Colin’s joined by John Middlekauff, host of “3 and Out” to break down the biggest games in college football! College football reactions are presented by JLab!
They start by talking about the marquee matchup between Texas and Georgia being dominated by the Bulldogs (2:30), why Georgia quarterback Carson Beck has proven he’s not a first round draft pick (4:00) and why this could actually be a loss that helps Texas win a national championship (8:00).
Finally, they break down USC’s woes both on the field and especially when it comes to their struggles recruiting top talent from the state of California (12:00), and debate whether USC and head coach Lincoln Riley could be destined for a divorce (15:00)
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:39):
So Georgia beat Texas thirty to fifteen. Again, Georgia couldn't
do anything offensively and they beat Texas. So my big
takeaway on this was Carson Beck is no longer a
first round quarterback.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Like it's just not it is can't drag it is
he a second day quarterback?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I wrote down here, so it was twenty three of
four forty one. This is what Georgia talent, no touchdown,
three picks. I wrote down top of third round. I
mean when I watched him, I'm like, he feels he
feels like a third round pick. Georgia actually was decent
on third down, but they only had fourteen first downs.
(01:19):
Go to Austin and double the Longhorns. But quinn Ewers, Now,
Texas couldn't run the ball at all, and they almost
felt I will say this, Georgia has been in so
many of these big games over the last six years.
Georgia was totally ready for the moment. Texas has been
in about three of these. Two or three was sark.
(01:40):
I don't think they were ready. They were atrocious on
third down. They couldn't run the football. A quinn Ewers,
I thought. I still think because of his arm, he'll
get drafted somewhere in the first round. Somebody will think
they can solve him.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I mean, Texas average with the best offensive line in
college football three point four yards of play when I
watched that game, and by the way, outside, I mean,
Oregon had two bad games and one. Ohio State lost,
but I didn't think played poorly. Bamas had a stinker,
George's had a stinker. Texas has had a stinker. This
(02:14):
is why I have a twelve game playoff.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
This is I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think Ohio State to me is the most consistently
good team, whereas Oregon got Ohio State at home. You
gotta be careful label terrible against Boise State and terrible
against Idaho. I kind of look at this Texas game
and I think this is just one of those games
that Georgia's been in. I mean, it's just they've been
(02:38):
in this game six years, probably three games a year
like this.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I thought it was a personality game. And I've been
I've been critical over when it comes to Sark over
the years, but I've slowly come around. He's clearly an
excellent play caller. I saw him live. He's brilliant at that.
It's clear how hard he recruits and how much passion
he puts inside this program. But at the end of
the day, he's a quarterback, right, That's who he is
(03:03):
at his core. And Kirby Smart is Saban's mentee, and
he's a crazy ass defensive guy. Like at his core,
he's a crazy defensive guy. I mean, we've seen it
on the sideline, but he's a former safety. He's a
tough guy. And usually quarterbacks like they're just not super
angry all the time. Sarks more intellectual, always more offense.
(03:24):
This was a game and Kirby said it after the game,
like we didn't come here to take pictures and do
all the superstar bs. Well, what happened in that game?
It was all about the line of scrimmage. What Texas
actually has, you know, supposedly a bunch of NFL guys.
They had seven sacks and it felt like they had
twenty five pressures and that can you imagine how on
(03:44):
edge Kirby was all week with just the defensive side
of the ball and the way you can't to me,
you can't manipulate that stuff. I've been in these buildings,
like the head coaches personnel, it is what it is.
You either have the crazy listen. Andy's not like, you know,
coming with an iron fist on everybody, but he does
create toughness with the way he practices. So the offensive
(04:07):
guys historically, you know Lincoln laying that they're just not
not doing Oklahoma drills like at the at a moment's notice,
the Saban types, the Kirby types will just blow a whistle.
Maybe not as much anymore, but that personality of a practice.
You can't fake that stuff. And you could tell from
the jump you're like Georgia is out for blood. Yeah,
this is a team. All they've heard about is everyone
(04:29):
put in Texas who's new to the SEC and they
they run it now and Kirby looks around and goes,
that is not happening on my watch. And they came.
They destroyed them upfront. I mean that Walker kid, I
mean he had three sacks. He was all over the backfield.
But they have seven sacks. And even Arch came in.
