December 30, 2024 • 43 mins
Jonas Knox and Brady Quinn are in for Dan Patrick, reacting to a tough slate of blowouts in week 17. Cam Ward gets heat for sitting at halftime of the Pop Tarts Bowl, but the real controversy should be how the NCAA tracks records. Plus, a $500M fight and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Here Fox Sports Radio in for the Dan Patrick Show,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for DP and the guys.
We are going to talk about Week seventeen in the NFL.
We got one more game to go on Monday Night?
But does it mean anything if you're the Lions? Do
you even risk injury if the game doesn't matter whatsoever?
Because it's all going to come down to that game
against Minnesota next week. We will also discuss what Week
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seventeen look like in the NFL. As far as we
wanted football every single day of the week, we nearly
got it. But bad football was seen by a lot
and seen most of the time. What is the problem
in the league? Will break that down. Apparently people have
a problem, Speaking of which with cam Ward and his
decision in the Pop Tarts Bowl also frosted, unfrosted pop
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Tarts microwave do you put it in the toaster? There's
a debate to be had there. We will discuss the
apparent big fight that could be taking place in all
places but India, Yeah, believe it or not. We're also
going to talk about the giants questionable decision to move
on from Saquon Barkley as he's chasing history. They blew
their opportunity at the number one pick, and we will
hand out the award for least interesting team in the NFL.
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Quinn and LaVar Ering Tad.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
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is the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Yeah, where's var You know, since where I am am
moving day is moving day, A lot of things come
along with.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
That damn six am moving trunk. Excuse to me every time,
thoughts and prayers. I've been through enough moves. If anyone
followed my NFL career, they would have seen that. I
actually at one point thought.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
I shouldn't like create a moving company because I feel
like I've got this kind of figured out at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So it's a pain in the ass. It is a
miserable experience. It is done in a couple of times,
and I hate it.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I think the hardest thing about it, too, is you
gotta get rid of stuff. And for some of us
out there who are sentimental, especially on the holidays, it
can be tough. There's there's that stuff that you want
to keep that you're like, oh, I remember when, or
this brings babe back to a good time, or even
like clothes, sometimes you're like, oh, no, I'm gonna wear that.
I'm gonna wear that in a couple months when the
weather changes a little bit. Just just get rid of it.
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You haven't worn it, and probably I don't know six
months a year, you don't wear it enough, just just
get rid of it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
What's donating to someone who does?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So, what's the trick? They say, you're closing the closet,
you turn them you turn the hangar around the other way.
And if at the end of the year you didn't
turn it back, it means you never used it. It means
you probably don't need it, so you just toss it.
But some people struggle with that, you know. I mean,
I'll say this though, who says the NFL doesn't deliver
some great games?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Huh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Football?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
You know how much? Says that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The NFL is slowly wrapping up what has felt like
the longest week of NFL football that I can recall
that in a long ass time.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
But before you dive in on that, Yes, back during COVID,
you and I used to talk about this, and this
past week was essentially a sample of what it would
be like if we had NFL games throughout the.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Course of the week, including on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
And I gotta be honest with you, I didn't like
it as much as I thought I would, But at
the same time, I liked having the opportunity to watch
more teams in standalone windows throughout the.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Course of the week.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
I don't know how you felt, but for me, for
a lot of my buddies too, especially those guys who
like to gamble a little bit, it became more attractive
and more fun from that standpoint. But that being said,
what became very apparent was the lack of parody in
the league as we had what eight games I think,
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you know, we were decided by more than one score
two score games.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean it's more than that. Like, this is how
bad it is.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's easier to count the number of good games, Like
what were the real good games that we got over
the past several days. Cincinnati And the only reason Cincinnati
and Denver was good is because the Bengals clock management
was so atrocious at the end of that game that
they thought it was a good idea to score with
a minute and change left to go and Denver having timeouts.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Apparently that was.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I mean, last night Washington and Atlanta was good. Yeah,
that was good. And then I mean, here's the thing
is like Seattle Chicago was close, I don't know anywhere game.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, that's just awful football. Like I'm watching going, look,
this is what we've as you mentioned, we've talked about
to where hey games all the time. Also to your
point on the standalone stuff, totally agree because one of
the things that I feel like the NFL could do
a better job of, and they do a lot of
things great, and you know, we get you know, called out,
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Oh you guys are just all you guys do is
a fanboy for the league, dude. One of the things
the NFL could do a better job of is spacing
out some of the games. Like there are times to
where you have so many early window games on a
Sunday and then just a few of the later games.
And I've always felt like to actually get to take
in and watch all these teams and see these storylines
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and whatnot, you do need to space it out a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So that was nice. But I mean, as far as
the quality of games go, good, Christ, there was some
terrible football games, like terrible, terrible.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Mean, there is a reason why the lighting is a
certain way in clubs and in bars right when people
go out. The point, yeah, they're trying to hide some
of those some of those things they don't want other
people to see.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
It's kind of like the NFL scheduling.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
You know, they're like, let's talk about one o'clock with
five of their games to make sure no one checks
out how how Cleveland's doing.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, you know what that is. That is a good point.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
If you are a three, blame the electrician, Okay, and
that's that's your that's the problem, and that's the bone
you want to pick with somebody, go ahead and do that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But I listen, man, that was a fun one last night.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean, still, you know Raheems, you know, the timeout
and not calling the timeout on that final driver regulation
not ideal.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But Jaden Daniels stud he is.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
He's the offensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
He's provided I mean, if you look at Washington, I
mean just three years ago, the change in ownership, the
change in head coach, the changing quarterback, and here we
are a team that is now clinched a playoff birth
and I mean, hell, the players are proposing to their
girlfriends after the game. I mean, it's like a storybook.
You can't make this stuff up. And which surprises me
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the most is everyone wants to points like one or
two things. It's the combination of all of it, I mean,
and that's what Washington needed. An unfortunately to move past.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Dan Snyder little Danny as.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
LeVar calls him, and get to a point where you
had it a different culture, a different environment, and a
head coach who saw that too, and a quarterback who's
able to bring.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
That to life. And that's where we're at.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
So it's fun to watch the Washington Commandos the way
they're playing. What it looks like too, because I think
they're one of those teams they think get in the
playoffs play with house money. Man Like, now that they're in,
they're playing with house money, and they are kind of
a scary team when you think about some of the
weapons they have, Jade Daniel's ability to run, the defense
can step up, you know from time to time. That
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would be a team that I would be shocked if
they didn't find a way.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Of winning the wildcard round.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So Dan Quinn, the head coach of the Commander, spoke
about his rookie quarterback afterwards.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
What I told Raheem after the game, I said, man,
there's some things that five does you can't put on
a card. That's the competitor is and I thought he
was fully able to demonstrate that and express himself tonight.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
With his legs with his arm. Yeah, he is a.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Dangerous player and it's not by design that you know
some of these runs that took place, But when the
time comes to go, I thought there were some smart
out of bounds runs, but there are some times when
he's going to go and it's not always. I cringe sometimes,
but I also know that I know what.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
The comp It did feel like going into this season
that it was about for Washington. It was like, hey,
you know, we're like, our goal here is to find
out whether or not we got a guy at quarterback,
Like that's the goal, and then everything else, you know,
you build upon. And yet here they are in the postseason,
and I just I don't know how many people actually
thought that could have been a possibility before the year.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I definitely did not. I was not on that list.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I think it.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
I mean, you look at it, you say it could
be a possibility. I think what stands out to me
too is not to compare Kiler Williams the jayde Daniels,
but if we're looking at the track record now of
guys who have won a Heisman, guys who if you're
purely going off of the tape and that's all we're
doing when we're trying to figure out who's going to
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be the best quarterback of that draft class, you would
have just said Jade Daniels and being done with it,
like you, it didn't really need any further evaluation based
on his last season at LSU. And you can go
back to Joe Burrow back when he was at OSU.
You can go back through kind of the years and
look at some of the different draft classes and go yet, let's.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Not ever think this.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
This guy was the best player in college football on
a team that struggled out around him. Yeah, he lifted
everyone up and that's exactly what he's gonna be asked
to do once he gets to the NFL level. And
that's what he's done. So as we like spin that
forward and we've got teams who are trying to evaluate
different players in this draft, they're gonna be looking at
their size, their measurables, the interview, all the other stuff
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outside of the actual playing the game itself.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And it's why and we'll get into the topic.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
But like Shador Sanders for me is number one based
on how he played this past season.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I know the bowl game wasn't great and that was
probably tough.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
To watch for a lot of CU fans, But you
look at his entire body of work the past couple
of seasons, look at the success of Colorado from where
they were a few years ago to where they are now.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
He fits that bill.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Another guy fits that bill, and I think he more
is going to be talked about in regards to the size,
the measurables, the concerns and all that is. Cam Warden
didn't matter. Fields at Washington State didn't matter. I feels
at Miami go look at the way he improved those
teams with.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
His level of play.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
And that's one of those things like it seems like
sometimes teams franchise overthinking. They kind of overthink that process
of like what are we trying to evale about what
really matters. It's the tape, That's all that really matters
at the end of the day. It's playing football. All
the other stuff you can continue to keep building on
and working on. But it just it always surprises me
when people are surprised when they they're like, oh, yeah,
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the guy who uh yeah, the guy who won the
Heisman Trophy his final year, he's coming. He's led his
team to the playoffs. Now in his rookie year, It's like, well,
why is that overly surprising?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Like is that?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
I mean, it just it comes off as shocking to
me that people are surprised by it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Bucky Brooks always told me that in scouting it was
pretty simple that, yeah, you go by the tape first
and then you start to work in some of those
other things. But if the tape stands out and you
see him in an actual game situations and scenarios, then
that that makes your decision a lot easier. Yet for
some reason teams don't do that. They and look, Caleb
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Williams was identified as going to be the guy for
months and months and months and was going to be
the player there, and it just goes to show you
the stability that they have in Washington and everything surrounding him.
