September 4, 2026 • 34 mins
Jack Posobiec joins Tudor Dixon to sound the alarm over what he sees as the growing influence of socialism in America — and why conservatives may be fighting it the wrong way.
Posobiec, senior editor at Human Events and co-author of Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions (and How to Crush Them), discusses the new edition of the book and argues that socialist politics are gaining traction with younger and middle-class Americans frustrated by the economy, jobs, immigration, and the political establishment.
Tudor and Posobiec examine the rise of socialist candidates across the country, including Michigan U.S. Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed, and discuss how economic resentment, institutional influence, and political loyalty can fuel revolutionary movements.
They also take a closer look at El-Sayed’s political record and past views, the battle over the nuclear family, the legacy of COVID-era government power, political violence, Charlie Kirk, Luigi Mangione, and why Posobiec believes Americans need to understand the tactics historically used by communist and socialist movements before those ideas gain even more political power.
Plus, Posobiec explains what history — from the Soviet Union and communist China to Eastern Europe — can teach Americans about revolutionary politics and why he believes the United States is facing a critical ideological battle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Tudor Dixon Podcast, and today
we have Jack Posobiec with us. He is the senior
editor at Human Events, and he's coming out with the
second edition of his book on humans, Socialist Revolution Tactics
for Patriots to Survive a Communist Uprising. It's coming out
on September 29th. Jack, it couldn't be better timing, sadly enough.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm in Michigan. Obviously, we're seeing it. We're seeing it everywhere, though.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, no, Tudor, thanks for having me on. And you're
absolutely right, though. Michigan, I think, is ground zero with El-Said,
who you have there running for the United States Senate,
who a lot of polls have up in the Senate
in this campaign right now. And one of the reasons
that we put the new book out and did this
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update with the 14 new chapters is that I think
that from two perspectives— There's two perspectives on it where
I think that particularly a lot of people don't understand
what's going on and they don't understand not only why
socialism is on the rise, why those candidates are winning
on their own side, but also why more and more people,
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particularly those under 40, particularly those in the middle class,
are now reaching over and saying, you know what, maybe
I am interested in this type of politics. I'm not
from Michigan, but I am from Pennsylvania. So, you know,
card carrying member of the.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Rust Belt, I guess. So I get a lot of this.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And I think that a lot of folks do like
yourself for people who are not, you know, in Washington, D.C.
or in other places who are not familiar with these areas,
not familiar with the situation on the ground.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It can come as quite a shock.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
When they see these types of candidates winning, but we've
seen it now in New York City, now has a
socialist mayor.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Washington, D.C.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Is on track to have a socialist mayor. She just
won the primary, so probably will win the general. In November,
this Janice George down in D.C., Katie Wilson is the
now socialist mayor of Seattle.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Angie Nixon is running in Florida.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And so, again, you have candidates, and there's many more
candidates at the congressional level who are running, that are
openly espousing socialism. And Bernie Sanders, he did a lot
to change the sound of the word socialist in our
country today.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I think that a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Of people who might either be older, who might be
in DC, who might be disconnected, don't realize what's happening
on the ground.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, I talked to someone in Florida just yesterday, and
she was like, you know, we just don't feel it
down here. I think that people are freaking out about something, but,
you know, we're going to be the ones that hold
the country together. And I was like, okay, that can
only last for so long. It's kind of like a
bad apple ruins the whole bunch. You know, once you
get one state that has gone this direction, it's really
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hard to fight back. That's why I'm frustrated with the Democrats,
that they're not fighting back. When I hear people like
Roy Cooper say it's a big tent, everybody should be
in it. I think, how can you do this when
you know we lose the country? And I don't believe
that it's.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I don't even believe it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
When they say, well, we're going to bring socialism here
and everybody's going to have all this good stuff. I
obviously I know that that's not what happens, but I
don't believe that it's even about bringing socialism here. I
think it's about the downfall of the United States. These
are nefarious actors who are using people.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
This is actually how socialism works in every single place
it's ever been tried. So they so the people mix
up the the terms what we do in the book.
as we walk through the background of these terms and
walk through this. And the way I always explain it
is that socialism is a tactic. Communism is a tactic.
This is not an actual system of government. And so
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when I hear these conservatives all the time and, you know,
when they come out, they say, well, I'm going to
point out your hypocrisy or I'm.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Going to fact check you on that. I'm going to
debunk it. They don't care. They're just using it as
a tactic. They're using it as a ploy.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
They know it doesn't work. They know it's not going
to be successful. They don't care because what they want
is the power. They don't want to, they're not anti-elites.
They want to replace the elites. They want to be
the new elites. And, you know, how can we see this?
Of course, we can see this with Zoramandami. As soon
as he got elected, what did he do? Remember, he
promised free buses. Free buses was the very, the big
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thing right towards the end of the campaign.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
The bus is going to be free. Everyone's going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
If he got elected, what do they do? They put
signs on the buses that said this bus is not free.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And so that's just a simple example of something that
we can point to in recent history where this always
plays out the exact same way that it always does.
When the Bolsheviks did this in Russia, when the communists,
the Rojos, did this in Spain, when the Chinese Communist
Party did this in China, when the French Revolution was
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getting underway in France, they always do it. They promise equality.
They promise justice. They promise all these things. And unfortunately,
what ends.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Up happening is is you get quite the opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And so what I'm trying to do with the new
edition and the new book here is really set up
to sort of a new, it's like when you have
your cell phone, right? It pushes out an update. When
they push out an update, I'm trying to push an
update out to conservatives out there to say, guys, we're
not facing this thing the right way.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And actually, I think we're losing.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So how do we talk about it?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Because I hear exactly what you're saying, and I have
even been guilty of saying, let me explain to you
why it doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Because explaining why it doesn't work, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And people have been so manipulated by it, they don't
understand that they are being used.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I mean, we've heard the term useful idiot.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And sadly, we have, I mean, it's infiltrated our universities,
it's infiltrated our lower schools, Kids who are coming out today,
like you said, they didn't see the Berlin Wall fall.
They haven't seen all of these things happen. They've never
experienced it themselves. They've never experienced a government that's fought it.
And there's not enough Democrats coming out and saying, holy cow,
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we don't want to be here. So when it's one
party against the other, it feels very much like it's
just the Democrats ins and outs of politics every day.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But this is way more serious.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So, Tudor, here's the problem is I think that people
become disconnected.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And you're right.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Part of it is the history. Part of it is
people not really like my family's Polish. So we just
sort of inherently hear the stories of our family members
who grew up when Poland was still communist. Remember, Poland
was communist until 1991. Poland had martial law within living
memory for a lot of people. And so when you say,
you know, communism or socialism in Poland, I mean, that's,
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that's like, you're, you're about to start a fight basically. Um,
you know, my, my wife actually was born in the
Soviet union. So, I mean, someone who absolutely understood what
that system is like, and she came to America seeking freedom,
seeking to get away from that kind of system. And now,
you know, she's here in the United States saying, I
can't believe Americans are falling for this because this is
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the same lies and the same nonsense. that was pushed
over here, all those and they're finally recovering, you know,
starting to recover in Eastern Europe from all of the insanity.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But unfortunately, here's what happens. It's that when it starts economically,
it starts.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
When people feel that they don't have any connection to
the economic growth of a country or when jobs get
shipped overseas, when workers are feeling completely left out of
the game and you know, things like mass immigration, like
is a huge issue right now, you know, come in
and suddenly, where's the jobs?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Where's the work?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Where's that social contract that we thought we were supposed
to be getting?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And then the socialists come in and say, they say.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Look at all those elites, look at all those fat cats,
look at all those richie riches on Wall Street, or
in the case of Russia was St. Petersburg, in the
case of China was Beijing, in case of Spain, it
was Madrid, Barcelona, etc. And in France, of course, it
was the king and his wife and And there's their
their children.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And they say, well, they're rich and you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And so what we need to do is play on
those fears and tear them down, destroy the system that
we have. And then and then you will be just
as rich as all those kings and all those elites.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And so what they do is they play on the envy.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They play on that greed and they say, in fact,
it's good. It's good that we're doing this thing. It's
good that we should be resentful of those people. And
then they turn around. And because people are feeling economic pinches,
because people are actually hurting out there, they say.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Screw the system. Screw the government. Nobody ever helped me out.
