June 6, 2026 • 40 mins
Dan breaks down the Myles Garrett trade and thinks it’s truly a win/win for both teams. He discusses the rumors and the speculation that Aaron Donald is considering a return to the Rams to play alongside Myles Garrett. And Russell Wilson retires from football for the broadcast booth and Paulie wants to get the Pro Football Hall of Fame push started early for the former quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We knew AJ Brown was going to be traded. We
just didn't know the exact details of what the Eagles
would get in return for him. So now he's in
New England Patriot Miles Garrett getting traded. I don't know
if anybody had that one. It certainly felt like there
was something. But I've been saying for the last year,
a guy who said he wanted out, then you paid
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him to stay, then he restructures his deal. The new
coach comes in, hasn't met with Miles Garrett, and I
kept I even said it to PAULI. I'm like, there's
something there. I don't know what, but something is there.
And then all of a sudden he gets traded. Well,
and I I give the Rams credit. I didn't like
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the ty Simpson. You know you might take him and
that's your future. You know it's the future next year,
but you know what you're all in for. Matthew Stafford
and I still have been all in on a wide receiver,
tight end, skilled position player, because if you're all in
to get Miles Garrett, be all in to get another
weapon here. But then you start to look at the
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numbers here, and this is why the Rams needed to
make this move. They've added to all pro defenders. So
you got Miles Garrett, they got Trent McDuffie from Kansas City.
In the games the Rams lost last season, they gave
up thirty three, twenty six, thirty one, thirty eight, twenty seven,
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thirty one. In two of those games, they gave up
thirty eight to the Seahawks, thirty one to the Seahawks.
Got to buy Penadia America. And if you're going to
bring in Miles Garrett, he is thirty going on thirty one,
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coming off the sack record. You hope that you're going
to get at least two, three, maybe maybe four more
productive years out of him. You do trade Jared Verse,
who is a really good player on a rookie deal,
and I think both teams won. I think it feels
more like the Rams won the bigger picture because they're
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favored to win the Super Bowl. The Browns, you know,
once they move on from Deshaun Watson, then I think
they'll be in pretty good shape. Draft picks, they've done
pretty well, They've made some moves. You just got to
solve that position. But that's a can you solve that
position question that you're not going to answer this year
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unless Deshaun Watson actually plays like somebody who's getting paid
what he's getting paid last year of his deal. And
this might be a situation of Deshaun Watson, can you
play well? If you can't, we'll be drafting a quarterback
probably pretty high next year. All Right, what do you
have for me there? Dylan our one pole question? And
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keep in mind, Jared Verse in two years has twelve
sacks in weeks eight through twelve. Last season, Miles Garrett
had thirteen sacks.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Stall of a day, Stall of a day.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Start outa day, start outa day.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
This is the start of the day. And the Rams
have been trying to get Miles Garrett for a couple
of years. This wasn't just a overnight let's go for him.
They've been trying for quite some time. I thought that
when Miles Garrett wanted out that he was going to
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end up with the Rams. They think that, you know,
when you when you think about the Cleveland Browns, they
had to overpay Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson wasn't going to Cleveland.
They're like, what do you want all of it guaranteed. Okay,
all right, I'll go to Cleveland. Miles Garrett wanted out.
What do you want? I want to be the highest
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paid def player in the game. All right, you got it.
That's the only way they got these big ticket items.
Now you're moving away from that now, and you're gonna
eventually have to pay Jaredverse. But that can be a
good thing if he produces the way you want him to,
you hope. And he's only twenty five. So I like
what Cleveland did. I don't know why you didn't trade
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Miles Garrett the year before when he did one out,
but I wondered if maybe you weren't going to get
the return you thought. But he would have been twenty
nine at the time, now at thirty going on thirty one,
and I think you did pretty well trading him away.
You've got a lot of attention with the sack record.
Nobody is really, you know, tuning in to see a
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Cleveland Browns game unless they're just the curiosity of Shoudoor
Sanders and Miles Garrett. Well, I don't even know if
Shodor is going to be your starter this year, But
for the Cleveland Browns I think they did a pretty
good job yesterday. I'm sure Joe Burrow probably went, wait
he got traded? Where Lamar Jackson? It'd be funny if
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Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson called up each other. Hey,
did you hear the news?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah? I know.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Any feel a lot healthier, a lot healthier? All right, Dylan?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Alrighty Dan, we got a few options. Paully sent this
one over. Who had the best day yesterday? The Browns,
the Rams, Miles Garrett or other perhaps maybe the NFL
at large for usurping all the attention that NHL and
NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, well, okay, the Patriots want AJ Brown and the
Eagles Howie Roseman. Their GM probably thought, all right, well
let you And this is why Howie Roseman is great.
The Eagles traded a first and a third round pick
for AJ Brown back in twenty twenty two. They got
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four one thousand yard seasons, they made two Super Bowls,
they won a Super Bowl. Now you trade a twenty
nine year old AJ Brown to the Patriots for a
first and a fifth round pick, that's pretty good stuff.
There by the Eagles GM, wait, you're gonna give me
four great seasons? Two Super Bowl appearances. We win one
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super Bowl and now I get a first and a
fifth back. That's pretty good as well. So I wouldn't
sleep on what the Eagles did and why AJ Brown
just couldn't coexist with Jalen Hurts. But now he goes
with Drake May. He can be the featured guy. You
don't have to worry about. You know a running back
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Speaker 3 (07:09):
Dylan the Post Miles Garrett Trade. The Rams are winning
at all, winning the NFC winning their division or missing the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Playoffs, well they better win the super Bowl. Yeah, this
is a move you make to win the super Bowl.
And I think anything other than winning the Super Bowl
or getting to the Super Bowl would be a disappointment.
And they're over under now is eleven and a half.
I'm not sure if it was ten and a half before,
but they're one of the favorites. If not, you know,
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the Ravens are up there, the Rams Seattle is going
to be back up there, but the Rams are expected
to be playing for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean of the these are the
top five teams odds wise to win the Super Bowl,
says Rams plus six hundred, Bills plus one thousand plus
one thousand, Seahawks plus eleven hundred and Chiefs plus fifteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Would you take the Rams out of that fivesome?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I probably.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
If I'm trying to get better odds, I might take
Kansas City. I mean, it's a roll of the dice.
With Kelsey coming back, Mahomes availability, what are they going
to do with the wide receiver position. I thought they
did well with their defense. You're in a tough division,
So does Buffalo get it right one of these years, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I mean that's the longest preseason odds the Chiefs
have been probably in a while. But it's also I'm
always I don't want to say a sucker for but
I like when, like a team that's been had a
great run, people view them as they've sort of died
off a little bit, and then everyone forgets about them,
and then all of a sudden they're in the super
Bowl again. You're like, how did we not see that
one coming?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you know, the Bengals might be a team that
I would take a flyer on, but you know, if
everybody stays healthy, you know maybe, But if you're looking
for longer odds instead of just going with the favorites,
I'd probably say that.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
All right, we'll.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
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The Knicks are still getting four and a half against
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We'll dissect the trades that happened yesterday. As soon as
I found out Miles Garrett was traded, I said to Fritzy,
reach out to Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And he goes, Okay, why, I said.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Because the rams are probably saying reach out to Aaron Donald.
We just got Miles Garrett, and I thought, Aaron Donald
post all thesedeos on social media.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
He's working out. What is he? Thirty two, thirty three, yeah, Pauline, I.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Have him just turning thirty five years old? Oh, ten
days ago, okay, basically thirty a young thirty five. He
was benching the other day with dumbbells that were one
hundred and sixty pounds each. He looked like an active
football player.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He was asked about coming back.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is back in April the Not Just Football podcast.
This is April at the NFL Draft.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
Well, even when people are asking all the time, like
you sure you don't want to play, and me like,
to be honest.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
With I have no urge to play football.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
No, that's good. Some kind in back in my head,
I'd be like, I want to out there.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
I think about this and I'm like, nah, man, I'm like,
I was a guy that never wanted to play forever,
but I always said I was gonna do eight years
and be done. I just happened to win a super
Bowl my eighth year. I'm like, man, this is destiny.
