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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Thursday Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show.
The rumored Kansas City Chiefs bias in the NFL has
become a really, really hot topic. In fact, Patrick Mahomes
addressed this yesterday in his press conference.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I've kind of learned that no matter what happens during
the game, that something's going to come out or about
if you win and you continue to win, So I
don't really pay attention to it. I mean, obviously I've
been on both sides of it as far as how
I felt the calls were made. But at the end
of the day, man, those guys are doing their best
to make the best calls and keep it toward the
players and making the plays in the game. And that's
what besides the outcome, And there was a call here
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or there that people didn't agree with, but at the
same time, I think there was a lot of other
plays that really decided to outcome of that football game.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, did the right thing. Compliment the officials doing the
right thing. I've been on both sides of this. Now,
nobody's suggesting that there's this scandal. Now some in our
audience have suggested that the NFL somehow wants the Chiefs
to win, but the penalty disparity between Kansas City and
their postseason opponents is hard to ignore. It's you know,
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you start to look at the numbers and you go,
all right, there's something there. Warren Sharp, who's a football analyst,
found that since twenty twenty one, the Chiefs have benefited
from a staggering penalty disparity this in the postseason. Over
eleven playoff games, Kansas City has never had more penalties
than their opponents, going ten to one. In that span,
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thirty six penalties compared to the sixty six.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
You know with their opponents, that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's not one of those okay, kind of close there,
sixty six to thirty six. The penalty disparity does raise
questions here. Now you can say Kansas City's at home,
you're going to get more calls. There's discipline here. Andy
Reid is instilled discipline on this team. Maybe it's luck,
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maybe it's something else, but it's hard to say that
the statistical anomaly hasn't benefited the league's best team. The
numbers are there, and there is this perception and this
is what all these leagues fight against the NBA. David Stern, Boy,
you want to drive him crazy, talk about how you
know these officials benefit the stars are certain teams, and
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he would be apoplectic. He'd go crazy. This commissioner, I
have no idea how he feels about this. I would
feel bad, or I'd at least be aware of the
perception that the Chiefs get all these calls. Now, is
that going to mean that the commissioner says something to
the officials. I don't think so. But the officials want
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to get the call, right. Do I think that Mahomes
flaunts the protect the quarterback rules?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yes? I do, and he's acknowledged that.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I don't blame him for doing it, But then I
don't blame somebody taking a shot at him. At some point,
somebody's going to Is it going to be in the postseason?
Is it going to be worth it? Does the team
or as players or his teammates say, we'll pay the fine,
you know what, We'll take the fifteen yards. We want
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to make sure that he doesn't continue to do this.
But if you look at those numbers, just the raw
numbers there, I don't think you can go it's nothing.
I don't you know, even the biggest Kansas City chief apologist,
Nick Wright, can't look at that and go that's nothing.
I will say that you're at home, you're going to
get more calls or you're probably not going to be
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guilty of, you know, the crowd noise bothering you, like,
there's certain things that go in most teams will probably
get the call, and there's a penalty disparity between home
and a way. But these are postseason games and that's
where you have a really good team coming in and
they have discipline as well, or they wouldn't gotten to
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this point. So there are numbers that are there, and
it doesn't help the perception that the Kansas City chiefs
get all the phone calls. Got ahead of myself here,
but good morning. If you're watching on Peacock and our
radio affiliates around the country, our buddy Sean Salisbury, former
quarterback Hill John is coming up here in a little
bit eight seven to seven to three DP show update
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the poll results seat and then I have a suggestion
for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Which would you want your team to hire an offensive
coordinator defensive coordinator? Right now, that's at about seventy four
percent offensive coordinator. Okay, we also have one that we
we were going to get to yesterday but never quite
got around to. Whose coaching legacy changes more with a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Win this season? Okay, I don't know when you're ready
for that. I don't know if I wasn't ready yesterday,
I don't know if I'm ready today.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Okay, Okay, how about which quarterback has more pressure on
them this weekend?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I'm not ready for that. I'm not ready for that
one either. Let's do the coaches right now. Which coach
would benefit the most? So Dan Quinn famously lost twenty
eight to three a twenty eight to three lead with
the Patriots, even though Kyle Shanahan gets the play.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Andy Reid another super Bowl super Bowl win.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
That'd be four for him, including three in a row.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, something nobody's ever done. Might move him to the
He's definitely the second greatest coach of all time. Now
see that Chuck Noel won four. That gets tricky. You know, Lombardy,
they had won championships, then they won the first two
Super Bowls. So I think when you're saying greatest coach
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of all time, there's probably going to be asterisk with
certain names of when they coached, you know, Chuck Nole
winning four Super Bowls? Would I put him there with Belichick? Yes,
I would Don Shula, but Don Shula didn't win enough
super Bowls to be he has the most wins. You
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can throw in Tom Landry if you I mean, there's
a lot of coaches, Bill Walsh, you can put him
in there.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
There's quite a few of them.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yeah, but Andy Reid's name definitely gets mentioned, sure a
lot more with that with a fourth super Bowl and
three in a row, and three in a row, absolutely,
so dan Quinn would make up for the loss, even
though that wouldn't really help Atlanta fans.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
McDermott and Buffalo. Boy, that's a big one. That's a
big one. That's where it's like, yeah, that's pretty good.
