October 3, 2026 • 36 mins
In Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck analyze the latest developments involving Iran, the Strait of Hormuz, Middle East oil exports, gas prices, inflation, the U.S. economy, and the Trump administration’s pressure campaign against Tehran. They discuss reports that Middle Eastern crude exports have rebounded toward prewar levels as Iran’s ability to restrict shipping through the Strait of Hormuz has weakened. Reacting to comments from Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the hosts argue that the blockade of Iranian oil exports is increasingly putting economic pressure on Iran while allowing more oil from other Middle Eastern producers to reach world markets.
Buck notes that Iranian oil exports have fallen dramatically and discusses China’s role as a major buyer of Iranian crude, while Clay considers whether improving energy supplies could ultimately bring down oil, gasoline, and diesel prices. They also examine the political consequences heading into the 2026 midterm elections, arguing that even if President Donald Trump’s Iran strategy ultimately succeeds, Republicans could still pay an electoral price because higher energy costs hit American consumers long before improvements filter through the economy. The conversation expands to the Russia-Ukraine war, diesel prices, economic growth, the Atlanta Fed’s growth estimate, and the possibility that stronger economic conditions and lower energy prices could benefit Republicans later in Trump’s term and potentially shape the 2028 Republican presidential race, with JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Ron DeSantis mentioned as possible future contenders.
Hour 2 then shifts to the rapid development of artificial intelligence and AI personal assistants, as Clay describes using a new AI app called Muse to locate and arrange a last-minute haircut appointment near Vanderbilt University. He argues that increasingly capable consumer AI could transform everyday life by handling routine tasks such as finding appointments, researching travel, locating airfare, and potentially making bookings. Clay and Buck focus on AI productivity, automation, small-business opportunities, and time savings, with Buck arguing that the greatest benefit could be giving people greater control over their time by eliminating tedious errands, research, and administrative work. They compare the potential impact with conveniences such as Amazon delivery and look ahead to the combination of artificial intelligence and robotics, portraying technological efficiency as a potentially major driver of improved quality of life.
The program next turns to the Lindsay Clancy case and developments surrounding whether she will face another trial following a mistrial. Clay and Buck discuss what they characterize as a striking shift in the defense strategy, saying that after a first trial centered on Clancy’s mental state and criminal responsibility, her attorney was now raising the possibility that she did not kill her children. They revisit the controversial 11-1 jury split, the holdout juror, and previous efforts to challenge that juror, with Clay questioning the unusual procedural and strategic posture of the case.
Jack Posobiec, TPUSA contributor, host of "Human Events Daily", and author of the new book "Unhumans: Socialist Revolution – Tactics for Patriots to Survive a Communist Uprising" joins Clay and Buck for an extended interview that begins with the Lindsay Clancy proceedings and broadens into a discussion of true-crime media, online conspiracy theories, political ideology, and violent political extremism. Posobiec presents his own critique of the online true-crime community and discusses themes from his book Unhumans, arguing that ideological narratives can influence how high-profile criminal cases are interpreted online. The conversation then turns to the prosecution of Tyler Robinson in connection with the killing of Charlie Kirk. Posobiec, who describes his personal friendship and working relationship with Kirk and his attendance at pretrial proceedings, pushes back against online conspiracy theories surrounding the case and argues that discrepancies commonly found in eyewitness accounts should not automatically be treated as evidence of a cover-up. He discusses evidence he says was presented during court proceedings and compares the case with the prosecution of Bryan Kohberger. Clay, Buck, and Posobiec then discuss their view of left-wing political violence, attacks targeting conservatives, the assassination attempts against President Trump, the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting, attacks on ICE, the killing of a UnitedHealthcare executive, and their concerns about political radicalization and future violence. Posobiec also criticizes the federal response following Kirk’s death and argues that inadequate attention to political ideology helped create an opening for alternative conspiracy narrat
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number two, Clay and Buck. We
appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Bunch of
stories to get into. There is a Lindsay Clancy hearing
that took place today. We will maybe discuss that as
they're trying to decide. whether or not there will be
a new trial brought in that case. The hero juror
(00:22):
who refused to vote not guilty has also spoken. We've
got some audio from him that I will play for
all of you. But oil and gas prices. Let's talk
about them for a moment. We talked about this a
little bit last week. And I want to dive into
this right now. As I am speaking to all of you,
(00:46):
the price of oil and gas right around $ 90 a barrel.
It was $ 68 a barrel back in February when the
fracas with Iran began. Front page of the Wall Street
Journal this morning. Buck, I'm getting ready for the show.
And the headline is Middle East oil exports rebound as
(01:08):
Iran's chokehold on Hormuz breaks down. And here are a
couple of data points that I thought were significant. Middle
Eastern crude exports rebounded this month to around their highest
level since the war began in February. Oil data trackers
show shipments via Hormuz and bypass routes were delivering just
(01:31):
under 80 percent of the pre-war regional flow as of
last week. So far this month, crude exports from major
Middle Eastern producers have also risen to almost 13 million
barrels a day. That is the highest total since February
when the region exported nearly 19 million barrels. And so
(01:53):
further discussion about this and that basically and we kind
of witnessed this yesterday as the secretary of state was
talking with President Trump about the ongoing Iran negotiations. The
in fact, let's play Marco Rubio, who said this publicly.
Rubio said the oil flow in the Strait of Hormuz
(02:15):
is up significantly. I want to make sure that I
get the number right here, so let me grab it.
This is cut 18. Marco Rubio saying what the Wall
Street Journal wrote this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Listen to him.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
If Iran had a nuclear weapon, they could do whatever
they want with the Straits. Think about what we're doing
right now. The Straits are opened. There is almost as
much oil flowing through the Straits now as before this conflict,
with the exception of Iranian oil, which is not getting out.
If Iran had a nuclear weapon with which it could
threaten its neighbors and the world... No one would be
able to do anything about the Straits. They would be
able to control the Straits, charge a toll and decide
(02:52):
who got energy and who did not get energy on
this planet. That's what they would do if they had
a nuclear weapon and worse.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
OK, but the blockade is working. Iran, the inflation rate
is skyrocketing in that country. There are reports that Iran
wants to do a deal. This is like rinse repeat
that we've been hearing recently. since February. But I will
say the evidence that is out there now, Buck, suggests
(03:18):
that Iran does not have much of a negotiating leverage
at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The oil is flowing.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, they can still occasionally threaten a tanker, maybe even
strike a tanker. But much of their ability to do so,
the mines have been removed. Where do we go? And again,
the challenge on this is, as we talked about on
the program, The price of oil and gas is elevated.
It takes months to come down. It takes like two
(03:45):
days to go up. This is the reality of the marketplace.
So you may not feel it between now and the midterms,
but much of the situation in Iran has calmed itself
down in terms of oil and gas exports.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, what we're seeing, I think, Clay, may be something
like this in shorthand. The Trump plan for how this
would go is correct, it's just on a different timeline
than would have been optimal for the election cycle we
are in. And that, I think, was a concern that
we expressed from the very beginning, which is that, okay,
(04:21):
if there's this back and forth, if they're going to
rely on the pressure, the economic pressure campaign against Iran,
they also, plus military, But they also have the capability
to create disruptions of supply, which will then result in
higher gas prices. And that's what has occurred. And people
are very annoyed. The electorate, at some level, I don't
(04:44):
know how many people, but there are people, and this
shows up in all of the polling and data, who
are feeling strained. We take calls from them, so we
certainly hear from them here on the show. Strained and
annoyed by not just the price of gas, the price
of diesel is a really big thing as well. Now,
Trump has said the price of diesel is more tied
to the Russia-Ukraine war, which I might add just keeps
(05:06):
grinding on and on and on with hundreds and hundreds
of thousands of more casualties. No one seems to have
any real plan or even prayer to end this thing
in the immediate future. On the Iranian front, though, so
they were sending out about 1.7 million barrels a day
last September. That's what they were exporting from Iran today.
