May 28, 2026 • 44 mins
Dan discusses the nature of dynasties and how we’re too quick to crown them, as the Thunder try to make the case that they could be on the way to becoming one – but they lack one important thing. NBC broadcaster Mike Tirico joins Dan to talk about the NBA playoffs so far as Knicks fans in the media are celebrating too much, and he talks about how fun it is to call basketball with the NBC crew. Dan and the Danettes talk about which athletes from this generation will have staying power as a name like Babe Ruth or Wilt Chamberlain.
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later on as well. Game six tonight, the Thunder a
slight underdog against the Spurs. I have a weird feeling
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about this game. I would like to see the Spurs
win to force a Game seven, but I don't know.
It just feels even though the Thunder are banged up
and I expect Wemby to have a Wemby game, be aggressive,
but even though the Spurs are favored, slight favorite, it's
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just one of those weird feelings that I have. Not
that I'm willing to tell. Guys on the Gambling Podcast
later today, Dylan and Shay and Irving and even Big
Day Ray. But man, I might take the three and
a half and the Okac Thunder. I know we want
to put teams into dynasty categories, and you know the
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definition of a dynasty has changed, and it changes in sports.
Just going back to back in the NFL makes you
a dynasty. It feels like or if you win three
in the span of five years or six years or
two in the span of five years, it's you know,
you kind of border on a dynasty. The Patriots had
a couple of dynasties at the beginning and the end
(03:50):
of Tom Brady's career. Basketball, are the OKAC thunder bordering
on being a dynasty. I think they have to have
three to be a dynasty. Man, it can be three
and five years, maybe two and four, depending on what
you do on those other years.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm kind of a hardliner when it comes to what
is a dynasty. And if it's in the sixties, you know,
the Celtics were a dynasty. UCLA Basketball, Like, we're not
going to have that ever again. Therefore we have to
change the definition. And when you think about OKC, we
look at them and we go, man, they're invincible. Well,
Denver pushed them to seven games last year, Indiana dragged
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them to another seven game battle in the finals. San
Antonio is trying to take them to seven games. So
it's not like they're unbelievable, Like, oh, my goodness. I
know Michael Jordan and the Bulls never got to a
game seven, and they were a dynasty. They had two dynasties,
three in a row, pause, three in a row dynasty.
(04:57):
You can look at the Lakers with what they did
with Shaq Kobe, maybe you know dynasty dynastic baseball, we
might look at it differently. I feel like the Dodgers
kind of have that dynasty feel to them. What's the
official definition of a dynasty, Polly.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Well, it's not exactly the dictionary, but there's a couple
of sports ish websites that have broke this down. An
individual or a team that completely dominates a sport or
a league for an extended period of time. A couple
other notes you need at least two titles, at least
in a five year period. Otherwise they would say that's
a run.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
But is OKC dominated, Like this isn't fifteen to one Lakers, but.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Their regular season win differential has been the best in
the league for three straight years. They beat people during
the regular season.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, but there are teams that are built for the
regular season, and there are a lot of teams and
coaches who don't really care about the regular season. I
go back to Greg Popovich, they had a dynasty. He
did not care about the regular season. He cared about
what happened in the playoffs. The nineties Yankees dynasty. I
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would say, you know, different decades with the Yankees dynasty,
Montreal Canadians, different years, dynasties. So it does happen.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
But I think.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It feels like we want to put Oka See in
the fast lane to be a dynasty. Even if you
go back to back and you have the MVP back
to back. I don't view them as a dynasty. I
view them as an unbelievable organization. But the following season
would probably help me define Okayc's place in history. And
(06:41):
I know Oka See fans get upset whenever I say
something about Shay or what like.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
You got to stop with the oh woe is me?
Small market?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, all the NBA they only cater to If we
play the Knicks, the Knicks are going to get all
the cult like.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Stop, don't do the O Woe is Me?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Just go out there and root, but don't give me
the big market. Small market is oka See good for
the NBA? No big markets are, but they're still a
great team. So you can say, hey, I don't care
what the NBA wants. They want san Antonio against the Knicks. Okay,
(07:20):
so what go win the game tonight, drive the NBA
crazy or the fans crazy.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna have to disagree because I think
that's the old way of thinking where were thinking about
small small market teams.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I think it's more about the star.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
If they had a star, if it was like Steph Curry,
it doesn't matter where he's playing if he's on a
really good team, and it doesn't matter about the market,
especially in this day and time where the Internet runs everything,
so you really don't need a big market. But I
think it's the combination of small market plus how they play.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But if you're in a small market, you have that
inferiority complex, whether it's true or not. It's like, oh,
we're not going to get the calls tonight, Oh they
want Wenby to go to the front. I know how
this works, Okay. I've been doing this for a long time,
and I know the small market, certainly in baseball and basketball,
not football, because that doesn't matter, but these smaller markets
(08:15):
where it's they don't want us to win, okc is
a great team and SGA is a star ish kind
of player. He's not a video clips where you've checked
your phone in the morning. He's just not You might
get more video clips out of SGA or out of
a chet Holgern than SGA. Chances are maybe he does
(08:35):
something interesting. SGA is just methodical. It's I know exactly what.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I'm going to get.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's like having the same meal every single day and
somebody says, how was it good?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Same meal? That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's like there's one restaurant in OKC and it's SGA.
He's serving up what he does every single night against
every single team. That is not something that is must
see TV. That's what the NBA wants when you get
to the finals.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
They want a big audience.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Wemby is, you know, a different creature and the Knicks
are going to be the Knicks, and you get celebrities there,
you get the atmosphere there, you get you know, it's
all involved there. That's what you want. Now, that's not
what you always get. You can't get the you know,
the Yankees against the Dodgers in the World Series every year.
If you could, Baseball would be like, yes, we'll sign
(09:29):
up for that. But it's tricky when it comes to dynasties.
What is a dynasty depending on the sport.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Yes, Marvin, the Pistons and the Rockets, they both went
back to back, but we don't consider them dynasties. We
remember them, but they're not considered dynasties like the Lakers
and the Bulls.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yes, I think you got to win at least three
in five years. If you go, you know, a three peete,
then you're a dynasty. But it depends on the sport.