(04:49):
You could tell I was listen. I had money on Georgia,
but I then started feeling I was rooting for Arch
and right away I'm like, hey, he looks a little
overwhelmed because this is a lot and Quinn, you Weres
just isn't good enough to me. Carson back is a
third day pick, and I don't you know, part of
a quarterback is the character and stuff. I know nothing
about that, but just as a player, yeah, I just
don't think he's that good. Same but Kirby smart would go,
(05:11):
I've won national championships with third day picks before you
ever heard sets of Benett and went back to backs
with that guy. Yeah, so I'm the Sabans and him
are comfortable playing with that. Or if you look at Sark,
what did they have invested in their quarterback room between
the two guys, you wers in Arch five million dollars. Yeah,
you know, I mean whatever they're paying Carson back. Kirby's like, yeah,
that's probably too much because he wants to run the
(05:33):
ball and play defense.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I did think though, because of the twelve team playoff,
it was the way tex Starks team's good.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I don't think Texas sucks by any means, Like, I
just think that was the overwhelming performance. George is probably
beating everybody in the country.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And I think it's how Texas had to lose to
win a national championship. Because this Texas team is so
pretty and so talented quarterback and so big.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They they win the hotel lobby. I mean, you come
out at midfield, You're like, these guys don't look like.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
A call live two weeks ago. They look remarkable at
every position.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, and it's like, oh no, now, last year before
the twelve team playoff, you don't want to lose like
this in college football. I mean, that'll take you from
one to four and all of a sudden, you get
to an overtime game against you know, some other team
and it's but that's how the new college football john
with a twelve team playoff. If you want to win
a Natty, you need to get your butt handed to
(06:30):
you once a year. And because these two teams there's
a better than fifty percent chance they'll play again, and
the final four in the final, right right, So it's
like to me, as I watched it, I thought, Okay,
if Texas outplayed them and lost, it would be hard
to go back and say, hey, guys, you got to
play a perfect game. Texas was Hugh milliated at home,
(06:53):
and I mean, I'm writing down these numbers. They were
two for fifteen on third down, they had twenty nine
rushing yards. They got their butt hand to do him
at home. And my take was, in a weird way,
we've talked about March madness before. These Kansas teams. You know,
you'll play a really good team out of conference, and
it's like, no, it's okay to get your butt handed
in December, because in March you can put the tape
(07:14):
back into your team and say, remember this team that
knocked you out.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But the one thing in March madness, that's a good example.
What's his name? Bennett just retired in Virginia and he
had that historic loss in the first round, and obviously,
like any great coach, if you go tournament enough, you're
gonna have some awful losses because only one game and
anything can happen.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Well, my take is really on both these two teams,
and to me, if Georgia's defense plays like that, they
would be hard for anyone to beat because upfront they
just smother you. But both quarterbacks, if you're playing another
good team, could lose to anybody because yours when he's bad,
feel he just felt awful, Like it felt like unplayable.
I mean, everyone was thinking it on their couch, like Sark,
you got to go to the bullpen. It was that
(07:54):
clear to him, which could not have been an easy
thing to do. Now, granted it's it's a unique situation
with Archie's not like your typical high recruit because he
goes right back to yours. But he had no choice,
like he was playing a losing football game. Carson Beck
kind of was too so in these big games against
other good teams, like you could lose it. Will Howard
actually not watching that game against Oregon, you know, I
(08:17):
don't see how he could. Yeah, I thought though too,
but like what if he has a bad game, like
all these teams, we'll see Dylan Gabriel, who's probably you know,
has the best statistics of all these guys, but like
you don't have the faith like a Joe Burrow, right
or one of those level guys that like, no matter what,
he's going to make a play at any moment in
the in the final eight, the final four, these guys
could have a bad game and it could cost their team.
(08:40):
I'm not confident in any of these teams, Like I
think they're all going to be there. It's pretty clear
who's going to be the last six to seven teams
stand in right now, right who the best teams are
Oregon obviously, Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, like and then a
couple more we could nitpick from like five or six.
Maybe their quarterbacks even Tennessee, like their quarterback at any
moment could throw the game, like all the Patrick Mahomes,
(09:01):
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. That is not the version of
guy Chador I would have the most confidence. But they
blew that Kansas State game, They're probably not going to
get in. Their team wouldn't be good enough, like they'd
have no chance to block Tennessee or Georgia. But like,
if you put Shador like the way he's playing on
one of these teams, I would have a lot more confidence.
I can't just with a straight face pick Georgia to
win the Natty. I don't trust the quarterback Quinn Yours like,
(09:23):
I don't think he's that good. Yeah, right, well, Howard.
I will find out as the season goes on. Aller
made some great plays against USC, but he's got to
do it against you know, he's got to do it
more than one time. He's only done it one time
in his career. So I think that's the biggest question mark.
You know with all the top teams in college football
is like their quarterback, do they get overwhelmed in a game?
Throw three or four? Both those quarterbacks could have thrown
(09:44):
like five picks each. I mean their balls were bouncing
off the other color jersey countless times. They looked overwhelmed.
They really did, even Carson Beck, who was just I
had someone text me that he's like, I don't remember
a guy because there was lot of media hype, but
the NFL hype, yes he's a first roundn't remember a
guy losing millions this fast. I mean, it's we're not
(10:07):
even to Halloween, and everyone's like, oh, can't draft this
guy high.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So I want to talk USC, even though they are
a losing team they're now three and four, because here's
what is remarkable, and I think it's worth six or
seven minutes with us because you know, people know I
follow him. So Billy Edwards from Maryland's not a great
college quarterback. They were two for thirteen on third down,
they had fifty six yards rushing, and Maryland beat USC.
