August 8, 2026 • 34 mins
New Pro Football Hall of Famer, Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald drops by to talk with Dan about his upcoming induction and talk a little bit about his extraordinary career. Dan talks to Shohei Ohtani’s interpreter Ippei Mizuhara’s bookie, Matt Bowyer about what really went on during the gambling scandal that ultimately had both men spending time in jail. And Pro Football Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk reports in from the golf course and keeps his handicap secret, talks about the resurgence of the RB position in the NFL as Bijan Robinson gets paid, plus talks about his “welcome to the NFL” moment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Larry Fitzgerald in the on deck circle for the Pro
Football Hall of Fame coming up this Saturday, seventeen seasons
as the Cardinals wide receiver, eleven time Pro Bowler and
second NFL receiving touchdown leader and part of the All
Decade Team first ballot Hall of Fame. Running down the list. Uh,
(00:28):
pretty good resume there, Larry, Congratulations on the honor. How
long would it take for you to get ready? If
you know, like we're waiting for Aaron Donald, how long
would it take for you to get ready for this season?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I think that ship is so no, there's no coming
back for me, you know. I you know, thinking about
what Aaron's you know, he's one of those guys. He's
a fitness freak though. You know, he's a big guy,
and you know, he just constantly stays in shape. That's
kind of part of his rituals. So I think his
bounce back will be a lot quicker. But to be
out of the game for a few years and get
(01:03):
back into that the trenches, the double teams and all
of the things.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
That he's got to deal with, you know's that's quite impressive.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You think he's coming back.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I think he's one of.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Those guys who loves the game and he's going back
to a team who legitimately has a great chance to
be able to win a championship with the dishon the
miles Garrett. You put those two and you know, Young
and a couple of other guys in that defensive front,
you know, they present a forumidable challenge for any offensive
line and scheme that they would play against. And he obviously,
(01:34):
you know with Puka, Davonte Adams and you know Kuren Williams,
you know Kerwin and I mean they're loaded over there.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
What is it about pitt Guys? How did you end
up at Pitt.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Dan It was actually a crazy story Matrins of coordinator
Guy Rest. His soul's name was ed Cole. He was
taking me in a couple of my teammates and unificial visits.
So we went to University Illinois, we went to Notre Dame,
were Ohio State, and we were on our way to
Penn State. It was a really really bad, uh you know,
rainstorm or the turnpike. So they actually shut the turnpike
down based on visibility and so stay trooper shut it down.
(02:09):
My coach said, hey, we can't get up there. We
call Penn State let them know what happened. They said,
can we can? We reschedule it for the following day.
So we had a full day in Pittsburgh and coach
Cole said, hey, we're here in town, why don't we
just go visit University of Pittsburgh. You know Dan Marinos,
Tony dur said, Curtis Martin. He started naming off all
the great players, and I said, yeah, let's let's just
go by. Literally, we go over, we meet Wildhare, Shady,
(02:31):
Brooke Hard, you know, all the coaching staff there. They
had no idea who I was. We end up leaving
the next day. We're driving the Penn State. They called
my coach's cell phone. They offered me a scholarship, and
it just kind of started from there.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So if you don't have that rainstorm, you might not
have ended up at.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Pitt There's no chance I would have been there because
they didn't really they don't.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
They don't recruit Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
That's not some place they actually go, and so there's
zero percent chance I would have gone there.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
When did you know you were good?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I would say when I was when I was young,
I mean, I was always better than everybody I played against,
even at seven years old.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
But everybody used to always say, you're.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
From Minnesota, you know you play you know you played
three eight three a high school football.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Your competition's horrible. And so I had that seated doubt.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
In my mind a little bit that the competition was
just that bad. And then I got to college, and
about week two I realized that I had what it
to not only just be there, but actually be a
good player. And if I continue to stay on n trajectory,
I might have a chance.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And of course, your dad was a longtime sports writer.
You're up there in Minnesota covering the Vikings, you get
to be a ball boy. You've talked about that experience
many times. But the fact that Randy moss Is knocks
on your door to tell you you're going into the Hall
of Fame take us back to the first time you
met Randy moss.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
So my first memory of Randy is pretty vivid. I
was a ball boy, and being a couple.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Of ball boys, we're actually in the gym at Mankato State,
and it was they could walk through the gym to
head to the practice field and we were in there
playing basketball, shooting horse and Randy had to walk through
out there, so they were getting ready to walk through,
and it was his birthday.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I think he held out of camp for.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
You know, a day or two or so, I can't remember,
but it was his first day, so it was a
huge anticipation and obviously, you know, we'd all followed his
journey at Marshall and he wanted to see him. And
I remember him like throws the ball and he hit
like two three pointers from like about two feet behind
the three point line, and then before he before he
comes and he dunks it outside you know, it's like
you know, the circle there, and he dunks it and
(04:46):
he walks out, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this
is so unbelievable. I'm fourteen years old at the time
and just so enamored and like that was my first
experience in moss What.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Was your welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Happened Week two my rookie year. We played the New
England Patriots and.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I'll never forget I was I was going to running
across the route and William McGinnis like rearranged my whole
face masses back when they used to really like collision
you and he was. He was dropping out in the
coverage and I wasn't paying attention and he decapitated me.
I got up, and then my coach was like, you
gotta be more physically, you gotta be more physical.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
So there's quarters. I come up and I hit Rodney here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Because as hard as I can drop them on the ground,
and to look in his eyes, he's chasing me back
to the huddle. And I get back to the sylum like, coach,
why did you have me do to this man? It
is absolutely crazy? And he proceeded to chase me around
the rest of the game. I could not wait till
that game was over, and I realized, like, why the
Patriots defense. You know they had Teddy Bruski and Mike
(05:54):
Brabel and Ted Johnson, and I mean, like these dudes
were Vince will Fork. I mean these dudes were massive, physical, mean, aggressive,
angry men. And I learned that at twenty years old
very quickly.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I could imagine Rodney Harrison was gonna get you back,
because Rodney Rodney got everybody. I remember, he told me
that he got fined or got suspended. He had a
shot on Jerry Rice across the middle. He said, I
took him out. That's what you're supposed to do. Game's
changed a little bit since that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Larry, it has it has. I think it's much better.
Guys could play a lot longer, and you know, I
think we need we needed to make the game a
little bit safer. It's it's it's not as nearly as
violent going across that middle. You know, the Steve at
Waters and the Joey Browners and the Jack Tatums of
the world, you know, will be very disappointed in a
way we play game.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now we're talking, Larry Fitzgerald, got the big speech coming up.
