September 12, 2026 • 36 mins
Hour 3 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show blends political analysis, election strategy, media commentary, sports, artificial intelligence follow-up, and an extended interview with Ben Shapiro while continuing the show's ongoing discussion of the Lindsay Clancy case. The hour begins with analysis of newly released polling data in key midterm battlegrounds, discussion of President Donald Trump's trip to Dallas for the Republican midterm convention, and debate over the strategic timing of the event as it competes directly with the opening week of the NFL season.
A major topic throughout Hour 3 is the Republican Party's decision to hold its first-ever midterm convention during the same nights as high-profile NFL games. Clay strongly criticizes the scheduling decision, arguing that NFL opening week dominates American media consumption and will significantly reduce public attention on Republican messaging. The hosts discuss voter outreach, political communication, media strategy, election-year engagement, conservative messaging, and the challenge of attracting attention in a crowded media landscape. They question whether the convention can achieve its intended impact when competing against one of the most-watched entertainment properties in America.
The Lindsay Clancy case remains a recurring theme as listeners continue calling in with reactions to the verdict and the insanity defense. One caller shares personal experiences involving severe postpartum mental health struggles within his own family, prompting a broader discussion of mental illness, criminal responsibility, and how the legal system handles defendants who commit violent crimes while experiencing psychological disorders. Clay reiterates his position that the murder of children should trigger strict criminal liability regardless of mental state, while Buck explores larger philosophical and legal questions about accountability, mental illness, evil, and personal choice. Topics including criminal justice reform, insanity defenses, homicide law, forensic psychiatry, and sentencing standards are discussed at length.
The hosts also revisit themes from their earlier artificial intelligence conversation after playing listener feedback supporting continued American leadership in AI development. The discussion reinforces arguments that technological innovation should be embraced rather than feared and suggests that the United States must continue competing aggressively in emerging technologies. Listener commentary highlights concerns about global competition, innovation policy, and the importance of maintaining leadership in artificial intelligence and advanced technologies.
A significant portion of Hour 3 features an extensive interview with Ben Shapiro, covering politics, culture, social media, media partnerships, and the 2028 political landscape. During the conversation, Shapiro joins Clay and Buck in examining public reactions to the Lindsay Clancy case and argues that social media has amplified performative empathy and emotional identification among some online communities. The discussion explores how social media incentives, internet culture, true crime fascination, and identity-driven narratives can shape public responses to criminal cases.
The interview also explores Democratic Party politics and future presidential election dynamics. Clay asks Shapiro about the possibility of Kamala Harris becoming the Democratic presidential nominee in 2028. Shapiro argues that Harris remains a serious contender due to her support among Black voters and the structure of the Democratic primary calendar, particularly in states like South Carolina. The hosts discuss electoral strategy, demographic trends, primary elections, candidate viability, and the evolving political landscape leading toward the next presidential race.
[9/9/2026 3:03 PM] Mark Weiner: Another important segment centers on a newly announced partnership between Sport and State and The Daily Wire. Clay and Ben discuss the expansion of conservative media, digital content creation, podcasting, video programming, audience growth, and collaborative opportunities between the two organizations. The conversation highlights efforts to broaden conservative media offerings while reaching new audiences through sports, politics, and cultural commentary.
The political discussion continues with forecasts for the upcoming midterm elections. Shapiro provides his outlook on several key Senate and House races, expressing concern about certain Democratic candidates while predicting Republicans may narrowly retain the Senate but face difficulty holding the House. The hosts review battleground states, campaign strategy, congressional elections, voter turnout, polling trends, and broader implications for the 2028 election cycle.
The interview concludes with a lighter discussion about parenting, family life, and raising children. Shapiro
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in. Hour number three.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Clay and Buck, appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We have had a ton of reaction pouring in as
the Lindsey Clancy jurors have all spoken.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's not going to surprise you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We've got some takes from The View that are very
supportive of Lindsey Clancy. We've got two different new polls
that have come out, both in Michigan and in Maine,
both showing the Democrat In the lead, Abdul El-Sayed up
three in the CNN poll and up three. Troy Jackson
(00:37):
is in the main poll. Take those polls for whatever
you want to in terms of the value associated with them.
President Trump, as we speak right now, is headed to
Dallas for the midterm convention. which has never occurred before,
both Wednesday and Thursday, taking place in Dallas. Tomorrow I
(01:01):
will spend the day in Dallas. I'm running around Buckle
Have You solo. I'm going to be doing some work there,
going in and out in Dallas in the same day.
We're going to get to a bunch of your talkbacks.
We're going to get to a bunch of your calls.
But I would just say this off the top. I
wish they had asked me when they should schedule the
(01:25):
midterm convention. Tonight is the NFL kickoff game. There will
be 30 million-plus Americans, including me, who will be watching
as the Seahawks, the defending.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Super Bowl champions... are.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Taking on the New England Patriots, one of the most iconic, certainly,
of the 21st century franchises in the NFL. I can't
imagine why it makes sense to have President Trump going
head-to-head with the NFL. And it's not just Wednesday, Buck.
On Thursday, the NFL will also have a big game
(02:06):
taking place from Australia against The Rams, who are the
preseason Super Bowl favorite, will be playing the 49ers.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Can I just jump in really quickly? Because I have
a very strong... Who are you taking? 3.5 point spread
with New England and the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, with Hard Rock dot bet slash clay, I am
taking the Seahawks minus 3.5. Although, Buck, based on how
my picks went for opening weekend of college football... you
could do much worse than just saying, I'll take the
exact opposite of what Clay just took.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I was going to say, I'm going on a hard
rock to place my bet on the stout New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Plus three and a half, which means you get over
a field goal. Buck, who made this decision? They could
have waited until next week, and they could have said, hey,
we're going to do the midterm convention on Tuesday and
Wednesday of next week. There's no NFL competition. There's no
overlap at all. If you're trying to cut through the noise,
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and if you are trying to in some way talk
to young men, they're all going to be watching the NFL.
I don't understand why you would decide you can look
at the calendar. I would love for someone to tell
me why they decided to go head to head with
the NFL on both nights. Trump is going to get
(03:28):
crushed by NFL viewership. And even if you say, well,
the important thing is to just kind of cut through,
you're not going to cut through the noise. Whatever happens
in those games is going to be the primary conversation
that most young men, most men, period, are going to
be talking about. Why did they do this? They could
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have gone next week, Tuesday, Wednesday. There's no football overlap.
By the way, in Texas, probably the most football-crazed market
on the planet, Do you have any idea?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think we've got to talk back on this because
he was thinking like me. Talk back, A.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Hey, guys.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Tom from Louisville. Tonight and tomorrow night, we have yet
another example of how pathetic and stupid all of us are.
opening games of the NFL season. How brilliant they are.