And then but this kind of addicted is that, Like
you can't just want to suit ball and walk away.
It's like you want to sperience that again. So I
wasn't fully done. I still had that I want to
disappearance that again. Shawn calls you every year, is like
I must say, the first the first two year, they
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will still be talking. They talk about it, but the
kind of quiet down because you kind of know where
I'm at.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, I'd still reach out. That was April before you
got Miles Garrett. Now all of a sudden, you're not
the focal point. They're not going to be double teaming you.
You might go super Bowl is in Los Angeles, you
still live in LA. Maybe you just say to him,
how about you playing the home game? Yeah, you can
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do a Roger Clemens deal with Houston or was that
the Yankees?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Was it Houston? Marvin?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm just say hey, you want to
we won't even make you go to Australia to start
the season. You can just come play, you know, practice,
go home, play a game, go home. You don't have
to worry about any road trips here, yues Todd.
Speaker 9 (11:49):
But what about the element of like being away all
this time is not getting regular hits. You know, you're
in the gym and you're working out. It's like a
hockey player. I'm still doing drills and skating all around
the ice, but you're not getting checked against.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
The boards or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
It's a very different thing working out than actually playing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Thank you to.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm guessing Aaron Donald would be able to quickly replicate
or get that feeling back when you think about this though,
and I'd make make him a rotation player, letting you know,
come in on third downs, second down, whatever you want
to do. But when you think about certain players at
certain positions, they're hitting getting hit on every single play.
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You know, if you're the center, tackle guard every single play,
nose tackle, defensive tackle, every single play, you get hit.
Wide receivers don't. Quarterbacks don't. Wide receivers don't. Defensive backs
not necessarily on every single play. So maybe Aaron Donald's
like I'm just getting tired of getting hit, even though
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he was the one doing the hitting. But I would
be reaching out to him and or I would I
would say, hey, why don't you stop why Miles Garrett's
gonna have his press conference there? Hey, oh wait, here's
your jersey there, and it's in your locker is still here.
I'd be like, you know, just give it a thought here,
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give it maybe maybe just a little bit. Yeah, Paul,
I think this is a real topic. Aaron Donald retired
quite early. He was generally healthy. Guys like Reggie White
played till their late thirties. Bruce Smith was four time
All Pro after the age of thirty.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
You give him, like you said, you just you practice
a little bit rotation player, pay m two million dollars
per sack and say that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Just playing the home games. Yeah, practice smactice. You're gonna
be hosting the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean I do think also to
there's certain positions that just coming in cold after not playing,
like probably offensive defensive line, because it's like you said,
it's more just there's a physicality and being in shape element,
but like skill positions if you're like a receiver and
you haven't caught balls in a couple of years, like
there might be a bit more of a learning curve
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coming back.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, but these guys are working out year round. But
if you got I mean, Aaron Donald played the position
as well, if not better than anybody else who's played
that position. And there are a lot of great players
who played that right on you know, the nose, right
on the center. And he disrupted people. I always said,
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he disrupts an offense more than any of these edge rushers.
If you said I could have Miles Garrett peak, Aaron
Donald peak, I'm taking Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald goes up
the middle. Now my quarterback is forced to be out
of the pocket. Whether if you're gonna have an edge rusher,
all right, I know he's over here on this side,
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and I can steer the offense. I'm always geared here.
I can double him up over here. Even doubling Aaron Donald,
he would get up the middle. He would disrupt the
offense far more than an edge rusher.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
He retired after the twenty twenty three season. That's not
that long ago, you know, it's not five years, it's
two and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, Serena Williams coming back, Aaron Donald can come back?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yes, doing yeah, And he did say in that clip
we played that he won the super Bowl in his
eighth season and he was like, I thought I'd be done,
but then you win one, You're like, maybe I can
do that again. If you've used this as his best
chance to win a second one, it's not outside the
ram of possibility.
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There were a couple of reports yesterday, including some text
messages Pat McAfee reached out to Aaron Donald of maybe
getting him back. I'd be all in on this. If
I'm the Rams, what do you want? There's no downside
to this. I would say to Aaron Donald, you want
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to play home games? Do you want to play? We're
not going to have you play sixty or seventy plays.
We're going to have you play thirty five, maybe forty plays.
That would be it. We want you ready for the postseason.
And I would just gear up as if you were,
you know, on a minute's restriction with him, a play
restriction with him, have him out there certain situations. And
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if you could have Aaron Donald, even Aaron Donald half
the time, even just home games, I would say, absolutely,
sign me up. Because you got that guy with Miles Garrett.
Now you're ready to go. And a defense that got
roughed up I think five or six times last year
gave up over thirty points, including two games against Seattle.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
All right eight seven to seven three.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
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Wimbenyama hits the worldwide stage tonight. It's one thing when
you have somebody during the regular season, you'll see some highlights,
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you might watch a game or two, but for the
most part, I think most of your NBA fans consume highlights,
not games. Unless it's your team, then you're going to
be watching the totality of a season a game. But
this is different because now you're on the big stage.
It's not just about highlights. This is about watching the
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entire game. And that's fun for me. I like when
you get you're almost forcing people to watch a game
instead of just a clip. Because somebody can watch a
highlight and go, man, you know who's great, and you
go who and then they'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
And you go, did you watch the whole game?
Speaker 8 (18:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I saw a highlight. Well that's how we're consuming sports now.
And sometimes we think something is boy, that was a
great game. I'll go no, no, no, a great finish.
That doesn't mean it's a great game. Like even the
Western Conference finals, it was a battle. Those weren't great games.
I mean the first game overtime and Wemby had an
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unbelievable performance. I didn't think they were great games where
it came down to, you know, diagramming one last shot.
It was oka see when they look great, they won.
When san Antonio looked great, they won. You know, the Knicks,
it was interesting when they face the Hawks when they're
down two to one. After that, it wasn't interesting. I
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mean Cleveland where you're down twenty two and then you
come back, and that was pretty much this year because
I didn't think Cleveland was anywhere near what the Knicks
were as far as talent goes, and they ended up
getting swept. Of course, now you got a battle here.
I expect this to be a battle. I think, now
let's separate the Knick fan from reality here if you
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can do that, and that is I think the Knicks
are a great team. I think they figured out cohesiveness,
they figured out roles. I don't think they're deep, but
I do think that they're really good and san Antonio
is really good as well. And I know we're going
to talk about experience or lack thereof, Well, the Knicks
haven't been here. I know they've been in the NBA
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for a while. They're older players. In fact, san Antonio
is the second youngest team in NBA Finals history. They
average round twenty four years of age. The Portland Trailblazers
in nineteen seventy seven seventy eight were the only team
that were younger than them. I know the experience you
already went through. Okay, see at Okasee in a game seven.
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I think you're gonna be okay. Oh the Garden, okay, Well,
Cassa was played there, he played college games there. Harper
has got NBA pedigree. Wemby's played in the Olympics. I
don't look at that and go, boy, these guys are
going to be uptight. If anything. Once it gets to
the Garden, it feels like the pressure is on the
Knicks because that crowd they you better be good, you
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better be great. We came out, We spent all this
money to watch you play. You better be great, san Antonio.
That's that fan base is not turning on you on
and maybe turning on you is kind of a harsh
description with the Garden. But the Garden does demand great basketball,
and they will want that when this series goes back
to New York. But san Antonio, if you look at
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the history of teams that have come off multiple seven
game series before they get into the finals, they normally
don't do well.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
The Knicks are rested.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I know, maybe you know this is one of those
rest in rust conversations we can have after game one.
But san Antonio might be on just adrenaline alone. You know,
have the edge going into game one because you might say, well,
the Knicks are rested, okay. I think san Antonio is
on that high that they had against Okay. See, and
it wasn't that long ago. It's not like seven days ago.