(10:35):
And USC has led every game, most of them late
because they are so egregiously bad on the offensive line
and so young. They can't like, they can't put together
like a twelve play drive to seal wins. They had
Penn State beat, they had Maryland beat, they had Minnesota.
They never felt like they were in control it. But
it's interesting about this is that I was talking to
(10:57):
somebody very close to USC and he said, listen, he's
got a Jimbo Fisher deal us. He's not writing seventy
million dollar checks and they're not getting rid of him.
But there's been this feeling since he's been there in
the administration that he has a lot more control over
USC than USC has over him. In fact, they're building
this big facility now three hundred million dollars because it's
(11:17):
in his contract and if they don't build it, he
can leave. But it is interesting. I actually think they
have some really really good line talent. They're just all
red shirting and they're young. But what's happening with us,
he's fascinating. They're not recruiting California. If you go look at.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
The rivals, take rivals for instance, or.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
On three these recruiting sites, and you go to the
top forty players in southern California in this class, I've
got like three guys. It's like Bama, Oregon, Bama, Ohio State, Oregon,
A and M and M Louisville, Alabama. And there is
something about college football. It's very territorial. John, you can lose.
(12:00):
But if you're not in Ohio State, you just have
to take a three star linebacker occasionally because he's an
Ohio kid. You just have to do it. You got
to take the tight end who's a three star. He's
from a big high school program. Locally, there may be
a three star Florida kid, but you're going to have
to do certain things. You know, Ohio is proud of Ohio.
LA is very transient, doesn't really care about that. But
(12:22):
I'm hearing it now from two and three different people,
like he's just not connecting with LA coaches, And it's like,
can you imagine Kirby Smart doing most of his recruiting
in Texas? Like there is something about Lincoln there's this
sense that he's aloof He's not necessarily relatable. He can
be off putting. He you know, he just it's not
(12:47):
just the losing. Once you start losing, people put a
microscope on your program. Now you have losing. He's not
really going. He doesn't wow boosters right, Like that was
the undoing for Chip Kelly. You're not winning and you
don't take care of the donors and boosters. Do you
think today, if USC he could just go, we're starting over.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well, I think they both want a divorce. Like to me,
Lincoln Fields has always felt, and I've said this to
you from the beginning, regions and where you're from matters
in college football does not matter in the pros, and
in college football just does because recruiting your region, especially
when it's in southern California. When a ton of good
players come from matters well, who could relate Pete Carroll?
(13:33):
Why he's a California guy?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I mean, you look at the best coaches over the
last I don't know, several decades on the West coast,
Jeff Tedford, where's he from California? Chris Peterson, where'd he coach?
Boise State? Washington? Where'd he grow up? California? Went to
UC Davis. Mike Pilatti, where is he from? West coast?
Chip Kelly? There are outliers Urban went to the south.
Chip Kelly, who's the northeast, came to Oregon. But I
(13:57):
think for Kirby Smart, like why does he work in
the seas? I wonder? You know Nick sab in West
Virginia to me, pretty similar. There's a lot of success.
You see it right now with Debor, He's gonna get
a lot of heat. He's not one of theirs. And
I think the USC thing, Colin, they're one and four
in the Big ten. It's to me the Penn State thing.
That's an awful tough loss to take, but it's still
(14:19):
Penn State. They're really good. When you start losing the
Minnesota in Maryland, especially the way the stat I was
gonna read it to you. They've, like you said, they've
held a lead in all in every game they've played
this year, and over the last twenty years, two hundred
teams have had a fourth quarter lead in all of
their first seven games. Only one other team during that
(14:40):
span has had a losing record, So they're like a
statistical anomaly to lose all these games. Yesterday was insane.
I mean they're up twenty eight to fourteen in the
fourth quarter. I mean, how does that it just? And
this gets back to like Sark has way better talent,
but you can't fake being a tough guy in football
when you're not. Like Dan Campbell's a tough guy, the
Hardball Brother tough guys, Tomlin's a tough guy. Rabel's a
(15:03):
tough guy. Belichick could manipulate it, like through mind games
and the type guys he surrounded himself with. I'm not
saying he's gonna win a fistfight, but you'd also say
Belichick's pretty mentally tough, right, I mean, he's not easy
to break. And I just think I look at Lincoln
and I go, I just don't see a tough guy.
And they've gotten into these spots, especially on the road.
These are not You're not going to Oregon State, right
(15:24):
or Arizona State where it's an easy flight. These are
a long hour. How long is the flight to Maryland?
It's a five hour flight? Yeah, right, You going to
Minnesota that's probably four and a half hours. These are
tough travels and they just mentally crumble. And I never
thought one. I thought he was really good coach, so
I understood why they wanted him. LSU wanted him to
They gave one hundred and twenty mins.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Still think he's a very clever schemer and play designer.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But it's just like they need they need a defensive coordinator.