It felt like he's been on the hot seat a
couple of times, or at least the perceived hot seat.
Then you win a super Bowl in a year where
I think most people thought Buffalo would be a good team,
not a great team. And if you beat Kansas City
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in Kansas City and you'd win a Super Bowl, ding
ding ding ding ding ding, that's a big deal. Andy,
You know, that's a big deal for Andy Nick Sirian Cirianni.
That's also one of those he's on the hot seat.
He could win a super Bowl and still be on
the hot seat.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It feels definitely yes.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And what did he say to the fans? You know,
does he get along with Jalen Hurts? I would say,
I'd say mc Sean McDermott, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
You're stopping the three peat, so it has more weight
to it. It's you're not getting to the super Bowl
by beating a scrub team or a rando team. You're
taking down the Chiefs, and a lot of people want
you to do it.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I think I mentioned it yesterday. But I think Steve
Spagnolo Spags Spags gets a massive boost. He's he's gonna
end up going to the Hall of Fame as a coordinator,
which I don't know how many times that happens.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Did we find that out? Can we?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
We checked with our research people the number of coordinators
just ordinator, give me that many. I just thought Dick
Lebou was a coordinator, but he's a former player as well.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Yes, Pauline, I only found one yesterday. It was Dick
lebo and I think he gets a bonus. He was
a head coach for a couple of years with the
Bengals two thousand to two didn't work out so well,
but he got most of his credit for being an
assistant coach. He does get a lot of credit because
he had a very good NFL career as a player.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
By the way, if you're in New Orleans Super Bowl Week,
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media platforms. Yeah, I would say Sean McDermot, anybody have
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anybody else that they would go They they could use
a real boost winning or that would really boost them up.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yes, I and Kellen Moore could use the boost too.
He's kind of he was the like air apparent in
Dallas and now since he's bounced around a little bit
to strike out on his own, I think that he
if he could help lead that offense to a Super
Bowl win, that would be a massive boost for him.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So now we've made it assistant coach who could use
the biggest next level.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
We just said coach and not head coach. They're all
coach coach, Spags over under ten Cutaways just Steve Spagnola
Cutaway is not mentioned.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, I think if they show him then they'll mention
Spags is dialing something up. Definitely over You're gonna go
over ten because there's more shots of Spags than there
is Taylor Swift. Oh yeah, they no, definitely definitely. Okay,
let's do a bet who's on camera? Who gets more
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screen time? How about that Taylor Swift or Spags styling
something up. See, I'm gonna do Spags because I think
the networks know that people they don't necessarily want to
see Taylor Swift. I mean you know that she's there. Great,
you show her playoff game? Okay? Is she sitting next
to whoever? Caitlin Clark? Is it gonna be Travis Kelsey's mom?
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But I don't know, Brittany Mahomes. I think maybe maybe
three three appearances over under three and a half three
and a half, yes, yes, Marvin, but.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
I think it depends on how good Travis Kelsey's playing. Oh,
if he has eleven catches, that's at least seven or
eight panaways.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Okay, all right, miss Taylor Swift, all right, but what
if Chris Jones has got three sacks and who's the
defensive lineman there? Yeah, if he gets two sacks, you
go to Spags. Oh he's dialing some I can dial
up a lot of stuff. That doesn't mean it's going
to happen now, says Spags is dialing something up. Somebody
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has to be able to put that in motion. Yes, Pauli,
you know you've made it in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
When they don't, they don't say, you know, the Chiefs
defense is playing really well this week. The Spagnolo defense
is really playing well this week.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
These Spags.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
Yes, Ton, And if you add up the total seconds
of airtime, I would have to go to Spags because
when they show Taylor for a couple of quick seconds,
she's hugging someone or high fiving Patrick Mahomes's wife. When
you're talking about a particular play and you're getting reaction
in the headphones on the sideline, you're more likely I
would think to stay on Spags for longer periods.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Of the Yah Spags, he's always dialing something. Uh No,
other defensive coordinator dials something up.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's always Spags.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
Yes, Martin Spags in the fourth quarter alone against the Rams.
