November 29, 2024 • 39 mins
Doug Gottlieb and Dan Beyer in for Dan and the guys as they discuss the flaws of the college football playoff structure. Doug and Dan weigh in on Tom Brady's criticism of Daniel Jones before welcoming former Bucs' GM and long-time NFL Executive Mark Dominik onto the show to discuss all the major headlines around the NFL.Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug and the crew through round two of "Price is Right".
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
I want to Dan, I want to hit you with something,
and I hope you understand this is not a I'm
not saying this directed at you. I'm saying this directed
at America. Okay, we are making the classic. We're making
two classic mistakes in this college football playoff thing. And
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I'm just telling you now, these are massive, massive mistakes
that we're doing. And I'm saying it before the college
football playoff format is a final, a bracket is eventually announced.
Here's the two things. Here's the one. And I didn't
get into it a bunch of Twitter, but people are
talking about, well, the Big twelve and the record versus
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the SEC and over the last ten years and Texas
struggling in the Big twelve and now they're in the SEC,
and like, listen, you are viewing something college sports has
dramatically changed, dramatically changed in the last five years, and
you're like, well, no, Dub like no, no, no, hold on, Okay,
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the SEC has always been in the modern last twenty
five years, it's been the best college football conference. Now
again that doesn't mean it's always had the best team,
but overall it's been the best football conference. Dan, do
you have any problem with me saying no, No, not
at all. Okay. And the reason behind it, I believe
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is uh really threefold. Okay. The first is that there's
been a migration within the United States where a lot
of people have moved to the South. It's just it
was less expensive, it's warmer. You know, there have been
more jobs there, right, Like, if you know anything about it,
between South Carolina and Alabama, they've opened you know, BMW plants,
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Mercedes plants, you know, like even the auto industry has
shifted to the South. Okay. And so we've had a
massive movement of players. So the players are there, and
college football players, college basketblay, but college fall players they
like to play close to home. So that's at least
a portion of it. The second part to it is
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the level of investment, a level of investment has been
greater in football in the SEC than it has been
in many of the other conferences, especially the Pac Twelve
and to a lesser extent, the Big Twelve, the Big Ten.
I think financially is all in. The problem is there's
not as many players there as there used to be
in Ohio, in pen Sylvania in comparison to the numbers
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in Georgia and Florida and Texas, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Okay, and then I'd say the third part
to it is the proliferation of college football combined with
the big names Nick Saban going back to college and
Alabama and raising them up, and then everything that's spread
from it. Okay, But in the last five years the
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transfer portal combined with nil which means players can leave
whenever they want at the end of a year. The
SEC has more money, spends more money, but instead of
spending it on facilities like they had the last twenty
five years, and they already have ridiculous facilities. It doesn't
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mean there aren't other places with great facilities. Due for example,
if you've ever been, I think it's the Drew Brees Center,
Like they got great facilities. What they don't have is
money left over, nor do they have players in the area.
Has players in the area. They have the facilities, and
now you can spend money on the players, and they
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have more money than everybody else. They are playing a
different sport than the one that your team is playing
in the Big Twelve, in the ACC, in the Big Ten,
and anywhere else. It's a completely different sport, just like
Ohio State, frankly is playing a different sport than everybody
else in the Big Ten. Like, don't get me wrong,
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I think they're well coached, they have great history, but
at the end of the day, they've spent more money
on their players than everybody else. And that doesn't mean
you always get it right. Like if you screw up
the quarterback position, you're kind of screwed. But in a
sport of attrition, when your two's are as good as
other people's ones and you get to late in the year,
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it's like it's not even close. So I understand you
can use the Hey, the Big Twelve had to run
there where they had all these elite quarterbacks, Those days
are over. These are over. Every once in a while,
you can find a gem, you can find a diamond.
You can get a guy in a seventh or eighth year.
You know, Utah and Oklahoma State they tried trying to
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out quarterbacks in their seventh year. This year. One barely
played or didn't play in cam Rising, the other one
one very good. With my own monited Okla mistake. But
when you have more money, you can buy better quarterbacks.
You can buy better players, and that's what the SEC has.
Look I don't know how to tell you this, but
they're just way better. And putting these others like SMU
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and Indiana in the field is a joke in terms
of not what they've accomplished in the season, but how
good they actually are, which is the goal of a selection. Mantey. Hey,
here's the other mistake that we're making, Dan, is we've
gone from You know what we should do is we've
got to make sure we include the little guy that
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was a big thing. Got to make sure you get
one of these other conferences should get a seat at
the table, which I absolutely agree with too. Now and again,
it's not gonna finish this way, but there's a world.
Boise State right now, based on the committee, would be
the number four seed. Now I think Boys. State's a
good club, might have the best running back in college football,
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almost beat Oregon at organ But if you think for
one second they're the fourth best team in the country,
you need to have your head examined because the reality
is all these people that would say, like, yeah, they
should get a buye, they should have a name one
of them that will pick them to actually win a
national championship, nobody will because we all know they can't
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win three games in a row. They could pluck somebody
off for one game, sure, but they an't win in
three games in a row. Stop it not college football,
no chance. But we're overreacting to the years and years
and years and years of the SEC and other big
conferences SEC and Big ten getting what we think of
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a special preferential treatment and getting extra teams in or
getting two teams into a four team playoff when somebody
else gets slighted. I think we're making those two mistakes.
We're judging everything today based upon the past, which is
completely different than now. And we're overreacting to the years
of the little guy getting left out by giving the
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little guy not just a seat at the table, but
a seat at the actual big boy table. Which we
all know they don't belong at.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I think about eighty five percent of what you said
about the SEC I agree with. I do believe that
the little guy belongs at the table because I think
that's what we all love. I would love to meet
the person that believes Boise State should get a first
round by, because I don't know if anybody actually believes that.
I don't know if people actually think that the ACC
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champ should get a first round by.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
To you, nobody is no chance they should. They're not good.
I mean they're not and like, look, I love Camwort's
great story, good player, right, but like they should have
been beaten like two or three times like Cal had
them to, right, So you got to go back through
their schedule, Like they're not at the level of everybody else.
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
This is the reason why I think that this is
so intriguing, Doug. It's I don't know if if it's
appropriate to say that we're in the middle of this,
We're in the eye of this, of the storm or
of college football, of this hurricane of just moving parts.
Because the reason we got to this point of where
we are right now on November twenty ninth of twenty
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twenty four is because of everything being fast tracked. And
what I mean is Oklahoma and Texas go to the
SEC go a year early. Oregon and Washington jumped to
the Big Ten, earlier than we had ever planned. We
knew USC and UCLA were cooing to the Big Ten,
we did not know that Oregon and Washington were. So
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now you have all this conference realignment with now the
Big twelve takes on this new picture, and you can't
get any of these conferences together to actually figure out
a way to set up a playoff. So now what
happens is you expand your playoff from four teams to
twelve because you had a certain select window to do
that within the previous format of your college football playoff,
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and they didn't know how to set it up. And
I'm a Big ten guy. I want the Big Ten
to do well all except Michigan like that. When it
comes down to it, that's who you're supporting in this
day and age of college sports, where the SEC is
supporting the SEC, they're looking out for what they want.
The problem is, and I think this is also what
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you're getting to is in this version of it, they
gave up too many seats because they didn't know what
was happening. And that is what is so intriguing about
what could come in the next two years when you're
trying to figure out of possible fourteen to sixteen team
playoff and you're going to assign automatic bids. This was
a whole mess to begin with. And if you would
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have said to them, the conference commissioners and everybody involved
two you years ago or a year ago and this
was all being discussed, that hey, guess what, you're gonna
have Boise State in Miami get buys while Ohio State
and Georgia and Notre Dame all have to play first
round games. You may know Notre Dame's conference situation plays
a part in that, but I think you'd have a real,
real problem with that. And that's it's all of this
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chaos is nobody knew. It's almost maybe a bit like
nil right. You have no idea what exactly was going
to transpire, and now you've come out with this, and
it's a product that is served serving the wrong people.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
That's for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's a it is it is a mess. It is
a mess.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
My other my problem, Doug, is the rankings come out
on came out on Tuesday, and you know this from
your basketball days. The basketball selection committee will take their
bracket granted more teams, but when you have sixty eight teams,
you have to you have to move teams off of
seed lines because of possible conference matchups, head to head stuff,
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other funk deals. You don't get a true one through
sixty eight bracket because you need to move teams around.