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Now you're ready to go. We know what it means
to Wemby. These younger players, it doesn't feel like the
moment is too big.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I've seen that before with Cheded Holmgren. The moment was
too big for him, and you could say, well, he
is young. Well, he played in the NBA Finals, He's
played in a couple of game sevens. It shouldn't have
been too big for him. I expect to have a
lot of conversation about just how great Jalen Brunson is
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Wemby the I guess different things that he could do
at both ends of the floor. But I hope that
you get you shine the spotlight that Dylan Harper, Stefan Castle,
dearon Fox, Karl Anthony Towns changing his game. Bridges is
the guy who got you know, traded for five players
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first round picks, Og Andnobi. I think might be the
guy that decides this his ability to be able to
try to cover Wenby if that's possible. So there's a
lot of different storylines here, and I'm excited about it.
I mean, I like the Indiana portion last year just
because Indiana it felt like they were on this historical
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run and maybe they had fate on their side. But okay,
see winning its first championship. So that you're looking for
storylines every year that I covered the NBA Finals, what
is the storyline?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know I was treated to Jordan, So the storyline
was I'm gonna win another one, gonna win another one,
gonna win another one. But we did have Seattle storyline.
We had Charles Barkley storyline, Malone in Stockton storyline. So
you you have that, but you want to have the
best basketball on display. And I think if you were
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going to script this, I think the NBA, now it's
not scripted, I would say that they.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Did a pretty good job. If they could script it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
If you can't get the Lakers in there, having the
Knicks against San Antonio, that would be high on my list.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, this is the best case scenario for
the NBA because Wemby is officially the face of the NBA. Right, Yeah,
this is what they've wanted because you're trying to transition
yourself out of the Lebron and Steph Era or we
need somebody who's musty, TV joker SGA great players, but
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this guy you gotta see him.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, I don't know if there's anybody else on that list,
Like Anthony.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Edwards does not want to be the face of the NBA.
He said it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I think he's a great player. I just think people
don't watch him during the rag gular season. You see
him in the postseason and we all say the same thing. Man,
he kind of reminds me of Jordan, and then it
goes away. John Morant, I don't know if he wants
to be professional Zion same thing. I mean, he got
guys who got in, got paid. I don't know if
they care. Wemby cares like, when's the last time you
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saw somebody? Yes, he did cry after winning the Western
Conference finals. Get over yourself. Nothing wrong with a grown
man crying.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I do it all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
He won the Western Conference Finals, he said, man's he says.
The Larry O'Brien trophy means so much to me. How
many of these kids who are in their twenties even
know that it's the Larry O'Brien trophy that they hand out.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Who's Larry?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah? Wait?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Is this Larry O'Brian bird? What's this trophy for? I
love that, I love what it means. I love how
the garden is gonna just be thumping. It's gonna be great.
Having been in that place for a variety of events.
No NBA Finals, but to be in there for playoff games, hockey,
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college basketball, Big East, I know what it sounds like.
This will be unlike any other event that's been in
there in the last thirty or forty years, even going
back to nineteen ninety nine. I mean, and Wemby wasn't
alive in nineteen ninety even close. Tim Duncan was twenty
two at the time, But I don't think many people
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thought the Knicks had a great chance against that Spurs team.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, the city's going to be rocking.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
The Knicks.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
This is the only time in my lifetime where the
entire city will be behind one team. The only time
that's even been remotely close is the two thousand and
one Yankees, and that was because of nine to eleven.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah, good point, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
The NBA Finals will be broadcast to two hundred and
fifteen countries and sixty languages.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And you don't know what this game will mean on
players who were going to be watching this when they're young.
Because that's where I go back to the Dream Team.
The Dream Team gave us Wemby. The Dream Team gave
us Luca, they gave us Joker, they gave us these
players from around the world, and the NBA is reaping
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the benefits of that. I mean, David Stern, God rest
his soul. He knew what he was doing. He wanted
he wanted global expansion, and the only way you were
going to do that is if you humbled the rest
of the globe. And they did that with the Dream Team,
and those countries realized, can we have a Michael Jordan
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or Charles Berkley or Larry Bird And you see, yes
they can.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Yeah, Pauling, there's this great article from the USA Today
a few years ago about the Dream Team in ninety two,
and Derknovitski says, that's when I got into basketball. I
was good, I was decent, but that's when I said,
this is what I want to do. Tony Parker of
the Spurs said the same exact thing.
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Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, here we go. Paul has been asking for this.
He said, could I have a moment? I said, like,
what's wait, what's going on? No, No, a moment on
the show. I said, Okay, what's the moment? I need
to start the ramp up for five years from now
with Russell Wilson getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
(27:30):
I said, okay, I'll let you be part of the
Let's elect Russell Wilson to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
He announced his retirement yesterday. Now, do I think he's
retired retired? No, he's going to be in New York
working for CBS in the studio. Let's say something happens
with Dak Prescott Jackson Dart maybe you know with the Jets,
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but this is a job. Hold on to it because
you know, I tell you know, when guys get these jobs,
I say, they don't come around that often. You won't
get another chance if you decide that you're gonna go
back into coaching. Like John Gruden, this should have been
his job, you know, for a long long time. But
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if I'm Russell Wilson, I would I would say, you
got a job.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You can stay in this job.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You're a young guy, and you're gonna be with CBS
pregame show as long as CBS has the NFL.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yes, yes, PAULI.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
All right, I have a question for the room. Let's
assume Russell Wilson does not play again. It does not
add to or detract from his Hall of Fame candidacy.
Would it be fair to say that the last two
years he undone, He undid a lot of goodwill, a
lot of traction he had to the Hall of Fame?
Is fair to say?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
So in Pittsburgh he was six and five as a starter,
sixteen touchdowns, five picks. Didn't go great. Last year with
the Giants zero and three as a starter really went poorly.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, But this This started in Denver, right.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
So in Denver. His first year in Denver, he was
four and eleven, sixteen touchdowns, eleven picks.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Not good.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
His second year he was seven and eight as a starter,
twenty six touchdowns and eight picks. But it was not
a great season.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, you had a coach who didn't want him. I mean,
he has great stats. His touchdown to interception ratio is
probably top five all time.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But we forget how great he was. That's how long
ago it's been.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And do I think he's If I take away his
name and I say, here are the stats, he's a
Hall of Famer. Problem is I can't take away his name,
and it feels like he might not be liked. It
might be all the and a boom is the reason
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why you got to two Super Bowls. You threw an
interception that cost your team. I'm just going by what
I think. If I'm going to make an opposite case,
why don't you give it to Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Well it wasn't his call.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But and Russ, to me, was the best player on
the field that night against the Patriots. I thought he
was incredible. But do I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think he's more of a Hall of Famer than
Eli Manning. I think he's more of a Hall of
Famer than Philip Rivers. I think he's more of a
Hall of Famer than Matt Ryan.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Do you think enough people agree with you?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You know, if Matt Ryan wins that Super Bowl against
the Patriots, he's Hall of Famer.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
If Russ beats the Patriots again, definitely a Hall of famer.
But it's tricky where you go. Boy, that one game
or that one pass is the difference between you being
a Hall of Famer not a Hall of Famer. You
went from a sure thing to I don't know.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Yeah, Paul, if David Tyree doesn't hold out to the
ball and they lose and Eli Manning is one and
one in the chef.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Statement, probably not a Hall of Famer. I mean you
have people who don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
I mean he compiled, but he did have two of
the biggest moments and he beat the Patriots. Is that
enough to make you a Hall of Famer? Yes, Marvin. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Eli hasn't gotten to the Hall of Fame yet.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
But he will you think so, yeah he will. Yeah
he's not a first ballan Hall of Famer, or.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
He might not be a Hall of Famer at all.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 10 (31:41):
So those two wins, because I would say Brady is
the most important last name in his candidacy.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, yeah, but then the name Manning is second most important.