They just continue to shoot themselves in the foot and
ruin everything that Trump is trying to do. Thank you,
(04:27):
our Republican Party.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Pathetic.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, I think that everybody deserves this because if Trump
had said, I want to do this on the moon,
they would have put him on an airplane and sent
him to space to try to do it, right? So
the Trump team agreed to this timing.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Now, maybe.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There's something to do with American Airlines Arena was already
scheduled on other days, and they ended up with only
having these options. I'm sure there were some scheduling logistical
decisions that were made. But I just got to tell you,
it does not make sense to me the way that
this is structured at all.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, does it make sense to you? Do you
get it?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
No. I don't have some.
Answer to why they would want to ignore. I mean,
I did not know about this football game until you
mentioned it. So that tells you where I am on
these things. But I know enough to know I wouldn't
want to put like the clay and buck extravaganza up
against the first football game of the season. So that's
(05:28):
I don't get it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean, I do a sports YouTube show. I never
go head to head with actual games. Because the actual
games are the things that everybody is watching. You don't
go head-to-head with actual games. So if somebody has an
idea of how this was able to happen, I'm surprised
it hasn't been a bigger discussion point. It's evident for
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some time what day the NFL was going to kick off,
but nobody competes with the NFL. Everybody just gets out
of the NFL's way because it's the ultimate steamroller for
of all other content. And so I get it that
the people who are diehard political aficionados may well be
paying attention and watching multiple hours of this. But your
(06:19):
goal is not to get diehard political aficionados. It's particularly
in states like Texas to make sure that people realize
how radical James Tallarico is. And my concern is that
a lot of those men that could be reached and
a lot of women, too, are going to be doing
what I'm doing. And that is putting the football game
on and watching it and paying way more attention to
(06:40):
it than anything that happens tonight or tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, also, I think that particularly you don't have this
isn't a presidential election year and you don't have Trump
on the ballot. And this is going to be about
those key individuals, state and and. And congressional race statewide
for Senate and congressional races that are happening in the
places that we're all watching, meaning the focus should be
(07:04):
on that. I don't really I don't understand the point
of a I mean, I understand the point as in
what they think it's doing. I think there's a reason
this hasn't been done before. And I think they may
be reminded of that in the aftermath of doing this
is my sense. But I could be wrong. It's rare,
but I could be wrong on this one. And we'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Um, we will see indeed. Uh, all right. Alex has
been waiting for a while.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Uh, by the way, you guys can weigh in if
you think that I'm wrong on this, but 800-282-2882.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Alex in Arizona, what you got for us?
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Hi there, Clayton Buck. Uh, first of all, I'm a
long time listener, listening to Rush for many years prior
to that and very conservative person. So I come out
from that standpoint, but I also come at it from
having a wife who was very normal, very, healthy, no
mental illness prior to having kids. And after our kids
were born, she suffered from many things, including five years
(08:03):
of literal hell, of delusions and psychosis and lots of
doctor visits and lots of all kinds of things happening
that I don't need to go into.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So you wouldn't, based on your experience, if you had
been on the jury, you would have found Lindsay Clancy
not guilty?
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Well, I'm just going to say this. Number one, I'm
not a lawyer, but I do think, in my opinion,
she is guilty, and she needs to be in a
mental institution. I don't know if they're not guilty. I
don't know enough about the not guilty.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Let me explain.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Let me explain if she is found not guilty by
reason of insanity then she goes into a mental health
hospital and whenever they deem her sane she can leave
free and clear so if and that could happen as
quickly as 40 days now when exactly medical professionals would
(09:05):
say hey She is no longer insane. We have been
able to treat her and she is now sane and
able to exit this mental hospital. She would then go
back out into the quote unquote real world and would
be totally free. So she could be in the mental
hospital for as few as 40 days and then go
back out.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
And I disagree with that as well. So I don't know.
I don't know the right answer legally. Although one thing
I do want to talk about is if she didn't
kill her kids and nobody has expressed this, what was her,
for reason of insanity, what was her motivation for killing
her kids? Was she wanting a better life? Was she
(09:48):
tired of being a mom? None of that's been expressed.
So I think you have to answer the question, without insanity,
What why did she kill her kids?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
To me, this is entirely the wrong debate. And that's
why I have said and I hope some states are
going to do this. State legislatures need to look at
why we allow insanity defenses when children are murdered. To me,
that's the real question here, because we know she killed them.
(10:22):
There is no dispute on that. There there shouldn't be
a defense of, oh, I wasn't like you did it.
Those kids are gone forever. Should there be consequences when
children are murdered for any reason whatsoever? My answer is yes.
And I don't particularly care. And I think for sure
(10:44):
most men are with me on this. What the motivations are.
But it's a good question, Buck. I mean, from a
philosophical level or just a larger societal discussion perspective, what
percentage of murderers are mentally ill in some way? I
would submit vast majority are mentally ill. Well, certainly in
(11:06):
people who kill their own family members.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean, look, most murders in this country involve, as
I understand it, I mean, I'm going a little bit
on the fly here with the statistics, but usually it involves, uh,
drugs and crime, basically meaning that, you know, people are
shooting each other over drug turf. And there's a huge number.
If you're looking for one category of what are most
(11:29):
of the homicides, for example, in Chicago, it's gang members
shooting each other. That's that's, that's the, or, or shooting
somebody in the course of a crime, but it's criminal
homicide versus a, uh, family, you know, murdering a family member.
out of some situation like this. Fortunately, that's rare. But
I still sit here and I go back to what
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I mentioned with psychiatrists for a long time now, struggling
with the existence of evil in psychiatry as a field
because that feels very almost religious as an answer, but
that is what they are left with with some of
the patients they deal with. It is not about some
extreme abuse they suffered as a child. It is not
about hearing voices or paranoid delusions or whatever. People just
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can choose evil, too. That is a thing. And now
there's a whole question as to why would anyone do that?
And that even feels like you're getting more religious in
your leaning. Why do good and evil exist? And you
get a bit existential here. But this is a real thing.
It has existed for not just evil and good and evil,
but I mean that people in the field of forensic
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psychiatry will say this is just who some people are.
They want to do this. And you're not left with
a better answer than that, that they have chosen evil.
So I think that is something that the caller, by
the way, I think asked very valid, very good questions.
But I think sometimes that is the answer. All right,
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going to ask Ben, Ben Shapiro is going to join
us the bottom of the hour. Does anybody out there
that is also an NFL fan find this as crazy
(15:28):
as I do that this is the great big game
changing plan of the Republican Party is we're going to
have a midterm convention and we're going to go head
to head against the NFL. And that is going to
be the event that changes the trajectory of the election.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I feel like the convention existed and exists to serve
a purpose. And so then you build out more of
the event around the purpose of, for example, picking the
nominee for your party.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
This is why we've had conventions. a midterm convention, what
are we doing?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's, you know, you know, Clay, it's a, you know,
you could tell me, you say, Hey, you know, my
birthday is coming up. Let's throw a huge party. And
it's like, great. And whatever we decided to do beyond that,
you know, we'd probably go with like an sec football theme.
So there'd be, you know, it'd be like football players
and sorority girls, whatever we go with, whatever we go with,
we have a reason for the party. If you just said,
(16:27):
let's just throw a party. I'd be like, okay, but why?
