August 27, 2026 • 41 mins
Dan wonders if anybody will miss the NFL Pro Bowl after the league announced they are scrapping the actual game. And former NFL QB and current host of “2 Pros and a Cup of Joe” open Fox Sports Radio, Brady Quinn stops by to weigh in on the demise of the Pro Bowl and the latest bombshell report on CTE in NFL players.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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couple of headlines here. We got preseason football coming up tonight.
This is the third and final game. Used to be
the fourth game would be the final game of the preseason.
You got Steelers and the Bills. You got the Patriots
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and the Browns. The Niners and the Raiders. Rams and
the Chargers. Now, Used to be you were trying to
figure out who the starting quarterback would be if there
was some doubt, like who's starting the final preseason game.
Feels like if you're starting the final preseason game at quarterback,
you're probably not the starting quarterback for your team. But
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we'll talk to Brady Quinn about that, former quarterback, and
also Jason Garrett as well. The NFL said goodbye to
the Pro Bowl games. Yep. Said goodbye. That's it. Now,
don't be up in arms about this. Don't be like, oh,
my God, they're going to get rid of the Pro Bowl.
They got rid of the Pro Bowl a long time ago.
When you start to do those competitions, you bring the
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athletes in. You know, I'm trying to figure out why
would you do this? Because the NFL usually what they
sprinkle their magic dust on gets ratings, makes money. This
was something we just didn't care about. It was being
forced down our throat. Hey, the Pro Bowl. OK, I
only care who gets mentioned, who gets named to first
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team Pro Bowl. That's it. And that's what I keep saying.
The designation gets diluted when somebody says, hey, Vince Young,
Pro Bowl quarterback. I said, was he like the third
or fourth alternate? So it doesn't mean anything. All pro
is what means something. But if you're first team pro bowl,
I'm fine with that designation. Put that on your resume.
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Now we're going to get rid of that. And maybe
it's cost cutting. Maybe it's nobody's watching. Maybe, hey, how
about player safety? Maybe something like that. And I don't
know if I'll get a straight answer from the NFL.
And maybe it's just, okay, we tried everything. We brought
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in Peyton and Eli. That didn't work either. Omaha Productions,
that didn't work either. Maybe we just say, how about
we have a night where we name our Pro Bowl team?
Maybe something like that. I don't know if anybody cares
about that. They don't do that for the All-Pro, and
the All-Pro is what means something. If you're All-Pro, you
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put that right up top on your resume. Pro Bowl,
not the same. But the games... Do you remember when
Max Crosby was with us? In fact, can we find that, Marvin,
with Max Crosby? Now, do we have that? Nope. Working
on it now. Yeah, let's get that. Because Max Crosby
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was on the show, I don't know, maybe five years ago.
And all of a sudden, the game changed after halftime
or third quarter. And then all of a sudden, it
was like I tuned in because Paulie said, hey, Pro Bowl.
And I'm like, no, you're not going to get me
to tune into the Pro Bowl. He goes, tune into
the Pro Bowl. I go, okay. And it looked like
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you had grown men slow dancing with each other. There's
more contact on Dancing with the Stars than there was
on that Pro Bowl game. That's when it changed. That's
when I went, okay, the players don't want to be
out there. And I don't blame them. Look at the
injuries that we have in preseason, in training camp, during
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the season. Now I'm going to say to you, hey,
how about $ 25, 000, $ 30, 000 to go out there and play
in a Pro Bowl game that doesn't mean anything? Who's
with me? No. Wait. Who's with me? No. Nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Nobody at all. Nobody at all.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Come on. Who's with me?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Nobody.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Okay. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That was the Pro Bowl enthusiasm that players had also.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But that's when it changed for me. I mean, I
go back to Sean Taylor when he had a devastating
hit in a Pro Bowl game. I remember talking to
Dan Marino. I said, you know, you get named to
the Pro Bowl, you don't play. He goes, no, I
don't want to play. I want to go to Hawaii.
They would go to Hawaii. They'd say, bring your family out.
Nobody wanted to play. And I don't blame them because
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after 17 games, well, 16 games, Back then, you're like
the last thing you want to do is go out
there and worry about somebody trying to make a name
for themselves with a cheap shot there. Or something accidental happens.
So we say goodbye to the Pro Bowl. I don't
know if they replace it with anything. Now, the skills competition,
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dodgeball with 300-pound linemen out there, was kind of funny. Like,
I would like to have guys who don't do that
for a living say, So you get linemen who are
going to be quarterbacks, or you get quarterbacks who are
going to be wide receivers, or somebody's going to be
a kicker who's not normally a kicker. If you want
to make it fun and laugh at it, but there's
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a lot of resume. Shador Sanders was a Pro Bowl quarterback.
He was part of the Pro Bowl games nomination. Who's
our favorite?
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Hundley.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Tyler Hundley?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Tyler Hundley was a Pro Bowl games quarterback without playing, really,
during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, played a couple of games. You have to fill
out the roster. And that's why when I look at
these resumes and I go, well, wait a minute. Russell
Wilson was a Pro Bowl quarterback 10 years. How many
of those times was he the first quarterback or second quarterback,
or was he just an alternate? So this affects Hall
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of Fame resumes because sometimes you'll look at the Pro
Bowl and you'll go, man, that guy eight-time Pro Bowl. Yeah,
but four times he was an alternate. It's not the same. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Vince Young has played in more Pro Bowls than Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's played in actual games. Correct.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
These guys don't want to be named. They want to
be named because there's probably a bonus. They don't want
to play in the game. So it's kind of hard
to go, hey, tune in. These guys are really going
to kind of sort of go at it. Hey, how
about flag football? Well, I understand that because the NFL
is trying to expand globally and they're going to do
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it flag football wise. So if the pros are playing
flag football and then there's going to be an Olympic
flag football, that makes a lot of sense. We still
didn't care about flag football. Now, we will once we
get to the Olympics, and other countries will be able
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to field a flag football team a whole lot easier
than a regular football team. So there will be interest
in that. But the NFL, and I don't know if
the NFL would be honest with me. I mean, we
can ask. Commissioner's not going to come on. But if
he did, why are we doing away with it now?
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What was the tipping point where you go, you know what?
That's it. We're done with the Pro Bowl. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I went back and looked at that game you mentioned.
It was after the 2021 season, the last active, air quotes,
Pro Bowl. The first quarter, it looks like a football game,
a light football game. And then they start just standing
up and letting the running back walk, and they kind
of grab him. And in the second half, it became,
like you said, a dance contest. And I'm looking at
some of the articles and response the next day.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Travesty.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
No effort.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
NFL is a money-making machine. So if they think they
can make a larger profit on something, they're going to
do it. Maybe that's why they looked at the Pro
Bowl and they said, all right, ratings aren't good. People
aren't watching. Nobody cares. Let's try to do something else. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We actually were in attendance for the Pro Bowl games.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
In San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
In San Francisco.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
And had I known it would be the last one,
I think I would have savored it a little more, Dan.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But weren't they in a ballroom?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It was like a... A room in the convention center.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Convention center.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Also, we were asking a lot of questions about the
electrical substation, and is it a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That they're not doing the games anymore? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well, that was just San Francisco. The game's not always
in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I know, but that was the last one.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah. Well, RIP. You were there. You got to talk
to Shador Sanders, Pro Bowl quarterback that day, didn't you?
We did.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Marvin and I did.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Do you have to refer to him as that? Okay,
let's say 10 years down the road, Shador Sanders is
going to be a TV analyst on the mothership. Do
they introduce him as former Pro Bowl quarterback Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Like how far do we stretch this that Vince Young
is technically a Pro Bowl quarterback? Two time. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Randomly, I was looking up the 2004 Pro Bowl because
that's what I do in my spare time.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Legit, I do.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So the starting quarterback is Dante Culpepper, and there's two
reserves from the NFC, Brett Favre and Donovan McNabb. Both
of those guys were injured, quote-unquote. The alternates were Matt
Hasselbeck and Mark Bolger.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Here is Max Crosby on the show talking about the
Pro Bowl. Honestly, there wasn't an agreement.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
Once the game started, I got off the ball, and
I noticed everyone was kind of moving in slow motion.
