July 18, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show centers on the intersection of politics, culture, media, transportation, technology, and election-related debate, while continuing several themes introduced earlier in the program. The hosts begin by revisiting the growing discussion about the future of American entertainment and media production, arguing that audiences increasingly desire content focused on traditional storytelling, shared American values, and broadly appealing entertainment rather than politically driven programming. Clay and Buck discuss the possibility of major media companies expanding operations into Tennessee, highlighting Nashville’s emergence as a creative and cultural hub. They examine the success of content creators such as Taylor Sheridan and discuss how shifts in the entertainment industry could influence broader cultural and political trends across the United States. The hosts frame media, streaming platforms, content creation, and culture as key battlegrounds in shaping public opinion and national identity.
A significant portion of Hour 2 focuses on President Joe Biden’s forthcoming memoir, scheduled for release after the midterm elections. Clay and Buck debate the book’s likely reception, the state of Biden’s political legacy, and whether there remains a meaningful political constituency strongly associated with the former president. The discussion expands into a broader examination of the 2020 presidential election, voter turnout, election statistics, and political enthusiasm. The hosts compare Biden’s vote totals to historical election benchmarks and discuss why they believe the 2020 election remains a subject of ongoing political interest and debate among many voters. Topics include Joe Biden, presidential politics, election turnout, Democratic Party dynamics, voting trends, campaign history, and political memoirs.
The conversation then turns to technology and artificial intelligence, with both hosts discussing how AI-powered tools have changed the way they search for information. They compare traditional search engines with newer AI platforms, explaining how they increasingly rely on conversational AI for research, recommendations, travel assistance, shopping decisions, and everyday information gathering. This segment highlights the growing role of artificial intelligence, digital search tools, technology disruption, consumer behavior, and the evolving future of internet search.
Later in the hour, Clay and Buck continue discussing election data and political analysis, exploring arguments related to voter turnout fluctuations between election cycles. The hosts examine statistical anomalies and comparisons between the 2020 and 2024 elections, debating possible explanations for differences in turnout and voter participation. Their discussion covers campaign strategy, political demographics, voting behavior, election analysis, and broader questions surrounding the American electoral landscape.
The centerpiece of Hour 2 is a lengthy interview with Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, who joins the program to discuss ongoing transportation challenges and federal infrastructure priorities. A major focus of the interview involves airline travel disruptions, tarmac delays, airport congestion, and passenger frustrations. Duffy explains how weather events, gate availability, airport operations, and air traffic control limitations contribute to lengthy airline delays. The conversation examines airline industry operations, airport management, passenger communication, aviation challenges, and efforts to improve the overall travel experience for Americans.
Secretary Duffy also provides an update on efforts to modernize the nation’s air traffic control system. He discusses plans to replace aging infrastructure, upgrade communications technology, move from analog to digital systems, improve radar capabilities, and modernize aviation management tools. The interview explores aviation modernization, FAA operations, transportation policy, infrastructure investment, flight safety, airport efficiency, and workforce development. Duffy argues that technological upgrades and expanded staffing pipelines are essential for improving air travel reliability and reducing delays in the years ahead.
The discussion additionally addresses air traffic controller recruitment and training. Duffy explains the department’s current hiring efforts, workforce shortages, and attempts to increase the number of qualified controllers entering the system. Clay and Buck ask about previous diversity-focused hiring initiatives and their impact on recruitment and training outcomes. The conversation focuses on merit-based hiring, workforce development, aviation staffing, public safety, transportation management, and government policy.
The interview concludes with a discussion of transportation infrastructure grants and federal spen
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
and just want to remind you off you like to
watch the video. If you like a YouTube, you can
check us out there. The YouTube channel is rocking, so
please come a knocking. You will enjoy it very much.
And it's just Clay and Buck on YouTube we're doing.
We're streaming the three hours of show now, so check
(00:21):
it out. And with that play a few things that
I wanted to speak about here. Interesting, no one really
wants it just based on the calls and the emails
we're getting. No one really wants to talk about immigration enforcement.
No one really wants to talk about Iron right now. Everybody,
at least who's writing and calling him whatever, they all
want to talk. Moving paramount to Nashville content creation, the
(00:44):
next generation of Taylor's shri a dens if you will,
making great American content that people will actually consume, enjoy,
want their kids to watch with them. In some cases,
not all those Taylor Sheridan shows are kid friendly, but
you know what I mean, you know, enjoy with the fans.
So I think that that really does strike a nerve,
especially when we see the success of the Young Washington
(01:07):
movie which is Angel Studios in partnership with another studio,
I Forget.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Which is also Buck, largely based in the Nashville area.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So you know, there's there's an.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Ecosystem that I think could you got Nate Bargatzi, who
made you Know, is the most successful comedian that lives here.
I think there's a lot of creative talent that could
go to the next level, and Paramount could become the
company that tries to speak to the middle part of
the country like Buck Walt Disney used to do back
in the day before they decided that every animated character
(01:38):
had to be trans well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The funny thing is that that Paramount has this opportunity
and it reminds me of the old Roger Ayle's joke
about Fox News, which is, you found this this niche
audience of half the country that would appreciate the news
point of view from Fox. The content that the woke
left wants to create, I'm not even sure the woke
(02:01):
left really necessarily watches it, and they just like to
know that it's there and that they're ramming this down
the throats of everybody in America via Netflix and other things.
But the content that we're talking about even silly commies
might enjoy it if they were to watch it. It's
just entertaining. The whole purpose of it is not to
politically brainwash people over time, but to entertain people and
(02:25):
to bring us together with shared experience and shared values,
kind of like what the sports professional sports was supposed
to be for a long time and still is in
different ways. But you know, you've spent a lot of
time talking about how it's lost that mission in at
different moments, that's for sure. So there's that. So we'll
get into some more of your calls and all of
it on that. I this is one of these things
where people are really Okay, I was gonna do the
(02:47):
the time change bill because I get some people are
so passionate about I'm super passionate about you. I was
gonna do the Biden memoir just because a memoir about
a guy, a memoir about a guy who can't remember
anything is quite a is quite a thing. But you
want to talk about this first, Okay, Fine, Well then
we'll talk about the time. Because you time Eastern standard,
(03:09):
Eastern time, daylight saving. You people are like radicals, You
are clock gie hottists, like you are all about whatever
version of the time clock switching thing should have. I'm
just like, I just don't want to be winding my
clocks twice. I think it's the super annoying and we
shouldn't be doing this. It's a weird manipulation, but okay,
(03:30):
here we go. Biden will release a memoir just after
the November mid terms. The book Promise Me America will
come out on November seventeenth, will cover the tumultuous aspects
of his presidency as well as his reelection. Bid. The
fact that they are holding this until after the midterm election,
(03:53):
I think tells you a lot. Which is which is that.
I'm sure the publisher was like, look, there's gonna be
a lot of people who are gonna say they don't
really want Biden's even though no one will read this book.