And now it's at about 200,000, 200, 250,000 dollars, sorry, 200,
(05:31):
250,000 barrels a day. And that China is the last
major buyer. Secretary Besant has said that's that that ability
to sell to China is also coming to an end. Essentially,
they're not going to have any any bread on the shelves,
so to speak, to sell to China because of. the
problems they have, the embargo that we're– or the blockade, rather,
(05:52):
that we're running. So that is going to mean that
their GDP is going to get hammered even more. So
this has been– and as you pointed out, Clay, the
strait seems to be open considerably now, I mean, in
a really meaningful way. So if this holds, what you
have is the strategy the Trump administration put in place
(06:13):
working as it is intended to. It just has taken–
some months longer than certainly the electorate wants to hear.
And you might have this situation where we win the
war against Iran, and yet we are punished for the
war against Iran as a party because it took longer
(06:34):
and had more financial pain than anticipated. I think that's
very possible.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I don't think that's potentially wrong at all. Now,
here is something to think about. We have seen how
often midterms go poorly for the party in power. Then
the midterm ends and some of the decisions made by
the party in power start to look better in the
(06:59):
third year and the fourth year. The reason why I
bring this up, I think if I'm J.D. Vance, What
you want to have happen if you're J.D. Vance, let's
presume that J.D. is the guy, could be Marco Rubio,
could be Ted Cruz, could be Ron DeSantis, could be
any number of guys, right, on the Republican side. What
you want to see happen is the economic conditions of
(07:22):
the party in power start to peak in year four.
As we saw, Buck, before COVID with President Trump in
the first term, 18, he got kneecapped. 20, January, February 2020,
greatest economy we've ever seen. Everybody was in love with
what the Trump economy looked like. I think what we
are headed toward, and I understand people.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Say, oh, you don't know what it feels like. Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think we are about six months away from really
good feeling. starting to percolate through the American public. I
think you are going to see oil and gas prices
come back down substantially. The Atlanta Fed, Buck, didn't get
very much attention. The Atlanta Fed said the economy is
(08:08):
growing at 5% right now.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
If we could have.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
3% growth, it would feel electric. 4% or 5% growth
would be truly transcendent.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
For our economy.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And so I look at it and I start thinking, hey,
this could be actually really interesting. And have you used–
I want to be positive here for a minute. I
don't know if you've used this. Have you seen Muse, M-U-S-E,
the new AI that Facebook has created? It's like the
number one app in America right now.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm not– I don't know that my hair looks great.
We were making fun of how bad it looked yesterday. But, Buck,
I downloaded Muse. And I was dropping my oldest son
off at college, and my other son had a football practice,
so I had time to kill. And I just said
to Muse, find me a haircut place that is open
(09:06):
on Sunday that you can get me an appointment at
5 p.m. anywhere in the close vicinity of Vanderbilt University.
Three minutes later, Muse, this personal assistant, had completely already
given me an appointment, and I went in and I
(09:28):
got my hair done. And my son, who is 18
years old, has been using Muse. I've got the sport
and state staff using it. I got to tell you,
it is mind-blowing how helpful this thing is. Again, it's
the number one app in America right now. Millions of
you have downloaded it. I don't know how many of
(09:50):
you out there right now listening to us have tried
it out. My point is it is going to start.
I am super optimistic about. about where AI is headed
right now because I think it's going to start to
make us so much more efficient. But I went in
and said, hey, what are the best airfares that you
can find me? And can you just go ahead and book?
(10:13):
Here's my information. It can handle, it's a personal assistant
that can handle almost everything in your life. Think about
how much time you spend doing just menial tasks. I'm
blown away by how good it is. This is a
personal assistant that's just for you. This is not some
larger corporate AI. This is just, hey, let me make
(10:33):
your life easier by taking away some of the mind-numbing
or frustrating or time-consuming tasks that otherwise you might be
obligated to do. Look, I'm not saying I got a
great haircut, but I got a haircut appointment, and.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
The girl was blown away. I would say you got
a memorable haircut. That's correct. So there's that. You know,
I would say it's something that people will perhaps keep
in mind going forward. I would also say, Clay.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
We got the photos from the White House.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, we got some. But I was going to say
I was going to save that as a tease. But now,
you know, we just got some great photos looking down
at my phone. But I was going to say the
haircut appointment. The girl there, she got a haircut appointment
that she never would have received. She's not spending any
money with AI. She would have otherwise been there and
not had the ability to make money.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
This is just a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Small business that gets a haircut appointment. and suddenly she's
making $ 45, $ 50, I don't know, whatever my haircut ended
up costing with her tip, that she would have never made.
When I came in, she said, how did you find me?
You weren't even showing up on my list. I thought
I was not going to have a 5 p.m. It's
really kind of awesome for her. It worked well for me.
(11:47):
I just think it's going to be super cool to
see some of these applications play out.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
This is something that I've been thinking about lately. The
value of your time.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And I've talked about this in the context of Amazon.
about how think of not just, oh, it's a great price.
It gets delivered to my door. It used to be,
I need a special screw to put in so I
can replace my door and I got to go to
some hard. Oh, the hardware store doesn't have it. Now
I'm going to drive to another, you know, now maybe
(12:19):
some of you like that. Like my wife loves going
to Costco and I know that some of you say
it's a big lib store, but whatever. She loves Costco.
I actually went for the first time recently. I'll tell you, Clay,
it was quite an experience, but we'll talk about that
another time. She actually enjoys that. She likes she just
likes it. And that's fine. My point about getting your
time back, though, what I will do is what are
the things that you don't want to spend time doing?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Whether it's responding to stupid emails or it's doing, you know,
researching things to find the thing that you need or
I can't even begin to come up with all the
different ways you can use this. It can give you
back time, which you can then put toward the hobby
you love, reading the book you want, being with your family,
spending time with your kids, spending time with your grandkids.
(13:04):
Control over your time is its own currency, and AI
is going to dramatically increase, I believe, your ability to
control your time in a lot of day-to-day senses. And
when you add robotics to it, by the way, which
is a whole other thing, Now you're really talking about
more control over your time.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Most valuable commodity and one that even the wealthiest man
and woman cannot purchase.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Time.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Really, when you start to think about it, almost everything
else can be purchased. And so I'm just telling you,
if you start to play around with these, I'm not
saying you need to put your whole life behind it, but...
I'm blown away by how quick, and again, this is free.
It's not like I paid it. I just downloaded the app.
I'm curious, 800-282-2882, if any of you have used this,
I'd be curious to hear your stories. But for that
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Speaker 4 (15:02):
Welcome back into clay and buck and interesting stuff going
on in the world right now um We were just
told we were live, which is we know. So I
don't know why we were being told we were live.