And it's not like he has this long list of guys.
Because the Leech guys think of his the tree that
he comes from, it's kind of a it's not a
tree that produces many tough, physical football teams. That's not
like his ethos as a football guy, right, the Mike Leach,
the way he wants to play, He'd ideally like to
(16:07):
win forty five to thirty eight. That's I mean, that's
how he had a lot of success in Oklahoma with
the Baker teams. They were scoring a ton of points.
But Colin, they're their schedule is not crazy hard. But
you go like seven and five, seven and five, this is.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Year three they had him. They have two playable offensive
tackles in the program.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Him and Brian Kelly got hired the same year, right
year three, And we talked about this when they got
in a little scuffle about him wanting to cancel the game.
He ended up beating them. But what has transpired since
you watch Brian Kelly's team, Like, are is LSU going
to the playoffs? Probably? I mean, they might check their
schedule and they're getting better and better and he's playing
they're both playing nuss Meyer and Miller Moss. It's not
(16:52):
like he's got Jayden Daniels and Kayleb Williams anymore. And
I don't know, man, I think you go back. Let's
just look at those two. Brian Kelly has a long resume.
You could put him anywhere and he'll figure it out.
Lincoln did inherit Oklahoma, which at the time was humming.
I mean, they were a lot like Chip Kelly in Oregon.
It wasn't top two every year, but they were top
(17:13):
eighteen fifteen every year. You just had to take that
next step. That's an easier thing to do than just, hey,
here's a shit sandwich, Nick Saban, what Brian Kelly get me?
Just eleven wins every year? That's really difficult and normally
what urban can do, there's a short list of guys
that can do that. Even though if Lincoln's a really
good coach, I just think he fits more. I don't know,
(17:35):
like some Big twelve team. I just think that's the
way he wants to play. This Big ten has been very,
very difficult on him. And it's way harder travel Like
they're like traveling like NFL teams. Yeah, conference play, you're
flying four hours, five hours. That never happened in the
history of these programs.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Also, he's getting it's late October, he's getting weather breaks.
Minnesota was warm, little windy Maryland weather was good. There's
gonna be years where it's snow like when you go
to the They have one playable running back, like in
a big spot, a guy you would trust with the ball.
They have two playable offensive tackles. We're three years in,
they're nil is thirteen million a year.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It's not Oregon or Georgia or Texas, but it's in
the Ohio State Room. It's about thirteen. I was telling
somebody this weekend, who's really close. I said, there's three
or four positions you buy in the nil quarterback, left tackle,
edge rusher. You'll find receivers. I mean, they have an
(18:36):
okay quarterback, left tackle, they're playing a freshman. They don't
have an elite edge rusher. It's like Lincoln, don't buy corners.
You know, this is La. People run. You can get backs, corners, receiver,
you can get those guys. You don't pay tight ends
in the transfer portal. You don't pay guards and the
transfer portal. You know they have an offensive and a
(18:57):
defensive lineman from Wyoming and both start. It's like, what
are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I know times are a lot different than you know
the HEYDAFP Carroll, But when I close my eyes and
I think of those rosters, and when I got to
college and they started really taking off the base of
the squad. And this is what you opened up saying,
was all southern California, LA and San Diego. They're best players.
And then because he was such a great recruiter, he'd
go get a Joe McKnight from Louisiana this guy from
(19:26):
New Jersey, he'd nitpick, and I get the recruiting world's changed,
But to me, how do they build momentum in recruiting
if he's not mister pizazz like, so that's not his thing.
Their team's not as good Oregon, Ohio State, I mean
Alabama in Oklahoma and these other programs for years have
been coming into Southern California as USC has kind of
you know, been in the middle ground. Not you see
(19:48):
the numbers that Clay Helton through his first thirty four games,
and Lincoln Riley he has a better record. I just
think this thing is headed toward now. There's so much
money in the line. I don't know why if Lincoln
like why you just give a divorce. But he's got
to be kind of miserable. This can't be a natural
fit living on the beach, like he does not feel
like that guy he did. I think Lane would have
(20:11):
no problem doing it again, like it's yeah, this is
not it does not feel when you look at Lincoln
Riley the comfortability in the colors and the clothes, and
it's obviously not working because one in four in the
Big Ten. It's one thing if you had lost to
Ohio State, Penn State. I mean they are losing too
awful teams like Maryland just should never have won that game.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Ever, Dormy don't have just how many players.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You do you? I mean, do you think that there's
a divorce and in here or no?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I think I think they have he'll. I think Jen
Cohen the ad is gonna She's gonna stay with him,
but it gives her a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm not saying they fire him, but I'm saying, do
you think Lincoln's happy? Like, do you think this is
just like this is this isn't working? So is this
one of these things that does he even want to
do this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think they're losing close and the team is so
young offensively, I think he can rationalize the losses and
say we bring everybody back except a running back and
a center, and I do think they'll be better next year.