Like if he has a bad game, it doesn't feel
like it's the end of the word. And there's been
times Jaden Daniels hasn't played all that all that great
and certain situations in certain games, But if Caleb Williams
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has a bad game, it is bust Sky is falling.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's terrible. They made a mistake, dude.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
There's a lot going on around him that just feels
like chaos, like absolute chaos. Coordinators fired, coaches fired, like
everything that's happened this year is the wrong way to
try and develop a quarterback, it feels like. And Jade
Daniels hasn't had to deal with any of that, Like.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Well, we have the Bears ever developed a quarterback?
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No, I mean they listen, they trade it for you know,
there was that and you know, Mitch Trubisky got him
to the postseason twice, so you know there is some
optimism there. And there was that one time in nineteen
eighty five that they want a Super Bowl that they're
still hanging on to.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So there was there was that as well.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Okay, Well, and I guess it goes back to the
original point the Bears.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I guess more recent.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Runner lack of success is one in which I don't
know anyone's gonna call for. Well, I guess fans have
called for Minkael mccaskey's to sell the team, but that's
not realistic. The problem is is how do you go about,
you know, trying to build and create the culture that
they need in order to be ultimately successful and replicate
what we're saying from Washington and if ownership's not changing,
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then you're looking at, Okay, who are you bringing in
that's going to be able to overcome or or book
the trend of ownership's decisions and their impact. It's a
tough call because depending on who's involved in that decision
in the first place, they're gonna go to have power
over that person, whether it's Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, a
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combination of the two, the mccaskeys. I mean, no matter
how you cut it, that decision is going to be
a tough one for any potential candidate who's looking at
as a head potential head coach, because he's got to
answer to someone who doesn't have a.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Great track record.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
And and you know, a year or two from now,
he get once a big game, be on the hot seat.
I mean, that's essentially what you're looking at. Even as
good as Kaile Williams is, he can't overcome the dysfunction.
We've talked about that on our show week in week
out with some of the various organizations that seem to
struggle time and time again.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Speaking of the NFC North, it's all going down to
the final game. That'll be the Sunday Night Football feature
between the Vikings and the Packers next week and man, Minnesota,
like I don't know or excuse me, the Lions and
why I want to say the Packers, my apologies definitely
not the Packers. They're they're not involved in that conversation.
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They struggle against the NFC North, apparently the Bears, but
the Lions and the Vikings. It all comes down to
next week for the division for the number one seed.
Speaking of things that we didn't think were possible before
the year, the over underwin total for Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Was what six six and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It has been an incredible run and they feel like
they're getting better as well too, like they feel like
they are striding down the stretch. And I don't think
it's a crazy thought to think that Minnesota beats Detroit
next week and all of a sudden, the Vikings and
Sam darn are a host in a playoff game. It's
wild to think about that. That's where we're at when
it comes to the Vikings and the conversation around him.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
And you probably can't understate the job that Kevin O'Connell's
done as far as.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Coach of the year.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I mean, it should probably come down to that game.
I'm not sure who you want to throw into that conversation.
Maybe you want to Sandy Reid. I don't know that
he ever gets enough credit because I think we look
at him with Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Chris John's,
all these pieces they have, and we just say, oh, well,
they should win a.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Bunch of games. First off, that's not an easy division.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
And second, it's hard to continually have and maintain that
success that they've had. So maybe Andy reach should be
more talked about for But it feels like between Dan
Campbell Kevin.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
O'Connell that should be on the line at least for
this one.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, granted I still.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Game to go for the Detroit Lions, but you know,
before you get there. But am I Am I wrong
in that assessment?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, it's over, Like I think it's Kevin O'Connell's Like
I think he's already I mean, he's a you know,
ten to one on DraftKings right now, you know, So
it feels like that's a wrap. Dan Campbell is next
up and then you get Andy Reid and Dan Quinn.
But yeah, Kevin O'Connell feels like like that's all that's
all she wrote on that. So and then the discussion
will get louder after the season about what Minnesota should
do with Sam Darnold, how they play their cards when
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it comes to that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Diana Rassini over the weekend reported that there's the potential
that they could do a short term deal but still
keep JJ McCarthy in the fold. Pete Prisco and I
kind of throughout some scenarios, you know, pets up for
throwing out some wild stuff that you know, maybe they
maybe they call Las Vegas and be like, hey, I
know there's a Michigan thing going on there. JJ McCarthy interested,
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you know, signed Sam Darnold, do a longer term deal
and then the Raiders get their quarterback of the future
decision solved for him. So I don't know, there's some
some stuff out there from Minnesota to think about, but
awesome job for Kevin O'Connell on them. And then Brian
Flores is probably gonna get some head coach in consideration
as well too with that defense, so.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
As you should.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
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Speaker 1 (18:02):
But should he be We'll explain next here on FSR.
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Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's the Dan Patrick Show here Fox Sports Radio. Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox in for DP and the guys coming up
here in a little over twenty minutes from now. Apparently
one of the big fights, one of the big battles
that a lot of people didn't think we were going
to get to see.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
We might might be on the verge of it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
We will get into that for you again a little
over twenty minutes from now. So it is bowl season
in college football and when you talk about great discussions,
it all centers around the.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Pop tarts bowl.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
That's right, you know, frost way it delivered.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Say what you want, man, Just like those brown sugar cinnamon,
like those ones.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Those always hit. That was my favorite I was little.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, frost unfrosted doesn't matter to pop tart.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Unfrosted.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, some people are into the unfrosted stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
That's like a toaster shrudle. That's not that's not a poptart.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Look the frosting on a pop tart. I'm not sure
when that was made and how it was made. No
offense to pop.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Tart, buddy.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
If you eat a pop tart, you're not overly concerned
with the health or nutrition facts.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
You're eating a pop tart.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
By the way, toaster or microwave for a pop tart
toaster it it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's a bet.
I feel like it's a better cook in a microwave.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
To be honest with you, every time I want to
I want to like you, you say something like that
and it's just I can't.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Lee, what's your problem?
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I don't even know where to start When did you
ever put one in a microwave?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't mean it's a kid, you just throw it
in the microwave. It's a better cook o. My god, Mark,
why are you shaking your head?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Toaster? Toaster? Toast it all right? What are you putting?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Say it again?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I say it once a week. You deserve all the
backlash you get on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
You really do.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It's fortakes like this that you deserve the backlash that
that you received.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
There are different options out there. It's almost changed everything
for me.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Screw you, Mark, And I'm just saying there's options out there,
right if the.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Good for you? Mark?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
By the way, I do like made for the toasted.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And I also like how pop tarts don't even give
you the option of having one. You open a bag,
you're getting two and if you don't eat the other one,
it's going stale. So like, no, not only you're eating bad,
you're eating bad twice.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I just can't believe you said unfrosted, Like that's who
who the right mind would get a pop start unfrosted.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I don't know, man, Some people are into it, you know,
some people listen. Some people are into weird stuff I
don't have to tell.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Okay, it's it's like getting a giant sized Snickers barn
onying half of it.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
You're like, oh, I'm worried about the sugar and the
calories in it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, Well it's the the old Rob Parker trick. You
you eat healthy but still get dessert. It's like he's like, oh,
I got a I got a burger with no bun,
but I ordered a chocolate Sunday after words, Dude, just
get the bun. What's the point? Like, you just did
more damage to yourself.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
So aren't you making our argument right now?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Uh? Well no, I'm just telling you that there's an
option out there for people if they don't like the frosting.
The frosting's not that great.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I mean I have not seen an unfrosted pop tart
in forever, mostly because anyone who eats an unfrosted pop
tart probably got shoved at a locker. We've never seen
them since. I'm just saying, what's with.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
The violence, It's just a it's a it's a strudle, Like,
what what's the violence here? Over a breakfast snack that's
not good for you?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
And pop tarts are way better than Toaster Struddle. I mean,
there's a reason why Toaster Struddle hasn't sponsored a bowl game?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
All right, yeah, I would agree. Yeah, were they even
in the in the contention for the bowl game? But
apparently you know, if they do partake in sponsoring a
bowl game, they'll be there for the entire game.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Not like that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Damn cam Ward? How dare he not return for the
second half? He had to be ashamed of himself. All right,
do it for your team?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Are we believing in the fake outrage that there was
around cam Ward?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Who?