Why don't I go along with these guys? Because it
seems like they're just as mad as I am. And
this is how the socialists gain purchase. Unfortunately, and of course,
by the way, what they also do is they indoctrinate,
they infiltrate institutions, they set up enemy groups, enemy target groups.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And of course, we all know what those are.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And then it gets to a point where you get
enough people, a critical mass of people who say we
are going to go along with the socialists because it
seems like what they're offering is at least better than
what we're receiving already. And unfortunately for us who are
on the other side of it saying, whoa, whoa, you
can't go down that road. It's because they're not feeling
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relief at all anywhere else. And it becomes a situation
where people are never going to be more scared of,
you know, this thing that happened in history than they
are about not paying their bills or not being able
to put new clothes on their kids or not being
able to pay for back to school for the, you know,
the kids, things like that. And those are those very
real pressures that people feel and people fear that makes
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them turn to these extreme situations, extreme candidates. And unfortunately,
you get these guys like Saeed, like so many others
who aren't actually animated by peace and justice and equality.
They're animated by envy and resentment and hatred, actual hatred,
by the way. And unfortunately, that's why they will so
(10:13):
often not only commit violence, and I'm not talking about
the candidates specifically here, but certainly the followers, And then
you will hear people giving cover for the violence, like
Kassan Piker has done many, many times with 9-11 and
talking about the capitalists need to, you know, the roads
need to run red with their blood. Luigi Maggioni, of course,
(10:33):
is the perfect example of this.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And this explains why they would support Luigi Maggioni.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And just this morning, I saw some Marvel director, this,
you know, who has a Palestinian background, I guess, was
supporting the murder of One.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Of the people who was stabbed in Times Square. I
want to get the facts right. She was stabbed in
Times Square a couple of days ago. She's a new mom.
She was a new mom.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think she was 38, 39. And she happened to
be the vice president at Bank of America. You know,
like one of the officials at Bank of America is
walking down the street, you know, I don't know if
she's with her family on a.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Lunch break, whatever it was in Times Square, get stabbed
to death.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And now you have this Marvel director, this woman saying, oh, well,
just another Luigi Maggioni situation. I said, my God, we
are falling into the exact same trap. And you have
these people who are going around celebrating it. And of course, obviously,
you know, it goes without saying that we're now just
one week away from the one year anniversary of Charlie's murder.
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And we remember how the left reacted. We remember the celebrations.
Remember the cheers. We remember people going up and justifying it, saying, oh, well,
you know, and even even one of the lawyers in
the trial the other day was saying, oh, well, you know, Charlie,
he said a lot of hate speech. Charlie said a
lot of hateful things. And, you know, maybe that's maybe
that's why it had to happen. He said so many
(11:58):
hateful things. And we remember Jimmy Kimmel even just going
up on TV and lying about it.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And I don't think that situation has changed.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think there's millions upon millions of people out there
who view this the same way. And that's what creates
a very, very dangerous situation when you allow people like
this into any position of power.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Charlie died for, well, we don't know why this person
actually went after him, but he died going out there
and talking about the right to life, the importance of life,
the importance of honoring life at any age. He talked, obviously,
about the importance of protecting youth. And he was out
there every day saying, we need to have a talk.
We need to be able to speak. Our words need
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to be able to be heard, regardless of whether they
hurt you or not. That's fundamental to what our country is,
to be able to speak. We were saying back in
22 when the whole life right to life debate came up,
if you make it so that life doesn't matter in
the womb, eventually life doesn't matter outside.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Of the womb.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And it was right after that that the assassination attempts
started to happen. And then obviously, Charlie, Luigi Mangione, this
woman just a few days ago, Lindsay Clancy, that story,
it makes me sick.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It makes my skin crawl to think.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That there are women who are out there going, I'm
Lindsay Clancy. I'm like, how do you even say that?
How as a mother could you possibly say those words?
It's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, so we actually have a whole chapter on that
in the new update to Unhuman Socialist Revolution.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And we walk people through this pathology. And that's what
it is. It's a pathology. It's a mental contagion, a
social contagion.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's this way of thinking that can infiltrate anyone's mind
in whereby in it's. And, you know, I know that
some people out there have popularly said, oh, it's it's
you know, it's it's a it's a misguided form of empathy.
And I actually disagree with that. I don't think it's empathy.
I think it is resentment. It's actually based in this
resentment and in this hatred whereby and you will hear
this with and you mentioned the abortion groups. And of course,
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that's exactly where this started. So, for example, a lot
of people don't realize that the very first country in
the entire world, in all of human history, that legalized
abortion was the Soviet Union, the U.S.S.R. when the Bolsheviks
took control of Russia. one of the very first things
they did, and by the way, the literal very first
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country in the whole world that legalized abortion was the
Soviet Union. So of course, we can say very directly
and definitively that the devaluing of children and the devaluing
of life, in this case, the life of young children,
was actually a communist tactic, because that's literally true.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
That's the historical record.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And yet you never seem to hear anybody mention that
this is directly all tied together.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Why do they do this?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Because we know that going back to Karl Marx, the
disillusion of the nuclear family was absolutely key to their plans,
because they realized that things like families, things like the church,
things like civil associations, all of these things stood between
the revolution and the state and the power of their
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overarching state power versus power over the individual.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
That's what they want.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They don't want mom and dad to be in charge.
They don't want mom and dad to disagree with the state.
That's also, by the way, why they had to take
over the teachers unions. It's why they had to take
over the librarians, because, of course, these are the authority figures,
particularly for young people. And so abortion itself becomes a devaluing.
And so how do you do that? Well, you say, well,
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those aren't individuals. You say those are extensions of the
female body. And that's how they say it over and
over and over.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
And you can go back to the.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Original, you know, sort of the very early feminists who
were putting this stuff out and these new waves of
feminism had started.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But, you know, women should have rights and women should
be the workplace. And OK, this is fine.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But then you would hear them talk about children and
in the abortion movement. And they would say, oh, that's
not really a life. It's actually a life that's dependent
on the mother. And because it's dependent on the mother,
it's not really its own life.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And what do they do? They start verbally, right?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
They start verbally weakening and devaluing is what they do.