In this scenario here, what is being displayed on Tuesday
when they tell us to watch the College Football and
Ranking Show, they just show the rankings. They don't show
the bracket. So what happens is we take the rankings
and then we put them into the bracket and we
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find out, Wait, Indiana's going to play Penn State in
the first round, Tennessee and Georgia are going to play again.
That's not good for college football. So what is the
what is the reason to have this process of revealing
the rankings when the rankings are actually there to just
set up the bracket. You don't set up a bracket.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, the other the other part too, it is okay,
we're essentially penalizing teams for playing their college football, playing
in their conference championship game, like, and this has always
been an issue.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yes, we think that could happen.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, I don't mean necessarily punishment. And here's what I mean.
One of the big issues with expanding to a college
fall playoff. And you and I have talked about this
at length, and people want to call bs that's fine,
but a legit part of the discussion is like, sixteen
games a lot of games on kids, it's a lot
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a lot of games. And you're like, well, well the
people don't care, like now they actually do care, and
whether they care because they won't be standing by the
end of sixteen games. Well, like, that's what we're gonna do.
You know, Ohio State loses in the in the Big
Ten championship game, then in order for them to win
a national championship, they have to play sixteen games, all right,
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sixteen games? So what like again, what are we doing here?
Like none of this makes any sort of sense. And
if you if you think, like well Doug Gottlieb's sec guy,
I'm not. I'm a I'm it's the reality. Perfect example
is we played Ohio State in basketball Monday night, and like, look,
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I would say, Ohio State, I don't know their financials.
My guess is they're a three to four and a
half million dollar team. Okay, that is that is a
lot more than that we have in our kitty. Right,
And again you look at look at the SEC basketball rankings,
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look at how well they're doing. They got well, Auburn's doing,
Kentucky's don't know, Arkansas lost a little bit. They're starting
to kind of figure it out. And Texas like why
are they so much better because they they have better players?
Like what are we doing? And so in football, where
it really is again, a quarterback in many ways can
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stabilize that. And I think that's what happened with the
Pac twelve last year is you just had you had
good invested programs, but you had all of those you
had star quarterbacks. You know, I mean at Oregon and Washington.
Why were they better because they had fifth year star
quarterbacks that were NFL guys. And that can that can
sort of neutralize the athletic advantage on some level that
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you're seeing when you play SEC teams, although they didn't
really play SEC teams, buy and large, those are the
best teams. And so in addition to putting them on
a weird seed, line where they got to play an
additional game and putting what everyone knows to be an
inferior team in terms of overall talent doesn't mean they
haven't had a great accomplishment. Like the accomplishment should get
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you in the field, but get you a bye and
even get you a home game is like what, like
that's yeah, I don't see it. And again you can
say it's unfair to judge Indiana based upon the outcome
of one game, but that's what's happened based upon their schedule.
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All we have to judge them on. They played one
quality opponent all year and literally could not move the
ball via the air. Couldn't. Couldn't. Now you can say, hey,
it's their special teams, like okay, but again, even that
is part of the difference in the levels of play,
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Like it's a great way to because like you don't
have your ones on special teams, right, you usually have
younger guys on special teams. Well, when you're at a house,
when you're at ohiose State, like your your twos, your
special you can pay for special teams guys, Whereas when
you're at Indiana and you're like, where are we going
to save money, like you save money on your depth
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and that's just a reality to it. But we judge. Yeah,
it's unfair to judge. I saw people who are writers
who I respect because they love college football. At the
end of the first half, like Indiana, put them in.
Put them in. They're down fourteen to seven, Like what,
they had a nice opening drive and they haven't done
anything since. In the one game that they've played, they've
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literally beaten the the bottom, completing the cycle with Purdue
this week, and that's gonna be enough to put them
in the field. Like what, No one thinks they're a
top twelve team. They're a great story, coaches got swag,
but if you have to bet your salary on who's
gonna win, they wouldn't be one of the top you know,
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six or what is it eight at large teams not close.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
What's gonna be interesting is if Texas A and M
beats Texas, how that ends up falling because A and
M and the go to the SEC championship game and
his an M's resume strong enough, do they make a leap.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I'll just say.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
This, this is why the SEC in the Big Ten
wanted first round bys in what is the future bracket
and all of the wrongs of this year and possibly
next year's format will be set up. And one quick
point to make. Because Tulane lost last night to Memphis,
Tulane was on the verge of possibly overtaking the Big
Twelve champ to represent a conference champion. In the top
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five conference champions, you get at a scenario where tu
Lane would have been higher than Arizona State or anybody else,
and the Big Twelve could have been shut out of
the twelve team playoff. Maybe not likely, but possibly so. Now,
when you're the Big twelve and the SEC and the
Big Ten are saying you, guys get two automatic bids,
but you don't get first round bys, you now take
that in a heartbeat if you expand to fourteen teams,
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because otherwise you're in the verge of possibly being shut
out completely. Considering how strong we think the SEC and
the Big Ten are.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I will get to all the rivalry games that do
have implications in the upcoming college fall playoff throughout the show.
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Tom Brady had an issue with Daniel Jones. What is
that issue? We'll discuss it next.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
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Speaker 6 (18:00):
It's radio.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Obviously, Tom Brady was on the call yesterday of the
Giants Cowboys game, right that was the big America's what
do we call it, America's football game, America's I forget
America's game where he's on the Cowboys Giants call and Dan,
I don't know if you heard this, okay, but this
was Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to
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be released by the Giants.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you is maybe
different than I would have handled that. I always felt
I wanted to get the trust and respect of my teammates,
regardless situation, knowing that I was trying to do the
best I picked for the team because that was the
most important thing.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
There were just some different things.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
That happened in the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices,
and I think we're all at points in our career
face different challenges.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I faced them in college and some things didn't go
the way I want.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
But the people that mattered most of me were the
guys in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I showed up every day.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I don't care if they asked me.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
To be Scout team safety, the Scout team quarterback.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
I was gonna do whatever I could to help the
team in right.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, so Tom Brady like, it sounds great to say, Right,
It's like, man, I would have showed up no matter
what I would have been Scout team safety. The problem
with it is it's so far from the reality where
Daniel Jones actually offered up to be the Scout team safety.
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The problem is that the way in which these contracts
are constructed, and we'll have Mark Dominic in a second, Dan,
but you know this is they can't the Giants can't
put him out there even for practice, for risk of injury,
because if he gets hurt even at practice, well then
they owe him even more money. Right, that contract is
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already in albatross. It gets even worse.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
There's there's a lot to it, and I also look
at as just as Brady trying to make the transition
as a broadcaster and Mike Florio often frequent guest with
the Dan Patrick Obviously on The Dan Patrick Show, Florio
pointed out that this is your job as an analyst
to do this sort of thing to get that information.
I understand that you're coming from the player's perspective, but
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I think a simple conversation, which was Florio's point, would
have solved this whole riddle for Tom Brady instead to
give his perspective the way that he did.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
It's really interesting because I would I would say that
if I had my analysis of his analysis generally is
he's been he's been way over prepared and he has
he's got to do games for a couple of years
and you know, in order to truly get comfortable and
just find his voice. But in this particular case, it
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felt like Tom Brady was It was like his Ted talk.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It was like one of those Instagram reels on Tom
Brady that has made him very popular, which is like
I would have showed up to work no matter what,
no matter what, Like, yeah, dude, all you got to
do is make a call, You're Tom Brady going to
pick up the phone, and they would have said, like, hey,
look he wanted to go there, but they don't want
him around, okay, because he can't participate if he gets hurt,
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costs us more money. Like he actually did a solid
by the team by removing himself from the situation. All right,
more on that to come. Let's welcome in. Mark Dominic,
of course, was a former gentle manager of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. By the way, he joins us weekly on
the Doug Gotlib Show. You should check out those hits.
Just download the Doug Gotlib Show podcast. Mark, am I am?