No one will read this. This book will be bulk
bought by not even that much because the Biden name,
(04:13):
I think the Biden brand has been essentially destroyed, nullified
as a political entity. But the people that buy this
book will just buy a hardback of it to put
in a prominent place, like almost as a coffee table book,
to show people who they voted for. No one will
read this book except people like you and me who
work in which one of us, but we have to
(04:35):
do rock paper scissors. I read the comal of this book.
I will not read. I will tell you that I
have bought.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I read the uh, the Jake Tapper book, which I
actually thought was not awful. I mean it just confirmed
with a lot of us already knew U. And then
I just bought the new One Regime Change or whatever
it's called, Jonathan book. People say it's pretty good. Yeah,
I've got it in my travel bag, so I've been
reading it a bit as I've been traveling around this week.
(05:02):
So so I'll read that one.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
There is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I actually think this is this is very funny. Making
someone read Joe Biden's book should be a fantasy football
punishment for people out there. You know, you win first place,
usually get money. You come in last place, you have
to do something. A book report on Joe Biden's book
would be an incredible punishment. Making one of your kids,
(05:26):
instead of grounding them, making them read Joe Biden's book
and do a book report on each chapter. If you
really want to torture your children and you want to
threaten them if they don't obey you, what you're going
to be requiring. I think that this is the level
of what people are going to read. But I don't
even know that there is a Biden base, right, I mean,
(05:48):
this is where it feels like more and more people
are willing to at least acknowledge there's no way Joe
Biden legally got eighty one million votes. No way, Now
what number did he add actually get legally? You can
dispute and we can argue about that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I don't have you.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Do you even think any Democrats truly believe that Joe
Biden got at this point, now that we've seen what
Kamala could do, now that we've seen what Barack Obama
could do, what Hillary could do, all three of those
people at least have bases I think of support that
liked them more than anybody likes Joe Biden. The idea
that Biden got eighty one million votes, that he outperformed
(06:27):
Obama by thirteen million votes, that is crazy town.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I just wish that we had the clear like I
wish that it was something where you could say to anyone, Okay,
how did they how did they create? If you will,
assuming this how do they create over ten million votes
that shouldn't have been Like what is now? People will
start screaming when I say that, oh this or oh that,
(06:55):
But you'll notice there isn't actually one answer to the question,
which is a problem. Yeah, because that means there's not
a definitive. We all agree we know what the cheat was,
so that that a lot got you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The easy way to put it is, what could you
prove in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt
occurred that was fraudulent. Yes, I don't think that. I
think you can look at the end result and say
there's no way that that happened. It's almost like buck.
You can look at a guy who wins a bodybuilding
competition and just looking at him, you can be like,
I don't think that guy just ate a lot of
(07:32):
steak and protein and he has zero percent body fat.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And you know, if you're in a bodybuilding competition, like
a real one, you're on steroids. I mean, there's no
yes right now.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But everybody says they aren't. A lot of everybody says, oh,
it's all natural, like.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The funniest thing in the world. That's a whole other story.
By the way, the rise in steroid usage in this
country over the last decade I think would blow people's
minds if they actually had any idea how much more
common it is. And also HGH being used for therapeutic
might be one way of saying it purposes human growth hormone.
These are all things. These are things by the way,
(08:06):
that are not like FDA approved, not legal, not legal
meaning if you're taking it outside of a doctor's care,
et cetera. But there's a lot more of that going
on anyway. Side note, but yes, you're right about it's
super sketchy. It's super sketchy that Biden is supposed to
be the highest vote receiving president of all time. Yeah, number,
(08:28):
and that again, even with population increasing, I think there's
a decent chance that in twenty twenty eight no one
will get eighty one million votes on either side. Yet again,
in that race, what do you say to somebody who
would come back, And let's say you get a person
on the right who is not probid and is not
trying to make excuses, but says, you know, honestly, it's
(08:50):
really just because COVID was such a became so political
for Democrats. The whole COVID thing became a rallying cry
among them, and they got massive expansions of mail in voting,
and that that actually it's not that Biden. It's not
that there was a systematic cheating for Biden. It's that
(09:11):
the rules were bent and or you know, eliminated, but openly,
so so broadly that that COVID was actually the difference
maker for Biden, not a systematic campaign to cheat.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That argument would entailed, as you just mentioned that the
rules that allowed him to get eighty one million were
bent and or broken and also didn't exist elsewhere. I
would even strip away COVID though, and I would just look,
I think we have the data and steroids. Baseball era
is actually a good one, right, Like, you can go
and watch, Hey, somebody hit fifty home runs. I'm sitting
(09:49):
within viewing distance of the Atlanta Brave Stadium. I think
it was Brady Anderson one year hit fifty home runs.
Now as biceps suddenly went from twenty inches to thirty
five inches or whatever the heck they are, and you
could see him in his uniform and you could say, wait,
he never did this before. So all of the data
circumstantially was there which is why I always like to
say circumstantial evidence sometimes is very strong. And one of
(10:12):
the ones they teach you in law school is if
you go to bed and there's no snow outside, and
then you wake up the next morning and there's a
foot of snow on the ground, the evidence is circumstantial
that it snowed overnight because you didn't see it you
were sleeping, But the evidence is there. It's pretty self evidence.
Circumstantial evidence can be quite strong. I think we can
look at three years of Trump, I mean three election
(10:35):
cycles of Trump and just say that if that were
the case, Kamala would have been able to at least
come close to equaling what Joe Biden did. And what
does she end up with? Six million fewer votes than
Joe Biden in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So if you were to even say, and I think
this can be a good way of ab testing theories,
I'm a Grock guy, so I use Grock constantly now,
and I've replaced Google with Groc, so I'll even be like,
I need a drug store near me, I go to Groc.
Not that the exact same for me. I'm Google. You
you you betrayed my trust too, many times on too
(11:12):
many things over too many years. I'm a groc guy
now and by that that's a pretty just as an aside,
ten years ago, if you told me that I was
going to have something that would be more in my data,
you know, googling, it became a phrase for it. They
went from total search domination to I know they still
have their own AI and stuff now, but there's other Look,
I use Grock more than Google. So that's that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'll give you an example of something I use. And
I would encourage everybody Like I just needed to buy
sunglasses recently, and I was in a city I think
I was in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I didn't know where I was.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I was like, where's the fastest place I can walk
and get a pair of sunglasses? Just ask groc boom.
It says, hey, there's half mile away. You can go
to this location. They'll have the sunglasses that you're looking for.
You get You strike me as an aviator's guy, would
you go for I did go at aviators. In fact,
they're the ones that I've got right here right now.