So I was trying to, like, act in a way
to try to, you know, But as the game went on,
you know, there was a big bonus.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, you know, Vrabel is a competitive guy. He wanted
to win.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
Everybody on our team was like, all right, we're going
to like kind of go with the flow. But we
wanted to win. So, yeah, you know, there's a couple
of third downs and fourth downs where we kind of
were rushing a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And Max Crosby, you can't have him play in a
game without him being Max Crosby. I think he was
defensive player of the year in the game because he's
the one defensive player who was trying. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
So I think, like, when you were talking about the
Pro Bowl versus All-Pro thing, I think to get a
better reading on, like, a player's resume is you have
to compare the number of Pro Bowls and the All-Pros,
sort of like the inverse ratio between the two. Like,
if it's nine and two second-team All-Pros or nine and, like,
four second-team, four first-team All-Pros, then you're like, okay, that's the.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Okay, but can we look at Russell Wilson of how
many times was he an alternate? Like, what is the
true designation of you're a Pro Bowl quarterback without it being,
we couldn't get anybody, so now we have, you're our
fourth choice, our fifth choice. Yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
So the average person will have to dive into that.
It's not readily available. If you look at profootballreference.com, which
has everything, they list Russell Wilson as a Pro Bowler,
and every year it just says PB. It does not
give you the details behind it. And so what's happened, though,
in the past five years with the Pro Bowl games,
they don't split between the Pro Bowl honor that everyone
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gets every year and a participant in the Pro Bowl game.
So on your resume, Pro Bowl games participant makes you
into a Pro Bowler, like you said.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, that's the problem that I have with this. There
is one Pro Bowl team, offense and defense, and that's
the designation that should be on your resume, not the
other part of this. Just going there to fill out
a roster or be part of the skills competition doesn't
make you a Pro Bowl quarterback. And that's the problem
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that I have. If you want to do the skills competition,
even do the game, be fair to those who are
truly Pro Bowl quarterbacks or other positions here. Because this
helps you get into the Hall of Fame. And a
lot of people won't sort through this and go, well,
how many times were you the fifth alternate here? Be like, man,
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Pro Bowl quarterback. All right. Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
I do see Max Crosby was talking about wanting to
win that bonus. So for the last Pro Bowl, the
last one ever, the winners, the Pro Bowl games, I
should say, the winners got 96 grand and the losers
got 48 grand. And that total is supposed to go up.
until the 2030 season when the winners would get 116,000
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and the losers would get 58,000.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Now, that's obviously not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Russell Wilson is a 10-time Pro Bowler. Five of those
came as an alternate or injury replacement for someone who
tapped out.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, so that dilutes it. But, you know, when we
talk about Pro Bowl, and then we'll be, hey, Russell Wilson,
Hall of Famer. And we brought this up before. I
didn't know how many times he was an alternate. So
10 makes you a Hall of Famer. Five does not.
And maybe we should be looking at the five as
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opposed to the ten. Look at me. I'm all fired
up for the Pro Bowl. You know what really drew
my ire? The Pro Bowl. We got rid of the
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
How dare they?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, Mark.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, for context purposes, Russell Wilson's first Pro Bowl was
in 2012. Aaron Rodgers was the starting quarterback in the
two reserves or Matt Ryan and Robert Griffin III. All
three of them did not play because of injury. The
three alternates, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, then Russell Wilson. So
he's basically number six on that list.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, see, it just has a different designation to it,
a different value to it. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Yeah, and talking about that sort of inverse ratio between
Pro Bowl and All-Pro, Russ was a 10-time Pro Bowler.
He was a one-time second-team All-Pro in 2019.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All-Pro, that's what you want. You get that, you get four,
five All-Pros, that puts you in Hall of Fame consideration.
All right, we'll come up with a play of the
day a little bit later on. We have a poll question.
We'll settle in on your phone calls. Up next, we'll
talk to Brady Quinn, Fox Sports, right after this.
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Working on a poll question for the first hour. Dylan
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We'll talk to Jason Garrett, former Cowboys coach and now
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coming up next hour. Joining us now is Brady Quinn,
Fox College football analyst, big noon kickoff host of Two
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Pros and a Cup of Joe. You'll hear that show
preceding ours on a lot of the radio networks and
the former Notre Dame quarterback. The Pro Bowl is finally
going away because?
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Well, Dan, first off, thanks for having me.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
I wish we were back in Ireland together like we
were a few years back, where I was trying to
pull Will Ferrell's pants up high like he used to
mimic me. The Pro Bowl's going away because there is,
and I don't know exactly when it happened, but the
All-Star Games, and in particular in the NFL, and you
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could even make the case for the NBA, They've lacked
the sort of competitiveness that I think fans want to
see when you get the best amongst the best. And
I want to say there was a transition after Jordan,
after Kobe, to where things started to kind of become
a little bit more friendly in the NBA. And I
think you saw that too at some point in the NFL,
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maybe about the same time. But I also feel like
the move from Hawaii, where it truly was a reward
for those players, kind of did it in. I mean,
you hear guys talk about it. I was never fortunate
enough to go to one, but the players, the coaches,
the people who talked about it, it really was a
reward for them. And the second you moved it away
from that, and I don't know if that was a
cost-cutting measure or what the conclusion was, but that started
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to be the beginning of the end for it. So
that would... I mean, bring it back to Hawaii. If
you wanted to have something, maybe guys would play more competitively,
but I do know there were still some games there
where it wasn't quite the same as it used to be.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, and I don't blame the players... Because you've had
a grueling season. I mean, guys are getting injured in
training camp. And now you're going to go out there
and kind of go through the motions? It's just unfair
to ask that. I've never been a fan of the
Pro Bowl, but even the skills competition. I mean, it's filler.
But usually what the NFL touches turns to gold. They
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just couldn't make this work, even with Eli and Peyton
Manning coming in overseeing this.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Yeah, and again, Usually everything they touch turns to gold,
but this is one where they kind of lost sight
of the fact that they've got so many stars in
that are a part of this, but they just couldn't
figure out a way of incentivizing them to put forth
that same effort.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
And you're right.
Speaker 11 (18:26):
Maybe it's just the fact that the contracts and the
money is so big now in the NFL that it just,
it never could be what it once was. Cause there's
just no way of compensating the players to give that
all out effort and not having them worry about their
long-term risks. And we've got examples of guys who've gotten
injured playing in the pro bowl and they've come back
and said, like, it's just, it's just not worth it.
You know, I can't let one game end up being
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a detriment to the rest of my career. One game that's,
kind of insignificant, if we're really being honest, it'd be
a detriment to the rest of their career.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
So I just think the risk started to outweigh the
reward as well. And there's no.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
Insurance policy big enough, maybe unless the NFL was going
to pay for it, that would net out the reward
of what that would be if you did face an
injury in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
But the Pro Bowl is part of your Hall of
Fame resume. Guys have gotten in because of Pro Bowl appearances.
I look at Russell Wilson. I'm going to single him
out just because I think he'll be on, you know,
kind of on the cusp of being a Hall of Famer.
Ten Pro Bowls, five were legitimate. The other five, that's
where you're a fifth or sixth alternate. So that changes
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the 10-time Pro Bowl quarterback. And granted, if he wins
that second Super Bowl, he's in. But I don't know
if that's going to affect resumes looking at the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Well, look, I'm not a voter.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
I think when you talk to players who went to
the Pro Bowl, one of the things they would always
say is they looked at the guys who were alternates different.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
They kind of looked at them as, LeVar Arrington and
I were just talking about this this morning.
Speaker 11 (19:57):
He said, look, after he'd gone there once, his second
time around when the alternates walked in, he'd be like, hey, man,
good for you. You were able to make it here
with us. And you would hear that a little bit too.
And even the tough thing about Pro Bowls, and I
don't know how many players are willing to admit this,
but We had this conversation, like once you got in,
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especially for certain positions, you could talk about like the line.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
It was kind of like the next year, be like, oh,
he's having a decent season, right?
Speaker 10 (20:26):
All right.
Speaker 11 (20:26):
Well, he made it last year. So we'll vote him
in this year. Or remember that big hit he had?
And it looks like he's having a good season. He's
been in a couple of Pro Bowls now. He should
go in again. So it's kind of one of those deals, too,
where when you talk about a Hall of Fame resume,
I would venture to say most voters look at all
pros more than anything else, since that really differentiates the
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best of the best amongst that group. You should have
more guys who can qualify for a Pro Bowl. But
also just because I think there's a little bit of
a thought with the alternate situation slash, you know, just again,
once you get in, it's like, well, now it's just
expected every single time that you're up for it.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
He's having an average season, but we'll just go ahead
and throw him in there as well.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Talking to Brady Quinn, Fox College football analyst, two pros
and a cup of joe, co-host of that. Let's go
down a couple of these quarterback situations. I don't know
if they're true competitions, but if you ran the Falcons,
your starting quarterback in week one is going to be?
Speaker 11 (21:22):
Well, right now it's Tua. Is Michael Peck healthy enough
to start? So really, that's the first question you have
to answer.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But is that the only reason why Tua will be
starting is because Michael Peck isn't healthy?