They showed him about five or six times because they
just kept going after Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Bags.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
Oh look what he did.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, even though Matthew Stafford could have led them down
and won the game against US. You know the defense
that they were dialing up, the Stevie Spags defense.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
My bad, Spags. I had the wrong team. I have
the Rams and the Eagles. Yes, you have to say
his name.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
It's not the fiesta ball, it's the tostitos festa a
spagnolo defense.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
What would you like tonight? I'll take the spagnolo please? Yes?
Is maren ariosouce on that?
Speaker 9 (12:22):
Please?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Jimmy and tell me Kalamara.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I love the spags. Spaghetti spag spagghetti. Yeah, there we go. Yes, Yes.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
If you work in a restaurant, they shorten it to spag.
If you put in an order, you put it. Yeah.
I need two spags. I need two spag and balls.
I'm dead serious. Like if you go in the back
of a restaurant and you hear the ordering, especially Italian,
I need two spag and balls.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Rush all right, those spaghetti and meatballs.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I'm asking if that's true. Yeah, I'm gonna ask if
that's true on the Twitter machine.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
It's true in the restaurants I worked at.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
What restaurants did you work it?
Speaker 6 (13:00):
In my life? Yeah, four or five different ones.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Paul, You've had more jobs than I've known you for
twenty years. And I've never heard you discussed working and arrest.
Ever heard you say that bar and grill. When you
work in a bar, it's not a restaurant. Well, okay,
it has a rest and delivering. You are also a
bouncer when you're a bar back, though I bar backed
a lot. And when you bar back, you're running food
back and forth. You're running beer back and forth, drinks back.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I don't know if you've ever said that you
worked in a restaurant. You've been to a couple of them,
and almost they were restaurants.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
They had a full many bars, they had a full kitchen.
They were bars that served food. Where I heard it
was a place called Peters in New York City. I
was a doorman bartender depending on the day, and when
you being back, you'd hear the wildness that's in the
back of the back of the house as they call it.
That'll wear a lot of hats sometimes.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Setan's had a lot of jobs too, but Pauli's had
more that many, not as many as Paul.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
I probably worked in six different.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Bars, being a bouncer, bar back.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Dorman, dorman more than bouncer. I checked your ID. I
didn't push anybody around.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, hey, don't mess with that guy. Right.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Well, they thought there must be something I had because
there's no physical commodation.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Maybe a gun that I'd be the only thing. It'd be, like,
I don't know. That guy didn't look like that. He's
It's like Howard Stearn's bodyguard, Ronnie mund You know he's
a limo driver, but uh, you know, he looked intimidating.
I think, but I don't know. If somebody goes man,
I'm not going to get to Howard. I got to
go through Ronnie. Don't want to mess with that.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Paul is working with Jim Nancy at CBS, whilst also
being a personal trainer at the Rebunk Club.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
And serving spagging balls at Morton's. That is in one summer,
not Morton's or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Then.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
I don't know what my first year in New York
City I was simultaneously working CBS Sports, Peters and the
Rebochethetic Club where you've been in before, all three jobs
at once. Got to make ends meet in your Yeah,
yeah you do. I was a weekend guy at the CBS.
A lot of money.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, give me spags and balls. That's all I care about.
How about we take a break. Shawn Salisbury's going to
join us. I want him to tweak the rules on
these quarterback rules protection there. What would sean former quarterback
I have to say about all this? Get phone calls,
got a new poll question as well, Our dour rankings
coming up later on this hour as well.
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Speaker 2 (16:48):
More phone calls coming up, update the poll results as well.
Still trying to figure out what the cowboys are doing.
It feels like the cowboys are doing what the cowboys
do that you bring in familiar familiarity. These guys know
what the deal is. Aside from Dion that you come in.
Jerry's still going to be the head coach and maybe
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you're going to have the same results as well. Brian
Schottenheimer is a lifer of football guy. He's been in
the system with the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
He would be.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Thrilled to be the next head coach of the Cowboys.