But maybe we were having a conversation off mic that
got on the mic. But you know what? That's fine.
Because you know what we were saying? The Lindsay Clancy
(15:22):
attorney is nuts. Did I curse? I was going to say.
As long as I didn't curse, it's not. I think
they were giving us a salty language warning. That was
all that was. Okay.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
All I will say.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I mean, the off mic conversation is the same as
on mic. It's just sometimes we have to get the
bleep button out for Clay mostly. Me a little bit, too.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't even curse that much, but that's the only
thing where if you heard me off air or you
heard you off air, the conversation is not very much
different than what we'd ordinarily be saying. Then it just
might have a little bit more spicy language occasionally, but
I'm just catching up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, Kate, we'll have to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Casey Anthony, which kind of feels like Casey Anthony, Lindsay
Clancy's attorney is now saying in court today, maybe she
didn't actually kill the kids. This is crazy to me, Buck,
because he did the whole trial on she didn't have
the mental capacity because of insanity to be held accountable.
(16:22):
Now he's suggesting that his defense is going to shift
to somebody.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Else killed the kids?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm going to be honest with you, and this is
one where I'll lean on other criminal defense attorneys out there.
We're in a strange procedural posture where You have a
case that was a mistrial, and it was 11 to
1 in favor of the defendant. And now the attorney,
as they try to figure out whether they're going to
do another case, now the attorney is saying, hey, maybe
(16:53):
she didn't kill them at all. After all, when he
didn't even contest that she killed them in the first trial.
I've never seen anything like this, Buck. This is really strange.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Well, this attorney from the beginning when we were talking
about this, The whole thing of we need to remove
the holdout juror and that he's not applying the law correctly,
how can you even argue that other than you're colluding
with other members of the jury to remove the juror
you don't like? The whole thing was crazy. What's the
(17:26):
point of having a jury if the rest of the
jury can just say, write a note to the defense attorney, basically,
or to the court, but the defense attorney knows, saying, yeah,
this person is a big, bad dum-dum, and he should
be removed.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, no, look, I mean, this whole thing is very odd, Buck,
and I have to be honest with you. I've never
seen anything like this. We've got some callers. We're going
to talk with Jack Posobiec from Turning Point. He's going
to be on with us at the bottom of this hour.
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, trying to
catch up during the commercial break. With some of this
craziness in the Lindsay Clancy hearing today where her attorney
says that maybe she didn't actually kill them after all.
And we're going to play you some cuts of that.
We're joined now by Jack Posobiec. He's in D.C. He's
(19:10):
the host of Human Events Daily. author of an upcoming book,
Unhuman Socialist Revolution Tactics for Patriots to Survive a Communist Uprising.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
He's in D.C.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
For a Maha summit kicking off later today. I know
this news is just coming down from the hearing, Jack,
but Buck and I have been talking about this Lindsay
Clancy case a great deal. The entire defense was in
the first trial that she was, because of her mental illness,
unable to be responsible for murdering the kids and Now
(19:42):
the attorney is saying maybe she didn't kill them after all.
This thing just keeps getting crazier.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Well, it does keep getting crazier. And thanks again for
having me on, Clay. What's up, Clay? What's up, Buck?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
And in fact, we actually talk about this and what's
playing into it in the new book on humans, Socialist Revolutions.
We talk about two phenomena that are at play right now,
one of which is, of course, Fifth wave feminism or
toxic feminism, which I hope doesn't need any explanation for people,
but to understand that in fifth wave feminism now, not
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only do they blame men, they will even blame children
themselves for being, quote unquote, oppressors to women. It's all
about taking this Marxist framework. and applying it to families
to destroy the nuclear family. This is what they've wanted
since the days of Karl Marx himself when he wrote
it in the Communist Manifesto. But what you're also seeing
is something, a phenomenon that we call true crime brain rot.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And the true crime brain.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Rot side of this is where you'll see this in
Netflix documentaries. You'll see this in pretty much all of
these things that get pushed in mainstream media is, you know,
I used to think that true crime, because I never
listened to it myself. I used to think that this
stuff was just, oh, they're talking about different crimes that
are out there. But then I realized, that they're taking
these crimes and applying political motives to this.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
You saw this with Derek Chauvin.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
And of course, you see it with Lindsay Clancy, where
they'll say, oh, no, the man must be to blame.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
The woman can never be to blame.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
And it takes on such a life of its own
that it actually finds its way into the courtroom. And
we go from a position of where we believe in
individual rights and individual responsibility for our actions to the
Marxist lens, which is, of course, collective responsibility. Is Lindsay
Clancy really responsible for the things she did? or perhaps
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society was at fault or maybe it's just the husband
and unfortunately a lot of good people are falling for
this because folks in the true crime community push this
all the time everywhere and i could give you example
after example so that's one of the things that we're
doing with the new book is to push this out
to understand that this is an operation that is being
run they do it for clicks they do it for
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uh for shares they do it for money in this
case You got a lawyer who is doing this because
he knows that he's going to be able to go
to this true crime community and use them to raise
hundreds of thousands of dollars for his own pockets.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Hey, Jack, you know, you're speaking about the true crime
community and you and so-called, you know, the quote unquote
true crime community online. You and Charlie Kirk were quite close.
You were really one of his supporters. Top comrades in arms,
if you will. Pardon the phrase comrade. But, you know,
you guys were obviously very good friends. And there is
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a large, as you know, segment online. I don't know
what that represents for real life, but there's a large
segment online of people who go with this. The trial
is meaning the trial of of the men who allegedly
killed Charlie Kirk, that it's not. it's not you know
being conducted in good faith that there's an op that
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there's a cover-up that there's a foreign country there's anything
else you're a former intel guy like me now maybe
some people are going to say that means that disqualify
both of our opinions but you understand what an op
looks like you're also a good friend of charlie's you're
also following the trial closely what do you say to
people who are coming to you from that quote true
crime community saying you're missing the key evidence or it
wasn't really the shooter or whatever.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yeah, look, I mean, this is the same exact thing.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
And yes, obviously, in that case, that is one that
obviously I have a direct tie to. And in fact,
I participated in the hearing, the pretrial hearings that were held.
in Utah for that first week, sat right with Charlie's family,
right with Erica. And yeah, I work with Charlie every
single day. And of course, Charlie, it forms a huge
part of what we talk about in the book, because
we talk about the rise of the violent left and
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the fact that these people are not.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Interested in equality.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
They're interested in brutality and brutalizing their political opponents and
demonizing them so that they can commit those lethal activities.
That's what we need to start understanding. So you mentioned
about this and it's the exact same thing. They'll take any,
you know, a common, look, Buck, you work investigations, I
work investigations. There's always going to be stuff that, you know,
(23:53):
some discrepancy or one witness says one thing, one witness
says another thing because eyewitness testimony always has things that
don't you know, completely line up exactly. Oh, one witness
says he had brown shoes, one witness said he had
white shoes, but then you get a video and you
see which one it is, et cetera. I'm not talking
about this case, but example, that's, that's just because of
the way that human memory works. But unfortunately what these
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people will do is they will take a presupposition of
what they believe happened. And then they'll use all of
those routine discrepancy that potentially could take place that occur
in every single investigation. And they'll say, aha, aha, that
proves that the official narrative doesn't fit. When you look
at the narrative and look, I was in the courtroom
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when They played a number of the videos, some of
which have not fully been released, where you can see
this individual. And, you know, when when he's in the stairwell,
it's clear as day that it's Tyler Robinson. Then they
show a black clad individual go up on the roof
and you see him take the shot. And it's it's
it's harrowing. It's disgusting when you see it. But the
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amount of evidence that they have is is far and beyond.