I just think I can assure you Jen Con and
the administration of the Boosters. They didn't think they were
(21:18):
winning a Natty, but this has been.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Didn't think they were going seven and five either.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Five and seven. Just keep your fingers crossed.
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So Georgia beat Texas thirty to fifteen. Again, Georgia couldn't
do anything offensively and they beat Texas. So my big
takeaway on this was Carson Beck is no longer a
first round quarterback.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Like it's just not it is can't drag it is
he a second day quarterback?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I wrote down here, so it was twenty three of
four forty one. This is what Georgia talent, no touchdown,
three picks. I wrote down top of third round. I
mean when I watched him, I'm like, he feels he
feels like a third round pick. Georgia actually was decent
on third down, but they only had fourteen first downs.
(01:19):
Go to Austin and double the Longhorns. But quinn Ewers, Now,
Texas couldn't run the ball at all, and they almost
felt I will say this, Georgia has been in so
many of these big games over the last six years.
Georgia was totally ready for the moment. Texas has been
in about three of these. Two or three was sark.
(01:40):
I don't think they were ready. They were atrocious on
third down. They couldn't run the football. A quinn Ewers,
I thought. I still think because of his arm, he'll
get drafted somewhere in the first round. Somebody will think
they can solve him.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I mean, Texas average with the best offensive line in
college football three point four yards of play when I
watched that game, and by the way, outside, I mean,
Oregon had two bad games and one. Ohio State lost,
but I didn't think played poorly. Bamas had a stinker,
George's had a stinker. Texas has had a stinker. This
(02:14):
is why I have a twelve game playoff.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
This is I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think Ohio State to me is the most consistently
good team, whereas Oregon got Ohio State at home. You
gotta be careful label terrible against Boise State and terrible
against Idaho. I kind of look at this Texas game
and I think this is just one of those games
that Georgia's been in. I mean, it's just they've been
(02:38):
in this game six years, probably three games a year
like this.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I thought it was a personality game. And I've been
I've been critical over when it comes to Sark over
the years, but I've slowly come around. He's clearly an
excellent play caller. I saw him live. He's brilliant at that.
It's clear how hard he recruits and how much passion
he puts inside this program. But at the end of
the day, he's a quarterback, right, That's who he is
(03:03):
at his core. And Kirby Smart is Saban's mentee, and
he's a crazy ass defensive guy. Like at his core,
he's a crazy defensive guy. I mean, we've seen it
on the sideline, but he's a former safety. He's a
tough guy. And usually quarterbacks like they're just not super
angry all the time. Sarks more intellectual, always more offense.
(03:24):
This was a game and Kirby said it after the game,
like we didn't come here to take pictures and do
all the superstar bs. Well, what happened in that game?
It was all about the line of scrimmage. What Texas
actually has, you know, supposedly a bunch of NFL guys.
They had seven sacks and it felt like they had
twenty five pressures and that can you imagine how on
(03:44):
edge Kirby was all week with just the defensive side
of the ball and the way you can't to me,
you can't manipulate that stuff. I've been in these buildings,
like the head coaches personnel, it is what it is.
You either have the crazy listen. Andy's not like, you know,
coming with an iron fist on everybody, but he does
create toughness with the way he practices. So the offensive
(04:07):
guys historically, you know Lincoln laying that they're just not
not doing Oklahoma drills like at the at a moment's notice,
the Saban types, the Kirby types will just blow a whistle.
Maybe not as much anymore, but that personality of a practice.
You can't fake that stuff. And you could tell from
the jump you're like Georgia is out for blood. Yeah,
this is a team. All they've heard about is everyone
(04:29):
put in Texas who's new to the SEC and they
they run it now and Kirby looks around and goes,
that is not happening on my watch. And they came.
They destroyed them upfront. I mean that Walker kid, I
mean he had three sacks. He was all over the backfield.
But they have seven sacks. And even Arch came in.
