September 3, 2026 • 41 mins
Dan reacts to the punishment handed down by the NBA to Steve Ballmer and the Los Angeles Clippers as they lose picks, money and receive suspension for circumventing the salary cap to pay Kawhi Leonard. And former Steelers HC and now broadcaster Mike Tomlin joins Dan to discuss the transition from coaching to the booth, how he views the impact of Aaron Donald on the football field and what advice he would give to Seahawks coach Mike McDonald as he prepares to defend the Super Bowl title.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. It's hour one on this Thursday. Gang's here,
ready to go. Yes, Fritzie, three consecutive shows. He is
our Cal Ripken. He's doing it. I don't know how
he's doing it, bandaged hand and all. But he's there
in the back row. He can't even applaud for himself,
(00:21):
but we can.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I got the bandage up yesterday, and I got ugly
stitches all over my fingers.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My goodness.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And they told me I can't get wet until they
take the stitches out on the 14th.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So for the next week and a half, I can't
get my hand wet. Incredible. Stitches, plural. You're here. How
do you function with one of your hands?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You can't get it wet at all.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
That just makes it very difficult in the shower, among
other things.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Dylan is here. Marvin is here. Paulie is here. Yours
truly in the back room, guys. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I was going to say, should we guess how many
stitches Todd got?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
All right. I'll go three.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I don't have the answer to that.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
I have no idea how many stitches.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I just know it looks very Frankenstein-ish under my middle
finger of my right hand.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
It's just an ugly look.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Can Pauly look at your surgically? Yeah, he might be
able to figure it out.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
All right.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I'm going to go two. Two stitches.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Two stitches. Okay. Pauly is examining Fritzi's middle finger. A
little messy looking. All right.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Paul, your guesstimate is?
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
For some reason, Todd couldn't look down at his own
figure and figure this out. He has four little stitches.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (01:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, you're here. And really an amazing– I think you've
wrapped up most valuable Dan Edd. I mean, they're black
with like little X's.
Speaker 8 (01:28):
It's just not pretty.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Incredible. All right. We've got a poll question.
Speaker 8 (01:31):
Play of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Stat of the day. Poll question coming up with Dylan
doing the honors with that. Phone calls. 877-3DP-SHELL. Operator Tyler
sitting by. I was with the big German yesterday and
he said, I think we're on 440 radio stations. And
I go, wow, I did not know that. I knew
it was around 400. It's about 440. So good morning,
(01:56):
and thank you for allowing us to take part in
your community. Also, good morning if you're watching on Peacock
or NBC Sports Now. Download the app if you haven't
done so. Mike Tomlin on loan from NBC Sports will
stop by in about 20 minutes. The Big Ten commissioner,
Tony Petitti, will join us. Pablo Torre, he's been up
to some things. He'll join us as we have the
(02:19):
Clippers punishment. Leave it to the Clippers. They can lose
in just about any month of the year, including the
month of September. Brian Windhorst from the Mothership will join us,
as well as the NBA hammers the Clippers, losing five
first-round picks. Steve Ballmer suspended. The organization fined $ 30 million.
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And Pablo Torre hinted that there might be more with
the Clippers. There could be a second player. That's my guess.
A second player maybe with the Clippers or was with
the Clippers who could have been involved in this. 877-3DP-SHOW.
Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls there. We
(03:01):
got college football coming up tonight. Well, at least a
reasonable facsimile. Colorado is getting six and a half against
Georgia Tech. That's probably the spiciest game coming up tonight.
And Dylan is all over Arkansas Pine Bluff, getting 54
and a half against number 25, Missouri, which means probably
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go with Missouri if Dylan is on Arkansas Pine Bluff.
New episode of the gambling podcast. We take that yesterday
and you can listen to it at Dan Patrick dot com. Also,
the Todd cast, Todd Fritz podcast. spends an hour lying
on a couch, Dylan asking a couple of questions, and
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(04:10):
Right after we're done, you can catch it on NBC
Sports Now and Peacock. All right, Dylan, what do you
have for me, hour one?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Well, this was actually a poll from yesterday that Pauly
sent me off of the Angels sale, but I actually
think it's applicable given the Clippers debacle.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
All right, applicable.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
For my favorite team, the most important thing is the owner, GM,
head coach or star player. Now, obviously, in the Clippers case,
multiple of these characters are wrapped up in this Mishigas.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, you got a lot of people involved and it
might go even deeper. But, you know, it's $ 30 million.
That's the largest fine ever handed out to an owner.
I know that everybody's going to say the same thing. Well,
he's worth $ 150 billion. But still, $ 30 million is nearly
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10 times larger than the next highest fine against a
team in NBA history. The commissioner can't look at what
the owner is worth and then, you know, by comparison,
sliding scale, go, well, he's worth $ 150 billion. Let's find
him a billion. You can't do that. But the draft picks,
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that's what hurts. I think what hurts even more is
Steve Ballmer can't go to the games for a year.
Into his new building, he loves to be there, loves
to be on camera, loves to be dancing. Aside from
Mark Cuban, I don't know if there's another owner who
loves his team and loves being in the building and
the Having a great time there. Now you don't get
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to go. The five first-round picks, obviously that's going to hurt.
But this is almost like when a college team gets punished.
It's about those who are still there. The fans are
still there. The players who are on the Clippers who
didn't have anything to do with this. It's like when
a college football team gets sanctioned. Everybody's gone. Usually the
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coach is gone and players involved gone. You know, USC football,
those punishments, it was the players, coaches after who had
to suffer. Kawhi Leonard's gone. He ain't going to Toronto.
He ain't leaving the country. He got fined $ 700, 000. Now,
if you said, hey, you're going to get fined $ 700, 000,
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that's the risk, and maybe something to your legacy, which
he doesn't care about, I'd roll the dice on that.
I don't know how much money he made. Pablo Torre
can tell us that, but If you're going to bring
him there and then you're going to pay him extra
under the table, you're going to roll the dice with that.
I don't think Kawhi... I mean, this is a guy
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who averaged, I think, 47 games a season for seven
years in Los Angeles. But you're going to lose. So
let's look at the totality of this. To get Kawhi Leonard,
the Clippers essentially have now burned 12 first-round picks, Shea Gilgis-Alexander,
$ 30 million in fines for a guy who averaged 47
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games a year for seven years. Stat of the Day,
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of the program. Now, keep in mind, the Minnesota Timberwolves...
(07:37):
They got docked five first round picks. They were doing
something under the table with Joe Smith, of all people.
They cooperated with the NBA and then they ended up
losing three first round picks. By all accounts, it doesn't
look like Steve Ballmer and the Clippers are cooperating with
the NBA. In fact, you got a full denial from
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the Clippers and Steve Ballmer. I don't know if there's
a judge that they can appeal to. I'm still trying
to figure that out. But you can't appeal to the league.
So I don't know if you can get a third
party that would listen to this. But I think that
there's some interesting things going on or can go on.
But for the Clippers, man, you look at that trade
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for Paul George. Is that the worst trade? I know
we have Deshaun Watson. We have Herschel Walker. But this
is one... Now, it's different because you had to pay
more to get Kawhi Leonard, Paul George then going there,
and then you gave up SGA. If you won something,
at least you can say, all right, we got a
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title out of this. You didn't get anything out of this.
You gave up the two-time league MVP, and he's not
done yet. You got Paul George. You had to bribe
Kawhi Leonard to come in there or one of his handlers.