That which you see in a lot of other high-profile cases,
for example, this Brian Koberger up in Idaho with the
four sorority girls. I mean, they had one bloody fingerprint
on a knife sheath. It was pretty much all they
had directly tying him. A couple of cell phone pings
was all they had tying him directly to that crime,
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and he pled guilty. So you compare that. to this
absolute mountain of evidence in the Tyler Robinson case. And
anyone looking at it from a good faith perspective would say, well, wow,
this is a lot of evidence.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
How do you explain all this? Even if you are
being skeptical. But of course, that's not what the true
crime brain rot community wants.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
They want to tell the other story because ultimately they
aren't actually interested in the truth. Like I said before,
they're just interested in ratings. They're interested in subscriptions. They're
interested in raising money. They're not interested in truth.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Jack, how frustrating is it to you that the story
of Charlie's assassination by Tyler Robinson, based on all the evidence,
didn't turn into a larger conversation about left wing violence,
connecting it to Butler, connecting it to the continued attempts
to kill President Trump and others? And instead turned into Israel,
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killed him. It was an exploding microphone. All these other
different crazy theories out there when the reality is this
guy was a radicalized trans ideologue that had been taken
under by online communities. And that was his clear motivation.
And unfortunately, there's probably a lot more guys like him.
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We see the shooting at the Nashville school. We saw
the shooting in Minneapolis. We've seen so many trans violence incidents.
Instead of that conversation, it spiraled into, oh, there's a
grand conspiracy. And my concern is we're going to see
more trans violence like this because we didn't actually have
the conversation and the debate and the discussion that we
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should have.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Well, look, that's exactly why we're doing the book where
we're doing it.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
You know, I don't want to say something I shouldn't,
but in terms of the DOJ and Pam Bondi's response,
I thought it was atrocious. I thought that the way
that they handled it was just completely drop the ball.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I've said that many times.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
And I think that ultimately gave a lot of space
for these alternate views to sort of like come in
and take over because people were confused.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
They said, I thought this was the left.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
And yet there was no mask kicking in of doors
and And going after left-wing groups. And you see them
attacking ICE with impunity all over the country. They've got
signal chats.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
They've got operations. And you've got people infiltrating it left
and right. But we don't see them getting rolled up.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
And, of course, the problem is that these people are
extremely violent. They believe in violence. And, in fact, I
argue on Human Socialist Revolution, we argue... that the violence
is the point.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
They are envious. They are bitter.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
They hate people who are more successful than them, that
know how to build things in the real world. And
they are driven to violence because they are so bitter.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
It's Cain and Abel all over again, writ large.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
And unfortunately, unless we start to deal with that and
actually have that conversation, the violence is going to continue.
Charlie Kirk will not be the only, the last conservative
who was murdered in this wave. And in fact, we
just had another man who has succumbed to his wounds
from the original Butler assassination attempt. So you've got two
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patriots who died at Butler. You've got Charlie Kirk, who
died at UVU. You've got Luigi Maggioni up there, UnitedHealthcare's CEO.
And this is only getting worse.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
It is metastasizing.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
And I still hear these people say, oh, well, you know,
socialism doesn't work. It's like you're not even having the
right conversation. You need to understand that this is an
actual threat that is unfortunately growing in our country.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
It's going throughout the West. And until people.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Get this, you know, it's like an operating system when
iPhone pushes a new update up. Until you update your
operating system to actually understand what part of the movie
we are in, unfortunately, you're not going to make it.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Speaking of Jack Posobiec, his book is Unhumans, which is
out now. Jack, I know you're also joining us from D.C.
at the Maha Summit. Can you tell us a bit
about that, what's going on there, who's there, and all
that good stuff?
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Well, it's a cool summit. It's actually bringing together a
lot of people. Obviously, Bobby Kennedy is going to be
giving a keynote, and we got the information just late
last night. that actually JD Vance, the vice president, is
going to be joining us here today. But that being said,
as much as I like JD, as much as I
like Bobby, I think I'm more excited for the guy
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who's speaking.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Around 4 p.m. Eastern. That's going to be Iron Mike Tyson.
Pretty cool. He's actually going to be speaking. What a pull, right?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
He's going to be here. They said, what time is
he speaking? I said, he's going to speak whatever time
he wants, okay? So when Iron Mike wants to speak,
you just get out of the way. Don't stand between
him and a microphone. So he's going to be here.
And I think it speaks to the pull of the
Maha movement. It's able to get people to access the
political process that isn't through the traditional liberal, Republican, Democrat,
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conservative ways. It strikes people in different ways. So you
get out different kinds of celebrities, different kinds of speakers,
alternative viewpoints. Gary Brekka is here. Russell Brand, I think,
is coming by. And so you just get people, Huberman,
I don't think he's here, but he's doing something that
you have the ability to reach out to people. And look,
from a midterm perspective, if you're a conservative like I am,
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if you're working with Turning Point Action, trying to get
people out, this is a massive cohort of moms, particularly
suburban moms, that we are always trying to make gains with.
We're constantly underwater with suburban moms. The Maha movement is
the path to get them.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Jack, cold plunge, S tier, A tier, B or C?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
You know, funny enough, Charlie was a big cold plunge guy.
He was a really, really big cold plunge guy. Look,
I support it, but I don't really do it.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I'm more like, I'll do like.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
The cold shower or I'll do a cold plunge if
I've got like a warm, you know what I mean?
Like I've got like a hot tub nearby that I
can jump into because I'm like, I can't go.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I can't go that much. So maybe A tier for me,
not S tier.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
10 minutes of sunlight in the morning. What tier do
you go?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Every day. Every single day. Every single day. S tier.
All right.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
And blue light glasses before you go to bed.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
No, I don't do that. But you know what I
do have is the red light mask. I do the
red light mask. Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I thought only chicks did the red light mask. I
never heard of a guy.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Doing the red light mask. Look at Jack's skin.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
His skin is very nice.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You look at this. You look at this. Yeah. Ten
minutes of sunshine, the red light mask. It's beautiful. It's
not just this beautiful Polish skin, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
That's true. Agent Poso is a friend of ours, guys.
Go get Posobiec's book.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And Jack, make America healthy again. Do what you can.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Do what we can. Make America healthy. I'm trying to
make my eagles healthy again after last night.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
That was a tough one.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Good to see you, my friend. Fly, eagles, fly, even
with a broken wing.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Fly, eagles, fly. Yeah, turn doves into eagles again.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
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Speaker 4 (33:44):
Back in here to clay and buck um we have
Talk backs to get to, a lot of things to discuss,
all that good stuff. And we also have another guest
coming up in the third hour of the program, I believe.
We had just Jack Posobiec on with us. We will
get into some of these talk backs here. Allison, this
is B on the talk back list. Allison in California,
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hit it.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Hey, guys, if you already talked about Heart of the Beast,
I'm sorry. I must have missed it. But otherwise, you
have to go see it. Anyone who's ever loved a
dog has to see this movie. And even if you
don't love dogs, like, you know, I don't even think
Clay likes dogs, but it's an amazing survival adventure film,
beautifully shot, amazing direction, acting, and the dog should win
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the Oscar for best actor.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I got to just real quick. We did a whole
segment with a dog handler last week on the day
the movie came out, and it did. Great numbers on YouTube.