They play linguistic games, obviously. And again, these are all
just tactics. And so we are describing the tactics. They
devalue the individual life of the child and, of course,
the individual rights that every child, regardless of age, regardless.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Of age, always has.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And the fact that they would then be able to
get people to turn around and to say, wait a minute,
you know, that child doesn't really have their own rights
and doesn't have their own value.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And you see this all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You see this on obviously on TikTok. And we talk
a lot of this through here where. you know, there's
these prank videos that you'll see, you know, TikTok moms
doing where they humiliate the kids or they'll hurt the
kids and then put it on social media. It's the
cracking the egg challenge. I'm going to crack an egg
on my kid's head.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
What are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Not only to do that to a child in the
first place, but to do that and then film it
and then share it out for the entire country. By
the way, you know, ever since I became a dad,
I'm like, just personally totally against the whole YouTube family thing.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Like, I just, I think it's weird. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I think it's so weird to be filming kids and
then getting like likes and clicks for it. You know,
you know, I, at the same time do, you know,
like my, so my kids will run in the studio
when I'm on air or something, you know, and, and
they'll hop on or we'll be like, you know, at the, um,
you know, we were at the, the freedom two 50
race and it's like, Hey kids, you like the cars?
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Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
It's so cool. It's like little things like that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Okay, but when you're creating an entire world that is
virtual and then you're exploiting your children to get social
cloud off of that, I just, I have a huge
problem with it.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
And then when you're also- When.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Your kids have no safe private place, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
No, and you're depriving the safety from them as the
parent in that case.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And so what we're trying to do with the book
is to explain to people where these permission structures come from,
because obviously these are not traditional permission structures. The nuclear
family as a matter of fact, is the oldest institution
on planet Earth that we have evidence for. You go
back to the caves and, you know, if they find
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the bones of the cavemen and it's, what do they
find in the caves, right?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
From hundreds of thousands of years ago. It's mom, dad, kids.
It's right there, right?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You can see the nuclear family. This is something that
predates everything. It literally predates everything that we know. It
predates written history. And so thereby in, we realize that
that these people are totally against the natural order of
life itself, which as a Christian, I believe is the
order that was ordained by God. And not only, and
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this is what's great about being a Christian who actually
believes in it, is that I don't just think the
Bible is right because God said so.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I think the Bible is right because it's true. I
think it's right because it's true.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And so when you follow the precepts of the Bible,
when you follow traditional gender roles, when you treat your children,
treat your family, treat your society in a biblical way,
you will actually have a better life and you will
and things will actually work out better for you. And
there's a reason for that is because it's all real.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So it's interesting that you bring that up because Will Lawrence,
he is a candidate running for Congress.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He's running for Congress. in Tom Barrett's district in the
state of Michigan. So if you're.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Following this race, this is a race that could go
either way. This is really very much a swing district.
And Tom, he's a great congressman. He's not just a
great congressman, but he's one of those guys that I've
even contacted him about an issue that one of my
friends was having. And he immediately had his staff on it,
taking care of it. And this is someone in West Michigan.
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He's in the Lansing area. He is running against Will Lawrence.
This guy is a radical socialist.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
He knows he is.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
He won't have DSA come in and endorse him. But
he was a card-carrying member of DSA. He just knows
it doesn't play well there. So obviously lying doesn't matter
to these people. But that is one of the things
that he has said. We will destroy the nuclear family.
He's trying to walk away from that now, obviously. That's
from his podcast that he had a few years ago.
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A few years ago, not that many.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He's young. But he believes in that. He believes in
living in communes, getting rid of the nuclear family. This
is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It's a complete disaster.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And by the way, you mentioning a podcast there, I
was going through and digging up a bunch of Abdul
El-Said's old podcast that he used to have for Crooked Media,
where He was all in on the lockdowns, all in on,
I mean, literal, just like Fauci worship, you know, pushing
everything that Fauci said as gospel.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It's something that I.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Would love to see be brought up more in Michigan,
because I just think that people are totally missing the
actual truth of what these guys stand for.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
It's they want absolute power over you.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And obviously the COVID experience was the most, it was
the most perfect example of what happens when we turn
our government, over to the technocrats. By the way, this is,
you know, turning government over to technocrats is why communism
is responsible for the most deaths in all.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Of history, because it's what they do every single time.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
They turn government over to their, you know, quack scientists
and let them do whatever they want. And it ends
in mass famines or mass social medical experiments that go
very wrong. And of course, tens upon millions of people die. And,
you know, when you look at something like COVID through
that lens, you say, well, they're just doing it again.
They're doing the exact same thing that they did in China.
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They're doing the exact same thing they did in Russia.
And so when you look at something like these statements, right,
this is what they believe. They actually believe and they
will sit down and read the theories and they'll say, oh,
my gosh, this is so true.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And what it actually comes from.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And we'll have really fun here because what it actually
comes from is because these people haven't found a way
to be successful anywhere else in life because they haven't
built anything. They haven't gone out and be able to
say not being able to finish medical school and become
a full doctor, like finish all the, you know, the requirements.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It's the perfect.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Example of someone who turns to a socialist, turns to
a communist.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Why?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Because they need the government to come in. And say,
all right, you know, that's a little too hard for me.
I don't want to work that hard. I want to
do that much. I don't want to go do a residence.
I don't want to go and, you know, fulfill my
internship and, you know, go through licensing.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
That's so hard. You know, I just want to I
just want to kind of check the box.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And and and maybe maybe the reason that I wasn't
able to to to pass muster isn't my fault.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It's society's fault. It's the government's fault. It's the founding
father's fault.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
And so it's because they have this lack of skill
or lack of actual ambition or just work ethic on
their own that they turn around and find all these
scapegoats in society itself. And you see this over and
over and over. And then they'll pick up Karl Marx
or they'll pick up Engels or pick up whatever it
is and say, And say, oh, it's the nuclear family's
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fault or it's, you know, and of course, these days, obviously,
Donald Trump becomes the focal point.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Of all of this.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But but it goes so much older than that. And
it's so much longer than that. And it just goes
back to envy. It goes back to envy and resentment.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, and if you I really would love to see
someone pick Abdul's life apart a little bit. I mean,
a lot, because that's what you that's what happens when
you run for office. But if you look at his life,
it's a very strange situation because he grew up in Detroit,
but spent his summers in Egypt. His father-in-law is very influential.
in some of these Muslim organizations. And there's questions as
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to how money is coming into the pack that he's
running for Abdul and where that money is coming from.
And yet, if we bring that up, you know, we're
the bad guy for bringing it up. If it were me,
everybody would be analyzing every single donation that came in.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Of course, every penny.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But look at Abdul's life.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
He doesn't he doesn't ever finish and he doesn't actually
get his license to practice medicine. But he gets immediately
this influential family that he's married into. He gets immediately
appointed to run the largest health department in the entire state.
So the Wayne County and under his leadership. Under his
time at Wayne County, he goes through the pandemic. He
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has the worst outcomes in the state every single year.