I wrong that, like Tom Brady said, it's one of
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those like grand standing get applause from people. Tom would
show up to work no matter what when the reality
is that it's better for everybody if you decide to
move on from Daniel Jones to not have him around
the organization.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Mor than guys, And yeah, I agree. I hope you
guys had a good Thanksgiving and hopefully enjoyed the games.
But I agree with you guys. I mean, it's pretty
standard and Tom was never in this kind of position right,
not where his contract is just overbearing and the reality
is the organizations moving on and walking away, and so
therefore he can't see it from that lens. But he
could have been better prepared for that comment. I'm sure
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he faced a little bit of backlash today, has deserved.
But no, this is a decision made around the table
with the agent, player club, et cetera, all deciding that
that's the best interest. And I don't disagree that, you know,
he shouldn't be there. I am sure that with the
injuries that it looks like, well he could have played,
they would have still gone three lock. And so it
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is what it is.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Is it simple enough, since we're talking about Daniel Jones
that the Vikings make this move just basically just for
insurance purposes for the rest of the season, because it
seems like they have a future. What do you think
was going through the mind of Quasio Delpha Menza making
that signing for Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, I think I think they're just kind of looking
at all things. I think they're kind of looking at
from a perspective of not sure where their quarterback is
in terms of health, knowing that more than likely Sam
Darnold's gonna find it different home in twenty twenty five,
and therefore we can already be protected with the backup
quarterback and get to see him and let our coaches
get to feel him, understand him, and see what ticks,
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and let our coaches have a little play with him.
We've seen what they've done with san Donold and be
making Minnesota relevant in twenty twenty four, and I think
that they're trying to say, hey, let's kick the tires
on this one. So I think it's a longer term move,
depending on if Daniel Jones likes the environments as much
as maybe they like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I would also say, Mark, you tell me if I'm wrong. Okay,
there's something in basketball. You have basketball families, footballs you
have football families. I think it's brilliant from Daniel Jones
and his agent in that they don't really have a
connection to the Shanahan Tree and knowing that system, the verbiage,
how everything works, and this gives Daniel Jones, you know,
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the next couple of months to learn the system, which
doesn't mean it works in Minnesota. But if you look
throughout the league, Kevin O'Connell has connections with everybody else.
It puts seeming in a completely different football family and
gives them an opportunity because that's what you do, right
Like when you have a new coach, you're bringing a
guy who knows the system, whether starter or backup. And
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I think it's a brilliant move from that perspective. Could
that be what the agent's thinking.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Oh, I think absolutely. I think you know, you're looking
at what's the best confiense right now in the NFL,
who's having the most success. You're thinking of those situations.
You're thinking, who's you know, who's been able to resurrect
careers or create careers. You're thinking of that situation. So
it makes a ton of sense. And again on the
practice squad or anything like that, you're not married to
anything as you're getting a jutes, so right now you're
as much getting dated as you're trying to date. And
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so I think in that spot, it really works well
for him to see if he enjoys the system, enjoys
the coaching and the environment, or is this just a
quick stop, you know, learning more and then finding a
different place in twenty twenty five win free or when
the end of the season hits and you decide if
you're going sign a practice squad guys back or not.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show.
We're obviously going to talk about Maddieberfluss in the bank.
He said today he's met with Ryan Poles, is met
with Kevin Warren. We'll have a meeting later on what
do you say one of the questions you're asking your
head coach after that end of game debacle yesterday in.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Detroit, Well, I have a hard time. You know, they
complete that pass without the face in the hands of
the face and they're at the thirteen yard line and
they have to win. Instead, they do get the penalty,
so it's a twenty two yard penalty in theory, and
then they turn around and get sacked. I feel like
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someone and it shows you that the lack of I
guess maturity on Caleb Williams to not understand that this
is a moment where you can't just wait for the call.
You either got to tick the timeout, throw a ball
to get yourself a builgal position or something on the sideline.
Should be taking the time out to me that I'm
Ryan Poles. I'm trying to understand why did we just
burn the timeout? I know you know, we would have
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to get the ball you know, spiked, or we had
to throw it to the sidelines. But how do we
let the clock expire? And to me, that's a big question.
And as a GM, I don't ask that question last
night and ask him this morning. It's too emotional last night.
It's going to be hard to get the right answer.
It's going to add a know, this morning, you walk
in with your head coach and he said, let's go
through the chain of events and how that played out
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last night and talk to me about what you have seen.
I think matthe Eberflus makes it through this weekend. I
know he's very confident that he'll make it through the weekend.
I just don't know if it's really because the Bears
have been playing a little better, and certainly the second
half was shocking for them to make it come back.
This game should have been, you know, out the door
in the first half. Obviously by the way the Lions
just kind of blundered in the red zone. But I
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think you hold on to Matthew Riflus for at least
the other week or two and you are going through
the process, you know, and Ryan pulls me not know
what's going on, and he might be part of those,
you know, the sweeping So you know, to ask your
Jim and manager what's going on may not be the
best question, but I think you'll hold onto everything for
a week or two more. But behind the scenes, as
as you know.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Kevin Warren, Mark, Mark, how do you not fire somebody again?
And if it was just this game, okay, but they're
lining up to beat the Green Bay Packers who have
owned them for the better part of a decade, and
the guy sits on a forty six yard field goal
that gets blocked. Again, not his fault that the trajectory
(27:16):
was so low or that the blocking was bad. It's like,
not technically his fault, but this is not the first
And then you go to the commander's game again, not
necessarily his fault that he's got a cornerback who's who's
dancing and celebrating while the ball is already snapped, but
it is that like that's his football team, Like how
do you continue? And I'm again Mark, you know, I'm
(27:39):
a coach, I'm actually sensitive this thing, but how do
you not fire somebody today?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
I just think where you at in the season and
change to take a change of where you sit as
an organization isn't really going to change the outcome. I mean,
you gotta look at your own staff and say, who
would I want to be the head coach and why.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
And what maybe maybe not maybe not that coach, just
like somebody's literally got to get like, somebody has to
get there has to be some level of accountability that
isn't there, or you're just like, hey, he's gonna get
fired anyway, let's just like let him play out the string.
I don't know, Well, it's like.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
This, you know, and as you said, and you know,
and and I don't think that he won't get fired.
I just don't think they'll do it right now that
they might. But you talked about the three situations, and
one was on offense, one was on defense, one was
on special teams. Now that allso points back to it's
the team not coming together. But they're also in a
position to beat the camp commanders, in a position to
possibly beat the lines, in position to possibly beat the
(28:36):
you know, the packers. So you got to look at
from like we're right on the cusp of maybe things
are starting to turn, even though we're screwing up and
losing these games. It's not like we're getting thraddled or
beat bad like we've seen some other teams. And so
I think that's the only reason they're holding on. But
I think change things it's going to happen. I don't
think that's I think that's inevitable. I just don't know
(28:56):
if you just have to do it just to make
a point to whom as there to stay.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Can I get one more on this Bear's thing, because
and I said this to Doug earlier, Mark, and I
said it yesterday when it happened. I don't understand how
in this day, in the age of the NFL, you
have a kicker that can't kick on fifty eight yards indoors?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I mean, we see guys now trying sixty four yard
field goals. The longest field goal in NFL history happened
in that stadium yesterday. And to me, that's a that's
that's the Bears telling on themselves that they don't even
have a good enough kicker, that they, by the way,
wanted to settle for a forty six yard or two
weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Like, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
No, And I don't disagree. I think we've seen certainly
a change in the evolution of kickers. It's easy to
make fifty yarders, and it does say something that you
have no confidence that you can make the big kick
in the big moment, especially when time running out and
the odds of you you know they're not going to
convert a first down. I hated the end of the game,
like I was nonnous. I was like, there's no way
they're going to lose this game, at least to go
(30:00):
into overtime and see if they somehow come pull off
this miracle upset. But the Bears did a Bears thing,
and I know that that goes back to Doug. What
you're saying is somebody's got heads got a roll. I just,
you know, no one, not knowing the McCaskey family, but
just knowing the overall run with Kevin Warren. I just
think that they're probably like, we fire him, Maybe we
don't want to win more games, Maybe weren't a position
(30:22):
where we're comfortable for our draft pick is right now,
even though it's not ideal that we're not in a
bad spot based off of meeting that first round pick
going forward.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No, that's listen. That's the only that's I told Jason Stewart,
our producer, like, that's the only viable explanation that I
would actually go like, okay, that makes it make it
look so such like such a mess, like oh my god,
I can't believe we lost this game. And then then
you go in the locker, I'm like, dude, we lost
that game. We keep our draft pick. That's the only
thing that could that could get you out of jail free.