Speaker 7 (21:34):
It sounds that way.
Speaker 11 (21:35):
If it was up to me if Michael Penix was healthy,
I would have to see what I have in Michael Penix.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I spent a first-round draft pick on him.
Speaker 11 (21:42):
I understand that entire group, it's a different coaching staff,
front office, everything else.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
I get that.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
But I still need to see what I have in
Michael Penix. I think the flashes that he's shown at times...
would be enough to let me see, let's see what
we have in him before we want to move on,
despite his injury history, whether that's in college or also
playing in the NFL. So that's one to me where, look,
I understand why you brought Tua in, but he's got
a litany of injuries as well throughout the course of
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his college NFL career. So you'd have to think in mind,
even if you started Michael, an injury is possible and
Tua may eventually come in.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
But I would have started with Michael Penix again if
he was healthy.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It used to be that we had four preseason games.
Now we have three. Trying to figure out who makes
the roster, how tough is it that you don't have
that fourth preseason game?
Speaker 11 (22:37):
I think it's become tougher and tougher depending on how
the coach really looks at you know, their preseason, how
they want to play their starters. If they're a team
that doesn't play the starters, it's not that difficult because
you're giving your backups more of those reps.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
But, you know, back when I was playing, if you look.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
At the kind of old thought to it, usually your
starters were playing throughout those first three games and the
fourth game was for a lot of those guys who.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Were on the cut line. That's just not the case anymore.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
So I think most teams are reluctant to put in
their starters or even for.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
A significant amount of time.
Speaker 11 (23:08):
So because of that, It's not as hard as it
once was, but I do think in a quarterback competition
where it gets tough, and you saw this a little
bit with Cleveland, you're only going to put your ones
out there so much. So Deshaun Watson gets to start,
he gets to play with the ones, and the next
time we come around with if Shador starts. Well, they're
not playing with the ones. You've got backups playing in now.
So is that really a fair way of comparing the
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two quarterbacks? And I'm sure they've gotten plenty of reps
throughout the course of the offseason with the ones, each
of them. But at least from a live game scenario,
you would have liked to be able to have maybe
one more opportunity where you get to see Shandor at
the ones. You get to see what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But I'm curious about that. If you're a coach, how
much are you going to glean from a game in preseason?
or just every single day seeing your quarterback? Like with
the Browns, with Deshaun Watson and Shador, are you really
going to have the decision hinge on how well you
play in a preseason or the preseason games?
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Well, I think two things with that.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
The first is, for a younger player, it matters more
because you have less tape and film of him.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And obviously.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
you know, just in his career, but in particular in
that offense, especially when talking about Cleveland, because it's new
this year.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
So, you know, those reps are even more important for Shador.
But I think the.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
Next thing is the fan base and then the clamoring
and the pressure that comes along with it from the
media and everyone else who, you know, they're already wanting
Shador anyway, because he's the younger quarterback. They kind of
look at what's happened with Deshaun and they're saying themselves, well,
we kind of know what we have in him.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Let's go see what we have in Shador Sanders.
Speaker 11 (24:39):
So, I think when he plays well or if he
looks like he's the better quarterback from that small sample
size we're talking about, that definitely adds to the pressure
that puts on the staff from those external sources. So
I look at it and say it depends. But in
this case, I do think it's part of the equation.
I do think when you've got a younger quarterback that's
involved in the mix, there's no doubt it could play
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a bigger factor than maybe in other quarterback competitions, depending
on the situation.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know the Raiders aren't going to be competing for
a playoff spot. I'm sure they would love to have
something like that. But at what point do you say
when do we put in Mendoza?
Speaker 11 (25:18):
He'd be one that I felt like after watching, and
I never do this, but I'll just admit it. After
watching the first preseason game, I was like, oh, he
should probably be the starter.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
It felt like there's just.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Just watch the zip, you know, the ball come out
of his hand in comparison to Kirk. watching him move
even saying at times him to kind of see the
field move through some of the progressions i was like
all right like why don't we just go ahead and
start the clock on fernando mendoza now like he's the
number one overall pick it's why he's in there i
know a lot of times you want guys to sit
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and watch and learn and especially with a guy like
kurt cousins who's played the league forever so he's a
very pragmatic guy so he'd be a great guy for
young quarterbacks to learn from but i also think he
can be that insurance policy for you where if you
put in Mendoza and he's not coming along the way
you'd like him to you can also give him a
bit of a break or you also have that quarterback
who can kind of be there to help guide him
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along through the entire process but it just it felt
like you know there was there was a bit of
a gap in just the youthfulness from Mendoza and what
he can bring compared to Kirk and that's it's again
it's not a knock on Kirk he's played forever and
he's also been through some injuries too so it's understandable
but I just I I don't know. There's something about
that first impression. And I hate doing that because I
know obviously the second game too, it wasn't quite as
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good as what we saw in the first game, but
it still feels like there's a bit of a gap
there where it's like, all right, let's just go ahead
and take the red shirt off and get this guy going.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay. Did you have the same feeling when you saw
Ty Simpson?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Well, no.
Speaker 11 (26:48):
I mean, he's playing behind the Cavs, the MVP of
the league last year. But he looked.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Really good, though.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
He looked good.
Speaker 11 (26:56):
I think more than anything else, that was like a
win for Les Snead and Sean McVay and everyone else
who was like, why are you taking a first-round quarterback
when you've got the league MVP?
Speaker 7 (27:05):
I was like, no, no, no, no, no. This guy's
like the guy of the future.
Speaker 11 (27:08):
And so I think that was where they got the
win with Ty Simpson. And he displayed a lot of
the things that he displayed previously. at Bama during his
one season starting. But no, that was more of a
front office win, we'll say on that one. They were
peacocking around there in L.A. after that first preseason game
with Ty.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But I look at the Raiders the way I did
the Chiefs, that they had Alex Smith, and you knew Mahomes,
and Andy Reid knew when he saw Mahomes that, okay,
he's not going to start for me, but it won't
be long before he's starting for me, and maybe that's
the situation with Kirk Cousins and Mendoza.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Yeah, and I think, again, I don't know that I'd
look at the Raiders that way, right? Because Alex Smith
was taking the Chiefs to the playoffs. So there was
a standard that was set there, and you probably wanted
to let Patrick Mahomes sit and learn for a minute,
but also grow as the season went along to become
the quarterback that could come in and play the way
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he did, taking care of the football and doing a
better job of that.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
But also, can he play up to that standard?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
And I think, you know, he got a start at
the end of that year and he started to get
a sense by, okay, we know what we've got in
this kid now. We've seen enough in practice on scout team.
We've seen him take one live game. We feel like
he can raise the ceiling of this team. So a
little bit different circumstances when you're comparing it to the Raiders.
Kirk Cousins just got there. I don't know if he's
got that sort of equity buildup. And Clint Kubiak's taken
over a team that they're trying to get to the
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playoffs and be competitive. So I view the circumstances a
bit different, where that's a fan base that is dying
for something. And so Mendoza is that something. And so
when you put him in there and play, it creates
a bit more optimism to me. Whereas the Chiefs are like,
all right, weren't sure how to feel about Mahomes necessarily.
Some people thought that was a reach, obviously. And clearly
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it wasn't. It was just the brilliance of Andy Reid
and his front office. but just different circumstances to me.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I have a friend who's a NFL scout, and I
said to him, I said, this is going to be
a strange question, but if Mendoza had stayed at Cal
and not gone to Indiana, would he have been the
number one player in the draft? And he said no.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
No.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
I mean, like one, how he was viewed to me
as a transfer portal player He was one of the
coveted quarterbacks in that group, but not the most coveted.
Will Howard was one of the more coveted of that group.
When you comb through, Riley Leonard, I believe, was part
of that group. He was one of the more coveted
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of that group. I might be dating myself, too, because
that might have been two years ago now. When you
look through some of these transfer portal players and you're
trying to figure out who makes the most sense, and
I don't just look at Josh Hoover, for example, who
Indiana got this year as their next guy to replace him.
He was someone who caught my attention because he started
playing early at TCU and And then watching him, I
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was like, man, he's got a lot of arm talent.
He's probably the most talented quarterback that Indiana's had as
a transfer coming in. And I would bet if you
asked your friend, he probably has a higher grade on
Josh Hoover than this year coming into Indiana than he
did on whatever Fernando Mendoza was at Cal going into Indiana.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
So the.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Situation, circumstance going to Indiana, winning a Big Ten, winning
a national championship, winning the Heisman, no doubt vaulted him up.
And that's why you're seeing guys like Josh Hoover take
that chance to leave a place where he's been the
starter at TCU. He's put up a bunch of numbers.
but he feels like he can help elevate his draft stock.