(12:02):
I like the Maui gyms, but I went with the
ray bands because the Maui gyms were not in but
this is my preferred So.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You know what your SEC Frat brethren who all love you,
by the way, you know you are like the godfather
from old school. Like whenever there's SEC for Turney brothers,
they're like, there he is the godfather. They like all
start cheering. But the thing where they have the connector
behind the sunglass. Yes, so you can you know, sometimes
neon colored, sometimes even maybe like a little uh croaky.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think those are called that that like keep you
from losing your sunglasses. Because I'm a dad, now I
can go full dad mode, like I can wear my
new Balance sneakers and have that thing. And I might
even go fanny pack by the way, not a not
a mid strap on the chest.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's not go. You own the fanny pack there. My
wife is obsessed with the fanny pack. There's nothing wrong
with the fanny pack, the cross body bag for a guy.
I'm not that, don't you know, unless you're carrying like
a sig in there or something. I don't think that
even then do a fanny pack. But anyway, where was
I on the Oh? When I come back? How about this?
(13:03):
When we come back, I went into grond give me
the strongest factual statistical argument that Biden's eighty one million
is crap. Oh I'm curious. I will give it to you,
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in to Clay and Buck play. Sorry. I jumped the
gun there because I wanted to just get this out
and let's you react. This is your GROC.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is for a reminder for people who don't know
you looked up what GROC said, give us the query
again and I'm actually curious to know what the what
the result was, What did it tell you?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Question is what is the best argument that it's just
simply implausible? Biden got eighty one million votes? Uh, and
it says a few things. No single smoking gun proves
impossibility with Biden at eighty one point two eight million votes,
but it does strain credulity when viewed against election baselines. Again,
(15:35):
I'm reading from Grock right now. One bell Weather counties
and geographic narrowness. Dozens of counties that reliably predicted the
winner for decades, some since the eighteen hundreds, overwhelming me
back Trump. In twenty twenty, of the nineteen perfect bell weathers,
only one went for Biden and the rest went for
(15:55):
Trump by wide margins. So that's one. This is again,
these are stats. There's no nothing here other than numbers
that everyone agrees on and everyone can look up and check.
Twenty six plus accurate bell Weather showed Trump out performing
his national popular vote show dramatically, while Biden underperformed expectation. Well,
(16:15):
Biden would have been underforming expectations compared to Obama two
thousand and eight. Biden supposedly won nationally while losing those
Bellwether counties by double digits, and Biden won the fewest
counties of any modern winner, less than twenty five or sorry,
about twenty five percent of counties. This is statistically anomalous,
(16:40):
and though those that's just off the top of the
And then they get into the implausibility of the turnout
and they simply say that population rose two to three
percent in twenty sixteen, seven million, seven million votes beyond
the you know, Biden had a seven million vote popular edge. Basically,
what they're saying is no models predicted this. They predicted
(17:03):
the opposite of this. Where did it come from? That's
from groc Yes.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I mean again, I think you're just hearing more and
more people, because I do think the twenty twenty four
outcome was significant. If Kamala Harris had gotten eighty three
million votes, I think some people would have taken a
step back. But the fact that she came six million
votes short of what Biden was able to produce. I
think a lot of people are just saying it feels
(17:31):
Biden's twenty twenty victory. It feels a lot like the
steroids era in baseball, when suddenly Barry Bonds is going
out and hitting seventy three home runs and then nobody
else can come close to equalizing it after and so
it's a statistical anomaly that definitely makes you say, Okay,
what happened here? Something different than if you're the kid
(17:51):
that stole the test before the math exam. You don't
want to get one hundred on that test play If
your average was a seventy five, you know what I'm saying,
You got to keep it than the realm of reasonable.
It raised eyebrows up next to Secretary Sean Duffy. But
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We're joined
now by Secretary of transp Rotation Duffy. Secretary Duffy, appreciate
you coming to hang out with us here on Clay
and Buck.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
It is great to be with you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Man appreciate you. So this was we want to check
in with you regardless. We have a number of topics
that we are going to cover with you today. But
having just experienced this myself and having had a plane
full of people who were, let's just say, at their
wits end, I wanted to get the best possible explanation
for what is going on with air travel these days,
(19:31):
and for anybody who's wondering why, I think this is
an imminent question. The number is Secretary Duffy. For extreme
delays on tarmacs have been getting worse, at least according
to what's publicly available data over the last couple of years.
There's I know a lot of reasons for this, but
when something in the airline industry is getting worse, and
(19:53):
especially when there's not some Democrat communist in charge in
the White House, people ask questions like, hold on a second,
why isn't this get better, what's going on with the
delays and specifically tarmac delays, what's being done to address it?
And why is it that this feels like it's an
area that is so stubborn to resolve.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, so, first off, and we get flights that when.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
They're around weather, which I think was you know Bucks flight.
What happens is you have ground stop. And when you
have a ground stop, you have airplanes that are.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Still at the gate. They're supposed to take off what's.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Back half an hour an hour before, Well they don't
because they can't take off, and that's.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The gate that you're supposed to go to. So you
wait in the tarmac until they get cleared for takeoff.
And that is an issue of weather.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And you know, sometimes here's what I think.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The problem is. You uhould have pilots on airplanes say.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Hey, everybody, this is what's going on. There's a ground
stop or gates not open. You might look out your
left hand side of the window and use the open gates.
Those they're not our gates, they're not our employees, they're
not our equipment. We can't go into those gates. You
might see them, but we can't go there. We're waiting
for our gates to open. I think it's the communication
problem first off, so people know what's happening.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But when you say that, that things.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So the numbers have gone up from twenty twenty four
to twenty twenty five. There's more tarmac delays.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Extreme just to be cleared like extreme. These are delays
that are going for hours. This is not like a
five minute delay.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Go ahead, right, sure. And the reason that's happened is
number one there. Last year there we had a significant
problem for delays and one event in New York City
where they got into the rain. We had sixty plus
planes that were that were that had a long delay
(21:50):
on the tarmac. But you can't forget we had the
longest government shut down in American history, led by Democrats,
and you guys covered this on your show. We had
air traffic controllers that weren't coming to work. Air traffic
controllers that were taking another jobs and that created significant
gridlock during that time frame that made.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The numbers go up.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
So here's let's level set this. This what's happening. You have weather,
you have mechanical issues.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
With the airplanes.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
That's a majority of the delays that you'll see and
significant delays. A portion of it, though, is air traffic control, right,
that's what I have controller.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I can't control the weather. You guys know that I.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Can't get But the weather, also, Secretary of Duffy hasn't
gotten worse in the last two years. Like that's not
a thing. So we understand. Everyone understands that there's thunder
and lightning, the plane can't take off.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Now listen, if you look at.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It, I look at the numbers just like you did.
So I looked at why did the numbers go up?
And we had a couple of incidents in twenty twenty
five that caused the numbers to pop and then we
had a significant sutdown.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
So I'm not an apology an apologist for delays. They're horrible.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I'm doing all I can to make the system better.