(04:49):
You could tell I was listen. I had money on Georgia,
but I then started feeling I was rooting for Arch
and right away I'm like, hey, he looks a little
overwhelmed because this is a lot and Quinn, you Weres
just isn't good enough to me. Carson back is a
third day pick, and I don't you know, part of
a quarterback is the character and stuff. I know nothing
about that, but just as a player, yeah, I just
don't think he's that good. Same but Kirby smart would go,
(05:11):
I've won national championships with third day picks before you
ever heard sets of Benett and went back to backs
with that guy. Yeah, so I'm the Sabans and him
are comfortable playing with that. Or if you look at Sark,
what did they have invested in their quarterback room between
the two guys, you wers in Arch five million dollars. Yeah,
you know, I mean whatever they're paying Carson back. Kirby's like, yeah,
that's probably too much because he wants to run the
(05:33):
ball and play defense.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I did think though, because of the twelve team playoff,
it was the way tex Starks team's good.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I don't think Texas sucks by any means, Like, I
just think that was the overwhelming performance. George is probably
beating everybody in the country.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And I think it's how Texas had to lose to
win a national championship. Because this Texas team is so
pretty and so talented quarterback and so big.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They they win the hotel lobby. I mean, you come
out at midfield, You're like, these guys don't look like.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
A call live two weeks ago. They look remarkable at
every position.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, and it's like, oh no, now, last year before
the twelve team playoff, you don't want to lose like
this in college football. I mean, that'll take you from
one to four and all of a sudden, you get
to an overtime game against you know, some other team
and it's but that's how the new college football john
with a twelve team playoff. If you want to win
a Natty, you need to get your butt handed to
(06:30):
you once a year. And because these two teams there's
a better than fifty percent chance they'll play again, and
the final four in the final, right right, So it's
like to me, as I watched it, I thought, Okay,
if Texas outplayed them and lost, it would be hard
to go back and say, hey, guys, you got to
play a perfect game. Texas was Hugh milliated at home,
(06:53):
and I mean, I'm writing down these numbers. They were
two for fifteen on third down, they had twenty nine
rushing yards. They got their butt hand to do him
at home. And my take was, in a weird way,
we've talked about March madness before. These Kansas teams. You know,
you'll play a really good team out of conference, and
it's like, no, it's okay to get your butt handed
in December, because in March you can put the tape
(07:14):
back into your team and say, remember this team that
knocked you out.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But the one thing in March madness, that's a good example.
What's his name? Bennett just retired in Virginia and he
had that historic loss in the first round, and obviously,
like any great coach, if you go tournament enough, you're
gonna have some awful losses because only one game and
anything can happen.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Well, my take is really on both these two teams,
and to me, if Georgia's defense plays like that, they
would be hard for anyone to beat because upfront they
just smother you. But both quarterbacks, if you're playing another
good team, could lose to anybody because yours when he's bad,
feel he just felt awful, Like it felt like unplayable.
I mean, everyone was thinking it on their couch, like Sark,
you got to go to the bullpen. It was that
(07:54):
clear to him, which could not have been an easy
thing to do. Now, granted it's it's a unique situation
with Archie's not like your typical high recruit because he
goes right back to yours. But he had no choice,
like he was playing a losing football game. Carson Beck
kind of was too so in these big games against
other good teams, like you could lose it. Will Howard
actually not watching that game against Oregon, you know, I
(08:17):
don't see how he could. Yeah, I thought though too,
but like what if he has a bad game, like
all these teams, we'll see Dylan Gabriel, who's probably you know,
has the best statistics of all these guys, but like
you don't have the faith like a Joe Burrow, right
or one of those level guys that like, no matter what,
he's going to make a play at any moment in
the in the final eight, the final four, these guys
could have a bad game and it could cost their team.
(08:40):
I'm not confident in any of these teams, Like I
think they're all going to be there. It's pretty clear
who's going to be the last six to seven teams
stand in right now, right who the best teams are
Oregon obviously, Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, like and then a
couple more we could nitpick from like five or six.
Maybe their quarterbacks even Tennessee, like their quarterback at any
moment could throw the game, like all the Patrick Mahomes,
(09:01):
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. That is not the version of
guy Chador I would have the most confidence. But they
blew that Kansas State game, They're probably not going to
get in. Their team wouldn't be good enough, like they'd
have no chance to block Tennessee or Georgia. But like,
if you put Shador like the way he's playing on
one of these teams, I would have a lot more confidence.
I can't just with a straight face pick Georgia to
win the Natty. I don't trust the quarterback Quinn Yours like,
(09:23):
I don't think he's that good. Yeah, right, well, Howard.
I will find out as the season goes on. Aller
made some great plays against USC, but he's got to
do it against you know, he's got to do it
more than one time. He's only done it one time
in his career. So I think that's the biggest question mark.
You know with all the top teams in college football
is like their quarterback, do they get overwhelmed in a game?
Throw three or four? Both those quarterbacks could have thrown
(09:44):
like five picks each. I mean their balls were bouncing
off the other color jersey countless times. They looked overwhelmed.
They really did, even Carson Beck, who was just I
had someone text me that he's like, I don't remember
a guy because there was lot of media hype, but
the NFL hype, yes he's a first roundn't remember a
guy losing millions this fast. I mean, it's we're not
(10:07):
even to Halloween, and everyone's like, oh, can't draft this
guy high.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So I want to talk USC, even though they are
a losing team they're now three and four, because here's
what is remarkable, and I think it's worth six or
seven minutes with us because you know, people know I
follow him. So Billy Edwards from Maryland's not a great
college quarterback. They were two for thirteen on third down,
they had fifty six yards rushing, and Maryland beat USC.
(10:35):
And USC has led every game, most of them late
because they are so egregiously bad on the offensive line
and so young. They can't like, they can't put together
like a twelve play drive to seal wins. They had
Penn State beat, they had Maryland beat, they had Minnesota.