And it's no different than with Derry Mensah going to
Miami or any of these other quarterbacks who have transferred
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or are looking for a chance to go win a
national championship because of what that means for your draft
stock and potential chance to land and be the franchise
quarterback of a team.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm going to let you be the GM of the
Arizona Cardinals right now. You have the number one pick
in the draft. You can take Arch Manning or C.J. Carr. C.J. Carr.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
I just, I've seen it for too long, for too long.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
Just how good he is as a passer where his
game's going to translate to the NFL level.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
He's so accurate on all three levels.
Speaker 11 (31:17):
He has been brought up in the game to understand
how to manipulate defenses. He has complete control of the
line of scrimmage, and he's a better athlete moving to create,
to extend plays. And so I'm excited for him, but
I just think it's the sheer matter of when I
saw Arch at the beginning of last year, the second
half of last year, a player who's grown tremendously.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
And I'm excited to see what he's going to do
this year.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
But outside of Dante Moore, like I don't have another
quarterback ranked as high as CJ Carr in next.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Year's draft class.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
How brutal is cut down day?
Speaker 7 (31:53):
It's it's rough. It's rough.
Speaker 11 (31:54):
I mean, I think it used to be tougher in
part because like now these kids coming from college to
the NFL are so transient. So I think they were
used to guys just kind of not being there or
being there one day and not the next. And it
went in phases back then. We went from 90 down to,
I think, to like 75. So then you're a 53-man roster.
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And so it just felt weird when like half your
team was gone at the end of it. And you
weren't really accustomed to that because you didn't have that
in college. You know, it wasn't as transient. You didn't
have cuts. So it was a drastic change. changed from
what you were accustomed to seeing guys on teams all
of a sudden the next day not being there. I
think the crazier thing was how it doesn't really matter.
(32:37):
Like the week one game day roster is what matters right?
And so you would get guys throughout that first week
heading into week one who were kind of on the
back end of the roster.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
You might have some injuries that you needed to fill
in for depth.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
And you'd get guys who are still mixing in and
out of the active roster to the practice squad or
maybe for the practice squad getting moved up and then
guys going elsewhere. So the shuffling throughout that week one
was the crazy part. Like most people don't realize that.
They just think once you make the cut, you're good.
It really takes you until that week one game day roster.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
How many times can you be, I hope you'll be
honest with me, that you, going into the season, you
knew it was going to be bad?
Speaker 11 (33:16):
Well, it depends where you're at, right?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, you were in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Right.
Speaker 11 (33:25):
And so your rookie season, you have no idea because
you don't know what you don't know. The second season,
because we had done well, my first season, we went
10 and 6. So there was high expectations and optimism
for what it was going to be. But then we
ended up being the walking wounded. We had so many
guys getting injured going on IR. So that season went
to crap pretty quick. And then the next year, when
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we started moving on from all the veterans and trading
guys like Braylon Edwards and And I was at Kelman-Winslow
at the time.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
So we didn't have really any experience at wide receiver.
Like you started like, okay, like we'll see how this goes.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
But then you started to understand the importance of having,
you know, veteran guys who had done it, been there before,
understand how to perfect their craft.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
And it's not a knock on the young guys. It's just,
it's the reality of the league.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
You know, if you were working with a co-host that
has never done it before, it's like, yeah, it's going
to take some ironing out the first few weeks to
see how the show goes. But what's interesting about that
is I remember when I got to Seattle in 2013
and And we just were practicing like OTAs. And I
was like, my God, this is the most talented team
I've ever seen. Like there were guys who were second,
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third string that would have been starters elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
And pretty much everyone got cut, ended up landing somewhere else.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
But I mean, it was, that was like one of
those rosters where after I left there, I thought, That's
what it feels like to know that you have a
chance to win a Super Bowl because I've never seen
like as many come.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
And even like when the twos would go against the
ones or the threes against the ones.
Speaker 11 (34:50):
Like you would have like a serious competition and like
guys would be balling out.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
And it didn't matter what string you were like. Everyone
was competing. Everyone was like right there.
Speaker 11 (34:59):
So that was one where it opened my eyes to, man,
it took me seven years to be able to see
what this looks like from like day one of a team.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Good to talk to you. Have fun with the upcoming season.
We'll stay in touch.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Can we do Ireland again sometime?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
We are working on maybe going for the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Oh, okay. Well, I do love golf, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Sure I fit in that one. No, you're still welcome.
Will Ferrell would love to wrestle with you again.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
I see they're panning out, though. They're trying to play
me off, Dan. They're trying to play me out.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Thank you, Brady.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's Brady Quinn, Fox College football analyst. It's like an
actor in a movie where you start to see the script,
and then you start acting, and then you go, this
isn't going to be a good movie. But you have
to do it because you're being paid to do it.
Imagine being the lead actor, and you're going, oh, my God.
(35:57):
Matt Damon didn't mention the movie or movies, but he said, yeah,
there have been times when you're like, this is going
to be terrible. All right, we'll take a break. Play
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The play of the day.
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Left side, go! Play it and play it.
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Check this out.
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Here it comes. There it goes. Line drive.
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Base hit to the left. Here comes Thomas.
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He comes to the plate. The Braves win!
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Ha-Sung Kim mobbed out there on the backs.
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available on Plus and Pro plans. What are the poll
results from the first hour of the program, Dylan?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
We haven't put one up yet, Dan, but we can
right now.
Speaker 11 (37:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Got a couple ideas.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Obviously, a lot of pro bowl, all pro talk.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Would you rather be a 10-time pro bowler, say, a
la Russell Wilson, or a five-time all pro?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Five-time all pro.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
The caveat is, I guess, there's the implied value that
you had at least a 10-year NFL career if you're
the 10-time pro bowler.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
If you're all pro five times, you've got a great
chance of making the Hall of Fame based off of that.
10-time Pro Bowl. See, once again, if you do a
deeper dive on the Pro Bowl, those named to the
first team, and then you have the replacements, then it's different.
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If you're the sixth best quarterback, are you really a
Pro Bowl quarterback? That's part of the problem that I
had with the Pro Bowl, that it should have been
one designation. So when that showed up on your resume,
it meant something. It means something. Now it doesn't. You know,
for years, it feels like it's just been diluted. Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
What if it's five-time second-team All-Pro?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I'd still take that. Over ten-time Pro Bowler? Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Just to give you an example, a couple guys who
are five-time first-team All-Pro. Derek Brooks, the linebacker of Tampa.
Earl Thomas, the Seahawks. Ed Reed, five times. And now, like,
nine Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And those are all Hall of Famers. Chris in Syracuse.
Good morning, Chris. Lead us off.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Hey, thanks, Danny. I've got a couple things to throw
at you. Yeah, I like the NFL eliminating the Pro
Bowl game. At least now all the best players in
the NFL will be named to the team. It's better
than when there was a game and a ton of
guys opted out. And I'm sure the NFL will try
to turn the announcement of the rosters into must-see TV.
But unless people can bet on it, I doubt that
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it will be very successful. And typical Wayne Kiffin, a
few days ago, he said he doesn't think it's right
that players should be able to come back to college
after being on an NFL roster at training camp. But
if they are allowed, he'll certainly go after them. And now,
after yesterday's ruling by the SEC that they will not
allow it, he's imploring these players to sue and go
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to court so they can go back to school and
play ball. I mean, every time you think Lane Kiffin
is the shellest coach in football, he managed to drain
a little bit more out of the pool.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, but here's the thing, and thank you, Chris. If
Lane Kiffin, they allow those players to play and you're
Lane Kiffin, he doesn't care. He wants to win. It's
like Will Wade, the basketball coach. I mean, these guys
didn't make up the rules. Now, sometimes they bend the
rules or with Will Wade, they flat out break the rules.
(40:08):
But I mean, I think you got a situation on
the LSU basketball team with Kim Mulkey that I think
she had a player from Russia who And a player
from Ukraine. How could that possibly go wrong if they're
on the roster together? A player from Russia and a
player from Ukraine. Yes, Paulie.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Yeah, the player from Ukraine left after the LSU player
from Russia joined the team.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah. Immediately. You got to read the room there. Yes, Todd.
Speaker 12 (40:44):
Is that the right thing to do without getting to
know that person? And they may have absolutely nothing to
do with the politics of what's going on in the world.
Because there are people in countries that don't like each
other that find a way to get along.
Speaker 7 (40:54):
Teammates, it's happened in the past.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know what you talk about in your idle
time there.
Speaker 12 (40:59):
We have to hang out together and be best friends
and grab lunch, but you're on the same team trying
to win.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
You're on the same team. You do have to hang out.