So let's talk about that. I inherited a system that
we talked.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
About a lot.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It's old, it's antiquated. No one has done anything for
twenty years, twenty five years to fix it. So I
got twelve and a half billion dollars from Congress. We're
putting in new fiber lines replacing copper.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
We're sixty percent done with that.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
We're going to go from analog to digital. We have
nineteen seventies radios where static keys. We're going to put
in brand new radio radio, quisp communications, new radar, new
technology in the tower. So that's all the infrastructure of
what the controllers use. But that doesn't really change. It's
(23:41):
a little bit changes, but doesn't fully change the experience
of the traveler. I need to drive efficiency. How do
I make the airspace operate better? How can I navigate?
Have airplanes navigate storms better? So you don't see a
two hours to lay on a tarmac?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Right? How can we have.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And again I'm not trying to reput secretary of just
people understand. I just experienced a two hour delay with
one hundred and eighty other people after landing. So it's
not like we couldn't take off. It was no, we're
just gonna sit here. We're gonna sit here for two
hours after three hour flight. Because then so that brings
me to American Airlines, which is the flight that I
was on. I have been told by people who would
know has made a decision for cost cutting reasons to
(24:23):
run on bare bones skeleton crew in terms of rampers,
in terms of basically the ground crew when you land.
The idea being we're just going to pass the delays
and the frustration on to passengers. But that keeps our
costs down day to day. So deal with it as
long as we have you out before three hours. If
you've landed, too bad for you? Is that true?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Well, I don't have that sort of like you have.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
But I don't think airlines are in the business of
kind of piss off passengers.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Okay, go ahead's true.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
But I'm gon talk. I'm gonna talk about your flight. So,
if you have a groundstop, you were allowed to land.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But at your gate there's still a plane that was
supposed to leave forty five minutes before you got there.
It's still at the gate because it can't take off.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You don't have a gate to go to, so where
are you going to go? Right? That's why you said
in a parmac. Your gate was not available.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
There was a plane in it because it couldn't take
off because of the weather in the northeast.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
That's what happened to you. And then you looked at
your window and you saw open gates.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You were flying on an American and you were being
Delta gates, right, So you don't have American.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Employees at the Delta gates. You don't have American equipment
at the Delta.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Gates, and we don't because of safety and they have
different equipment. I don't have Delta employees operate equipment that
they don't know for an American airplane like, we don't
do that. So that was your situation. Fully looked into
it now, I think the pilots could have.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Expressed that to you. You see gates either.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Delta gates, if you can't go there, we have airplanes
in our gate that we're supposed to go to they
can't lead because of the ground stop. That might make
you feel better about what that could.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Be happening, Secretary Duffy in.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
The area it was. It was not a situation where there.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Wasn't enough staff.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
It was weather confirmed by.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
The FA and the other airlines on the day.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Of your plane, Secretary Duffy, one of the things that's
super frustrating to a lot of people is your predecessor,
Mayor Pete. Thanks for coming on with us. Your predecessor,
Mayor Pete focused on DEI when it came to hires,
and oftentimes that is really detrimental to the overall environment.
(26:40):
I think for most people, when you get on a plane,
the number one thing you care about is can the
pilot land the plane safely? Not what is the race
or gender or sexual orientation of a pilot. And certainly
when it comes to air traffic control, there's even been
reports that one of the issues was the air traffic
controllers were over indexing for white men. That some of
the reports that I've seen, What does the data reflect
(27:02):
that you have been able to uncover since then? Was
that actually occurring? And what can be done? And what
have you done to potentially make that better?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
So this actually is not This wasn't Pete Mayor Peete.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
This was actually a program implemented under the Obama administration.
They thought that there was too many white men as
air traffic controllers. They wanted to diversify air traffic controllers,
and so they tried to bring in people that were
non white men, and they successfully brought people into.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The academy when they did.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
That, but the rules of the academy didn't change on
who can graduate and who can't. And even though they
brought in more diversity highers when they did that, we
had some of the lowest throughputs.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Of the academy. They didn't pass, so we didn't get the.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Controllers, you know, get into the school. So you still
have to go through the school and you still have
to pass the we still have to get certified in
the airspace, and so they weren't able to get into.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Towers to the DEI program. But the effort was made.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
And so what we do is we look for the
best and the brightest. I don't care your sex, your race,
your preference, we don't care. What we want is the
best air traffic controllers. Which is why this year we
put out a request for gamers. We had twelve thousand
applications in twelve hours, eight thousand buck qualified. We have
more throughput in the Academy for air traffic controlos than
(28:33):
we've had in six years. The best controllers are the
oldest controllers instead of having them retire I've offered them
a twenty percent upfront tack bonus to stay on and
keep working because we do have a shortage. But yeah,
I have four thousand in the pipeline right now. For
air traffic controlers, we have eleven thousand, again, the most we've.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Had in six years.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
We're supercharging our controllers come into the system. But I
guess to both of you, you haven't seen anybody focus
more or do more in aviation in the thirty years.
This modernization is It's a huge effort. I think it's
one of the most significant economic investments that the country
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is making. And we're doing it under budget and we are.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
On time now. The software part of it.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
The Congress didn't give me the money for software. I
need money to finish the software build because we've saved money.
We're doing it even without Congress giving us the cash.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But that is the magic.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You want efficiency and safety in the airspace and using
think about think about Windows ninety five. Who would use
Windows ninety five today when you have all the tools
and technology that you have today, We're using a version
of air traffic control that would be like Windows ninety five.
You don't have the benefit of all the technological advancements
that we've seen over thirty years. We want to give
(29:53):
that air traffic.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Controllers and deploy that in the.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Airspace, which is going to bring way more efficiency, which
means there's way more delays.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I know, I know, you have nine kids that you're
responsible for in addition for all travel across the country.
One of your son in laws, I believe, is endorsed
by President Trump to be in Congress. You served in Congress.
Before you get to brag on the kids and the
in laws, probably not as much as you would like.
Tell us about your son in law, his campaign and
(30:22):
what you think he could bring to bear when it
comes to adding some more talent to Capitol Hill.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
So his name is Mike Wilfon though he is a remarkable,
hard working, smart young man, twenty six years old, one
of these kids that got involved in politics once he
saw tarlor troops murder. He was, you know, a huge fan,
had met Parley and you've seen this younger generation who
are inspired by him getting involved in politics.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And so if you look at the left has done well.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
The youth movement, the socialist youth movement in America is
a foot The Democrat socials of America are expanding and growing.
If you want to blunt that with young people, old
people are.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Not effective in delivering that message. You need young people in.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Positions of leadership to deliver the message of free enterprise
and conservative values to young people. So and again President
Trump has met him, loved him, endorsed him.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
This kid's as he's a fighter, he's a math major,
smart young man.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And we come from a pretty big district in northern Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I think a twenty all a part of twenty six.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Counties, born and raised here and loved the place, hunt
fifes and will represent the.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
People of this district really well. So but you know all.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Races, they're tough, and he's working as he's working his sailoff.