If you go back to back, like and talking about
the Patriots back at the beginning of you know, this
decade or a century where you go, oh, back to back,
(10:09):
that's why it doesn't happen. It's harder to do that
in the NFL than it is these other sports. Yes, Dylan,
are you considering the Patriots. Two dynasties are one continuous
one obviously with a lull in between, because I imagine, wow,
as long as Brady was there, that's kind of one.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I would say two with a pause.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Because they went what ten years without winning anything, but
they won like you don't have that dip. Sometimes you'll
have a team that wins and then there's this dip
and then they come back win again. I would say
Patriots definitely a dynasty.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Do you want to know what the longest continuous dynasty
in history is?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Ming? The Ming dynasty. They were a run man Yao
Ming dynasty.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They're up there, but it's actually the Imperial of Japan,
the Yamato dynasty, longest continuous by blood dynasty over fifteen
hundred years.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
See the Patriots. Touch of that one? And how many
years were they favored? Though? I think most of those years. Yeah,
it sounds like that. I saw Withe the Arizona Cardinals
aren't favored in any game this year?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
A left turn saynasty. Yeah, yes, that the Cardinals are
not favored in any game this year.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Assault. I'm like, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You got your quarterback holding out, Jacoby Brussett. They are
the opposite of a dynasty. Or maybe can you be
a dynasty playing poorly?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yes, Paul, A couple more rules of a dynasty. Your
core has to continue during your run. Like you said
about the late nineties Yankees, you had Pasada, Bernie Williams, Jeter,
the big four or five guys stuck around and the
other one is lasting impact Are they remembered like the
mid seventies Steelers, You know all the names and they
last forever.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah. I think like the Pistons, we remember them. They're
the bad boy Pistons. They won two titles. The Celtics
with Bird obviously you remember them, Lakers with Magic Showtime,
you remember them. And you might not even remember how
many titles they want or how many titles they won
in a row, but you do remember those teams. Sometimes
(12:24):
it was about what they showed you right in front
of you on your TV, not necessarily what the end
result for each season. But yeah, it's an interesting topic
of is OKC bordering on Are they on the brink
of being a dynasty if they win a second title?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yes, Dylan?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Is it the repeat nature of titles that's a bigger factor,
Like if you win like every other year for six years,
well not there's no repeats or three pizza or anything.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Does that still feel like a dynasty? I mean it
should be, but well depends on the sport. Like Seattle's
not favored to win the Super Bowl this year. They
got maybe the third or fourth best odds, But if
they did, I mean that's really really, really rare.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, Pauling the seventies.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Steelers won the Super Bowl in seventy four and seventy five,
they made the playoffs and did not make it to
the super Bowl the next two years, then they won
two more Super Bowls. That's four titles in six years.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Pure dynasty. Yeah, and we remember those players.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
When you can recite the lineup, then that usually helps
you kind of lean towards that impression, that imprint they
left on your life on the sports world.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
Yes, Marvin, and there's sometimes when people say dynasties, you
have to repeat. I don't subscribe to that because look
at the bird Celtics. They won an eighty one, eighty four,
and eighty six. But we consider them a dynasty because
they were always there. They were always in the hunt,
and the teams they lost to they lost the Lakers,
so there's no shame in that. And they were always competitive.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I think that's what I want to see is
you don't want to have that, oh what happened, Oh
they didn't make the playoffs that you know, one season
then they came back. But to keep it, it's harder
to keep a team together. I mean, the Celtics weren't
leaving with Bill Russell and Red Arbac, those guys stayed.
There was no free agency. The Steelers, they stayed together.
(14:18):
Like you have to look at before free agency and
after free agency and trying to keep your players together.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yes, Marv, if the thunder win, they're second straight, Well
we look at them the way we look at the Pistons.
We don't think of the Pistons as being a really deep,
really good, really competitive team. We look at them Mahorn
and Lambier getting in the fights, roughing up Michael Jordan.
Are we going to look at them the same way
we look at the Pistons.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, the Pistons had personality. OKC doesn't have a real personality,
a big personality. I mean they tried to do a
SGA chat Holmergan commercial and you're like, okay, Like the
Pistons were the bad boys, they were the villains. There
was a documentary about them. They did a thirty for
(15:05):
thirty on them. See I will there be a thirty
for thirty on OKC. You got a better chance of
a thirty for thirty on Wemby in the Spurs. But
I know it takes away from OKAC and their success.
It's just they're not exciting. Seattle Seahawks weren't exciting. They're
(15:27):
not they were great. The Rams have more personality. There's
other teams, but Seattle played. They were the best team
in football last year. That doesn't mean like the Patriots,
they weren't exciting. I mean, Drake May okay, you know,
(15:48):
found out your coach might have been a little more interesting.
But other than that, it's not like you go, man,
Patriots must see TV.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
But when Brady was there dating Superma, Bill Belichick, being
Bill Belichick, interchangeable parts there, winning offensively, defensively, Gronk is
in there. I mean, you know, that's what you want.
That's if you're going to remember a team. There's other
things that factor in other than you're just winning. It's
how you're winning, and I think that sometimes differentiates between
(16:21):
and there are teams that are probably better than the
teams that win back to back or two and three years,
but they may not have that impact.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, Paul, you know, a tough team to quantify is
a late nineties early two thousand Spurs. Did they win
five titles in fifteen years? It was spread out they
won one lost, a few lost, a few one to
one one. But they didn't have star power, but they
are so relevant.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Their dynasty to me, yeah, that organization has been dynastic,
so I would put them in. I mean, I love
watching Genobli. Timmy was just when your nickname is the
big fundamental. I mean it's really hard to go. Man,
must see TV. Hey, let's tune in and watch nice
(17:10):
bounce pass or maybe a bank shot here. But they
forced you to watch, which is what Okay is doing.
You got to watch because they're playing in big games.
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I did see that. You did see that. Yeah, that's
no where we'll never get there, nor will we have
just just kind of yeah, dust them off. How close
are the Thunder to being considered a dynasty? Oh? No,
(21:44):
not yet. No no, no, no, no two titles, no no, no, no.
We fast forward this stuff so much.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Let's go back, Like the whole dynasty conversation is almost
impossible to hold up to the dynasties that we grew
up with Lakers, Celtics, Steelers, etc. The Yankees because players
move like the thunder will come back with a different
piece and a different piece, and same for the next
team and the next team. Like, we got to slow
(22:13):
down on this stuff. Look, they've won one title. They're
trying to get to the finals for a second time.
If they win that, that's an all time good run.
It's not the Celtics. Like the Celtics and the Lakers,
they were just in the finals every year, right, and
somebody had to do everything they could to knock them
out for a year like the Sixers did, right or So?
(22:34):
I just think we fast forward this conversation way too much.
They're a really, really good team. They have the potential
because of what Sam Presty has done to build this
organization and the capital they have coming up in the draft,
and the moves they can make which are different than
everyone else.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, I think having those players locked in under contract
moving forward is key.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Well, those big three in j Dubb, Jaylen Williams and
home Grin and Shay. But now with those first round
picks that he has, you can do things like trade
a one and three two's for Jared McCain. Nobody had
that capital to go get a second year player who
Philadelphia said, you know what, we can't play three guards
(23:15):
with Tyre's Maxie and vj Edgecombe and McCain. So let's
move him while his value is high. And if Sam
doesn't make that move with these injuries they have, maybe
they're not three to two in this series.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So those are the ways you can build something that
lasts for a long time in an era where that's
really hard financially to do because of paying Look, he drafted, well,
you have to pay these guys, and then that's a problem.
I think of the Lions in the NFL. They've really
drafted well the last few years with a bunch of
young core players. Now you got to pay them all
and so every time there's another edge rusher out there,
(23:51):
Lions fans are like, well, why.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Don't you go get him?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You just don't have enough financial rooms.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
How big of a story is Wemby's skipping out on
the media. I don't know what happened at the end
of the game, Mike, but I don't know if that's
a big deal tonight for you guys in leading into
game six.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
It's a watch early in the game, right, You'll watch
early in the game. Are there more hard fouls? Is
there some message sent? I think Dan and you lift
so many of these series. Gosh, we sat next to
each other during some of the finals runs and we
were both working radio and doing Sports Center.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Over the years.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Like you carry a tone to the next game, but
it changes just like this, and I think it's different
when veterans are the guys who are out there setting
that tone. If young guys have a lot going on.
They have never half the San Antonio team, probably two
thirds of their rotation, have never faced an elimination game
in the NBA playoffs, right, think about it's the first
(24:48):
playoffs here is for Wemby and Castle and all those
guys that we've talked about, Dylan Harper and even Vasell.
They did not face elimination in the first two rounds.
They are facing an elimination. They will walk into the
game today with a feeling of pressure of must win
that they never have before except in the NBA Cup
(25:08):
in December, or you knew there were tomorrows here, you don't.
So I think it's really hard to have that and
be of the mindset of let's set this hard foul
on this guy. So I don't know if it Harry's
over once to the next wenby not talking, not the
first time, not the last time, somebody's skipped out on
the media like first timers before he gets warned he'll
(25:29):
get fined if he does it again, lesson learned.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I would guess I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Talking to Mike Cherico and he'll be on the call
tonight Game six Western Conference Finals thunder Spurs with Reggie
Miller and Jamal Crawford, tip off eight thirty Eastern on NBC.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
In Peacock, I.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Watched a little bit of WNBA action with Caitlin Clark,
and I was trying to judgetapose that with the NBA,
and it feels like there's more play on moments in
the WNBA than there is the NBA. It feels there's
a lot of cot and it's a lot rougher than
what people realize it. But it feels like maybe the
(26:07):
NBA needs to have a few more play on moments.