Paulie's in the confessional. Jason Garrett, hour two.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Everybody's here. Back row with Todd, the Minister of Humor.
Dylan is here. Also, Marv and Paulie up front. Yours truly, Ann.
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couple of headlines here. We got preseason football coming up tonight.
This is the third and final game. Used to be
the fourth game would be the final game of the preseason.
You got Steelers and the Bills. You got the Patriots
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and the Browns. The Niners and the Raiders. Rams and
the Chargers. Now, Used to be you were trying to
figure out who the starting quarterback would be if there
was some doubt, like who's starting the final preseason game.
Feels like if you're starting the final preseason game at quarterback,
you're probably not the starting quarterback for your team. But
(01:53):
we'll talk to Brady Quinn about that, former quarterback, and
also Jason Garrett as well. The NFL said goodbye to
the Pro Bowl games. Yep. Said goodbye. That's it. Now,
don't be up in arms about this. Don't be like, oh,
my God, they're going to get rid of the Pro Bowl.
They got rid of the Pro Bowl a long time ago.
When you start to do those competitions, you bring the
(02:15):
athletes in. You know, I'm trying to figure out why
would you do this? Because the NFL usually what they
sprinkle their magic dust on gets ratings, makes money. This
was something we just didn't care about. It was being
forced down our throat. Hey, the Pro Bowl. OK, I
only care who gets mentioned, who gets named to first
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team Pro Bowl. That's it. And that's what I keep saying.
The designation gets diluted when somebody says, hey, Vince Young,
Pro Bowl quarterback. I said, was he like the third
or fourth alternate? So it doesn't mean anything. All pro
is what means something. But if you're first team pro bowl,
I'm fine with that designation. Put that on your resume.
(03:00):
Now we're going to get rid of that. And maybe
it's cost cutting. Maybe it's nobody's watching. Maybe, hey, how
about player safety? Maybe something like that. And I don't
know if I'll get a straight answer from the NFL.
And maybe it's just, okay, we tried everything. We brought
(03:20):
in Peyton and Eli. That didn't work either. Omaha Productions,
that didn't work either. Maybe we just say, how about
we have a night where we name our Pro Bowl team?
Maybe something like that. I don't know if anybody cares
about that. They don't do that for the All-Pro, and
the All-Pro is what means something. If you're All-Pro, you
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put that right up top on your resume. Pro Bowl,
not the same. But the games... Do you remember when
Max Crosby was with us? In fact, can we find that, Marvin,
with Max Crosby? Now, do we have that? Nope. Working
on it now. Yeah, let's get that. Because Max Crosby
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was on the show, I don't know, maybe five years ago.
And all of a sudden, the game changed after halftime
or third quarter. And then all of a sudden, it
was like I tuned in because Paulie said, hey, Pro Bowl.
And I'm like, no, you're not going to get me
to tune into the Pro Bowl. He goes, tune into
the Pro Bowl. I go, okay. And it looked like
(04:25):
you had grown men slow dancing with each other. There's
more contact on Dancing with the Stars than there was
on that Pro Bowl game. That's when it changed. That's
when I went, okay, the players don't want to be
out there. And I don't blame them. Look at the
injuries that we have in preseason, in training camp, during
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the season. Now I'm going to say to you, hey,
how about $ 25, 000, $ 30, 000 to go out there and play
in a Pro Bowl game that doesn't mean anything? Who's
with me? No. Wait. Who's with me? No. Nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Nobody at all. Nobody at all.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Come on. Who's with me?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Nobody.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Okay. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That was the Pro Bowl enthusiasm that players had also.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But that's when it changed for me. I mean, I
go back to Sean Taylor when he had a devastating
hit in a Pro Bowl game. I remember talking to
Dan Marino. I said, you know, you get named to
the Pro Bowl, you don't play. He goes, no, I
don't want to play. I want to go to Hawaii.
They would go to Hawaii. They'd say, bring your family out.
Nobody wanted to play. And I don't blame them because
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after 17 games, well, 16 games, Back then, you're like
the last thing you want to do is go out
there and worry about somebody trying to make a name
for themselves with a cheap shot there. Or something accidental happens.
So we say goodbye to the Pro Bowl. I don't
know if they replace it with anything. Now, the skills competition,
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dodgeball with 300-pound linemen out there, was kind of funny. Like,
I would like to have guys who don't do that
for a living say, So you get linemen who are
going to be quarterbacks, or you get quarterbacks who are
going to be wide receivers, or somebody's going to be
a kicker who's not normally a kicker. If you want
to make it fun and laugh at it, but there's
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a lot of resume. Shador Sanders was a Pro Bowl quarterback.
He was part of the Pro Bowl games nomination. Who's
our favorite?
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Hundley.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Tyler Hundley?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Tyler Hundley was a Pro Bowl games quarterback without playing, really,
during the regular season.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, played a couple of games. You have to fill
out the roster. And that's why when I look at
these resumes and I go, well, wait a minute. Russell
Wilson was a Pro Bowl quarterback 10 years. How many
of those times was he the first quarterback or second quarterback,
or was he just an alternate? So this affects Hall
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of Fame resumes because sometimes you'll look at the Pro
Bowl and you'll go, man, that guy eight-time Pro Bowl. Yeah,
but four times he was an alternate. It's not the same. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Vince Young has played in more Pro Bowls than Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's played in actual games. Correct.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
These guys don't want to be named. They want to
be named because there's probably a bonus. They don't want
to play in the game. So it's kind of hard
to go, hey, tune in. These guys are really going
to kind of sort of go at it. Hey, how
about flag football? Well, I understand that because the NFL
is trying to expand globally and they're going to do
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it flag football wise. So if the pros are playing
flag football and then there's going to be an Olympic
flag football, that makes a lot of sense. We still
didn't care about flag football. Now, we will once we
get to the Olympics, and other countries will be able
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to field a flag football team a whole lot easier
than a regular football team. So there will be interest
in that. But the NFL, and I don't know if
the NFL would be honest with me. I mean, we
can ask. Commissioner's not going to come on. But if
he did, why are we doing away with it now?
(08:20):
What was the tipping point where you go, you know what?
That's it. We're done with the Pro Bowl. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I went back and looked at that game you mentioned.
It was after the 2021 season, the last active, air quotes,
Pro Bowl. The first quarter, it looks like a football game,
a light football game. And then they start just standing
up and letting the running back walk, and they kind
of grab him. And in the second half, it became,
like you said, a dance contest. And I'm looking at
some of the articles and response the next day.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Travesty.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
No effort.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
NFL is a money-making machine. So if they think they
can make a larger profit on something, they're going to
do it. Maybe that's why they looked at the Pro
Bowl and they said, all right, ratings aren't good. People
aren't watching. Nobody cares. Let's try to do something else. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We actually were in attendance for the Pro Bowl games.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
In San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
In San Francisco.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
And had I known it would be the last one,
I think I would have savored it a little more, Dan.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But weren't they in a ballroom?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It was like a... A room in the convention center.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Convention center.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Also, we were asking a lot of questions about the
electrical substation, and is it a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That they're not doing the games anymore? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well, that was just San Francisco. The game's not always
in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I know, but that was the last one.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah. Well, RIP. You were there. You got to talk
to Shador Sanders, Pro Bowl quarterback that day, didn't you?
We did.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Marvin and I did.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Do you have to refer to him as that? Okay,
let's say 10 years down the road, Shador Sanders is
going to be a TV analyst on the mothership. Do
they introduce him as former Pro Bowl quarterback Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Like how far do we stretch this that Vince Young
is technically a Pro Bowl quarterback? Two time. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Randomly, I was looking up the 2004 Pro Bowl because
that's what I do in my spare time.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Legit, I do.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So the starting quarterback is Dante Culpepper, and there's two
reserves from the NFC, Brett Favre and Donovan McNabb. Both
of those guys were injured, quote-unquote. The alternates were Matt
Hasselbeck and Mark Bolger.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Here is Max Crosby on the show talking about the
Pro Bowl. Honestly, there wasn't an agreement.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
Once the game started, I got off the ball, and
I noticed everyone was kind of moving in slow motion.
So I was trying to, like, act in a way
to try to, you know, But as the game went on,
you know, there was a big bonus.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, you know, Vrabel is a competitive guy. He wanted
to win.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
Everybody on our team was like, all right, we're going
to like kind of go with the flow. But we
wanted to win. So, yeah, you know, there's a couple
of third downs and fourth downs where we kind of
were rushing a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And Max Crosby, you can't have him play in a
game without him being Max Crosby. I think he was
defensive player of the year in the game because he's
the one defensive player who was trying. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (11:13):
So I think, like, when you were talking about the
Pro Bowl versus All-Pro thing, I think to get a
better reading on, like, a player's resume is you have
to compare the number of Pro Bowls and the All-Pros,
sort of like the inverse ratio between the two. Like,
if it's nine and two second-team All-Pros or nine and, like,
four second-team, four first-team All-Pros, then you're like, okay, that's the.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Okay, but can we look at Russell Wilson of how
many times was he an alternate? Like, what is the
true designation of you're a Pro Bowl quarterback without it being,
we couldn't get anybody, so now we have, you're our
fourth choice, our fifth choice. Yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
So the average person will have to dive into that.