Nothing is given to anybody seven days a week, twelve
hours a day, which is what you have to do
if you want to represent people.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Secretary Duffy Transporation Secretary Duffie with this now we just
have that a minute, sure, So I want to jump
in real quick with tell us about because this is
another positive issue. If you guys are working on the
build grants, what are they and what are they doing
for everybody?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
So well, we changed from the last administration. The last
administration didn't call the build a grants build grants, they
called them raise grant where they wanted to focus on diversity, equity,
and inclusions. And so we now have gone back to
what it's a build a grant, work billion dollars in
need in American infrastructure, roads and bridges. The last administration
(32:30):
took twenty percent of this grant two hundred million dollars,
and instead of building roads and bridges, they built bike lanes.
Now again, love bikes, but when you don't have enough
roads and bridges, we should not be building bike lanes,
and especially from the federal government. If your community want
to bike lane, do it. We've taken out the bike
lanes and we're going back to core infrastructure, the projects
(32:52):
that Americans ride on, drive.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
On every single day.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
But we're getting back to common sense policies that makes
this country active work.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
As opposed to the crazy ideas of the leftists that
ran the last Administraven.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Transportation Secretary Duffy, thank you so much for explaining what's
going on today to everybody. Appreciate you being here and
good luck.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Thanks Ben.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
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This is one of the crazy things that's going on.
The Democrats are staying committed to the idea that men
can be women. This is going viral. I don't know
if you have seen it. This is a UC San
Francisco Med School dean chancellor, high level person saying the
vast majority of pregnancies occur in women.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Of course, vast majority of pregnancies are in women. And
I have absolutely no problem with using the word pregnant women.
I use it myself.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
That's a non biological woman ever had a baby? A
transgender can that's not a biological woman. Has a non
biological woman ever had a baby? I would reiterate, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Buck, this is where we are. They're going to the
mad on this one, Yes they are. And you are
going to a soccer game, I am Buck. How nervous
are you for on behalf of jolly Old England play.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
England's going home with that trophy, that trophy trophy. They're
gonna win the whole thing. You're gonna be cheering for
them in the stands. We'll be back with the third
hour here. Stick around.
Okay, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
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And it's just Clay and Buck on YouTube we're doing.
We're streaming the three hours of show now, so check
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it out. And with that play a few things that
I wanted to speak about here. Interesting, no one really
wants it just based on the calls and the emails
we're getting. No one really wants to talk about immigration enforcement.
No one really wants to talk about Iron right now. Everybody,
at least who's writing and calling him whatever, they all
want to talk. Moving paramount to Nashville content creation, the
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next generation of Taylor's shri a dens if you will,
making great American content that people will actually consume, enjoy,
want their kids to watch with them. In some cases,
not all those Taylor Sheridan shows are kid friendly, but
you know what I mean, you know, enjoy with the fans.
So I think that that really does strike a nerve,
especially when we see the success of the Young Washington
(01:07):
movie which is Angel Studios in partnership with another studio,
I Forget.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Which is also Buck, largely based in the Nashville area.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So you know, there's there's an.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Ecosystem that I think could you got Nate Bargatzi, who
made you Know, is the most successful comedian that lives here.
I think there's a lot of creative talent that could
go to the next level, and Paramount could become the
company that tries to speak to the middle part of
the country like Buck Walt Disney used to do back
in the day before they decided that every animated character
(01:38):
had to be trans well.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The funny thing is that that Paramount has this opportunity
and it reminds me of the old Roger Ayle's joke
about Fox News, which is, you found this this niche
audience of half the country that would appreciate the news
point of view from Fox. The content that the woke
left wants to create, I'm not even sure the woke
(02:01):
left really necessarily watches it, and they just like to
know that it's there and that they're ramming this down
the throats of everybody in America via Netflix and other things.
But the content that we're talking about even silly commies
might enjoy it if they were to watch it. It's
just entertaining. The whole purpose of it is not to
politically brainwash people over time, but to entertain people and
(02:25):
to bring us together with shared experience and shared values,
kind of like what the sports professional sports was supposed
to be for a long time and still is in
different ways. But you know, you've spent a lot of
time talking about how it's lost that mission in at
different moments, that's for sure. So there's that. So we'll
get into some more of your calls and all of
it on that. I this is one of these things
where people are really Okay, I was gonna do the
(02:47):
the time change bill because I get some people are
so passionate about I'm super passionate about you. I was
gonna do the Biden memoir just because a memoir about
a guy, a memoir about a guy who can't remember
anything is quite a is quite a thing. But you
want to talk about this first, Okay, Fine, Well then
we'll talk about the time. Because you time Eastern standard,
(03:09):
Eastern time, daylight saving. You people are like radicals, You
are clock gie hottists, like you are all about whatever
version of the time clock switching thing should have. I'm
just like, I just don't want to be winding my
clocks twice. I think it's the super annoying and we
shouldn't be doing this. It's a weird manipulation, but okay,
(03:30):
here we go. Biden will release a memoir just after
the November mid terms. The book Promise Me America will
come out on November seventeenth, will cover the tumultuous aspects
of his presidency as well as his reelection. Bid. The
fact that they are holding this until after the midterm election,
(03:53):
I think tells you a lot. Which is which is that.
I'm sure the publisher was like, look, there's gonna be
a lot of people who are gonna say they don't
really want Biden's even though no one will read this book.
No one will read this. This book will be bulk
bought by not even that much because the Biden name,
(04:13):
I think the Biden brand has been essentially destroyed, nullified
as a political entity. But the people that buy this
book will just buy a hardback of it to put
in a prominent place, like almost as a coffee table book,
to show people who they voted for. No one will
read this book except people like you and me who
work in which one of us, but we have to
(04:35):
do rock paper scissors. I read the comal of this book.
I will not read. I will tell you that I
have bought.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I read the uh, the Jake Tapper book, which I
actually thought was not awful. I mean it just confirmed
with a lot of us already knew U. And then
I just bought the new One Regime Change or whatever
it's called, Jonathan book. People say it's pretty good. Yeah,
I've got it in my travel bag, so I've been
reading it a bit as I've been traveling around this week.
(05:02):
So so I'll read that one.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
There is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I actually think this is this is very funny. Making
someone read Joe Biden's book should be a fantasy football
punishment for people out there. You know, you win first place,
usually get money. You come in last place, you have
to do something. A book report on Joe Biden's book
would be an incredible punishment. Making one of your kids,
(05:26):
instead of grounding them, making them read Joe Biden's book
and do a book report on each chapter. If you
really want to torture your children and you want to
threaten them if they don't obey you, what you're going
to be requiring. I think that this is the level
of what people are going to read. But I don't
even know that there is a Biden base, right, I mean,
(05:48):
this is where it feels like more and more people
are willing to at least acknowledge there's no way Joe
Biden legally got eighty one million votes. No way, Now
what number did he add actually get legally? You can
dispute and we can argue about that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I don't have you.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Do you even think any Democrats truly believe that Joe
Biden got at this point, now that we've seen what
Kamala could do, now that we've seen what Barack Obama
could do, what Hillary could do, all three of those
people at least have bases I think of support that
liked them more than anybody likes Joe Biden. The idea
that Biden got eighty one million votes, that he outperformed
(06:27):
Obama by thirteen million votes, that is crazy town.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I just wish that we had the clear like I
wish that it was something where you could say to anyone, Okay,
how did they how did they create? If you will,
assuming this how do they create over ten million votes
that shouldn't have been Like what is now? People will
start screaming when I say that, oh this or oh that,
(06:55):
But you'll notice there isn't actually one answer to the question,
which is a problem. Yeah, because that means there's not
a definitive. We all agree we know what the cheat was,
so that that a lot got you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The easy way to put it is, what could you
prove in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt
occurred that was fraudulent. Yes, I don't think that. I
think you can look at the end result and say
there's no way that that happened. It's almost like buck.