(30:50):
It was was I'm with you, I'm watching with my coaches,
and we're we just finished Thanksgiving dinner, and we were
all like, oh, okay, what do we have to prepare
for that we have not because this looks terrible. It
just looked I cannot believe how that game ended. Mark
Dominic joining us here on The Dan Patrick Show with
(31:12):
Dan Byram. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and Dan
nets Do the Dolphins have a cold weather problem or
a tua problem?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
I want to lean towards more of a cold weather
you know, obviously a very tough game for them as well,
where you know, they had a chance to kind of
close the game out in Lambeau, but they couldn't I
got to give credit and Jeff Hapley, the defensive coordinator.
They did a good job of making it difficult onto
it and you know, being able to stuff them in
the red zone and then turn around and gets pressures
(31:44):
and sacks. I think that Jeff Hapley has done a
really good job with that defense for the most part.
And then you know, I think it's more again it's
it's not. I think two is in a good spot.
I think he's going to be okay as long as
he stays healthy. I don't think some Dolphins are sting
to going. We got to get a different quarterback. I
think it was more just I think you got to
give credit to the defensive side of just Half as
the coordinator.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It was it was a It was a dominating performance.
No interceptions from from Jordan Love, which is the first
this year, and the the Packers look like they're playing
their best best football. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, Mark.
We love talking football with you. Enjoy your Black Friday sports,
and we'll talk to you next week. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
I'm very curious to see what Aidan O'Connell does today
for the Raiders than the whole season will be waiting
to see if he's any good. It doesn't really matter
so much, but it does to the raiders brass to
see if you can do anything against his chiefs today.
So it'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It will be fun to watch. He's Mark Dominique joins
this weekly on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Also here on
Fox Sports Rader. Coming up next, He's Dan Byrom Doug
Gottliebin for Dan and the Dan Nets. Is the price
right or wrong? That's next.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
In the meantime, Uh, let's play a little prices right
with the Dan Byer Dan.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, Doug. Round two here on the Dan Patrick Show today.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Some great items up for bids. Earlier in the in
the show, we had a ray show Gun aka Raygun
Hologram trading card valued at six dollars. He went to
Chris Purffett, I believe for three dollars. A great bid
by Chris Purfett. He met eber Flus autographed helmet mini
(33:27):
helmet valued at one hundred and twenty four dollars in
ninety nine cents, went to Jason Stewart's for a mere
forty nine ninety nine, and then that La Times from
nineteen ninety eight that was highlighting the Wooden Classic with
Doug Gottlieb on the cover. Went to Doug Gottlieb. He
bid one dollar, brought it home for eight dollars and
(33:48):
thirty three cents. So everybody has come home a winner
so far in the price is right. Let's see how
we do with round number two, the first item up
for bids.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Boys, she been the story.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I would imagine at some point in the next week
or so, we're gonna find out that Caitlyn Clark is
gonna be the Sportsperson of the Year for Sports Illustrated.
How great would it be to have a Caitlin Clark
acrylic Christmas ornament with her in an Indian on a
fever uniform.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Well, it can be yours if you go to eBay
right now.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
But instead we're gonna bid on this item here on
the Dan Patrick Show with Doug Gottlieb and the rest
of us. All right, Doug, your first up, your first
bid on the Caitlin Clark a crylic Christmas ornament featuring
her in a fever uniform.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
This is an actor listing on eBay.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Twenty nine ninety nine.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
All right, Jason Stewarts, I'm gonna say this knowing that
there's a certain segment of our listening audience right now
who's yelling at the radio?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Oh, why isn't Angel Reese on that ornament? What was
Doug's bid?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Doug bid twenty nine ninety nine, thirty dollars, thirty dollars,
Jason Stewart playing the game, Chris Perfett, your final bid?
Speaker 10 (35:19):
I do ornaments really cost thirty dollars? Hey, maybe don't
have to be like, yeah, no, I'm gonna go lower.
I'm gonna I'm gonna go I don't know, sixty eighteen dollars,
eighteen dollars all right? Oh, you guys all overbid, you
all overbid. Yes, you're gonna have to rebid. Sixteen dollars
(35:40):
was the lowest bid. Doug got your bid.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Again, nine ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Okay, Jason Stewart. Ten dollars, ten dollars. All right, Chris Perfett,
I'll go a little bit higher.
Speaker 10 (35:53):
I gotta think it's in between twelve dollars twelve dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Why would you never mind?
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's all right? We have a perfect bid. We have
a perfect.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Bid here on the Dan Patrick Show, Prices right version,
and it was the person who bid nine to ninety nine,
Doug gottlieb to hit it right on the head. Doug,
just reach into my pocket, grab that nice one hundred
dollars bill.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
It's not a one hundred dollar bill, Doug, go ahead,
grab it.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You got the perfect bid nine ninety nine for a
Kitlyn Clark, A Crik Christmas Sandy.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Academy and all the people who made this possible.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
All right.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
There had been some controversy, not only with Angel Reyese,
but here on Fox Sports Radio on who has been
more popular, Kitlyn Clark or Aaron Judge. Well, guys up
for bids now. A Top's Garbage Pale Kids card one
of ninety nine foil card ungraded Aaron Judge aka Aaron Apple,
(37:00):
Aaron Apple, not Arson Judge, Which would have would have
been great. That would have been a great garbage pail kid.
Jason Stewart, your bid for the Tops Garbage Pail Kids,
Aaron Apple, Aaron Judge, one of ninety nine foil card.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
Just let the record reflect that I was a penny
off of the last one. One penny lost, but.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You overbid too.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
You know who cares?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
I don't remember that part.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Do you know what cares?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
No nobody?
Speaker 9 (37:29):
Twenty four twenty four ninety nine garbage pail kid of
Arson Apple.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Judge Perfet, Were you a garbage pail collector? By any means?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
It was not?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Sorry, how's your bid again?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Jason's too young?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Twenty four.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
Nine.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I'm gonna go twenty eight dollars.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Twenty eight Doug? Were you a collector?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I was. I was a collector. I had a ton
of garbage rail kits, and I grew up for people
who don't know in in the El Medina area of
the city of Orange bodyo. Olmedina was a butted our area,
and so there's a little liquor store in there. I'd
walk up blocks in there, and in that area, nobody
bought the garbage pail kid except for me. So I
(38:09):
love the garage boil kids. Profet's bid was what twenty
twenty eight bucks? I'll do one dollar, all right?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So the actual retail price of this Aaron Apple garbage
pail kid price is forty dollars, Chris Prefet, it is yours, Elliot.
You get it for twenty eight bucks. Alright, it's deja
vu all over again. And our final bid, our final
item up for bids. A year ago we found out
that Doug's twenty twenty three NBA CON lanyard that was
(38:38):
autographed was up for sale. No one has bought it
within the last year. Chris Purfett, your first bid for
Doug gottlieb autographed lanyard.
Speaker 10 (38:47):
An autographed lanyard, your autographing lanyards, Doug.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Somebody asked me to sign it, and then they went
the way tell it.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Doug's garbage pail kid would be Hound Doug, Hounddug.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I looked it up, Hound Doug. I okay, I'm want
to go.
Speaker 10 (39:00):
So it's a lanyard like lanyards, I'm gonna go nine
ninety nine.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
All right, Doug for your.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
On autograph, we'll go ten.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Dollars ten bucks.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
Jason Stewart, Wow, I'm gonna go nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Nineteen ninety nine. And the actual retail price I'm eBay
right now. Doug's autograph nine twenty twenty three NBA con
autograph lanyard is twenty nine ninety nine. Jason Stewart's yes
in Doug's lanyard at the great price of nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Nobody's actually purchased it, so you could probably get it
for one dollar. Think of it that right, did you.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
I want to Dan, I want to hit you with something,
and I hope you understand this is not a I'm
not saying this directed at you. I'm saying this directed
at America. Okay, we are making the classic. We're making
two classic mistakes in this college football playoff thing. And
(00:44):
I'm just telling you now, these are massive, massive mistakes
that we're doing. And I'm saying it before the college
football playoff format is a final, a bracket is eventually announced.