Speaker 6 (22:02):
And this is the explanation that I guess was given
because Mario Cristobal, the head coach at the University of Miami,
didn't really elaborate on what that conversation was with cam
Wood behind the scenes, simply said that we had an
individual conversation with a lot of players who were deciding
whether they wanted to play or sit out the game.
And he's going to leave it at that, which was
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which is a smart way of handling it, because every
player's situation circumstance is different. Could cam Ward have set
out of that game altogether? Of course, in all seriousness.
Three weeks ago, the Miami Hurricanes were potentially playing for
an ACC championship and a spot in the College Football
Playoff and then come to find out a few weeks later,
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now they're losing in the Pop Tarts Bowl. Like that
is a dramatic fall from grace from where Miami fans
thought their.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Team was three four weeks ago. So here we are.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
You've got a player who's choosing to at least participate
in a portion of the game now, even if it's
about well his own selfish reasons, which Camboard was able
to break the NCAA career record for touchdown passes, beating
out Case Keenum during his time there at Houston. And
so he did it in the first half through three
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touchdown passes, got the record, and then sat out the
second half obviously watched his team lose in the final minutes.
Now that being said, I don't really understand the outrage
from this standpoint, Like do people really think NFL teams
are gonna care?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Like he actually put himself out there to play in.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
An era where a lot of players have not only
opted out of games jamore Chase opted out of an
entire season. Do we tend to forget that back when
he was at LSU. And I'm not saying that Jeremiah
Smith would ever do this at Ohio State, but based
on his freshman season, they're obviously still playing for national championship.
Based on what I think he'll do next year as
a sophomore, he would probably have every right to do
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so if he wanted to. I mean, that young man
is NFL ready now, and so to have to put
himself out there and harms away for another year, Yeah,
he'll get an insurance policy, he'll get paid a lot
of nil, but it won't be anywhere close to what
he's going to receive when he's taken somewhere, probably in
the top three picks once he's draft eligible.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
What in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Is that it in twenty twenty seven If my math
is off, but I think you're getting My point is
like we're gonna all of a sudden question the motivation
for a young man who's trying to protect his ability
to move on to the next level make money, which
at that level, there's a lot of players right now
who are playing not to go to the playoffs, but
for incentives for themselves for their contract to make sure
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they prolong their career in the NFL because they can't
necessarily opt out at least now without making it look
kind of shady.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I just I don't get the outrage with any of this.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I think there's do you have a place that you
go to eat with the family where it's like, if
you go to that place, you have to eat that
one specific item because they just like that's what you're
used to whenever you go there. It's like, hey, I'm
going here, I gotta get this, you know, I gotta
get a Like whatever it is with college football, I
think people are just so accustomed to bitching that they
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can't help themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's a Pop Tarts bowl, like.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You've got a weirdo dressed as a breakfast strudle jumping
out of a fake toaster. At the end of the game,
cam Ward goes out there, he plays the first half,
he breaks the record.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
It's overdone. There doesn't need to be a conversation afterwards.
He did what he did. Good for him. He assumed
the risk. He went out there, He put it on
the line for the first half. You could get hurt
at in any half of a game.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Like you remember Jalen Smith who got hurt playing like
people criticized him afterwards, saying, yeah, it's nice that he
went out and played, but you got to think about
your draft stock. That guy was a top five pick,
but in the bag top five pickback and I think.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What twenty sixteen yea.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And so when Christian McCaffrey sat out a bowl game,
he got criticized for it. When Leonard Fournett sat out
of a bowl game, he got criticized for it. All
they're being selfish, and so here cam Ward actually lays
the first half, goes out, breaks a record, and then
sits out the second half. No, no, no, you've got
to commit to the entire game.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
What God does his work like they you can't help,
But bitch, people just want to complain when they talk
about college football.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It doesn't matter what the discussion is. We've got other
conversations coming up. People just want to complain about college
football because they're just so accustomed to doing it.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm convinced.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Maybe they just want to see Cam wod get a
piece of that gigantic pop tart there at the end. Yeah,
Matt Campbell and rock O Beck or dive it into
all that icy you hate so much. I mean, if
he really want to be upset about something, we should
be upset about the fact that the NCAA is allowing
a career record for touchdown passes to count for cam Woard.
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Like if you really want me to get on my
soapbox and take like one of those hot takes.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Okay, here it is all right. Cam Woard played five years.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Okay, he did so, two of which where the some
of these stats were amounted and Incarnate Word, which is
an FCS school. So is it really comparable to compare
case Keenum, who at least played at the FBS level
for four years and in three games in a year
he got a medical red shirt when he tore his ACL.
To accumulate those career stats or five years of playing,
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because that first year in Carnal Word was a COVID year,
they get the additional year of eligibility. So all those
stats count, all those touchdown passes count towards this record.
And so not only should there be I don't know,
I want want to say an asterisk, but we're counting
a five year career versus a four and three games
for a medical red shirt and we're counting it two
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of those years at a lower level where he absolutely dominated,
then went to Washington State, then went to Miami. So
kudos to cam Ward for the success that he's had.
But I would go a step further and say this, like,
what's starting to bother me a lot about everything that's
happening in the college football space is we talk about
the history, we talk about the tradition. You know what,
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we do an awful job of protecting that history and
that tradition, the legacy of guys like Barry Sanders, for example,
who rushed for over two thousand yards what was the
You could look up the exact number during his time
at Oklahoma State, but he didn't been like eleven games
and an Ashton genty look great player at Boise State,
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obviously a Heisman finalist, Doak Walker winner, He's incredible.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Let's not compare him though, to Barry Sanders.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Like, as much as we want to talk about how
well this is a part of Ashton Gent's legacy, or
this is a part of Camboard's legacy, that's true, but
what are we doing to protect the legacy of the
guys who came before them? Like it's it's not even
comparable what Barry Sanders did in eleven games rushing versus
what Ashton Genty has done. At this point, where are
you still counting the stats?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Isn't fair.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
It's not fair to the past players who only had
four years of eligibility to do it, and you now
have guys who have stats that are counting for five years,
six years because of COVID, because of red shirt years,
medical red shirts that they're counting. Like, if you really
want to dig into, like what the issue should be
with this conversation is the fact that he was playing
in the first half at all to go try to
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break this career touchdown record. Is part of the issue
with the NCAA is we try to make up ways
that guys can break records when they're eligibility. Now that
we've got Diego Pava, who's eligible again next year, the
quarterback at Vanderbilt because his JUCO years didn't count, So
we keep changing and moving the goalposts with what these
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records are. That's the most ridiculous part of all of
this that no one's talking about. And so, yeah, it's
awesome that cam Ward is able to throw for that
many touchdown passes, but in reality, like he didn't do
it on a per game basis the way case Keenum did.
He didn't do it consistently at that high level or
at a higher level like Houston during the time case
Keenum did.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
So you can give cam Ward the record. I think
there'd be an asterisk next next to it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Six twenty eight yards for Barry Sanders in nineteen eighty eight,
which and eleven games right mine. But yes, mind boggling.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
And yet we're still like comparing players now who are
playing into you know, Bowl games and conference championships and
into the playoff now, which has been extended, and yet we're.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Counting all of that. It's like, oh, he broke the record.
It's like, imagine, if.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Barry played fourteen games, do the math on that, he
would have won over three thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I mean, at this point, isn't cam McCormick like on
the verge of breaking the all time receiving record.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean he should be. He's been there thirty seven years.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Maybe not not that record. I don't know what he's
got calling the Miami, but there's some other records.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You know, if you're going to if you're to stick
around like, how many like Cam McCormick just turned fifty three,
by the way, so he's he's still like they got
another year of eligibility.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Cam Rising might come back for another year.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
There's all that you're seven year eight.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's something discount at this point.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
And here's I'm not going to bash the young men
for coming back and taking their opportunity to play, but
I think again we're moving the goalpost in regards to
how we want to talk about what our career records
and all these stats and all these ways that were
acknowledging accomplishments for players.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
It was like, well, yeah, of course we'd throw.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
For that many yards if you could play five six
years and all those years counted. So again, that's more
of my biggest gripe with all this, like, it's really
surprising that as many people, especially in this day and age,
and again as I've said before, where players have opted
out of an entire season, and we see players opted
out of Bowl games all the time, especially ones that
are insignificant. And yet yeah, that's where the outrage is
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because you only played half the game. I mean he
did spot his team three points at half. I mean
they were up three points in Iowa State, So it
was better than if he didn't play at all and
they started zero zero.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He did his job. Blame the bullpen, you know, it's
not his fault. They blew the game for him. By
the way, would you have done anything different in the
new landscape on your decision to come out because you
had another year of eligibility?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (31:54):
No, I came back, so again, back during those years
you have, you know, once that clock starts, unless I
would have had a medical red SRO, I guess I
could have sat out a year in between or something.
But you know, once it starts, you're playing. And the
decision would have been to come out after my junior year.