Because your brother's already in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
That's to me, that last name has nothing to do
with him, whether or not he gets into the Hall
of Fame or not his brother. I mean, his father's
not in Hall of Fame. It's only Peyton.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But Eli won two super Bowls arts played on a
bad team.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
No, I'm saying, yeah, the two super Bowls, not his
last name. Forget his last name.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
If it's if he's Eli Jones going to the Hall
of Fame because of those two super bowl wings.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yes, Dally, if for us goes to two super Bowls
but he loses both, so he doesn't have that one
super Bowl. Is it even a conversation with his stats
and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I think it's more of a conversation or a debate
about that. Look at his No, he had three hundred
and fifty touchdown passes and one hundred something interceptions. I mean,
that's Aaron Rodgers like that, that touchdown to interception ratio.
I just don't think we looked at Russ as the
reason why Seattle was winning well.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And I wonder too if the Seahawks winning last year
was Sam Darnold, like basically a whole new team. Not
saying it overshadows Russ, but he's not the last guy
to have won in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Yes, Paul Russell had seasons of thirty four touchdowns thirty four,
thirty five, thirty one, forty. Those aren't pedestrian numbers. Those
aren't Troy Aikman, no offense where he was part of
a great team. Here's a couple of stats. How many
quarterbacks in NFL history have at least three hundred touchdown
passes and fewer than one hundred and twenty five interceptions.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
One?
Speaker 7 (33:17):
Two, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. Oh, here's another one.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That was the one. Yeah, he was the other one.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Here's another one. Quarterbacks that have forty thousand plus career
passing yards and eight plus playoff wins. It's a good list.
It's probably ten guys, but it's Brady Breeze, Manning, Farv Rogers,
Big Ben Marino, Eli Lway, Flaco by the Way, Blacko,
Russell Wilson, and Joe Montana. They all feel like Hall
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of famers.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Gues Toun.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
It pains me because of the way things worked out
or didn't work out in Denver, but for Russ specifically,
just because of that one play. I know how much
we get caught up with one Super Bowl win versus
two super Bowl wins, but that one play should be
the difference in someone, you know, being immortalizing the Hall
of Fame. I personally have a problem with that, and
I think he's done enough for the Hall of Fame,
not the first ballot or anything like that. But I
can't take that on him because they decided not to
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hand the ball off. The Marshal Funk to market shows.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
Yes, Marvin, I don't even think it's the past that
got intercepted. I think it's the last four or five
years of his career that undid it. Because if he
kept playing at a Pro Bowl level and he still
had the Super Bowl victory in a Super Bowl loss,
he's going to the Hall of Fame. It's the play
from his last four years that undid his Hall of
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Fame candidacy.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Has anybody else played themselves out of surefire hall of fame?
Can you think in any sport in history where you go, boy,
that guy limped to the finish line. I don't know
if he's a Hall of Famer because he was in
those first eight nine years. You're like, oh, of course,
(34:56):
because he was going to the playoffs, he went to
two souper, he was going to Pro Bowls. I think
he had ten Pro Bowls, Yes, Mart.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
For different reasons obviously, Antonio Brown.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pul like, we don't do this.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
In baseball, Ken Griffy Junior's first ten years were galactic,
his next ten were good. He didn't play himself out
of anything. Albert Poohol's first ten were as good as anything. Ever,
his next ten were good.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, but Russ didn't have ten years that were galactic.
He had ten that were consistently great. Junior had ten
years that were galactic, and then he had ten good years.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Got banged up a lot.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
Yes, Mark, If Russell Wilson has an MVP award, I
don't even think this is a discussion because he would
have just been a pro Bowler and how much stock
did you put into those Pro Bowls? Was he an alternate?
Was he a starter? So that that comes into playoffs.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, if Matt Ryan, who won an MVP, won that
Super Bowl, he's going into the whole of fame. But
I don't I don't think he's viewed as a Hall
of Famer. Yes, dealing.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I also to think with the Malcolm Butler playing the
Super Bowl, I think Pete Carroll takes the brunt of
the blame for that over Russell will like at least
in the court of public opinion, like heay through the pick.
But it's really the play call that people I think.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, but that's not on Pete Carroll. It's Darryl Bevill.
At Daryl Bevill like he's the guy. It's weird, how
Darryl bebble. And then you'll look at Dan Quinn. Dan
Quinn was the head coach of the Falcons. Kyle Shanahan
is the one who's calling those plays. Man with the
Falcons and instead of just you know, running the ball
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up the middle three times, kick a field goal, now
they need two scores. Now you're gonna win a Super Bowl.
So sometimes we blame the wrong guy.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Deal.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
If we're going off of nicknames in terms of Hall
of Fame candidacy, mister Unlimited's pretty good. But he's also
the asterisk and Robot Russell.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Wait wait, those are nicknames according to it to Pro
Football Reference, I was familiar with mister Unlimited and Danger Russ.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I heard Danger Russ, but not mister Unlimited. You never
heard mister Unlimited.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
No, oh right, like mister Worldwide.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah yeah that was he was all missed the unlimited
all the time back and see yeah yeah, oh his
wife is she's mister unlimited.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
She's Miss Unlimited. She's first team Miss Unlimited.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, she's pretty unlimited.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yes, yes, uh, Paul.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Here's one last step. A quarterbacks who have thrown three
hundred plus touchdown passes and run for more than four
thousand yards in their career, how many do you think
there are?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
One?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
One?
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Russell Wilson. Three hundred and fifty three touchdown passes and
fifty six hundred rush years.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
But his rushing yards were never spectacular. They were efficient.
He'd run for like five hundred yards, but never eleven
hundred yards, so it's like he never he led the
league in touchdowns once. He never had fifty, he never
ran for a thousand. It's like, not the Joe Johnson
of the league.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Well, we'll revisit this in five years from now. He's
not gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Yes, Martin, So.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
You're coming back in five years for the Russell will
just for this?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yes, yes, for this.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I think it might be six years or seven years,
probably seven years before now. It will help RUSS guys
who have gone into TV and they stay present. Guys
have benefited from being in the broadcast booth. Dan Dierdorf did,
I thought Dan Fouts did. Like they're they're still omnipresent,
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and it's not like a guy goes away like I've
campaigned for Ricky Waters for years. I thought he was
that first running back wide receiver and he played with
the Niners. I thought he was a great player. You know,
Roger Craig got in. I'm happy for that. But you know,
there's certain guys where they're not doing anything. They're not
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they're on Monday night football or a Sunday afternoon and
I do think that that helps out.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
How about yes, Marvin, do.
Speaker 10 (39:06):
You think the nickname Lesion of Boom hurts his Hall
of Fame candidacy because you had such an iconic defense
that was leading to charge.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I would say that's part of the equation. It's like
the Doomsday defense, Purple eat Purple, people eaters, the Steel Kurt,
Like those defenses were so recognizable, fears some forsome that
it does take away from the other side of the ball. Yeah, Dyl, Yeah,
(39:33):
but he.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Was great too. It's not like a Ravens Trent dilfer
A situation whereas like the defense literally had to win
them the game. Of course they did, but like there
were no slouch on offense either.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, but Marshawn Lynch was more famous than Russell Wilson,
That's true. So you had Legion of Boom, then he
had Marshawn, and then you had all this third round
draft pick out of Wisconsin and he seems like he's
pretty good, Yes, Marv.
Speaker 10 (39:58):
Another thing that hurts him is when they won the
Super Bowl, he was not Super Bowl MVP. It was
somebody on the defense.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
True.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yes, still alright, better nicknamed Beast Mode, Mister Unlimited or
Legion of Boom. That's pretty good trifecta. You got on
the same team.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I would say beast Mode bas Mode yeah, because he
ran like that. Legion of Boom is pretty good. Yeah,
mister Unlimited is not no no that that that sounds
like a social media influencer. Well kind of like there's
a mister Beast. Yeah, mister Unlimited, mister Unlimited,
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We knew AJ Brown was going to be traded. We
just didn't know the exact details of what the Eagles
would get in return for him. So now he's in
New England Patriot Miles Garrett getting traded. I don't know
if anybody had that one. It certainly felt like there
was something. But I've been saying for the last year,
a guy who said he wanted out, then you paid
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him to stay, then he restructures his deal. The new
coach comes in, hasn't met with Miles Garrett, and I
kept I even said it to PAULI. I'm like, there's
something there. I don't know what, but something is there.
