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September 29, 2026 • 40 mins

Dan is amazed by Josh Allen’s prolific rushing TD count and thinks he may be the best dual-threat QB to ever play. And former MLB legend Joey Votto drops by as the MLB Wildcard games get underway today.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Awaiting official word on Aaron Judge's availability for the Yankees
in this opening round series. And we'll try to give
you some information on that. I was just looking at
the Yankees roster and looking at Giancarlo Stanton's contract. Now,
they do have one of the worst contracts with Jacoby Ellsbury.
That didn't work out for the Yankees. They might be

(00:26):
still paying Jacoby Ellsbury. Might be. Giancarlo Stanton won an MVP,
and then Jeter was running the Marlins at the time.
And then he said to the Yankees, hey, you want him?
You can have him. And they gave him $ 300 million
for a one-dimensional player who did win an MVP. But
the guy can't run, he can't swing, and he can't

(00:47):
play the outfield. Other than that, here he is, Giancarlo Stanton.
That's a bad contract. Bad, bad contract. That's one of
those you say, all right, if we win a World Series,
then maybe we can go, all right, you know, and
if he helps us.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
But Giancarlo Stanton.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yikes.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yes, Dylan.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Do you think Jeter actually knew that the Stanton thing
wasn't going to work out? Or was he in his
mind trying to help out the Yankees while working.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
For the Marlins?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, you know, the Marlins couldn't afford Giancarlo Stanton. And,
you know, so Jeter made a good decision. I don't
know how many good decisions he made there, but he
made a good decision. I don't think they got anything
in return for Giancarlo Stanton. But $ 300 million contract. And
I don't know how many more years they're on the.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Hook for that.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
But we've got to see if Jacoby Ellsbury is still
getting paid by the Yankees.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
877-3DP-SHOW. Email address dp at danpatrick.com. Twitter handle at dpshow.
Joey Votto, former MVP. He is working for NBC. And
he'll join us coming up in about 20 minutes from now.
This second hour brought to you by RecTech. College football.
Great Saturday. Start with great food. Tailgate or at home.

(02:06):
Smoke wings, ribs, brisket.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
RECTEQ.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
R-E-C-T-E-Q. Set the temperature. You control it from your phone
and watch the game. Paulie, do we have an update
on Aaron Judge?

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yes, we do.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
According to Jack Curry of the YES Network, the Yankees Network,
Aaron Judge is not on the Yankees wildcard roster.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
OK, when they submit the roster, that means for the
entire series, the three games, he's not able to play.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
I'm pretty sure that's what it means, but they said
he's not on the wildcard roster. I don't think he
could be put on after that.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
OK, but he can be on if they win against
the Red Sox. They move on to the.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Next if they advance. Yes. OK. All righty.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Chicago Bears, they survived. They thrived. Case Keenum last night.
And this is where we normally go, OK, is this
more about the Eagles and what they didn't do or
more about the Bears? I think it's about both because
I'm not an alarmist, but I'm a concernist. And I
would say with what I saw with the Eagles last night,

(03:11):
no turnovers. really void of offense last night, seven points
against a defense that is not formidable. And you let
a third string quarterback beat you in case Keenum did
a great job. And he spoke about his performance after
the game.

Speaker 8 (03:27):
That's a kid, and you're dreaming about it, you know,
that you feel like you can. I don't know if
you think about the week that it takes, the work
that it takes in the offseason to clean up your
diet and work extremely hard to get your body back
to where it needs to be, you know, to go
through a training camp as the three to get a
shot again to do it like this.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I mean, yeah, you dream of it. That's why I'm
still here.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
11 for 11 for 145 and two touchdowns against the Blitz.
They kept showing Vic Fangio because he was going to
dial something up for the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's always that defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
The offensive coordinator doesn't dial things up as much as
the defensive coordinator. This is the Spags dialing it up.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yes, Dylan.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
I think we've got to ask the important question, Dan.
Are the Bears better with Case Keenum than Caleb Williams?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm going to say no.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Go out on a limb and say no. And Ben
Johnson is a great play caller. And he deserves credit
for last night. But you've got to have somebody who
can implement your game plan. I can give you a
good plan. You've got to be able to go out
there and do it. And short passes. He knows what
Case Keenum can do and not do. Now, the gambling guys,