A lot of you watch it on YouTube. Please subscribe
to Clay and Bucky YouTube channel. You'll see the guy
had his dog with him for the interview. So that
all said, we're all over talking about that movie. I
do want to go see the movie. Clay, you did
just catch a stray elbow, though, about you don't like
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dogs from a listener. I'm just going to let you respond.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well, look, I was I think probably what she's referencing
is I got bit by a German shepherd when I
was six years old. I had chicken pox. I was
over at my friend Neil's house. We're in the backyard. Casper,
the German shepherd, I reached down to pet the top
of his head. He jumped up, Buck. I was six
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years old, and he ripped off basically half my face.
I had 50 some odd stitches, which you can think about.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You could see my cheekbone. I had a hole in
my in my cheek.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I had the split all the way in my lip
up to my nose. And so when you're little and
dogs are way closer to being up close to your face,
I mean, if that happened to you, I think you'd
be a little bit apprehensive about big dogs. So. I
don't mind dogs now, but when you get your face
ripped off by a dog, it's hard to be like, oh,
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they're man's best friend. He was very nice to Ginger
Spice when he comes over, and Ginger Spice loves Uncle Clay.
Ginger Spice obviously is my Australian Labradoodle. So in Clay's defense,
because there are people who will like shoo away. Clay's
not a shoo away dogs guy. He's very nice to
the doggie. Yeah, look, by the way, Allie says that
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the dog should win an Oscar. If Lassie didn't win
some sort of award, I find it hard to believe
this dog would be better than Lassie. But anyway, that's
the story she's probably referencing. When we come back, we'll
dive into the latest on all of the Senate campaigns
and more. Do we have any guests in the third hour? Plus,
we just posted photos. from our Oval Office trip. We
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will talk about that. The team is sharing those now.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Much more to come. Final hour next.
Welcome back in our number two, Clay and Buck. We
appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Bunch of
stories to get into. There is a Lindsay Clancy hearing
that took place today. We will maybe discuss that as
they're trying to decide. whether or not there will be
a new trial brought in that case. The hero juror
(00:22):
who refused to vote not guilty has also spoken. We've
got some audio from him that I will play for
all of you. But oil and gas prices. Let's talk
about them for a moment. We talked about this a
little bit last week. And I want to dive into
this right now. As I am speaking to all of you,
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the price of oil and gas right around $ 90 a barrel.
It was $ 68 a barrel back in February when the
fracas with Iran began. Front page of the Wall Street
Journal this morning. Buck, I'm getting ready for the show.
And the headline is Middle East oil exports rebound as
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Iran's chokehold on Hormuz breaks down. And here are a
couple of data points that I thought were significant. Middle
Eastern crude exports rebounded this month to around their highest
level since the war began in February. Oil data trackers
show shipments via Hormuz and bypass routes were delivering just
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under 80 percent of the pre-war regional flow as of
last week. So far this month, crude exports from major
Middle Eastern producers have also risen to almost 13 million
barrels a day. That is the highest total since February
when the region exported nearly 19 million barrels. And so
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further discussion about this and that basically and we kind
of witnessed this yesterday as the secretary of state was
talking with President Trump about the ongoing Iran negotiations. The
in fact, let's play Marco Rubio, who said this publicly.
Rubio said the oil flow in the Strait of Hormuz
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is up significantly. I want to make sure that I
get the number right here, so let me grab it.
This is cut 18. Marco Rubio saying what the Wall
Street Journal wrote this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Listen to him.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
If Iran had a nuclear weapon, they could do whatever
they want with the Straits. Think about what we're doing
right now. The Straits are opened. There is almost as
much oil flowing through the Straits now as before this conflict,
with the exception of Iranian oil, which is not getting out.
If Iran had a nuclear weapon with which it could
threaten its neighbors and the world... No one would be
able to do anything about the Straits. They would be
able to control the Straits, charge a toll and decide
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who got energy and who did not get energy on
this planet. That's what they would do if they had
a nuclear weapon and worse.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
OK, but the blockade is working. Iran, the inflation rate
is skyrocketing in that country. There are reports that Iran
wants to do a deal. This is like rinse repeat
that we've been hearing recently. since February. But I will
say the evidence that is out there now, Buck, suggests
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that Iran does not have much of a negotiating leverage
at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The oil is flowing.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yes, they can still occasionally threaten a tanker, maybe even
strike a tanker. But much of their ability to do so,
the mines have been removed. Where do we go? And again,
the challenge on this is, as we talked about on
the program, The price of oil and gas is elevated.
It takes months to come down. It takes like two
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days to go up. This is the reality of the marketplace.
So you may not feel it between now and the midterms,
but much of the situation in Iran has calmed itself
down in terms of oil and gas exports.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, what we're seeing, I think, Clay, may be something
like this in shorthand. The Trump plan for how this
would go is correct, it's just on a different timeline
than would have been optimal for the election cycle we
are in. And that, I think, was a concern that
we expressed from the very beginning, which is that, okay,
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if there's this back and forth, if they're going to
rely on the pressure, the economic pressure campaign against Iran,
they also, plus military, But they also have the capability
to create disruptions of supply, which will then result in
higher gas prices. And that's what has occurred. And people
are very annoyed. The electorate, at some level, I don't
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know how many people, but there are people, and this
shows up in all of the polling and data, who
are feeling strained. We take calls from them, so we
certainly hear from them here on the show. Strained and
annoyed by not just the price of gas, the price
of diesel is a really big thing as well. Now,
Trump has said the price of diesel is more tied
to the Russia-Ukraine war, which I might add just keeps
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grinding on and on and on with hundreds and hundreds
of thousands of more casualties. No one seems to have
any real plan or even prayer to end this thing
in the immediate future. On the Iranian front, though, so
they were sending out about 1.7 million barrels a day
last September. That's what they were exporting from Iran today.
And now it's at about 200,000, 200, 250,000 dollars, sorry, 200,
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250,000 barrels a day. And that China is the last
major buyer. Secretary Besant has said that's that that ability
to sell to China is also coming to an end. Essentially,
they're not going to have any any bread on the shelves,
so to speak, to sell to China because of. the
problems they have, the embargo that we're– or the blockade, rather,
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that we're running. So that is going to mean that
their GDP is going to get hammered even more. So
this has been– and as you pointed out, Clay, the
strait seems to be open considerably now, I mean, in
a really meaningful way. So if this holds, what you
have is the strategy the Trump administration put in place
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working as it is intended to. It just has taken–
some months longer than certainly the electorate wants to hear.
And you might have this situation where we win the
war against Iran, and yet we are punished for the
war against Iran as a party because it took longer
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and had more financial pain than anticipated. I think that's
very possible.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I don't think that's potentially wrong at all. Now,
here is something to think about. We have seen how
often midterms go poorly for the party in power. Then
the midterm ends and some of the decisions made by
the party in power start to look better in the
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third year and the fourth year. The reason why I
bring this up, I think if I'm J.D. Vance, What
you want to have happen if you're J.D. Vance, let's
presume that J.D. is the guy, could be Marco Rubio,
could be Ted Cruz, could be Ron DeSantis, could be
any number of guys, right, on the Republican side. What
you want to see happen is the economic conditions of
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the party in power start to peak in year four.