And then all of a sudden he gets traded. Well,
and I I give the Rams credit. I didn't like
(00:48):
the ty Simpson. You know you might take him and
that's your future. You know it's the future next year,
but you know what you're all in for. Matthew Stafford
and I still have been all in on a wide receiver,
tight end, skilled position player, because if you're all in
to get Miles Garrett, be all in to get another
weapon here. But then you start to look at the
(01:10):
numbers here, and this is why the Rams needed to
make this move. They've added to all pro defenders. So
you got Miles Garrett, they got Trent McDuffie from Kansas City.
In the games the Rams lost last season, they gave
up thirty three, twenty six, thirty one, thirty eight, twenty seven,
(01:31):
thirty one. In two of those games, they gave up
thirty eight to the Seahawks, thirty one to the Seahawks.
Got to buy Penadia America. And if you're going to
bring in Miles Garrett, he is thirty going on thirty one,
(01:54):
coming off the sack record. You hope that you're going
to get at least two, three, maybe maybe four more
productive years out of him. You do trade Jared Verse,
who is a really good player on a rookie deal,
and I think both teams won. I think it feels
more like the Rams won the bigger picture because they're
(02:16):
favored to win the Super Bowl. The Browns, you know,
once they move on from Deshaun Watson, then I think
they'll be in pretty good shape. Draft picks, they've done
pretty well, They've made some moves. You just got to
solve that position. But that's a can you solve that
position question that you're not going to answer this year
(02:37):
unless Deshaun Watson actually plays like somebody who's getting paid
what he's getting paid last year of his deal. And
this might be a situation of Deshaun Watson, can you
play well? If you can't, we'll be drafting a quarterback
probably pretty high next year. All Right, what do you
have for me there? Dylan our one pole question? And
(02:57):
keep in mind, Jared Verse in two years has twelve
sacks in weeks eight through twelve. Last season, Miles Garrett
had thirteen sacks.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Stall of a day, Stall of a day.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Start outa day, start outa day.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
This is the start of the day. And the Rams
have been trying to get Miles Garrett for a couple
of years. This wasn't just a overnight let's go for him.
They've been trying for quite some time. I thought that
when Miles Garrett wanted out that he was going to
(03:39):
end up with the Rams. They think that, you know,
when you when you think about the Cleveland Browns, they
had to overpay Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson wasn't going to Cleveland.
They're like, what do you want all of it guaranteed. Okay,
all right, I'll go to Cleveland. Miles Garrett wanted out.
What do you want? I want to be the highest
(03:59):
paid def player in the game. All right, you got it.
That's the only way they got these big ticket items.
Now you're moving away from that now, and you're gonna
eventually have to pay Jaredverse. But that can be a
good thing if he produces the way you want him to,
you hope. And he's only twenty five. So I like
what Cleveland did. I don't know why you didn't trade
(04:21):
Miles Garrett the year before when he did one out,
but I wondered if maybe you weren't going to get
the return you thought. But he would have been twenty
nine at the time, now at thirty going on thirty one,
and I think you did pretty well trading him away.
You've got a lot of attention with the sack record.
Nobody is really, you know, tuning in to see a
(04:43):
Cleveland Browns game unless they're just the curiosity of Shoudoor
Sanders and Miles Garrett. Well, I don't even know if
Shodor is going to be your starter this year, But
for the Cleveland Browns I think they did a pretty
good job yesterday. I'm sure Joe Burrow probably went, wait
he got traded? Where Lamar Jackson? It'd be funny if
(05:07):
Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson called up each other. Hey,
did you hear the news?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah? I know.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Any feel a lot healthier, a lot healthier? All right, Dylan?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Alrighty Dan, we got a few options. Paully sent this
one over. Who had the best day yesterday? The Browns,
the Rams, Miles Garrett or other perhaps maybe the NFL
at large for usurping all the attention that NHL and
NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, well, okay, the Patriots want AJ Brown and the
Eagles Howie Roseman. Their GM probably thought, all right, well
let you And this is why Howie Roseman is great.
The Eagles traded a first and a third round pick
for AJ Brown back in twenty twenty two. They got
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four one thousand yard seasons, they made two Super Bowls,
they won a Super Bowl. Now you trade a twenty
nine year old AJ Brown to the Patriots for a
first and a fifth round pick, that's pretty good stuff.
There by the Eagles GM, wait, you're gonna give me
four great seasons? Two Super Bowl appearances. We win one
(06:11):
super Bowl and now I get a first and a
fifth back. That's pretty good as well. So I wouldn't
sleep on what the Eagles did and why AJ Brown
just couldn't coexist with Jalen Hurts. But now he goes
with Drake May. He can be the featured guy. You
don't have to worry about. You know a running back
(06:32):
who wants to get fifteen to eighteen hundred yards. DeVante
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Speaker 3 (07:09):
Dylan the Post Miles Garrett Trade. The Rams are winning
at all, winning the NFC winning their division or missing the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Playoffs, well they better win the super Bowl. Yeah, this
is a move you make to win the super Bowl.
And I think anything other than winning the Super Bowl
or getting to the Super Bowl would be a disappointment.
And they're over under now is eleven and a half.
I'm not sure if it was ten and a half before,
but they're one of the favorites. If not, you know,
(07:40):
the Ravens are up there, the Rams Seattle is going
to be back up there, but the Rams are expected
to be playing for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean of the these are the
top five teams odds wise to win the Super Bowl,
says Rams plus six hundred, Bills plus one thousand plus
one thousand, Seahawks plus eleven hundred and Chiefs plus fifteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Would you take the Rams out of that fivesome?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I probably.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
If I'm trying to get better odds, I might take
Kansas City. I mean, it's a roll of the dice.
With Kelsey coming back, Mahomes availability, what are they going
to do with the wide receiver position. I thought they
did well with their defense. You're in a tough division,
So does Buffalo get it right one of these years, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I mean that's the longest preseason odds the Chiefs
have been probably in a while. But it's also I'm
always I don't want to say a sucker for but
I like when, like a team that's been had a
great run, people view them as they've sort of died
off a little bit, and then everyone forgets about them,
and then all of a sudden they're in the super
Bowl again. You're like, how did we not see that
one coming?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you know, the Bengals might be a team that
I would take a flyer on, but you know, if
everybody stays healthy, you know maybe, But if you're looking
for longer odds instead of just going with the favorites,
I'd probably say that.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
All right, we'll.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Settle on our poll question eight seven to seven to
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The Knicks are still getting four and a half against
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are a slight favorite with that as well. We'll talk
some basketball with Jim Jackson and Lewis Riddick and the Mothership.
(09:37):
We'll dissect the trades that happened yesterday. As soon as
I found out Miles Garrett was traded, I said to Fritzy,
reach out to Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And he goes, Okay, why, I said.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Because the rams are probably saying reach out to Aaron Donald.
We just got Miles Garrett, and I thought, Aaron Donald
post all thesedeos on social media.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
He's working out. What is he? Thirty two, thirty three, yeah, Pauline, I.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Have him just turning thirty five years old? Oh, ten
days ago, okay, basically thirty a young thirty five. He
was benching the other day with dumbbells that were one
hundred and sixty pounds each. He looked like an active
football player.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He was asked about coming back.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is back in April the Not Just Football podcast.
This is April at the NFL Draft.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
Well, even when people are asking all the time, like
you sure you don't want to play, and me like,
to be honest.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
With I have no urge to play football.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
No, that's good. Some kind in back in my head,
I'd be like, I want to out there.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
I think about this and I'm like, nah, man, I'm like,
I was a guy that never wanted to play forever,
but I always said I was gonna do eight years
and be done. I just happened to win a super
Bowl my eighth year. I'm like, man, this is destiny.