And Reggie Miller talked about this the previous game where
he goes, that's a play on, that's not a found.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, So let's separate these for a second. The WNBA
has had a massive officiat officiating problem over the last
couple of years, so much so that and I'm thin
on the details here, but I just heard it discussed
in our studio show with Sue Burn and Cheryl Miller
the opening night. They they had a committee come together
(26:37):
to try to figure out what they're going to do
and how they're going to do it to be better
about their officiating. So I don't want to hold up
something that has put their head up and said we
have a problem. As the example, I do think the
physicality of the playoffs is significantly different than the regular
season product.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And why familiarity.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
We're not walking in in January in Salt Lake City
and putting a Patrick on the board likes to go
left right.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
He's like, okay, great, I'll get there.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
No, now, it's you know what angle Dan is at
when he wants to try to start going left and
you're playing defense, and now you've learned that opponent. Think
of the guy at the gym with a gall at
the gym you play against by game five or six,
you know their moves, or even pickleball or tennis. You
know what they do well and take it away. What
happens in playoffs here, So the physicality has to ramp up,
(27:23):
and I think there have been more play ons, but
I think now everybody takes every angle and puts it online.
Look at this, here's an example of a foul. Yeah,
if he's filled down an NFL game, every play looks
like a hold or pass interference. So there's a balance.
I think that's why the human element of officiating is there.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Is it perfect?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
No, It's also something that you can't look at and
you'd say it's a foul, and I'd say it's not
a foul. It's just because that contact has to be
allowed in my opinion at this point in the series.
But if you are I love the football term. If
it material materially restricts what you do. If my contact
keeps you from trying to score or get to the
(28:02):
place you want to get to, that should.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Be a foul. Period. Did you grow up a Knicks fan.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I did.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I did, Yeah, so there was you never got to
see them win.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I'm old enough, I don't remember all of it, but
so Marv Albert was the radio announcer for the Knicks,
and they put out a record.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
That's what one of those round things you put on
a record players.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
For those of you who think the retro train when
it came around a few years ago, they put at
a record of the Knicks championship season. And I must
have listened to that when I was seven, eight nine
years old, as I was falling in love with sports
and broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
So I remember it, but I don't.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I can't tell you I saw Willis come out of
the tunnel, but I remember what that feeling was like
as a Knick fan at that time.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
How do you sum up, describe, encapsulate what's happened with
the Knicks this year?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I haven't they been given the championship. I've been watching
it when I went.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I watched ESPN the morning after the Dicks one of
the Eastern Conference final, and like the stage managers wearing
waving Nick's flags, I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Like, what slow down? Slow down? They have been unbelievable
and we had them seven eight times this year.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Then we had them after their last playoff loss against Atlanta,
and Mike Brown did a terrific job. I thought of
tweaking the offense. Karl Anthony Towns is a point forward.
It's unlocked everybody. We rarely see all five guys going
at the same time, and right now they're all going.
I will say the defense that they're about to face
from either one of these teams is a massive step
(29:37):
up from the defense they saw, Like did you see
any Cleveland Cavalier turn of guard a different way coming
up to the floor, Like Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart,
they just had like free reign to come down the floor.
So I think it's going to be another step up.
But what they're doing is great, and it's really good
when a city loves basketball the way New York does.
To see that kind of basketball played, what it does
(30:00):
remind me of Dan Is watching and listening to the
stories about how the seventies Knicks played together, shared the ball,
guys at their role and embraced it, and that's why
they are forever team remembered in New York. And I
think this team does that and it embodies basketball at
it's the purest, rich best of enjoyment, movement and teamwork.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I was talking to Vincent Goodwill, Great n BEHA reporter
for The Mothership, and I said, you got to win
the title. Yeah, yeah, this is New York And he said, no,
this is the Knicks. They're not used to getting here.
So he was saying, you know, this is kind of
a if we get you know, we're going to get
to the finals. Even if we don't win, we've had
a successful year. I said, you've had a successful year. Yes,
(30:42):
but this is a city that is predicated on winning,
not getting there.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Correct, correct? I mean unless you get the parade in
the Hero of Canyons, you're not remembered as a forever team.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
If you do, then you've become a special team in
the biggest city that has millions and millions of sports
followers who revere those guys. Well, Clyde Fraser is revered
at eighty one years old. When you're in Masion Square, Guarden,
I love seeing Clyde. I see Clyde when we're doing
a game and it's a side by side or Clyde
happens to be in the building, Like I want to
(31:15):
go say Hi, because Clyde is still coolest dang guy
this side of Joe Namath, Right, those two guys. Growing
up in the seventies in New York, that was the
definition of the cool professional athlete. And Clyde still has
that in his eighties, and so does Joe anytime you
talk to him or you're around him.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We've changed. It's a different era, but it's been so long.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
And I think what's cool about New York for the
fans is that those fans when this team was unwatchable,
they went and enjoyed good basketball from the opponent's games
at the Garden always matter to players that walk up
that ramp to go into the building. And I think
to have the best basketball in the world, the NBA
(32:00):
Finals in that building, plus the New York part of
it makes it makes it really cool.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
It's gonna be a great files.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I cannot wait to be off and watch not Shave
and watch Breen and those guys work for a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I'm looking forward to the finals. Will you go to
a game?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
No, this is the whenever this ends, either tonight or
Game seven on Saturday, that's the end of the run
that started in September with Sunday Night football and the
Olympics in Super Bowl and started the NBA for US
at NBC. And so this is the last three hundred
and sixty five yards of the marathon. So I am
going to go home and chill until the US opened
(32:38):
a couple of weeks, and then.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Chill after that. But I will I will enjoy watching
for sure. Do you have broadcasting superstitions on game Day? No? No,
not really.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I have patterns and habits, but it's not like, oh
my gosh, if I don't need a Caesar salad with chicken,
this is going to be a bad broadcast.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Although although with Reggie Miller.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
And Stevens and we have ordered more Caesars with Chicken
and NBA arenas than than most people over the last
two But this has been I forgot how much fun
the NBA is.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
This has been so much fun.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
And Redge and Jamal and Zora and Ashley Shamani we
have had We've had the greatest time. If there's anything
I'm rooting for tonight, I'd love to get us to
a game seven because I'd love to do two more
days with this group. We've had a blast, and you
have Reggie out every week, so everybody knows how fun
reg can be. I mean two weeks on the road
of the Redge that really three and a half weeks
(33:32):
has been just all times fun and Jamal the same.
So it's been great.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think Jamal has been unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
He's great Dan his stories, his vision, what he sees
in the game is really good. And you know, three
man booths work wer don't work based on a ton
of things. These guys are so giving and they talk
to each other. You know, we go a couple of
possessions and they're going back and forth and back and forth.
I'm just sitting there listening to them, like there's no
reason to get in the way of this and that
(34:00):
can that starts in the car, it happens at lunch,
it continues on the air, and that that's when you
have something good. So I'm having the greatest time and
shout out to these two cities like there'll be the
small market against the big market. But man, like I
have a headache, my ears ring for thirty minutes coming
out of the building, and I because your headphones are
craked up because you can't hear each other and it's
(34:22):
so this has been so much fun.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
It's been great.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Before I let you go. The NFL growth here, I know.
Now it feels like we're kicking Sunday one o'clock games
to the curb. Yeah yeah, but I understand it because
I'll watch one game at one o'clock. I'll watch, you know,
a four to thirty game, you know, occasionally the red zone.