How many times you practiced it?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
I practiced it a ton of times, actually working.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Very closely with colleague of yours, Jerry Madaline, you know,
helping me kind of get trying to get prepared for it, so,
you know, five or six times a day, so to
make sure I have it have it down pad on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Okay, our tears in the script.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Tears were never in the script. You know, you know that,
but you never know how you're going to respond.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
You know, you see family and friends and people who
have really played a massive role in your life, shitting
in the front, and you know, I just don't know
how I'm going to respond to to them, you know,
if they're emotional, or one of my kids is emotional.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
You know things you can't really practice that.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And your son is going to induct you.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yes, sir, my oldest son, Devin, He's going to come
out and do it. I'm really really happy. I was
going to originally have my father do it before he
passed away a couple of months ago. But you know,
to be able to have my son do it, it's
it's a tremendous honor and I'm so privileged to have that.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's gonna be tough when you see your son out
there and he starts talking about dad.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I got my daughter's wedding coming up in two weeks
and I got to give a speech, and I'm already
a mess. I practice it every single day, and I'm
I'm a mess when nobody is there listening to me.
So I can't imagine what that's going to be like.
You're gonna you're going to see your life in front
of you with all teammates, former teammates and people from
college and high school and you'll probably be a mess,
(08:30):
and that's okay.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, I definitely will be.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Dan, let me ask you this, Are you going to
be crying because of the speech and emotions or are
you gonna be thinking about how much it.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Costs you for your daughter's wedding? Will be?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I already tried. I already cried about that. Yeh. Yeah.
As I told people, it takes a village to put
on a wedding. It takes a bank account as well
to put on on a wedding. But yeah, I'm I'm
going to be a mess and I don't know how
to prevent myself from crying. Has anybody told you if
(09:00):
you do this you might not cry, or this is
the best thing to do to not be too emotional.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think that it will draw emotions, and people have
told me it's going to be one of the most
emotional things you've ever done. You know you have, You've
been planned for thirty years and you know this is
the culmination of that, the greatest honor you could ever have,
and so it should be emotional. It shouldn't mean something
to you. But I think the more you practice and
the more you're prepared, you know when you do have
(09:26):
those emotions, you can be able to work through it
and get back to the messages you're trying to deliver.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And acknowledging your father as well.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Absolutely, Yeah, Pops played a big role.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
None of it would even be possible it wasn't for
his sacrifices. You know, he put me in these positions
around people that I could learn from and have some
wonderful mentors.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
And so, you know, his presence and his.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Breath of knowledge and fingerprints are all over my life.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Go back to the Randy Moss loaning you his car
when he went to prom What what kind of car
was it that Randy Moss lent you?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It was a It was a blue seven forty five
l I I.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Still remember like it was yesterday. It was. It was
immaculine shape.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And you know once a more detail I left out
when I asked him about it was. You know, I
didn't I didn't know. I didn't tell him that I
didn't have my driver's license yet, and so.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
You know, and I don't know how. I don't know
how your dad was.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
But my dad when he was home, because he was
always traveling covering the twins in the summertime, he was
in Kansas City or Detroit or Cleveland or Chicago company
White Sox. So when he got home, he really didn't
want to he was trying to be home, and so
he would have throw me the keys to the Potiac
and I would just get the drive up to the
park and go practice and work out. And so he
would always tell me to take the backstreet, so I
(10:48):
felt like I could drive.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I never went on the freeway or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Took the side street, so I felt like I was
pretty I was pretty solid with the car. But I
never really had anybody else in the car with me,
you know, so it was a it was a memory.
I got it back to them, no issues. I didn't
I didn't tell my dates, mom and Daddy.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
That I didn't have a license.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Ed.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
We kept all those things to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That's pretty cool. Can you can you thank your hands
during your Hall of Fame speech for me? Just a
little comic relief up there?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Was it Freddie Mitchell who thanked his hands? Remember the
Eagles wide receiver? I think you thanked his hands.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, that was that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, well you're not You're not somebody who is.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That's not really much. That's not really much, jam and uh,
you know I feel like I did. I did have
good hands, but I worked at it.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
It was thousands and thousands of hours of.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know, catching catching balls consistently to try to get
them to where they were.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, but see you didn't fall in line with the
diva wide receivers that.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I was just as big. I was just as big
of a diva as everyone else. But I never I
never did it in public.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
You know, I'd always keep it to myself or you know,
if I had a question about targets, things that make
sure I would do it in a way where you know,
it wasn't showing up anybody or didn't put me in
a position where I would, you know, seem to be
more more worried about my own personal you know, ask
and accomplishments than it was for my team. And so
(12:24):
you know, I wanted it just as bad as anybody
else did, but I knew there was a way to
do it in a way not to do it, in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Congrats, been fun watching and uh you know this is uh,
this is your moment. You've earned it, first Balance Hall
of Famer. Good luck, this weekend.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Thank you, Thank you great seeing you out of Tahoe,
and graduations to you and your family on your daughter's wedding.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
And I hope you have an amazing time.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Thank you, Larry.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
All Right, they have a great day.
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He is the two time Amazon best selling author speak speaker.
He was the bookmaker at the center of the show
Hey U Tani Epei Mizuhara sports betting scandal. Matt Boyer
was sentenced to one year in a day, pleading guilty
for money laundering, falsified tax returns, illegal bookmaking. I talked
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to him after yesterday's show, and I started out by
asking him, when is the first time you took a
bet from Shoheu Toni's interpreter.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
I believe it's twenty twenty one, that the end of
the the end of the season of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
How were you introduced?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I actually met him at a poker game after I
was introduced to him by going to a private poker
game with some of the Angels players and coaches and
friends at a local hilton in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
When did you realize that he worked for show?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Hay?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I mean I knew right away, of course, I mean
who it didn't right He was such a popular character,
probably the most popular interpreter in the world thanks to show.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Hey, of course, at what's your role as a bookie
of keeping somebody betting? But also is there a sympathetic
side to being a bookie when you realize somebody is
in a lot of trouble?
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Yeah, that's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
As a legal book maker, you're giving out reddit and
it's a tough way of trying to make a living
but also not being greedy and egotistical and then trying
to maintain giving someone in a relationship to where you're
not hurting their family or their.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Situation with their bills or it's a very fine line.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
The more you get to know the person and more
you understand them and what they do for a living,
then the more you can help them. If they are
having a gambling problem, which you know, I personally had
one as well, so I understand that dynamic better than anyone.
But you're right, it's a hard line to figure out.
And sometimes oftentimes they're lying to you because they're gambling
with you and they want to give you them an
(15:37):
impression that it's not affecting them, you know, at home
or financially, because they want to continue to bet with
you or get credit or ask you for more credit.