And then but this kind of addicted is that, Like
you can't just want to suit ball and walk away.
It's like you want to sperience that again. So I
wasn't fully done. I still had that I want to
disappearance that again. Shawn calls you every year, is like
I must say, the first the first two year, they
(11:03):
will still be talking. They talk about it, but the
kind of quiet down because you kind of know where
I'm at.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, I'd still reach out. That was April before you
got Miles Garrett. Now all of a sudden, you're not
the focal point. They're not going to be double teaming you.
You might go super Bowl is in Los Angeles, you
still live in LA. Maybe you just say to him,
how about you playing the home game? Yeah, you can
(11:30):
do a Roger Clemens deal with Houston or was that
the Yankees?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Was it Houston? Marvin?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm just say hey, you want to
we won't even make you go to Australia to start
the season. You can just come play, you know, practice,
go home, play a game, go home. You don't have
to worry about any road trips here, yues Todd.
Speaker 9 (11:49):
But what about the element of like being away all
this time is not getting regular hits. You know, you're
in the gym and you're working out. It's like a
hockey player. I'm still doing drills and skating all around
the ice, but you're not getting checked against.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
The boards or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
It's a very different thing working out than actually playing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Thank you to.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm guessing Aaron Donald would be able to quickly replicate
or get that feeling back when you think about this though,
and I'd make make him a rotation player, letting you know,
come in on third downs, second down, whatever you want
to do. But when you think about certain players at
certain positions, they're hitting getting hit on every single play.
(12:31):
You know, if you're the center, tackle guard every single play,
nose tackle, defensive tackle, every single play, you get hit.
Wide receivers don't. Quarterbacks don't. Wide receivers don't. Defensive backs
not necessarily on every single play. So maybe Aaron Donald's
like I'm just getting tired of getting hit, even though
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he was the one doing the hitting. But I would
be reaching out to him and or I would I
would say, hey, why don't you stop why Miles Garrett's
gonna have his press conference there? Hey, oh wait, here's
your jersey there, and it's in your locker is still here.
I'd be like, you know, just give it a thought here,
(13:16):
give it maybe maybe just a little bit. Yeah, Paul,
I think this is a real topic. Aaron Donald retired
quite early. He was generally healthy. Guys like Reggie White
played till their late thirties. Bruce Smith was four time
All Pro after the age of thirty.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
You give him, like you said, you just you practice
a little bit rotation player, pay m two million dollars
per sack and say that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Just playing the home games. Yeah, practice smactice. You're gonna
be hosting the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean I do think also to
there's certain positions that just coming in cold after not playing,
like probably offensive defensive line, because it's like you said,
it's more just there's a physicality and being in shape element,
but like skill positions if you're like a receiver and
you haven't caught balls in a couple of years, like
there might be a bit more of a learning curve
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coming back.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, but these guys are working out year round. But
if you got I mean, Aaron Donald played the position
as well, if not better than anybody else who's played
that position. And there are a lot of great players
who played that right on you know, the nose, right
on the center. And he disrupted people. I always said,
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he disrupts an offense more than any of these edge rushers.
If you said I could have Miles Garrett peak, Aaron
Donald peak, I'm taking Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald goes up
the middle. Now my quarterback is forced to be out
of the pocket. Whether if you're gonna have an edge rusher,
all right, I know he's over here on this side,
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and I can steer the offense. I'm always geared here.
I can double him up over here. Even doubling Aaron Donald,
he would get up the middle. He would disrupt the
offense far more than an edge rusher.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
He retired after the twenty twenty three season. That's not
that long ago, you know, it's not five years, it's
two and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, Serena Williams coming back, Aaron Donald can come back?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yes, doing yeah, And he did say in that clip
we played that he won the super Bowl in his
eighth season and he was like, I thought I'd be done,
but then you win one, You're like, maybe I can
do that again. If you've used this as his best
chance to win a second one, it's not outside the
ram of possibility.
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There were a couple of reports yesterday, including some text
messages Pat McAfee reached out to Aaron Donald of maybe
getting him back. I'd be all in on this. If
I'm the Rams, what do you want? There's no downside
to this. I would say to Aaron Donald, you want
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to play home games? Do you want to play? We're
not going to have you play sixty or seventy plays.
We're going to have you play thirty five, maybe forty plays.
That would be it. We want you ready for the postseason.
And I would just gear up as if you were,
you know, on a minute's restriction with him, a play
restriction with him, have him out there certain situations. And
(16:51):
if you could have Aaron Donald, even Aaron Donald half
the time, even just home games, I would say, absolutely,
sign me up. Because you got that guy with Miles Garrett.
Now you're ready to go. And a defense that got
roughed up I think five or six times last year
gave up over thirty points, including two games against Seattle.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
All right eight seven to seven three.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
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Wimbenyama hits the worldwide stage tonight. It's one thing when
you have somebody during the regular season, you'll see some highlights,
(17:37):
you might watch a game or two, but for the
most part, I think most of your NBA fans consume highlights,
not games. Unless it's your team, then you're going to
be watching the totality of a season a game. But
this is different because now you're on the big stage.
It's not just about highlights. This is about watching the
(17:58):
entire game. And that's fun for me. I like when
you get you're almost forcing people to watch a game
instead of just a clip. Because somebody can watch a
highlight and go, man, you know who's great, and you
go who and then they'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
And you go, did you watch the whole game?
Speaker 8 (18:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I saw a highlight. Well that's how we're consuming sports now.
And sometimes we think something is boy, that was a
great game. I'll go no, no, no, a great finish.
That doesn't mean it's a great game. Like even the
Western Conference finals, it was a battle. Those weren't great games.
I mean the first game overtime and Wemby had an
(18:34):
unbelievable performance. I didn't think they were great games where
it came down to, you know, diagramming one last shot.
It was oka see when they look great, they won.
When san Antonio looked great, they won. You know, the Knicks,
it was interesting when they face the Hawks when they're
down two to one. After that, it wasn't interesting. I
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mean Cleveland where you're down twenty two and then you
come back, and that was pretty much this year because
I didn't think Cleveland was anywhere near what the Knicks
were as far as talent goes, and they ended up
getting swept. Of course, now you got a battle here.
I expect this to be a battle. I think, now
let's separate the Knick fan from reality here if you
(19:17):
can do that, and that is I think the Knicks
are a great team. I think they figured out cohesiveness,
they figured out roles. I don't think they're deep, but
I do think that they're really good and san Antonio
is really good as well. And I know we're going
to talk about experience or lack thereof, Well, the Knicks
haven't been here. I know they've been in the NBA
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for a while. They're older players. In fact, san Antonio
is the second youngest team in NBA Finals history. They
average round twenty four years of age. The Portland Trailblazers
in nineteen seventy seven seventy eight were the only team
that were younger than them. I know the experience you
already went through. Okay, see at Okasee in a game seven.
(20:02):
I think you're gonna be okay. Oh the Garden, okay, Well,
Cassa was played there, he played college games there. Harper
has got NBA pedigree. Wemby's played in the Olympics. I
don't look at that and go, boy, these guys are
going to be uptight. If anything. Once it gets to
the Garden, it feels like the pressure is on the
Knicks because that crowd they you better be good, you
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better be great. We came out, We spent all this
money to watch you play. You better be great, san Antonio.
That's that fan base is not turning on you on
and maybe turning on you is kind of a harsh
description with the Garden. But the Garden does demand great basketball,
and they will want that when this series goes back
to New York. But san Antonio, if you look at
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the history of teams that have come off multiple seven
game series before they get into the finals, they normally
don't do well.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
The Knicks are rested.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I know, maybe you know this is one of those
rest in rust conversations we can have after game one.
But san Antonio might be on just adrenaline alone. You know,
have the edge going into game one because you might say, well,
the Knicks are rested, okay. I think san Antonio is
on that high that they had against Okay. See, and
it wasn't that long ago. It's not like seven days ago.