But then you watch a standalone game on Sunday, and
(34:45):
a standalone game on Monday, and a standalone game. This
is what all of these different partners want. But where
do you stand on sort of the I don't if
you say the fragmentation of what used to be the
NFL schedule and where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I used to get frustrated. I go back to forty
years ago.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I get really frustrated that I couldn't watch the Bengals
play at one o'clock when they weren't all that good,
or even when they were halfway decent. Pick a team
like because I liked football, So you know, having four
or five games in the one o'clock window still fine.
There are weeks it gets thin. There are weeks towards
the end it gets thin. I think to avoid it
(35:25):
getting thin. What I would suggest is that the league
does what the Premier League does. Here's who you're playing
December thirteenth. We're not going to assign starting times or
TV networks until like a month out, so we'll know
that in those individual windows there are good games. Because
(35:46):
bad games and individual windows hurt the product. Good games help,
so there would be the best game. But make sure
you've got a game of some meaning. And I think
the only way to do that from mid November on
is to Okay, Thursday nights. You almost have to a
side for travel logistics, so people will get backed up
with that. But I would put the week twelve fourteen
(36:07):
sixteen scheduled just like we do the last week of
the season. Let's wait and then we don't have to
do it a week before, three or four weeks before.
You're the Sunday night, you're the Monday night. You're you're
the Sunday afternoon, Saturday afternoon. That's the way I think
the individual windows can still maintain significance. Have a good
four packet, one three pack at four point thirty, and
(36:27):
go from there. Just one guy's opinion. You know, it's
like same thing. Nothing's easier to do than tell somebody
else how to do their job. So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Congrats again on the sports Emmy and uh have fun.
Good to talk, Thank you, Yeah, good talk with you. Mandstright,
Mike Jurko, he's the voice of well, he's just the
voice NBC Football Night in America and Basketball and the
super Bowl and the Olympics, Kentucky Derby US Open Open Championship.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
He'll be on the call tonight.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
That'll be Game six in Santa until Neil eight thirty
Eastern on NBC and Peacock will take a break. Our
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Speaker 4 (37:45):
Oh my god, this is the play of the day.
Check this out.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
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Speaker 4 (38:03):
Power play goal. Carolina yet a.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
One nothing lead, their first power play goal of this series,
and Sebastiano delivers it, It's won nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
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Speaker 4 (38:35):
Did we settle on a poll question? We have not yet, Dan.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
We got a couple options here for starters. Will there
be a Game seven between the Spurs and the Thunder?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I hope, But for some reason I don't think I hope.
What else do you have?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Paulie sent this one over. This is actually an interesting
topic in one hundred years. In one hundred years, which
athlete from this era will be the most remembered spoken about?
And we can kind of populate this one as a
squad like Tom Brady, Lebron, Lenel Messi, Otani Wemby any others.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yeah, pull, So my thought was we still bring up
Babe Ruth regularly on a sports radio show one hundred
years after he was relevant, And you know there's some
other players like Jim Brown or you know, there's not
that many. Wilt Chamberlain makes our show. I'm curious people
from today who, because of their accomplishments, are pending accomplishments. Well,
we talked about one hundred years from now on a
(39:35):
sports radio well show.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Hey, Otani will in my opinion, because he threw six
no hit innings. He also hit another home run. His
era is now zero point eight two. He's becoming I'll
be careful when I say this, a better pitcher than hitter.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
He's been on a recent terror the last couple of
weeks to raise his batting average. But I go back
to what Dave Roberts said to us in spring training
that Otani is really focused on winning the Cy Young.
If he were to win the Cy Young and with
all these MVP and he'll win the MVP again, like
we're seeing a historical run. We're seeing something that's never happened.
(40:20):
And I don't know if we get imitators that, you know,
you'll have teams that'll say, hey, why don't we try
to develop somebody like that? Because a lot of your
pitchers were great hitters. They usually pitched and if you
didn't pitch. You played shortstop and he batted third. But
I think what we're seeing with Otani is something we've
(40:41):
never seen before. Therefore he's going to stand out. I mean,
Messi is unbelievable, but is he Pele? Like we still
talk about Pele Tom Brady, who knows what the quarterbacking
position is going to be like in one hundred years
from now?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yes, Dyling, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's the facto soccer guy here.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I have to say, Messi and.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Ronaldo, do you have kind of that extra level of
reach globally?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, but they kind of cancel each other out. They're
both unbelievable, like Pele stood alone for a long time,
but I think Otani to have. He was angry last
night because his location wasn't great, but he had six
no hit innings and hit another home run.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
Yes, Paul, with Otani, does he get bonus points if
it's really close for the cy Young this year? Because
he also has six hundred at bats.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
And you brought up this point to me this morning,
and I didn't think about it. But if you're thinking about, hey,
all I'm going to do is pitch, but then it's
so much more than that. It's all I'm going to
do is pitch, and then the other day is I'm
going to hit, and you factor that in because pictures, Hey,
I got to have four days rest.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
I got to have five days rest. Shoey Otani doesn't
get that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Now you can say, well, okay, we're gonna be a
DH Okay, you still have to get ready for a game,
so maybe not physically, but mentally you're getting ready for
another game.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Mean the argument in the past is against pitchers winning
the MVP has always been while you play every five days,
you know, batters play every single day. But I do
think that he o'tio have a tough time winning unless
it is by like just undisputed that he's the cy
young I think we'll have a tough time if he's
basically just winning the MVP every season. I think they'll
(42:37):
be hesitant to give him both unless it is just
like you can't make an argument, all.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Right, He's pitched fifty five innings. His ERA is zero
point eight two. Go back to the start of the season,
like his schemes had a bad outing against the Mets,
his ERA was like sixty four plus. He's hit three
eighty three over the past thirteen games, and you're right,
the voters might say, well, you got the MVP, let
(43:03):
the pitch, let schemes, get the cy Young again.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
Most starting pitchers have eleven or twelve starts at this
juncture of the season.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Otani has eight, you know, so he's.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Behind the curve a little bit and that could be
used again.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But I'm gonna have to get the numbers here and
Big Dea Ray had these or we were talking about this,
the amount of innings he's going to have to pitch,
because if I look at Chris Sale and Jacob de Grom,
like some of these guys who have won the cy Young,
I think Otani might have to pitch one hundred and
seventy innings. Even Trek Skoob, well, I don't know what
(43:40):
his numbers were, probably under two hundred. I mean, it
is remarkable the amount of innings that pitchers don't pitch anymore.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Not apples to apples, But if you compare Otani winning
MVP and cy Young to like the NFL with MVP
and Offensive Player of the Year, where a lot of
years you could argue whoever wins the MVP would also
win the Offensive Player of the Year. I think they
kind of buy fer Kate the two where.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
The Mvpifer Kate easy whoa okay word? Okay, all right, Denver, Yeah, Paul, Okay.
Here's a thing for Otani. Back in twenty twenty one,
Corbyn Burns the starter for Milwaukee. He was eleven and five,
only twenty eight starts, only one hundred and sixty seven innings,
and he won the cy Young.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
You see, there's your opening.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I mean, who would have thought get to one hundred
and fifty innings, one hundred and sixty innings you can
win the cy Young. But that's that's where we are now.
I think Chris Sale had like one hundred and seventy
four one year, but Otani six no hit innings and
wasn't pleased with his control. Joey Vado will speak about
shoe Hey Otani coming up next hour Get to your
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later on as well. Game six tonight, the Thunder a
slight underdog against the Spurs. I have a weird feeling
(02:46):
about this game. I would like to see the Spurs
win to force a Game seven, but I don't know.