As we saw, Buck, before COVID with President Trump in
the first term, 18, he got kneecapped. 20, January, February 2020,
greatest economy we've ever seen. Everybody was in love with
what the Trump economy looked like. I think what we
are headed toward, and I understand people.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Say, oh, you don't know what it feels like. Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think we are about six months away from really
good feeling. starting to percolate through the American public. I
think you are going to see oil and gas prices
come back down substantially. The Atlanta Fed, Buck, didn't get
very much attention. The Atlanta Fed said the economy is
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growing at 5% right now.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
If we could have.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
3% growth, it would feel electric. 4% or 5% growth
would be truly transcendent.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
For our economy.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And so I look at it and I start thinking, hey,
this could be actually really interesting. And have you used–
I want to be positive here for a minute. I
don't know if you've used this. Have you seen Muse, M-U-S-E,
the new AI that Facebook has created? It's like the
number one app in America right now.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm not– I don't know that my hair looks great.
We were making fun of how bad it looked yesterday. But, Buck,
I downloaded Muse. And I was dropping my oldest son
off at college, and my other son had a football practice,
so I had time to kill. And I just said
to Muse, find me a haircut place that is open
(09:06):
on Sunday that you can get me an appointment at
5 p.m. anywhere in the close vicinity of Vanderbilt University.
Three minutes later, Muse, this personal assistant, had completely already
given me an appointment, and I went in and I
(09:28):
got my hair done. And my son, who is 18
years old, has been using Muse. I've got the sport
and state staff using it. I got to tell you,
it is mind-blowing how helpful this thing is. Again, it's
the number one app in America right now. Millions of
you have downloaded it. I don't know how many of
(09:50):
you out there right now listening to us have tried
it out. My point is it is going to start.
I am super optimistic about. about where AI is headed
right now because I think it's going to start to
make us so much more efficient. But I went in
and said, hey, what are the best airfares that you
can find me? And can you just go ahead and book?
(10:13):
Here's my information. It can handle, it's a personal assistant
that can handle almost everything in your life. Think about
how much time you spend doing just menial tasks. I'm
blown away by how good it is. This is a
personal assistant that's just for you. This is not some
larger corporate AI. This is just, hey, let me make
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your life easier by taking away some of the mind-numbing
or frustrating or time-consuming tasks that otherwise you might be
obligated to do. Look, I'm not saying I got a
great haircut, but I got a haircut appointment, and.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
The girl was blown away. I would say you got
a memorable haircut. That's correct. So there's that. You know,
I would say it's something that people will perhaps keep
in mind going forward. I would also say, Clay.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
We got the photos from the White House.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, we got some. But I was going to say
I was going to save that as a tease. But now,
you know, we just got some great photos looking down
at my phone. But I was going to say the
haircut appointment. The girl there, she got a haircut appointment
that she never would have received. She's not spending any
money with AI. She would have otherwise been there and
not had the ability to make money.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
This is just a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Small business that gets a haircut appointment. and suddenly she's
making $ 45, $ 50, I don't know, whatever my haircut ended
up costing with her tip, that she would have never made.
When I came in, she said, how did you find me?
You weren't even showing up on my list. I thought
I was not going to have a 5 p.m. It's
really kind of awesome for her. It worked well for me.
(11:47):
I just think it's going to be super cool to
see some of these applications play out.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
This is something that I've been thinking about lately. The
value of your time.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
And I've talked about this in the context of Amazon.
about how think of not just, oh, it's a great price.
It gets delivered to my door. It used to be,
I need a special screw to put in so I
can replace my door and I got to go to
some hard. Oh, the hardware store doesn't have it. Now
I'm going to drive to another, you know, now maybe
(12:19):
some of you like that. Like my wife loves going
to Costco and I know that some of you say
it's a big lib store, but whatever. She loves Costco.
I actually went for the first time recently. I'll tell you, Clay,
it was quite an experience, but we'll talk about that
another time. She actually enjoys that. She likes she just
likes it. And that's fine. My point about getting your
time back, though, what I will do is what are
the things that you don't want to spend time doing?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Whether it's responding to stupid emails or it's doing, you know,
researching things to find the thing that you need or
I can't even begin to come up with all the
different ways you can use this. It can give you
back time, which you can then put toward the hobby
you love, reading the book you want, being with your family,
spending time with your kids, spending time with your grandkids.
(13:04):
Control over your time is its own currency, and AI
is going to dramatically increase, I believe, your ability to
control your time in a lot of day-to-day senses. And
when you add robotics to it, by the way, which
is a whole other thing, Now you're really talking about
more control over your time.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Most valuable commodity and one that even the wealthiest man
and woman cannot purchase.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Time.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Really, when you start to think about it, almost everything
else can be purchased. And so I'm just telling you,
if you start to play around with these, I'm not
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Speaker 4 (15:02):
Welcome back into clay and buck and interesting stuff going
on in the world right now um We were just
told we were live, which is we know. So I
don't know why we were being told we were live.
But maybe we were having a conversation off mic that
got on the mic. But you know what? That's fine.
Because you know what we were saying? The Lindsay Clancy
(15:22):
attorney is nuts. Did I curse? I was going to say.
As long as I didn't curse, it's not. I think
they were giving us a salty language warning. That was
all that was. Okay.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
All I will say.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I mean, the off mic conversation is the same as
on mic. It's just sometimes we have to get the
bleep button out for Clay mostly. Me a little bit, too.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't even curse that much, but that's the only
thing where if you heard me off air or you
heard you off air, the conversation is not very much
different than what we'd ordinarily be saying. Then it just
might have a little bit more spicy language occasionally, but
I'm just catching up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, Kate, we'll have to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Casey Anthony, which kind of feels like Casey Anthony, Lindsay
Clancy's attorney is now saying in court today, maybe she
didn't actually kill the kids. This is crazy to me, Buck,
because he did the whole trial on she didn't have
the mental capacity because of insanity to be held accountable.
(16:22):
Now he's suggesting that his defense is going to shift
to somebody.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Else killed the kids?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm going to be honest with you, and this is
one where I'll lean on other criminal defense attorneys out there.
We're in a strange procedural posture where You have a
case that was a mistrial, and it was 11 to
1 in favor of the defendant. And now the attorney,
as they try to figure out whether they're going to
do another case, now the attorney is saying, hey, maybe
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she didn't kill them at all. After all, when he
didn't even contest that she killed them in the first trial.
I've never seen anything like this, Buck. This is really strange.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Well, this attorney from the beginning when we were talking
about this, The whole thing of we need to remove
the holdout juror and that he's not applying the law correctly,
how can you even argue that other than you're colluding
with other members of the jury to remove the juror
you don't like? The whole thing was crazy. What's the
(17:26):
point of having a jury if the rest of the
jury can just say, write a note to the defense attorney, basically,
or to the court, but the defense attorney knows, saying, yeah,
this person is a big, bad dum-dum, and he should
be removed.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, no, look, I mean, this whole thing is very odd, Buck,
and I have to be honest with you. I've never
seen anything like this. We've got some callers. We're going
to talk with Jack Posobiec from Turning Point. He's going
to be on with us at the bottom of this hour.