You can look at a guy who wins a bodybuilding
competition and just looking at him, you can be like,
I don't think that guy just ate a lot of
(07:32):
steak and protein and he has zero percent body fat.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And you know, if you're in a bodybuilding competition, like
a real one, you're on steroids. I mean, there's no
yes right now.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But everybody says they aren't. A lot of everybody says, oh,
it's all natural, like.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The funniest thing in the world. That's a whole other story.
By the way, the rise in steroid usage in this
country over the last decade I think would blow people's
minds if they actually had any idea how much more
common it is. And also HGH being used for therapeutic
might be one way of saying it purposes human growth hormone.
These are all things. These are things by the way,
(08:06):
that are not like FDA approved, not legal, not legal
meaning if you're taking it outside of a doctor's care,
et cetera. But there's a lot more of that going
on anyway. Side note, but yes, you're right about it's
super sketchy. It's super sketchy that Biden is supposed to
be the highest vote receiving president of all time. Yeah, number,
(08:28):
and that again, even with population increasing, I think there's
a decent chance that in twenty twenty eight no one
will get eighty one million votes on either side. Yet again,
in that race, what do you say to somebody who
would come back, And let's say you get a person
on the right who is not probid and is not
trying to make excuses, but says, you know, honestly, it's
(08:50):
really just because COVID was such a became so political
for Democrats. The whole COVID thing became a rallying cry
among them, and they got massive expansions of mail in voting,
and that that actually it's not that Biden. It's not
that there was a systematic cheating for Biden. It's that
(09:11):
the rules were bent and or you know, eliminated, but openly,
so so broadly that that COVID was actually the difference
maker for Biden, not a systematic campaign to cheat.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That argument would entailed, as you just mentioned that the
rules that allowed him to get eighty one million were
bent and or broken and also didn't exist elsewhere. I
would even strip away COVID though, and I would just look,
I think we have the data and steroids. Baseball era
is actually a good one, right, Like, you can go
and watch, Hey, somebody hit fifty home runs. I'm sitting
(09:49):
within viewing distance of the Atlanta Brave Stadium. I think
it was Brady Anderson one year hit fifty home runs.
Now as biceps suddenly went from twenty inches to thirty
five inches or whatever the heck they are, and you
could see him in his uniform and you could say, wait,
he never did this before. So all of the data
circumstantially was there which is why I always like to
say circumstantial evidence sometimes is very strong. And one of
(10:12):
the ones they teach you in law school is if
you go to bed and there's no snow outside, and
then you wake up the next morning and there's a
foot of snow on the ground, the evidence is circumstantial
that it snowed overnight because you didn't see it you
were sleeping, But the evidence is there. It's pretty self evidence.
Circumstantial evidence can be quite strong. I think we can
look at three years of Trump, I mean three election
(10:35):
cycles of Trump and just say that if that were
the case, Kamala would have been able to at least
come close to equaling what Joe Biden did. And what
does she end up with? Six million fewer votes than
Joe Biden in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So if you were to even say, and I think
this can be a good way of ab testing theories,
I'm a Grock guy, so I use Grock constantly now,
and I've replaced Google with Groc, so I'll even be like,
I need a drug store near me, I go to Groc.
Not that the exact same for me. I'm Google. You
you you betrayed my trust too, many times on too
(11:12):
many things over too many years. I'm a groc guy
now and by that that's a pretty just as an aside,
ten years ago, if you told me that I was
going to have something that would be more in my data,
you know, googling, it became a phrase for it. They
went from total search domination to I know they still
have their own AI and stuff now, but there's other Look,
I use Grock more than Google. So that's that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'll give you an example of something I use. And
I would encourage everybody Like I just needed to buy
sunglasses recently, and I was in a city I think
I was in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I didn't know where I was.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I was like, where's the fastest place I can walk
and get a pair of sunglasses? Just ask groc boom.
It says, hey, there's half mile away. You can go
to this location. They'll have the sunglasses that you're looking for.
You get You strike me as an aviator's guy, would
you go for I did go at aviators. In fact,
they're the ones that I've got right here right now.
(12:02):
I like the Maui gyms, but I went with the
ray bands because the Maui gyms were not in but
this is my preferred So.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You know what your SEC Frat brethren who all love you,
by the way, you know you are like the godfather
from old school. Like whenever there's SEC for Turney brothers,
they're like, there he is the godfather. They like all
start cheering. But the thing where they have the connector
behind the sunglass. Yes, so you can you know, sometimes
neon colored, sometimes even maybe like a little uh croaky.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think those are called that that like keep you
from losing your sunglasses. Because I'm a dad, now I
can go full dad mode, like I can wear my
new Balance sneakers and have that thing. And I might
even go fanny pack by the way, not a not
a mid strap on the chest.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
That's not go. You own the fanny pack there. My
wife is obsessed with the fanny pack. There's nothing wrong
with the fanny pack, the cross body bag for a guy.
I'm not that, don't you know, unless you're carrying like
a sig in there or something. I don't think that
even then do a fanny pack. But anyway, where was
I on the Oh? When I come back? How about this?
(13:03):
When we come back, I went into grond give me
the strongest factual statistical argument that Biden's eighty one million
is crap. Oh I'm curious. I will give it to you,
but you have to hang out with us through this break.
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in to Clay and Buck play. Sorry. I jumped the
gun there because I wanted to just get this out
and let's you react. This is your GROC.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is for a reminder for people who don't know
you looked up what GROC said, give us the query
again and I'm actually curious to know what the what
the result was, What did it tell you?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Question is what is the best argument that it's just
simply implausible? Biden got eighty one million votes? Uh, and
it says a few things. No single smoking gun proves
impossibility with Biden at eighty one point two eight million votes,
but it does strain credulity when viewed against election baselines. Again,
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I'm reading from Grock right now. One bell Weather counties
and geographic narrowness. Dozens of counties that reliably predicted the
winner for decades, some since the eighteen hundreds, overwhelming me
back Trump. In twenty twenty, of the nineteen perfect bell weathers,
only one went for Biden and the rest went for
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Trump by wide margins. So that's one. This is again,
these are stats. There's no nothing here other than numbers
that everyone agrees on and everyone can look up and check.