Uncle Dennis. I can't wait for the 30 for 30 on.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
That.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
30 for 30 million.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Getting docked 30 million.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Bloop, bloop.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know how when a franchise has an all-time great player,
they put a statue? They have to do the opposite
for the Clippers at Kawhi. They had to put a
big crater outside. He just decimated the franchise while he
was there and after he's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And I had somebody say, oh, you know, what do
you think this does to his legacy? I said, what
is Kawhi's legacy? I mean, he's got three or four
legacies here. You had surprise defensive guy coming out of college,
ends up, you know, the finals MVP with the Spurs,
the problems there. You win a title in Toronto. You know,
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the Clippers situation, not playing, load management, paid under the 10%.
And now he's going back to Toronto. And they'll cheer him.
He'll be a hero when he walks in the building
that first time. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Kawhi's going to go in the Hall of Fame someday,
and he's going to go in as a Raptor.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
How weird is that? The Clippers statement, I'll read a
portion of it. Uh, what the league told us privately
differs from what it announced today publicly. They have not
held themselves close to the standard commissioner silver set at
the start of this investigation. We intend to vigorously challenge
(10:34):
these findings and penalties through every Avenue available to us
and look forward to an ethical and impartial arbitration process process. Um,
I would like to know what they were told. I'd
be curious about that. And I don't know if Pablo
Torre could find that out. But what were you told
(10:57):
by the commissioner? Because whatever was told to the Clippers,
ESPN did an investigative report and they said nothing there.
Couldn't find anything. Now, I thought it was going to
be all or nothing. I didn't know there would be
anything in between. I would say that this is all in.
(11:18):
not nothing, that you're going to dock five first-round picks,
$ 30 million, really just the embarrassment for Steve Ballmer. The
money is not the issue. You're going to get embarrassed here.
You're the owner, but you can't go to your games.
You can't sit there and watch your team. Kawhi, Kawhi's fine.
Kawhi didn't care. Be like, oh, yeah, all right, 700 grand.
(11:42):
Seems like a good trade-off here.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And in Steve Ballmer's case, They just opened up an
arena last season. Like, man, I just spent all this
money myself, and I can't go to the games in
the arena I built.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That one's tough. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
As part of his punishment, why doesn't Kawhi Leonard have
to pay back all the money he got for not
doing the work he did?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Or didn't do? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That would seem more applicable.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, I don't know how much money that is. That's
a lot of money. But do I think this is
the only instance... that you've had an owner circumvent the
salary cap? No, I do not. And I don't have
this locked down, but I did talk to somebody yesterday
who said that there was something that came up back
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in the 90s about trying to give somebody something that
was off the books. Now, I don't know if it
was equity in a team or You know, once again, but,
you know, there are people talking about this, that does
this happen? Did this happen? And I would say, absolutely.
And not just basketball. I could see where ownership would say,
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you come here. Let's say you sit down. Star player
comes in. You talk to him. You say, all right,
this is what I'm going to offer you. But this
is what I'm going to give you off the books.
It's just between you and him. Do I think that happens? Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
But this is where, now they had a seminar. The
NBA wanted to let the owner, remind the owners, from
what I'm told, hey, you know, here's rules, regulations, just
to let people know, the owners know, we're reminding you
of this, of don't do anything, don't color outside the
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lines here. And the Clippers, the Clippers statement didn't change
from yesterday to a year ago. It's still been the
same statement there. Let me take a break. Mike Tomlin
will join us coming up next. We'll get to your
phone calls, settle on a poll question. We're back after
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Speaker 3 (14:31):
The newest member of Football Night in America, former Steeler
head coach Mike Tomlin joining us on the program. What's
it like to have all this free time now?
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Oh, man, I am having the time of my life,
to be quite honest with you. I never had an August, man,
since I was like eight years old. You know what
I mean? I've always been on the football team. and
then the camp-like setting of some description. And so, man,
August was great. I can't wait to see what September
is like.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Okay, but your body reacts to certain times of the year. Like,
you know, got to get ready for this. This is
the middle of the season, end of the season. So
what's it like when you know you're supposed to be,
you know, somewhere in Pennsylvania, two days, it's hot, getting
ready for the season. Meanwhile, you're sitting at home, whatever
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you're doing.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
My pulse rate's a lot lower, you know? Man, it's
crazy how quickly you can get used to chilling. You
know what I mean? I've enjoyed 2026, man. The free time.
Had an opportunity to really just focus on my wellness, man.
(15:43):
Getting into shape and things of that nature, man. When
you lead a football team, a football organization, sometimes, man,
you put yourself last. And so it's been good, man,
to kind of focus on some things like that and
really just have time to be present with my family
and friends. I went to a family reunion a couple
of weeks ago, man. I hadn't been to a family
reunion since 1997. You know, the family reunion is always
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the third week in July. OK, where have I been
all of my adult life the third week in July?
In a football camp. And so like my family was
laughing that I was there, you know. it's been a
good summer.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I haven't seen you this animated before. Like you're smiling.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
I mean, I hear I'm pretty pleasant to be around
these days.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
How often did you break camp and know exactly what
you had with your team?
Speaker 8 (16:39):
You know, I always had a pretty good idea. I
think that's what camp's about. Like, You know, you go
there to ready yourself for the season individually and collectively.
But from a coach's perspective and through a coach's lens,
I think you want to be able to anticipate what
you have in all three phases, how you're built, how
you engineer victory and things of that nature. And so
(17:00):
I always left with a pretty good understanding. But you
really don't know until the bullets start flying. That's just
a component of it. But I think you certainly understand
what neighborhood you're in when you leave a camp setting.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I wonder if Aaron Rodgers would have come back if
you were still the head coach. Did you have conversations?
Mike comes in, but I wonder what would have happened.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
I believe he would have. Just spending 12 months with Aaron, man,
this guy has a love affair with football and all
components of it. The process, meetings, team development. He loved
training camp last year. You know what I mean? Not
a lot of guys, man, enjoy training camp settings the
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way I watched him enjoy it. And so I just think, man,
he's built for it. He's healthy. He's certainly capable. And
so I think that he would have strongly considered it
regardless of circumstance. That's just my gut feeling.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, and he's credited you with helping him fall back
in love with football. Are you going to be able
to watch the Steelers without saying we?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
No.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
You know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to
kid myself. Like, you know, I'm going to root for
those guys, man, because, you know, that's just who I am.
I spent 19 years there. I had a hand in
selecting most of those guys. And so when you have
those intimate relationships, certainly that's going to be a component
(18:35):
of viewing for me. You know, I don't know how
much I'll even fight it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Talking to Mike Tomlin, you can see him on Football
Night in America starting next Wednesday. It'll be the Seahawks
and the Patriots. What advice would you give Mike McDonald
as the head coach of the defending Super Bowl champs
with that following season?
Speaker 8 (18:56):
You know, I think the number one thing is the journey.
I think sometimes when you've been to the destination, and
particularly when you've been to the destination recently, you want
to hurry up and cut to the chase, and you
absolutely can't. And so... He's got to take his team
through the process again. A lot of them have been
a component of it in the past. Some of them
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will be new. But I think he's got to do
the best that he can to wipe the slate clean
and make sure they appreciate the present and the journey
that they're on right now. And I think that, you know,
I think there's a lot of outside forces, to be
quite honest with you, that's going to be helpful in
that regard. I think the Rams are getting so much
positive attention. I think it's going to be an asset
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to them in terms of, getting his group's attention in
that regard.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Where would you put Aaron Donald all time?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Oh my gosh. He's in that elite.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Group.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Is he Reggie White? Is he Lawrence Taylor? Is he
in that mean Joe Green?
Speaker 8 (19:57):
I think about those first ballot interior guys, man. That
elite group, I think it's about five of them, probably
Sapp being the most recent. He's in that elite class.