But here was my problem with the whole situation with
Mike McCarthy. You dangle him, he's got a one year deal,
he's a lame duck, and then all of a sudden
you can't decide if you're going to keep him or not,
and then Mike probably said, you know what, I'm out
of here. Well, it hurts you because then you had
this window to be able to talk to these offensive
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and defensive coordinators during your their bye week in Detroit.
You could have talked to Ben Johnson as a result,
and you miss out on having a zoom call with
Ben Johnson. I don't think Ben Johnson wanted to go
to the Cowboys because he knows what the situation is.
He's going to be in Chicago and he's going to
be able to run his team, or at least he
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hopes so. Mike Rabel's same way with New England. If
you're going to go into Dallas, You're not going to
be running the Dallas Cowboys. Let's bring in Sean Soulisbury,
former NFL quarterback. Also he hosts the morning show on
Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston. Good to talk to
you again, Sean. Do you have an idea what the
Cowboys are doing?
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Yeah, they're being the Cowboys.
Speaker 13 (18:24):
Dan, think about this now, which you mentioned, and listen
to what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Their inconsistency and.
Speaker 13 (18:30):
Lack of like proactive is exactly who they've been since
the mid nineties. And Jerry Dion notwithstanding, if he pulls
that off, it'll be because relationships and all that. But Jerry,
Jerry would have fired himself fifteen times as the GM
since the mid nineties. Great Marketer, the best in the world.
But the problem is is that Jerry's never gonna let
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anybody come in there and be the face.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
And the voice of the building.
Speaker 13 (18:56):
He's just not And when you have that, you can't
be a doctor in a lawyer in the same office.
You got to be able to empower people to do it.
So you're gonna get guys not saying these guys aren't
good football coaches. Brian Schottenheimer, Kellen Moore, Jason Garrett. You're
gonna get guys who come in and are gonna say,
I want this job. I don't need any other power.
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I want a head coach. Let me at least have
a little autonomy to hire some of the guys we want.
But you make any decision you want, it's not gonna
be somebody with power that wants to run the building,
not only the groceries, but also put it out there
and be the guy in the hallway after the game
that's doing the press conference. As long as Jerry continues this,
the Dallas Cowboys will be who they are a January
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if they're lucky team.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
And I know that the Dion story, and you know
that had legs for a while because it was the
Cowboys and Dion, and I kept saying, I just don't
know if it's real.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I still don't know if it's real.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
But I did see an article that said Colorado is
upping its contract talks with.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
What a coinn Yeah, shocker.
Speaker 13 (20:01):
Hey, if you're not really looking for the job, the
best they can do is bring out the pro interest
and you'll get paid. But Dan real quick on that
that's good for him. Heyle if you can get it,
go get more money. Sure, but the Dion talk. If Dion,
there's a lot of familiarity there. If Dion was going
to get the Cowboys gig, and I mean, maybe it'd
be awesome. Wouldn't he already have it? What are you
waiting for? This is who the Cowboys are. Wait till
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everybody's gone and they say, well, we're.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Going to hire Dave Campo tomorrow.
Speaker 13 (20:27):
Not that Dave camp wouldn't a good coach, but now
Jerry still gets to be the loudest voice in the
biggest face in the building. That's not changing, Dan, regardless
of everybody's wish.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Why does it the appearance that the Chiefs get more
calls than anybody else? Why is that, whether it's based
in fact or based in fiction, there is that perception.
And there are numbers that show when they play their
last eleven playoff games, they're ten to one, and the
disparity between the penalties on them and to the disparity
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on their opposition.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Well, Dan, whyatt seems like it is because they do?
Speaker 13 (21:06):
Right now, I understand Bird and Jordan and Kobe and
all the guys getting Lebron getting calls because they're superstars.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
It doesn't mean that should be the case.
Speaker 13 (21:15):
A goaltending calls a goaltending call in basketball, right, it
should be no matter who the guy is blocking a
shot in football? Why is it that the Brady's or
the Stars are supposed to get more calls in the backup? Hell,
the backup needs more calls because he's not as good.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
There is that perception maybe they've earned ooh, a different look.
Speaker 13 (21:32):
When Tony Gwynn took a pitch, umpires if they were
sitting on the fence called at a ball. Well, it's
Tony Gwynn, and I understand that similar feeling here. I
don't want it diminish because listen, you could slice it
and be as pissed as you want about the Chiefs
and their success. They become the villain now because people
are fatigued by them. But they know how to win.
They're great, great situational football, even when it doesn't look pretty.
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When the time is right, they always make a play.