It just feels even though the Thunder are banged up
and I expect Wemby to have a Wemby game, be aggressive,
but even though the Spurs are favored, slight favorite, it's
(03:07):
just one of those weird feelings that I have. Not
that I'm willing to tell. Guys on the Gambling Podcast
later today, Dylan and Shay and Irving and even Big
Day Ray. But man, I might take the three and
a half and the Okac Thunder. I know we want
to put teams into dynasty categories, and you know the
(03:28):
definition of a dynasty has changed, and it changes in sports.
Just going back to back in the NFL makes you
a dynasty. It feels like or if you win three
in the span of five years or six years or
two in the span of five years, it's you know,
you kind of border on a dynasty. The Patriots had
a couple of dynasties at the beginning and the end
(03:50):
of Tom Brady's career. Basketball, are the OKAC thunder bordering
on being a dynasty. I think they have to have
three to be a dynasty. Man, it can be three
and five years, maybe two and four, depending on what
you do on those other years.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm kind of a hardliner when it comes to what
is a dynasty. And if it's in the sixties, you know,
the Celtics were a dynasty. UCLA Basketball, Like, we're not
going to have that ever again. Therefore we have to
change the definition. And when you think about OKC, we
look at them and we go, man, they're invincible. Well,
Denver pushed them to seven games last year, Indiana dragged
(04:35):
them to another seven game battle in the finals. San
Antonio is trying to take them to seven games. So
it's not like they're unbelievable, Like, oh, my goodness. I
know Michael Jordan and the Bulls never got to a
game seven, and they were a dynasty. They had two dynasties,
three in a row, pause, three in a row dynasty.
(04:57):
You can look at the Lakers with what they did
with Shaq Kobe, maybe you know dynasty dynastic baseball, we
might look at it differently. I feel like the Dodgers
kind of have that dynasty feel to them. What's the
official definition of a dynasty, Polly.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Well, it's not exactly the dictionary, but there's a couple
of sports ish websites that have broke this down. An
individual or a team that completely dominates a sport or
a league for an extended period of time. A couple
other notes you need at least two titles, at least
in a five year period. Otherwise they would say that's
a run.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
But is OKC dominated, Like this isn't fifteen to one Lakers, but.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Their regular season win differential has been the best in
the league for three straight years. They beat people during
the regular season.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, but there are teams that are built for the
regular season, and there are a lot of teams and
coaches who don't really care about the regular season. I
go back to Greg Popovich, they had a dynasty. He
did not care about the regular season. He cared about
what happened in the playoffs. The nineties Yankees dynasty. I
(06:07):
would say, you know, different decades with the Yankees dynasty,
Montreal Canadians, different years, dynasties. So it does happen.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
But I think.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It feels like we want to put Oka See in
the fast lane to be a dynasty. Even if you
go back to back and you have the MVP back
to back. I don't view them as a dynasty. I
view them as an unbelievable organization. But the following season
would probably help me define Okayc's place in history. And
(06:41):
I know Oka See fans get upset whenever I say
something about Shay or what like.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
You got to stop with the oh woe is me?
Small market?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, all the NBA they only cater to If we
play the Knicks, the Knicks are going to get all
the cult like.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Stop, don't do the O Woe is Me?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Just go out there and root, but don't give me
the big market. Small market is oka See good for
the NBA? No big markets are, but they're still a
great team. So you can say, hey, I don't care
what the NBA wants. They want san Antonio against the Knicks. Okay,
(07:20):
so what go win the game tonight, drive the NBA
crazy or the fans crazy.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna have to disagree because I think
that's the old way of thinking where were thinking about
small small market teams.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I think it's more about the star.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
If they had a star, if it was like Steph Curry,
it doesn't matter where he's playing if he's on a
really good team, and it doesn't matter about the market,
especially in this day and time where the Internet runs everything,
so you really don't need a big market. But I
think it's the combination of small market plus how they play.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But if you're in a small market, you have that
inferiority complex, whether it's true or not. It's like, oh,
we're not going to get the calls tonight, Oh they
want Wenby to go to the front. I know how
this works, Okay. I've been doing this for a long time,
and I know the small market, certainly in baseball and basketball,
not football, because that doesn't matter, but these smaller markets
(08:15):
where it's they don't want us to win, okc is
a great team and SGA is a star ish kind
of player. He's not a video clips where you've checked
your phone in the morning. He's just not You might
get more video clips out of SGA or out of
a chet Holgern than SGA. Chances are maybe he does
(08:35):
something interesting. SGA is just methodical. It's I know exactly what.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I'm going to get.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's like having the same meal every single day and
somebody says, how was it good?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Same meal? That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's like there's one restaurant in OKC and it's SGA.
He's serving up what he does every single night against
every single team. That is not something that is must
see TV. That's what the NBA wants when you get
to the finals.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
They want a big audience.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Wemby is, you know, a different creature and the Knicks
are going to be the Knicks, and you get celebrities there,
you get the atmosphere there, you get you know, it's
all involved there. That's what you want. Now, that's not
what you always get. You can't get the you know,
the Yankees against the Dodgers in the World Series every year.
If you could, Baseball would be like, yes, we'll sign
(09:29):
up for that. But it's tricky when it comes to dynasties.
What is a dynasty depending on the sport.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Yes, Marvin, the Pistons and the Rockets, they both went
back to back, but we don't consider them dynasties. We
remember them, but they're not considered dynasties like the Lakers
and the Bulls.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yes, I think you got to win at least three
in five years. If you go, you know, a three peete,
then you're a dynasty. But it depends on the sport.
If you go back to back, like and talking about
the Patriots back at the beginning of you know, this
decade or a century where you go, oh, back to back,
(10:09):
that's why it doesn't happen. It's harder to do that
in the NFL than it is these other sports. Yes, Dylan,
are you considering the Patriots. Two dynasties are one continuous
one obviously with a lull in between, because I imagine, wow,
as long as Brady was there, that's kind of one.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I would say two with a pause.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Because they went what ten years without winning anything, but
they won like you don't have that dip. Sometimes you'll
have a team that wins and then there's this dip
and then they come back win again. I would say
Patriots definitely a dynasty.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Do you want to know what the longest continuous dynasty
in history is?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Ming? The Ming dynasty. They were a run man Yao
Ming dynasty.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They're up there, but it's actually the Imperial of Japan,
the Yamato dynasty, longest continuous by blood dynasty over fifteen
hundred years.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
See the Patriots. Touch of that one? And how many
years were they favored? Though? I think most of those years. Yeah,
it sounds like that. I saw Withe the Arizona Cardinals
aren't favored in any game this year?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
A left turn saynasty. Yeah, yes, that the Cardinals are
not favored in any game this year.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Assault. I'm like, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You got your quarterback holding out, Jacoby Brussett. They are
the opposite of a dynasty. Or maybe can you be
a dynasty playing poorly?
Speaker 6 (11:38):
Yes, Paul, A couple more rules of a dynasty. Your
core has to continue during your run. Like you said
about the late nineties Yankees, you had Pasada, Bernie Williams, Jeter,
the big four or five guys stuck around and the
other one is lasting impact Are they remembered like the
mid seventies Steelers, You know all the names and they
last forever.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah. I think like the Pistons, we remember them. They're
the bad boy Pistons. They won two titles. The Celtics
with Bird obviously you remember them, Lakers with Magic Showtime,
you remember them. And you might not even remember how
many titles they want or how many titles they won
in a row, but you do remember those teams. Sometimes
(12:24):
it was about what they showed you right in front
of you on your TV, not necessarily what the end
result for each season. But yeah, it's an interesting topic
of is OKC bordering on Are they on the brink
of being a dynasty if they win a second title?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yes, Dylan?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Is it the repeat nature of titles that's a bigger factor,
Like if you win like every other year for six years,
well not there's no repeats or three pizza or anything.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Does that still feel like a dynasty? I mean it
should be, but well depends on the sport. Like Seattle's
not favored to win the Super Bowl this year. They
got maybe the third or fourth best odds, But if
they did, I mean that's really really, really rare.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, Pauling the seventies.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Steelers won the Super Bowl in seventy four and seventy five,
they made the playoffs and did not make it to
the super Bowl the next two years, then they won
two more Super Bowls. That's four titles in six years.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Pure dynasty. Yeah, and we remember those players.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
When you can recite the lineup, then that usually helps
you kind of lean towards that impression, that imprint they
left on your life on the sports world.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
Yes, Marvin, and there's sometimes when people say dynasties, you
have to repeat. I don't subscribe to that because look
at the bird Celtics. They won an eighty one, eighty four,
and eighty six. But we consider them a dynasty because
they were always there. They were always in the hunt,
and the teams they lost to they lost the Lakers,
so there's no shame in that. And they were always competitive.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I think that's what I want to see is
you don't want to have that, oh what happened, Oh
they didn't make the playoffs that you know, one season
then they came back. But to keep it, it's harder
to keep a team together. I mean, the Celtics weren't
leaving with Bill Russell and Red Arbac, those guys stayed.