It's not readily available. If you look at profootballreference.com, which
has everything, they list Russell Wilson as a Pro Bowler,
and every year it just says PB. It does not
give you the details behind it. And so what's happened, though,
in the past five years with the Pro Bowl games,
they don't split between the Pro Bowl honor that everyone
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gets every year and a participant in the Pro Bowl game.
So on your resume, Pro Bowl games participant makes you
into a Pro Bowler, like you said.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, that's the problem that I have with this. There
is one Pro Bowl team, offense and defense, and that's
the designation that should be on your resume, not the
other part of this. Just going there to fill out
a roster or be part of the skills competition doesn't
make you a Pro Bowl quarterback. And that's the problem
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that I have. If you want to do the skills competition,
even do the game, be fair to those who are
truly Pro Bowl quarterbacks or other positions here. Because this
helps you get into the Hall of Fame. And a
lot of people won't sort through this and go, well,
how many times were you the fifth alternate here? Be like, man,
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Pro Bowl quarterback. All right. Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
I do see Max Crosby was talking about wanting to
win that bonus. So for the last Pro Bowl, the
last one ever, the winners, the Pro Bowl games, I
should say, the winners got 96 grand and the losers
got 48 grand. And that total is supposed to go up.
until the 2030 season when the winners would get 116,000
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and the losers would get 58,000.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Now, that's obviously not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Russell Wilson is a 10-time Pro Bowler. Five of those
came as an alternate or injury replacement for someone who
tapped out.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, so that dilutes it. But, you know, when we
talk about Pro Bowl, and then we'll be, hey, Russell Wilson,
Hall of Famer. And we brought this up before. I
didn't know how many times he was an alternate. So
10 makes you a Hall of Famer. Five does not.
And maybe we should be looking at the five as
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opposed to the ten. Look at me. I'm all fired
up for the Pro Bowl. You know what really drew
my ire? The Pro Bowl. We got rid of the
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
How dare they?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, Mark.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, for context purposes, Russell Wilson's first Pro Bowl was
in 2012. Aaron Rodgers was the starting quarterback in the
two reserves or Matt Ryan and Robert Griffin III. All
three of them did not play because of injury. The
three alternates, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, then Russell Wilson. So
he's basically number six on that list.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, see, it just has a different designation to it,
a different value to it. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Yeah, and talking about that sort of inverse ratio between
Pro Bowl and All-Pro, Russ was a 10-time Pro Bowler.
He was a one-time second-team All-Pro in 2019.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All-Pro, that's what you want. You get that, you get four,
five All-Pros, that puts you in Hall of Fame consideration.
All right, we'll come up with a play of the
day a little bit later on. We have a poll question.
We'll settle in on your phone calls. Up next, we'll
talk to Brady Quinn, Fox Sports, right after this.
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Pros and a Cup of Joe. You'll hear that show
preceding ours on a lot of the radio networks and
the former Notre Dame quarterback. The Pro Bowl is finally
going away because?
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Well, Dan, first off, thanks for having me.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
I wish we were back in Ireland together like we
were a few years back, where I was trying to
pull Will Ferrell's pants up high like he used to
mimic me. The Pro Bowl's going away because there is,
and I don't know exactly when it happened, but the
All-Star Games, and in particular in the NFL, and you
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could even make the case for the NBA, They've lacked
the sort of competitiveness that I think fans want to
see when you get the best amongst the best. And
I want to say there was a transition after Jordan,
after Kobe, to where things started to kind of become
a little bit more friendly in the NBA. And I
think you saw that too at some point in the NFL,
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maybe about the same time. But I also feel like
the move from Hawaii, where it truly was a reward
for those players, kind of did it in. I mean,
you hear guys talk about it. I was never fortunate
enough to go to one, but the players, the coaches,
the people who talked about it, it really was a
reward for them. And the second you moved it away
from that, and I don't know if that was a
cost-cutting measure or what the conclusion was, but that started
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to be the beginning of the end for it. So
that would... I mean, bring it back to Hawaii. If
you wanted to have something, maybe guys would play more competitively,
but I do know there were still some games there
where it wasn't quite the same as it used to be.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, and I don't blame the players... Because you've had
a grueling season. I mean, guys are getting injured in
training camp. And now you're going to go out there
and kind of go through the motions? It's just unfair
to ask that. I've never been a fan of the
Pro Bowl, but even the skills competition. I mean, it's filler.
But usually what the NFL touches turns to gold. They
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just couldn't make this work, even with Eli and Peyton
Manning coming in overseeing this.
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Yeah, and again, Usually everything they touch turns to gold,
but this is one where they kind of lost sight
of the fact that they've got so many stars in
that are a part of this, but they just couldn't
figure out a way of incentivizing them to put forth
that same effort.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
And you're right.
Speaker 11 (18:26):
Maybe it's just the fact that the contracts and the
money is so big now in the NFL that it just,
it never could be what it once was. Cause there's
just no way of compensating the players to give that
all out effort and not having them worry about their
long-term risks. And we've got examples of guys who've gotten
injured playing in the pro bowl and they've come back
and said, like, it's just, it's just not worth it.
You know, I can't let one game end up being
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a detriment to the rest of my career. One game that's,
kind of insignificant, if we're really being honest, it'd be
a detriment to the rest of their career.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
So I just think the risk started to outweigh the
reward as well. And there's no.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
Insurance policy big enough, maybe unless the NFL was going
to pay for it, that would net out the reward
of what that would be if you did face an
injury in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
But the Pro Bowl is part of your Hall of
Fame resume. Guys have gotten in because of Pro Bowl appearances.
I look at Russell Wilson. I'm going to single him
out just because I think he'll be on, you know,
kind of on the cusp of being a Hall of Famer.
Ten Pro Bowls, five were legitimate. The other five, that's
where you're a fifth or sixth alternate. So that changes
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the 10-time Pro Bowl quarterback. And granted, if he wins
that second Super Bowl, he's in. But I don't know
if that's going to affect resumes looking at the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Well, look, I'm not a voter.
Speaker 11 (19:47):
I think when you talk to players who went to
the Pro Bowl, one of the things they would always
say is they looked at the guys who were alternates different.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
They kind of looked at them as, LeVar Arrington and
I were just talking about this this morning.
Speaker 11 (19:57):
He said, look, after he'd gone there once, his second
time around when the alternates walked in, he'd be like, hey, man,
good for you. You were able to make it here
with us. And you would hear that a little bit too.
And even the tough thing about Pro Bowls, and I
don't know how many players are willing to admit this,
but We had this conversation, like once you got in,
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especially for certain positions, you could talk about like the line.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
It was kind of like the next year, be like, oh,
he's having a decent season, right?
Speaker 10 (20:26):
All right.
Speaker 11 (20:26):
Well, he made it last year. So we'll vote him
in this year. Or remember that big hit he had?
And it looks like he's having a good season. He's
been in a couple of Pro Bowls now. He should
go in again. So it's kind of one of those deals, too,
where when you talk about a Hall of Fame resume,
I would venture to say most voters look at all
pros more than anything else, since that really differentiates the
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best of the best amongst that group. You should have
more guys who can qualify for a Pro Bowl. But
also just because I think there's a little bit of
a thought with the alternate situation slash, you know, just again,
once you get in, it's like, well, now it's just
expected every single time that you're up for it.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
He's having an average season, but we'll just go ahead
and throw him in there as well.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Talking to Brady Quinn, Fox College football analyst, two pros
and a cup of joe, co-host of that. Let's go
down a couple of these quarterback situations. I don't know
if they're true competitions, but if you ran the Falcons,
your starting quarterback in week one is going to be?
Speaker 11 (21:22):
Well, right now it's Tua. Is Michael Peck healthy enough
to start? So really, that's the first question you have
to answer.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But is that the only reason why Tua will be
starting is because Michael Peck isn't healthy?
Speaker 7 (21:34):
It sounds that way.
Speaker 11 (21:35):
If it was up to me if Michael Penix was healthy,
I would have to see what I have in Michael Penix.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I spent a first-round draft pick on him.
