a citizen or not, whether they're male or female.
I mean, this is, it's anti-biblical too. And that's what
we cover in this book, The War on Reality, forward
(27:43):
by Erica Kirk.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, God bless you, Frank. God bless Erica. I mean,
I'm following this and I'm just thinking to myself, in 22,
we were out there fighting to say life matters. And
I remember at the time saying, if life doesn't matter
in the womb, it's not going to matter outside.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Of the womb.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And obviously, we've seen so much death and destruction since then.
And I'm so glad you are carrying on. Frank Turek,
thank you so much for being on today.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Thanks, Tudor. God bless you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
God bless you. And thank you all for joining us
on the Tudor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know where to get it, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Rumble,
or YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Share it. Share Charlie's legacy. God bless Charlie's family. And
God bless you. Have a blessed day.
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