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, trying to
catch up during the commercial break. With some of this
craziness in the Lindsay Clancy hearing today where her attorney
says that maybe she didn't actually kill them after all.
And we're going to play you some cuts of that.
We're joined now by Jack Posobiec. He's in D.C. He's
(19:10):
the host of Human Events Daily. author of an upcoming book,
Unhuman Socialist Revolution Tactics for Patriots to Survive a Communist Uprising.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
He's in D.C.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
For a Maha summit kicking off later today. I know
this news is just coming down from the hearing, Jack,
but Buck and I have been talking about this Lindsay
Clancy case a great deal. The entire defense was in
the first trial that she was, because of her mental illness,
unable to be responsible for murdering the kids and Now
(19:42):
the attorney is saying maybe she didn't kill them after all.
This thing just keeps getting crazier.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Well, it does keep getting crazier. And thanks again for
having me on, Clay. What's up, Clay? What's up, Buck?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
And in fact, we actually talk about this and what's
playing into it in the new book on humans, Socialist Revolutions.
We talk about two phenomena that are at play right now,
one of which is, of course, Fifth wave feminism or
toxic feminism, which I hope doesn't need any explanation for people,
but to understand that in fifth wave feminism now, not
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only do they blame men, they will even blame children
themselves for being, quote unquote, oppressors to women. It's all
about taking this Marxist framework. and applying it to families
to destroy the nuclear family. This is what they've wanted
since the days of Karl Marx himself when he wrote
it in the Communist Manifesto. But what you're also seeing
is something, a phenomenon that we call true crime brain rot.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And the true crime brain.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Rot side of this is where you'll see this in
Netflix documentaries. You'll see this in pretty much all of
these things that get pushed in mainstream media is, you know,
I used to think that true crime, because I never
listened to it myself. I used to think that this
stuff was just, oh, they're talking about different crimes that
are out there. But then I realized, that they're taking
these crimes and applying political motives to this.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
You saw this with Derek Chauvin.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
And of course, you see it with Lindsay Clancy, where
they'll say, oh, no, the man must be to blame.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
The woman can never be to blame.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
And it takes on such a life of its own
that it actually finds its way into the courtroom. And
we go from a position of where we believe in
individual rights and individual responsibility for our actions to the
Marxist lens, which is, of course, collective responsibility. Is Lindsay
Clancy really responsible for the things she did? or perhaps
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society was at fault or maybe it's just the husband
and unfortunately a lot of good people are falling for
this because folks in the true crime community push this
all the time everywhere and i could give you example
after example so that's one of the things that we're
doing with the new book is to push this out
to understand that this is an operation that is being
run they do it for clicks they do it for
(21:48):
uh for shares they do it for money in this
case You got a lawyer who is doing this because
he knows that he's going to be able to go
to this true crime community and use them to raise
hundreds of thousands of dollars for his own pockets.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Hey, Jack, you know, you're speaking about the true crime
community and you and so-called, you know, the quote unquote
true crime community online. You and Charlie Kirk were quite close.
You were really one of his supporters. Top comrades in arms,
if you will. Pardon the phrase comrade. But, you know,
you guys were obviously very good friends. And there is
(22:23):
a large, as you know, segment online. I don't know
what that represents for real life, but there's a large
segment online of people who go with this. The trial
is meaning the trial of of the men who allegedly
killed Charlie Kirk, that it's not. it's not you know
being conducted in good faith that there's an op that
(22:43):
there's a cover-up that there's a foreign country there's anything
else you're a former intel guy like me now maybe
some people are going to say that means that disqualify
both of our opinions but you understand what an op
looks like you're also a good friend of charlie's you're
also following the trial closely what do you say to
people who are coming to you from that quote true
crime community saying you're missing the key evidence or it
wasn't really the shooter or whatever.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yeah, look, I mean, this is the same exact thing.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
And yes, obviously, in that case, that is one that
obviously I have a direct tie to. And in fact,
I participated in the hearing, the pretrial hearings that were held.
in Utah for that first week, sat right with Charlie's family,
right with Erica. And yeah, I work with Charlie every
single day. And of course, Charlie, it forms a huge
part of what we talk about in the book, because
we talk about the rise of the violent left and
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the fact that these people are not.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Interested in equality.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
They're interested in brutality and brutalizing their political opponents and
demonizing them so that they can commit those lethal activities.
That's what we need to start understanding. So you mentioned
about this and it's the exact same thing. They'll take any,
you know, a common, look, Buck, you work investigations, I
work investigations. There's always going to be stuff that, you know,
(23:53):
some discrepancy or one witness says one thing, one witness
says another thing because eyewitness testimony always has things that
don't you know, completely line up exactly. Oh, one witness
says he had brown shoes, one witness said he had
white shoes, but then you get a video and you
see which one it is, et cetera. I'm not talking
about this case, but example, that's, that's just because of
the way that human memory works. But unfortunately what these
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people will do is they will take a presupposition of
what they believe happened. And then they'll use all of
those routine discrepancy that potentially could take place that occur
in every single investigation. And they'll say, aha, aha, that
proves that the official narrative doesn't fit. When you look
at the narrative and look, I was in the courtroom
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when They played a number of the videos, some of
which have not fully been released, where you can see
this individual. And, you know, when when he's in the stairwell,
it's clear as day that it's Tyler Robinson. Then they
show a black clad individual go up on the roof
and you see him take the shot. And it's it's
it's harrowing. It's disgusting when you see it. But the
(24:57):
amount of evidence that they have is is far and beyond.
That which you see in a lot of other high-profile cases,
for example, this Brian Koberger up in Idaho with the
four sorority girls. I mean, they had one bloody fingerprint
on a knife sheath. It was pretty much all they
had directly tying him. A couple of cell phone pings
was all they had tying him directly to that crime,
(25:18):
and he pled guilty. So you compare that. to this
absolute mountain of evidence in the Tyler Robinson case. And
anyone looking at it from a good faith perspective would say, well, wow,
this is a lot of evidence.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
How do you explain all this? Even if you are
being skeptical. But of course, that's not what the true
crime brain rot community wants.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
They want to tell the other story because ultimately they
aren't actually interested in the truth. Like I said before,
they're just interested in ratings. They're interested in subscriptions. They're
interested in raising money. They're not interested in truth.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Jack, how frustrating is it to you that the story
of Charlie's assassination by Tyler Robinson, based on all the evidence,
didn't turn into a larger conversation about left wing violence,
connecting it to Butler, connecting it to the continued attempts
to kill President Trump and others? And instead turned into Israel,
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killed him. It was an exploding microphone. All these other
different crazy theories out there when the reality is this
guy was a radicalized trans ideologue that had been taken
under by online communities. And that was his clear motivation.
And unfortunately, there's probably a lot more guys like him.
(26:31):
We see the shooting at the Nashville school. We saw
the shooting in Minneapolis. We've seen so many trans violence incidents.