So those are the situations that come up. They're hard
to I'm going to say, run and figure out, because
when you are dealing with these people, you know, at
least in my case, you have a heart. I mean,
the last thing you want to see is if someone
(15:58):
just losing more money than they can afford.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, but at what point are you allowed or do
you ask that's a lot of money you're betting, does
show hey know you're betting this.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
Trith Be told. When EPA came to me, it was
a tiny account.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
It was one thousand and eight thousand dollars credit line,
so I, you know, initially I thought it was no
big deal, and then that escalated very rapidly to the
point of about thirty days later we were at a
half a million to a million dollar credit line.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
And then I knew at that point it had.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
To be either show Hey or him together, or maybe he,
you know, had some funds.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
I didn't know about him.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
You really don't know everyone's personal private lifestyle. Maybe he
was a large investor in something. But then when I
started getting into the point of millions and millions, then
I knew that either.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Show Hey was involved or they were partners.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
I wasn't really sure, and I didn't ask a lot
of questions because animinity in my business when I was
running a book making operation was key. I had a
lot of clients in celebrities and athletes CEOs that were
very private, and that's why they liked working with me
because of that privacy.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
But at the same time, I was being paid, you know,
five hundred thousand dollars every two weeks.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
So the greedy sided me of running a business and
making a lot of money. Was just like, you know,
everything's running smoothly. He's not even making any signs of
you know, panicking or even really he was laughing and
making fun of himself quite often. If you look at
the text messages that the government, you know throughout which
is there was quite a few of them, you could
see us joking back and forth about both of us
(17:31):
being degenerates and losing money through book makers, slash casinos,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So you didn't know that sho heey O Tani knew,
not for a fact, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
I mean I didn't have a relationship with show Hey
at that time. He spoke very little English. And I've
been around the team and some players. I used to
play golf with some of the players and gamble with them,
and quite a few of the Angels players were betting
through my organization, but my relationship was with Dpey. I
never spoke about anything outside of that to even the players,
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even like, for example, some of the players were betting
with me, I wouldn't discuss their business with the other players.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
That being said, I don't think a lot of these
guys knew.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
I'm saying I'm talking about the Angels players knew the
extent of what was going on because the EPA was
very private, didn't have a lot to say, you know,
very wanted things to be low key.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
I realized now why at.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
The time I thought, personally, I thought show Hay was
betting with him because of the amount of bets that
they were making and.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Clearly the amount of money that was being wired.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I just figured he had to have known, especially with
that long period of time and you're seeing five hundred
thousand more wires come out about to count every two
weeks for.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Basically a year and a half.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I just, even to this day, I still don't understand
how showhy didn't wasn't aware.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
I do believe wholeheartedly that he never gambled.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
I don't think he was placing any of the bets
or involved in that part at all.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
He s Matt Boyer, two time Amazon best selling author
and at the center of the show, Heyutani, if a
music Haara sports betting scandal, how many athletes give us
a sense are betting this way that you dealt with
that we're betting through a booking.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
I estimate at least fifty sixty percent it's probably even
higher because the reality is everyone's using third party people
and beards and people to vet through.
Speaker 8 (19:26):
You know, let's be real competitive.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Athletes are very competitive in everything they do, and sports is.
If you're a sports fan, as you and I both are,
we watch all sports.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
And whether you gamble or not, you generally like to
have some sort.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Of play in the game, whether it's fantasy betting. A friend,
you know, you go, I don't know about you. Do
you even golf?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I golf. I'm a guy who gambled a long, long,
long time ago and quit cold turkey?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Do you so you don't gamble on the golf course?
Five bucks? Seven bucks?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Nothing?
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Okay, that's rare, right.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
I mean, if you go to a golf course, you'll
see that most people that golf, whether they gamble a
lot or little, it's usually a dollar or five dollars,
twenty dollars whatever. Most people gamble almost everything they do
when it comes to that, I think athletes are even
higher because the fact they're so competitive and they like
to win it all cost.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But these there's current athletes. Met These are current athletes
who are still betting.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Definitely, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
How many bookies are there left in America?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Millions?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
I mean they're everywhere, literally throughout the country. There's at
least a million book makers. Now some of them might
only have ten or twenty clients, you know, very small.
There's a lot of small operations. There are just local
bookmakers at golf courses or whatnot.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
But there's millions.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, I just didn't know if it was a shrinking
because you have all these other gambling sites where you
can go and do it above board. But a lot
of guys love that, you know, they're not paying taxes
that you know you can do it in a clandestine way.
So what's next for you?
Speaker 7 (21:02):
You know, I'm excited about this journey. I'm rebuilding, as
you know you just said. I have two books that
I produced, one of them I just did right when
I got out of prison. And public speaking and giving
back to people that you know, maybe hopefully NFL teams,
NBA teams, college athletes. I'd like to go to these
schools and universities and give a public speaking event to
(21:24):
where I can help these kids avoid going down the
wrong path. I have the best experience because I've been
on both sides, not always a gambler, but as a
bookmaker and dealing with athletes, and I understand that it's
easy to fall into that trap of you know, not
only betting.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
Yourself, but maybe trying to sway.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
A game, you know, fixing a game to make a
few extra dollars, especially these college athletes. And now you're
singing in with all these pros that are you know,
Terry Rosier and Chauncey Billups and guys that you would
never anticipate getting into trouble because they're wealthy and you know.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
They're NBA athletes. But it's sad that it's happening.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
If I could persuade a kid from doing that at
or a professional athlete than by giving a public speaking event,
then I feel like I'm doing something great. So I
plan on doing that and just building my personal brand.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Did you take any action? Were there any suspicious bets
where you thought somebody might be fixing a game?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
You know, just in the UFC there was a particular
fight that I saw a lot of people coming in
vetting on and there was a fight that was rigged
and they got caught and they obviously.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Got barred from the UFC tennis matches.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
I saw quite a bit lower level, you know, like
the two three hundred top three hundred players in the nation,
not these high level ones that I'm aware of, you know,
top twenty, top one hundred. So those are the usually
the guys who are really not making a ton of money,
that are, you know, trying to find other edges to
make an earning on the side, sadly the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If I ask you to fix a sporting event, which
one are you fixing?
Speaker 7 (22:55):
Tennis is the easiest by far, not even close, I mean,
because you can make it so unobvious by you know,
just playing a particular set or a game for example,
you know, tennis works.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
You've got to win, and men's usually three out of five.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I mean, you could just throw set one, come back
and win the next you know three. And if you
throw set one and you're a favorite, especially then the
underdog is the value is very big on.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That sounds like that's happened many times.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I mean, if you think about it in tennis, drat
to tennis wise, you still win. So the guy who
threw set one could still win the match and still
get paid and still keep his status, and nobody really
gets harmed in that sense in his mind. Of course,
there's somebody getting harmed who's gambling on the sport and
has basically betting a bet that they're going to lose,
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and they don't.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Even know it.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
And the integrity of the sport more importantly is the problem.
And that's that's what I hate to see more than anything.
I knew in twenty eighteen when gambling became legal this
was going to happen. And I've been saying it even
before I with the prison, that is only going to
get worse. And really, you're going to see. The sad
part is these young kids. You know, I have five children,
and three of them are young adults who have their
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you know, boyfriends or kids come over and I hear
it all day long.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
They're all gambling and they're young.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and well, I agree, Yeah, that's a sweet spot
of eighteen to twenty four.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Men.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I keep saying, I've been down that road, and thank
God I wise enough to quit gambling because I see
where we're headed with this. Are you worried about your
safety at all through all of this?
Speaker 7 (24:29):
No, definitely not. I mean, don't get me wrong. Anything
can happen, especially this crazy world we're living.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
In it.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
But you know I've been I made my peace with everybody.