They're in the latter category. Like, what's the point of
this exact? I understand they're going to say, oh, it's
to talk about the midterms and stuff. But yeah, but
you can do that without this.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm not sure that I don't even disagree with the
concept of the midterm. I just think you could have
done it on Tuesday and Wednesday of next week when
there's nothing going on. You're getting in before October when
there's events that occur every day. Instead, you went directly
head to head with the NFL. I could have the
(16:59):
most brilliant show idea ever. They would never put it up.
I bet Netflix is not debuting any shows on Wednesday
or Thursday that are designed to appeal to men. You
might counter-program. and say, hey, we're going to start the
new Housewives franchise. Maybe the new version of The Bachelor
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or The Bachelorette could drop and go head-to-head with the
NFL because women might feel like their husbands, their boyfriends
are more likely to watch. And by the way, tons
of women watch the NFL now, too. It feels like
a completely unforced error. And 30 million people are going
to watch the NFL and there's going to be headlines,
you know, 4 million people watch Trump speak and 30
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million watch the NFL. I just I don't understand who
made this decision. And if they had just asked me,
I would have said, whatever you do, don't go head
to head with the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And they didn't ask me. And so we're going head
to head with the NFL.
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I did your show a little bit earlier. We're going
to get into a bunch, but I want to start
(19:13):
with just this. I can't get over the fact that,
first of all, there's going to be the first ever
midterm convention. and that the Republican thought leader said, let's
do it on Wednesday and Thursday, head-to-head, direct with NFL
kickoff games that are going to draw 30 million or
more people. Did anybody raise their hand and raise this
(19:36):
as an issue? If not, why not? Does this stand
out to you?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, it isn't a great set of facts.
I mean, I will say the decision-making process there seems
like it was somewhat flawed, but the truth is that
the Trump administration itself then the Trump campaign, it always
is a little bit seat of the pants. Remember the RNC,
they were, they're really deciding the details of who was
supposed to even speak at the RNC in 2024, about
24 hours before. So it's not a gigantic shock. They're
(20:01):
kind of throwing it together on the fly. And to
be fair to the people who are doing this, I
think that they're significantly less interested in tens of millions
of people watching it live and much more interested in
sort of the clips that are going to circulate from
the thing. Because let's be real, it's a list of
politicians who are going to be speaking in order. And
I doubt people are going to be glued to their
TV sets for the entirety of that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Ben, great to have you. I want to ask you,
as a very astute, high IQ individual, I don't want
to dive into the basics of the Lindsay Clancy thing
with you because You've covered on your show. We've been
covered on our show. I want to maybe advance beyond.
I've seen enough of your coverage to know you. You
we we all agree. It's like we all say we're
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like this is this is terrible what's going on here.
And these people who are making all these excuses, I think,
are living in some. Fantasy world is true crime poisoning
the minds of a lot of women online. Is it
is it feminism plus social media? How have we reached
this point of the crazy where even people that I
(21:06):
have to say seem sound on other issues on this
issue have lost it?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I will say, have you ever seen this YouTube video?
A very famous YouTube skit. It's not the nail. Have
you ever seen this YouTube video? It's basically a woman
who has a nail directly in the middle of her forehead.
And she's talking to her husband. And she's like, she's
having this pain. right here in the middle of my forehead,
and I don't know what it is, and I think
it's the nail. She says, it's not the nail. Don't
talk to me about the nail. I just want you,
I want you to listen to me and just feel
how I feel. I think that when you combine the
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toxic nature of social media with the fact that, you know,
men and women, they're different. Women mostly want to be heard,
and they want their pain heard. I think that you
end up with a situation in which any situation where
somebody is quote-unquote suffering, that becomes a person who needs
to be heard, and the clicks are a substitute for empathy.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
It's cheap empathy. And so I think you're seeing an enormous.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Amount of performative feel my pain online and you get
clicks and likes for the more pain you're expressing. So
if you can pretend that you are just like Lindsay Clancy,
you're nothing like Lindsay Clancy because she was a psychotic
person who killed her kids. If you can do that
and then you get a bunch of likes for that,
it makes you feel better on the inside, I suppose.
But yes, social media is definitely perverting an enormous number
of brains.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Ben, you've got a law degree, too. I've been hammering
on this.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We have strict liability criminal offenses for all sorts of things.
And an easy example is if you sleep with someone
who is under the age of consent, the fact that
they had a fake ID in a bar doesn't matter.
The fact that they lied to you and said, hey,
I'm actually 20. And in reality, they were 17. You
are still guilty because we believe this is the idea.
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that children should be protected, minors should be uniquely protected
from any sort of ill intent by an adult. Shouldn't
we have strict liability offenses when it comes to children
being murdered so that we don't even have this dispute
about what was her mental capacity? Shouldn't we just have
the children were murdered, the parent did it, an authority
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figure did it, you're guilty, period? Am I crazy on this?
I don't think that that's totally crazy.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I think that that actually makes a lot more sense
than many of the proposals that are being put forward.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I think the difficulty in this.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Case, as you're pointing out, Clay, is actually a difficulty
with the law, not even necessarily with the interpretation of
the law, meaning that the law requires intent. And in Massachusetts,
bizarrely enough, the insanity defense is not a defense that
you actually have to prove. It's up to the prosecution
to prove that Lindsay Clancy was totally sane, it is
not up to the defense to prove that Lindsay Clancy
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was insane.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
And so that.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Creates an enormous possibility of reasonable doubt here. I mean,
I've said before on my show that I actually think
that the facts of this particular case are really difficult
and a little bit nuanced.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And so I could see how someone would come.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
To the conclusion that the prosecution didn't meet its burden
of proof here. That, of course, is a different thing
than people who are going online declaring that Lindsay Clancy
is some sort of bizarre feminist hero. But yeah, I mean,
your proposal that basically you kill a kid, we fry you,
I think that that's as good a proposal as any.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Can I take us into a jollier, lighter direction for
a second here, Ben?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
A lighter direction, sure.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
We've had a lot of in the pit of hell today. Clay,
I think, said the single darkest thing I've ever heard
on the show, and I'm not even going to repeat
it because we're going to go somewhere else now. And
that is, you know what, actually, do me a favor.
Do you want to body slam Clay on this one?
He is convinced... That Kamala, I don't know where you
are on this at all, by the way, so you
could go in any direction. He is convinced that Kamala
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is going to be the nominee. Like he is ride
or die. Kamala is going to be the Democrat nominee.
He has a pretty convincing electoral map rationale for this.
Do you co-sign this with him? Do you think that's
crazy like I do just because you refuse to believe it?
Where are you?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah, it is not the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I mean, Buck, I wish I agreed with you, but
I think that Clay is not wrong. I mean, she's
doubling everybody up right now. And the problem is it's
not as though there's some sort of hot new candidate
who's going to come along and sweep through South Carolina.
I think that, Clay, I would imagine the case that
you're making is that when you look at the electoral map,
a lot of the early states are heavily black in
terms of their primary vote and heavily black voting primary
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states in the Democratic Party tend to move in favor
of the black candidate or whomever is deemed the most
pro-black candidate, the way that James Clyburn did. with Joe
Biden when it came down to Biden versus Bernie Sanders.