He'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's one
of the legendary guys of the game at his position,
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regardless of generation. I just think he belongs in that
discussion with the elite of the elite.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I've talked to Bill Cowher about when Ben Roethlisberger was
his quarterback, and he said there are times Ben would
act like he couldn't hear a play and where Bill
call in something and, you know, Ben did, you know,
what kind of, how did you handle your quarterback?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
You know, more than anything, man, I, it's my job
to make sure his talents show up and to, and
to bring the game to him. And I think different
players digest the game in different ways and play with
different styles. Um, Ben didn't like constraints. And so I
always wanted to accommodate that when, when, when, when I
was capable, um, Some guys approach the game like an engineer.
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You know, he approaches the game like a pickup basketball
point guard. You know what I mean? There's a fluidity
and an organic component to his game, and I just
never wanted to stifle that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Did you hate the Patriots or the Ravens more?
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Oh, certainly the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
And just because of the intimacy of it, it starts
in your divisional Before you can dominate the AFC and
the NFL, you've got to dominate the division, and certainly
we've been in close quarters with those guys a lot
over the years.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
But no problems with the Patriots. You were okay with
Belichick and Brady?
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Oh, yeah, man. I respect certainly what they were able
to do, and Love competed against them for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Good luck on Wednesday.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Man, I need it, man. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Is anybody giving you advice, though?
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Are you asking for advice, though?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I am.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
I am.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
I'm excited and nervous at the same time about this
new challenge and new space I'm in. And so I'm
certainly paying respect to it from a prep standpoint and
gleaning information from my peers, particularly those that I have
a relationship with. relationships with and that have done it
at a high level. And so I've sought a lot
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of advice. I've gotten a lot of advice and I'm
really just excited about, about doing a good job for
the viewing audience.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Great to talk to you. Good luck coach. Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's Mike Tomlin, NBC sports football night in America and
make his debut. See, this is different. This is different
where you're coaching. You're nervous. This is TV nervous, right?
And what you say is now what is front and center.
How your team performed is front and center as a coach.
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This is, did you hear what coach had to say? Now,
my goal was always to protect Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison.
But I still wanted to bring out the best in them.
And if I was there with coach, like I'm going
to push you a little bit there. But I also
don't want you to get into an area where sink
(23:27):
or swim. It's I want to play to your strengths,
but I sometimes I would always find out a lot.
Coaches listening to me now, I'd always find when Tony
and Rodney would tell me stories, they would tell me
stuff off the air. And I would go that I'm
going to bring that back because they sometimes don't know
what they know and how that's going to translate to
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the audience. But, Coach, keep it concise. You know, get
those sound bites. It's like punching somebody. Boom, Mike Tyson. Boom,
Mike Tyson. That's what you need to do. Have fun. Yes, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You know what stood out to me? Coach really enjoyed
his summer. He's at the cookout. He's hanging with family.
He's hitting the snooze alarm. I wonder if in five
years he's the next Jimmy Johnson where, Oh, he retired
a little early. Of course he'll go back. Of course
he'll get the itch in four years. And no, no,
he's on a boat and doing TV.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, and I wanted to be fair to him because
it's so easy to say, how long are you going
to do this before you go back? I'm going to
let you do this out of respect. You put in
all that time and effort. Now he's going to come
up for air. He's going to be able to take vacation.
He's going to be able to... Bill Cowher, classic example.
(24:42):
Bill Cowher's, you know... Seems like he's got a great
life now. He's going to be a Hall of Famer.
Mike is going to be a Hall of Famer. And
you might decide that you like this. And now the
studio is different than doing a game. Because if you
do a game, you get that feeling. Like you're out there.
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And this is where I said to Drew Brees, you
got to be out calling a game. Because being in
the studio is sterile. And you could see where Rodney
would get all fired up, like he wanted to hit somebody. But,
you know, if you go on the road, you bring
the studio show on the road, and they're going to
be doing that, I think that'll be beneficial. You pick
(25:24):
up on the energy in the building. And I think
Coach hopefully will be able to draw from that. But
it's not easy. I think we look at it and
we go, oh, yeah, you just go in there and
you talk. No, it's not that easy. Now, there are
guys who make it look easy, but I would always
say to Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison, You guys are rookies.
(25:44):
I'm the veteran. I'll help you. But listen to me,
and I'll guide you through this. I'll tell you when
that's too much or that's not enough, but have an
opinion thought out. And don't lean on cliches. Because coaches
used to go into a press conference and try not
to say anything. Now you're being paid to say something.
(26:07):
And that's the challenging part. You're like, I don't want
to say anything. I don't want to get in trouble.
I don't want to criticize anybody. I don't want a
bulletin board material. That's gone. Now what you say is
going to matter. Yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And you've always said from years ago, learning how to
talk in 15 and 20 second chunks and get out
is so tough. If you go back to Brady's first
year on air, it felt like Brady could never find
the punctuation.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yes. And I think that's the important part is what
are you saying? And how are you saying it? How
long does it take you to say it? And I
would always say to Rodney, it's just like you're delivering
a punch. Don't water it down and then have something
at the end. Give it to me right away. If
I ask you an opinion, a question, boom, what do
(26:55):
you have for me? And then get out. And then
I'll come back to you. But a lot of times
you'll have analysts who just kind of go on and
on and on. And you've watered down what could be
a really strong answer.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
So.
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on a poll question for the first hour, Dylan? We did.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
We have two up at the moment. For my favorite team,
the most important thing is the owner, GM, head coach,
or star player. 33% are saying star player.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
And how will we remember Kawhi Leonard? Marvin sent this
one over. Load management, Clippers debacle, or two-time finals MVP?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You know, you can say all of the above. I'd
probably say load management. I'd probably go there. Although, what
just happened? What's going to happen to the Clippers after this?
Because it's going to come back to Kawhi Leonard. All
(28:15):
of this is Kawhi Leonard, the Paul George trade. Does
Paul George want to go to the Clippers if Kawhi's
not there? How do they not know what they have
in SGA to give him up and draft picks for
Paul George? Paul George was once a great player. once
a great player, but I got it. You got to
(28:39):
get a sense of how good somebody is. It's, I
remember having a conversation with Mark McGuire. This is years ago,
back in the nineties. And I said, Hey, who do you,
who's surprising you in a spring training? He goes, this guy,
Albert Pujols, he might be the best hitter I've ever seen.
And I'm going, wow. And he was a rookie. I said,
(29:01):
what makes him special? He goes, He just is a
great hitter. He can hit homers. He can hit singles.
Great back control. You know, he just raved about Albert Pujols.
And I just kind of kept that in the back
of my mind. And I was doing fantasy back then.
And I remember I was like, man, when do I
(29:21):
take Albert Pujols? Like, I'm going to surprise everybody, you know.
Albert Pujols was taken by somebody else who was part
of the Baseball Tonight staff. And they– They knew about
Albert Pujols as well, that he was going to be
a star. But you get that feeling of, SGA now
watching him at Kentucky I thought okay good player but
(29:44):
like just another Kentucky player first round pick averages 20
and you know makes 500 million dollars I don't think
anybody saw this coming yes Marv.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well the same thing with Jalen Brunson Like, we didn't
think he'd be this. You thought he'd be a good
player because SGA was the centerpiece for the Thunder when
they made the Paul George trade.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He's going to be a good player, average, like you said,
about 20 a night, make a couple of all-star teams,
but you never thought he'd be a two-time league MVP. No.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And Brunson was great in high school, but considered an overachiever.
You win a couple of titles when you're at Villanova,
but it still came back to... And look, I did
this with Steve Nash. I watched him in college, and
I thought, you know, cute story. And I remember an agent,
(30:35):
Bill Duffy. He's like, you don't get it, man. I go,
what do you mean? He goes, he's going to be
a star. And I was like, I don't know, man.