And for me personally, it just it felt like between
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the class of guys that I was with wanting to graduate.
Then I talked to some older guys who had given
me the advice that's just said, it's really really.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Hard to come back and finish your degree.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
They're like life just kind of hits you at a
time where you know, Drove Bettis I think in a
couple of years ago. Yeah, finally came back and got
his degree, which is awesome and it was incredible. It's
fun to watch. He's one of the most charismatic people
you ever meet. But imagine that like having kids and
his son's now committed to come to Notre Dame soon.
I mean, imagine stating in class with your son. You know,
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you're trying to finish up your underground. He's starting right
like granted he being different classes, different levels, but it
would be to a degree by then you're like, all,
who's doing the homework? Dad, so doing the homework. But
the general point is I wanted to come back. I
wanted to get my degree. I wanted another shot at
trying to win a national championship. I wanted to be
there with the guys I came in with. We had
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a really close class of guys. I wanted to be
there for another year with them and try to obtain
all those things. So it ended up not working out,
But I wouldn't change, you know, that final year for anything,
Like it was a great ride.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I love Notre Dame. I love my alma mater, and.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Like I said, I just I wish, if anything, there's
times where I wonder back if I could have expressed
more of an interest of wanting to red shirt and
that way my true freshman year, I would have maybe
gone through a lot of the lumps that I went
through and trying to learn and trying to improve as
a player, and would have been more mature, more prepared,
especially within that offense, because it's not like we could.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Enroll early like back then.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
I came up early in the summer for workouts and things,
but that was the extent. You know they we weren't
allowed to enroll like and genuinely like to do now
and then and practice through spring practice.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Hell, some of these guys are actually to prepare for
the bowl games. You know.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Juju Lewis I believe his last name, the quarterback who's
committed to Colorado to come in behind Sadu or Sanders
as their starter. He's been practicing throughout you know, the
bull practice before the alimable, So that experience would be incredible.
I think LeVar said, man man, his son is already
in state college and if they were to win a
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national title that he would he would be eligible for
a ring, right, which is crazy. I mean again, different
strokes for different folks. I'm not sure I would accept
something if it wasn't there the entire year, But the
general point is it's it's very different now and and
it wasn't that way Notre Dame back then. It is
now you have the capability of doing that, so that
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that's one of the things that I wish I could
have done, either enrolled earlier at the halfway point of
my senior in high school and got up to school
earlier to then prepare more for that spring, or if
red shirted.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I mean, those are the things I more think about.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
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Speaker 9 (36:40):
Good morning, everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
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Speaker 9 (36:44):
In case you missed this, Hey Brady, good morning to you. Hey,
we have had rumors out there that har of our guys.
In case you miss this's d.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I'm no, it's okay, guys.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
In case you missed this, we have heard rumors that
we might be getting a return of Connor McGregor to
the octagon. Well, it might not be the octagon, but
it might be combat sports. He seems to have confirmed
that a fight has been agreed upon between him and
Logan Paul. It would be taking place in India and
would be a five hundred million dollar fight where they
would split two hundred and fifty Well, they would each
get two hundred fifty.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Million in India.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Let's go Logan Paul fight.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
In the past, he did an exhibition with Floyd Mayweather.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
He bought, he fought, uh.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
God, who's the the other guy who's like, uh, I
can't think of him.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
But he had Roman Reigns.
Speaker 9 (37:42):
No, No, he challenging. No, he challenged it my fault.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
By the way, Roman Reigns played Brady Quinn when he
was playing college.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Football back in the day. That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Joe and Noah was.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
He was a defensive lineman, a captain for George Attack.
It's not very nice to you.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
We won the game. I wouldn't expect him to be.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean he's he hasn't He's wrestling career has
taken off, and he's great at wrestling. I think he
just had a kid. It's here's the problem, real quick.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
He's great at what WWE Yeah, okay, well it is
all right.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
He's been great.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
But Connor McGregor said, it's a long departure talking about
w IS wrestling versus mixed martial arts. I agree, But
Connor McGregor says a lot of stuff on social media
and then some of it gets deleted, and then other
stuff stays up there and then eventually gets deleted.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I'll just I'll believe it when I see it. He
was supposed to be backfighting in the UFC over a
year ago. Two years ago, they had to fight with
Michael Chandler that kept getting pushed off. It's just at
this point, I don't know if he ever fights in
the UFC again, And I don't know if he ever
comes back and fights period. He just feels like he's
he's got the money, he's got other things going on.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Probably Logan, Paul Globally. I would say Logan Paul.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Yeah, I mean the only reason I'll push back on
that is Jake Paul's had other fights. As soon as
you attached to Mike Tyson's name to it, that's what
made it a big deal. And I think Connor McGregor
attached to this fight is what makes it a big deal.
Otherwise it's just someone else that one of the Paul
brothers has set up to try to make a bunch
of money off of fighting where they're probably gonna win
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in the end based on the terms of the agreement
on the fight and all that. So that's that's only
pushed back got half. The other thing I was gonna
ask is who is the better fighter, Jake or Logan.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh, Jake Paul better boxer, Yeah, by far.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Because I mean he's actually fought you know, legitimate fights,
to where Logan Paul I think, has just done some exhibitions.
Both of them are skilled and by the way, athletic wise,
like both of them legitimate athletes and have done you know,
great things with what the opportunities have been given. The
fact also that this fight is in India. If it
were to take place, I think we should go. I
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had Indian food on Friday night.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
By the way, did you, yeah, hey, Lee, what happened
the last time you had Indian food? Uh?
Speaker 9 (40:10):
Well, Mark would probably be best to tell you what's.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Yeah, Mark, the last time we had Indian food?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I have to get a new note.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Audience, For those aren't listening, Lee de Lapp has quite
possibly some of the worst flatulens that anyone that's worked
with them has ever encountered.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Mark had to get a new nose. What are you,
Michael Jackson going on here? It's still growing back right now? Geez?
What else we got?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Lee?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well?
Speaker 9 (40:38):
Speaking of keeping in the fighting world, one of Jake
Paul's former opponents, Ryan Borland, Him and Le'Veon Bell are
going to be fighting next this year, right in twenty
twenty five. I think they're scheduled for April. They're gonna
be fighting in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
By the way, Le'Veon Bell knocking out in Adrian Peterson
was disturbing to watch. I kind of hated watching it,
I too, Like, I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I didn't want to remember Adrian Peterson like that. It
kind of bothered me.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
But Leveon Bell he can he can throw a little bit,
so good for him. You could probably have, you know,
extra fifteen million dollars lying around if you had except
for the franchise tag from the Steelers years ago.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
So don't say that, man, just I mean, it doesn't
Does he have any regrets? Has he talked about that since?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I think he has said that he regrets it.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I just remember that when he made the decision not
to come back, that all his teammates raided his locker
while he was gone.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Just like all right, well we're taking this then just went.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Through it to cut through a world?
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Man, Do you imagine it if like you or Lee
left us, lavarn now would be in that thing to everything.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
What do you think you would find in Lee's lockers?
Since we're on the top.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
And Lee's I don't know, probably some food that has
been eating for like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
What else do you think you would find it?
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Evan Williams.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Apparently a dead bat now by the way, Lee, why
didn't amongst other things?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Lee, why did you get it? Evan Williams Packers Jersey?
I thought about it? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Get it?
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Like?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Get it?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Getting accustom made? Where it's got his first and last
name on the back.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Come one, by the way, For those of you wondering,
Brian Borland has fought nineteen professional fights, have won on
seventeen of them.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
So, but this is old. This is from January of
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, well, what else we got?
Speaker 7 (42:22):
Lee?
Speaker 9 (42:22):
Well, in case you did miss that Packers game versus
the Vikings yesterday, you might have missed. Justin Jefferson's chain
fell off his Apparently his million dollar chain is what
it's reported to be worth. He stuffed it, quickly, stuffed
it into his crotch and kept on playing.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Uh what, yeah, he.
Speaker 9 (42:38):
Took He picked up the chain and threw it into
his pants and continued the drive.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I've never heard of a million dollar jockstrap until now.
So why the chains and the jewelry while you're playing
a game? I don't get it, I really don't. Baseball
does it worse than anybody Like some of the chains
those guys are wearing are wild. The difference is you're
never going to come in contact with someone who may
rip it off or have an issue where it's going
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to fall off as often.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
In baseball as you would in football. So I can.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
Understand it in baseball to a degree. The football thing,
I've never understood now. I'm sure he's got an insurance
policy on it, which if it is a million dollars,
that's probably not cheap.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
But still, it's just it's never been worth it. But
it's a flex, man, it's a flex for a lofe.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
What was it a keep to leave in Michael Crabtree?
Were they the ones that were snatching chains? Snatch a
chain off someone's neck in the middle of a game,
talk about priorities, like, I'm getting that thing no matter what.
What's the most expensive thing at jewelry? You got, Brady, Like,
you're an expensive guy.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
What's the most don't I don't wear jewel I don't
really watches. I like one of those watches you like
work out with. That's the extent of it.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I'll spend in the old the old Time X good
for you. Old actually
Two pros and a cup of Joe.