And then every now and again you'll get a call
that was a phantom, and the perception is that's how
they win all their games. That's not true. The Texans
got their ass kick because they gave up eight sacks.
They special teams was horrible and you let it. You know,
the their offense with Kelsey do whatever they wanted, and
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the bonuses that you get a couple phantom calls on homes,
you do have to go in knowing two or three
times a game that will happen. So you're beating a
twelfth man on plays. But I think we diminished the
Chiefs great play and situational greatness.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Because of a couple calls.
Speaker 13 (22:31):
Would they help, Yeah, if you could get them back,
and you need them going there, But that's not the
reason they keep winning. They keep winning because they got
more guts and stones at the right time than most
of their opponents. But make no mistake, they do get
superstar treatment and you and I both know it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay, So moving forward, the NFL will do what in
the sliding rule or protecting the quarterback or you know,
and Mahomes is admitted that he's kind of flaunting this. Hey,
I'm kind of getting out of bound, kind of getting
that oh to flop out of mounds or when you slide.
The NFL does have It's not a crisis, but it
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certainly is. The situation needs to be tended to.
Speaker 13 (23:10):
My favorite is all quarterbacks hate to protect. They do, Dan,
you've talked to them, I have to. Quarterbacks don't like
the over protection. But I'll be damned at the second
they get a hit, their heads snap into the officials saying,
aren't you gonna call that? And Mahomes is great at
manipulating which the rules are allowing the little okie dokee
by the sideline step and extend the ball. Know that
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you're over there slowing down. Maybe you'll get a hit,
maybe you'll get the foul. And he would get it,
so he's not dumb. He gets it.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
Dan.
Speaker 13 (23:37):
With all this talk, you know what they're gonna do,
protect the quarterbacks and players more.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 13 (23:42):
Because the lawsuits and oh my gosh, they're gonna tell
you that they're gonna watch it a little better. Well,
when all, when all, when all, you can never take
an eight carrot diamond ring for your fiance and show
her it then go give her the one carrot cubic zirconya.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
You just can't do it. And it's the same thing here.
Speaker 13 (23:57):
You're not gonna go here and all of a sudden
say let's back off the injuries, even though we all
know the rules suck. We overprotect. We've lost the integrity
of tackle football, and it adds to it when superstar
quarterbacks have it. The bottom line for me, Dan, I
hate the feet first slide rule when you break out
of the pocket. We have so many great runners at
quarterback now that look at Jayden Daniels and Hurts and
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Allen and Jackson and Mahomes. These guys now are so
good at not only manipulating the rules, but so good
using being two dimensional players that why can't we go
back to be smart in the open field like Elway.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Had to do when he played with his feet or
Steve Young get down. I hate.
Speaker 13 (24:36):
I think that you're opening yourself up to more injuries
and problems by keeping the feet first slide because of
the okie dope and defensive players. Every single rule on
the planet is set up for points and a defensive
player to get host. I'm not sure how you approach
a player because the same guy that doesn't take a
hit on an open a legal hit on a quarterback
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in the open field, you know what their coach says
to him on Monday much and tape, Dan, keep doing
that and you'll be looking for another job. Defenses get hosed.
It's gotta change. I doubt it will, but it should.
I can't stand the feet first slide. When you leave
that pocket, you become a football player like everybody else,
and do what everybody else has to do. Protect your
damn self, or go stand on there and do what
I did. Grab gatorad and hand it to the guy
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who's out there protecting himself.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Okay, you got to give me the quarterback under the
most pressure this weekend.
Speaker 13 (25:26):
Well, just by playoff pressure. It's sure not Jayden. Dan
is all how special to see Dan? Right, boy, the poise,
everything that's been documented. I think there's you know, he's
a rookie, so I hate the word. Well, he's on
house money. You never know if you're gonna get back.
So it's not him. Jalen hurts. The pressure to throw.
If Philadelphia is a pressure pack city, and if they
don't throw it, well that team they're playing can possibly
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make them one dimensional leaving. As good as Barkley is,
it's not Mahomes because well he keeps piling him up.
He's chasing Brady. He's got his He just wants more
and he wants to be greedy, and I unblameing. It's
gotta be Josh Allen, even after the great season he's had.
After all, he's the best player in Lamar Jackson not
to win a major in the golf course, right, Dan.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
It's got to be him.
Speaker 13 (26:08):
He's going on the road that we've seen this movie before,
the expectations.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
He's played great, he's protected the ball, he's.