I've done everything I can to make it right. And
you know I'm not an angel. I've done some things
in my life I'm not so proud of, but I've
done more than I am proud of. So I don't
really have any any means per se that are looking
for me.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So no, thanks for joining us, Matt, Good luck with
the journey.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Thanks for having me, Dan, I really appreciate it. Spend
an honor.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Warwyer. We did the interview yesterday after the show. Look,
I don't want to glamorize anything with this person. I
know he's got an agenda. I know that he's got
to make money. You know, the government ten million dollars
from what I'm told, probably wants to look at doing
a movie deal on this. So there's a lot involved,
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you know, the tennis aspect of fixing a tennis match,
and we've had examples of this, it's happened recently. The
number of players athletes who do bet through bookies. Now,
there was no DraftKings or fan duel. When I was
growing up, I bet through a bookie. If I was
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growing up now, i'd be all over that app. I
wouldn't be going through a bookie. But a lot of
people don't want people to know what they're doing. They
don't want you to be able to follow their activity
that they want to be able to do something clean.
It's with somebody. You don't know how much I'm making
or how much I lost, so there's less of a
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paper trail. I understand that it's going to continue. That's
why I wanted to know how many bookies. I was
told there's probably ten real bookies left in America. Like
prominent bookies. Now you have guys who will take some action.
But as far as true bookies, a source told me
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probably ten major players in America.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
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Speaker 2 (26:41):
Hall of Fame Running Back member of the Class of
twenty eleven, Richard Dent, Chris Hanberger, Les Richter, Ed Sable, Dion,
Shannon Sharp, and Marshall Falk joining us on the program.
Are you playing golf right now?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I am Dan, I'm at Firestone. You jealous?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh? Yes, I love Firestone that's tight. Tight. Fairways there, Marshall,
do well, very h what's your handicap?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Now? Good?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Your handicap's good?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What's the number.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
There's there's no numbers. I use letters.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Good okay. But if you're playing, am I giving you shots.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Or I'm giving you I'm giving you shots right now,
I'm playing to about a four or five okay.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Most famous person you played golf with, oh man.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Iiger?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, how'd that go?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Went well? Went well? Went well? Went well for him? Damn.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
It just sounds so different, man, Like when they hit
the ball, It's like, I'm like, oh my god, it
sounds so different.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It is if you go to a driving range or
you know, the range when you go to the Masters
or any you know, and just listen certain guys. I
always say, show heyu Tani the ball leaves his bat
differently than anybody else. And you go by some of
these guys and when they they hit the ball, you
can see it's the size of a penny on their
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club of where they hit it over and over and over.
That's what it sounds like when you hit it correctly.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Yeah, man, it's it's it's crazy. It's crazy that is this.
I mean, just to listen to him hit the ball
and there's this little spot on his on his on
his club face that's a little rusty, and he hits
it every time.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Your thoughts on the resurgence of the running back?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I like it. I like it man.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
You know if you watch here's the thing, the surprise
in Seattle letting Kennt Walker go. That was prize. But
we all know this. Everybody likes to throw the ball.
You depend on the quarterback, can't touch him. But once
we get into playoff football, what is it about? What
did they say, Oh, you got to run the ball.
That's like, that's literally what everybody says.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But who was the first hybrid running back where you
were you were running and catching?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Well, I know, I know for me it was watching
Roger Craig was like it that was that was he
was my guy. Ok, you know that was like, that
was like the guy that I watched that I saw
do it. I remember playing when I was a Saints
fan as a kid, watching the forty nine ers come
in and beat the crop out of us. But he
was the guy.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I always thought Ricky Waters was the first that you know,
he was rushing I think he ran for ten ten
thousand yards. And he also said, oh, are you getting
ready to hit right now?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Okay, go ahead, all right, I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well, I don't know. The yardage here looks like, uh
you on a part three? Yep, okay three?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I hit there?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh you did I hit the gree Are you playing
with any other?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I mean yeah, Eric Differson's here as well.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Tell him my settle low.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I will, I will, But I mean Ricky Waters did it.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
But I'm talking about think about this, okay, And and
and I felt like I didn't do him an injustice.
I didn't bring enough attention to the whole thousand thousand club.
We pretend like this happening all the time. There's only
three guys in the history of the league has ever
done it, you know, and people just don't pay.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Attention to it.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
But he was a fullback, and he played half back,
and he caught the football and rushed.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I mean, it was just unbelievable what he did.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
But because you had Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark, people
just didn't pay attention to him.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Is Teeki barbera Hall.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Of Famer hundred percent hundred percent. And here's the thing,
this is why he gets in. If you look at
if we let Devin hester in, if you look at
him as a returner and a running back, he gets in.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
We let Devin hester In.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'd love the resurgence here the running back.
But you know, you're still seeing receivers get ten million
dollars more than what these you know, these running backs
are getting. And it feels like I can get receivers
getting some of the Bijon and Jamiir Gibbs, h Taylor
got extended. CMC is still really good. Like there's only
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a handful of those guys. It feels like in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Man nobody, nobody will talk about why that's the case.
You really didn't care about why receivers much in a sense,
you know, unless you were a Randy Moss or a
Jerry Rice Michael Werb and that kind of type of guy.
But what what what literally happened was the game changed
and when you protect the quarterback by you can't hit him,
and then and then you can't hit the receivers, you know,
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defenseless receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
They haven't made a rule for the running back. What
did they said?
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I like this from Texas stof what did they say,
you can't if you have the backup high, you can't hit.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Him in the knees too.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Then we would come back too, But they made all
these rules that make that make it advantageous for throwing
the football, and so that's what you do, you throw
the football.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
We had Eric Dickerson on a couple of years ago
and he said that he has to sleep sitting up,
like all the different injuries that we don't see what
happens to you guys, ten fifteen, twenty years after the fact,
I bring up Earl Campbell when I saw him in
a wheelchair. It broke my heart because we care what
you give us on a Sunday. And then after that
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we move on to the next guy. Do you have
any lingering injuries issues?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
You know what I'm I'm literally going through all the
tests now trying to make sure you know this whole
new thing of of you know, making sure your head
is good with all the ct stuff that the league
is doing, all the Parkinson stuff that's linked to CTE.
I'm going through all of that right now, Dan, just
to just to make sure that I'm you know that
I'm that I'm okay, that that I might have a
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quality of life, you know, through my fifties and sixties
and hopefully seventies.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know, but you didn't take too many big hits,
did you.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
It don't take a big hit, you know, it's not
about getting it just takes a hit. It doesn't have
to be a big hit.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
What's the one that uh, welcome to the NFL hit
you got?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Oh man talking crap to the lake to the late
junior say out Because we were both in San Diego
and I finally get a chance to play him and
uh and and I put a move on him, and
I cut back and I looked back at him, and
Kurt Govea leveled me, and I was I was down.