(04:42):
so Dylan Big Ray and Shea, You guys talked yourself
out of an unbelievable parlay last night.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
We did.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
So we were going back and forth about whether we
wanted the Eagles or the Bears. Ultimately landed on the Eagles,
which I will actually take responsibility for. And then the
point total, the over-under, which we have ultimately landed on
the over. But what we had all agreed on was
Case Keenum anytime touchdown scorer to be in the mix there.
And he pulled it off. He was like plus 1,600 yards.

(05:14):
as a straight bat just to score a touchdown. So
we fumbled that, but that's pretty standard.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I'm just finding out.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Fritzie says Jacoby Ellsbury is not still being paid by
the Yankees with his original contract. He, he was released
in November of 2019 with 26 million left on his
seven year, $ 153 million contract.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Wow. Boy, that was a bad deal. That's a, that's
a bad deal.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
That's where sometimes you have too much money and then
you go, well, I don't know. What do we want here?
And then all of a sudden you go, well, let's
take a flyer. Let's get Ellsbury from the Red Sox.
Red Sox are probably going, yeah, boy, all right.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well, you got him. Boy, you're lucky. Yeah, Paul.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
You think Jacoby Ellsbury and his friends and family are
driving around.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Today going, what the hell did I do?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I'm just taking my kids to school.

Speaker 9 (06:09):
I know.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Catching randos.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, sorry, you fell in there with Giancarlo Stanton with
bad contracts there.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
A couple of phone calls. New poll question. Anything that's
not snarky today, Dylan?

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, we have some non-snark in the mix.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
All right.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
J.J.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
McCarthy trade. Him getting traded from the Vikings to the
Giants for a fifth round pick. Good for the Giants,
good for the Vikings, or good for both?

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I'm going to say both.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I think the Vikings needed to get him out of
the quarterback room. If you don't believe in him at
any point that he's going to be a starting quarterback,
then send him on his way, fifth round pick.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
If you're the Giants, now I.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Don't like it because you got a guy who was
higher draft pick than Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Dart's injured.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
If he somehow plays well, now maybe you can flip
that and maybe you end up with a third round
draft pick for J.J. McCarthy if he happens to play well.
But I'm really leaning in heavily on Jim Harbaugh's influence
on John Harbaugh taking J.J.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
McCarthy. Yes, Dylan.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I mean, I think it's.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Great for the Giants. First of all, you literally need
a backup. You need another quarterback in the building at
the moment. And it costs you essentially nothing. It's a
fifth round pick. And then also he has actually had
flashes of playing. So it's like on the off chance
he does have to go in, he might win a
game for you if you want that.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I would have looked at Jimmy Garoppolo. I know kind
of what I'm getting there. I don't know what I'm
getting with J.J.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
And that's a tough crowd to go into, playing for
the Giants. But I probably would have looked at Garoppolo first.
And then if you're going to get a high first-round
pick for a fifth-round pick, yeah, Dylan.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Wasn't that poll that we looked at a little while
back about the rudest fan bases and the nicest fan bases?
I think, weren't the Giants the most foul-mouthed one, or
they were close to the top, I think?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I don't remember who, I don't know who led in
that category. Was Philadelphia up there as well?

Speaker 5 (08:17):
If they weren't, then I question this study.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, the old.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Raiders, when they were in Oakland, they'd be the runaway winner.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Historically.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, Paulie?

Speaker 5 (08:28):
If you go back to J.J.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
McCarthy, his stats for the 10 games he played, he
was 6-4 as a starter, 58% passer, 11 touchdowns, 12 picks.
They're almost exactly Josh Allen's first 10 game stats, but
it never felt promising with McCarthy. It never felt like
he was getting anywhere, like improving.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, but he's not the athlete that Josh Allen is.
I can't take those numbers anymore. I can take those
numbers if you give me something else. And Josh Allen
may give you a little better than average numbers when
he was first starting out, but he did give me
the element of running. And that's what I brought up
last hour. We celebrate Shohei Ohtani for pitching and hitting.