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We are going to talk about Week seventeen in the NFL.
We got one more game to go on Monday Night?
But does it mean anything if you're the Lions? Do
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Because it's all going to come down to that game
against Minnesota next week. We will also discuss what Week
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seventeen look like in the NFL. As far as we
wanted football every single day of the week, we nearly
got it. But bad football was seen by a lot
and seen most of the time. What is the problem
in the league? Will break that down. Apparently people have
a problem, Speaking of which with cam Ward and his
decision in the Pop Tarts Bowl also frosted, unfrosted pop
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Tarts microwave do you put it in the toaster? There's
a debate to be had there. We will discuss the
apparent big fight that could be taking place in all
places but India, Yeah, believe it or not. We're also
going to talk about the giants questionable decision to move
on from Saquon Barkley as he's chasing history. They blew
their opportunity at the number one pick, and we will
hand out the award for least interesting team in the NFL.
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Speaker 6 (02:18):
Yeah, where's var You know, since where I am am
moving day is moving day, A lot of things come
along with.
Speaker 7 (02:27):
That damn six am moving trunk. Excuse to me every time,
thoughts and prayers. I've been through enough moves. If anyone
followed my NFL career, they would have seen that. I
actually at one point thought.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
I shouldn't like create a moving company because I feel
like I've got this kind of figured out at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So it's a pain in the ass. It is a
miserable experience. It is done in a couple of times,
and I hate it.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I think the hardest thing about it, too, is you
gotta get rid of stuff. And for some of us
out there who are sentimental, especially on the holidays, it
can be tough. There's there's that stuff that you want
to keep that you're like, oh, I remember when, or
this brings babe back to a good time, or even
like clothes, sometimes you're like, oh, no, I'm gonna wear that.
I'm gonna wear that in a couple months when the
weather changes a little bit. Just just get rid of it.
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You haven't worn it, and probably I don't know six
months a year, you don't wear it enough, just just
get rid of it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
What's donating to someone who does?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So, what's the trick? They say, you're closing the closet,
you turn them you turn the hangar around the other way.
And if at the end of the year you didn't
turn it back, it means you never used it. It means
you probably don't need it, so you just toss it.
But some people struggle with that, you know. I mean,
I'll say this though, who says the NFL doesn't deliver
some great games?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Huh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Football?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
You know how much? Says that.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The NFL is slowly wrapping up what has felt like
the longest week of NFL football that I can recall
that in a long ass time.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
But before you dive in on that, Yes, back during COVID,
you and I used to talk about this, and this
past week was essentially a sample of what it would
be like if we had NFL games throughout the.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Course of the week, including on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
And I gotta be honest with you, I didn't like
it as much as I thought I would, But at
the same time, I liked having the opportunity to watch
more teams in standalone windows throughout the.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Course of the week.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
I don't know how you felt, but for me, for
a lot of my buddies too, especially those guys who
like to gamble a little bit, it became more attractive
and more fun from that standpoint. But that being said,
what became very apparent was the lack of parody in
the league as we had what eight games I think,
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you know, we were decided by more than one score
two score games.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean it's more than that. Like, this is how
bad it is.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's easier to count the number of good games, Like
what were the real good games that we got over
the past several days. Cincinnati And the only reason Cincinnati
and Denver was good is because the Bengals clock management
was so atrocious at the end of that game that
they thought it was a good idea to score with
a minute and change left to go and Denver having timeouts.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Apparently that was.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I mean, last night Washington and Atlanta was good. Yeah,
that was good. And then I mean, here's the thing
is like Seattle Chicago was close, I don't know anywhere game.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, that's just awful football. Like I'm watching going, look,
this is what we've as you mentioned, we've talked about
to where hey games all the time. Also to your
point on the standalone stuff, totally agree because one of
the things that I feel like the NFL could do
a better job of, and they do a lot of
things great, and you know, we get you know, called out,
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Oh you guys are just all you guys do is
a fanboy for the league, dude. One of the things
the NFL could do a better job of is spacing
out some of the games. Like there are times to
where you have so many early window games on a
Sunday and then just a few of the later games.
And I've always felt like to actually get to take
in and watch all these teams and see these storylines
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and whatnot, you do need to space it out a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So that was nice. But I mean, as far as
the quality of games go, good, Christ, there was some
terrible football games, like terrible, terrible.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Mean, there is a reason why the lighting is a
certain way in clubs and in bars right when people
go out. The point, yeah, they're trying to hide some
of those some of those things they don't want other
people to see.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
It's kind of like the NFL scheduling.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
You know, they're like, let's talk about one o'clock with
five of their games to make sure no one checks
out how how Cleveland's doing.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, you know what that is. That is a good point.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
If you are a three, blame the electrician, Okay, and
that's that's your that's the problem, and that's the bone
you want to pick with somebody, go ahead and do that.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
But I listen, man, that was a fun one last night.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean, still, you know Raheems, you know, the timeout
and not calling the timeout on that final driver regulation
not ideal.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But Jaden Daniels stud he is.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
He's the offensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
He's provided I mean, if you look at Washington, I
mean just three years ago, the change in ownership, the
change in head coach, the changing quarterback, and here we
are a team that is now clinched a playoff birth
and I mean, hell, the players are proposing to their
girlfriends after the game. I mean, it's like a storybook.
You can't make this stuff up. And which surprises me
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the most is everyone wants to points like one or
two things. It's the combination of all of it, I mean,
and that's what Washington needed. An unfortunately to move past.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Dan Snyder little Danny as.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
LeVar calls him, and get to a point where you
had it a different culture, a different environment, and a
head coach who saw that too, and a quarterback who's
able to bring.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
That to life. And that's where we're at.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
So it's fun to watch the Washington Commandos the way
they're playing. What it looks like too, because I think
they're one of those teams they think get in the
playoffs play with house money. Man Like, now that they're in,
they're playing with house money, and they are kind of
a scary team when you think about some of the
weapons they have, Jade Daniel's ability to run, the defense
can step up, you know from time to time. That
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would be a team that I would be shocked if
they didn't find a way.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Of winning the wildcard round.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So Dan Quinn, the head coach of the Commander, spoke
about his rookie quarterback afterwards.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
What I told Raheem after the game, I said, man,
there's some things that five does you can't put on
a card. That's the competitor is and I thought he
was fully able to demonstrate that and express himself tonight.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
With his legs with his arm. Yeah, he is a.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Dangerous player and it's not by design that you know
some of these runs that took place, But when the
time comes to go, I thought there were some smart
out of bounds runs, but there are some times when
he's going to go and it's not always. I cringe sometimes,
but I also know that I know what.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
The comp It did feel like going into this season
that it was about for Washington. It was like, hey,
you know, we're like, our goal here is to find
out whether or not we got a guy at quarterback,
Like that's the goal, and then everything else, you know,
you build upon. And yet here they are in the postseason,
and I just I don't know how many people actually
thought that could have been a possibility before the year.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I definitely did not. I was not on that list.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I think it.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
I mean, you look at it, you say it could
be a possibility. I think what stands out to me
too is not to compare Kiler Williams the jayde Daniels,
but if we're looking at the track record now of
guys who have won a Heisman, guys who if you're
purely going off of the tape and that's all we're
doing when we're trying to figure out who's going to
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be the best quarterback of that draft class, you would
have just said Jade Daniels and being done with it,
like you, it didn't really need any further evaluation based
on his last season at LSU. And you can go
back to Joe Burrow back when he was at OSU.
You can go back through kind of the years and
look at some of the different draft classes and go yet, let's.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Not ever think this.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
This guy was the best player in college football on
a team that struggled out around him. Yeah, he lifted
everyone up and that's exactly what he's gonna be asked
to do once he gets to the NFL level. And
that's what he's done. So as we like spin that
forward and we've got teams who are trying to evaluate
different players in this draft, they're gonna be looking at
their size, their measurables, the interview, all the other stuff
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outside of the actual playing the game itself.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
And it's why and we'll get into the topic.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
But like Shador Sanders for me is number one based
on how he played this past season.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
I know the bowl game wasn't great and that was
probably tough.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
To watch for a lot of CU fans, But you
look at his entire body of work the past couple
of seasons, look at the success of Colorado from where
they were a few years ago to where they are now.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
He fits that bill.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Another guy fits that bill, and I think he more
is going to be talked about in regards to the size,
the measurables, the concerns and all that is. Cam Warden
didn't matter. Fields at Washington State didn't matter. I feels
at Miami go look at the way he improved those
teams with.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
His level of play.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
And that's one of those things like it seems like
sometimes teams franchise overthinking. They kind of overthink that process
of like what are we trying to evale about what
really matters. It's the tape, That's all that really matters
at the end of the day. It's playing football. All
the other stuff you can continue to keep building on
and working on. But it just it always surprises me
when people are surprised when they they're like, oh, yeah,
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the guy who uh yeah, the guy who won the
Heisman Trophy his final year, he's coming. He's led his
team to the playoffs. Now in his rookie year, It's like, well,
why is that overly surprising?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Like is that?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
I mean, it just it comes off as shocking to
me that people are surprised by it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Bucky Brooks always told me that in scouting it was
pretty simple that, yeah, you go by the tape first
and then you start to work in some of those
other things. But if the tape stands out and you
see him in an actual game situations and scenarios, then
that that makes your decision a lot easier. Yet for
some reason teams don't do that. They and look, Caleb
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Williams was identified as going to be the guy for
months and months and months and was going to be
the player there, and it just goes to show you
the stability that they have in Washington and everything surrounding him.