There was no free agency. The Steelers, they stayed together.
(14:18):
Like you have to look at before free agency and
after free agency and trying to keep your players together.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yes, Marv, if the thunder win, they're second straight, Well
we look at them the way we look at the Pistons.
We don't think of the Pistons as being a really deep,
really good, really competitive team. We look at them Mahorn
and Lambier getting in the fights, roughing up Michael Jordan.
Are we going to look at them the same way
we look at the Pistons.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, the Pistons had personality. OKC doesn't have a real personality,
a big personality. I mean they tried to do a
SGA chat Holmergan commercial and you're like, okay, Like the
Pistons were the bad boys, they were the villains. There
was a documentary about them. They did a thirty for
(15:05):
thirty on them. See I will there be a thirty
for thirty on OKC. You got a better chance of
a thirty for thirty on Wemby in the Spurs. But
I know it takes away from OKAC and their success.
It's just they're not exciting. Seattle Seahawks weren't exciting. They're
(15:27):
not they were great. The Rams have more personality. There's
other teams, but Seattle played. They were the best team
in football last year. That doesn't mean like the Patriots,
they weren't exciting. I mean, Drake May okay, you know,
(15:48):
found out your coach might have been a little more interesting.
But other than that, it's not like you go, man,
Patriots must see TV.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
They're not.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
But when Brady was there dating Superma, Bill Belichick, being
Bill Belichick, interchangeable parts there, winning offensively, defensively, Gronk is
in there. I mean, you know, that's what you want.
That's if you're going to remember a team. There's other
things that factor in other than you're just winning. It's
how you're winning, and I think that sometimes differentiates between
(16:21):
and there are teams that are probably better than the
teams that win back to back or two and three years,
but they may not have that impact.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, Paul, you know, a tough team to quantify is
a late nineties early two thousand Spurs. Did they win
five titles in fifteen years? It was spread out they
won one lost, a few lost, a few one to
one one. But they didn't have star power, but they
are so relevant.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Their dynasty to me, yeah, that organization has been dynastic,
so I would put them in. I mean, I love
watching Genobli. Timmy was just when your nickname is the
big fundamental. I mean it's really hard to go. Man,
must see TV. Hey, let's tune in and watch nice
(17:10):
bounce pass or maybe a bank shot here. But they
forced you to watch, which is what Okay is doing.
You got to watch because they're playing in big games.
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Speaker 4 (20:18):
Where do they go? There's this was the I think
I have six now for various projects and a couple
for me.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
One of the war as a host or play by play,
one's downstairs, one's up in my office, the third ones
on the way.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I guess I don't know. Okay, I don't know, but sorry,
all right. I mean it's a humble brag when you go,
I think I've won six.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Because the counting is weird, like if you're part of
like Sunday Night Football one for best Series. So I
don't know if that goes on my counting or not,
which I think it does.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
But when they say X number X, Costas is like
seventy three times Emmy Award winner, Bob Costas, like whatever,
they're they're just they're just recognition by your peers that
your tape was the best of the tapes that were
sent to which is really which is really what it is.
So it's you know, no, it is Dan, Honestly, it's
(21:20):
you had good moments in the games you covered and
you didn't screw them up.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
That's what it is. Have you seen Costas his his
Emmy room. I've seen. I've seen it as a back
to us the background for a zoom at some point.
I did see that. You did see that. Yeah, that's
no where we'll never get there, nor will we have
just just kind of yeah, dust them off. How close
are the Thunder to being considered a dynasty? Oh? No,
(21:44):
not yet. No no, no, no, no two titles, no no, no, no.
We fast forward this stuff so much.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Let's go back, Like the whole dynasty conversation is almost
impossible to hold up to the dynasties that we grew
up with Lakers, Celtics, Steelers, etc. The Yankees because players
move like the thunder will come back with a different
piece and a different piece, and same for the next
team and the next team. Like, we got to slow
(22:13):
down on this stuff. Look, they've won one title. They're
trying to get to the finals for a second time.
If they win that, that's an all time good run.
It's not the Celtics. Like the Celtics and the Lakers,
they were just in the finals every year, right, and
somebody had to do everything they could to knock them
out for a year like the Sixers did, right or So?
(22:34):
I just think we fast forward this conversation way too much.
They're a really, really good team. They have the potential
because of what Sam Presty has done to build this
organization and the capital they have coming up in the draft,
and the moves they can make which are different than
everyone else.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, I think having those players locked in under contract
moving forward is key.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Well, those big three in j Dubb, Jaylen Williams and
home Grin and Shay. But now with those first round
picks that he has, you can do things like trade
a one and three two's for Jared McCain. Nobody had
that capital to go get a second year player who
Philadelphia said, you know what, we can't play three guards
(23:15):
with Tyre's Maxie and vj Edgecombe and McCain. So let's
move him while his value is high. And if Sam
doesn't make that move with these injuries they have, maybe
they're not three to two in this series.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So those are the ways you can build something that
lasts for a long time in an era where that's
really hard financially to do because of paying Look, he drafted, well,
you have to pay these guys, and then that's a problem.
I think of the Lions in the NFL. They've really
drafted well the last few years with a bunch of
young core players. Now you got to pay them all
and so every time there's another edge rusher out there,
(23:51):
Lions fans are like, well, why.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Don't you go get him?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You just don't have enough financial rooms.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
How big of a story is Wemby's skipping out on
the media. I don't know what happened at the end
of the game, Mike, but I don't know if that's
a big deal tonight for you guys in leading into
game six.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
It's a watch early in the game, right, You'll watch
early in the game. Are there more hard fouls? Is
there some message sent? I think Dan and you lift
so many of these series. Gosh, we sat next to
each other during some of the finals runs and we
were both working radio and doing Sports Center.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Over the years.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Like you carry a tone to the next game, but
it changes just like this, and I think it's different
when veterans are the guys who are out there setting
that tone. If young guys have a lot going on.
They have never half the San Antonio team, probably two
thirds of their rotation, have never faced an elimination game
in the NBA playoffs, right, think about it's the first
(24:48):
playoffs here is for Wemby and Castle and all those
guys that we've talked about, Dylan Harper and even Vasell.
They did not face elimination in the first two rounds.
They are facing an elimination. They will walk into the
game today with a feeling of pressure of must win
that they never have before except in the NBA Cup
(25:08):
in December, or you knew there were tomorrows here, you don't.