It took a little while. Like, imagine the Suns having
Kevin Johnson, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Which Hall of Famer do we want to put into
the lineup here? But yeah, it's weird sometimes. You'll see it,
but then you don't see it. And maybe that was
the case with the Clippers. I don't know. But you
talk about a trade. I mean, trades that crushed you.
I mean, when you think about 12 first-round picks, Shea Gilgis,
(31:18):
$ 30 million, and you get a guy who averaged 47
games a year for seven years in L.A. And now Kawhi.
I thought they were going to suspend Kawhi. I thought
they were going to make him stay in Los Angeles,
suspend him, not let him go to Toronto. But I
(31:40):
believe the Clippers are going to get two first-round picks.
Brian Windhorst was reporting this in the trade with Toronto. Now,
do they get two? So is it five first-round picks,
but then they're getting two from Toronto?
Speaker 11 (31:54):
No.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So maybe they're going to lose three first-round picks. And
who knows the other shoe to drop here. All right,
let me take a break. That was good to have
Mike Tomlin on and to see him smile. Like it
was kind of like, whoa, who are you? He was happy.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
Who are you?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
He's in vacation mode. All right, we'll take a break.
Play of the day next.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
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Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The play of the day.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
This is the play of the day.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Check this out.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Jax is 1-1.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Swing and a fly ball to the gap in left
center field. Simpson on the run. He turns and it
is off the top of the wall and in play.
Two runs score. Ewing flying around third. He scores. Bases
clearing double for Brad Beatty. And the Mets double their lead.
They break it open.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
6-0 in the third. That's your play of the day.
Mets Radio Network. Mets have scored 10 or more runs
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Major League Baseball. Chris in Syracuse leads us off.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Hi, Chris.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Hey, thanks, Dan. I wanted to comment on the L.A.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Clippers.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
And also on yesterday's show, you were talking about hard-hitting
duos in the NFL and defense. And I love those
Oakland Raider teams of the 70s. On the front line,
you had John Matusik and the Mad Stork. And in
the secondary, Jack Tatum and George Atkinson. And I remember
as a kid, in a preseason game, no less, The hit,
I think it was George Atkinson late on Patriots wide
(33:40):
receiver Darryl Stingley. That was awful.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That was Jack Tatum.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Oh, was it Tatum? He was one of the two.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, Tatum.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
I'm sure the NBA and Adam Silver wanted to make
an example of the L.A. Clippers by coming down hard
on them. But I wonder if the team in question
was one of the league's really big moneymakers as far
as TV ratings go in a marquee franchise like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks.
If the NBA and Adam Silver would have hit them
as hard, I kind of doubt it.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't know. You're hitting one of the most powerful
people in the world and the most valuable owner in
the NBA. And even Michael Wilbon on Pardon the Interruption
yesterday was talking about, you know, Ballmer's the guy leading expansion.
You know, he's front and center. He's like Jerry Jones
with the NFL owners. And, you know, I give credit
(34:31):
to Adam Silver that you don't go, oh, I'm going
to give you extra credit or I'm going to maybe
not go in as hard on you because you're so
important to the league. You're an owner. If anything, I
would go after him harder than what they did. He
should know. You're one of the leaders here. Play of
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in South Carolina. Good morning, Ben. What do you have
for me today?
Speaker 8 (35:07):
Good morning, Dan.
Speaker 11 (35:09):
I'm not trying to take a shot at anybody, but
yesterday's Limerick efforts were lackluster at best. So I had
to dial something up for today. I also have a
question for you on the Ryan Leaf interview, but first,
my limerick for Todd. Since you can't, we applaud your
healing power. You show up longer, stronger than Bill Cowher.
(35:32):
Though it may ache for Dylan's sake, please figure out
how to take a cold shower.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
All right. Your question about Ryan Leaf's interview.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
I caught it on Peacock last night. Awesome job, both
of you. He looks so intense, almost angry. Is he
always that way or was something else going on?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Nothing was going on. He was in a good mood.
But I think things are going really well. I think
he wants to make sure that people listen to him
as an analyst as well. So I think he's kind
of focused on being buttoned up when it comes to
giving you opinions on things. The other part, when we
(36:14):
talked about what happened to him with prescription pills, I
found him to be basically the same in the last
10 years. We did have the one moment in Indianapolis
when we were there for the Super Bowl, and he
was there, and I could tell that he was still using,
but he was telling us that he was clean. But
(36:36):
that was it. And I didn't challenge him that day.
And Paulie was right, because I said, Paulie's still using.
And Paulie's like, don't bring it up. Don't bring it up.
Because it wasn't the time and place to bring it up. But,
you know, I could see that, you know, he was impaired.
But other than that, you know, he's been available, honest
(36:58):
with us. And he's certainly forthcoming when it comes to
those topics on this show. Red in Georgia.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Hi, Red.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 10 (37:09):
Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Dan, I would
like to speak on Mike Tomlin's interview real quick. Dan,
I don't think he don't need much advice. With his personality,
with the right people in the studio, he's going to
do fine, and I'm going to be looking forward to watching. Dan,
I want to talk about Steve Ballmer and the NBA
real quick. I think Adam Silver, I think it would
(37:29):
be okay for him to find Ballmer as hard as
he wants to and everybody involved, but I think you
really hurt the league and the image and everything when
you're going after the team itself. Because the Clippers have
been down so long, and they get a new stadium,
new arena, and you want them to be as successful
(37:50):
as possible as a league. And, hey, Dan, Adam works
for him. How you can find.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Me, man? He works for all the owners, just not
Steve Ballmer. And everybody can use advice when it comes
to doing TV. I don't care who it is. And
this is new to Mike Tomlin. You went from not
wanting to share at a press conference to now you're
(38:18):
going to think you're oversharing. But look, Maria Taylor and
that whole crew, they'll do a wonderful job putting him
in a position to succeed. And you have people who've
been there a long, long time. They'll be able to
help him And they probably already saying, you know, this
right here, what you said in that amount of time
was great. You got to the point. And I would
(38:40):
always say to Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy, tell me
something I don't know. What do you see? I mean,
that's what we want. And that's what I would say
to coach. Tell me something I don't know. Don't say, oh,
both teams are, you know.
Going to fight for this or it's so important or,
you know, the turnover battle or any of those silly things.
(39:04):
Give me something that I can hold on to when
I go into the game. That Coach Tomlin said this. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Did you ever come across anybody that flipped the switch,
so to speak, where they were really stoic and no
personality when they were a player or a coach and
then when they got on TV, they were the complete opposite?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh, Bob Knight. Bob Knight hated us. and then became
one of us. But I found that Coach Knight, on
his terms, had a lot of things to say and
was really a very bright basketball mind, one of the
brightest basketball minds. You got Sterling Sharp. Sterling never talked.
(39:46):
But if you get him, now he never shuts up.
If you're around him, one of the funniest people you'll
be around and extremely smart when it comes to football.
There are guys where you go, boy, that guy's going
to be great. And then they're not great. And then
there are guys you go, well, I don't know about this.
And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, man.
(40:06):
Tony Romo surprised a lot of people. Let's be honest.
Out of the gate, he was on a roll and
all the networks were scrambling. They needed to find their
Tony Romo. Hey, can you predict what's going to happen?