Like if he has a bad game, it doesn't feel
like it's the end of the word. And there's been
times Jaden Daniels hasn't played all that all that great
and certain situations in certain games, But if Caleb Williams
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has a bad game, it is bust Sky is falling.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's terrible. They made a mistake, dude.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
There's a lot going on around him that just feels
like chaos, like absolute chaos. Coordinators fired, coaches fired, like
everything that's happened this year is the wrong way to
try and develop a quarterback, it feels like. And Jade
Daniels hasn't had to deal with any of that, Like.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Well, we have the Bears ever developed a quarterback?
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No, I mean they listen, they trade it for you know,
there was that and you know, Mitch Trubisky got him
to the postseason twice, so you know there is some
optimism there. And there was that one time in nineteen
eighty five that they want a Super Bowl that they're
still hanging on to.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So there was there was that as well.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Okay, Well, and I guess it goes back to the
original point the Bears.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I guess more recent.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Runner lack of success is one in which I don't
know anyone's gonna call for. Well, I guess fans have
called for Minkael mccaskey's to sell the team, but that's
not realistic. The problem is is how do you go about,
you know, trying to build and create the culture that
they need in order to be ultimately successful and replicate
what we're saying from Washington and if ownership's not changing,
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then you're looking at, Okay, who are you bringing in
that's going to be able to overcome or or book
the trend of ownership's decisions and their impact. It's a
tough call because depending on who's involved in that decision
in the first place, they're gonna go to have power
over that person, whether it's Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, a
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combination of the two, the mccaskeys. I mean, no matter
how you cut it, that decision is going to be
a tough one for any potential candidate who's looking at
as a head potential head coach, because he's got to
answer to someone who doesn't have a.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Great track record.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
And and you know, a year or two from now,
he get once a big game, be on the hot seat.
I mean, that's essentially what you're looking at. Even as
good as Kaile Williams is, he can't overcome the dysfunction.
We've talked about that on our show week in week
out with some of the various organizations that seem to
struggle time and time again.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Speaking of the NFC North, it's all going down to
the final game. That'll be the Sunday Night Football feature
between the Vikings and the Packers next week and man, Minnesota,
like I don't know or excuse me, the Lions and
why I want to say the Packers, my apologies definitely
not the Packers. They're they're not involved in that conversation.
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They struggle against the NFC North, apparently the Bears, but
the Lions and the Vikings. It all comes down to
next week for the division for the number one seed.
Speaking of things that we didn't think were possible before
the year, the over underwin total for Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Was what six six and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It has been an incredible run and they feel like
they're getting better as well too, like they feel like
they are striding down the stretch. And I don't think
it's a crazy thought to think that Minnesota beats Detroit
next week and all of a sudden, the Vikings and
Sam darn are a host in a playoff game. It's
wild to think about that. That's where we're at when
it comes to the Vikings and the conversation around him.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
And you probably can't understate the job that Kevin O'Connell's
done as far as.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Coach of the year.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I mean, it should probably come down to that game.
I'm not sure who you want to throw into that conversation.
Maybe you want to Sandy Reid. I don't know that
he ever gets enough credit because I think we look
at him with Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Chris John's,
all these pieces they have, and we just say, oh, well,
they should win a.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Bunch of games. First off, that's not an easy division.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
And second, it's hard to continually have and maintain that
success that they've had. So maybe Andy reach should be
more talked about for But it feels like between Dan
Campbell Kevin.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
O'Connell that should be on the line at least for
this one.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, granted I still.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Game to go for the Detroit Lions, but you know,
before you get there. But am I Am I wrong
in that assessment?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No, it's over, Like I think it's Kevin O'Connell's Like
I think he's already I mean, he's a you know,
ten to one on DraftKings right now, you know, So
it feels like that's a wrap. Dan Campbell is next
up and then you get Andy Reid and Dan Quinn.
But yeah, Kevin O'Connell feels like like that's all that's
all she wrote on that. So and then the discussion
will get louder after the season about what Minnesota should
do with Sam Darnold, how they play their cards when
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it comes to that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Diana Rassini over the weekend reported that there's the potential
that they could do a short term deal but still
keep JJ McCarthy in the fold. Pete Prisco and I
kind of throughout some scenarios, you know, pets up for
throwing out some wild stuff that you know, maybe they
maybe they call Las Vegas and be like, hey, I
know there's a Michigan thing going on there. JJ McCarthy interested,
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you know, signed Sam Darnold, do a longer term deal
and then the Raiders get their quarterback of the future
decision solved for him. So I don't know, there's some
some stuff out there from Minnesota to think about, but
awesome job for Kevin O'Connell on them. And then Brian
Flores is probably gonna get some head coach in consideration
as well too with that defense, so.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
As you should.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
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Speaker 1 (18:02):
But should he be We'll explain next here on FSR.
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It's the Dan Patrick Show here Fox Sports Radio. Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox in for DP and the guys coming up
here in a little over twenty minutes from now. Apparently
one of the big fights, one of the big battles
that a lot of people didn't think we were going
to get to see.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
We might might be on the verge of it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
We will get into that for you again a little
over twenty minutes from now. So it is bowl season
in college football and when you talk about great discussions,
it all centers around the.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Pop tarts bowl.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
That's right, you know, frost way it delivered.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Say what you want, man, Just like those brown sugar cinnamon,
like those ones.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Those always hit. That was my favorite I was little.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, frost unfrosted doesn't matter to pop tart.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Unfrosted.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, some people are into the unfrosted stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
That's like a toaster shrudle. That's not that's not a poptart.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Look the frosting on a pop tart. I'm not sure
when that was made and how it was made. No
offense to pop.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Tart, buddy.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
If you eat a pop tart, you're not overly concerned
with the health or nutrition facts.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
You're eating a pop tart.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
By the way, toaster or microwave for a pop tart
toaster it it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's a bet.
I feel like it's a better cook in a microwave.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
To be honest with you, every time I want to
I want to like you, you say something like that
and it's just I can't.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Lee, what's your problem?
Speaker 9 (19:39):
I don't even know where to start When did you
ever put one in a microwave?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't mean it's a kid, you just throw it
in the microwave. It's a better cook o. My god, Mark,
why are you shaking your head?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Toaster? Toaster? Toast it all right? What are you putting?
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Say it again?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I say it once a week. You deserve all the
backlash you get on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
You really do.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It's fortakes like this that you deserve the backlash that
that you received.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
There are different options out there. It's almost changed everything
for me.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Screw you, Mark, And I'm just saying there's options out there,
right if the.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Good for you? Mark?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
By the way, I do like made for the toasted.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And I also like how pop tarts don't even give
you the option of having one. You open a bag,
you're getting two and if you don't eat the other one,
it's going stale. So like, no, not only you're eating bad,
you're eating bad twice.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
I just can't believe you said unfrosted, Like that's who
who the right mind would get a pop start unfrosted.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I don't know, man, Some people are into it, you know,
some people listen. Some people are into weird stuff I
don't have to tell.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Okay, it's it's like getting a giant sized Snickers barn
onying half of it.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
You're like, oh, I'm worried about the sugar and the
calories in it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, Well it's the the old Rob Parker trick. You
you eat healthy but still get dessert. It's like he's like, oh,
I got a I got a burger with no bun,
but I ordered a chocolate Sunday after words, Dude, just
get the bun. What's the point? Like, you just did
more damage to yourself.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
So aren't you making our argument right now?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Uh? Well no, I'm just telling you that there's an
option out there for people if they don't like the frosting.
The frosting's not that great.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I mean I have not seen an unfrosted pop tart
in forever, mostly because anyone who eats an unfrosted pop
tart probably got shoved at a locker. We've never seen
them since. I'm just saying, what's with.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
The violence, It's just a it's a it's a strudle, Like,
what what's the violence here? Over a breakfast snack that's
not good for you?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
And pop tarts are way better than Toaster Struddle. I mean,
there's a reason why Toaster Struddle hasn't sponsored a bowl game?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
All right, yeah, I would agree. Yeah, were they even
in the in the contention for the bowl game? But
apparently you know, if they do partake in sponsoring a
bowl game, they'll be there for the entire game.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Not like that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Damn cam Ward? How dare he not return for the
second half? He had to be ashamed of himself. All right,
do it for your team?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Are we believing in the fake outrage that there was
around cam Ward?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Who?
Speaker 6 (22:02):
And this is the explanation that I guess was given
because Mario Cristobal, the head coach at the University of Miami,
didn't really elaborate on what that conversation was with cam
Wood behind the scenes, simply said that we had an
individual conversation with a lot of players who were deciding
whether they wanted to play or sit out the game.