(09:10):
Should we be celebrating Josh Allen similarly? Because now I
don't think he's a great thrower, but I do think
he's a great quarterback. and you throw in the rushing touchdowns,
the fact that you're going to have a quarterback, when
it's all said and done, probably have 125 rushing touchdowns.
I mean, how crazy is that? Now, I know it's

(09:33):
a new era, and what the defense has allowed you
to do, an open field and a lot of quarterback sneaks,
I understand all of that. But that element, nobody else
has that. Lamar Jackson doesn't run the way he once did.
It feels like Josh Allen... is still running the way
he once did.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
Dylan, which is interesting because Lamar and Josh Allen are pretty,
they're kind of like intrinsically linked together, at least in
like sort of the scope of the NFL. And, it's
odd that Lamar has almost been coached to do that
aspect of the game less and Josh Allen I think
has been I don't know if he's been encouraged to
but like that's actually become one of the more dominant
features of it he scores touchdown rushing touchdowns at an

(10:13):
insane clip.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
But I think they have design runs for him. And
I think that's the important part. When you scramble, when
you run, are you running? And it's a design play.
And it feels like they have that with Buffalo. And
Josh Allen, it's going to hurt you probably more than
it's going to hurt him.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, Paulie.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Josh Allen, the past three seasons, 15 touchdown runs, 12
touchdown runs, 14. He's at 6 this year. And on
that pace, he'd be at 20 this year.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, that's remarkable.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yes, Dylan.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
If you were told that your starting running back was
going to have 12, 11, and 14 rushing touchdowns in
three consecutive seasons, you'd be like, that.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Guy's on his way to the Hall of Fame as
a running back.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Andrew in Washington. Andrew, what do you have for us today?
Good morning, Dan.

Speaker 10 (11:00):
Dan, it's, um, you know, it was great to see
case Keenum turned back the clock last night.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Um, he turned back to clock so far.

Speaker 10 (11:07):
I know you guys talked about March Mariotta and Jamis
Winston being connected for winning this past week, but also
case Keenum and Jamis Winston, the last time they both
won during a, um, football season was back in week
13 of 2018. So long time ago, I was going
to ask this with case Keenum turning back the clock
last What would each of you like to turn back

(11:29):
the clock on and do really well one more time
in your life that you can't do now?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Oh, well, Dylan, you had the arrest.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yeah, that one doesn't bother me as much as some
other stuff I'd probably change.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Wait a minute. You wouldn't you wouldn't change that?

Speaker 6 (11:48):
I would love to have not had to go through
all that stuff. But there's like I would have probably like.
done better in school or I'm sure. I mean, if
you give me some time, I could think of a
laundry list probably.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
By the way, the 2025 survey, the five rudest fan bases, Eagles, Cowboys, Raiders, Patriots, Steelers,
Eagles didn't even make it.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
They analyzed 2.5 million subreddit comments and they measured profanity
and negativity rather than in person. Yeah, if you go
in person to an Eagles game, you might change that.
Profanity rate. Top five.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Giants. Colts. The Colts? Browns. Cardinals. Jets. Yeah, the Jets.
That's rough.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
And anybody who goes to a Jets game in New York,
do not wear your gear. There are certain places, do
not wear your gear. I wish you could, but I've
seen ugly results, okay? And all it takes is one person.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yes, Todd.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
Arizona Cardinals fans are dropping F-bombs and stuff like that
in the beautiful sunny valley in the desert.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
What are they all upset about?

Speaker 5 (13:07):
The team's bad, but you live in a beautiful place.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Granted, it's extremely hot, but I don't know. How could
you be top five of profanity risk? Thank you, Todd.
It's crazy to me. Phil in California. Hi, Phil. What
do you have for me today?

Speaker 11 (13:20):
Hey, Dan.