The problem, of course, is that they've now moved South
Carolina to the top of the heap, which means whoever
wins South Carolina will have all the momentum right at
the very beginning. Kamala Harris pulls really, really well in
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South Carolina. You think John Ossoff is going to beat
Kamala Harris in South Carolina? I have trouble believing that
that's the direction that is going to move. So, again,
I don't think that Clay is that crazy on this.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh, man, I love it. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I think black women are going to stick with Kamala,
black voters in general, and they've now skewed it. So
the black voters are going to have even more impact.
And I think Kamala is the beneficiary. All right, let's
talk about this new deal. You have built a company
that has been very successful, The Daily Wire. Many people
consume a lot of your content. We've had a lot
of Daily Wire guests over the years here. And I've
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worked with you guys on a variety of your shows.
We've built a new site, Sports Focus Sport and State.
We're now partners with you. If people have not been
to The Daily Wire... What will they see there? You
can make the pitch. And certainly we want them to
experience sport and state as well. How do you see
the two coexisting and fitting together?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Yeah, we are very, very excited to be bringing sport
and state content to Daily Wire in this partnership. You're
going to be able to watch shows like this one
streaming at Daily Wire. You're also going to be able
to see written content that's going to be appearing at
dailywire.com that is also posted on sport and state.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
We want to see you guys thrive. We want to
see sport and state become even more successful.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
One of the things that we're very much focused on
in the coming years, is trying to reunify what seems
to be a pretty fragmented conservative movement.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
It's one of the reasons we're at the RNC, you
guys at the RNC.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Too, both missing football, I guess, in order to be
at the RNC at a bar that we're taking over.
But again, I think that what this is really about
is providing a broader panoply of interesting content to our
fans over at DailyWire and giving a bigger platform to
folks like you so that more people are going to
be able to see the awesome content that you're creating.
You're building a brand new business, which we're really excited
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about because you did such a great job, Clay, over
at Outkick, and now what you're doing at Sporting State,
we'd love to see that thrive and become a huge
business as well.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Clay, go ahead. No, it's going to be a lot
of fun. Okay, let's close with this, Ben.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
As you look out, whatever, I think it's 56 days-ish
from the midterms, how optimistic, how pessimistic are you? What
do you see brewing?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I wouldn't say catastrophically pessimistic.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I'd say somewhere in the mid-range of pessimism would probably
be more accurate. I think that it's unlikely the Republicans
hold the House just because the dynamics are so bad.
But I don't think that you're going to watch her
blow out to the tune of 26 seats, which is
kind of the maximum number you can see Republicans lose.
When it comes to the Senate, I do, in the end,
think that Texans will come to their senses and not
vote for Howdy Doody Doll James Tallarico. I think that
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Michigan is the one that I'm pretty frightened about, mainly
because I think Abdul El-Sayed is by far the most
radical candidate ever to run for higher office in the
United States. And I think that he has a fairly
decent shot in Michigan. But Republicans, I think, could claw
back a loss in North Carolina with a win in
New Hampshire. I think Republicans will retain the Senate, but narrowly.
I think they will probably lose the House. That's not catastrophic,
but it does set it sets up a jump ball
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for 2028. Anybody who's sort of whistling past the graveyard
thinking 2028 is going to be a cakewalk.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
It will absolutely not be a cakewalk.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think that's I think that's all correct. I think
I've said similar things here. I agree with him on
the Senate. I agree with him in the House. And
I think also 28 is going to be. Donnie Brooke,
to use a Clay Travis word. Ben, how many kids
do you have?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I now have five.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
You just had a new one, right?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, yeah, thank God. He's a little boy. He's keeping
us up all night, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I was going to say, congratulations. I'm still in the
family building process. Clay, he's had his three boys, and
they're now, I mean, just so you know where things
have gone, they're challenging him to bench press and push-up contests,
and Clay is sweating it a little bit. I'm not
going to lie. He's at that phase of the dad
zone where he's like, basically, can I still win the
arm wrestling match if I have to? When you get
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to five kids... uh what what do you know when
you have when you're on kid number five that you
would go back and tell yourself after kid number one
i'm just because you know i'm not the only one
there are others i have one son but you know
we're hoping for for more kids um what is what's
like the the time machine dad ben of five gonna
go back and tell dad ben of one you know
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what you should know get ready for this.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
It's probably an ounce of no is worth a pound
of yes I think that if you set rules with
your kids, they actually like the rules. And if you
actually hold by those rules, it's the hardest thing, right?
When you're a kid, you think your parents enjoy enforcing
rules on you. And then you become a parent and
you actually hate it quite a lot. But when you
set the rules and you hold by them, that actually
makes a huge difference. And also, I would just say
that I think the thing that we've done the best
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as parents is become interested in the things your kids
are interested in. That's kind of hard because you have
the stuff you're interested in. You hope that your kids
become interested in that sort of stuff. But, you know,
some of my kids are interested in stuff I'm wildly
uninterested in. If you can show interest in the stuff
that your kids want to do, then you'll have a
much better relationship with them. And also, all I will
say is that parenting is mostly a matter of not
ruining your kids.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
That is really what it's all about.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
It is mostly don't destroy your own children because most
of what you do as a parent is in the water.
You just act in a particular way. Your kids tend
to imitate it. You live a certain way in the world.
Kids tend to pick up on that. don't do things
that actively wreck their lives, and that's probably 95% of it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Just real quick, so you have five now. I believe
the esteemed Matt Walsh has six. You probably don't bring
this up with Mr. Shapiro right now, given that you
just had one and you're probably getting some late nights going.
But are you like, I feel like six is a
good number?
Speaker 6 (30:53):
No, I think we both are in the five is
a very, very solid number. camp at this point five
we kind of slid it under the wire so we
feel like okay you know also thank god you know
we have five healthy children that's about as much as
you can ask from god uh in a lifetime and
so you know we'll stick i mean listen i could
change what she could change her mind more importantly sometime
in the next couple of years we thought we were
done at four so and now five feels like a
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lot so we'll.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
See what we're at in a couple of years does
matt ever like wave his wave or like shake his
head at you like Five, please wait to get into six.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Unendingly, he never stops with this crap.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Yes. And and to be fair, I set myself up
for it because I've said before and my my judgment
of level of masculinity is rooted in how many genetic
offspring you have that you are raising.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
And so right now, Matt is outmanning me by one.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Good stuff, Ben. I can't wait to get rolling with
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I know we're going to have you on this program
and a lot of Daily Wire people and cross-pollination is
going to be fantastic. I'll see you tomorrow in Dallas
for a couple of events. Can't wait for that. And
excited to get rolling with this partnership.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
That'd be awesome. Congrats to you as well.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Appreciate that. That's Ben Shapiro, Daily Wire.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Do some cool stuff tomorrow in Texas, and we're going
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things like it's time for me to get a haircut. Okay. Vince,
this is Talkback C. Vince from Ohio. Play it.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
This is Vince from Northeast Ohio. I'm a licensed independent
social worker who's retired. And my suggestion regarding the Clancy
situation is that the legal outcome... should be guilty by
reason of insanity instead of innocent by reason of insanity.