Speaker 11 (21:42):
I understand that entire group, it's a different coaching staff,
front office, everything else.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
I get that.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
But I still need to see what I have in
Michael Penix. I think the flashes that he's shown at times...
would be enough to let me see, let's see what
we have in him before we want to move on,
despite his injury history, whether that's in college or also
playing in the NFL. So that's one to me where, look,
I understand why you brought Tua in, but he's got
a litany of injuries as well throughout the course of
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his college NFL career. So you'd have to think in mind,
even if you started Michael, an injury is possible and
Tua may eventually come in.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
But I would have started with Michael Penix again if
he was healthy.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It used to be that we had four preseason games.
Now we have three. Trying to figure out who makes
the roster, how tough is it that you don't have
that fourth preseason game?
Speaker 11 (22:37):
I think it's become tougher and tougher depending on how
the coach really looks at you know, their preseason, how
they want to play their starters. If they're a team
that doesn't play the starters, it's not that difficult because
you're giving your backups more of those reps.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
But, you know, back when I was playing, if you look.
Speaker 11 (22:53):
At the kind of old thought to it, usually your
starters were playing throughout those first three games and the
fourth game was for a lot of those guys who.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Were on the cut line. That's just not the case anymore.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
So I think most teams are reluctant to put in
their starters or even for.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
A significant amount of time.
Speaker 11 (23:08):
So because of that, It's not as hard as it
once was, but I do think in a quarterback competition
where it gets tough, and you saw this a little
bit with Cleveland, you're only going to put your ones
out there so much. So Deshaun Watson gets to start,
he gets to play with the ones, and the next
time we come around with if Shador starts. Well, they're
not playing with the ones. You've got backups playing in now.
So is that really a fair way of comparing the
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two quarterbacks? And I'm sure they've gotten plenty of reps
throughout the course of the offseason with the ones, each
of them. But at least from a live game scenario,
you would have liked to be able to have maybe
one more opportunity where you get to see Shandor at
the ones. You get to see what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
But I'm curious about that. If you're a coach, how
much are you going to glean from a game in preseason?
or just every single day seeing your quarterback? Like with
the Browns, with Deshaun Watson and Shador, are you really
going to have the decision hinge on how well you
play in a preseason or the preseason games?
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Well, I think two things with that.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
The first is, for a younger player, it matters more
because you have less tape and film of him.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
And obviously.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
you know, just in his career, but in particular in
that offense, especially when talking about Cleveland, because it's new
this year.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
So, you know, those reps are even more important for Shador.
But I think the.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
Next thing is the fan base and then the clamoring
and the pressure that comes along with it from the
media and everyone else who, you know, they're already wanting
Shador anyway, because he's the younger quarterback. They kind of
look at what's happened with Deshaun and they're saying themselves, well,
we kind of know what we have in him.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Let's go see what we have in Shador Sanders.
Speaker 11 (24:39):
So, I think when he plays well or if he
looks like he's the better quarterback from that small sample
size we're talking about, that definitely adds to the pressure
that puts on the staff from those external sources. So
I look at it and say it depends. But in
this case, I do think it's part of the equation.
I do think when you've got a younger quarterback that's
involved in the mix, there's no doubt it could play
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a bigger factor than maybe in other quarterback competitions, depending
on the situation.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know the Raiders aren't going to be competing for
a playoff spot. I'm sure they would love to have
something like that. But at what point do you say
when do we put in Mendoza?
Speaker 11 (25:18):
He'd be one that I felt like after watching, and
I never do this, but I'll just admit it. After
watching the first preseason game, I was like, oh, he
should probably be the starter.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
It felt like there's just.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Just watch the zip, you know, the ball come out
of his hand in comparison to Kirk. watching him move
even saying at times him to kind of see the
field move through some of the progressions i was like
all right like why don't we just go ahead and
start the clock on fernando mendoza now like he's the
number one overall pick it's why he's in there i
know a lot of times you want guys to sit
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and watch and learn and especially with a guy like
kurt cousins who's played the league forever so he's a
very pragmatic guy so he'd be a great guy for
young quarterbacks to learn from but i also think he
can be that insurance policy for you where if you
put in Mendoza and he's not coming along the way
you'd like him to you can also give him a
bit of a break or you also have that quarterback
who can kind of be there to help guide him
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along through the entire process but it just it felt
like you know there was there was a bit of
a gap in just the youthfulness from Mendoza and what
he can bring compared to Kirk and that's it's again
it's not a knock on Kirk he's played forever and
he's also been through some injuries too so it's understandable
but I just I I don't know. There's something about
that first impression. And I hate doing that because I
know obviously the second game too, it wasn't quite as
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good as what we saw in the first game, but
it still feels like there's a bit of a gap
there where it's like, all right, let's just go ahead
and take the red shirt off and get this guy going.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay. Did you have the same feeling when you saw
Ty Simpson?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Well, no.
Speaker 11 (26:48):
I mean, he's playing behind the Cavs, the MVP of
the league last year. But he looked.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Really good, though.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
He looked good.
Speaker 11 (26:56):
I think more than anything else, that was like a
win for Les Snead and Sean McVay and everyone else
who was like, why are you taking a first-round quarterback
when you've got the league MVP?
Speaker 7 (27:05):
I was like, no, no, no, no, no. This guy's
like the guy of the future.
Speaker 11 (27:08):
And so I think that was where they got the
win with Ty Simpson. And he displayed a lot of
the things that he displayed previously. at Bama during his
one season starting. But no, that was more of a
front office win, we'll say on that one. They were
peacocking around there in L.A. after that first preseason game
with Ty.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But I look at the Raiders the way I did
the Chiefs, that they had Alex Smith, and you knew Mahomes,
and Andy Reid knew when he saw Mahomes that, okay,
he's not going to start for me, but it won't
be long before he's starting for me, and maybe that's
the situation with Kirk Cousins and Mendoza.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Yeah, and I think, again, I don't know that I'd
look at the Raiders that way, right? Because Alex Smith
was taking the Chiefs to the playoffs. So there was
a standard that was set there, and you probably wanted
to let Patrick Mahomes sit and learn for a minute,
but also grow as the season went along to become
the quarterback that could come in and play the way
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he did, taking care of the football and doing a
better job of that.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
But also, can he play up to that standard?
Speaker 11 (28:10):
And I think, you know, he got a start at
the end of that year and he started to get
a sense by, okay, we know what we've got in
this kid now. We've seen enough in practice on scout team.
We've seen him take one live game. We feel like
he can raise the ceiling of this team. So a
little bit different circumstances when you're comparing it to the Raiders.
Kirk Cousins just got there. I don't know if he's
got that sort of equity buildup. And Clint Kubiak's taken
over a team that they're trying to get to the
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playoffs and be competitive. So I view the circumstances a
bit different, where that's a fan base that is dying
for something. And so Mendoza is that something. And so
when you put him in there and play, it creates
a bit more optimism to me. Whereas the Chiefs are like,
all right, weren't sure how to feel about Mahomes necessarily.
Some people thought that was a reach, obviously. And clearly
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it wasn't. It was just the brilliance of Andy Reid
and his front office. but just different circumstances to me.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I have a friend who's a NFL scout, and I
said to him, I said, this is going to be
a strange question, but if Mendoza had stayed at Cal
and not gone to Indiana, would he have been the
number one player in the draft? And he said no.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
No.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
I mean, like one, how he was viewed to me
as a transfer portal player He was one of the
coveted quarterbacks in that group, but not the most coveted.
Will Howard was one of the more coveted of that group.
When you comb through, Riley Leonard, I believe, was part
of that group. He was one of the more coveted
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of that group. I might be dating myself, too, because
that might have been two years ago now. When you
look through some of these transfer portal players and you're
trying to figure out who makes the most sense, and
I don't just look at Josh Hoover, for example, who
Indiana got this year as their next guy to replace him.
He was someone who caught my attention because he started
playing early at TCU and And then watching him, I
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was like, man, he's got a lot of arm talent.
He's probably the most talented quarterback that Indiana's had as
a transfer coming in. And I would bet if you
asked your friend, he probably has a higher grade on
Josh Hoover than this year coming into Indiana than he
did on whatever Fernando Mendoza was at Cal going into Indiana.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
So the.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Situation, circumstance going to Indiana, winning a Big Ten, winning
a national championship, winning the Heisman, no doubt vaulted him up.
And that's why you're seeing guys like Josh Hoover take
that chance to leave a place where he's been the
starter at TCU. He's put up a bunch of numbers.
but he feels like he can help elevate his draft stock.