Speaker 12 (13:21):
I got a quick poll question kind of paying homage
to McLovin. I took a deep dive and just kind
of looked at all the different suffixes, all the NFL teams,
and there are 148 juniors and seconds. There are 34 thirds.
There are sevenths, fourths, and three-fifths. And the Tampa Bay

(13:44):
Buccaneers and the Seattle Seahawks are the only two teams
that have those four different categories on their team.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Oh, I like that. That's the start of the day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Start of the day. Start of the day.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Oh, baby, it's the start of the day.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Start of the day.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Start of the day.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
It's the start of the day.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I know that Michael Bublé sounds incredible and there is
a Sinatra feel, but.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
It does feel like you might be able to sing similarly.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I know you can't, but there's like there are certain
singers where you go, you could never do that.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
But Michael Bublé, it's a bop-a-doop-a-ba.

Speaker 10 (14:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Stat of the day. Stat of the day.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Oh, yeah. Yes, Dylan.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
So Michael Buble is attainable voice.

Speaker 9 (14:43):
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
For some. I don't think I can do that.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
But he you know, it's it's Sinatra based.

Speaker 9 (14:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And you listen to Sinatra. Now, there's certain songs where
you can't do it, but there is there there's a.
portion of the song sometimes where you guy, I think
I could kind of sing along with Frank. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
Paul, you have Basie pipes. So you're halfway there. It's
like Fritzie with falsetto 80 singers. He has that tone already.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Todd probably has a better chance to sing like Hall
and Oates than I do like Michael.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Well, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think I can be in, in the, in the
neighborhood with Michael Bublé a little bit there.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, Paul.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
You need to get a nice suit, some nice lighting,
and a cocktail. And then with your voice, we'll get
it all ramped up.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well, can I do auto-tune like everybody else does?

Speaker 4 (15:37):
I mean, no?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Not going to work.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Not when you're doing Sinatra.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yes, Dill.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Yeah, if you're like laying on a piano.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
No, I wouldn't be. The woman lays on the piano.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
I think you should lay on the piano.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
No, that's not a good look.

Speaker 12 (15:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
No.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Upside down? With your head hanging off the piano?

Speaker 11 (15:54):
No.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Microphone?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
All you have to do is see the movie The
Fabulous Baker Boys with Michelle Pfeiffer on the piano.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Then you would say, no, you don't need to be
on the piano, Dan.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
All right.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
You can play the piano.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
All right.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yes, Paul.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Scalding hot Michelle Pfeiffer.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Scalding.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Wait, what's the song that has her? She's something.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Is that Bruno Mars where they talk about Michelle Pfeiffer
is something gold?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
You remember hearing it?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Oh, Uptown Funk.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
But she's what kind of gold?

Speaker 5 (16:28):
White gold.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
White gold. White gold.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
White gold.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
White gold. Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know, I didn't think we were going to talk
Michelle Pfeiffer today, you know, for some reason. But we did.
We could. Best Catwoman ever. You think so?

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh, what?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And Batman Returns? I haven't seen any of those movies.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
How dare you?

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Anne Hathaway is pretty good Catwoman.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, I've never seen any of those movies. I can't
get through the Matrix.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
We got Joey Votto coming up.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Joey Votto is going to join us. We'll get ready
for the playoffs today and tonight. Take a break. Back
after this.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern, 6 a.m. Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 13 (17:14):
Stugatz here, pleased to be hosting college football with Stugatz
and the Bear.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
We do it two times a week.

Speaker 13 (17:19):
Every Monday, every single Friday throughout the college football season.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
You can expect a little bit of this.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Will Stein, the head coach at Kentucky, joins us. Open
bar at a wedding, ordering a Shirley Temple.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Will or will not?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
No. Will not. Ketchup on steak. Will or will not?
Will or will not? Will not. Thank you. A little
bit of this.

Speaker 13 (17:41):
Rhys Davis, host of College Game Day, is with us now.

Speaker 12 (17:43):
And then I'm going home to the BBC, and they're
saying Jockovich instead of Jokovich.