Not one time is one county worse than him every
single year. And it's not because it's Wayne County, because 2012, 2015,
these are not the worst years for Wayne County in
the state of Michigan. But every year he runs it,
it's the worst year, except for 24, where it is
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the worst health outcomes in the entire country. The county
with the worst health outcomes in the entire country, not
just the state. How can there be nobody saying this
guy is not only failed at becoming a doctor, he
has failed the city of Detroit so badly.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Greatly.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
The amount of maternal mortality, the infant mortality rates, all
in heavily minority communities that are all being treated horribly
because of the way he is running this health department.
And nobody's saying this was the worst failure in the
United States. I mean, that's shocking to me.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And, you know, it's funny you mention that because, you know,
over in In my home state of Pennsylvania, my former
county commissioner was Josh Shapiro, who completely destroyed our county,
who absolutely wrecked my hometown. It's now full of MS-13.
It's full of human trafficking. It is full of drugs.
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We've got fentanyl all over the place, illegal aliens everywhere.
And then he failed upwards to becoming attorney general. where,
of course, he presided over COVID and presided over 2020,
which is just an abject horror in Pennsylvania. And then
he failed upwards again to becoming governor. And now, of course,
he's trying to run for president. And so what you
see is these individuals, like Saeed, who have no actual
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successes to their name, we can then discern that they're
not being graded on their actual success. And so we
have to actually look and see what is it that
makes them so successful? Well, At least within their circle.
And that's what I'm trying to get at in the
book here. Because, sure, if you look at it from
an outward perspective on tangible results, they have done.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
But what do they have?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And this is what we found out, that the way
leftism actually works is leftism doesn't reward results.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
What does leftism reward? Loyalty.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Leftism rewards, above all else, loyalty to others. the party
and loyalty to the revolution. And if you are loyal
to the party, you will be promoted and you will
be given higher and higher purchase, higher and higher office.
And by the way, until the point where they decide
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they don't need you anymore, like Eric Swalwell found out
when then they just destroy you, then they just discard
you and they find somebody else like they did with him.
And so that's the way their structure works. It's not
based on achievement. It's not based on objective reality. It's
based on.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Loyalty to the revolution, loyalty to the party.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And this is how leftism has always worked in every
single one of these countries. And so it actually shouldn't
surprise us that someone who is a complete failure is
given this level of support.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Why? Because they are loyal.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And that is the single highest virtue that they are
actually looking for. And in fact- They would put a
premium on someone who isn't able to do anything else.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Why?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Because someone who's able to be successful in the real world,
in the private sector, isn't going to be as loyal
because they have other options. Guys like these, they have
nowhere else they can go. So, of course, Pete Buttigieg
is another great example. I bring him up all the time.
This guy is just a total head case, obviously.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Couldn't, you know, couldn't do anything in the real world.
He becomes director of transportation. What does he say? Oh,
I got I got.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Engaged at a train station or something was his, you know,
his qualification. But of course, but what is it above
all else?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
He's loyal.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And this is, of course, what I remember he was
looking at. That's why he moved to Michigan, because he
was looking to run for the Senate seat. And again,
they don't care that he's carpetbagging from Indiana because he's loyal.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now, he ended up not going for it because he
wants to run for president.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
But it's so obvious that when you take the playbook
and really just the lens that the Unhumans book gives
you to the left, it all suddenly kind of makes
sense because you're sitting there going, well, common sense would
say that, you know, how could they let somebody who
is a complete failure be a winner? And then you
but then you realize, unfortunately, the issue is that the
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problem is actually much bigger than I think a lot
of people realize.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So this is why I think it's so important that
people read this, because they need to, if you're going
to talk about it, if you're going to be out
there warning people about this, you have to understand what
you're actually warning people of. And if you don't, if
you have never done any research, I mean, Karl Marx
is like every leftist out there, you know, wealthy parents
was the perpetual student was going out there, had never
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worked a day in his life, but he's telling all
the workers you're being taken advantage of. And I'm like,
oh my gosh, how is it this many years later
and we still have a bunch of mini Karl Marx
running around and nobody knows that that doesn't actually work?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So the book, it's the second edition. The book is
called Unhumans, Socialist Revolution, And it's so important that you
understand they really believe that this is a revolution.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
They are desperate for a revolution so that they can
take the United States down. The only country keeping the
world in order right now is the United States.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They know that. They know that's their barrier to success.
success in elite control. And you're right.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
They just want to be the next ones in elite control.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And guess what?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
When look at what happened with President Xi how many
years ago when his top aide did something wrong. Remember,
he gets taken away from the table and you're like,
that guy's dead. I mean, that's how this works, because
when you get out of favor, off with your head.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
In fact, Xi Jinping, the way that he came to
power was so my background is predominant. When I was
in the Navy intelligence, my background was all China. And
so that's that's like the one area that I have actually,
you know, really, really got to speak Mandarin and have
gone way down the rabbit hole on. So Xi Jinping,
when he was first, you know, bandying for power again, remember,
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there's no elections. So how do you get success in
a leftist system? You take out your rivals. What did
he do to Bo Xilai? So Bo Xilai was, remember,
this is the guy who runs Chongqing. So it was
one of the biggest cities. It was the biggest up-and-coming
city in all of China. He gets the Three Gorges
Dam built, which, of course, becomes this international project that
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China's looking at to say, you know, of course, they
love their megaprojects in China, from the wall to the
canal to all the other things. And so, you know,
Bo Xilai looks like he's going to be the one
who's going to take control of the party. He's going
to ride all these, you know, purported successes to the top.
Xi Jinping comes in, goes around and gets all of
his gangsters around, all of his mafia out of Shanghai,
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where he was the party chairman before he goes to Beijing.
I actually got to briefly meet him once when I
was in Shanghai, and he was the party chairman down
there back in like 2007. And the way they did it,
they brought him up on corruption charges. They said, this
guy is corrupt. They found the dirt on him, and
they had him arrested in the middle of the night.
I believe they had his wife arrested as well, because
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those guys are as As crooked as.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It gets, those guys are as ruthless as it gets.
There's no question.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
By the way, they did the exact same thing with
the communists in East Germany. When they were coming to power,
you had all these reprisals and just every system of
communism that you can find.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
It's endemic.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
It'll probably have happened to Xi Jinping at some point.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
We will see, though.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And in fact, the number one show in China right
now that if anyone's to go and look at it,
What they do is rather than having newspapers anymore where,
you know, oh, my gosh, here's this corrupt official, they
have reality shows. And they have reality shows in China
where the corrupt officials are then put on the show.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And it's kind of like a Netflix documentary almost, except
it's real.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And it's also, you know, it's what's probably just about
as truthful as Netflix. And so they'll put the corrupt
official on TV, tell you how bad he is.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Tell you how.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Terrible he was to China, and then it always ends
with them being arrested and thrown in prison.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
That's the number one show in China right now.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That is what we're fighting against.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean, nothing is clearer than you have to fight
against your government just disappearing people off the street because
they don't agree.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It's insane, but that's where we are. Tell people where
they can get the book.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Oh, absolutely. Thank you so much. And it's up on Amazon.