Speaker 13 (26:14):
Dressing in a phone booth every week, and he'll have
to do it again. I think it falls on him
because no matter what happens, even if he throws for
four hundred and five touchdowns, if they lose, we're gonna
walk off this field. And you know what we're gonna say,
because that's how we do is, yeah, can get you
to January, but can't get you to February. Even if
he plays like Superman this week, it falls back on
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him and.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
People can he say yeah, but can he get you
to February?
Speaker 13 (26:38):
Which will not be fair, but it'll be because they
can't win this game if he plays average. He's got
to play great. Most of the pressure falls on him.
One guy's too young. The other guy, I don't think
we expect to throw for three hundred yards and Jalen hurts,
it's one of these guys, and it's not Mahomes because
he's got his It's all on Allen because he's got
a Hall of Fame career budding. He just doesn't have
a Super Bowl ring and this would to some validate
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that for him.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Shawn Salisbury, former NFL quarterback, host of the Sean Salisbury
Shows Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston. I would argue
and say it's Mahomes because everything he's doing is Brady. Yes,
if you get there, you got to win. You don't
know how long the gravy train last, and he could
have a three peat, which Tom never had. Now, all
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of a sudden, you're bringing in Michael Jordan. So if
you're Mahomes, now, all of a sudden, we've gone outside
of the sport and now we're bringing up the name,
or I would Michael Jordan, who three peated twice.
Speaker 13 (27:36):
He's the best winner in sports right now. Dan in
team sports, he really is. He's the best winner in
team sports. And it may not look pretty all the time,
but he finds ways, which to me is a great trait.
There are certain guys who find ways to lose. Mahomes
finds ways to win, regardless of roster shifting and all that.
But Dan and I think maybe we could even put
in two verticals right. One is the pressure on Mahomes
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for the individual legacy see chasing Brady three pete, the
things that he hasn't done and still things you've got
to accomplish to get to Brady's numbers, the wins and
all that and that legacy. But there's also the other
side that Mahomes and the team. If the Chiefs lose
this game, I doubt that very few people are going
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to walk off saying man, the Kansas City Chiefs and Mahomes.
That kind of takes some shine off mahomes career chasing
because even Brady lost some, he even lost them even
in that undefeated season. So while there's pressure, I think
for him that inner pressure of I'm keeping track, even
though he won't tell you this, keeping track with the
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Brady chase that exists, the Jordan Chase, the Tiger Woods chase.
I do think that's relevant Dan and applies here. But
as an overall team, I think the pressure of a
city are expectations. Buffalo also having been to four in
a Row and even the great Jim Kelly. They didn't
win one of those. I think that part when it
comes to the team, adds the extra team pressure. Tosh
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Allen and a guy who is so good but hasn't
been validated with the Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Now give me the coach who benefits the most from
a Super Bowl win.
Speaker 13 (29:09):
Well, we already know that Andy Reid's the best coaching
football right now, and he's he's in a chase mode too.
But I think we've already got him as he's a surefire,
no brainer Hall of Famer, and.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
He can he catch Belichick. We're talking about mahomes so right,
like it's a package deal that if one catches one,
then the other one catches one.
Speaker 13 (29:30):
Dan, There's a lot of wins to go in that category,
isn't there. You got to be a little lucky to
get to the Belichick shoela.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
But canny, Yeah, depends on how long Andy Reid wants
to do it.
Speaker 13 (29:40):
And if he has a guy that wears number fifteen's
pretty good over the next decade. Yeah, I think, But
he's got his ring now. That pressure existed when Andy
came from Philly. It's not on it's not on Quinn.
He's still you know, building his team.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, but he would be able to make up for
twenty eight to three.
Speaker 13 (29:55):
There is no doubt after being down to Brady himself,
that would be great validation. I think because of the
pressure they've been there before last year, losing coordinators and
everybody even had him at the beginning of the season.
If they struggle, we're going to fire him. The Nick
Sirianny thing and the pressure of Philly. I think that
I'm gonna put it on him, and I think Sean
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McDermott as well in the AFC you can pick six
and one a half dozen in the other because he
too has had really good teams.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
They've knocked on the door and have been there at least.
Speaker 13 (30:23):
Syrian he's been to his and Plus you know, McDermott's
going against the guy who was his mentor and the
guy who had him on his coaching staff in Philadelphia.