I remember talking to Chris Collinsworth about that. He goes,
I do it. I just don't do it the way
Tony does it. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So was Shannon Sharp the least surprising? Like, okay, of.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Course we knew he was going to be great.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I knew that he would want to talk. But there's
certain guys where you go, like, I thought Gronk would
be better, but maybe that's just Gronk. There's certain guys,
you know what I mean? He's a character. Terry Bradshaw
is a character, a lot to say. Jimmy Johnson became
better than I thought he was going to be. How
(40:55):
long I knew that he was going to be. You know,
even Bill Cowart, like you just don't see them in
that element. But if you're around these guys socially, then
you get a better insight into who they are. Paul's
going to be in the confessional. We'll talk to the
Big Ten commissioner, Tony Petitti. Also, Pablo Torre will join
(41:15):
us in an hour from now. One hour in the
books on this Thursday. Two more to go.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. It's hour one on this Thursday. Gang's here,
ready to go. Yes, Fritzie, three consecutive shows. He is
our Cal Ripken. He's doing it. I don't know how
he's doing it, bandaged hand and all. But he's there
in the back row. He can't even applaud for himself,
(00:21):
but we can.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I got the bandage up yesterday, and I got ugly
stitches all over my fingers.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My goodness.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And they told me I can't get wet until they
take the stitches out on the 14th.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So for the next week and a half, I can't
get my hand wet. Incredible. Stitches, plural. You're here. How
do you function with one of your hands?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You can't get it wet at all.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
That just makes it very difficult in the shower, among
other things.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Dylan is here. Marvin is here. Paulie is here. Yours
truly in the back room, guys. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I was going to say, should we guess how many
stitches Todd got?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
All right. I'll go three.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I don't have the answer to that.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
I have no idea how many stitches.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I just know it looks very Frankenstein-ish under my middle
finger of my right hand.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
It's just an ugly look.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Can Pauly look at your surgically? Yeah, he might be
able to figure it out.
Speaker 6 (01:01):
All right.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I'm going to go two. Two stitches.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Two stitches. Okay. Pauly is examining Fritzi's middle finger. A
little messy looking. All right.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Paul, your guesstimate is?
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
For some reason, Todd couldn't look down at his own
figure and figure this out. He has four little stitches.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (01:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, you're here. And really an amazing– I think you've
wrapped up most valuable Dan Edd. I mean, they're black
with like little X's.
Speaker 8 (01:28):
It's just not pretty.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Incredible. All right. We've got a poll question.
Speaker 8 (01:31):
Play of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Stat of the day. Poll question coming up with Dylan
doing the honors with that. Phone calls. 877-3DP-SHELL. Operator Tyler
sitting by. I was with the big German yesterday and
he said, I think we're on 440 radio stations. And
I go, wow, I did not know that. I knew
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(01:56):
and thank you for allowing us to take part in
your community. Also, good morning if you're watching on Peacock
or NBC Sports Now. Download the app if you haven't
done so. Mike Tomlin on loan from NBC Sports will
stop by in about 20 minutes. The Big Ten commissioner,
Tony Petitti, will join us. Pablo Torre, he's been up
to some things. He'll join us as we have the
(02:19):
Clippers punishment. Leave it to the Clippers. They can lose
in just about any month of the year, including the
month of September. Brian Windhorst from the Mothership will join us,
as well as the NBA hammers the Clippers, losing five
first-round picks. Steve Ballmer suspended. The organization fined $ 30 million.
(02:39):
And Pablo Torre hinted that there might be more with
the Clippers. There could be a second player. That's my guess.
A second player maybe with the Clippers or was with
the Clippers who could have been involved in this. 877-3DP-SHOW.
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(03:01):
got college football coming up tonight. Well, at least a
reasonable facsimile. Colorado is getting six and a half against
Georgia Tech. That's probably the spiciest game coming up tonight.
And Dylan is all over Arkansas Pine Bluff, getting 54
and a half against number 25, Missouri, which means probably
(03:24):
go with Missouri if Dylan is on Arkansas Pine Bluff.
New episode of the gambling podcast. We take that yesterday
and you can listen to it at Dan Patrick dot com. Also,
the Todd cast, Todd Fritz podcast. spends an hour lying
on a couch, Dylan asking a couple of questions, and
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Right after we're done, you can catch it on NBC
Sports Now and Peacock. All right, Dylan, what do you
have for me, hour one?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Well, this was actually a poll from yesterday that Pauly
sent me off of the Angels sale, but I actually
think it's applicable given the Clippers debacle.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
All right, applicable.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
For my favorite team, the most important thing is the owner, GM,
head coach or star player. Now, obviously, in the Clippers case,
multiple of these characters are wrapped up in this Mishigas.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, you got a lot of people involved and it
might go even deeper. But, you know, it's $ 30 million.
That's the largest fine ever handed out to an owner.
I know that everybody's going to say the same thing. Well,
he's worth $ 150 billion. But still, $ 30 million is nearly
(05:04):
10 times larger than the next highest fine against a
team in NBA history. The commissioner can't look at what
the owner is worth and then, you know, by comparison,
sliding scale, go, well, he's worth $ 150 billion. Let's find
him a billion. You can't do that. But the draft picks,
(05:24):
that's what hurts. I think what hurts even more is
Steve Ballmer can't go to the games for a year.
Into his new building, he loves to be there, loves
to be on camera, loves to be dancing. Aside from
Mark Cuban, I don't know if there's another owner who
loves his team and loves being in the building and
the Having a great time there. Now you don't get
(05:47):
to go. The five first-round picks, obviously that's going to hurt.
But this is almost like when a college team gets punished.
It's about those who are still there. The fans are
still there. The players who are on the Clippers who
didn't have anything to do with this. It's like when
a college football team gets sanctioned. Everybody's gone. Usually the
(06:10):
coach is gone and players involved gone. You know, USC football,
those punishments, it was the players, coaches after who had
to suffer. Kawhi Leonard's gone. He ain't going to Toronto.
He ain't leaving the country. He got fined $ 700, 000. Now,
if you said, hey, you're going to get fined $ 700, 000,
(06:32):
that's the risk, and maybe something to your legacy, which
he doesn't care about, I'd roll the dice on that.
I don't know how much money he made. Pablo Torre
can tell us that, but If you're going to bring
him there and then you're going to pay him extra
under the table, you're going to roll the dice with that.
I don't think Kawhi... I mean, this is a guy
(06:52):
who averaged, I think, 47 games a season for seven
years in Los Angeles. But you're going to lose. So
let's look at the totality of this. To get Kawhi Leonard,
the Clippers essentially have now burned 12 first-round picks, Shea Gilgis-Alexander,
$ 30 million in fines for a guy who averaged 47
(07:17):
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They got docked five first round picks. They were doing
something under the table with Joe Smith, of all people.
They cooperated with the NBA and then they ended up
losing three first round picks. By all accounts, it doesn't
look like Steve Ballmer and the Clippers are cooperating with
the NBA. In fact, you got a full denial from
(07:58):
the Clippers and Steve Ballmer. I don't know if there's
a judge that they can appeal to. I'm still trying
to figure that out. But you can't appeal to the league.
So I don't know if you can get a third
party that would listen to this. But I think that
there's some interesting things going on or can go on.
But for the Clippers, man, you look at that trade
(08:21):
for Paul George. Is that the worst trade? I know
we have Deshaun Watson. We have Herschel Walker. But this
is one... Now, it's different because you had to pay
more to get Kawhi Leonard, Paul George then going there,
and then you gave up SGA. If you won something,
at least you can say, all right, we got a
(08:43):
title out of this. You didn't get anything out of this.
You gave up the two-time league MVP, and he's not
done yet. You got Paul George. You had to bribe
Kawhi Leonard to come in there or one of his handlers.
Uncle Dennis. I can't wait for the 30 for 30 on.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
That.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
30 for 30 million.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Getting docked 30 million.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Bloop, bloop.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know how when a franchise has an all-time great player,
they put a statue? They have to do the opposite
for the Clippers at Kawhi. They had to put a
big crater outside. He just decimated the franchise while he
was there and after he's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And I had somebody say, oh, you know, what do
you think this does to his legacy? I said, what
is Kawhi's legacy? I mean, he's got three or four
legacies here. You had surprise defensive guy coming out of college,
ends up, you know, the finals MVP with the Spurs,
the problems there. You win a title in Toronto. You know,
(09:54):
the Clippers situation, not playing, load management, paid under the 10%.