Here's the two things. Here's the one. And I didn't
get into it a bunch of Twitter, but people are
talking about, well, the Big twelve and the record versus
(01:05):
the SEC and over the last ten years and Texas
struggling in the Big twelve and now they're in the SEC,
and like, listen, you are viewing something college sports has
dramatically changed, dramatically changed in the last five years, and
you're like, well, no, Dub like no, no, no, hold on, Okay,
(01:29):
the SEC has always been in the modern last twenty
five years, it's been the best college football conference. Now
again that doesn't mean it's always had the best team,
but overall it's been the best football conference. Dan, do
you have any problem with me saying no, No, not
at all. Okay. And the reason behind it, I believe
(01:52):
is uh really threefold. Okay. The first is that there's
been a migration within the United States where a lot
of people have moved to the South. It's just it
was less expensive, it's warmer. You know, there have been
more jobs there, right, Like, if you know anything about it,
between South Carolina and Alabama, they've opened you know, BMW plants,
(02:16):
Mercedes plants, you know, like even the auto industry has
shifted to the South. Okay. And so we've had a
massive movement of players. So the players are there, and
college football players, college basketblay, but college fall players they
like to play close to home. So that's at least
a portion of it. The second part to it is
(02:39):
the level of investment, a level of investment has been
greater in football in the SEC than it has been
in many of the other conferences, especially the Pac Twelve
and to a lesser extent, the Big Twelve, the Big Ten.
I think financially is all in. The problem is there's
not as many players there as there used to be
in Ohio, in pen Sylvania in comparison to the numbers
(03:03):
in Georgia and Florida and Texas, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Okay, and then I'd say the third part
to it is the proliferation of college football combined with
the big names Nick Saban going back to college and
Alabama and raising them up, and then everything that's spread
from it. Okay, But in the last five years the
(03:25):
transfer portal combined with nil which means players can leave
whenever they want at the end of a year. The
SEC has more money, spends more money, but instead of
spending it on facilities like they had the last twenty
five years, and they already have ridiculous facilities. It doesn't
(03:46):
mean there aren't other places with great facilities. Due for example,
if you've ever been, I think it's the Drew Brees Center,
Like they got great facilities. What they don't have is
money left over, nor do they have players in the area.
Has players in the area. They have the facilities, and
now you can spend money on the players, and they
(04:06):
have more money than everybody else. They are playing a
different sport than the one that your team is playing
in the Big Twelve, in the ACC, in the Big Ten,
and anywhere else. It's a completely different sport, just like
Ohio State, frankly is playing a different sport than everybody
else in the Big Ten. Like, don't get me wrong,
(04:27):
I think they're well coached, they have great history, but
at the end of the day, they've spent more money
on their players than everybody else. And that doesn't mean
you always get it right. Like if you screw up
the quarterback position, you're kind of screwed. But in a
sport of attrition, when your two's are as good as
other people's ones and you get to late in the year,
(04:47):
it's like it's not even close. So I understand you
can use the Hey, the Big Twelve had to run
there where they had all these elite quarterbacks, Those days
are over. These are over. Every once in a while,
you can find a gem, you can find a diamond.
You can get a guy in a seventh or eighth year.
You know, Utah and Oklahoma State they tried trying to
(05:09):
out quarterbacks in their seventh year. This year. One barely
played or didn't play in cam Rising, the other one
one very good. With my own monited Okla mistake. But
when you have more money, you can buy better quarterbacks.
You can buy better players, and that's what the SEC has.
Look I don't know how to tell you this, but
they're just way better. And putting these others like SMU
(05:33):
and Indiana in the field is a joke in terms
of not what they've accomplished in the season, but how
good they actually are, which is the goal of a selection. Mantey. Hey,
here's the other mistake that we're making, Dan, is we've
gone from You know what we should do is we've
got to make sure we include the little guy that
(05:55):
was a big thing. Got to make sure you get
one of these other conferences should get a seat at
the table, which I absolutely agree with too. Now and again,
it's not gonna finish this way, but there's a world.
Boise State right now, based on the committee, would be
the number four seed. Now I think Boys. State's a
good club, might have the best running back in college football,
(06:15):
almost beat Oregon at organ But if you think for
one second they're the fourth best team in the country,
you need to have your head examined because the reality
is all these people that would say, like, yeah, they
should get a buye, they should have a name one
of them that will pick them to actually win a
national championship, nobody will because we all know they can't
(06:37):
win three games in a row. They could pluck somebody
off for one game, sure, but they an't win in
three games in a row. Stop it not college football,
no chance. But we're overreacting to the years and years
and years and years of the SEC and other big
conferences SEC and Big ten getting what we think of
(06:58):
a special preferential treatment and getting extra teams in or
getting two teams into a four team playoff when somebody
else gets slighted. I think we're making those two mistakes.
We're judging everything today based upon the past, which is
completely different than now. And we're overreacting to the years
of the little guy getting left out by giving the
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little guy not just a seat at the table, but
a seat at the actual big boy table. Which we
all know they don't belong at.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I think about eighty five percent of what you said
about the SEC I agree with. I do believe that
the little guy belongs at the table because I think
that's what we all love. I would love to meet
the person that believes Boise State should get a first
round by, because I don't know if anybody actually believes that.
I don't know if people actually think that the ACC
(07:46):
champ should get a first round by.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
To you, nobody is no chance they should. They're not good.
I mean they're not and like, look, I love Camwort's
great story, good player, right, but like they should have
been beaten like two or three times like Cal had
them to, right, So you got to go back through
their schedule, Like they're not at the level of everybody else.
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
This is the reason why I think that this is
so intriguing, Doug. It's I don't know if if it's
appropriate to say that we're in the middle of this,
We're in the eye of this, of the storm or
of college football, of this hurricane of just moving parts.
Because the reason we got to this point of where
we are right now on November twenty ninth of twenty
(08:27):
twenty four is because of everything being fast tracked. And
what I mean is Oklahoma and Texas go to the
SEC go a year early. Oregon and Washington jumped to
the Big Ten, earlier than we had ever planned. We
knew USC and UCLA were cooing to the Big Ten,
we did not know that Oregon and Washington were. So
(08:50):
now you have all this conference realignment with now the
Big twelve takes on this new picture, and you can't
get any of these conferences together to actually figure out
a way to set up a playoff. So now what
happens is you expand your playoff from four teams to
twelve because you had a certain select window to do
that within the previous format of your college football playoff,
(09:13):
and they didn't know how to set it up. And
I'm a Big ten guy. I want the Big Ten
to do well all except Michigan like that. When it
comes down to it, that's who you're supporting in this
day and age of college sports, where the SEC is
supporting the SEC, they're looking out for what they want.
The problem is, and I think this is also what
(09:34):
you're getting to is in this version of it, they
gave up too many seats because they didn't know what
was happening. And that is what is so intriguing about
what could come in the next two years when you're
trying to figure out of possible fourteen to sixteen team
playoff and you're going to assign automatic bids. This was
a whole mess to begin with. And if you would
(09:55):
have said to them, the conference commissioners and everybody involved
two you years ago or a year ago and this
was all being discussed, that hey, guess what, you're gonna
have Boise State in Miami get buys while Ohio State
and Georgia and Notre Dame all have to play first
round games. You may know Notre Dame's conference situation plays
a part in that, but I think you'd have a real,
real problem with that. And that's it's all of this
(10:18):
chaos is nobody knew. It's almost maybe a bit like
nil right. You have no idea what exactly was going
to transpire, and now you've come out with this, and
it's a product that is served serving the wrong people.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
That's for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's a it is it is a mess. It is
a mess.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
My other my problem, Doug, is the rankings come out
on came out on Tuesday, and you know this from
your basketball days. The basketball selection committee will take their
bracket granted more teams, but when you have sixty eight teams,
you have to you have to move teams off of
seed lines because of possible conference matchups, head to head stuff,
(10:59):
other funk deals. You don't get a true one through
sixty eight bracket because you need to move teams around.