Instead of that conversation, it spiraled into, oh, there's a
grand conspiracy. And my concern is we're going to see
more trans violence like this because we didn't actually have
the conversation and the debate and the discussion that we
(26:52):
should have.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Well, look, that's exactly why we're doing the book where
we're doing it.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
You know, I don't want to say something I shouldn't,
but in terms of the DOJ and Pam Bondi's response,
I thought it was atrocious. I thought that the way
that they handled it was just completely drop the ball.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I've said that many times.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
And I think that ultimately gave a lot of space
for these alternate views to sort of like come in
and take over because people were confused.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
They said, I thought this was the left.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
And yet there was no mask kicking in of doors
and And going after left-wing groups. And you see them
attacking ICE with impunity all over the country. They've got
signal chats.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
They've got operations. And you've got people infiltrating it left
and right. But we don't see them getting rolled up.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
And, of course, the problem is that these people are
extremely violent. They believe in violence. And, in fact, I
argue on Human Socialist Revolution, we argue... that the violence
is the point.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
They are envious. They are bitter.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
They hate people who are more successful than them, that
know how to build things in the real world. And
they are driven to violence because they are so bitter.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
It's Cain and Abel all over again, writ large.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
And unfortunately, unless we start to deal with that and
actually have that conversation, the violence is going to continue.
Charlie Kirk will not be the only, the last conservative
who was murdered in this wave. And in fact, we
just had another man who has succumbed to his wounds
from the original Butler assassination attempt. So you've got two
(28:23):
patriots who died at Butler. You've got Charlie Kirk, who
died at UVU. You've got Luigi Maggioni up there, UnitedHealthcare's CEO.
And this is only getting worse.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
It is metastasizing.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
And I still hear these people say, oh, well, you know,
socialism doesn't work. It's like you're not even having the
right conversation. You need to understand that this is an
actual threat that is unfortunately growing in our country.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
It's going throughout the West. And until people.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Get this, you know, it's like an operating system when
iPhone pushes a new update up. Until you update your
operating system to actually understand what part of the movie
we are in, unfortunately, you're not going to make it.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Speaking of Jack Posobiec, his book is Unhumans, which is
out now. Jack, I know you're also joining us from D.C.
at the Maha Summit. Can you tell us a bit
about that, what's going on there, who's there, and all
that good stuff?
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Well, it's a cool summit. It's actually bringing together a
lot of people. Obviously, Bobby Kennedy is going to be
giving a keynote, and we got the information just late
last night. that actually JD Vance, the vice president, is
going to be joining us here today. But that being said,
as much as I like JD, as much as I
like Bobby, I think I'm more excited for the guy
(29:39):
who's speaking.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Around 4 p.m. Eastern. That's going to be Iron Mike Tyson.
Pretty cool. He's actually going to be speaking. What a pull, right?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
He's going to be here. They said, what time is
he speaking? I said, he's going to speak whatever time
he wants, okay? So when Iron Mike wants to speak,
you just get out of the way. Don't stand between
him and a microphone. So he's going to be here.
And I think it speaks to the pull of the
Maha movement. It's able to get people to access the
political process that isn't through the traditional liberal, Republican, Democrat,
(30:09):
conservative ways. It strikes people in different ways. So you
get out different kinds of celebrities, different kinds of speakers,
alternative viewpoints. Gary Brekka is here. Russell Brand, I think,
is coming by. And so you just get people, Huberman,
I don't think he's here, but he's doing something that
you have the ability to reach out to people. And look,
from a midterm perspective, if you're a conservative like I am,
(30:31):
if you're working with Turning Point Action, trying to get
people out, this is a massive cohort of moms, particularly
suburban moms, that we are always trying to make gains with.
We're constantly underwater with suburban moms. The Maha movement is
the path to get them.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Jack, cold plunge, S tier, A tier, B or C?
Speaker 7 (30:54):
You know, funny enough, Charlie was a big cold plunge guy.
He was a really, really big cold plunge guy. Look,
I support it, but I don't really do it.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I'm more like, I'll do like.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
The cold shower or I'll do a cold plunge if
I've got like a warm, you know what I mean?
Like I've got like a hot tub nearby that I
can jump into because I'm like, I can't go.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I can't go that much. So maybe A tier for me,
not S tier.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
10 minutes of sunlight in the morning. What tier do
you go?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Every day. Every single day. Every single day. S tier.
All right.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
And blue light glasses before you go to bed.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
No, I don't do that. But you know what I
do have is the red light mask. I do the
red light mask. Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I thought only chicks did the red light mask. I
never heard of a guy.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Doing the red light mask. Look at Jack's skin.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
His skin is very nice.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You look at this. You look at this. Yeah. Ten
minutes of sunshine, the red light mask. It's beautiful. It's
not just this beautiful Polish skin, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
That's true. Agent Poso is a friend of ours, guys.
Go get Posobiec's book.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Thank you, guys.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And Jack, make America healthy again. Do what you can.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Do what we can. Make America healthy. I'm trying to
make my eagles healthy again after last night.
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Good to see you, my friend. Fly, eagles, fly, even
with a broken wing.
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Fly, eagles, fly. Yeah, turn doves into eagles again.
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Back in here to clay and buck um we have
Talk backs to get to, a lot of things to discuss,
all that good stuff. And we also have another guest
coming up in the third hour of the program, I believe.
We had just Jack Posobiec on with us. We will
get into some of these talk backs here. Allison, this
is B on the talk back list. Allison in California,
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Hey, guys, if you already talked about Heart of the Beast,
I'm sorry. I must have missed it. But otherwise, you
have to go see it. Anyone who's ever loved a
dog has to see this movie. And even if you
don't love dogs, like, you know, I don't even think
Clay likes dogs, but it's an amazing survival adventure film,
beautifully shot, amazing direction, acting, and the dog should win
(34:30):
the Oscar for best actor.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I got to just real quick. We did a whole
segment with a dog handler last week on the day
the movie came out, and it did. Great numbers on YouTube.
A lot of you watch it on YouTube. Please subscribe
to Clay and Bucky YouTube channel. You'll see the guy
had his dog with him for the interview. So that
all said, we're all over talking about that movie. I
do want to go see the movie. Clay, you did
just catch a stray elbow, though, about you don't like
(34:52):
dogs from a listener. I'm just going to let you respond.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well, look, I was I think probably what she's referencing
is I got bit by a German shepherd when I
was six years old. I had chicken pox. I was
over at my friend Neil's house. We're in the backyard. Casper,
the German shepherd, I reached down to pet the top
of his head. He jumped up, Buck. I was six
(35:16):
years old, and he ripped off basically half my face.
I had 50 some odd stitches, which you can think about.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You could see my cheekbone. I had a hole in
my in my cheek.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I had the split all the way in my lip
up to my nose. And so when you're little and
dogs are way closer to being up close to your face,
I mean, if that happened to you, I think you'd
be a little bit apprehensive about big dogs. So. I
don't mind dogs now, but when you get your face
ripped off by a dog, it's hard to be like, oh,
(35:50):
they're man's best friend. He was very nice to Ginger
Spice when he comes over, and Ginger Spice loves Uncle Clay.
Ginger Spice obviously is my Australian Labradoodle. So in Clay's defense,
because there are people who will like shoo away. Clay's
not a shoo away dogs guy. He's very nice to
the doggie. Yeah, look, by the way, Allie says that
(36:11):
the dog should win an Oscar. If Lassie didn't win
some sort of award, I find it hard to believe
this dog would be better than Lassie. But anyway, that's
the story she's probably referencing. When we come back, we'll
dive into the latest on all of the Senate campaigns
and more. Do we have any guests in the third hour? Plus,
we just posted photos. from our Oval Office trip. We
(36:35):
will talk about that. The team is sharing those now.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Much more to come. Final hour next.
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