And now he's going back to Toronto. And they'll cheer him.
He'll be a hero when he walks in the building
that first time. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Kawhi's going to go in the Hall of Fame someday,
and he's going to go in as a Raptor.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
How weird is that? The Clippers statement, I'll read a
portion of it. Uh, what the league told us privately
differs from what it announced today publicly. They have not
held themselves close to the standard commissioner silver set at
the start of this investigation. We intend to vigorously challenge
(10:34):
these findings and penalties through every Avenue available to us
and look forward to an ethical and impartial arbitration process process. Um,
I would like to know what they were told. I'd
be curious about that. And I don't know if Pablo
Torre could find that out. But what were you told
(10:57):
by the commissioner? Because whatever was told to the Clippers,
ESPN did an investigative report and they said nothing there.
Couldn't find anything. Now, I thought it was going to
be all or nothing. I didn't know there would be
anything in between. I would say that this is all in.
(11:18):
not nothing, that you're going to dock five first-round picks,
$ 30 million, really just the embarrassment for Steve Ballmer. The
money is not the issue. You're going to get embarrassed here.
You're the owner, but you can't go to your games.
You can't sit there and watch your team. Kawhi, Kawhi's fine.
Kawhi didn't care. Be like, oh, yeah, all right, 700 grand.
(11:42):
Seems like a good trade-off here.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And in Steve Ballmer's case, They just opened up an
arena last season. Like, man, I just spent all this
money myself, and I can't go to the games in
the arena I built.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That one's tough. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
As part of his punishment, why doesn't Kawhi Leonard have
to pay back all the money he got for not
doing the work he did?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Or didn't do? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That would seem more applicable.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, I don't know how much money that is. That's
a lot of money. But do I think this is
the only instance... that you've had an owner circumvent the
salary cap? No, I do not. And I don't have
this locked down, but I did talk to somebody yesterday
who said that there was something that came up back
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in the 90s about trying to give somebody something that
was off the books. Now, I don't know if it
was equity in a team or You know, once again, but,
you know, there are people talking about this, that does
this happen? Did this happen? And I would say, absolutely.
And not just basketball. I could see where ownership would say,
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you come here. Let's say you sit down. Star player
comes in. You talk to him. You say, all right,
this is what I'm going to offer you. But this
is what I'm going to give you off the books.
It's just between you and him. Do I think that happens? Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
But this is where, now they had a seminar. The
NBA wanted to let the owner, remind the owners, from
what I'm told, hey, you know, here's rules, regulations, just
to let people know, the owners know, we're reminding you
of this, of don't do anything, don't color outside the
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lines here. And the Clippers, the Clippers statement didn't change
from yesterday to a year ago. It's still been the
same statement there. Let me take a break. Mike Tomlin
will join us coming up next. We'll get to your
phone calls, settle on a poll question. We're back after
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Speaker 3 (14:31):
The newest member of Football Night in America, former Steeler
head coach Mike Tomlin joining us on the program. What's
it like to have all this free time now?
Speaker 8 (14:40):
Oh, man, I am having the time of my life,
to be quite honest with you. I never had an August, man,
since I was like eight years old. You know what
I mean? I've always been on the football team. and
then the camp-like setting of some description. And so, man,
August was great. I can't wait to see what September
is like.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Okay, but your body reacts to certain times of the year. Like,
you know, got to get ready for this. This is
the middle of the season, end of the season. So
what's it like when you know you're supposed to be,
you know, somewhere in Pennsylvania, two days, it's hot, getting
ready for the season. Meanwhile, you're sitting at home, whatever
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you're doing.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
My pulse rate's a lot lower, you know? Man, it's
crazy how quickly you can get used to chilling. You
know what I mean? I've enjoyed 2026, man. The free time.
Had an opportunity to really just focus on my wellness, man.
(15:43):
Getting into shape and things of that nature, man. When
you lead a football team, a football organization, sometimes, man,
you put yourself last. And so it's been good, man,
to kind of focus on some things like that and
really just have time to be present with my family
and friends. I went to a family reunion a couple
of weeks ago, man. I hadn't been to a family
reunion since 1997. You know, the family reunion is always
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the third week in July. OK, where have I been
all of my adult life the third week in July?
In a football camp. And so like my family was
laughing that I was there, you know. it's been a
good summer.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I haven't seen you this animated before. Like you're smiling.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
I mean, I hear I'm pretty pleasant to be around
these days.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
How often did you break camp and know exactly what
you had with your team?
Speaker 8 (16:39):
You know, I always had a pretty good idea. I
think that's what camp's about. Like, You know, you go
there to ready yourself for the season individually and collectively.
But from a coach's perspective and through a coach's lens,
I think you want to be able to anticipate what
you have in all three phases, how you're built, how
you engineer victory and things of that nature. And so
(17:00):
I always left with a pretty good understanding. But you
really don't know until the bullets start flying. That's just
a component of it. But I think you certainly understand
what neighborhood you're in when you leave a camp setting.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I wonder if Aaron Rodgers would have come back if
you were still the head coach. Did you have conversations?
Mike comes in, but I wonder what would have happened.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
I believe he would have. Just spending 12 months with Aaron, man,
this guy has a love affair with football and all
components of it. The process, meetings, team development. He loved
training camp last year. You know what I mean? Not
a lot of guys, man, enjoy training camp settings the
(17:48):
way I watched him enjoy it. And so I just think, man,
he's built for it. He's healthy. He's certainly capable. And
so I think that he would have strongly considered it
regardless of circumstance. That's just my gut feeling.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, and he's credited you with helping him fall back
in love with football. Are you going to be able
to watch the Steelers without saying we?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
No.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
You know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to
kid myself. Like, you know, I'm going to root for
those guys, man, because, you know, that's just who I am.
I spent 19 years there. I had a hand in
selecting most of those guys. And so when you have
those intimate relationships, certainly that's going to be a component
(18:35):
of viewing for me. You know, I don't know how
much I'll even fight it.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Talking to Mike Tomlin, you can see him on Football
Night in America starting next Wednesday. It'll be the Seahawks
and the Patriots. What advice would you give Mike McDonald
as the head coach of the defending Super Bowl champs
with that following season?
Speaker 8 (18:56):
You know, I think the number one thing is the journey.
I think sometimes when you've been to the destination, and
particularly when you've been to the destination recently, you want
to hurry up and cut to the chase, and you
absolutely can't. And so... He's got to take his team
through the process again. A lot of them have been
a component of it in the past. Some of them
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will be new. But I think he's got to do
the best that he can to wipe the slate clean
and make sure they appreciate the present and the journey
that they're on right now. And I think that, you know,
I think there's a lot of outside forces, to be
quite honest with you, that's going to be helpful in
that regard. I think the Rams are getting so much
positive attention. I think it's going to be an asset
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to them in terms of, getting his group's attention in
that regard.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Where would you put Aaron Donald all time?
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Oh my gosh. He's in that elite.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Group.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Is he Reggie White? Is he Lawrence Taylor? Is he
in that mean Joe Green?
Speaker 8 (19:57):
I think about those first ballot interior guys, man. That
elite group, I think it's about five of them, probably
Sapp being the most recent. He's in that elite class.