In this scenario here, what is being displayed on Tuesday
when they tell us to watch the College Football and
Ranking Show, they just show the rankings. They don't show
the bracket. So what happens is we take the rankings
and then we put them into the bracket and we
(11:20):
find out, Wait, Indiana's going to play Penn State in
the first round, Tennessee and Georgia are going to play again.
That's not good for college football. So what is the
what is the reason to have this process of revealing
the rankings when the rankings are actually there to just
set up the bracket. You don't set up a bracket.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, the other the other part too, it is okay,
we're essentially penalizing teams for playing their college football, playing
in their conference championship game, like, and this has always
been an issue.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yes, we think that could happen.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, I don't mean necessarily punishment. And here's what I mean.
One of the big issues with expanding to a college
fall playoff. And you and I have talked about this
at length, and people want to call bs that's fine,
but a legit part of the discussion is like, sixteen
games a lot of games on kids, it's a lot
(12:17):
a lot of games. And you're like, well, well the
people don't care, like now they actually do care, and
whether they care because they won't be standing by the
end of sixteen games. Well, like, that's what we're gonna do.
You know, Ohio State loses in the in the Big
Ten championship game, then in order for them to win
a national championship, they have to play sixteen games, all right,
(12:39):
sixteen games? So what like again, what are we doing here?
Like none of this makes any sort of sense. And
if you if you think, like well Doug Gottlieb's sec guy,
I'm not. I'm a I'm it's the reality. Perfect example
is we played Ohio State in basketball Monday night, and like, look,
(13:02):
I would say, Ohio State, I don't know their financials.
My guess is they're a three to four and a
half million dollar team. Okay, that is that is a
lot more than that we have in our kitty. Right,
And again you look at look at the SEC basketball rankings,
(13:22):
look at how well they're doing. They got well, Auburn's doing,
Kentucky's don't know, Arkansas lost a little bit. They're starting
to kind of figure it out. And Texas like why
are they so much better because they they have better players?
Like what are we doing? And so in football, where
it really is again, a quarterback in many ways can
(13:42):
stabilize that. And I think that's what happened with the
Pac twelve last year is you just had you had
good invested programs, but you had all of those you
had star quarterbacks. You know, I mean at Oregon and Washington.
Why were they better because they had fifth year star
quarterbacks that were NFL guys. And that can that can
sort of neutralize the athletic advantage on some level that
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you're seeing when you play SEC teams, although they didn't
really play SEC teams, buy and large, those are the
best teams. And so in addition to putting them on
a weird seed, line where they got to play an
additional game and putting what everyone knows to be an
inferior team in terms of overall talent doesn't mean they
haven't had a great accomplishment. Like the accomplishment should get
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you in the field, but get you a bye and
even get you a home game is like what, like
that's yeah, I don't see it. And again you can
say it's unfair to judge Indiana based upon the outcome
of one game, but that's what's happened based upon their schedule.
(14:47):
All we have to judge them on. They played one
quality opponent all year and literally could not move the
ball via the air. Couldn't. Couldn't. Now you can say, hey,
it's their special teams, like okay, but again, even that
is part of the difference in the levels of play,
(15:08):
Like it's a great way to because like you don't
have your ones on special teams, right, you usually have
younger guys on special teams. Well, when you're at a house,
when you're at ohiose State, like your your twos, your
special you can pay for special teams guys, Whereas when
you're at Indiana and you're like, where are we going
to save money, like you save money on your depth
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and that's just a reality to it. But we judge. Yeah,
it's unfair to judge. I saw people who are writers
who I respect because they love college football. At the
end of the first half, like Indiana, put them in.
Put them in. They're down fourteen to seven, Like what,
they had a nice opening drive and they haven't done
anything since. In the one game that they've played, they've
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literally beaten the the bottom, completing the cycle with Purdue
this week, and that's gonna be enough to put them
in the field. Like what, No one thinks they're a
top twelve team. They're a great story, coaches got swag,
but if you have to bet your salary on who's
gonna win, they wouldn't be one of the top you know,
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six or what is it eight at large teams not close.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
What's gonna be interesting is if Texas A and M
beats Texas, how that ends up falling because A and
M and the go to the SEC championship game and
his an M's resume strong enough, do they make a leap.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I'll just say.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
This, this is why the SEC in the Big Ten
wanted first round bys in what is the future bracket
and all of the wrongs of this year and possibly
next year's format will be set up. And one quick
point to make. Because Tulane lost last night to Memphis,
Tulane was on the verge of possibly overtaking the Big
Twelve champ to represent a conference champion. In the top
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five conference champions, you get at a scenario where tu
Lane would have been higher than Arizona State or anybody else,
and the Big Twelve could have been shut out of
the twelve team playoff. Maybe not likely, but possibly so. Now,
when you're the Big twelve and the SEC and the
Big Ten are saying you, guys get two automatic bids,
but you don't get first round bys, you now take
that in a heartbeat if you expand to fourteen teams,
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because otherwise you're in the verge of possibly being shut
out completely. Considering how strong we think the SEC and
the Big Ten are.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I will get to all the rivalry games that do
have implications in the upcoming college fall playoff throughout the show.
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(17:50):
Tom Brady had an issue with Daniel Jones. What is
that issue? We'll discuss it next.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
It's radio.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Obviously, Tom Brady was on the call yesterday of the
Giants Cowboys game, right that was the big America's what
do we call it, America's football game, America's I forget
America's game where he's on the Cowboys Giants call and Dan,
I don't know if you heard this, okay, but this
was Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to
(18:26):
be released by the Giants.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you is maybe
different than I would have handled that. I always felt
I wanted to get the trust and respect of my teammates,
regardless situation, knowing that I was trying to do the
best I picked for the team because that was the
most important thing.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
There were just some different things.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
That happened in the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices,
and I think we're all at points in our career
face different challenges.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I faced them in college and some things didn't go
the way I want.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
But the people that mattered most of me were the
guys in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I showed up every day.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I don't care if they asked me.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
To be Scout team safety, the Scout team quarterback.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
I was gonna do whatever I could to help the
team in right.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, so Tom Brady like, it sounds great to say, Right,
It's like, man, I would have showed up no matter
what I would have been Scout team safety. The problem
with it is it's so far from the reality where
Daniel Jones actually offered up to be the Scout team safety.
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The problem is that the way in which these contracts
are constructed, and we'll have Mark Dominic in a second, Dan,
but you know this is they can't the Giants can't
put him out there even for practice, for risk of injury,
because if he gets hurt even at practice, well then
they owe him even more money. Right, that contract is
(19:52):
already in albatross. It gets even worse.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
There's there's a lot to it, and I also look
at as just as Brady trying to make the transition
as a broadcaster and Mike Florio often frequent guest with
the Dan Patrick Obviously on The Dan Patrick Show, Florio
pointed out that this is your job as an analyst
to do this sort of thing to get that information.
I understand that you're coming from the player's perspective, but
(20:15):
I think a simple conversation, which was Florio's point, would
have solved this whole riddle for Tom Brady instead to
give his perspective the way that he did.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
It's really interesting because I would I would say that
if I had my analysis of his analysis generally is
he's been he's been way over prepared and he has
he's got to do games for a couple of years
and you know, in order to truly get comfortable and
just find his voice. But in this particular case, it
(20:46):
felt like Tom Brady was It was like his Ted talk.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It was like one of those Instagram reels on Tom
Brady that has made him very popular, which is like
I would have showed up to work no matter what,
no matter what, Like, yeah, dude, all you got to
do is make a call, You're Tom Brady going to
pick up the phone, and they would have said, like, hey,
look he wanted to go there, but they don't want
him around, okay, because he can't participate if he gets hurt,
(21:10):
costs us more money. Like he actually did a solid
by the team by removing himself from the situation. All right,
more on that to come. Let's welcome in. Mark Dominic,
of course, was a former gentle manager of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. By the way, he joins us weekly on
the Doug Gotlib Show. You should check out those hits.
Just download the Doug Gotlib Show podcast. Mark, am I am?