That way there would be sentencing parameters that would be
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applied as well as mental health consideration.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I kind of agree with the sentiment here, Clay, I think,
if I'm picking this up correctly. The notion of not
guilty for someone like Lindsay, just to put that out there,
we know she killed her kid, she did it, she says,
everyone says she did it, she says she did it,
her lawyer says she did it. But she's not guilty
because of what her mindset was. That's the claim.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
And therefore, she's not criminally responsible for it. The part
that a lot of people have a problem with is, OK,
let's just let's say that that's true. What do you
do with this person? How could you trust a person
in society ever? who was able to murder her own
three children in a brutal and premeditated way. You're going
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to tell me she's fine? Okay, she's fine until she's not.
And she has proven that she cannot ever be trusted,
in my opinion. So to the notion about going to
a mental health facility, they could let her out of there.
Why would we ever think it would be okay to
let her out? Which is just incarceration by another name. Yes,
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and she could be out in 40 days.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And, again, I.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Understand why people feel empathy in some ways. What I
would just say is if you find yourself feeling empathy
for Lindsay Clancy, to me it's an easy pivot to, well,
her three kids, the five-year-old, the three-year-old, the eight-month-old, and
the husband. Those are the people that deserve the empathy.
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I just it's taken me to a dark place, the
degree to which so many women, including these jurors now
who have spoken out, have been willing to completely accept
that she has no responsibility from a mental process perspective.
And again, I just come back to almost a huge
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majority of murderers are not in their right mind mentally.
Is the perspective here just no one is responsible ever
for their actions if they have hormonal imbalance or if
they have some form of psychosis? I just fundamentally reject that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I really do. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't
agree with me.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
We will continue to discuss this and all the things
here on the Clay and Buck Show. Smart, fun, sane.
There you go. More coming up.
Welcome back in. Hour number three.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Clay and Buck, appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
We have had a ton of reaction pouring in as
the Lindsey Clancy jurors have all spoken.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's not going to surprise you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We've got some takes from The View that are very
supportive of Lindsey Clancy. We've got two different new polls
that have come out, both in Michigan and in Maine,
both showing the Democrat In the lead, Abdul El-Sayed up
three in the CNN poll and up three. Troy Jackson
(00:37):
is in the main poll. Take those polls for whatever
you want to in terms of the value associated with them.
President Trump, as we speak right now, is headed to
Dallas for the midterm convention. which has never occurred before,
both Wednesday and Thursday, taking place in Dallas. Tomorrow I
(01:01):
will spend the day in Dallas. I'm running around Buckle
Have You solo. I'm going to be doing some work there,
going in and out in Dallas in the same day.
We're going to get to a bunch of your talkbacks.
We're going to get to a bunch of your calls.
But I would just say this off the top. I
wish they had asked me when they should schedule the
(01:25):
midterm convention. Tonight is the NFL kickoff game. There will
be 30 million-plus Americans, including me, who will be watching
as the Seahawks, the defending.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Super Bowl champions... are.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Taking on the New England Patriots, one of the most iconic, certainly,
of the 21st century franchises in the NFL. I can't
imagine why it makes sense to have President Trump going
head-to-head with the NFL. And it's not just Wednesday, Buck.
On Thursday, the NFL will also have a big game
(02:06):
taking place from Australia against The Rams, who are the
preseason Super Bowl favorite, will be playing the 49ers.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Can I just jump in really quickly? Because I have
a very strong... Who are you taking? 3.5 point spread
with New England and the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, with Hard Rock dot bet slash clay, I am
taking the Seahawks minus 3.5. Although, Buck, based on how
my picks went for opening weekend of college football... you
could do much worse than just saying, I'll take the
exact opposite of what Clay just took.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I was going to say, I'm going on a hard
rock to place my bet on the stout New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Plus three and a half, which means you get over
a field goal. Buck, who made this decision? They could
have waited until next week, and they could have said, hey,
we're going to do the midterm convention on Tuesday and
Wednesday of next week. There's no NFL competition. There's no
overlap at all. If you're trying to cut through the noise,
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and if you are trying to in some way talk
to young men, they're all going to be watching the NFL.
I don't understand why you would decide you can look
at the calendar. I would love for someone to tell
me why they decided to go head to head with
the NFL on both nights. Trump is going to get
(03:28):
crushed by NFL viewership. And even if you say, well,
the important thing is to just kind of cut through,
you're not going to cut through the noise. Whatever happens
in those games is going to be the primary conversation
that most young men, most men, period, are going to
be talking about. Why did they do this? They could
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have gone next week, Tuesday, Wednesday. There's no football overlap.
By the way, in Texas, probably the most football-crazed market
on the planet, Do you have any idea?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think we've got to talk back on this because
he was thinking like me. Talk back, A.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Hey, guys.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Tom from Louisville. Tonight and tomorrow night, we have yet
another example of how pathetic and stupid all of us are.
opening games of the NFL season. How brilliant they are.
They just continue to shoot themselves in the foot and
ruin everything that Trump is trying to do. Thank you,
(04:27):
our Republican Party.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Pathetic.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, I think that everybody deserves this because if Trump
had said, I want to do this on the moon,
they would have put him on an airplane and sent
him to space to try to do it, right? So
the Trump team agreed to this timing.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Now, maybe.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There's something to do with American Airlines Arena was already
scheduled on other days, and they ended up with only
having these options. I'm sure there were some scheduling logistical
decisions that were made. But I just got to tell you,
it does not make sense to me the way that
this is structured at all.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, does it make sense to you? Do you
get it?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
No. I don't have some.
Answer to why they would want to ignore. I mean,
I did not know about this football game until you
mentioned it. So that tells you where I am on
these things. But I know enough to know I wouldn't
want to put like the clay and buck extravaganza up
against the first football game of the season. So that's
(05:28):
I don't get it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mean, I do a sports YouTube show. I never
go head to head with actual games. Because the actual
games are the things that everybody is watching. You don't
go head-to-head with actual games. So if somebody has an
idea of how this was able to happen, I'm surprised
it hasn't been a bigger discussion point. It's evident for
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some time what day the NFL was going to kick off,
but nobody competes with the NFL. Everybody just gets out
of the NFL's way because it's the ultimate steamroller for
of all other content. And so I get it that
the people who are diehard political aficionados may well be
paying attention and watching multiple hours of this. But your
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goal is not to get diehard political aficionados. It's particularly
in states like Texas to make sure that people realize
how radical James Tallarico is. And my concern is that
a lot of those men that could be reached and
a lot of women, too, are going to be doing
what I'm doing. And that is putting the football game
on and watching it and paying way more attention to
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it than anything that happens tonight or tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, also, I think that particularly you don't have this
isn't a presidential election year and you don't have Trump
on the ballot. And this is going to be about
those key individuals, state and and. And congressional race statewide
for Senate and congressional races that are happening in the
places that we're all watching, meaning the focus should be
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on that. I don't really I don't understand the point
of a I mean, I understand the point as in
what they think it's doing. I think there's a reason
this hasn't been done before. And I think they may
be reminded of that in the aftermath of doing this
is my sense. But I could be wrong. It's rare,
but I could be wrong on this one. And we'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Um, we will see indeed. Uh, all right. Alex has
been waiting for a while.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Uh, by the way, you guys can weigh in if
you think that I'm wrong on this, but 800-282-2882.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Alex in Arizona, what you got for us?