He'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's one
of the legendary guys of the game at his position,
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regardless of generation. I just think he belongs in that
discussion with the elite of the elite.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I've talked to Bill Cowher about when Ben Roethlisberger was
his quarterback, and he said there are times Ben would
act like he couldn't hear a play and where Bill
call in something and, you know, Ben did, you know,
what kind of, how did you handle your quarterback?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
You know, more than anything, man, I, it's my job
to make sure his talents show up and to, and
to bring the game to him. And I think different
players digest the game in different ways and play with
different styles. Um, Ben didn't like constraints. And so I
always wanted to accommodate that when, when, when, when I
was capable, um, Some guys approach the game like an engineer.
(21:08):
You know, he approaches the game like a pickup basketball
point guard. You know what I mean? There's a fluidity
and an organic component to his game, and I just
never wanted to stifle that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Did you hate the Patriots or the Ravens more?
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Oh, certainly the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (21:30):
And just because of the intimacy of it, it starts
in your divisional Before you can dominate the AFC and
the NFL, you've got to dominate the division, and certainly
we've been in close quarters with those guys a lot
over the years.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
But no problems with the Patriots. You were okay with
Belichick and Brady?
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Oh, yeah, man. I respect certainly what they were able
to do, and Love competed against them for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Good luck on Wednesday.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Man, I need it, man. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Is anybody giving you advice, though?
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Are you asking for advice, though?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I am.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
I am.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
I'm excited and nervous at the same time about this
new challenge and new space I'm in. And so I'm
certainly paying respect to it from a prep standpoint and
gleaning information from my peers, particularly those that I have
a relationship with. relationships with and that have done it
at a high level. And so I've sought a lot
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of advice. I've gotten a lot of advice and I'm
really just excited about, about doing a good job for
the viewing audience.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Great to talk to you. Good luck coach. Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's Mike Tomlin, NBC sports football night in America and
make his debut. See, this is different. This is different
where you're coaching. You're nervous. This is TV nervous, right?
And what you say is now what is front and center.
How your team performed is front and center as a coach.
(23:06):
This is, did you hear what coach had to say? Now,
my goal was always to protect Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison.
But I still wanted to bring out the best in them.
And if I was there with coach, like I'm going
to push you a little bit there. But I also
don't want you to get into an area where sink
(23:27):
or swim. It's I want to play to your strengths,
but I sometimes I would always find out a lot.
Coaches listening to me now, I'd always find when Tony
and Rodney would tell me stories, they would tell me
stuff off the air. And I would go that I'm
going to bring that back because they sometimes don't know
what they know and how that's going to translate to
(23:48):
the audience. But, Coach, keep it concise. You know, get
those sound bites. It's like punching somebody. Boom, Mike Tyson. Boom,
Mike Tyson. That's what you need to do. Have fun. Yes, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
You know what stood out to me? Coach really enjoyed
his summer. He's at the cookout. He's hanging with family.
He's hitting the snooze alarm. I wonder if in five
years he's the next Jimmy Johnson where, Oh, he retired
a little early. Of course he'll go back. Of course
he'll get the itch in four years. And no, no,
he's on a boat and doing TV.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, and I wanted to be fair to him because
it's so easy to say, how long are you going
to do this before you go back? I'm going to
let you do this out of respect. You put in
all that time and effort. Now he's going to come
up for air. He's going to be able to take vacation.
He's going to be able to... Bill Cowher, classic example.
(24:42):
Bill Cowher's, you know... Seems like he's got a great
life now. He's going to be a Hall of Famer.
Mike is going to be a Hall of Famer. And
you might decide that you like this. And now the
studio is different than doing a game. Because if you
do a game, you get that feeling. Like you're out there.
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And this is where I said to Drew Brees, you
got to be out calling a game. Because being in
the studio is sterile. And you could see where Rodney
would get all fired up, like he wanted to hit somebody. But,
you know, if you go on the road, you bring
the studio show on the road, and they're going to
be doing that, I think that'll be beneficial. You pick
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up on the energy in the building. And I think
Coach hopefully will be able to draw from that. But
it's not easy. I think we look at it and
we go, oh, yeah, you just go in there and
you talk. No, it's not that easy. Now, there are
guys who make it look easy, but I would always
say to Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison, You guys are rookies.
(25:44):
I'm the veteran. I'll help you. But listen to me,
and I'll guide you through this. I'll tell you when
that's too much or that's not enough, but have an
opinion thought out. And don't lean on cliches. Because coaches
used to go into a press conference and try not
to say anything. Now you're being paid to say something.
(26:07):
And that's the challenging part. You're like, I don't want
to say anything. I don't want to get in trouble.
I don't want to criticize anybody. I don't want a
bulletin board material. That's gone. Now what you say is
going to matter. Yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And you've always said from years ago, learning how to
talk in 15 and 20 second chunks and get out
is so tough. If you go back to Brady's first
year on air, it felt like Brady could never find
the punctuation.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yes. And I think that's the important part is what
are you saying? And how are you saying it? How
long does it take you to say it? And I
would always say to Rodney, it's just like you're delivering
a punch. Don't water it down and then have something
at the end. Give it to me right away. If
I ask you an opinion, a question, boom, what do
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you have for me? And then get out. And then
I'll come back to you. But a lot of times
you'll have analysts who just kind of go on and
on and on. And you've watered down what could be
a really strong answer.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
So.
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on a poll question for the first hour, Dylan? We did.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
We have two up at the moment. For my favorite team,
the most important thing is the owner, GM, head coach,
or star player. 33% are saying star player.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
And how will we remember Kawhi Leonard? Marvin sent this
one over. Load management, Clippers debacle, or two-time finals MVP?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You know, you can say all of the above. I'd
probably say load management. I'd probably go there. Although, what
just happened? What's going to happen to the Clippers after this?
Because it's going to come back to Kawhi Leonard. All
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of this is Kawhi Leonard, the Paul George trade. Does
Paul George want to go to the Clippers if Kawhi's
not there? How do they not know what they have
in SGA to give him up and draft picks for
Paul George? Paul George was once a great player. once
a great player, but I got it. You got to
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get a sense of how good somebody is. It's, I
remember having a conversation with Mark McGuire. This is years ago,
back in the nineties. And I said, Hey, who do you,
who's surprising you in a spring training? He goes, this guy,
Albert Pujols, he might be the best hitter I've ever seen.
And I'm going, wow. And he was a rookie. I said,
(29:01):
what makes him special? He goes, He just is a
great hitter. He can hit homers. He can hit singles.
Great back control. You know, he just raved about Albert Pujols.
And I just kind of kept that in the back
of my mind. And I was doing fantasy back then.
And I remember I was like, man, when do I
(29:21):
take Albert Pujols? Like, I'm going to surprise everybody, you know.
Albert Pujols was taken by somebody else who was part
of the Baseball Tonight staff. And they– They knew about
Albert Pujols as well, that he was going to be
a star. But you get that feeling of, SGA now
watching him at Kentucky I thought okay good player but
(29:44):
like just another Kentucky player first round pick averages 20
and you know makes 500 million dollars I don't think
anybody saw this coming yes Marv.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well the same thing with Jalen Brunson Like, we didn't
think he'd be this. You thought he'd be a good
player because SGA was the centerpiece for the Thunder when
they made the Paul George trade.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He's going to be a good player, average, like you said,
about 20 a night, make a couple of all-star teams,
but you never thought he'd be a two-time league MVP. No.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
And Brunson was great in high school, but considered an overachiever.
You win a couple of titles when you're at Villanova,
but it still came back to... And look, I did
this with Steve Nash. I watched him in college, and
I thought, you know, cute story. And I remember an agent,
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Bill Duffy. He's like, you don't get it, man. I go,
what do you mean? He goes, he's going to be
a star. And I was like, I don't know, man.