Speaker 13 (17:49):
Right, because you can't say Jockovich. If you do, you
know the blowback you're going to get from the American audience.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Right.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
And a whole lot of this.

Speaker 13 (18:01):
Listen to college football with Stugatz and the Bear on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
You get your podcasts.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
We got baseball today and tonight. The Yankees will be
playing without Aaron Judge as we bring in Joey Votto.
He serves as an inside the pitch analyst. He'll be
looking at the wild card matchup that starts at 2
Eastern today and tomorrow, NBC and Peacock. And three-game series.
Where do you stay? Whoa, look at you with a

(18:34):
shirt and tie on.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Not bad, huh?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Looking good. Did you just get a haircut?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yesterday, I stopped at Great Clips on my trip down.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Couldn't you do that on your own? I mean, there's
not a lot of hair.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I could. I could. I like that pushback.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Where do you stand on a three-game series to open up?

Speaker 11 (18:56):
It's tough, especially when you win the division. I don't
like it for the Atlanta Braves, the Philadelphia Phillies. Probably
I'm taking care of the Braves Phillies today. And I
think the Phillies love this scenario. You play a seven-game
series with a team as good, as deep as the Braves.
You've got your hands full. I think this is best
case for Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Explain to me Kyle Schwarber's swing.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Wow, good question.

Speaker 11 (19:20):
It's almost like he's one of those boxers that just
throws hooks inside of a telephone booth. And he's going
to knock you out. He's like Butterbean. He's like Butterbean.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
He's the Butterbean of baseball.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
There is just I love watching him at the plate.
I just he knows he knows his window. Now, he
doesn't know it like Bonds, but nobody knew it like Bonds.
But he's he's got that window there where you go.
If you make a mistake there, he'll make you pay
for it. it. How tough is it to get like
in your mind? I'm going to stay away from that

(19:56):
pitch outside or up higher. It's just I'm looking here
and that's all I'm looking for.

Speaker 11 (20:03):
I won't complicate it too much, but the simpler and
quicker your swing, the more you can make a decision,
the more it feels like a conscious. kyle swing is
very short very tight he doesn't move very much and
the hardest thing to do and as a hitter is
to not move and for the ball to go far

(20:24):
most guys need to move run jump towards the pitcher
they need to create extra extra momentum towards the pitch
he doesn't he just stands there and.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Turns why you left-handed swings look better than right-handed swings.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
That's a good question.

Speaker 11 (20:43):
I think because we have a tendency to have more
of an uppercut to our swing, which is more aesthetically pleasing.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
That would be my best guess.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
But then a left-handed shooter looks smoother than a right-handed shooter.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Now we're talking Chris Mullen, aren't we?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (20:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
I don't have an answer for that. I can just
tell you that, generally speaking.

Speaker 11 (21:03):
we face a lot of right-handed pitching and we see
a lot of right-handed sliders, which go down. So to
match that, we have this slight uppercut to our swing,
which looks a bit more like a Nike swoosh type
of flourish.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
It's more aesthetically pleasing than a right-handed swing.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
The Yankees without Aaron judge means what for that lineup?

Speaker 11 (21:24):
You're leaning on Schlittler. You're leaning on Cole. I can't
stand it. And I don't think you not going to
be useful throughout the entirety of the playoffs. If they
do happen to go deep into the playoffs, if you're
hurt and you can't play, and I watched a bunch
of his live at bass yesterday and you can't play
in the first series, how, what's it going to be? 50%, 75%

(21:48):
come the, the ALCS or the world series. It's a huge,
it's a huge hit to that roster because their offense
is mediocre at best. They may be one of the
bottom five offensive offenses in all of baseball without Aaron judge.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
But if you try to play with an injury, then
you change your swing. Have you had to do that
where you got to compromise?

Speaker 11 (22:11):
Too many times in my career. Aaron's a big man
with long levers. So these small little adjustments he has
to make because of his health.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Is going to show up down the line in a swing.

Speaker 11 (22:23):
He has to be healthy and has to be strong
to be anywhere near at his very best. But the
good thing about Aaron is he's so good that him
at 75% is better than basically the entire league.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
The best team playing today is who?