We also have unhumansbook.com if anyone's interested. We've got like
some special editions, different things on there. Very honored that
President Trump came out a few days ago and endorsed
the book and threw it up on True Social.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
That was very, very gracious of him to do so.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
And I think he's done that because we've seen the
president now really since the 4th of July or I guess.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The night before the 250th.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He gave that speech at Mount Rushmore where he directly
said that the rise of communism is the greatest test
of our time and we need to confront this inhuman ideology.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
We absolutely do. Thank you. Thank you for still speaking
for Charlie, and thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Thanks so much, Tudor. God bless.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Absolutely. Jack Sobit, thank you, and thank you all for
listening to this episode of the Tudor Dixon Podcast. You
know where you can get it, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Rumble,
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You are listening to the Tudor Dixon Podcast, and today
we have Jack Posobiec with us. He is the senior
editor at Human Events, and he's coming out with the
second edition of his book on humans, Socialist Revolution Tactics
for Patriots to Survive a Communist Uprising. It's coming out
on September 29th. Jack, it couldn't be better timing, sadly enough.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm in Michigan. Obviously, we're seeing it. We're seeing it everywhere, though.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, no, Tudor, thanks for having me on. And you're
absolutely right, though. Michigan, I think, is ground zero with El-Said,
who you have there running for the United States Senate,
who a lot of polls have up in the Senate
in this campaign right now. And one of the reasons
that we put the new book out and did this
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update with the 14 new chapters is that I think
that from two perspectives— There's two perspectives on it where
I think that particularly a lot of people don't understand
what's going on and they don't understand not only why
socialism is on the rise, why those candidates are winning
on their own side, but also why more and more people,
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particularly those under 40, particularly those in the middle class,
are now reaching over and saying, you know what, maybe
I am interested in this type of politics. I'm not
from Michigan, but I am from Pennsylvania. So, you know,
card carrying member of the.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Rust Belt, I guess. So I get a lot of this.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And I think that a lot of folks do like
yourself for people who are not, you know, in Washington, D.C.
or in other places who are not familiar with these areas,
not familiar with the situation on the ground.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It can come as quite a shock.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
When they see these types of candidates winning, but we've
seen it now in New York City, now has a
socialist mayor.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Washington, D.C.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Is on track to have a socialist mayor. She just
won the primary, so probably will win the general. In November,
this Janice George down in D.C., Katie Wilson is the
now socialist mayor of Seattle.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Angie Nixon is running in Florida.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And so, again, you have candidates, and there's many more
candidates at the congressional level who are running, that are
openly espousing socialism. And Bernie Sanders, he did a lot
to change the sound of the word socialist in our
country today.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I think that a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Of people who might either be older, who might be
in DC, who might be disconnected, don't realize what's happening
on the ground.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, I talked to someone in Florida just yesterday, and
she was like, you know, we just don't feel it
down here. I think that people are freaking out about something, but,
you know, we're going to be the ones that hold
the country together. And I was like, okay, that can
only last for so long. It's kind of like a
bad apple ruins the whole bunch. You know, once you
get one state that has gone this direction, it's really
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hard to fight back. That's why I'm frustrated with the Democrats,
that they're not fighting back. When I hear people like
Roy Cooper say it's a big tent, everybody should be
in it. I think, how can you do this when
you know we lose the country? And I don't believe
that it's.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I don't even believe it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
When they say, well, we're going to bring socialism here
and everybody's going to have all this good stuff. I
obviously I know that that's not what happens, but I
don't believe that it's even about bringing socialism here. I
think it's about the downfall of the United States. These
are nefarious actors who are using people.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
This is actually how socialism works in every single place
it's ever been tried. So they so the people mix
up the the terms what we do in the book.
as we walk through the background of these terms and
walk through this. And the way I always explain it
is that socialism is a tactic. Communism is a tactic.
This is not an actual system of government. And so
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when I hear these conservatives all the time and, you know,
when they come out, they say, well, I'm going to
point out your hypocrisy or I'm.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Going to fact check you on that. I'm going to
debunk it. They don't care. They're just using it as
a tactic. They're using it as a ploy.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
They know it doesn't work. They know it's not going
to be successful. They don't care because what they want
is the power. They don't want to, they're not anti-elites.
They want to replace the elites. They want to be
the new elites. And, you know, how can we see this?
Of course, we can see this with Zoramandami. As soon
as he got elected, what did he do? Remember, he
promised free buses. Free buses was the very, the big
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thing right towards the end of the campaign.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
The bus is going to be free. Everyone's going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
If he got elected, what do they do? They put
signs on the buses that said this bus is not free.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And so that's just a simple example of something that
we can point to in recent history where this always
plays out the exact same way that it always does.
When the Bolsheviks did this in Russia, when the communists,
the Rojos, did this in Spain, when the Chinese Communist
Party did this in China, when the French Revolution was
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getting underway in France, they always do it. They promise equality.
They promise justice. They promise all these things. And unfortunately,
what ends.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Up happening is is you get quite the opposite.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And so what I'm trying to do with the new
edition and the new book here is really set up
to sort of a new, it's like when you have
your cell phone, right? It pushes out an update. When
they push out an update, I'm trying to push an
update out to conservatives out there to say, guys, we're
not facing this thing the right way.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And actually, I think we're losing.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So how do we talk about it?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Because I hear exactly what you're saying, and I have
even been guilty of saying, let me explain to you
why it doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Because explaining why it doesn't work, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And people have been so manipulated by it, they don't
understand that they are being used.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I mean, we've heard the term useful idiot.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And sadly, we have, I mean, it's infiltrated our universities,
it's infiltrated our lower schools, Kids who are coming out today,
like you said, they didn't see the Berlin Wall fall.
They haven't seen all of these things happen. They've never
experienced it themselves. They've never experienced a government that's fought it.
And there's not enough Democrats coming out and saying, holy cow,
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we don't want to be here. So when it's one
party against the other, it feels very much like it's
just the Democrats ins and outs of politics every day.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But this is way more serious.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So, Tudor, here's the problem is I think that people
become disconnected.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And you're right.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Part of it is the history. Part of it is
people not really like my family's Polish. So we just
sort of inherently hear the stories of our family members
who grew up when Poland was still communist. Remember, Poland
was communist until 1991. Poland had martial law within living
memory for a lot of people. And so when you say,
you know, communism or socialism in Poland, I mean, that's,
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that's like, you're, you're about to start a fight basically. Um,
you know, my, my wife actually was born in the
Soviet union. So, I mean, someone who absolutely understood what
that system is like, and she came to America seeking freedom,
seeking to get away from that kind of system. And now,
you know, she's here in the United States saying, I
can't believe Americans are falling for this because this is
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the same lies and the same nonsense. that was pushed
over here, all those and they're finally recovering, you know,
starting to recover in Eastern Europe from all of the insanity.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But unfortunately, here's what happens. It's that when it starts economically,
it starts.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
When people feel that they don't have any connection to
the economic growth of a country or when jobs get
shipped overseas, when workers are feeling completely left out of
the game and you know, things like mass immigration, like
is a huge issue right now, you know, come in
and suddenly, where's the jobs?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Where's the work?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Where's that social contract that we thought we were supposed
to be getting?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
And then the socialists come in and say, they say.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Look at all those elites, look at all those fat cats,
look at all those richie riches on Wall Street, or
in the case of Russia was St. Petersburg, in the
case of China was Beijing, in case of Spain, it
was Madrid, Barcelona, etc. And in France, of course, it
was the king and his wife and And there's their
their children.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And they say, well, they're rich and you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
And so what we need to do is play on
those fears and tear them down, destroy the system that
we have. And then and then you will be just
as rich as all those kings and all those elites.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And so what they do is they play on the envy.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
They play on that greed and they say, in fact,
it's good. It's good that we're doing this thing. It's
good that we should be resentful of those people. And
then they turn around. And because people are feeling economic pinches,
because people are actually hurting out there, they say.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Screw the system. Screw the government. Nobody ever helped me out.