So probably it's Buffalo or Philly for sure. I don't
think it exists other than the inter fight for Dan Quinn.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
But Andy Reid. There's always pressure.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
It's on all of them. But Andy Reid's career is
not going to be diminished or we're not going to
say yeah, he's not Belichick if he loses a Super
Bowl or doesn't get there.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Good to talk to you as always, Sean, thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Great to talk to you, Dan, appreciate you. Enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Sean Salisbury, former NFL quarterback, host of The Sean Salisbury
Show in Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston, Hell Brad
and Missouri. Hi Brad, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
How you doing good? Brand six joke is ish?
Speaker 15 (31:17):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Tell me man, Jerry Jones, when when.
Speaker 15 (31:22):
Will he ever learn he needs?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I can't help you, Brad. Nothing's going to change nothing nothing.
If you brought in Dion then maybe, but maybe that's
why I didn't bring him in. Jerry wants all the credit.
I mean you just go back to his fingerprints on
the team when Jimmy was there, and that was you know,
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that created a real divide like that friction lasted decades.
That's how deep it went. Somebody taking credit, he's getting credit.
I deserve credit. Look at what I did. I don't
think that's going away. Dan and Jacksonville, Hi, Dan, what's
on your mind?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Hey man?
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Five forty two.
Speaker 15 (32:11):
Just got a quick question with channeling the movie Moneyball.
Is the NFL headed towards putting all their money in
offensive defensive lines and having average quarterbacks and average receivers
and still being successful.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Well, no, these quarterbacks are so talented, the rules are
catered to them. You're seeing so much athleticism now, everybody
you know you, As Steve Young says, every single time
Steve Young is on the show, he talks about, gosh,
I wish I would be playing today. I was born
too soon because you can take you you can utilize
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your arm and legs. And he said, it's so easy to.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Do that now.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
But I think having an offensive line is going to
make a quarterback look a whole lot better. It's hard
for a quarterback to make an offensive line that's average
look really good. But if you have a really good
like the Eagles have a really good offensive line, they
make Jalen Hurts look a whole lot better than what
he is. In my opinion, When the Chiefs didn't have
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a good offensive line, Patrick Mahomes looked human. They have
a good offensive line, so still the best weapon. It's important.
Man can't stress that enough. Give me offensive and defensive lines,
but I can have a good quarterback who becomes a
great quarterback. I can have a great quarterback who's going
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to be an all time quarterback. That's what your offensive
line can do. It gives you time. It gives you
time to even if you don't have great weapons, you
still have time to do something. You know, Brady, I
don't know if the offensive line was great, but it
was great for him, and he had just I mean,
he got rid of the ball faster than anybody. There's
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a reason for that because he had to. But to
be able to take advantage of your weapons, you gotta
have an offensive line. And I think that that's always
what I look for when people watch a game. I
don't watch the quarterback take the ball. I watch the
offensive and defensive line. I just want to see if
somebody's coming up the middle, something happens, somebody falls down,
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somebody is coming around the edge. I kind of watch
there and then watch the play. Probably not normal, but
I'm just conditioned to watch these lines and what they do.
When we come back, we'll have dour rankings, more of
your phone calls as well.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
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Speaker 2 (34:47):
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fifty point game since Russell Westbrook Junior the Third in
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 14 (35:18):
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Stanata Day.
Speaker 12 (35:25):
This is the Stele of the day.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
And in case you sure wonder.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
According to DraftKings the odds to win the NBA MVP,
it's Shay Gilgios Alexander minus five hundred. Next is the
Joker at plus three point eighty. The Joker is still
the best player in the game. But if they give
it to Shay gilgis he's done a wonderful job. This
team has been the best team in the NBA, or
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at least best team in the West. I have no
problem with that. Sometimes, you know, you have to get
to that point where you've earned an MVP, you know
down through history. Hey, it feels like it's not your
turn yet. It's almost like winning an Academy award. Yeah,
I don't know, not yet, and then all of a
sudden you'll win and might not be your best year.
(36:12):
But Jay gilches Alexander has been wonderful for OKAC and
I think looking at the Nuggets now, they're over five hundred,
maybe ten or eleven games over five hundred. He's averaging
a triple double and that's just an O by the way,
triple double and he does it before the fourth quarter.
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I think he has maybe ten triple doubles before the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
Yes, marmun, this is going to be like al Pacino,
not winning for the Godfather, but winning for Scent of
a Woman, Like oh you want for that? Oh okay, yeah,
but not the unbelievable performance that you have earlier.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But I thought that the Nuggets did a disservice to Joker.
They did not strengthen that team. And I don't think
that team is anywhere near what it was when they
won a championship. And Oka see getting Chad Holmgren back.