(21:22):
Now you're ready to go. We know what it means
to Wemby. These younger players, it doesn't feel like the
moment is too big.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I've seen that before with Cheded Holmgren. The moment was
too big for him, and you could say, well, he
is young. Well, he played in the NBA Finals, He's
played in a couple of game sevens. It shouldn't have
been too big for him. I expect to have a
lot of conversation about just how great Jalen Brunson is
(21:50):
Wemby the I guess different things that he could do
at both ends of the floor. But I hope that
you get you shine the spotlight that Dylan Harper, Stefan Castle,
dearon Fox, Karl Anthony Towns changing his game. Bridges is
the guy who got you know, traded for five players
(22:10):
first round picks, Og Andnobi. I think might be the
guy that decides this his ability to be able to
try to cover Wenby if that's possible. So there's a
lot of different storylines here, and I'm excited about it.
I mean, I like the Indiana portion last year just
because Indiana it felt like they were on this historical
(22:33):
run and maybe they had fate on their side. But okay,
see winning its first championship. So that you're looking for
storylines every year that I covered the NBA Finals, what
is the storyline?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know I was treated to Jordan, So the storyline
was I'm gonna win another one, gonna win another one,
gonna win another one. But we did have Seattle storyline.
We had Charles Barkley storyline, Malone in Stockton storyline. So
you you have that, but you want to have the
best basketball on display. And I think if you were
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going to script this, I think the NBA, now it's
not scripted, I would say that they.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Did a pretty good job. If they could script it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
If you can't get the Lakers in there, having the
Knicks against San Antonio, that would be high on my list.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, this is the best case scenario for
the NBA because Wemby is officially the face of the NBA. Right, Yeah,
this is what they've wanted because you're trying to transition
yourself out of the Lebron and Steph Era or we
need somebody who's musty, TV joker SGA great players, but
(23:47):
this guy you gotta see him.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, I don't know if there's anybody else on that list,
Like Anthony.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Edwards does not want to be the face of the NBA.
He said it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I think he's a great player. I just think people
don't watch him during the rag gular season. You see
him in the postseason and we all say the same thing. Man,
he kind of reminds me of Jordan, and then it
goes away. John Morant, I don't know if he wants
to be professional Zion same thing. I mean, he got
guys who got in, got paid. I don't know if
they care. Wemby cares like, when's the last time you
(24:19):
saw somebody? Yes, he did cry after winning the Western
Conference finals. Get over yourself. Nothing wrong with a grown
man crying.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I do it all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
He won the Western Conference Finals, he said, man's he says.
The Larry O'Brien trophy means so much to me. How
many of these kids who are in their twenties even
know that it's the Larry O'Brien trophy that they hand out.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Who's Larry?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah? Wait?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Is this Larry O'Brian bird? What's this trophy for? I
love that, I love what it means. I love how
the garden is gonna just be thumping. It's gonna be great.
Having been in that place for a variety of events.
No NBA Finals, but to be in there for playoff games, hockey,
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college basketball, Big East, I know what it sounds like.
This will be unlike any other event that's been in
there in the last thirty or forty years, even going
back to nineteen ninety nine. I mean, and Wemby wasn't
alive in nineteen ninety even close. Tim Duncan was twenty
two at the time, But I don't think many people
(25:30):
thought the Knicks had a great chance against that Spurs team.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, the city's going to be rocking.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
The Knicks.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
This is the only time in my lifetime where the
entire city will be behind one team. The only time
that's even been remotely close is the two thousand and
one Yankees, and that was because of nine to eleven.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah, good point, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
The NBA Finals will be broadcast to two hundred and
fifteen countries and sixty languages.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And you don't know what this game will mean on
players who were going to be watching this when they're young.
Because that's where I go back to the Dream Team.
The Dream Team gave us Wemby. The Dream Team gave
us Luca, they gave us Joker, they gave us these
players from around the world, and the NBA is reaping
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the benefits of that. I mean, David Stern, God rest
his soul. He knew what he was doing. He wanted
he wanted global expansion, and the only way you were
going to do that is if you humbled the rest
of the globe. And they did that with the Dream Team,
and those countries realized, can we have a Michael Jordan
(26:38):
or Charles Berkley or Larry Bird And you see, yes
they can.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Yeah, Pauling, there's this great article from the USA Today
a few years ago about the Dream Team in ninety two,
and Derknovitski says, that's when I got into basketball. I
was good, I was decent, but that's when I said,
this is what I want to do. Tony Parker of
the Spurs said the same exact thing.
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Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, here we go. Paul has been asking for this.
He said, could I have a moment? I said, like,
what's wait, what's going on? No, No, a moment on
the show. I said, Okay, what's the moment? I need
to start the ramp up for five years from now
with Russell Wilson getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
(27:30):
I said, okay, I'll let you be part of the
Let's elect Russell Wilson to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
He announced his retirement yesterday. Now, do I think he's
retired retired? No, he's going to be in New York
working for CBS in the studio. Let's say something happens
with Dak Prescott Jackson Dart maybe you know with the Jets,
(28:02):
but this is a job. Hold on to it because
you know, I tell you know, when guys get these jobs,
I say, they don't come around that often. You won't
get another chance if you decide that you're gonna go
back into coaching. Like John Gruden, this should have been
his job, you know, for a long long time. But
(28:25):
if I'm Russell Wilson, I would I would say, you
got a job.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You can stay in this job.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You're a young guy, and you're gonna be with CBS
pregame show as long as CBS has the NFL.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yes, yes, PAULI.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
All right, I have a question for the room. Let's
assume Russell Wilson does not play again. It does not
add to or detract from his Hall of Fame candidacy.
Would it be fair to say that the last two
years he undone, He undid a lot of goodwill, a
lot of traction he had to the Hall of Fame?
Is fair to say?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
So in Pittsburgh he was six and five as a starter,
sixteen touchdowns, five picks. Didn't go great. Last year with
the Giants zero and three as a starter really went poorly.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, But this This started in Denver, right.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
So in Denver. His first year in Denver, he was
four and eleven, sixteen touchdowns, eleven picks.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Not good.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
His second year he was seven and eight as a starter,
twenty six touchdowns and eight picks. But it was not
a great season.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, you had a coach who didn't want him. I mean,
he has great stats. His touchdown to interception ratio is
probably top five all time.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But we forget how great he was. That's how long
ago it's been.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And do I think he's If I take away his
name and I say, here are the stats, he's a
Hall of Famer. Problem is I can't take away his name,
and it feels like he might not be liked. It
might be all the and a boom is the reason
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why you got to two Super Bowls. You threw an
interception that cost your team. I'm just going by what
I think. If I'm going to make an opposite case,
why don't you give it to Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Well it wasn't his call.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But and Russ, to me, was the best player on
the field that night against the Patriots. I thought he
was incredible. But do I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think he's more of a Hall of Famer than
Eli Manning. I think he's more of a Hall of
Famer than Philip Rivers. I think he's more of a
Hall of Famer than Matt Ryan.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Do you think enough people agree with you?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You know, if Matt Ryan wins that Super Bowl against
the Patriots, he's Hall of Famer.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
If Russ beats the Patriots again, definitely a Hall of famer.
But it's tricky where you go. Boy, that one game
or that one pass is the difference between you being
a Hall of Famer not a Hall of Famer. You
went from a sure thing to I don't know.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
Yeah, Paul, if David Tyree doesn't hold out to the
ball and they lose and Eli Manning is one and
one in the chef.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Statement, probably not a Hall of Famer. I mean you
have people who don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
I mean he compiled, but he did have two of
the biggest moments and he beat the Patriots. Is that
enough to make you a Hall of Famer? Yes, Marvin. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Eli hasn't gotten to the Hall of Fame yet.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
But he will you think so, yeah he will. Yeah
he's not a first ballan Hall of Famer, or.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
He might not be a Hall of Famer at all.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 10 (31:41):
So those two wins, because I would say Brady is
the most important last name in his candidacy.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, yeah, but then the name Manning is second most important.