So I think it's really hard to have that and
be of the mindset of let's set this hard foul
on this guy. So I don't know if it Harry's
over once to the next wenby not talking, not the
first time, not the last time, somebody's skipped out on
the media like first timers before he gets warned he'll
(25:29):
get fined if he does it again, lesson learned.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I would guess I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Talking to Mike Cherico and he'll be on the call
tonight Game six Western Conference Finals thunder Spurs with Reggie
Miller and Jamal Crawford, tip off eight thirty Eastern on NBC.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
In Peacock, I.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Watched a little bit of WNBA action with Caitlin Clark,
and I was trying to judgetapose that with the NBA,
and it feels like there's more play on moments in
the WNBA than there is the NBA. It feels there's
a lot of cot and it's a lot rougher than
what people realize it. But it feels like maybe the
(26:07):
NBA needs to have a few more play on moments.
And Reggie Miller talked about this the previous game where
he goes, that's a play on, that's not a found.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, So let's separate these for a second. The WNBA
has had a massive officiat officiating problem over the last
couple of years, so much so that and I'm thin
on the details here, but I just heard it discussed
in our studio show with Sue Burn and Cheryl Miller
the opening night. They they had a committee come together
(26:37):
to try to figure out what they're going to do
and how they're going to do it to be better
about their officiating. So I don't want to hold up
something that has put their head up and said we
have a problem. As the example, I do think the
physicality of the playoffs is significantly different than the regular
season product.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And why familiarity.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
We're not walking in in January in Salt Lake City
and putting a Patrick on the board likes to go
left right.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
He's like, okay, great, I'll get there.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
No, now, it's you know what angle Dan is at
when he wants to try to start going left and
you're playing defense, and now you've learned that opponent. Think
of the guy at the gym with a gall at
the gym you play against by game five or six,
you know their moves, or even pickleball or tennis. You
know what they do well and take it away. What
happens in playoffs here, So the physicality has to ramp up,
(27:23):
and I think there have been more play ons, but
I think now everybody takes every angle and puts it online.
Look at this, here's an example of a foul. Yeah,
if he's filled down an NFL game, every play looks
like a hold or pass interference. So there's a balance.
I think that's why the human element of officiating is there.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Is it perfect?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
No, It's also something that you can't look at and
you'd say it's a foul, and I'd say it's not
a foul. It's just because that contact has to be
allowed in my opinion at this point in the series.
But if you are I love the football term. If
it material materially restricts what you do. If my contact
keeps you from trying to score or get to the
(28:02):
place you want to get to, that should.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Be a foul. Period. Did you grow up a Knicks fan.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I did.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I did, Yeah, so there was you never got to
see them win.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I'm old enough, I don't remember all of it, but
so Marv Albert was the radio announcer for the Knicks,
and they put out a record.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
That's what one of those round things you put on
a record players.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
For those of you who think the retro train when
it came around a few years ago, they put at
a record of the Knicks championship season. And I must
have listened to that when I was seven, eight nine
years old, as I was falling in love with sports
and broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
So I remember it, but I don't.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I can't tell you I saw Willis come out of
the tunnel, but I remember what that feeling was like
as a Knick fan at that time.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
How do you sum up, describe, encapsulate what's happened with
the Knicks this year?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I haven't they been given the championship. I've been watching
it when I went.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I watched ESPN the morning after the Dicks one of
the Eastern Conference final, and like the stage managers wearing
waving Nick's flags, I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Like, what slow down? Slow down? They have been unbelievable
and we had them seven eight times this year.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Then we had them after their last playoff loss against Atlanta,
and Mike Brown did a terrific job. I thought of
tweaking the offense. Karl Anthony Towns is a point forward.
It's unlocked everybody. We rarely see all five guys going
at the same time, and right now they're all going.
I will say the defense that they're about to face
from either one of these teams is a massive step
(29:37):
up from the defense they saw, Like did you see
any Cleveland Cavalier turn of guard a different way coming
up to the floor, Like Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart,
they just had like free reign to come down the floor.
So I think it's going to be another step up.
But what they're doing is great, and it's really good
when a city loves basketball the way New York does.
To see that kind of basketball played, what it does
(30:00):
remind me of Dan Is watching and listening to the
stories about how the seventies Knicks played together, shared the ball,
guys at their role and embraced it, and that's why
they are forever team remembered in New York. And I
think this team does that and it embodies basketball at
it's the purest, rich best of enjoyment, movement and teamwork.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I was talking to Vincent Goodwill, Great n BEHA reporter
for The Mothership, and I said, you got to win
the title. Yeah, yeah, this is New York And he said, no,
this is the Knicks. They're not used to getting here.
So he was saying, you know, this is kind of
a if we get you know, we're going to get
to the finals. Even if we don't win, we've had
a successful year. I said, you've had a successful year. Yes,
(30:42):
but this is a city that is predicated on winning,
not getting there.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Correct, correct? I mean unless you get the parade in
the Hero of Canyons, you're not remembered as a forever team.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
If you do, then you've become a special team in
the biggest city that has millions and millions of sports
followers who revere those guys. Well, Clyde Fraser is revered
at eighty one years old. When you're in Masion Square, Guarden,
I love seeing Clyde. I see Clyde when we're doing
a game and it's a side by side or Clyde
happens to be in the building, Like I want to
(31:15):
go say Hi, because Clyde is still coolest dang guy
this side of Joe Namath, Right, those two guys. Growing
up in the seventies in New York, that was the
definition of the cool professional athlete. And Clyde still has
that in his eighties, and so does Joe anytime you
talk to him or you're around him.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We've changed. It's a different era, but it's been so long.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
And I think what's cool about New York for the
fans is that those fans when this team was unwatchable,
they went and enjoyed good basketball from the opponent's games
at the Garden always matter to players that walk up
that ramp to go into the building. And I think
to have the best basketball in the world, the NBA
(32:00):
Finals in that building, plus the New York part of
it makes it makes it really cool.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
It's gonna be a great files.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
I cannot wait to be off and watch not Shave
and watch Breen and those guys work for a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I'm looking forward to the finals. Will you go to
a game?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
No, this is the whenever this ends, either tonight or
Game seven on Saturday, that's the end of the run
that started in September with Sunday Night football and the
Olympics in Super Bowl and started the NBA for US
at NBC. And so this is the last three hundred
and sixty five yards of the marathon. So I am
going to go home and chill until the US opened
(32:38):
a couple of weeks, and then.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Chill after that. But I will I will enjoy watching
for sure. Do you have broadcasting superstitions on game Day? No? No,
not really.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I have patterns and habits, but it's not like, oh
my gosh, if I don't need a Caesar salad with chicken,
this is going to be a bad broadcast.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Although although with Reggie Miller.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
And Stevens and we have ordered more Caesars with Chicken
and NBA arenas than than most people over the last
two But this has been I forgot how much fun
the NBA is.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
This has been so much fun.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
And Redge and Jamal and Zora and Ashley Shamani we
have had We've had the greatest time. If there's anything
I'm rooting for tonight, I'd love to get us to
a game seven because I'd love to do two more
days with this group. We've had a blast, and you
have Reggie out every week, so everybody knows how fun
reg can be. I mean two weeks on the road
of the Redge that really three and a half weeks
(33:32):
has been just all times fun and Jamal the same.
So it's been great.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think Jamal has been unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
He's great Dan his stories, his vision, what he sees
in the game is really good. And you know, three
man booths work wer don't work based on a ton
of things. These guys are so giving and they talk
to each other. You know, we go a couple of
possessions and they're going back and forth and back and forth.
I'm just sitting there listening to them, like there's no
reason to get in the way of this and that
(34:00):
can that starts in the car, it happens at lunch,
it continues on the air, and that that's when you
have something good. So I'm having the greatest time and
shout out to these two cities like there'll be the
small market against the big market. But man, like I
have a headache, my ears ring for thirty minutes coming
out of the building, and I because your headphones are
craked up because you can't hear each other and it's
(34:22):
so this has been so much fun.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
It's been great.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Before I let you go. The NFL growth here, I know.
Now it feels like we're kicking Sunday one o'clock games
to the curb. Yeah yeah, but I understand it because
I'll watch one game at one o'clock. I'll watch, you know,
a four to thirty game, you know, occasionally the red zone.