Why don't I go along with these guys? Because it
seems like they're just as mad as I am. And
this is how the socialists gain purchase. Unfortunately, and of course,
by the way, what they also do is they indoctrinate,
they infiltrate institutions, they set up enemy groups, enemy target groups.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And of course, we all know what those are.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And then it gets to a point where you get
enough people, a critical mass of people who say we
are going to go along with the socialists because it
seems like what they're offering is at least better than
what we're receiving already. And unfortunately for us who are
on the other side of it saying, whoa, whoa, you
can't go down that road. It's because they're not feeling
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relief at all anywhere else. And it becomes a situation
where people are never going to be more scared of,
you know, this thing that happened in history than they
are about not paying their bills or not being able
to put new clothes on their kids or not being
able to pay for back to school for the, you know,
the kids, things like that. And those are those very
real pressures that people feel and people fear that makes
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them turn to these extreme situations, extreme candidates. And unfortunately,
you get these guys like Saeed, like so many others
who aren't actually animated by peace and justice and equality.
They're animated by envy and resentment and hatred, actual hatred,
by the way. And unfortunately, that's why they will so
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often not only commit violence, and I'm not talking about
the candidates specifically here, but certainly the followers, And then
you will hear people giving cover for the violence, like
Kassan Piker has done many, many times with 9-11 and
talking about the capitalists need to, you know, the roads
need to run red with their blood. Luigi Maggioni, of course,
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is the perfect example of this.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And this explains why they would support Luigi Maggioni.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And just this morning, I saw some Marvel director, this,
you know, who has a Palestinian background, I guess, was
supporting the murder of One.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Of the people who was stabbed in Times Square. I
want to get the facts right. She was stabbed in
Times Square a couple of days ago. She's a new mom.
She was a new mom.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think she was 38, 39. And she happened to
be the vice president at Bank of America. You know,
like one of the officials at Bank of America is
walking down the street, you know, I don't know if
she's with her family on a.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Lunch break, whatever it was in Times Square, get stabbed
to death.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And now you have this Marvel director, this woman saying, oh, well,
just another Luigi Maggioni situation. I said, my God, we
are falling into the exact same trap. And you have
these people who are going around celebrating it. And of course, obviously,
you know, it goes without saying that we're now just
one week away from the one year anniversary of Charlie's murder.
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And we remember how the left reacted. We remember the celebrations.
Remember the cheers. We remember people going up and justifying it, saying, oh, well,
you know, and even even one of the lawyers in
the trial the other day was saying, oh, well, you know, Charlie,
he said a lot of hate speech. Charlie said a
lot of hateful things. And, you know, maybe that's maybe
that's why it had to happen. He said so many
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hateful things. And we remember Jimmy Kimmel even just going
up on TV and lying about it.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And I don't think that situation has changed.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think there's millions upon millions of people out there
who view this the same way. And that's what creates
a very, very dangerous situation when you allow people like
this into any position of power.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Charlie died for, well, we don't know why this person
actually went after him, but he died going out there
and talking about the right to life, the importance of life,
the importance of honoring life at any age. He talked, obviously,
about the importance of protecting youth. And he was out
there every day saying, we need to have a talk.
We need to be able to speak. Our words need
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to be able to be heard, regardless of whether they
hurt you or not. That's fundamental to what our country is,
to be able to speak. We were saying back in
22 when the whole life right to life debate came up,
if you make it so that life doesn't matter in
the womb, eventually life doesn't matter outside.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Of the womb.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And it was right after that that the assassination attempts
started to happen. And then obviously, Charlie, Luigi Mangione, this
woman just a few days ago, Lindsay Clancy, that story,
it makes me sick.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It makes my skin crawl to think.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That there are women who are out there going, I'm
Lindsay Clancy. I'm like, how do you even say that?
How as a mother could you possibly say those words?
It's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, so we actually have a whole chapter on that
in the new update to Unhuman Socialist Revolution.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And we walk people through this pathology. And that's what
it is. It's a pathology. It's a mental contagion, a
social contagion.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's this way of thinking that can infiltrate anyone's mind
in whereby in it's. And, you know, I know that
some people out there have popularly said, oh, it's it's
you know, it's it's a it's a misguided form of empathy.
And I actually disagree with that. I don't think it's empathy.
I think it is resentment. It's actually based in this
resentment and in this hatred whereby and you will hear
this with and you mentioned the abortion groups. And of course,
(14:11):
that's exactly where this started. So, for example, a lot
of people don't realize that the very first country in
the entire world, in all of human history, that legalized
abortion was the Soviet Union, the U.S.S.R. when the Bolsheviks
took control of Russia. one of the very first things
they did, and by the way, the literal very first
(14:34):
country in the whole world that legalized abortion was the
Soviet Union. So of course, we can say very directly
and definitively that the devaluing of children and the devaluing
of life, in this case, the life of young children,
was actually a communist tactic, because that's literally true.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
That's the historical record.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And yet you never seem to hear anybody mention that
this is directly all tied together.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Why do they do this?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Because we know that going back to Karl Marx, the
disillusion of the nuclear family was absolutely key to their plans,
because they realized that things like families, things like the church,
things like civil associations, all of these things stood between
the revolution and the state and the power of their
(15:25):
overarching state power versus power over the individual.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
That's what they want.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They don't want mom and dad to be in charge.
They don't want mom and dad to disagree with the state.
That's also, by the way, why they had to take
over the teachers unions. It's why they had to take
over the librarians, because, of course, these are the authority figures,
particularly for young people. And so abortion itself becomes a devaluing.
And so how do you do that? Well, you say, well,
(15:52):
those aren't individuals. You say those are extensions of the
female body. And that's how they say it over and
over and over.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
And you can go back to the.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Original, you know, sort of the very early feminists who
were putting this stuff out and these new waves of
feminism had started.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But, you know, women should have rights and women should
be the workplace. And OK, this is fine.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But then you would hear them talk about children and
in the abortion movement. And they would say, oh, that's
not really a life. It's actually a life that's dependent
on the mother. And because it's dependent on the mother,
it's not really its own life.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And what do they do? They start verbally, right?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
They start verbally weakening and devaluing is what they do.
They play linguistic games, obviously. And again, these are all
just tactics. And so we are describing the tactics. They
devalue the individual life of the child and, of course,
the individual rights that every child, regardless of age, regardless.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Of age, always has.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And the fact that they would then be able to
get people to turn around and to say, wait a minute,
you know, that child doesn't really have their own rights
and doesn't have their own value.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And you see this all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You see this on obviously on TikTok. And we talk
a lot of this through here where. you know, there's
these prank videos that you'll see, you know, TikTok moms
doing where they humiliate the kids or they'll hurt the
kids and then put it on social media. It's the
cracking the egg challenge. I'm going to crack an egg
on my kid's head.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
What are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Not only to do that to a child in the
first place, but to do that and then film it
and then share it out for the entire country. By
the way, you know, ever since I became a dad,
I'm like, just personally totally against the whole YouTube family thing.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Like, I just, I think it's weird. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I think it's so weird to be filming kids and
then getting like likes and clicks for it. You know,
you know, I, at the same time do, you know,
like my, so my kids will run in the studio
when I'm on air or something, you know, and, and
they'll hop on or we'll be like, you know, at the, um,
you know, we were at the, the freedom two 50
race and it's like, Hey kids, you like the cars?