And he's going to leave it at that, which was
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which is a smart way of handling it, because every
player's situation circumstance is different. Could cam Ward have set
out of that game altogether? Of course, in all seriousness.
Three weeks ago, the Miami Hurricanes were potentially playing for
an ACC championship and a spot in the College Football
Playoff and then come to find out a few weeks later,
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now they're losing in the Pop Tarts Bowl. Like that
is a dramatic fall from grace from where Miami fans
thought their.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Team was three four weeks ago. So here we are.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
You've got a player who's choosing to at least participate
in a portion of the game now, even if it's
about well his own selfish reasons, which Camboard was able
to break the NCAA career record for touchdown passes, beating
out Case Keenum during his time there at Houston. And
so he did it in the first half through three
(23:14):
touchdown passes, got the record, and then sat out the
second half obviously watched his team lose in the final minutes.
Now that being said, I don't really understand the outrage
from this standpoint, Like do people really think NFL teams
are gonna care?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Like he actually put himself out there to play in.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
An era where a lot of players have not only
opted out of games jamore Chase opted out of an
entire season. Do we tend to forget that back when
he was at LSU. And I'm not saying that Jeremiah
Smith would ever do this at Ohio State, but based
on his freshman season, they're obviously still playing for national championship.
Based on what I think he'll do next year as
a sophomore, he would probably have every right to do
(23:54):
so if he wanted to. I mean, that young man
is NFL ready now, and so to have to put
himself out there and harms away for another year, Yeah,
he'll get an insurance policy, he'll get paid a lot
of nil, but it won't be anywhere close to what
he's going to receive when he's taken somewhere, probably in
the top three picks once he's draft eligible.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
What in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Is that it in twenty twenty seven If my math
is off, but I think you're getting My point is
like we're gonna all of a sudden question the motivation
for a young man who's trying to protect his ability
to move on to the next level make money, which
at that level, there's a lot of players right now
who are playing not to go to the playoffs, but
for incentives for themselves for their contract to make sure
(24:35):
they prolong their career in the NFL because they can't
necessarily opt out at least now without making it look
kind of shady.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I just I don't get the outrage with any of this.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I think there's do you have a place that you
go to eat with the family where it's like, if
you go to that place, you have to eat that
one specific item because they just like that's what you're
used to whenever you go there. It's like, hey, I'm
going here, I gotta get this, you know, I gotta
get a Like whatever it is with college football, I
think people are just so accustomed to bitching that they
(25:06):
can't help themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's a Pop Tarts bowl, like.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You've got a weirdo dressed as a breakfast strudle jumping
out of a fake toaster. At the end of the game,
cam Ward goes out there, he plays the first half,
he breaks the record.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
It's overdone. There doesn't need to be a conversation afterwards.
He did what he did. Good for him. He assumed
the risk. He went out there, He put it on
the line for the first half. You could get hurt
at in any half of a game.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Like you remember Jalen Smith who got hurt playing like
people criticized him afterwards, saying, yeah, it's nice that he
went out and played, but you got to think about
your draft stock. That guy was a top five pick,
but in the bag top five pickback and I think.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What twenty sixteen yea.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And so when Christian McCaffrey sat out a bowl game,
he got criticized for it. When Leonard Fournett sat out
of a bowl game, he got criticized for it. All
they're being selfish, and so here cam Ward actually lays
the first half, goes out, breaks a record, and then
sits out the second half. No, no, no, you've got
to commit to the entire game.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
What God does his work like they you can't help,
But bitch, people just want to complain when they talk
about college football.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It doesn't matter what the discussion is. We've got other
conversations coming up. People just want to complain about college
football because they're just so accustomed to doing it.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm convinced.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Maybe they just want to see Cam wod get a
piece of that gigantic pop tart there at the end. Yeah,
Matt Campbell and rock O Beck or dive it into
all that icy you hate so much. I mean, if
he really want to be upset about something, we should
be upset about the fact that the NCAA is allowing
a career record for touchdown passes to count for cam Woard.
(26:45):
Like if you really want me to get on my
soapbox and take like one of those hot takes.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Okay, here it is all right. Cam Woard played five years.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Okay, he did so, two of which where the some
of these stats were amounted and Incarnate Word, which is
an FCS school. So is it really comparable to compare
case Keenum, who at least played at the FBS level
for four years and in three games in a year
he got a medical red shirt when he tore his ACL.
To accumulate those career stats or five years of playing,
(27:14):
because that first year in Carnal Word was a COVID year,
they get the additional year of eligibility. So all those
stats count, all those touchdown passes count towards this record.
And so not only should there be I don't know,
I want want to say an asterisk, but we're counting
a five year career versus a four and three games
for a medical red shirt and we're counting it two
(27:35):
of those years at a lower level where he absolutely dominated,
then went to Washington State, then went to Miami. So
kudos to cam Ward for the success that he's had.
But I would go a step further and say this, like,
what's starting to bother me a lot about everything that's
happening in the college football space is we talk about
the history, we talk about the tradition. You know what,
(27:57):
we do an awful job of protecting that history and
that tradition, the legacy of guys like Barry Sanders, for example,
who rushed for over two thousand yards what was the
You could look up the exact number during his time
at Oklahoma State, but he didn't been like eleven games
and an Ashton genty look great player at Boise State,
(28:18):
obviously a Heisman finalist, Doak Walker winner, He's incredible.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Let's not compare him though, to Barry Sanders.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Like, as much as we want to talk about how
well this is a part of Ashton Gent's legacy, or
this is a part of Camboard's legacy, that's true, but
what are we doing to protect the legacy of the
guys who came before them? Like it's it's not even
comparable what Barry Sanders did in eleven games rushing versus
what Ashton Genty has done. At this point, where are
you still counting the stats?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Isn't fair.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
It's not fair to the past players who only had
four years of eligibility to do it, and you now
have guys who have stats that are counting for five years,
six years because of COVID, because of red shirt years,
medical red shirts that they're counting. Like, if you really
want to dig into, like what the issue should be
with this conversation is the fact that he was playing
in the first half at all to go try to
(29:09):
break this career touchdown record. Is part of the issue
with the NCAA is we try to make up ways
that guys can break records when they're eligibility. Now that
we've got Diego Pava, who's eligible again next year, the
quarterback at Vanderbilt because his JUCO years didn't count, So
we keep changing and moving the goalposts with what these
(29:29):
records are. That's the most ridiculous part of all of
this that no one's talking about. And so, yeah, it's
awesome that cam Ward is able to throw for that
many touchdown passes, but in reality, like he didn't do
it on a per game basis the way case Keenum did.
He didn't do it consistently at that high level or
at a higher level like Houston during the time case
Keenum did.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
So you can give cam Ward the record. I think
there'd be an asterisk next next to it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Six twenty eight yards for Barry Sanders in nineteen eighty eight,
which and eleven games right mine. But yes, mind boggling.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
And yet we're still like comparing players now who are
playing into you know, Bowl games and conference championships and
into the playoff now, which has been extended, and yet we're.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Counting all of that. It's like, oh, he broke the record.
It's like, imagine, if.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Barry played fourteen games, do the math on that, he
would have won over three thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I mean, at this point, isn't cam McCormick like on
the verge of breaking the all time receiving record.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean he should be. He's been there thirty seven years.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Maybe not not that record. I don't know what he's
got calling the Miami, but there's some other records.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You know, if you're going to if you're to stick
around like, how many like Cam McCormick just turned fifty three,
by the way, so he's he's still like they got
another year of eligibility.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Cam Rising might come back for another year.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
There's all that you're seven year eight.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's something discount at this point.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
And here's I'm not going to bash the young men
for coming back and taking their opportunity to play, but
I think again we're moving the goalpost in regards to
how we want to talk about what our career records
and all these stats and all these ways that were
acknowledging accomplishments for players.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
It was like, well, yeah, of course we'd throw.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
For that many yards if you could play five six
years and all those years counted. So again, that's more
of my biggest gripe with all this, like, it's really
surprising that as many people, especially in this day and age,
and again as I've said before, where players have opted
out of an entire season, and we see players opted
out of Bowl games all the time, especially ones that
are insignificant. And yet yeah, that's where the outrage is
(31:32):
because you only played half the game. I mean he
did spot his team three points at half. I mean
they were up three points in Iowa State, So it
was better than if he didn't play at all and
they started zero zero.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
He did his job. Blame the bullpen, you know, it's
not his fault. They blew the game for him. By
the way, would you have done anything different in the
new landscape on your decision to come out because you
had another year of eligibility?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (31:54):
No, I came back, so again, back during those years
you have, you know, once that clock starts, unless I
would have had a medical red SRO, I guess I
could have sat out a year in between or something.
But you know, once it starts, you're playing. And the
decision would have been to come out after my junior year.
And for me personally, it just it felt like between
(32:16):
the class of guys that I was with wanting to graduate.