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Hi there, Clayton Buck. Uh, first of all, I'm a
long time listener, listening to Rush for many years prior
to that and very conservative person. So I come out
from that standpoint, but I also come at it from
having a wife who was very normal, very, healthy, no
mental illness prior to having kids. And after our kids
were born, she suffered from many things, including five years
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of literal hell, of delusions and psychosis and lots of
doctor visits and lots of all kinds of things happening
that I don't need to go into.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So you wouldn't, based on your experience, if you had
been on the jury, you would have found Lindsay Clancy
not guilty?
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Well, I'm just going to say this. Number one, I'm
not a lawyer, but I do think, in my opinion,
she is guilty, and she needs to be in a
mental institution. I don't know if they're not guilty. I
don't know enough about the not guilty.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Let me explain.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Let me explain if she is found not guilty by
reason of insanity then she goes into a mental health
hospital and whenever they deem her sane she can leave
free and clear so if and that could happen as
quickly as 40 days now when exactly medical professionals would
(09:05):
say hey She is no longer insane. We have been
able to treat her and she is now sane and
able to exit this mental hospital. She would then go
back out into the quote unquote real world and would
be totally free. So she could be in the mental
hospital for as few as 40 days and then go
back out.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
And I disagree with that as well. So I don't know.
I don't know the right answer legally. Although one thing
I do want to talk about is if she didn't
kill her kids and nobody has expressed this, what was her,
for reason of insanity, what was her motivation for killing
her kids? Was she wanting a better life? Was she
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tired of being a mom? None of that's been expressed.
So I think you have to answer the question, without insanity,
What why did she kill her kids?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
To me, this is entirely the wrong debate. And that's
why I have said and I hope some states are
going to do this. State legislatures need to look at
why we allow insanity defenses when children are murdered. To me,
that's the real question here, because we know she killed them.
(10:22):
There is no dispute on that. There there shouldn't be
a defense of, oh, I wasn't like you did it.
Those kids are gone forever. Should there be consequences when
children are murdered for any reason whatsoever? My answer is yes.
And I don't particularly care. And I think for sure
(10:44):
most men are with me on this. What the motivations are.
But it's a good question, Buck. I mean, from a
philosophical level or just a larger societal discussion perspective, what
percentage of murderers are mentally ill in some way? I
would submit vast majority are mentally ill. Well, certainly in
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people who kill their own family members.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean, look, most murders in this country involve, as
I understand it, I mean, I'm going a little bit
on the fly here with the statistics, but usually it involves, uh,
drugs and crime, basically meaning that, you know, people are
shooting each other over drug turf. And there's a huge number.
If you're looking for one category of what are most
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of the homicides, for example, in Chicago, it's gang members
shooting each other. That's that's, that's the, or, or shooting
somebody in the course of a crime, but it's criminal
homicide versus a, uh, family, you know, murdering a family member.
out of some situation like this. Fortunately, that's rare. But
I still sit here and I go back to what
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I mentioned with psychiatrists for a long time now, struggling
with the existence of evil in psychiatry as a field
because that feels very almost religious as an answer, but
that is what they are left with with some of
the patients they deal with. It is not about some
extreme abuse they suffered as a child. It is not
about hearing voices or paranoid delusions or whatever. People just
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can choose evil, too. That is a thing. And now
there's a whole question as to why would anyone do that?
And that even feels like you're getting more religious in
your leaning. Why do good and evil exist? And you
get a bit existential here. But this is a real thing.
It has existed for not just evil and good and evil,
but I mean that people in the field of forensic
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psychiatry will say this is just who some people are.
They want to do this. And you're not left with
a better answer than that, that they have chosen evil.
So I think that is something that the caller, by
the way, I think asked very valid, very good questions.
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us the bottom of the hour. Does anybody out there
that is also an NFL fan find this as crazy
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as I do that this is the great big game
changing plan of the Republican Party is we're going to
have a midterm convention and we're going to go head
to head against the NFL. And that is going to
be the event that changes the trajectory of the election.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I feel like the convention existed and exists to serve
a purpose. And so then you build out more of
the event around the purpose of, for example, picking the
nominee for your party.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
This is why we've had conventions. a midterm convention, what
are we doing?
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's, you know, you know, Clay, it's a, you know,
you could tell me, you say, Hey, you know, my
birthday is coming up. Let's throw a huge party. And
it's like, great. And whatever we decided to do beyond that,
you know, we'd probably go with like an sec football theme.
So there'd be, you know, it'd be like football players
and sorority girls, whatever we go with, whatever we go with,
we have a reason for the party. If you just said,
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let's just throw a party. I'd be like, okay, but why?
They're in the latter category. Like, what's the point of
this exact? I understand they're going to say, oh, it's
to talk about the midterms and stuff. But yeah, but
you can do that without this.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm not sure that I don't even disagree with the
concept of the midterm. I just think you could have
done it on Tuesday and Wednesday of next week when
there's nothing going on. You're getting in before October when
there's events that occur every day. Instead, you went directly
head to head with the NFL. I could have the
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I bet Netflix is not debuting any shows on Wednesday
or Thursday that are designed to appeal to men. You
might counter-program. and say, hey, we're going to start the
new Housewives franchise. Maybe the new version of The Bachelor
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or The Bachelorette could drop and go head-to-head with the
NFL because women might feel like their husbands, their boyfriends
are more likely to watch. And by the way, tons
of women watch the NFL now, too. It feels like
a completely unforced error. And 30 million people are going
to watch the NFL and there's going to be headlines,
you know, 4 million people watch Trump speak and 30
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million watch the NFL. I just I don't understand who
made this decision. And if they had just asked me,
I would have said, whatever you do, don't go head
to head with the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And they didn't ask me. And so we're going head
to head with the NFL.
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with The Daily Wire. And Ben is with us now. Ben,
I did your show a little bit earlier. We're going
to get into a bunch, but I want to start
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with just this. I can't get over the fact that,
first of all, there's going to be the first ever
midterm convention. and that the Republican thought leader said, let's
do it on Wednesday and Thursday, head-to-head, direct with NFL
kickoff games that are going to draw 30 million or
more people. Did anybody raise their hand and raise this
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as an issue? If not, why not? Does this stand
out to you?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean, it isn't a great set of facts.