(17:57):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
It's so cool. It's like little things like that.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Okay, but when you're creating an entire world that is
virtual and then you're exploiting your children to get social
cloud off of that, I just, I have a huge
problem with it.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
And then when you're also- When.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Your kids have no safe private place, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
No, and you're depriving the safety from them as the
parent in that case.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And so what we're trying to do with the book
is to explain to people where these permission structures come from,
because obviously these are not traditional permission structures. The nuclear
family as a matter of fact, is the oldest institution
on planet Earth that we have evidence for. You go
back to the caves and, you know, if they find
(18:43):
the bones of the cavemen and it's, what do they
find in the caves, right?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
From hundreds of thousands of years ago. It's mom, dad, kids.
It's right there, right?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You can see the nuclear family. This is something that
predates everything. It literally predates everything that we know. It
predates written history. And so thereby in, we realize that
that these people are totally against the natural order of
life itself, which as a Christian, I believe is the
order that was ordained by God. And not only, and
(19:14):
this is what's great about being a Christian who actually
believes in it, is that I don't just think the
Bible is right because God said so.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I think the Bible is right because it's true. I
think it's right because it's true.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And so when you follow the precepts of the Bible,
when you follow traditional gender roles, when you treat your children,
treat your family, treat your society in a biblical way,
you will actually have a better life and you will
and things will actually work out better for you. And
there's a reason for that is because it's all real.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So it's interesting that you bring that up because Will Lawrence,
he is a candidate running for Congress.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He's running for Congress. in Tom Barrett's district in the
state of Michigan. So if you're.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Following this race, this is a race that could go
either way. This is really very much a swing district.
And Tom, he's a great congressman. He's not just a
great congressman, but he's one of those guys that I've
even contacted him about an issue that one of my
friends was having. And he immediately had his staff on it,
taking care of it. And this is someone in West Michigan.
(20:15):
He's in the Lansing area. He is running against Will Lawrence.
This guy is a radical socialist.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
He knows he is.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
He won't have DSA come in and endorse him. But
he was a card-carrying member of DSA. He just knows
it doesn't play well there. So obviously lying doesn't matter
to these people. But that is one of the things
that he has said. We will destroy the nuclear family.
He's trying to walk away from that now, obviously. That's
from his podcast that he had a few years ago.
(20:42):
A few years ago, not that many.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He's young. But he believes in that. He believes in
living in communes, getting rid of the nuclear family. This
is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
It's a complete disaster.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And by the way, you mentioning a podcast there, I
was going through and digging up a bunch of Abdul
El-Said's old podcast that he used to have for Crooked Media,
where He was all in on the lockdowns, all in on,
I mean, literal, just like Fauci worship, you know, pushing
everything that Fauci said as gospel.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It's something that I.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Would love to see be brought up more in Michigan,
because I just think that people are totally missing the
actual truth of what these guys stand for.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
It's they want absolute power over you.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And obviously the COVID experience was the most, it was
the most perfect example of what happens when we turn
our government, over to the technocrats. By the way, this is,
you know, turning government over to technocrats is why communism
is responsible for the most deaths in all.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Of history, because it's what they do every single time.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
They turn government over to their, you know, quack scientists
and let them do whatever they want. And it ends
in mass famines or mass social medical experiments that go
very wrong. And of course, tens upon millions of people die. And,
you know, when you look at something like COVID through
that lens, you say, well, they're just doing it again.
They're doing the exact same thing that they did in China.
(22:04):
They're doing the exact same thing they did in Russia.
And so when you look at something like these statements, right,
this is what they believe. They actually believe and they
will sit down and read the theories and they'll say, oh,
my gosh, this is so true.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And what it actually comes from.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And we'll have really fun here because what it actually
comes from is because these people haven't found a way
to be successful anywhere else in life because they haven't
built anything. They haven't gone out and be able to
say not being able to finish medical school and become
a full doctor, like finish all the, you know, the requirements.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It's the perfect.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Example of someone who turns to a socialist, turns to
a communist.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Why?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Because they need the government to come in. And say,
all right, you know, that's a little too hard for me.
I don't want to work that hard. I want to
do that much. I don't want to go do a residence.
I don't want to go and, you know, fulfill my
internship and, you know, go through licensing.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
That's so hard. You know, I just want to I
just want to kind of check the box.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And and and maybe maybe the reason that I wasn't
able to to to pass muster isn't my fault.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It's society's fault. It's the government's fault. It's the founding
father's fault.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
And so it's because they have this lack of skill
or lack of actual ambition or just work ethic on
their own that they turn around and find all these
scapegoats in society itself. And you see this over and
over and over. And then they'll pick up Karl Marx
or they'll pick up Engels or pick up whatever it
is and say, And say, oh, it's the nuclear family's
(23:34):
fault or it's, you know, and of course, these days, obviously,
Donald Trump becomes the focal point.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Of all of this.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But but it goes so much older than that. And
it's so much longer than that. And it just goes
back to envy. It goes back to envy and resentment.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, and if you I really would love to see
someone pick Abdul's life apart a little bit. I mean,
a lot, because that's what you that's what happens when
you run for office. But if you look at his life,
it's a very strange situation because he grew up in Detroit,
but spent his summers in Egypt. His father-in-law is very influential.
in some of these Muslim organizations. And there's questions as
(24:12):
to how money is coming into the pack that he's
running for Abdul and where that money is coming from.
And yet, if we bring that up, you know, we're
the bad guy for bringing it up. If it were me,
everybody would be analyzing every single donation that came in.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Of course, every penny.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But look at Abdul's life.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
He doesn't he doesn't ever finish and he doesn't actually
get his license to practice medicine. But he gets immediately
this influential family that he's married into. He gets immediately
appointed to run the largest health department in the entire state.
So the Wayne County and under his leadership. Under his
time at Wayne County, he goes through the pandemic. He
(24:51):
has the worst outcomes in the state every single year.
Not one time is one county worse than him every
single year. And it's not because it's Wayne County, because 2012, 2015,
these are not the worst years for Wayne County in
the state of Michigan. But every year he runs it,
it's the worst year, except for 24, where it is
(25:12):
the worst health outcomes in the entire country. The county
with the worst health outcomes in the entire country, not
just the state. How can there be nobody saying this
guy is not only failed at becoming a doctor, he
has failed the city of Detroit so badly.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Greatly.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
The amount of maternal mortality, the infant mortality rates, all
in heavily minority communities that are all being treated horribly
because of the way he is running this health department.
And nobody's saying this was the worst failure in the
United States. I mean, that's shocking to me.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And, you know, it's funny you mention that because, you know,
over in In my home state of Pennsylvania, my former
county commissioner was Josh Shapiro, who completely destroyed our county,
who absolutely wrecked my hometown. It's now full of MS-13.