That's a good team, a deep team, and you know,
a run for a championship would be uh, pretty good
for SGA.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yes, poem.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
How long have the Thunder been around as a thunder?
Less than twenty years?
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Right?
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Maybe seven?
Speaker 7 (37:18):
Eight?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Well, Durant spent his rookie year in Seattle.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Okay, so probably oh eight. This will be their third MVP.
Durant got one Westbrook and SGA. Yeah that's a lot
in a short wins. Pretty good, Yeah, pretty good?
Speaker 12 (37:34):
All right?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Dower rankings, Now this can be an any sport. I'm
gonna take the Lions off the list. Yeah, I have to.
They had a really bad week. You lose, then you
lose coordinators, and I would say they would be number one.
They'd have a number one seed as the Dower rankings
todd any sport Dower rank Who are you Dower on?
Speaker 9 (37:54):
I'm Dower on the Jaguars because they just seem very
lost with this latest deal. You fire the coach and
then a month later the j gone Trevor Lawrence is regressing.
Hopefully that'll change, and they just seemed like a team
that's lost and maybe they should just move to London
altogether this point.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Well, they'd still have to hire a coach. Like when
you get there, and you'd still have to.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
It's just a confused mess and they really need to
get that figured out before the draft.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Seaton, who were you dower on? He dowered on Jimmy Butler?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Oh, like dog, you had it figured out where you
were this guy that nobody believed in, and then it
is like, damn, Miami figured it out. Jimmy Butler is
the guy. How about that? That's crazy. Look at all
these people that had Jimmy Butler passed on and now
all of this nonsense.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Sure down on Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Dan Levittard, voice of Miami Sports, will join his Top
of the Hour get his thoughts on Jimmy Butler. He's
certainly trying to he's not playing, but he's certainly his
mannerisms at getting him out of Miami here.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yes, and it's crazy too. I mean he's he's made
three hundred million dollars in his career. He makes fifty
million dollars a year and it's probably not good enough.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Maybe a little more.
Speaker 9 (39:03):
God.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, it's sad to see because you know, we thought
it wasn't him. It was Minnesota wasn't him. It's Philadelphia
wasn't him. It was the bulls Now. All of a sudden,
it's not him, it's the Heat. There's one constant here,
and it's Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Marvin.
Speaker 8 (39:18):
I can't think of anybody else besides Jimmy Butler. Oh,
and I definitely think this is gonna hurt in the
long run because it's gonna be twenty years and the
Heat still won't retire his jersey. It's gonna be something
like Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys. I think it's gonna
hurt him long term.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Here's still gonna be a Hall of Famer making three
hundred million dollars. He'll be okay. Yeah, Paul Dower.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
This might be out of nowhere, but the Philadelphia seventy
six Ers the past six or seven years, they always
felt like a competitive contending team. They're fifteen and twenty seven.
I didn't even know that. I don't pay attention to
the Sixers day to day. They're borderline irrelevant and not.
It doesn't look better Max. He looked like the future
and man Dower fast.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, but they had guys who got hurt, and you
have embiid hurt. I mean that that's just a terrible situation.
Moving forward, embiid. Can't play, I mean really can't play,
can't play consistently. Then you're gonna have to pay him.
I don't know what he's there on the hook for
with that contract.
Speaker 12 (40:21):
Can't play, can't can't play, not low, can't you for three?
Speaker 8 (40:27):
Can't play?
Speaker 12 (40:27):
I was waiting for the stecred person. I can't use him.
The Clippers could use him.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's Booty, Michael Oliva, Candy, get off CATCHEQUI can't play.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
They can't play. Slap that's another one.
Speaker 12 (40:44):
Four minutes a game. That's too much.
Speaker 14 (40:50):
Can't play Jonas Valatunism there that back uh Satan update
the results.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Yeah, let's see we got two of them up there
right now. We have would you rather your team hire
an offensive coordinator or defense? And that's at about seventy
three percent with like an offensive coordinator. And then we
also have who's coaching legacy changes more with a Super
Bowl win this season? Andy Reid, Steve Spagnolo, Dan Quinn,
Sean McDermott, Nick Sirianni, Kellen Moore find out after the break.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Wow that's a team. Oh yeah, that's a tea.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Save that for Levatar and see if he's got the
guts to weigh in on that.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
No, no, we just want Levittard to weigh in on
Jimmy Butler. Nothing else. That's all two hours in the books.
One more to go on this Thursday. Todd the Minister
of Humor, seat and Marv Paulie yours Truly, we're back
after this