But then you watch a standalone game on Sunday, and
(34:45):
a standalone game on Monday, and a standalone game. This
is what all of these different partners want. But where
do you stand on sort of the I don't if
you say the fragmentation of what used to be the
NFL schedule and where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I used to get frustrated. I go back to forty
years ago.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I get really frustrated that I couldn't watch the Bengals
play at one o'clock when they weren't all that good,
or even when they were halfway decent. Pick a team
like because I liked football, So you know, having four
or five games in the one o'clock window still fine.
There are weeks it gets thin. There are weeks towards
the end it gets thin. I think to avoid it
(35:25):
getting thin. What I would suggest is that the league
does what the Premier League does. Here's who you're playing
December thirteenth. We're not going to assign starting times or
TV networks until like a month out, so we'll know
that in those individual windows there are good games. Because
(35:46):
bad games and individual windows hurt the product. Good games help,
so there would be the best game. But make sure
you've got a game of some meaning. And I think
the only way to do that from mid November on
is to Okay, Thursday nights. You almost have to a
side for travel logistics, so people will get backed up
with that. But I would put the week twelve fourteen
(36:07):
sixteen scheduled just like we do the last week of
the season. Let's wait and then we don't have to
do it a week before, three or four weeks before.
You're the Sunday night, you're the Monday night. You're you're
the Sunday afternoon, Saturday afternoon. That's the way I think
the individual windows can still maintain significance. Have a good
four packet, one three pack at four point thirty, and
(36:27):
go from there. Just one guy's opinion. You know, it's
like same thing. Nothing's easier to do than tell somebody
else how to do their job. So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Congrats again on the sports Emmy and uh have fun.
Good to talk, Thank you, Yeah, good talk with you. Mandstright,
Mike Jurko, he's the voice of well, he's just the
voice NBC Football Night in America and Basketball and the
super Bowl and the Olympics, Kentucky Derby US Open Open Championship.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
He'll be on the call tonight.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
That'll be Game six in Santa until Neil eight thirty
Eastern on NBC and Peacock will take a break. Our
Play of a Day is up next. Thanks for listening
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(37:19):
live on the Peacock app.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Oh my god, this is the play of the day.
Check this out.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Ah, We're a Keithan at the Matreal blue line, god
Is whips and across Eilers pass Stars.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Power play goal. Carolina yet a.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
One nothing lead, their first power play goal of this series,
and Sebastiano delivers it, It's won nothing.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Hurricanes are the first team to open a postseason run
with at least six consecutive road wins. Last time that
happened was twenty twenty two. That's your play of the day,
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Speaker 4 (38:35):
Did we settle on a poll question? We have not yet, Dan.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
We got a couple options here for starters. Will there
be a Game seven between the Spurs and the Thunder?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I hope, But for some reason I don't think I hope.
What else do you have?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Paulie sent this one over. This is actually an interesting
topic in one hundred years. In one hundred years, which
athlete from this era will be the most remembered spoken about?
And we can kind of populate this one as a
squad like Tom Brady, Lebron, Lenel Messi, Otani Wemby any others.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yeah, pull, So my thought was we still bring up
Babe Ruth regularly on a sports radio show one hundred
years after he was relevant, And you know there's some
other players like Jim Brown or you know, there's not
that many. Wilt Chamberlain makes our show. I'm curious people
from today who, because of their accomplishments, are pending accomplishments. Well,
we talked about one hundred years from now on a
(39:35):
sports radio well show.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Hey, Otani will in my opinion, because he threw six
no hit innings. He also hit another home run. His
era is now zero point eight two. He's becoming I'll
be careful when I say this, a better pitcher than hitter.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
He's been on a recent terror the last couple of
weeks to raise his batting average. But I go back
to what Dave Roberts said to us in spring training
that Otani is really focused on winning the Cy Young.
If he were to win the Cy Young and with
all these MVP and he'll win the MVP again, like
we're seeing a historical run. We're seeing something that's never happened.
(40:20):
And I don't know if we get imitators that, you know,
you'll have teams that'll say, hey, why don't we try
to develop somebody like that? Because a lot of your
pitchers were great hitters. They usually pitched and if you
didn't pitch. You played shortstop and he batted third. But
I think what we're seeing with Otani is something we've
(40:41):
never seen before. Therefore he's going to stand out. I mean,
Messi is unbelievable, but is he Pele? Like we still
talk about Pele Tom Brady, who knows what the quarterbacking
position is going to be like in one hundred years
from now?
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yes, Dyling, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's the facto soccer guy here.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
I have to say, Messi and.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Ronaldo, do you have kind of that extra level of
reach globally?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, but they kind of cancel each other out. They're
both unbelievable, like Pele stood alone for a long time,
but I think Otani to have. He was angry last
night because his location wasn't great, but he had six
no hit innings and hit another home run.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
Yes, Paul, with Otani, does he get bonus points if
it's really close for the cy Young this year? Because
he also has six hundred at bats.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
And you brought up this point to me this morning,
and I didn't think about it. But if you're thinking about, hey,
all I'm going to do is pitch, but then it's
so much more than that. It's all I'm going to
do is pitch, and then the other day is I'm
going to hit, and you factor that in because pictures, Hey,
I got to have four days rest.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
I got to have five days rest. Shoey Otani doesn't
get that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Now you can say, well, okay, we're gonna be a
DH Okay, you still have to get ready for a game,
so maybe not physically, but mentally you're getting ready for
another game.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Mean the argument in the past is against pitchers winning
the MVP has always been while you play every five days,
you know, batters play every single day. But I do
think that he o'tio have a tough time winning unless
it is by like just undisputed that he's the cy
young I think we'll have a tough time if he's
basically just winning the MVP every season. I think they'll
(42:37):
be hesitant to give him both unless it is just
like you can't make an argument, all.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Right, He's pitched fifty five innings. His ERA is zero
point eight two. Go back to the start of the season,
like his schemes had a bad outing against the Mets,
his ERA was like sixty four plus. He's hit three
eighty three over the past thirteen games, and you're right,
the voters might say, well, you got the MVP, let
(43:03):
the pitch, let schemes, get the cy Young again.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
Most starting pitchers have eleven or twelve starts at this
juncture of the season.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Otani has eight, you know, so he's.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Behind the curve a little bit and that could be
used again.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But I'm gonna have to get the numbers here and
Big Dea Ray had these or we were talking about this,
the amount of innings he's going to have to pitch,
because if I look at Chris Sale and Jacob de Grom,
like some of these guys who have won the cy Young,
I think Otani might have to pitch one hundred and
seventy innings. Even Trek Skoob, well, I don't know what
(43:40):
his numbers were, probably under two hundred. I mean, it
is remarkable the amount of innings that pitchers don't pitch anymore.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Not apples to apples, But if you compare Otani winning
MVP and cy Young to like the NFL with MVP
and Offensive Player of the Year, where a lot of
years you could argue whoever wins the MVP would also
win the Offensive Player of the Year. I think they
kind of buy fer Kate the two where.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
The Mvpifer Kate easy whoa okay word? Okay, all right, Denver, Yeah, Paul, Okay.
Here's a thing for Otani. Back in twenty twenty one,
Corbyn Burns the starter for Milwaukee. He was eleven and five,
only twenty eight starts, only one hundred and sixty seven innings,
and he won the cy Young.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
You see, there's your opening.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I mean, who would have thought get to one hundred
and fifty innings, one hundred and sixty innings you can
win the cy Young. But that's that's where we are now.
I think Chris Sale had like one hundred and seventy
four one year, but Otani six no hit innings and
wasn't pleased with his control. Joey Vado will speak about
shoe Hey Otani coming up next hour Get to your
(44:48):
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