Then I talked to some older guys who had given
me the advice that's just said, it's really really.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Hard to come back and finish your degree.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
They're like life just kind of hits you at a
time where you know, Drove Bettis I think in a
couple of years ago. Yeah, finally came back and got
his degree, which is awesome and it was incredible. It's
fun to watch. He's one of the most charismatic people
you ever meet. But imagine that like having kids and
his son's now committed to come to Notre Dame soon.
I mean, imagine stating in class with your son. You know,
(32:47):
you're trying to finish up your underground. He's starting right
like granted he being different classes, different levels, but it
would be to a degree by then you're like, all,
who's doing the homework? Dad, so doing the homework. But
the general point is I wanted to come back. I
wanted to get my degree. I wanted another shot at
trying to win a national championship. I wanted to be
there with the guys I came in with. We had
(33:08):
a really close class of guys. I wanted to be
there for another year with them and try to obtain
all those things. So it ended up not working out,
But I wouldn't change, you know, that final year for anything,
Like it was a great ride.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I love Notre Dame. I love my alma mater, and.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Like I said, I just I wish, if anything, there's
times where I wonder back if I could have expressed
more of an interest of wanting to red shirt and
that way my true freshman year, I would have maybe
gone through a lot of the lumps that I went
through and trying to learn and trying to improve as
a player, and would have been more mature, more prepared,
especially within that offense, because it's not like we could.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Enroll early like back then.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
I came up early in the summer for workouts and things,
but that was the extent. You know they we weren't
allowed to enroll like and genuinely like to do now
and then and practice through spring practice.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Hell, some of these guys are actually to prepare for
the bowl games. You know.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Juju Lewis I believe his last name, the quarterback who's
committed to Colorado to come in behind Sadu or Sanders
as their starter. He's been practicing throughout you know, the
bull practice before the alimable, So that experience would be incredible.
I think LeVar said, man man, his son is already
in state college and if they were to win a
(34:24):
national title that he would he would be eligible for
a ring, right, which is crazy. I mean again, different
strokes for different folks. I'm not sure I would accept
something if it wasn't there the entire year, But the
general point is it's it's very different now and and
it wasn't that way Notre Dame back then. It is
now you have the capability of doing that, so that
(34:45):
that's one of the things that I wish I could
have done, either enrolled earlier at the halfway point of
my senior in high school and got up to school
earlier to then prepare more for that spring, or if
red shirted.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I mean, those are the things I more think about.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
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Speaker 1 (36:39):
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Speaker 9 (36:40):
Good morning, everybody, Good morning Jonas, Good morning Brady.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (36:44):
In case you missed this, Hey Brady, good morning to you. Hey,
we have had rumors out there that har of our guys.
In case you miss this's d.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I'm no, it's okay, guys.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
In case you missed this, we have heard rumors that
we might be getting a return of Connor McGregor to
the octagon. Well, it might not be the octagon, but
it might be combat sports. He seems to have confirmed
that a fight has been agreed upon between him and
Logan Paul. It would be taking place in India and
would be a five hundred million dollar fight where they
would split two hundred and fifty Well, they would each
get two hundred fifty.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Million in India.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Let's go Logan Paul fight.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
In the past, he did an exhibition with Floyd Mayweather.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
He bought, he fought, uh.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
God, who's the the other guy who's like, uh, I
can't think of him.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
But he had Roman Reigns.
Speaker 9 (37:42):
No, No, he challenging. No, he challenged it my fault.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
By the way, Roman Reigns played Brady Quinn when he
was playing college.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Football back in the day. That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Joe and Noah was.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
He was a defensive lineman, a captain for George Attack.
It's not very nice to you.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
We won the game. I wouldn't expect him to be.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean he's he hasn't He's wrestling career has
taken off, and he's great at wrestling. I think he
just had a kid. It's here's the problem, real quick.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
He's great at what WWE Yeah, okay, well it is
all right.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
He's been great.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
But Connor McGregor said, it's a long departure talking about
w IS wrestling versus mixed martial arts. I agree, But
Connor McGregor says a lot of stuff on social media
and then some of it gets deleted, and then other
stuff stays up there and then eventually gets deleted.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I'll just I'll believe it when I see it. He
was supposed to be backfighting in the UFC over a
year ago. Two years ago, they had to fight with
Michael Chandler that kept getting pushed off. It's just at
this point, I don't know if he ever fights in
the UFC again, And I don't know if he ever
comes back and fights period. He just feels like he's
he's got the money, he's got other things going on.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Probably Logan, Paul Globally. I would say Logan Paul.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Yeah, I mean the only reason I'll push back on
that is Jake Paul's had other fights. As soon as
you attached to Mike Tyson's name to it, that's what
made it a big deal. And I think Connor McGregor
attached to this fight is what makes it a big deal.
Otherwise it's just someone else that one of the Paul
brothers has set up to try to make a bunch
of money off of fighting where they're probably gonna win
(39:28):
in the end based on the terms of the agreement
on the fight and all that. So that's that's only
pushed back got half. The other thing I was gonna
ask is who is the better fighter, Jake or Logan.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh, Jake Paul better boxer, Yeah, by far.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Because I mean he's actually fought you know, legitimate fights,
to where Logan Paul I think, has just done some exhibitions.
Both of them are skilled and by the way, athletic wise,
like both of them legitimate athletes and have done you know,
great things with what the opportunities have been given. The
fact also that this fight is in India. If it
were to take place, I think we should go. I
(40:03):
had Indian food on Friday night.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
By the way, did you, yeah, hey, Lee, what happened
the last time you had Indian food? Uh?
Speaker 9 (40:10):
Well, Mark would probably be best to tell you what's.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Yeah, Mark, the last time we had Indian food?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I have to get a new note.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Audience, For those aren't listening, Lee de Lapp has quite
possibly some of the worst flatulens that anyone that's worked
with them has ever encountered.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Mark had to get a new nose. What are you,
Michael Jackson going on here? It's still growing back right now? Geez?
What else we got?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Lee?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well?
Speaker 9 (40:38):
Speaking of keeping in the fighting world, one of Jake
Paul's former opponents, Ryan Borland, Him and Le'Veon Bell are
going to be fighting next this year, right in twenty
twenty five. I think they're scheduled for April. They're gonna
be fighting in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
By the way, Le'Veon Bell knocking out in Adrian Peterson
was disturbing to watch. I kind of hated watching it,
I too, Like, I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I didn't want to remember Adrian Peterson like that. It
kind of bothered me.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
But Leveon Bell he can he can throw a little bit,
so good for him. You could probably have, you know,
extra fifteen million dollars lying around if you had except
for the franchise tag from the Steelers years ago.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
So don't say that, man, just I mean, it doesn't
Does he have any regrets? Has he talked about that since?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I think he has said that he regrets it.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I just remember that when he made the decision not
to come back, that all his teammates raided his locker
while he was gone.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Just like all right, well we're taking this then just went.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Through it to cut through a world?
Speaker 6 (41:33):
Man, Do you imagine it if like you or Lee
left us, lavarn now would be in that thing to everything.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
What do you think you would find in Lee's lockers?
Since we're on the top.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
And Lee's I don't know, probably some food that has
been eating for like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
What else do you think you would find it?
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Evan Williams.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Apparently a dead bat now by the way, Lee, why
didn't amongst other things?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Lee, why did you get it? Evan Williams Packers Jersey?
I thought about it? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Get it?
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Like?
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Get it?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Getting accustom made? Where it's got his first and last
name on the back.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Come one, by the way, For those of you wondering,
Brian Borland has fought nineteen professional fights, have won on
seventeen of them.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
So, but this is old. This is from January of
twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, well, what else we got?
Speaker 7 (42:22):
Lee?
Speaker 9 (42:22):
Well, in case you did miss that Packers game versus
the Vikings yesterday, you might have missed. Justin Jefferson's chain
fell off his Apparently his million dollar chain is what
it's reported to be worth. He stuffed it, quickly, stuffed
it into his crotch and kept on playing.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Uh what, yeah, he.
Speaker 9 (42:38):
Took He picked up the chain and threw it into
his pants and continued the drive.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I've never heard of a million dollar jockstrap until now.
So why the chains and the jewelry while you're playing
a game? I don't get it, I really don't. Baseball
does it worse than anybody Like some of the chains
those guys are wearing are wild. The difference is you're
never going to come in contact with someone who may
rip it off or have an issue where it's going
(43:03):
to fall off as often.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
In baseball as you would in football. So I can.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
Understand it in baseball to a degree. The football thing,
I've never understood now. I'm sure he's got an insurance
policy on it, which if it is a million dollars,
that's probably not cheap.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
But still, it's just it's never been worth it. But
it's a flex, man, it's a flex for a lofe.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
What was it a keep to leave in Michael Crabtree?
Were they the ones that were snatching chains? Snatch a
chain off someone's neck in the middle of a game,
talk about priorities, like, I'm getting that thing no matter what.
What's the most expensive thing at jewelry? You got, Brady, Like,
you're an expensive guy.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
What's the most don't I don't wear jewel I don't
really watches. I like one of those watches you like
work out with. That's the extent of it.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I'll spend in the old the old Time X good
for you. Old actually
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