Because your brother's already in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
That's to me, that last name has nothing to do
with him, whether or not he gets into the Hall
of Fame or not his brother. I mean, his father's
not in Hall of Fame. It's only Peyton.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But Eli won two super Bowls arts played on a
bad team.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
No, I'm saying, yeah, the two super Bowls, not his
last name. Forget his last name.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
If it's if he's Eli Jones going to the Hall
of Fame because of those two super bowl wings.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yes, Dally, if for us goes to two super Bowls
but he loses both, so he doesn't have that one
super Bowl. Is it even a conversation with his stats
and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I think it's more of a conversation or a debate
about that. Look at his No, he had three hundred
and fifty touchdown passes and one hundred something interceptions. I mean,
that's Aaron Rodgers like that, that touchdown to interception ratio.
I just don't think we looked at Russ as the
reason why Seattle was winning well.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And I wonder too if the Seahawks winning last year
was Sam Darnold, like basically a whole new team. Not
saying it overshadows Russ, but he's not the last guy
to have won in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Yes, Paul Russell had seasons of thirty four touchdowns thirty four,
thirty five, thirty one, forty. Those aren't pedestrian numbers. Those
aren't Troy Aikman, no offense where he was part of
a great team. Here's a couple of stats. How many
quarterbacks in NFL history have at least three hundred touchdown
passes and fewer than one hundred and twenty five interceptions.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
One?
Speaker 7 (33:17):
Two, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. Oh, here's another one.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That was the one. Yeah, he was the other one.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Here's another one. Quarterbacks that have forty thousand plus career
passing yards and eight plus playoff wins. It's a good list.
It's probably ten guys, but it's Brady Breeze, Manning, Farv Rogers,
Big Ben Marino, Eli Lway, Flaco by the Way, Blacko,
Russell Wilson, and Joe Montana. They all feel like Hall
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of famers.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Gues Toun.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
It pains me because of the way things worked out
or didn't work out in Denver, but for Russ specifically,
just because of that one play. I know how much
we get caught up with one Super Bowl win versus
two super Bowl wins, but that one play should be
the difference in someone, you know, being immortalizing the Hall
of Fame. I personally have a problem with that, and
I think he's done enough for the Hall of Fame,
not the first ballot or anything like that. But I
can't take that on him because they decided not to
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hand the ball off. The Marshal Funk to market shows.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
Yes, Marvin, I don't even think it's the past that
got intercepted. I think it's the last four or five
years of his career that undid it. Because if he
kept playing at a Pro Bowl level and he still
had the Super Bowl victory in a Super Bowl loss,
he's going to the Hall of Fame. It's the play
from his last four years that undid his Hall of
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Fame candidacy.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Has anybody else played themselves out of surefire hall of fame?
Can you think in any sport in history where you go, boy,
that guy limped to the finish line. I don't know
if he's a Hall of Famer because he was in
those first eight nine years. You're like, oh, of course,
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because he was going to the playoffs, he went to
two souper, he was going to Pro Bowls. I think
he had ten Pro Bowls, Yes, Mart.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
For different reasons obviously, Antonio Brown.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pul like, we don't do this.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
In baseball, Ken Griffy Junior's first ten years were galactic,
his next ten were good. He didn't play himself out
of anything. Albert Poohol's first ten were as good as anything. Ever,
his next ten were good.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, but Russ didn't have ten years that were galactic.
He had ten that were consistently great. Junior had ten
years that were galactic, and then he had ten good years.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Got banged up a lot.
Speaker 10 (35:42):
Yes, Mark, If Russell Wilson has an MVP award, I
don't even think this is a discussion because he would
have just been a pro Bowler and how much stock
did you put into those Pro Bowls? Was he an alternate?
Was he a starter? So that that comes into playoffs.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, if Matt Ryan, who won an MVP, won that
Super Bowl, he's going into the whole of fame. But
I don't I don't think he's viewed as a Hall
of Famer. Yes, dealing.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I also to think with the Malcolm Butler playing the
Super Bowl, I think Pete Carroll takes the brunt of
the blame for that over Russell will like at least
in the court of public opinion, like heay through the pick.
But it's really the play call that people I think.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, but that's not on Pete Carroll. It's Darryl Bevill.
At Daryl Bevill like he's the guy. It's weird, how
Darryl bebble. And then you'll look at Dan Quinn. Dan
Quinn was the head coach of the Falcons. Kyle Shanahan
is the one who's calling those plays. Man with the
Falcons and instead of just you know, running the ball
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up the middle three times, kick a field goal, now
they need two scores. Now you're gonna win a Super Bowl.
So sometimes we blame the wrong guy.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Deal.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
If we're going off of nicknames in terms of Hall
of Fame candidacy, mister Unlimited's pretty good. But he's also
the asterisk and Robot Russell.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Wait wait, those are nicknames according to it to Pro
Football Reference, I was familiar with mister Unlimited and Danger Russ.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I heard Danger Russ, but not mister Unlimited. You never
heard mister Unlimited.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
No, oh right, like mister Worldwide.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah yeah that was he was all missed the unlimited
all the time back and see yeah yeah, oh his
wife is she's mister unlimited.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
She's Miss Unlimited. She's first team Miss Unlimited.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, she's pretty unlimited.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yes, yes, uh, Paul.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Here's one last step. A quarterbacks who have thrown three
hundred plus touchdown passes and run for more than four
thousand yards in their career, how many do you think
there are?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
One?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
One?
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Russell Wilson. Three hundred and fifty three touchdown passes and
fifty six hundred rush years.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
But his rushing yards were never spectacular. They were efficient.
He'd run for like five hundred yards, but never eleven
hundred yards, so it's like he never he led the
league in touchdowns once. He never had fifty, he never
ran for a thousand. It's like, not the Joe Johnson
of the league.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Well, we'll revisit this in five years from now. He's
not gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Yes, Martin, So.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
You're coming back in five years for the Russell will
just for this?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yes, yes, for this.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I think it might be six years or seven years,
probably seven years before now. It will help RUSS guys
who have gone into TV and they stay present. Guys
have benefited from being in the broadcast booth. Dan Dierdorf did,
I thought Dan Fouts did. Like they're they're still omnipresent,
(38:38):
and it's not like a guy goes away like I've
campaigned for Ricky Waters for years. I thought he was
that first running back wide receiver and he played with
the Niners. I thought he was a great player. You know,
Roger Craig got in. I'm happy for that. But you know,
there's certain guys where they're not doing anything. They're not
(38:59):
they're on Monday night football or a Sunday afternoon and
I do think that that helps out.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
How about yes, Marvin, do.
Speaker 10 (39:06):
You think the nickname Lesion of Boom hurts his Hall
of Fame candidacy because you had such an iconic defense
that was leading to charge.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I would say that's part of the equation. It's like
the Doomsday defense, Purple eat Purple, people eaters, the Steel Kurt,
Like those defenses were so recognizable, fears some forsome that
it does take away from the other side of the ball. Yeah, Dyl, Yeah,
(39:33):
but he.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Was great too. It's not like a Ravens Trent dilfer
A situation whereas like the defense literally had to win
them the game. Of course they did, but like there
were no slouch on offense either.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, but Marshawn Lynch was more famous than Russell Wilson,
That's true. So you had Legion of Boom, then he
had Marshawn, and then you had all this third round
draft pick out of Wisconsin and he seems like he's
pretty good, Yes, Marv.
Speaker 10 (39:58):
Another thing that hurts him is when they won the
Super Bowl, he was not Super Bowl MVP. It was
somebody on the defense.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
True.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yes, still alright, better nicknamed Beast Mode, Mister Unlimited or
Legion of Boom. That's pretty good trifecta. You got on
the same team.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I would say beast Mode bas Mode yeah, because he
ran like that. Legion of Boom is pretty good. Yeah,
mister Unlimited is not no no that that that sounds
like a social media influencer. Well kind of like there's
a mister Beast. Yeah, mister Unlimited, mister Unlimited,
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