Twenty six plus accurate bell Weather showed Trump out performing
his national popular vote show dramatically, while Biden underperformed expectation. Well,
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Biden would have been underforming expectations compared to Obama two
thousand and eight. Biden supposedly won nationally while losing those
Bellwether counties by double digits, and Biden won the fewest
counties of any modern winner, less than twenty five or sorry,
about twenty five percent of counties. This is statistically anomalous,
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and though those that's just off the top of the
And then they get into the implausibility of the turnout
and they simply say that population rose two to three
percent in twenty sixteen, seven million, seven million votes beyond
the you know, Biden had a seven million vote popular edge. Basically,
what they're saying is no models predicted this. They predicted
(17:03):
the opposite of this. Where did it come from? That's
from groc Yes.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I mean again, I think you're just hearing more and
more people, because I do think the twenty twenty four
outcome was significant. If Kamala Harris had gotten eighty three
million votes, I think some people would have taken a
step back. But the fact that she came six million
votes short of what Biden was able to produce. I
think a lot of people are just saying it feels
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Biden's twenty twenty victory. It feels a lot like the
steroids era in baseball, when suddenly Barry Bonds is going
out and hitting seventy three home runs and then nobody
else can come close to equalizing it after and so
it's a statistical anomaly that definitely makes you say, Okay,
what happened here? Something different than if you're the kid
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that stole the test before the math exam. You don't
want to get one hundred on that test play If
your average was a seventy five, you know what I'm saying,
You got to keep it than the realm of reasonable.
It raised eyebrows up next to Secretary Sean Duffy. But
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We're joined
now by Secretary of transp Rotation Duffy. Secretary Duffy, appreciate
you coming to hang out with us here on Clay
and Buck.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
It is great to be with you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Man appreciate you. So this was we want to check
in with you regardless. We have a number of topics
that we are going to cover with you today. But
having just experienced this myself and having had a plane
full of people who were, let's just say, at their
wits end, I wanted to get the best possible explanation
for what is going on with air travel these days,
(19:31):
and for anybody who's wondering why, I think this is
an imminent question. The number is Secretary Duffy. For extreme
delays on tarmacs have been getting worse, at least according
to what's publicly available data over the last couple of years.
There's I know a lot of reasons for this, but
when something in the airline industry is getting worse, and
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especially when there's not some Democrat communist in charge in
the White House, people ask questions like, hold on a second,
why isn't this get better, what's going on with the
delays and specifically tarmac delays, what's being done to address it?
And why is it that this feels like it's an
area that is so stubborn to resolve.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, so, first off, and we get flights that when.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
They're around weather, which I think was you know Bucks flight.
What happens is you have ground stop. And when you
have a ground stop, you have airplanes that are.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Still at the gate. They're supposed to take off what's.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Back half an hour an hour before, Well they don't
because they can't take off, and that's.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The gate that you're supposed to go to. So you
wait in the tarmac until they get cleared for takeoff.
And that is an issue of weather.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
And you know, sometimes here's what I think.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
The problem is. You uhould have pilots on airplanes say.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Hey, everybody, this is what's going on. There's a ground
stop or gates not open. You might look out your
left hand side of the window and use the open gates.
Those they're not our gates, they're not our employees, they're
not our equipment. We can't go into those gates. You
might see them, but we can't go there. We're waiting
for our gates to open. I think it's the communication
problem first off, so people know what's happening.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But when you say that, that things.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So the numbers have gone up from twenty twenty four
to twenty twenty five. There's more tarmac delays.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Extreme just to be cleared like extreme. These are delays
that are going for hours. This is not like a
five minute delay.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Go ahead, right, sure. And the reason that's happened is
number one there. Last year there we had a significant
problem for delays and one event in New York City
where they got into the rain. We had sixty plus
planes that were that were that had a long delay
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on the tarmac. But you can't forget we had the
longest government shut down in American history, led by Democrats,
and you guys covered this on your show. We had
air traffic controllers that weren't coming to work. Air traffic
controllers that were taking another jobs and that created significant
gridlock during that time frame that made.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The numbers go up.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
So here's let's level set this. This what's happening. You have weather,
you have mechanical issues.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
With the airplanes.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
That's a majority of the delays that you'll see and
significant delays. A portion of it, though, is air traffic control, right,
that's what I have controller.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I can't control the weather. You guys know that I.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Can't get But the weather, also, Secretary of Duffy hasn't
gotten worse in the last two years. Like that's not
a thing. So we understand. Everyone understands that there's thunder
and lightning, the plane can't take off.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Now listen, if you look at.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
It, I look at the numbers just like you did.
So I looked at why did the numbers go up?
And we had a couple of incidents in twenty twenty
five that caused the numbers to pop and then we
had a significant sutdown.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
So I'm not an apology an apologist for delays. They're horrible.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I'm doing all I can to make the system better.
So let's talk about that. I inherited a system that
we talked.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
About a lot.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
It's old, it's antiquated. No one has done anything for
twenty years, twenty five years to fix it. So I
got twelve and a half billion dollars from Congress. We're
putting in new fiber lines replacing copper.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
We're sixty percent done with that.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
We're going to go from analog to digital. We have
nineteen seventies radios where static keys. We're going to put
in brand new radio radio, quisp communications, new radar, new
technology in the tower. So that's all the infrastructure of
what the controllers use. But that doesn't really change. It's
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a little bit changes, but doesn't fully change the experience
of the traveler. I need to drive efficiency. How do
I make the airspace operate better? How can I navigate?
Have airplanes navigate storms better? So you don't see a
two hours to lay on a tarmac?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Right? How can we have.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And again I'm not trying to reput secretary of just
people understand. I just experienced a two hour delay with
one hundred and eighty other people after landing. So it's
not like we couldn't take off. It was no, we're
just gonna sit here. We're gonna sit here for two
hours after three hour flight. Because then so that brings
me to American Airlines, which is the flight that I
was on. I have been told by people who would
know has made a decision for cost cutting reasons to
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run on bare bones skeleton crew in terms of rampers,
in terms of basically the ground crew when you land.
The idea being we're just going to pass the delays
and the frustration on to passengers. But that keeps our
costs down day to day. So deal with it as
long as we have you out before three hours. If
you've landed, too bad for you? Is that true?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Well, I don't have that sort of like you have.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
But I don't think airlines are in the business of
kind of piss off passengers.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Okay, go ahead's true.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
But I'm gon talk. I'm gonna talk about your flight. So,
if you have a groundstop, you were allowed to land.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But at your gate there's still a plane that was
supposed to leave forty five minutes before you got there.