I was looking at the sideline and I was looking
at the huddle, and I'm saying to myself, the huddle
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is closer.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So you limped back to the huddle.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Oh man, I made my way back to the huddle,
got my faculties together, and you know, stop talking trash.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Who do you nerd out over when you see them
at the Hall of Fame or.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Time Tony Dorset? Every time?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Man, that thirty three, that thirty three you know, the
cowboys with the star and all of that.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Man A big, big fan of Dorsets. Man.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
How's he doing? Okay, okay, yeah, well, thanks for interrupting
your golf game there.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And tell any time for you, all right
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Tell tell Eric I said it low and thanks again
more all right man, take care, Marshall Faulk
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Larry Fitzgerald in the on deck circle for the Pro
Football Hall of Fame coming up this Saturday, seventeen seasons
as the Cardinals wide receiver, eleven time Pro Bowler and
second NFL receiving touchdown leader and part of the All
Decade Team first ballot Hall of Fame. Running down the list. Uh,
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pretty good resume there, Larry, Congratulations on the honor. How
long would it take for you to get ready? If
you know, like we're waiting for Aaron Donald, how long
would it take for you to get ready for this season?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I think that ship is so no, there's no coming
back for me, you know. I you know, thinking about
what Aaron's you know, he's one of those guys. He's
a fitness freak though. You know, he's a big guy,
and you know, he just constantly stays in shape. That's
kind of part of his rituals. So I think his
bounce back will be a lot quicker. But to be
out of the game for a few years and get
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back into that the trenches, the double teams and all
of the things.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
That he's got to deal with, you know's that's quite impressive.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You think he's coming back.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I think he's one of.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Those guys who loves the game and he's going back
to a team who legitimately has a great chance to
be able to win a championship with the dishon the
miles Garrett. You put those two and you know, Young
and a couple of other guys in that defensive front,
you know, they present a forumidable challenge for any offensive
line and scheme that they would play against. And he obviously,
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you know with Puka, Davonte Adams and you know Kuren Williams,
you know Kerwin and I mean they're loaded over there.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
What is it about pitt Guys? How did you end
up at Pitt.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Dan It was actually a crazy story Matrins of coordinator
Guy Rest. His soul's name was ed Cole. He was
taking me in a couple of my teammates and unificial visits.
So we went to University Illinois, we went to Notre Dame,
were Ohio State, and we were on our way to
Penn State. It was a really really bad, uh you know,
rainstorm or the turnpike. So they actually shut the turnpike
down based on visibility and so stay trooper shut it down.
(02:09):
My coach said, hey, we can't get up there. We
call Penn State let them know what happened. They said,
can we can? We reschedule it for the following day.
So we had a full day in Pittsburgh and coach
Cole said, hey, we're here in town, why don't we
just go visit University of Pittsburgh. You know Dan Marinos,
Tony dur said, Curtis Martin. He started naming off all
the great players, and I said, yeah, let's let's just
go by. Literally, we go over, we meet Wildhare, Shady,
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Brooke Hard, you know, all the coaching staff there. They
had no idea who I was. We end up leaving
the next day. We're driving the Penn State. They called
my coach's cell phone. They offered me a scholarship, and
it just kind of started from there.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So if you don't have that rainstorm, you might not
have ended up at.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Pitt There's no chance I would have been there because
they didn't really they don't.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
They don't recruit Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
That's not some place they actually go, and so there's
zero percent chance I would have gone there.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
When did you know you were good?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I would say when I was when I was young,
I mean, I was always better than everybody I played against,
even at seven years old.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
But everybody used to always say, you're.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
From Minnesota, you know you play you know you played
three eight three a high school football.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Your competition's horrible. And so I had that seated doubt.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
In my mind a little bit that the competition was
just that bad. And then I got to college, and
about week two I realized that I had what it
to not only just be there, but actually be a
good player. And if I continue to stay on n trajectory,
I might have a chance.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And of course, your dad was a longtime sports writer.
You're up there in Minnesota covering the Vikings, you get
to be a ball boy. You've talked about that experience
many times. But the fact that Randy moss Is knocks
on your door to tell you you're going into the Hall
of Fame take us back to the first time you
met Randy moss.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
So my first memory of Randy is pretty vivid. I
was a ball boy, and being a couple.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Of ball boys, we're actually in the gym at Mankato State,
and it was they could walk through the gym to
head to the practice field and we were in there
playing basketball, shooting horse and Randy had to walk through
out there, so they were getting ready to walk through,
and it was his birthday.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I think he held out of camp for.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
You know, a day or two or so, I can't remember,
but it was his first day, so it was a
huge anticipation and obviously, you know, we'd all followed his
journey at Marshall and he wanted to see him. And
I remember him like throws the ball and he hit
like two three pointers from like about two feet behind
the three point line, and then before he before he
comes and he dunks it outside you know, it's like
you know, the circle there, and he dunks it and
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he walks out, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this
is so unbelievable. I'm fourteen years old at the time
and just so enamored and like that was my first
experience in moss What.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Was your welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Happened Week two my rookie year. We played the New
England Patriots and.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I'll never forget I was I was going to running
across the route and William McGinnis like rearranged my whole
face masses back when they used to really like collision
you and he was. He was dropping out in the
coverage and I wasn't paying attention and he decapitated me.
I got up, and then my coach was like, you
gotta be more physically, you gotta be more physical.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
So there's quarters. I come up and I hit Rodney here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Because as hard as I can drop them on the ground,
and to look in his eyes, he's chasing me back
to the huddle. And I get back to the sylum like, coach,
why did you have me do to this man? It
is absolutely crazy? And he proceeded to chase me around
the rest of the game. I could not wait till
that game was over, and I realized, like, why the
Patriots defense. You know they had Teddy Bruski and Mike
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Brabel and Ted Johnson, and I mean, like these dudes
were Vince will Fork. I mean these dudes were massive, physical, mean, aggressive,
angry men. And I learned that at twenty years old
very quickly.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I could imagine Rodney Harrison was gonna get you back,
because Rodney Rodney got everybody. I remember, he told me
that he got fined or got suspended. He had a
shot on Jerry Rice across the middle. He said, I
took him out. That's what you're supposed to do. Game's
changed a little bit since that.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Larry, it has it has. I think it's much better.
Guys could play a lot longer, and you know, I
think we need we needed to make the game a
little bit safer. It's it's it's not as nearly as
violent going across that middle. You know, the Steve at
Waters and the Joey Browners and the Jack Tatums of
the world, you know, will be very disappointed in a
way we play game.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now we're talking, Larry Fitzgerald, got the big speech coming up.
How many times you practiced it?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
I practiced it a ton of times, actually working.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Very closely with colleague of yours, Jerry Madaline, you know,
helping me kind of get trying to get prepared for it, so,
you know, five or six times a day, so to
make sure I have it have it down pad on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Okay, our tears in the script.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Tears were never in the script. You know, you know that,
but you never know how you're going to respond.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
You know, you see family and friends and people who
have really played a massive role in your life, shitting
in the front, and you know, I just don't know
how I'm going to respond to to them, you know,
if they're emotional, or one of my kids is emotional.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
You know things you can't really practice that.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And your son is going to induct you.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yes, sir, my oldest son, Devin, He's going to come
out and do it. I'm really really happy. I was
going to originally have my father do it before he
passed away a couple of months ago. But you know,
to be able to have my son do it, it's
it's a tremendous honor and I'm so privileged to have that.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's gonna be tough when you see your son out
there and he starts talking about dad.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I got my daughter's wedding coming up in two weeks
and I got to give a speech, and I'm already
a mess. I practice it every single day, and I'm
I'm a mess when nobody is there listening to me.