It's full of human trafficking. It is full of drugs.
(26:12):
We've got fentanyl all over the place, illegal aliens everywhere.
And then he failed upwards to becoming attorney general. where,
of course, he presided over COVID and presided over 2020,
which is just an abject horror in Pennsylvania. And then
he failed upwards again to becoming governor. And now, of course,
he's trying to run for president. And so what you
see is these individuals, like Saeed, who have no actual
(26:35):
successes to their name, we can then discern that they're
not being graded on their actual success. And so we
have to actually look and see what is it that
makes them so successful? Well, At least within their circle.
And that's what I'm trying to get at in the
book here. Because, sure, if you look at it from
an outward perspective on tangible results, they have done.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
But what do they have?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And this is what we found out, that the way
leftism actually works is leftism doesn't reward results.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
What does leftism reward? Loyalty.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Leftism rewards, above all else, loyalty to others. the party
and loyalty to the revolution. And if you are loyal
to the party, you will be promoted and you will
be given higher and higher purchase, higher and higher office.
And by the way, until the point where they decide
(27:28):
they don't need you anymore, like Eric Swalwell found out
when then they just destroy you, then they just discard
you and they find somebody else like they did with him.
And so that's the way their structure works. It's not
based on achievement. It's not based on objective reality. It's
based on.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Loyalty to the revolution, loyalty to the party.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And this is how leftism has always worked in every
single one of these countries. And so it actually shouldn't
surprise us that someone who is a complete failure is
given this level of support.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Why? Because they are loyal.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And that is the single highest virtue that they are
actually looking for. And in fact- They would put a
premium on someone who isn't able to do anything else.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Why?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Because someone who's able to be successful in the real world,
in the private sector, isn't going to be as loyal
because they have other options. Guys like these, they have
nowhere else they can go. So, of course, Pete Buttigieg
is another great example. I bring him up all the time.
This guy is just a total head case, obviously.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Couldn't, you know, couldn't do anything in the real world.
He becomes director of transportation. What does he say? Oh,
I got I got.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Engaged at a train station or something was his, you know,
his qualification. But of course, but what is it above
all else?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
He's loyal.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And this is, of course, what I remember he was
looking at. That's why he moved to Michigan, because he
was looking to run for the Senate seat. And again,
they don't care that he's carpetbagging from Indiana because he's loyal.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now, he ended up not going for it because he
wants to run for president.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
But it's so obvious that when you take the playbook
and really just the lens that the Unhumans book gives
you to the left, it all suddenly kind of makes
sense because you're sitting there going, well, common sense would
say that, you know, how could they let somebody who
is a complete failure be a winner? And then you
but then you realize, unfortunately, the issue is that the
(29:13):
problem is actually much bigger than I think a lot
of people realize.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So this is why I think it's so important that
people read this, because they need to, if you're going
to talk about it, if you're going to be out
there warning people about this, you have to understand what
you're actually warning people of. And if you don't, if
you have never done any research, I mean, Karl Marx
is like every leftist out there, you know, wealthy parents
was the perpetual student was going out there, had never
(29:36):
worked a day in his life, but he's telling all
the workers you're being taken advantage of. And I'm like,
oh my gosh, how is it this many years later
and we still have a bunch of mini Karl Marx
running around and nobody knows that that doesn't actually work?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So the book, it's the second edition. The book is
called Unhumans, Socialist Revolution, And it's so important that you
understand they really believe that this is a revolution.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
They are desperate for a revolution so that they can
take the United States down. The only country keeping the
world in order right now is the United States.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They know that. They know that's their barrier to success.
success in elite control. And you're right.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
They just want to be the next ones in elite control.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And guess what?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
When look at what happened with President Xi how many
years ago when his top aide did something wrong. Remember,
he gets taken away from the table and you're like,
that guy's dead. I mean, that's how this works, because
when you get out of favor, off with your head.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
In fact, Xi Jinping, the way that he came to
power was so my background is predominant. When I was
in the Navy intelligence, my background was all China. And
so that's that's like the one area that I have actually,
you know, really, really got to speak Mandarin and have
gone way down the rabbit hole on. So Xi Jinping,
when he was first, you know, bandying for power again, remember,
(30:56):
there's no elections. So how do you get success in
a leftist system? You take out your rivals. What did
he do to Bo Xilai? So Bo Xilai was, remember,
this is the guy who runs Chongqing. So it was
one of the biggest cities. It was the biggest up-and-coming
city in all of China. He gets the Three Gorges
Dam built, which, of course, becomes this international project that
(31:16):
China's looking at to say, you know, of course, they
love their megaprojects in China, from the wall to the
canal to all the other things. And so, you know,
Bo Xilai looks like he's going to be the one
who's going to take control of the party. He's going
to ride all these, you know, purported successes to the top.
Xi Jinping comes in, goes around and gets all of
his gangsters around, all of his mafia out of Shanghai,
(31:37):
where he was the party chairman before he goes to Beijing.
I actually got to briefly meet him once when I
was in Shanghai, and he was the party chairman down
there back in like 2007. And the way they did it,
they brought him up on corruption charges. They said, this
guy is corrupt. They found the dirt on him, and
they had him arrested in the middle of the night.
I believe they had his wife arrested as well, because
(32:00):
those guys are as As crooked as.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
It gets, those guys are as ruthless as it gets.
There's no question.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
By the way, they did the exact same thing with
the communists in East Germany. When they were coming to power,
you had all these reprisals and just every system of
communism that you can find.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
It's endemic.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
It'll probably have happened to Xi Jinping at some point.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
We will see, though.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And in fact, the number one show in China right
now that if anyone's to go and look at it,
What they do is rather than having newspapers anymore where,
you know, oh, my gosh, here's this corrupt official, they
have reality shows. And they have reality shows in China
where the corrupt officials are then put on the show.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
And it's kind of like a Netflix documentary almost, except
it's real.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And it's also, you know, it's what's probably just about
as truthful as Netflix. And so they'll put the corrupt
official on TV, tell you how bad he is.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Tell you how.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Terrible he was to China, and then it always ends
with them being arrested and thrown in prison.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
That's the number one show in China right now.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That is what we're fighting against.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean, nothing is clearer than you have to fight
against your government just disappearing people off the street because
they don't agree.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It's insane, but that's where we are. Tell people where
they can get the book.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Oh, absolutely. Thank you so much. And it's up on Amazon.
We also have unhumansbook.com if anyone's interested. We've got like
some special editions, different things on there. Very honored that
President Trump came out a few days ago and endorsed
the book and threw it up on True Social.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
That was very, very gracious of him to do so.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
And I think he's done that because we've seen the
president now really since the 4th of July or I guess.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The night before the 250th.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He gave that speech at Mount Rushmore where he directly
said that the rise of communism is the greatest test
of our time and we need to confront this inhuman ideology.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
We absolutely do. Thank you. Thank you for still speaking
for Charlie, and thank you for coming on today.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Thanks so much, Tudor. God bless.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Absolutely. Jack Sobit, thank you, and thank you all for
listening to this episode of the Tudor Dixon Podcast. You
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