I wrong that, like Tom Brady said, it's one of
(21:32):
those like grand standing get applause from people. Tom would
show up to work no matter what when the reality
is that it's better for everybody if you decide to
move on from Daniel Jones to not have him around
the organization.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Mor than guys, And yeah, I agree. I hope you
guys had a good Thanksgiving and hopefully enjoyed the games.
But I agree with you guys. I mean, it's pretty
standard and Tom was never in this kind of position right,
not where his contract is just overbearing and the reality
is the organizations moving on and walking away, and so
therefore he can't see it from that lens. But he
could have been better prepared for that comment. I'm sure
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he faced a little bit of backlash today, has deserved.
But no, this is a decision made around the table
with the agent, player club, et cetera, all deciding that
that's the best interest. And I don't disagree that, you know,
he shouldn't be there. I am sure that with the
injuries that it looks like, well he could have played,
they would have still gone three lock. And so it
(22:29):
is what it is.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Is it simple enough, since we're talking about Daniel Jones
that the Vikings make this move just basically just for
insurance purposes for the rest of the season, because it
seems like they have a future. What do you think
was going through the mind of Quasio Delpha Menza making
that signing for Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, I think I think they're just kind of looking
at all things. I think they're kind of looking at
from a perspective of not sure where their quarterback is
in terms of health, knowing that more than likely Sam
Darnold's gonna find it different home in twenty twenty five,
and therefore we can already be protected with the backup
quarterback and get to see him and let our coaches
get to feel him, understand him, and see what ticks,
(23:10):
and let our coaches have a little play with him.
We've seen what they've done with san Donold and be
making Minnesota relevant in twenty twenty four, and I think
that they're trying to say, hey, let's kick the tires
on this one. So I think it's a longer term move,
depending on if Daniel Jones likes the environments as much
as maybe they like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I would also say, Mark, you tell me if I'm wrong. Okay,
there's something in basketball. You have basketball families, footballs you
have football families. I think it's brilliant from Daniel Jones
and his agent in that they don't really have a
connection to the Shanahan Tree and knowing that system, the verbiage,
how everything works, and this gives Daniel Jones, you know,
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the next couple of months to learn the system, which
doesn't mean it works in Minnesota. But if you look
throughout the league, Kevin O'Connell has connections with everybody else.
It puts seeming in a completely different football family and
gives them an opportunity because that's what you do, right
Like when you have a new coach, you're bringing a
guy who knows the system, whether starter or backup. And
(24:10):
I think it's a brilliant move from that perspective. Could
that be what the agent's thinking.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Oh, I think absolutely. I think you know, you're looking
at what's the best confiense right now in the NFL,
who's having the most success. You're thinking of those situations.
You're thinking, who's you know, who's been able to resurrect
careers or create careers. You're thinking of that situation. So
it makes a ton of sense. And again on the
practice squad or anything like that, you're not married to
anything as you're getting a jutes, so right now you're
as much getting dated as you're trying to date. And
(24:37):
so I think in that spot, it really works well
for him to see if he enjoys the system, enjoys
the coaching and the environment, or is this just a
quick stop, you know, learning more and then finding a
different place in twenty twenty five win free or when
the end of the season hits and you decide if
you're going sign a practice squad guys back or not.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show.
We're obviously going to talk about Maddieberfluss in the bank.
He said today he's met with Ryan Poles, is met
with Kevin Warren. We'll have a meeting later on what
do you say one of the questions you're asking your
head coach after that end of game debacle yesterday in.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Detroit, Well, I have a hard time. You know, they
complete that pass without the face in the hands of
the face and they're at the thirteen yard line and
they have to win. Instead, they do get the penalty,
so it's a twenty two yard penalty in theory, and
then they turn around and get sacked. I feel like
(25:33):
someone and it shows you that the lack of I
guess maturity on Caleb Williams to not understand that this
is a moment where you can't just wait for the call.
You either got to tick the timeout, throw a ball
to get yourself a builgal position or something on the sideline.
Should be taking the time out to me that I'm
Ryan Poles. I'm trying to understand why did we just
burn the timeout? I know you know, we would have
(25:54):
to get the ball you know, spiked, or we had
to throw it to the sidelines. But how do we
let the clock expire? And to me, that's a big question.
And as a GM, I don't ask that question last
night and ask him this morning. It's too emotional last night.
It's going to be hard to get the right answer.
It's going to add a know, this morning, you walk
in with your head coach and he said, let's go
through the chain of events and how that played out
(26:15):
last night and talk to me about what you have seen.
I think matthe Eberflus makes it through this weekend. I
know he's very confident that he'll make it through the weekend.
I just don't know if it's really because the Bears
have been playing a little better, and certainly the second
half was shocking for them to make it come back.
This game should have been, you know, out the door
in the first half. Obviously by the way the Lions
just kind of blundered in the red zone. But I
(26:36):
think you hold on to Matthew Riflus for at least
the other week or two and you are going through
the process, you know, and Ryan pulls me not know
what's going on, and he might be part of those,
you know, the sweeping So you know, to ask your
Jim and manager what's going on may not be the
best question, but I think you'll hold onto everything for
a week or two more. But behind the scenes, as
as you know.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Kevin Warren, Mark, Mark, how do you not fire somebody again?
And if it was just this game, okay, but they're
lining up to beat the Green Bay Packers who have
owned them for the better part of a decade, and
the guy sits on a forty six yard field goal
that gets blocked. Again, not his fault that the trajectory
(27:16):
was so low or that the blocking was bad. It's like,
not technically his fault, but this is not the first
And then you go to the commander's game again, not
necessarily his fault that he's got a cornerback who's who's
dancing and celebrating while the ball is already snapped, but
it is that like that's his football team, Like how
do you continue? And I'm again Mark, you know, I'm
(27:39):
a coach, I'm actually sensitive this thing, but how do
you not fire somebody today?
Speaker 6 (27:45):
I just think where you at in the season and
change to take a change of where you sit as
an organization isn't really going to change the outcome. I mean,
you gotta look at your own staff and say, who
would I want to be the head coach and why.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
And what maybe maybe not maybe not that coach, just
like somebody's literally got to get like, somebody has to
get there has to be some level of accountability that
isn't there, or you're just like, hey, he's gonna get
fired anyway, let's just like let him play out the string.
I don't know, Well, it's like.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
This, you know, and as you said, and you know,
and and I don't think that he won't get fired.
I just don't think they'll do it right now that
they might. But you talked about the three situations, and
one was on offense, one was on defense, one was
on special teams. Now that allso points back to it's
the team not coming together. But they're also in a
position to beat the camp commanders, in a position to
possibly beat the lines, in position to possibly beat the
(28:36):
you know, the packers. So you got to look at
from like we're right on the cusp of maybe things
are starting to turn, even though we're screwing up and
losing these games. It's not like we're getting thraddled or
beat bad like we've seen some other teams. And so
I think that's the only reason they're holding on. But
I think change things it's going to happen. I don't
think that's I think that's inevitable. I just don't know
(28:56):
if you just have to do it just to make
a point to whom as there to stay.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Can I get one more on this Bear's thing, because
and I said this to Doug earlier, Mark, and I
said it yesterday when it happened. I don't understand how
in this day, in the age of the NFL, you
have a kicker that can't kick on fifty eight yards indoors?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
I mean, we see guys now trying sixty four yard
field goals. The longest field goal in NFL history happened
in that stadium yesterday. And to me, that's a that's
that's the Bears telling on themselves that they don't even
have a good enough kicker, that they, by the way,
wanted to settle for a forty six yard or two
weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Like, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
No, And I don't disagree. I think we've seen certainly
a change in the evolution of kickers. It's easy to
make fifty yarders, and it does say something that you
have no confidence that you can make the big kick
in the big moment, especially when time running out and
the odds of you you know they're not going to
convert a first down. I hated the end of the game,
like I was nonnous. I was like, there's no way
they're going to lose this game, at least to go
(30:00):
into overtime and see if they somehow come pull off
this miracle upset. But the Bears did a Bears thing,
and I know that that goes back to Doug. What
you're saying is somebody's got heads got a roll. I just,
you know, no one, not knowing the McCaskey family, but
just knowing the overall run with Kevin Warren. I just
think that they're probably like, we fire him, Maybe we
don't want to win more games, Maybe weren't a position
(30:22):
where we're comfortable for our draft pick is right now,
even though it's not ideal that we're not in a
bad spot based off of meeting that first round pick
going forward.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
No, that's listen. That's the only that's I told Jason Stewart,
our producer, like, that's the only viable explanation that I
would actually go like, okay, that makes it make it
look so such like such a mess, like oh my god,
I can't believe we lost this game. And then then
you go in the locker, I'm like, dude, we lost
that game. We keep our draft pick. That's the only
thing that could that could get you out of jail free.