So I can't imagine what that's going to be like.
You're gonna you're going to see your life in front
of you with all teammates, former teammates and people from
college and high school and you'll probably be a mess,
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and that's okay.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, I definitely will be.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Dan, let me ask you this, Are you going to
be crying because of the speech and emotions or are
you gonna be thinking about how much it.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Costs you for your daughter's wedding? Will be?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I already tried. I already cried about that. Yeh. Yeah.
As I told people, it takes a village to put
on a wedding. It takes a bank account as well
to put on on a wedding. But yeah, I'm I'm
going to be a mess and I don't know how
to prevent myself from crying. Has anybody told you if
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you do this you might not cry, or this is
the best thing to do to not be too emotional.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
No.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think that it will draw emotions, and people have
told me it's going to be one of the most
emotional things you've ever done. You know you have, You've
been planned for thirty years and you know this is
the culmination of that, the greatest honor you could ever have,
and so it should be emotional. It shouldn't mean something
to you. But I think the more you practice and
the more you're prepared, you know when you do have
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those emotions, you can be able to work through it
and get back to the messages you're trying to deliver.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And acknowledging your father as well.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Absolutely, Yeah, Pops played a big role.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
None of it would even be possible it wasn't for
his sacrifices. You know, he put me in these positions
around people that I could learn from and have some
wonderful mentors.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
And so, you know, his presence and his.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Breath of knowledge and fingerprints are all over my life.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Go back to the Randy Moss loaning you his car
when he went to prom What what kind of car
was it that Randy Moss lent you?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It was a It was a blue seven forty five
l I I.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Still remember like it was yesterday. It was. It was
immaculine shape.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And you know once a more detail I left out
when I asked him about it was. You know, I
didn't I didn't know. I didn't tell him that I
didn't have my driver's license yet, and so.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
You know, and I don't know how. I don't know
how your dad was.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
But my dad when he was home, because he was
always traveling covering the twins in the summertime, he was
in Kansas City or Detroit or Cleveland or Chicago company
White Sox. So when he got home, he really didn't
want to he was trying to be home, and so
he would have throw me the keys to the Potiac
and I would just get the drive up to the
park and go practice and work out. And so he
would always tell me to take the backstreet, so I
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felt like I could drive.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I never went on the freeway or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Took the side street, so I felt like I was
pretty I was pretty solid with the car. But I
never really had anybody else in the car with me,
you know, so it was a it was a memory.
I got it back to them, no issues. I didn't
I didn't tell my dates, mom and Daddy.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
That I didn't have a license.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Ed.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
We kept all those things to ourselves.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That's pretty cool. Can you can you thank your hands
during your Hall of Fame speech for me? Just a
little comic relief up there?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Was it Freddie Mitchell who thanked his hands? Remember the
Eagles wide receiver? I think you thanked his hands.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, that was that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, well you're not You're not somebody who is.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That's not really much. That's not really much, jam and uh,
you know I feel like I did. I did have
good hands, but I worked at it.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
It was thousands and thousands of hours of.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know, catching catching balls consistently to try to get
them to where they were.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, but see you didn't fall in line with the
diva wide receivers that.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I was just as big. I was just as big
of a diva as everyone else. But I never I
never did it in public.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
You know, I'd always keep it to myself or you know,
if I had a question about targets, things that make
sure I would do it in a way where you know,
it wasn't showing up anybody or didn't put me in
a position where I would, you know, seem to be
more more worried about my own personal you know, ask
and accomplishments than it was for my team. And so
(12:24):
you know, I wanted it just as bad as anybody
else did, but I knew there was a way to
do it in a way not to do it, in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Congrats, been fun watching and uh you know this is uh,
this is your moment. You've earned it, first Balance Hall
of Famer. Good luck, this weekend.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Thank you, Thank you great seeing you out of Tahoe,
and graduations to you and your family on your daughter's wedding.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
And I hope you have an amazing time.
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Thank you, Larry.
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All Right, they have a great day.
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He is the two time Amazon best selling author speak speaker.
He was the bookmaker at the center of the show
Hey U Tani Epei Mizuhara sports betting scandal. Matt Boyer
was sentenced to one year in a day, pleading guilty
for money laundering, falsified tax returns, illegal bookmaking. I talked
(13:55):
to him after yesterday's show, and I started out by
asking him, when is the first time you took a
bet from Shoheu Toni's interpreter.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
I believe it's twenty twenty one, that the end of
the the end of the season of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
How were you introduced?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I actually met him at a poker game after I
was introduced to him by going to a private poker
game with some of the Angels players and coaches and
friends at a local hilton in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
When did you realize that he worked for show?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Hay?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I mean I knew right away, of course, I mean
who it didn't right He was such a popular character,
probably the most popular interpreter in the world thanks to show.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Hey, of course, at what's your role as a bookie
of keeping somebody betting? But also is there a sympathetic
side to being a bookie when you realize somebody is
in a lot of trouble?
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Yeah, that's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
As a legal book maker, you're giving out reddit and
it's a tough way of trying to make a living
but also not being greedy and egotistical and then trying
to maintain giving someone in a relationship to where you're
not hurting their family or their.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Situation with their bills or it's a very fine line.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
The more you get to know the person and more
you understand them and what they do for a living,
then the more you can help them. If they are
having a gambling problem, which you know, I personally had
one as well, so I understand that dynamic better than anyone.
But you're right, it's a hard line to figure out.
And sometimes oftentimes they're lying to you because they're gambling
with you and they want to give you them an
(15:37):
impression that it's not affecting them, you know, at home
or financially, because they want to continue to bet with
you or get credit or ask you for more credit.