I mean, I will say the decision-making process there seems
like it was somewhat flawed, but the truth is that
the Trump administration itself then the Trump campaign, it always
is a little bit seat of the pants. Remember the RNC,
they were, they're really deciding the details of who was
supposed to even speak at the RNC in 2024, about
24 hours before. So it's not a gigantic shock. They're
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kind of throwing it together on the fly. And to
be fair to the people who are doing this, I
think that they're significantly less interested in tens of millions
of people watching it live and much more interested in
sort of the clips that are going to circulate from
the thing. Because let's be real, it's a list of
politicians who are going to be speaking in order. And
I doubt people are going to be glued to their
TV sets for the entirety of that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Ben, great to have you. I want to ask you,
as a very astute, high IQ individual, I don't want
to dive into the basics of the Lindsay Clancy thing
with you because You've covered on your show. We've been
covered on our show. I want to maybe advance beyond.
I've seen enough of your coverage to know you. You
we we all agree. It's like we all say we're
(20:42):
like this is this is terrible what's going on here.
And these people who are making all these excuses, I think,
are living in some. Fantasy world is true crime poisoning
the minds of a lot of women online. Is it
is it feminism plus social media? How have we reached
this point of the crazy where even people that I
(21:06):
have to say seem sound on other issues on this
issue have lost it?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I will say, have you ever seen this YouTube video?
A very famous YouTube skit. It's not the nail. Have
you ever seen this YouTube video? It's basically a woman
who has a nail directly in the middle of her forehead.
And she's talking to her husband. And she's like, she's
having this pain. right here in the middle of my forehead,
and I don't know what it is, and I think
it's the nail. She says, it's not the nail. Don't
talk to me about the nail. I just want you,
I want you to listen to me and just feel
how I feel. I think that when you combine the
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toxic nature of social media with the fact that, you know,
men and women, they're different. Women mostly want to be heard,
and they want their pain heard. I think that you
end up with a situation in which any situation where
somebody is quote-unquote suffering, that becomes a person who needs
to be heard, and the clicks are a substitute for empathy.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
It's cheap empathy. And so I think you're seeing an enormous.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Amount of performative feel my pain online and you get
clicks and likes for the more pain you're expressing. So
if you can pretend that you are just like Lindsay Clancy,
you're nothing like Lindsay Clancy because she was a psychotic
person who killed her kids. If you can do that
and then you get a bunch of likes for that,
it makes you feel better on the inside, I suppose.
But yes, social media is definitely perverting an enormous number
of brains.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Ben, you've got a law degree, too. I've been hammering
on this.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We have strict liability criminal offenses for all sorts of things.
And an easy example is if you sleep with someone
who is under the age of consent, the fact that
they had a fake ID in a bar doesn't matter.
The fact that they lied to you and said, hey,
I'm actually 20. And in reality, they were 17. You
are still guilty because we believe this is the idea.
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that children should be protected, minors should be uniquely protected
from any sort of ill intent by an adult. Shouldn't
we have strict liability offenses when it comes to children
being murdered so that we don't even have this dispute
about what was her mental capacity? Shouldn't we just have
the children were murdered, the parent did it, an authority
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figure did it, you're guilty, period? Am I crazy on this?
I don't think that that's totally crazy.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I think that that actually makes a lot more sense
than many of the proposals that are being put forward.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I think the difficulty in this.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Case, as you're pointing out, Clay, is actually a difficulty
with the law, not even necessarily with the interpretation of
the law, meaning that the law requires intent. And in Massachusetts,
bizarrely enough, the insanity defense is not a defense that
you actually have to prove. It's up to the prosecution
to prove that Lindsay Clancy was totally sane, it is
not up to the defense to prove that Lindsay Clancy
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was insane.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
And so that.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Creates an enormous possibility of reasonable doubt here. I mean,
I've said before on my show that I actually think
that the facts of this particular case are really difficult
and a little bit nuanced.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And so I could see how someone would come.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
To the conclusion that the prosecution didn't meet its burden
of proof here. That, of course, is a different thing
than people who are going online declaring that Lindsay Clancy
is some sort of bizarre feminist hero. But yeah, I mean,
your proposal that basically you kill a kid, we fry you,
I think that that's as good a proposal as any.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Can I take us into a jollier, lighter direction for
a second here, Ben?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
A lighter direction, sure.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
We've had a lot of in the pit of hell today. Clay,
I think, said the single darkest thing I've ever heard
on the show, and I'm not even going to repeat
it because we're going to go somewhere else now. And
that is, you know what, actually, do me a favor.
Do you want to body slam Clay on this one?
He is convinced... That Kamala, I don't know where you
are on this at all, by the way, so you
could go in any direction. He is convinced that Kamala
(24:33):
is going to be the nominee. Like he is ride
or die. Kamala is going to be the Democrat nominee.
He has a pretty convincing electoral map rationale for this.
Do you co-sign this with him? Do you think that's
crazy like I do just because you refuse to believe it?
Where are you?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah, it is not the craziest thing I've ever heard.
I mean, Buck, I wish I agreed with you, but
I think that Clay is not wrong. I mean, she's
doubling everybody up right now. And the problem is it's
not as though there's some sort of hot new candidate
who's going to come along and sweep through South Carolina.
I think that, Clay, I would imagine the case that
you're making is that when you look at the electoral map,
a lot of the early states are heavily black in
terms of their primary vote and heavily black voting primary
(25:13):
states in the Democratic Party tend to move in favor
of the black candidate or whomever is deemed the most
pro-black candidate, the way that James Clyburn did. with Joe
Biden when it came down to Biden versus Bernie Sanders.
The problem, of course, is that they've now moved South
Carolina to the top of the heap, which means whoever
wins South Carolina will have all the momentum right at
the very beginning. Kamala Harris pulls really, really well in
(25:33):
South Carolina. You think John Ossoff is going to beat
Kamala Harris in South Carolina? I have trouble believing that
that's the direction that is going to move. So, again,
I don't think that Clay is that crazy on this.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh, man, I love it. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I think black women are going to stick with Kamala,
black voters in general, and they've now skewed it. So
the black voters are going to have even more impact.
And I think Kamala is the beneficiary. All right, let's
talk about this new deal. You have built a company
that has been very successful, The Daily Wire. Many people
consume a lot of your content. We've had a lot
of Daily Wire guests over the years here. And I've
(26:07):
worked with you guys on a variety of your shows.
We've built a new site, Sports Focus Sport and State.
We're now partners with you. If people have not been
to The Daily Wire... What will they see there? You
can make the pitch. And certainly we want them to
experience sport and state as well. How do you see
the two coexisting and fitting together?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Yeah, we are very, very excited to be bringing sport
and state content to Daily Wire in this partnership. You're
going to be able to watch shows like this one
streaming at Daily Wire. You're also going to be able
to see written content that's going to be appearing at
dailywire.com that is also posted on sport and state.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
We want to see you guys thrive. We want to
see sport and state become even more successful.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
One of the things that we're very much focused on
in the coming years, is trying to reunify what seems
to be a pretty fragmented conservative movement.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
It's one of the reasons we're at the RNC, you
guys at the RNC.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Too, both missing football, I guess, in order to be
at the RNC at a bar that we're taking over.
But again, I think that what this is really about
is providing a broader panoply of interesting content to our
fans over at DailyWire and giving a bigger platform to
folks like you so that more people are going to
be able to see the awesome content that you're creating.