They never felt like they were in control it. But
it's interesting about this is that I was talking to
(10:57):
somebody very close to USC and he said, listen, he's
got a Jimbo Fisher deal us. He's not writing seventy
million dollar checks and they're not getting rid of him.
But there's been this feeling since he's been there in
the administration that he has a lot more control over
USC than USC has over him. In fact, they're building
this big facility now three hundred million dollars because it's
(11:17):
in his contract and if they don't build it, he
can leave. But it is interesting. I actually think they
have some really really good line talent. They're just all
red shirting and they're young. But what's happening with us,
he's fascinating. They're not recruiting California. If you go look at.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
The rivals, take rivals for instance, or.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
On three these recruiting sites, and you go to the
top forty players in southern California in this class, I've
got like three guys. It's like Bama, Oregon, Bama, Ohio State, Oregon,
A and M and M Louisville, Alabama. And there is
something about college football. It's very territorial. John, you can lose.
(12:00):
But if you're not in Ohio State, you just have
to take a three star linebacker occasionally because he's an
Ohio kid. You just have to do it. You got
to take the tight end who's a three star. He's
from a big high school program. Locally, there may be
a three star Florida kid, but you're going to have
to do certain things. You know, Ohio is proud of Ohio.
LA is very transient, doesn't really care about that. But
(12:22):
I'm hearing it now from two and three different people,
like he's just not connecting with LA coaches, And it's like,
can you imagine Kirby Smart doing most of his recruiting
in Texas? Like there is something about Lincoln there's this
sense that he's aloof He's not necessarily relatable. He can
be off putting. He you know, he just it's not
(12:47):
just the losing. Once you start losing, people put a
microscope on your program. Now you have losing. He's not
really going. He doesn't wow boosters right, Like that was
the undoing for Chip Kelly. You're not winning and you
don't take care of the donors and boosters. Do you
think today, if USC he could just go, we're starting over.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Well, I think they both want a divorce. Like to me,
Lincoln Fields has always felt, and I've said this to
you from the beginning, regions and where you're from matters
in college football does not matter in the pros, and
in college football just does because recruiting your region, especially
when it's in southern California. When a ton of good
players come from matters well, who could relate Pete Carroll?
(13:33):
Why he's a California guy?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I mean, you look at the best coaches over the
last I don't know, several decades on the West coast,
Jeff Tedford, where's he from California? Chris Peterson, where'd he coach?
Boise State? Washington? Where'd he grow up? California? Went to
UC Davis. Mike Pilatti, where is he from? West coast?
Chip Kelly? There are outliers Urban went to the south.
Chip Kelly, who's the northeast, came to Oregon. But I
(13:57):
think for Kirby Smart, like why does he work in
the seas? I wonder? You know Nick sab in West
Virginia to me, pretty similar. There's a lot of success.
You see it right now with Debor, He's gonna get
a lot of heat. He's not one of theirs. And
I think the USC thing, Colin, they're one and four
in the Big ten. It's to me the Penn State thing.
That's an awful tough loss to take, but it's still
(14:19):
Penn State. They're really good. When you start losing the
Minnesota in Maryland, especially the way the stat I was
gonna read it to you. They've, like you said, they've
held a lead in all in every game they've played
this year, and over the last twenty years, two hundred
teams have had a fourth quarter lead in all of
their first seven games. Only one other team during that
(14:40):
span has had a losing record, So they're like a
statistical anomaly to lose all these games. Yesterday was insane.
I mean they're up twenty eight to fourteen in the
fourth quarter. I mean, how does that it just? And
this gets back to like Sark has way better talent,
but you can't fake being a tough guy in football
when you're not. Like Dan Campbell's a tough guy, the
Hardball Brother tough guys, Tomlin's a tough guy. Rabel's a
(15:03):
tough guy. Belichick could manipulate it, like through mind games
and the type guys he surrounded himself with. I'm not
saying he's gonna win a fistfight, but you'd also say
Belichick's pretty mentally tough, right, I mean, he's not easy
to break. And I just think I look at Lincoln
and I go, I just don't see a tough guy.
And they've gotten into these spots, especially on the road.
These are not You're not going to Oregon State, right
(15:24):
or Arizona State where it's an easy flight. These are
a long hour. How long is the flight to Maryland?
It's a five hour flight? Yeah, right, You going to
Minnesota that's probably four and a half hours. These are
tough travels and they just mentally crumble. And I never
thought one. I thought he was really good coach, so
I understood why they wanted him. LSU wanted him to
They gave one hundred and twenty mins.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Still think he's a very clever schemer and play designer.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But it's just like they need they need a defensive coordinator.
And it's not like he has this long list of guys.
Because the Leech guys think of his the tree that
he comes from, it's kind of a it's not a
tree that produces many tough, physical football teams. That's not
like his ethos as a football guy, right, the Mike Leach,
the way he wants to play, He'd ideally like to
(16:07):
win forty five to thirty eight. That's I mean, that's
how he had a lot of success in Oklahoma with
the Baker teams. They were scoring a ton of points.