(30:50):
It was was I'm with you, I'm watching with my coaches,
and we're we just finished Thanksgiving dinner, and we were
all like, oh, okay, what do we have to prepare
for that we have not because this looks terrible. It
just looked I cannot believe how that game ended. Mark
Dominic joining us here on The Dan Patrick Show with
(31:12):
Dan Byram. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and Dan
nets Do the Dolphins have a cold weather problem or
a tua problem?
Speaker 6 (31:24):
I want to lean towards more of a cold weather
you know, obviously a very tough game for them as well,
where you know, they had a chance to kind of
close the game out in Lambeau, but they couldn't I
got to give credit and Jeff Hapley, the defensive coordinator.
They did a good job of making it difficult onto
it and you know, being able to stuff them in
the red zone and then turn around and gets pressures
(31:44):
and sacks. I think that Jeff Hapley has done a
really good job with that defense for the most part.
And then you know, I think it's more again it's
it's not. I think two is in a good spot.
I think he's going to be okay as long as
he stays healthy. I don't think some Dolphins are sting
to going. We got to get a different quarterback. I
think it was more just I think you got to
give credit to the defensive side of just Half as
the coordinator.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It was it was a It was a dominating performance.
No interceptions from from Jordan Love, which is the first
this year, and the the Packers look like they're playing
their best best football. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, Mark.
We love talking football with you. Enjoy your Black Friday sports,
and we'll talk to you next week. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
I'm very curious to see what Aidan O'Connell does today
for the Raiders than the whole season will be waiting
to see if he's any good. It doesn't really matter
so much, but it does to the raiders brass to
see if you can do anything against his chiefs today.
So it'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It will be fun to watch. He's Mark Dominique joins
this weekly on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Also here on
Fox Sports Rader. Coming up next, He's Dan Byrom Doug
Gottliebin for Dan and the Dan Nets. Is the price
right or wrong? That's next.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
In the meantime, Uh, let's play a little prices right
with the Dan Byer Dan.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, Doug. Round two here on the Dan Patrick Show today.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Some great items up for bids. Earlier in the in
the show, we had a ray show Gun aka Raygun
Hologram trading card valued at six dollars. He went to
Chris Purffett, I believe for three dollars. A great bid
by Chris Purfett. He met eber Flus autographed helmet mini
(33:27):
helmet valued at one hundred and twenty four dollars in
ninety nine cents, went to Jason Stewart's for a mere
forty nine ninety nine, and then that La Times from
nineteen ninety eight that was highlighting the Wooden Classic with
Doug Gottlieb on the cover. Went to Doug Gottlieb. He
bid one dollar, brought it home for eight dollars and
(33:48):
thirty three cents. So everybody has come home a winner
so far in the price is right. Let's see how
we do with round number two, the first item up
for bids.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Boys, she been the story.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I would imagine at some point in the next week
or so, we're gonna find out that Caitlyn Clark is
gonna be the Sportsperson of the Year for Sports Illustrated.
How great would it be to have a Caitlin Clark
acrylic Christmas ornament with her in an Indian on a
fever uniform.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Well, it can be yours if you go to eBay
right now.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
But instead we're gonna bid on this item here on
the Dan Patrick Show with Doug Gottlieb and the rest
of us. All right, Doug, your first up, your first
bid on the Caitlin Clark a crylic Christmas ornament featuring
her in a fever uniform.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
This is an actor listing on eBay.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Twenty nine ninety nine.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
All right, Jason Stewarts, I'm gonna say this knowing that
there's a certain segment of our listening audience right now
who's yelling at the radio?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Oh, why isn't Angel Reese on that ornament? What was
Doug's bid?
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Doug bid twenty nine ninety nine, thirty dollars, thirty dollars,
Jason Stewart playing the game, Chris Perfett, your final bid?
Speaker 10 (35:19):
I do ornaments really cost thirty dollars? Hey, maybe don't
have to be like, yeah, no, I'm gonna go lower.
I'm gonna I'm gonna go I don't know, sixty eighteen dollars,
eighteen dollars all right? Oh, you guys all overbid, you
all overbid. Yes, you're gonna have to rebid. Sixteen dollars
(35:40):
was the lowest bid. Doug got your bid.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Again, nine ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Okay, Jason Stewart. Ten dollars, ten dollars. All right, Chris Perfett,
I'll go a little bit higher.
Speaker 10 (35:53):
I gotta think it's in between twelve dollars twelve dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Why would you never mind?
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's all right? We have a perfect bid. We have
a perfect.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Bid here on the Dan Patrick Show, Prices right version,
and it was the person who bid nine to ninety nine,
Doug gottlieb to hit it right on the head. Doug,
just reach into my pocket, grab that nice one hundred
dollars bill.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
It's not a one hundred dollar bill, Doug, go ahead,
grab it.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You got the perfect bid nine ninety nine for a
Kitlyn Clark, A Crik Christmas Sandy.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Academy and all the people who made this possible.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
All right.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
There had been some controversy, not only with Angel Reyese,
but here on Fox Sports Radio on who has been
more popular, Kitlyn Clark or Aaron Judge. Well, guys up
for bids now. A Top's Garbage Pale Kids card one
of ninety nine foil card ungraded Aaron Judge aka Aaron Apple,
(37:00):
Aaron Apple, not Arson Judge, Which would have would have
been great. That would have been a great garbage pail kid.
Jason Stewart, your bid for the Tops Garbage Pail Kids,
Aaron Apple, Aaron Judge, one of ninety nine foil card.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
Just let the record reflect that I was a penny
off of the last one. One penny lost, but.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
You overbid too.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
You know who cares?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
I don't remember that part.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Do you know what cares?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
No nobody?
Speaker 9 (37:29):
Twenty four twenty four ninety nine garbage pail kid of
Arson Apple.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Judge Perfet, Were you a garbage pail collector? By any means?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
It was not?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Sorry, how's your bid again?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Jason's too young?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Twenty four.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
Nine.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I'm gonna go twenty eight dollars.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Twenty eight Doug? Were you a collector?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I was. I was a collector. I had a ton
of garbage rail kits, and I grew up for people
who don't know in in the El Medina area of
the city of Orange bodyo. Olmedina was a butted our area,
and so there's a little liquor store in there. I'd
walk up blocks in there, and in that area, nobody
bought the garbage pail kid except for me. So I
(38:09):
love the garage boil kids. Profet's bid was what twenty
twenty eight bucks? I'll do one dollar, all right?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So the actual retail price of this Aaron Apple garbage
pail kid price is forty dollars, Chris Prefet, it is yours, Elliot.
You get it for twenty eight bucks. Alright, it's deja
vu all over again. And our final bid, our final
item up for bids. A year ago we found out
that Doug's twenty twenty three NBA CON lanyard that was
(38:38):
autographed was up for sale. No one has bought it
within the last year. Chris Purfett, your first bid for
Doug gottlieb autographed lanyard.
Speaker 10 (38:47):
An autographed lanyard, your autographing lanyards, Doug.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Somebody asked me to sign it, and then they went
the way tell it.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Doug's garbage pail kid would be Hound Doug, Hounddug.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I looked it up, Hound Doug. I okay, I'm want
to go.
Speaker 10 (39:00):
So it's a lanyard like lanyards, I'm gonna go nine
ninety nine.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
All right, Doug for your.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
On autograph, we'll go ten.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Dollars ten bucks.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
Jason Stewart, Wow, I'm gonna go nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Nineteen ninety nine. And the actual retail price I'm eBay
right now. Doug's autograph nine twenty twenty three NBA con
autograph lanyard is twenty nine ninety nine. Jason Stewart's yes
in Doug's lanyard at the great price of nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Nobody's actually purchased it, so you could probably get it
for one dollar. Think of it that right, did you.
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