So those are the situations that come up. They're hard
to I'm going to say, run and figure out, because
when you are dealing with these people, you know, at
least in my case, you have a heart. I mean,
the last thing you want to see is if someone
(15:58):
just losing more money than they can afford.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, but at what point are you allowed or do
you ask that's a lot of money you're betting, does
show hey know you're betting this.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
Trith Be told. When EPA came to me, it was
a tiny account.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
It was one thousand and eight thousand dollars credit line,
so I, you know, initially I thought it was no
big deal, and then that escalated very rapidly to the
point of about thirty days later we were at a
half a million to a million dollar credit line.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
And then I knew at that point it had.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
To be either show Hey or him together, or maybe he,
you know, had some funds.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
I didn't know about him.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
You really don't know everyone's personal private lifestyle. Maybe he
was a large investor in something. But then when I
started getting into the point of millions and millions, then
I knew that either.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Show Hey was involved or they were partners.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
I wasn't really sure, and I didn't ask a lot
of questions because animinity in my business when I was
running a book making operation was key. I had a
lot of clients in celebrities and athletes CEOs that were
very private, and that's why they liked working with me
because of that privacy.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
But at the same time, I was being paid, you know,
five hundred thousand dollars every two weeks.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
So the greedy sided me of running a business and
making a lot of money. Was just like, you know,
everything's running smoothly. He's not even making any signs of
you know, panicking or even really he was laughing and
making fun of himself quite often. If you look at
the text messages that the government, you know throughout which
is there was quite a few of them, you could
see us joking back and forth about both of us
(17:31):
being degenerates and losing money through book makers, slash casinos,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So you didn't know that sho heey O Tani knew,
not for a fact, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
I mean I didn't have a relationship with show Hey
at that time. He spoke very little English. And I've
been around the team and some players. I used to
play golf with some of the players and gamble with them,
and quite a few of the Angels players were betting
through my organization, but my relationship was with Dpey. I
never spoke about anything outside of that to even the players,
(18:06):
even like, for example, some of the players were betting
with me, I wouldn't discuss their business with the other players.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
That being said, I don't think a lot of these
guys knew.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
I'm saying I'm talking about the Angels players knew the
extent of what was going on because the EPA was
very private, didn't have a lot to say, you know,
very wanted things to be low key.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
I realized now why at.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
The time I thought, personally, I thought show Hay was
betting with him because of the amount of bets that
they were making and.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Clearly the amount of money that was being wired.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I just figured he had to have known, especially with
that long period of time and you're seeing five hundred
thousand more wires come out about to count every two
weeks for.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Basically a year and a half.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
I just, even to this day, I still don't understand
how showhy didn't wasn't aware.
Speaker 8 (18:51):
I do believe wholeheartedly that he never gambled.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
I don't think he was placing any of the bets
or involved in that part at all.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
He s Matt Boyer, two time Amazon best selling author
and at the center of the show, Heyutani, if a
music Haara sports betting scandal, how many athletes give us
a sense are betting this way that you dealt with
that we're betting through a booking.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
I estimate at least fifty sixty percent it's probably even
higher because the reality is everyone's using third party people
and beards and people to vet through.
Speaker 8 (19:26):
You know, let's be real competitive.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Athletes are very competitive in everything they do, and sports is.
If you're a sports fan, as you and I both are,
we watch all sports.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
And whether you gamble or not, you generally like to
have some sort.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Of play in the game, whether it's fantasy betting. A friend,
you know, you go, I don't know about you. Do
you even golf?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I golf. I'm a guy who gambled a long, long,
long time ago and quit cold turkey?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
Do you so you don't gamble on the golf course?
Five bucks? Seven bucks?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Nothing?
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Okay, that's rare, right.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
I mean, if you go to a golf course, you'll
see that most people that golf, whether they gamble a
lot or little, it's usually a dollar or five dollars,
twenty dollars whatever. Most people gamble almost everything they do
when it comes to that, I think athletes are even
higher because the fact they're so competitive and they like
to win it all cost.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But these there's current athletes. Met These are current athletes
who are still betting.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Definitely, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
How many bookies are there left in America?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
Millions?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
I mean they're everywhere, literally throughout the country. There's at
least a million book makers. Now some of them might
only have ten or twenty clients, you know, very small.
There's a lot of small operations. There are just local
bookmakers at golf courses or whatnot.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
But there's millions.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, I just didn't know if it was a shrinking
because you have all these other gambling sites where you
can go and do it above board. But a lot
of guys love that, you know, they're not paying taxes
that you know you can do it in a clandestine way.
So what's next for you?
Speaker 7 (21:02):
You know, I'm excited about this journey. I'm rebuilding, as
you know you just said. I have two books that
I produced, one of them I just did right when
I got out of prison. And public speaking and giving
back to people that you know, maybe hopefully NFL teams,
NBA teams, college athletes. I'd like to go to these
schools and universities and give a public speaking event to
(21:24):
where I can help these kids avoid going down the
wrong path. I have the best experience because I've been
on both sides, not always a gambler, but as a
bookmaker and dealing with athletes, and I understand that it's
easy to fall into that trap of you know, not
only betting.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
Yourself, but maybe trying to sway.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
A game, you know, fixing a game to make a
few extra dollars, especially these college athletes. And now you're
singing in with all these pros that are you know,
Terry Rosier and Chauncey Billups and guys that you would
never anticipate getting into trouble because they're wealthy and you know.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
They're NBA athletes. But it's sad that it's happening.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
If I could persuade a kid from doing that at
or a professional athlete than by giving a public speaking event,
then I feel like I'm doing something great. So I
plan on doing that and just building my personal brand.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Did you take any action? Were there any suspicious bets
where you thought somebody might be fixing a game?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
You know, just in the UFC there was a particular
fight that I saw a lot of people coming in
vetting on and there was a fight that was rigged
and they got caught and they obviously.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Got barred from the UFC tennis matches.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
I saw quite a bit lower level, you know, like
the two three hundred top three hundred players in the nation,
not these high level ones that I'm aware of, you know,
top twenty, top one hundred. So those are the usually
the guys who are really not making a ton of money,
that are, you know, trying to find other edges to
make an earning on the side, sadly the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
If I ask you to fix a sporting event, which
one are you fixing?
Speaker 7 (22:55):
Tennis is the easiest by far, not even close, I mean,
because you can make it so unobvious by you know,
just playing a particular set or a game for example,
you know, tennis works.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
You've got to win, and men's usually three out of five.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I mean, you could just throw set one, come back
and win the next you know three. And if you
throw set one and you're a favorite, especially then the
underdog is the value is very big on.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That sounds like that's happened many times.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I mean, if you think about it in tennis, drat
to tennis wise, you still win. So the guy who
threw set one could still win the match and still
get paid and still keep his status, and nobody really
gets harmed in that sense in his mind. Of course,
there's somebody getting harmed who's gambling on the sport and
has basically betting a bet that they're going to lose,
(23:45):
and they don't.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
Even know it.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
And the integrity of the sport more importantly is the problem.
And that's that's what I hate to see more than anything.
I knew in twenty eighteen when gambling became legal this
was going to happen. And I've been saying it even
before I with the prison, that is only going to
get worse. And really, you're going to see. The sad
part is these young kids. You know, I have five children,
and three of them are young adults who have their
(24:08):
you know, boyfriends or kids come over and I hear
it all day long.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
They're all gambling and they're young.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and well, I agree, Yeah, that's a sweet spot
of eighteen to twenty four.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Men.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I keep saying, I've been down that road, and thank
God I wise enough to quit gambling because I see
where we're headed with this. Are you worried about your
safety at all through all of this?
Speaker 7 (24:29):
No, definitely not. I mean, don't get me wrong. Anything
can happen, especially this crazy world we're living.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
In it.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
But you know I've been I made my peace with everybody.