You're building a brand new business, which we're really excited
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about because you did such a great job, Clay, over
at Outkick, and now what you're doing at Sporting State,
we'd love to see that thrive and become a huge
business as well.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Clay, go ahead. No, it's going to be a lot
of fun. Okay, let's close with this, Ben.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
As you look out, whatever, I think it's 56 days-ish
from the midterms, how optimistic, how pessimistic are you? What
do you see brewing?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I wouldn't say catastrophically pessimistic.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I'd say somewhere in the mid-range of pessimism would probably
be more accurate. I think that it's unlikely the Republicans
hold the House just because the dynamics are so bad.
But I don't think that you're going to watch her
blow out to the tune of 26 seats, which is
kind of the maximum number you can see Republicans lose.
When it comes to the Senate, I do, in the end,
think that Texans will come to their senses and not
vote for Howdy Doody Doll James Tallarico. I think that
(28:03):
Michigan is the one that I'm pretty frightened about, mainly
because I think Abdul El-Sayed is by far the most
radical candidate ever to run for higher office in the
United States. And I think that he has a fairly
decent shot in Michigan. But Republicans, I think, could claw
back a loss in North Carolina with a win in
New Hampshire. I think Republicans will retain the Senate, but narrowly.
I think they will probably lose the House. That's not catastrophic,
but it does set it sets up a jump ball
(28:24):
for 2028. Anybody who's sort of whistling past the graveyard
thinking 2028 is going to be a cakewalk.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
It will absolutely not be a cakewalk.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think that's I think that's all correct. I think
I've said similar things here. I agree with him on
the Senate. I agree with him in the House. And
I think also 28 is going to be. Donnie Brooke,
to use a Clay Travis word. Ben, how many kids
do you have?
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I now have five.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
You just had a new one, right?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, yeah, thank God. He's a little boy. He's keeping
us up all night, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I was going to say, congratulations. I'm still in the
family building process. Clay, he's had his three boys, and
they're now, I mean, just so you know where things
have gone, they're challenging him to bench press and push-up contests,
and Clay is sweating it a little bit. I'm not
going to lie. He's at that phase of the dad
zone where he's like, basically, can I still win the
arm wrestling match if I have to? When you get
(29:12):
to five kids... uh what what do you know when
you have when you're on kid number five that you
would go back and tell yourself after kid number one
i'm just because you know i'm not the only one
there are others i have one son but you know
we're hoping for for more kids um what is what's
like the the time machine dad ben of five gonna
go back and tell dad ben of one you know
(29:33):
what you should know get ready for this.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
It's probably an ounce of no is worth a pound
of yes I think that if you set rules with
your kids, they actually like the rules. And if you
actually hold by those rules, it's the hardest thing, right?
When you're a kid, you think your parents enjoy enforcing
rules on you. And then you become a parent and
you actually hate it quite a lot. But when you
set the rules and you hold by them, that actually
makes a huge difference. And also, I would just say
that I think the thing that we've done the best
(29:56):
as parents is become interested in the things your kids
are interested in. That's kind of hard because you have
the stuff you're interested in. You hope that your kids
become interested in that sort of stuff. But, you know,
some of my kids are interested in stuff I'm wildly
uninterested in. If you can show interest in the stuff
that your kids want to do, then you'll have a
much better relationship with them. And also, all I will
say is that parenting is mostly a matter of not
ruining your kids.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
That is really what it's all about.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
It is mostly don't destroy your own children because most
of what you do as a parent is in the water.
You just act in a particular way. Your kids tend
to imitate it. You live a certain way in the world.
Kids tend to pick up on that. don't do things
that actively wreck their lives, and that's probably 95% of it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Just real quick, so you have five now. I believe
the esteemed Matt Walsh has six. You probably don't bring
this up with Mr. Shapiro right now, given that you
just had one and you're probably getting some late nights going.
But are you like, I feel like six is a
good number?
Speaker 6 (30:53):
No, I think we both are in the five is
a very, very solid number. camp at this point five
we kind of slid it under the wire so we
feel like okay you know also thank god you know
we have five healthy children that's about as much as
you can ask from god uh in a lifetime and
so you know we'll stick i mean listen i could
change what she could change her mind more importantly sometime
in the next couple of years we thought we were
done at four so and now five feels like a
(31:15):
lot so we'll.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
See what we're at in a couple of years does
matt ever like wave his wave or like shake his
head at you like Five, please wait to get into six.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Unendingly, he never stops with this crap.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Yes. And and to be fair, I set myself up
for it because I've said before and my my judgment
of level of masculinity is rooted in how many genetic
offspring you have that you are raising.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
And so right now, Matt is outmanning me by one.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Good stuff, Ben. I can't wait to get rolling with
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I know we're going to have you on this program
and a lot of Daily Wire people and cross-pollination is
going to be fantastic. I'll see you tomorrow in Dallas
for a couple of events. Can't wait for that. And
excited to get rolling with this partnership.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
That'd be awesome. Congrats to you as well.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Appreciate that. That's Ben Shapiro, Daily Wire.
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this is Talkback C. Vince from Ohio. Play it.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
This is Vince from Northeast Ohio. I'm a licensed independent
social worker who's retired. And my suggestion regarding the Clancy
situation is that the legal outcome... should be guilty by
reason of insanity instead of innocent by reason of insanity.
That way there would be sentencing parameters that would be
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applied as well as mental health consideration.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I kind of agree with the sentiment here, Clay, I think,
if I'm picking this up correctly. The notion of not
guilty for someone like Lindsay, just to put that out there,
we know she killed her kid, she did it, she says,
everyone says she did it, she says she did it,
her lawyer says she did it. But she's not guilty
because of what her mindset was. That's the claim.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
And therefore, she's not criminally responsible for it. The part
that a lot of people have a problem with is, OK,
let's just let's say that that's true. What do you
do with this person? How could you trust a person
in society ever? who was able to murder her own
three children in a brutal and premeditated way. You're going
(35:01):
to tell me she's fine? Okay, she's fine until she's not.
And she has proven that she cannot ever be trusted,
in my opinion. So to the notion about going to
a mental health facility, they could let her out of there.
Why would we ever think it would be okay to
let her out? Which is just incarceration by another name. Yes,
(35:21):
and she could be out in 40 days.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And, again, I.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Understand why people feel empathy in some ways. What I
would just say is if you find yourself feeling empathy
for Lindsay Clancy, to me it's an easy pivot to, well,
her three kids, the five-year-old, the three-year-old, the eight-month-old, and
the husband. Those are the people that deserve the empathy.
(35:53):
I just it's taken me to a dark place, the
degree to which so many women, including these jurors now
who have spoken out, have been willing to completely accept
that she has no responsibility from a mental process perspective.
And again, I just come back to almost a huge
(36:13):
majority of murderers are not in their right mind mentally.
Is the perspective here just no one is responsible ever
for their actions if they have hormonal imbalance or if
they have some form of psychosis? I just fundamentally reject that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I really do. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't
agree with me.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
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