It's still at the gate because it can't take off.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You don't have a gate to go to, so where
are you going to go? Right? That's why you said
in a parmac. Your gate was not available.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
There was a plane in it because it couldn't take
off because of the weather in the northeast.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
That's what happened to you. And then you looked at
your window and you saw open gates.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You were flying on an American and you were being
Delta gates, right, So you don't have American.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Employees at the Delta gates. You don't have American equipment
at the Delta.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Gates, and we don't because of safety and they have
different equipment. I don't have Delta employees operate equipment that
they don't know for an American airplane like, we don't
do that. So that was your situation. Fully looked into
it now, I think the pilots could have.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Expressed that to you. You see gates either.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Delta gates, if you can't go there, we have airplanes
in our gate that we're supposed to go to they
can't lead because of the ground stop. That might make
you feel better about what that could.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Be happening, Secretary Duffy in.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
The area it was. It was not a situation where there.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Wasn't enough staff.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
It was weather confirmed by.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
The FA and the other airlines on the day.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Of your plane, Secretary Duffy, one of the things that's
super frustrating to a lot of people is your predecessor,
Mayor Pete. Thanks for coming on with us. Your predecessor,
Mayor Pete focused on DEI when it came to hires,
and oftentimes that is really detrimental to the overall environment.
(26:40):
I think for most people, when you get on a plane,
the number one thing you care about is can the
pilot land the plane safely? Not what is the race
or gender or sexual orientation of a pilot. And certainly
when it comes to air traffic control, there's even been
reports that one of the issues was the air traffic
controllers were over indexing for white men. That some of
the reports that I've seen, What does the data reflect
(27:02):
that you have been able to uncover since then? Was
that actually occurring? And what can be done? And what
have you done to potentially make that better?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
So this actually is not This wasn't Pete Mayor Peete.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
This was actually a program implemented under the Obama administration.
They thought that there was too many white men as
air traffic controllers. They wanted to diversify air traffic controllers,
and so they tried to bring in people that were
non white men, and they successfully brought people into.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The academy when they did.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
That, but the rules of the academy didn't change on
who can graduate and who can't. And even though they
brought in more diversity highers when they did that, we
had some of the lowest throughputs.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Of the academy. They didn't pass, so we didn't get the.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Controllers, you know, get into the school. So you still
have to go through the school and you still have
to pass the we still have to get certified in
the airspace, and so they weren't able to get into.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Towers to the DEI program. But the effort was made.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
And so what we do is we look for the
best and the brightest. I don't care your sex, your race,
your preference, we don't care. What we want is the
best air traffic controllers. Which is why this year we
put out a request for gamers. We had twelve thousand
applications in twelve hours, eight thousand buck qualified. We have
more throughput in the Academy for air traffic controlos than
(28:33):
we've had in six years. The best controllers are the
oldest controllers instead of having them retire I've offered them
a twenty percent upfront tack bonus to stay on and
keep working because we do have a shortage. But yeah,
I have four thousand in the pipeline right now. For
air traffic controlers, we have eleven thousand, again, the most we've.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Had in six years.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
We're supercharging our controllers come into the system. But I
guess to both of you, you haven't seen anybody focus
more or do more in aviation in the thirty years.
This modernization is It's a huge effort. I think it's
one of the most significant economic investments that the country
(29:15):
is making. And we're doing it under budget and we are.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
On time now. The software part of it.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
The Congress didn't give me the money for software. I
need money to finish the software build because we've saved money.
We're doing it even without Congress giving us the cash.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But that is the magic.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You want efficiency and safety in the airspace and using
think about think about Windows ninety five. Who would use
Windows ninety five today when you have all the tools
and technology that you have today, We're using a version
of air traffic control that would be like Windows ninety five.
You don't have the benefit of all the technological advancements
that we've seen over thirty years. We want to give
(29:53):
that air traffic.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Controllers and deploy that in the.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Airspace, which is going to bring way more efficiency, which
means there's way more delays.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I know, I know, you have nine kids that you're
responsible for in addition for all travel across the country.
One of your son in laws, I believe, is endorsed
by President Trump to be in Congress. You served in Congress.
Before you get to brag on the kids and the
in laws, probably not as much as you would like.
Tell us about your son in law, his campaign and
(30:22):
what you think he could bring to bear when it
comes to adding some more talent to Capitol Hill.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
So his name is Mike Wilfon though he is a remarkable,
hard working, smart young man, twenty six years old, one
of these kids that got involved in politics once he
saw tarlor troops murder. He was, you know, a huge fan,
had met Parley and you've seen this younger generation who
are inspired by him getting involved in politics.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And so if you look at the left has done well.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
The youth movement, the socialist youth movement in America is
a foot The Democrat socials of America are expanding and growing.
If you want to blunt that with young people, old
people are.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Not effective in delivering that message. You need young people in.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Positions of leadership to deliver the message of free enterprise
and conservative values to young people. So and again President
Trump has met him, loved him, endorsed him.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
This kid's as he's a fighter, he's a math major,
smart young man.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And we come from a pretty big district in northern Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I think a twenty all a part of twenty six.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Counties, born and raised here and loved the place, hunt
fifes and will represent the.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
People of this district really well. So but you know all.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Races, they're tough, and he's working as he's working his sailoff.
Nothing is given to anybody seven days a week, twelve
hours a day, which is what you have to do
if you want to represent people.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Secretary Duffy Transporation Secretary Duffie with this now we just
have that a minute, sure, So I want to jump
in real quick with tell us about because this is
another positive issue. If you guys are working on the
build grants, what are they and what are they doing
for everybody?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
So well, we changed from the last administration. The last
administration didn't call the build a grants build grants, they
called them raise grant where they wanted to focus on diversity, equity,
and inclusions. And so we now have gone back to
what it's a build a grant, work billion dollars in
need in American infrastructure, roads and bridges. The last administration
(32:30):
took twenty percent of this grant two hundred million dollars,
and instead of building roads and bridges, they built bike lanes.
Now again, love bikes, but when you don't have enough
roads and bridges, we should not be building bike lanes,
and especially from the federal government. If your community want
to bike lane, do it. We've taken out the bike
lanes and we're going back to core infrastructure, the projects
(32:52):
that Americans ride on, drive.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
On every single day.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
But we're getting back to common sense policies that makes
this country active work.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
As opposed to the crazy ideas of the leftists that
ran the last Administraven.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Transportation Secretary Duffy, thank you so much for explaining what's
going on today to everybody. Appreciate you being here and
good luck.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Thanks Ben.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
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This is one of the crazy things that's going on.
The Democrats are staying committed to the idea that men
can be women. This is going viral. I don't know
if you have seen it. This is a UC San
Francisco Med School dean chancellor, high level person saying the
vast majority of pregnancies occur in women.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Of course, vast majority of pregnancies are in women. And
I have absolutely no problem with using the word pregnant women.
I use it myself.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
That's a non biological woman ever had a baby? A
transgender can that's not a biological woman. Has a non
biological woman ever had a baby? I would reiterate, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Buck, this is where we are. They're going to the
mad on this one, Yes they are. And you are
going to a soccer game, I am Buck. How nervous
are you for on behalf of jolly Old England play.
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England's going home with that trophy, that trophy trophy. They're
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