It took a little while. Like, imagine the Suns having
Kevin Johnson, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Which Hall of Famer do we want to put into
the lineup here? But yeah, it's weird sometimes. You'll see it,
but then you don't see it. And maybe that was
the case with the Clippers. I don't know. But you
talk about a trade. I mean, trades that crushed you.
I mean, when you think about 12 first-round picks, Shea Gilgis,
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$ 30 million, and you get a guy who averaged 47
games a year for seven years in L.A. And now Kawhi.
I thought they were going to suspend Kawhi. I thought
they were going to make him stay in Los Angeles,
suspend him, not let him go to Toronto. But I
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believe the Clippers are going to get two first-round picks.
Brian Windhorst was reporting this in the trade with Toronto. Now,
do they get two? So is it five first-round picks,
but then they're getting two from Toronto?
Speaker 11 (31:54):
No.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So maybe they're going to lose three first-round picks. And
who knows the other shoe to drop here. All right,
let me take a break. That was good to have
Mike Tomlin on and to see him smile. Like it
was kind of like, whoa, who are you? He was happy.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
Who are you?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
He's in vacation mode. All right, we'll take a break.
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Speaker 4 (32:32):
This is the play of the day.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Check this out.
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Jax is 1-1.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Swing and a fly ball to the gap in left
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is off the top of the wall and in play.
Two runs score. Ewing flying around third. He scores. Bases
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Major League Baseball. Chris in Syracuse leads us off.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Hi, Chris.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Hey, thanks, Dan. I wanted to comment on the L.A.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Clippers.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
And also on yesterday's show, you were talking about hard-hitting
duos in the NFL and defense. And I love those
Oakland Raider teams of the 70s. On the front line,
you had John Matusik and the Mad Stork. And in
the secondary, Jack Tatum and George Atkinson. And I remember
as a kid, in a preseason game, no less, The hit,
I think it was George Atkinson late on Patriots wide
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receiver Darryl Stingley. That was awful.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That was Jack Tatum.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Oh, was it Tatum? He was one of the two.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, Tatum.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
I'm sure the NBA and Adam Silver wanted to make
an example of the L.A. Clippers by coming down hard
on them. But I wonder if the team in question
was one of the league's really big moneymakers as far
as TV ratings go in a marquee franchise like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks.
If the NBA and Adam Silver would have hit them
as hard, I kind of doubt it.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't know. You're hitting one of the most powerful
people in the world and the most valuable owner in
the NBA. And even Michael Wilbon on Pardon the Interruption
yesterday was talking about, you know, Ballmer's the guy leading expansion.
You know, he's front and center. He's like Jerry Jones
with the NFL owners. And, you know, I give credit
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to Adam Silver that you don't go, oh, I'm going
to give you extra credit or I'm going to maybe
not go in as hard on you because you're so
important to the league. You're an owner. If anything, I
would go after him harder than what they did. He
should know. You're one of the leaders here. Play of
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in South Carolina. Good morning, Ben. What do you have
for me today?
Speaker 8 (35:07):
Good morning, Dan.
Speaker 11 (35:09):
I'm not trying to take a shot at anybody, but
yesterday's Limerick efforts were lackluster at best. So I had
to dial something up for today. I also have a
question for you on the Ryan Leaf interview, but first,
my limerick for Todd. Since you can't, we applaud your
healing power. You show up longer, stronger than Bill Cowher.
(35:32):
Though it may ache for Dylan's sake, please figure out
how to take a cold shower.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
All right. Your question about Ryan Leaf's interview.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
I caught it on Peacock last night. Awesome job, both
of you. He looks so intense, almost angry. Is he
always that way or was something else going on?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Nothing was going on. He was in a good mood.
But I think things are going really well. I think
he wants to make sure that people listen to him
as an analyst as well. So I think he's kind
of focused on being buttoned up when it comes to
giving you opinions on things. The other part, when we
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talked about what happened to him with prescription pills, I
found him to be basically the same in the last
10 years. We did have the one moment in Indianapolis
when we were there for the Super Bowl, and he
was there, and I could tell that he was still using,
but he was telling us that he was clean. But
(36:36):
that was it. And I didn't challenge him that day.
And Paulie was right, because I said, Paulie's still using.
And Paulie's like, don't bring it up. Don't bring it up.
Because it wasn't the time and place to bring it up. But,
you know, I could see that, you know, he was impaired.
But other than that, you know, he's been available, honest
(36:58):
with us. And he's certainly forthcoming when it comes to
those topics on this show. Red in Georgia.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Hi, Red.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 10 (37:09):
Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Dan, I would
like to speak on Mike Tomlin's interview real quick. Dan,
I don't think he don't need much advice. With his personality,
with the right people in the studio, he's going to
do fine, and I'm going to be looking forward to watching. Dan,
I want to talk about Steve Ballmer and the NBA
real quick. I think Adam Silver, I think it would
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be okay for him to find Ballmer as hard as
he wants to and everybody involved, but I think you
really hurt the league and the image and everything when
you're going after the team itself. Because the Clippers have
been down so long, and they get a new stadium,
new arena, and you want them to be as successful
(37:50):
as possible as a league. And, hey, Dan, Adam works
for him. How you can find.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Me, man? He works for all the owners, just not
Steve Ballmer. And everybody can use advice when it comes
to doing TV. I don't care who it is. And
this is new to Mike Tomlin. You went from not
wanting to share at a press conference to now you're
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going to think you're oversharing. But look, Maria Taylor and
that whole crew, they'll do a wonderful job putting him
in a position to succeed. And you have people who've
been there a long, long time. They'll be able to
help him And they probably already saying, you know, this
right here, what you said in that amount of time
was great. You got to the point. And I would
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always say to Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy, tell me
something I don't know. What do you see? I mean,
that's what we want. And that's what I would say
to coach. Tell me something I don't know. Don't say, oh,
both teams are, you know.
Going to fight for this or it's so important or,
you know, the turnover battle or any of those silly things.
(39:04):
Give me something that I can hold on to when
I go into the game. That Coach Tomlin said this. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Did you ever come across anybody that flipped the switch,
so to speak, where they were really stoic and no
personality when they were a player or a coach and
then when they got on TV, they were the complete opposite?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh, Bob Knight. Bob Knight hated us. and then became
one of us. But I found that Coach Knight, on
his terms, had a lot of things to say and
was really a very bright basketball mind, one of the
brightest basketball minds. You got Sterling Sharp. Sterling never talked.
(39:46):
But if you get him, now he never shuts up.
If you're around him, one of the funniest people you'll
be around and extremely smart when it comes to football.
There are guys where you go, boy, that guy's going
to be great. And then they're not great. And then
there are guys you go, well, I don't know about this.
And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, man.
(40:06):
Tony Romo surprised a lot of people. Let's be honest.
Out of the gate, he was on a roll and
all the networks were scrambling. They needed to find their
Tony Romo. Hey, can you predict what's going to happen?
I remember talking to Chris Collinsworth about that. He goes,
I do it. I just don't do it the way
Tony does it. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So was Shannon Sharp the least surprising? Like, okay, of.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Course we knew he was going to be great.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I knew that he would want to talk. But there's
certain guys where you go, like, I thought Gronk would
be better, but maybe that's just Gronk. There's certain guys,
you know what I mean? He's a character. Terry Bradshaw
is a character, a lot to say. Jimmy Johnson became
better than I thought he was going to be. How
(40:55):
long I knew that he was going to be. You know,
even Bill Cowart, like you just don't see them in
that element. But if you're around these guys socially, then
you get a better insight into who they are. Paul's
going to be in the confessional. We'll talk to the
Big Ten commissioner, Tony Petitti. Also, Pablo Torre will join
(41:15):
us in an hour from now. One hour in the
books on this Thursday. Two more to go.
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