But Colin, they're their schedule is not crazy hard. But
you go like seven and five, seven and five, this is.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Year three they had him. They have two playable offensive
tackles in the program.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Him and Brian Kelly got hired the same year, right
year three, And we talked about this when they got
in a little scuffle about him wanting to cancel the game.
He ended up beating them. But what has transpired since
you watch Brian Kelly's team, Like, are is LSU going
to the playoffs? Probably? I mean, they might check their
schedule and they're getting better and better and he's playing
they're both playing nuss Meyer and Miller Moss. It's not
(16:52):
like he's got Jayden Daniels and Kayleb Williams anymore. And
I don't know, man, I think you go back. Let's
just look at those two. Brian Kelly has a long resume.
You could put him anywhere and he'll figure it out.
Lincoln did inherit Oklahoma, which at the time was humming.
I mean, they were a lot like Chip Kelly in Oregon.
It wasn't top two every year, but they were top
(17:13):
eighteen fifteen every year. You just had to take that
next step. That's an easier thing to do than just, hey,
here's a shit sandwich, Nick Saban, what Brian Kelly get me?
Just eleven wins every year? That's really difficult and normally
what urban can do, there's a short list of guys
that can do that. Even though if Lincoln's a really
good coach, I just think he fits more. I don't know,
(17:35):
like some Big twelve team. I just think that's the
way he wants to play. This Big ten has been very,
very difficult on him. And it's way harder travel Like
they're like traveling like NFL teams. Yeah, conference play, you're
flying four hours, five hours. That never happened in the
history of these programs.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Also, he's getting it's late October, he's getting weather breaks.
Minnesota was warm, little windy Maryland weather was good. There's
gonna be years where it's snow like when you go
to the They have one playable running back, like in
a big spot, a guy you would trust with the ball.
They have two playable offensive tackles. We're three years in,
they're nil is thirteen million a year.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
It's not Oregon or Georgia or Texas, but it's in
the Ohio State Room. It's about thirteen. I was telling
somebody this weekend, who's really close. I said, there's three
or four positions you buy in the nil quarterback, left tackle,
edge rusher. You'll find receivers. I mean, they have an
(18:36):
okay quarterback, left tackle, they're playing a freshman. They don't
have an elite edge rusher. It's like Lincoln, don't buy corners.
You know, this is La. People run. You can get backs, corners, receiver,
you can get those guys. You don't pay tight ends
in the transfer portal. You don't pay guards and the
transfer portal. You know they have an offensive and a
(18:57):
defensive lineman from Wyoming and both start. It's like, what
are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I know times are a lot different than you know
the HEYDAFP Carroll, But when I close my eyes and
I think of those rosters, and when I got to
college and they started really taking off the base of
the squad. And this is what you opened up saying,
was all southern California, LA and San Diego. They're best players.
And then because he was such a great recruiter, he'd
go get a Joe McKnight from Louisiana this guy from
(19:26):
New Jersey, he'd nitpick, and I get the recruiting world's changed,
But to me, how do they build momentum in recruiting
if he's not mister pizazz like, so that's not his thing.
Their team's not as good Oregon, Ohio State, I mean
Alabama in Oklahoma and these other programs for years have
been coming into Southern California as USC has kind of
you know, been in the middle ground. Not you see
(19:48):
the numbers that Clay Helton through his first thirty four games,
and Lincoln Riley he has a better record. I just
think this thing is headed toward now. There's so much
money in the line. I don't know why if Lincoln
like why you just give a divorce. But he's got
to be kind of miserable. This can't be a natural
fit living on the beach, like he does not feel
like that guy he did. I think Lane would have
(20:11):
no problem doing it again, like it's yeah, this is
not it does not feel when you look at Lincoln
Riley the comfortability in the colors and the clothes, and
it's obviously not working because one in four in the
Big Ten. It's one thing if you had lost to
Ohio State, Penn State. I mean they are losing too
awful teams like Maryland just should never have won that game.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Ever, Dormy don't have just how many players.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You do you? I mean, do you think that there's
a divorce and in here or no?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I think I think they have he'll. I think Jen
Cohen the ad is gonna She's gonna stay with him,
but it gives her a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm not saying they fire him, but I'm saying, do
you think Lincoln's happy? Like, do you think this is
just like this is this isn't working? So is this
one of these things that does he even want to
do this? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think they're losing close and the team is so
young offensively, I think he can rationalize the losses and
say we bring everybody back except a running back and
a center, and I do think they'll be better next year.
I just think I can assure you Jen Con and
the administration of the Boosters. They didn't think they were
(21:18):
winning a Natty, but this has been.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Didn't think they were going seven and five either.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Five and seven. Just keep your fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
John Middelkoff, former NFL scout three and out to his
podcast Good See Anybody, See You Colin.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
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Speaker 2 (21:38):
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