I've done everything I can to make it right. And
you know I'm not an angel. I've done some things
in my life I'm not so proud of, but I've
done more than I am proud of. So I don't
really have any any means per se that are looking
for me.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So no, thanks for joining us, Matt, Good luck with
the journey.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Thanks for having me, Dan, I really appreciate it. Spend
an honor.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Warwyer. We did the interview yesterday after the show. Look,
I don't want to glamorize anything with this person. I
know he's got an agenda. I know that he's got
to make money. You know, the government ten million dollars
from what I'm told, probably wants to look at doing
a movie deal on this. So there's a lot involved,
(25:24):
you know, the tennis aspect of fixing a tennis match,
and we've had examples of this, it's happened recently. The
number of players athletes who do bet through bookies. Now,
there was no DraftKings or fan duel. When I was
growing up, I bet through a bookie. If I was
(25:45):
growing up now, i'd be all over that app. I
wouldn't be going through a bookie. But a lot of
people don't want people to know what they're doing. They
don't want you to be able to follow their activity
that they want to be able to do something clean.
It's with somebody. You don't know how much I'm making
or how much I lost, so there's less of a
(26:05):
paper trail. I understand that it's going to continue. That's
why I wanted to know how many bookies. I was
told there's probably ten real bookies left in America. Like
prominent bookies. Now you have guys who will take some action.
But as far as true bookies, a source told me
(26:25):
probably ten major players in America.
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Are you playing golf right now?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I am Dan, I'm at Firestone. You jealous?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh? Yes, I love Firestone that's tight. Tight. Fairways there, Marshall,
do well, very h what's your handicap?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Now? Good?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Your handicap's good?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What's the number.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
There's there's no numbers. I use letters.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Good okay. But if you're playing, am I giving you shots.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Or I'm giving you I'm giving you shots right now,
I'm playing to about a four or five okay.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Most famous person you played golf with, oh man.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Iiger?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, how'd that go?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Went well? Went well? Went well? Went well for him? Damn.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
It just sounds so different, man, Like when they hit
the ball, It's like, I'm like, oh my god, it
sounds so different.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It is if you go to a driving range or
you know, the range when you go to the Masters
or any you know, and just listen certain guys. I
always say, show heyu Tani the ball leaves his bat
differently than anybody else. And you go by some of
these guys and when they they hit the ball, you
can see it's the size of a penny on their
(28:28):
club of where they hit it over and over and over.
That's what it sounds like when you hit it correctly.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Yeah, man, it's it's it's crazy. It's crazy that is this.
I mean, just to listen to him hit the ball
and there's this little spot on his on his on
his club face that's a little rusty, and he hits
it every time.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Your thoughts on the resurgence of the running back?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I like it. I like it man.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
You know if you watch here's the thing, the surprise
in Seattle letting Kennt Walker go. That was prize. But
we all know this. Everybody likes to throw the ball.
You depend on the quarterback, can't touch him. But once
we get into playoff football, what is it about? What
did they say, Oh, you got to run the ball.
That's like, that's literally what everybody says.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But who was the first hybrid running back where you
were you were running and catching?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Well, I know, I know for me it was watching
Roger Craig was like it that was that was he
was my guy. Ok, you know that was like, that
was like the guy that I watched that I saw
do it. I remember playing when I was a Saints
fan as a kid, watching the forty nine ers come
in and beat the crop out of us. But he
was the guy.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I always thought Ricky Waters was the first that you know,
he was rushing I think he ran for ten ten
thousand yards. And he also said, oh, are you getting
ready to hit right now?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Okay, go ahead, all right, I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well, I don't know. The yardage here looks like, uh
you on a part three? Yep, okay three?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I hit there?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh you did I hit the gree Are you playing
with any other?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I mean yeah, Eric Differson's here as well.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Tell him my settle low.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I will, I will, But I mean Ricky Waters did it.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
But I'm talking about think about this, okay, And and
and I felt like I didn't do him an injustice.
I didn't bring enough attention to the whole thousand thousand club.
We pretend like this happening all the time. There's only
three guys in the history of the league has ever
done it, you know, and people just don't pay.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Attention to it.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
But he was a fullback, and he played half back,
and he caught the football and rushed.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I mean, it was just unbelievable what he did.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
But because you had Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark, people
just didn't pay attention to him.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Is Teeki barbera Hall.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Of Famer hundred percent hundred percent. And here's the thing,
this is why he gets in. If you look at
if we let Devin hester in, if you look at
him as a returner and a running back, he gets in.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
We let Devin hester In.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'd love the resurgence here the running back.
But you know, you're still seeing receivers get ten million
dollars more than what these you know, these running backs
are getting. And it feels like I can get receivers
getting some of the Bijon and Jamiir Gibbs, h Taylor
got extended. CMC is still really good. Like there's only
(31:41):
a handful of those guys. It feels like in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Man nobody, nobody will talk about why that's the case.
You really didn't care about why receivers much in a sense,
you know, unless you were a Randy Moss or a
Jerry Rice Michael Werb and that kind of type of guy.
But what what what literally happened was the game changed
and when you protect the quarterback by you can't hit him,
and then and then you can't hit the receivers, you know,
(32:06):
defenseless receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
They haven't made a rule for the running back. What
did they said?
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I like this from Texas stof what did they say,
you can't if you have the backup high, you can't hit.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Him in the knees too.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Then we would come back too, But they made all
these rules that make that make it advantageous for throwing
the football, and so that's what you do, you throw
the football.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
We had Eric Dickerson on a couple of years ago
and he said that he has to sleep sitting up,
like all the different injuries that we don't see what
happens to you guys, ten fifteen, twenty years after the fact,
I bring up Earl Campbell when I saw him in
a wheelchair. It broke my heart because we care what
you give us on a Sunday. And then after that
(32:48):
we move on to the next guy. Do you have
any lingering injuries issues?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
You know what I'm I'm literally going through all the
tests now trying to make sure you know this whole
new thing of of you know, making sure your head
is good with all the ct stuff that the league
is doing, all the Parkinson stuff that's linked to CTE.
I'm going through all of that right now, Dan, just
to just to make sure that I'm you know that
I'm that I'm okay, that that I might have a
(33:17):
quality of life, you know, through my fifties and sixties
and hopefully seventies.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know, but you didn't take too many big hits,
did you.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
It don't take a big hit, you know, it's not
about getting it just takes a hit. It doesn't have
to be a big hit.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
What's the one that uh, welcome to the NFL hit
you got?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Oh man talking crap to the lake to the late
junior say out Because we were both in San Diego
and I finally get a chance to play him and
uh and and I put a move on him, and
I cut back and I looked back at him, and
Kurt Govea leveled me, and I was I was down.
I was looking at the sideline and I was looking
at the huddle, and I'm saying to myself, the huddle
(33:57):
is closer.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So you limped back to the huddle.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Oh man, I made my way back to the huddle,
got my faculties together, and you know, stop talking trash.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Who do you nerd out over when you see them
at the Hall of Fame or.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Time Tony Dorset? Every time?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Man, that thirty three, that thirty three you know, the
cowboys with the star and all of that.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Man A big, big fan of Dorsets. Man.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
How's he doing? Okay, okay, yeah, well, thanks for interrupting
your golf game there.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And tell any time for you, all right
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Tell tell Eric I said it low and thanks again
more all right man, take care, Marshall Faulk
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Betrayal Weekly
Betrayal Weekly is back for a new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. If you would like to share your story, you can reach out to the Betrayal Team by emailing them at betrayalpod@gmail.com and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.
Dateline NBC
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