And it's no different than with Derry Mensah going to
Miami or any of these other quarterbacks who have transferred
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or are looking for a chance to go win a
national championship because of what that means for your draft
stock and potential chance to land and be the franchise
quarterback of a team.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm going to let you be the GM of the
Arizona Cardinals right now. You have the number one pick
in the draft. You can take Arch Manning or C.J. Carr. C.J. Carr.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
I just, I've seen it for too long, for too long.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
Just how good he is as a passer where his
game's going to translate to the NFL level.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
He's so accurate on all three levels.
Speaker 11 (31:17):
He has been brought up in the game to understand
how to manipulate defenses. He has complete control of the
line of scrimmage, and he's a better athlete moving to create,
to extend plays. And so I'm excited for him, but
I just think it's the sheer matter of when I
saw Arch at the beginning of last year, the second
half of last year, a player who's grown tremendously.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
And I'm excited to see what he's going to do
this year.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
But outside of Dante Moore, like I don't have another
quarterback ranked as high as CJ Carr in next.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Year's draft class.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
How brutal is cut down day?
Speaker 7 (31:53):
It's it's rough. It's rough.
Speaker 11 (31:54):
I mean, I think it used to be tougher in
part because like now these kids coming from college to
the NFL are so transient. So I think they were
used to guys just kind of not being there or
being there one day and not the next. And it
went in phases back then. We went from 90 down to,
I think, to like 75. So then you're a 53-man roster.
(32:15):
And so it just felt weird when like half your
team was gone at the end of it. And you
weren't really accustomed to that because you didn't have that
in college. You know, it wasn't as transient. You didn't
have cuts. So it was a drastic change. changed from
what you were accustomed to seeing guys on teams all
of a sudden the next day not being there. I
think the crazier thing was how it doesn't really matter.
(32:37):
Like the week one game day roster is what matters right?
And so you would get guys throughout that first week
heading into week one who were kind of on the
back end of the roster.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
You might have some injuries that you needed to fill
in for depth.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
And you'd get guys who are still mixing in and
out of the active roster to the practice squad or
maybe for the practice squad getting moved up and then
guys going elsewhere. So the shuffling throughout that week one
was the crazy part. Like most people don't realize that.
They just think once you make the cut, you're good.
It really takes you until that week one game day roster.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
How many times can you be, I hope you'll be
honest with me, that you, going into the season, you
knew it was going to be bad?
Speaker 11 (33:16):
Well, it depends where you're at, right?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Well, you were in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Right.
Speaker 11 (33:25):
And so your rookie season, you have no idea because
you don't know what you don't know. The second season,
because we had done well, my first season, we went
10 and 6. So there was high expectations and optimism
for what it was going to be. But then we
ended up being the walking wounded. We had so many
guys getting injured going on IR. So that season went
to crap pretty quick. And then the next year, when
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we started moving on from all the veterans and trading
guys like Braylon Edwards and And I was at Kelman-Winslow
at the time.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
So we didn't have really any experience at wide receiver.
Like you started like, okay, like we'll see how this goes.
Speaker 11 (33:57):
But then you started to understand the importance of having,
you know, veteran guys who had done it, been there before,
understand how to perfect their craft.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
And it's not a knock on the young guys. It's just,
it's the reality of the league.
Speaker 11 (34:06):
You know, if you were working with a co-host that
has never done it before, it's like, yeah, it's going
to take some ironing out the first few weeks to
see how the show goes. But what's interesting about that
is I remember when I got to Seattle in 2013
and And we just were practicing like OTAs. And I
was like, my God, this is the most talented team
I've ever seen. Like there were guys who were second,
(34:28):
third string that would have been starters elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
And pretty much everyone got cut, ended up landing somewhere else.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
But I mean, it was, that was like one of
those rosters where after I left there, I thought, That's
what it feels like to know that you have a
chance to win a Super Bowl because I've never seen
like as many come.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
And even like when the twos would go against the
ones or the threes against the ones.
Speaker 11 (34:50):
Like you would have like a serious competition and like
guys would be balling out.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
And it didn't matter what string you were like. Everyone
was competing. Everyone was like right there.
Speaker 11 (34:59):
So that was one where it opened my eyes to, man,
it took me seven years to be able to see
what this looks like from like day one of a team.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Good to talk to you. Have fun with the upcoming season.
We'll stay in touch.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Can we do Ireland again sometime?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
We are working on maybe going for the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Oh, okay. Well, I do love golf, but I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Sure I fit in that one. No, you're still welcome.
Will Ferrell would love to wrestle with you again.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
I see they're panning out, though. They're trying to play
me off, Dan. They're trying to play me out.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Thank you, Brady.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's Brady Quinn, Fox College football analyst. It's like an
actor in a movie where you start to see the script,
and then you start acting, and then you go, this
isn't going to be a good movie. But you have
to do it because you're being paid to do it.
Imagine being the lead actor, and you're going, oh, my God.
(35:57):
Matt Damon didn't mention the movie or movies, but he said, yeah,
there have been times when you're like, this is going
to be terrible. All right, we'll take a break. Play
of the day next.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
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Speaker 5 (36:17):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
The play of the day.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Left side, go! Play it and play it.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
Check this out.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Here it comes. There it goes. Line drive.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Base hit to the left. Here comes Thomas.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
He comes to the plate. The Braves win!
Speaker 10 (36:36):
Ha-Sung Kim mobbed out there on the backs.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
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available on Plus and Pro plans. What are the poll
results from the first hour of the program, Dylan?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
We haven't put one up yet, Dan, but we can
right now.
Speaker 11 (37:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Got a couple ideas.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Obviously, a lot of pro bowl, all pro talk.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Would you rather be a 10-time pro bowler, say, a
la Russell Wilson, or a five-time all pro?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Five-time all pro.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
The caveat is, I guess, there's the implied value that
you had at least a 10-year NFL career if you're
the 10-time pro bowler.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
If you're all pro five times, you've got a great
chance of making the Hall of Fame based off of that.
10-time Pro Bowl. See, once again, if you do a
deeper dive on the Pro Bowl, those named to the
first team, and then you have the replacements, then it's different.
(38:04):
If you're the sixth best quarterback, are you really a
Pro Bowl quarterback? That's part of the problem that I
had with the Pro Bowl, that it should have been
one designation. So when that showed up on your resume,
it meant something. It means something. Now it doesn't. You know,
for years, it feels like it's just been diluted. Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
What if it's five-time second-team All-Pro?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I'd still take that. Over ten-time Pro Bowler? Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Just to give you an example, a couple guys who
are five-time first-team All-Pro. Derek Brooks, the linebacker of Tampa.
Earl Thomas, the Seahawks. Ed Reed, five times. And now, like,
nine Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And those are all Hall of Famers. Chris in Syracuse.
Good morning, Chris. Lead us off.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Hey, thanks, Danny. I've got a couple things to throw
at you. Yeah, I like the NFL eliminating the Pro
Bowl game. At least now all the best players in
the NFL will be named to the team. It's better
than when there was a game and a ton of
guys opted out. And I'm sure the NFL will try
to turn the announcement of the rosters into must-see TV.
But unless people can bet on it, I doubt that
(39:15):
it will be very successful. And typical Wayne Kiffin, a
few days ago, he said he doesn't think it's right
that players should be able to come back to college
after being on an NFL roster at training camp. But
if they are allowed, he'll certainly go after them. And now,
after yesterday's ruling by the SEC that they will not
allow it, he's imploring these players to sue and go
(39:37):
to court so they can go back to school and
play ball. I mean, every time you think Lane Kiffin
is the shellest coach in football, he managed to drain
a little bit more out of the pool.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, but here's the thing, and thank you, Chris. If
Lane Kiffin, they allow those players to play and you're
Lane Kiffin, he doesn't care. He wants to win. It's
like Will Wade, the basketball coach. I mean, these guys
didn't make up the rules. Now, sometimes they bend the
rules or with Will Wade, they flat out break the rules.
(40:08):
But I mean, I think you got a situation on
the LSU basketball team with Kim Mulkey that I think
she had a player from Russia who And a player
from Ukraine. How could that possibly go wrong if they're
on the roster together? A player from Russia and a
player from Ukraine. Yes, Paulie.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Yeah, the player from Ukraine left after the LSU player
from Russia joined the team.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah. Immediately. You got to read the room there. Yes, Todd.
Speaker 12 (40:44):
Is that the right thing to do without getting to
know that person? And they may have absolutely nothing to
do with the politics of what's going on in the world.
Because there are people in countries that don't like each
other that find a way to get along.
Speaker 7 (40:54):
Teammates, it's happened in the past.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know what you talk about in your idle
time there.
Speaker 12 (40:59):
We have to hang out together and be best friends
and grab lunch, but you're on the same team trying
to win.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
You're on the same team. You do have to hang out.
Paulie's in the confessional. Jason Garrett, hour two.
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