Speaker 11 (22:40):
The Los Angeles dollar Dodgers, but I don't know. I mean,
in the wild series, no, in the wild, excuse me.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah. The Atlanta Braves, the Atlanta Braves.

Speaker 11 (22:48):
Great, great bullpen, great lineup, long lineup to have an
answer on right and left solid defense. Tonight's starter is
in the, in the conversation for best, best pitcher in
the game.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Excuse me. Today's starter in Chris sale is in the
conversation for best pitcher in the game.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
How did you do against Chris sale?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Not good.

Speaker 11 (23:07):
I faced him in spring training in Glendale, Arizona at
the Chicago White Sox when he used to pitch for
the White Sox. And they have this batter's eye that's
as narrow as can be. And he has this style
where he comes from the side. He throws very hard
and he's got a slider that starts behind you. And

(23:28):
the ball wouldn't come out of the batter's eye. So
it would come out of the sun. The sun would
be right behind the batter's eye. So every time he'd
throw a ball, it would come out of the sun.
So it was a combination of Chris Sale and the Almighty.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
When he was with the White Sox, he was must-see TV.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I loved what, but, you know, he had that dip
for about, what, four years where he disappeared?

Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's like Kurt Warner.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Kurt Warner had an unbelievable start with the Rams, then
kind of disappeared, then came back with the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
That's now comparison. But Chris Sale went from.

Speaker 11 (24:06):
similar to Kurt Warner, went from being a what could
have been to a clear Hall of Fame guy. He
won the Cy Young after taking all those years off.
How do you do that? How do you take that
much time off and win the Cy Young right away?
And he's still in the contention for a Cy Young
guy if there wasn't a Mizorowski, if there wasn't a Sanchez.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
He is Joey Votto, former Reds first baseman, spent 17
years in the show, as they like to say, part
of NBC's coverage of the wildcard round uh tougher to
face in their prime verlander or scherzer.

Speaker 11 (24:39):
It's a good question two of the greats i was
fortunate enough to face the trio of kershaw verlander and
scherzer a lot Scherzer was better.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
At having the big, big game.

Speaker 11 (24:51):
He had the explosive fastball and the strikeout slider, which
explains his 20 strikeout game.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
But for me, Verlander was the tougher matchup.

Speaker 11 (25:00):
He was that old school coming over the top with
like typical mechanics, the big hundred mile an hour fastball
and a great slider. I would say Justin Verlander was
the better pitcher between the two.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
What about if I throw in Kershaw?

Speaker 11 (25:17):
Kershaw is one of the greats of all time. Kershaw
is for me, the best pitcher I'd ever faced. You know,
CC Sabathia was the toughest matchup, but only because I
thought he would beat me up if I ever said
anything to him. it was more like alpha beta relationship
between CC and I, whereas Kershaw was just the best,

(25:38):
best slider, best fastball. But no, you know, if you
were to ask a bunch of right-handed hitters about Justin
Verlander and Max Scherzer, they would say that's their toughest matchup.
And I can't tell you how many guys have said, wow,
Scherzer's too much for me or wow, Verlander's too much,
or I can't hit that slider.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's the reputation these two guys had.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
But how often do hitters go to the plate and
they know they don't have any chance? Too often, far
too often.

Speaker 11 (26:04):
And that's what I think I'm worried about today with
the Phillies-Braves matchup. I think the Phillies may feel like
they don't have a really good... I don't think they're
in a good place against Chris Sale today. There's a
lot of times, especially in the back half, back third
of your career, where you're just tricking everybody. You want
the check. You want the uniform. You want to make
the flight. You want to show up at those five-star hotels.

(26:26):
But you have to pretend like you're an authority in
the batter's box. But you know you're going to get dominated.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Do you ever close your eyes and swing?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
No, I was a good hitter, Dan.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I know you were, I, I, you know, just kind.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Of, no, never, never, never, never.

Speaker 11 (26:42):
I was, I was, I, I was always at my
peak in terms of focus and effort until the wheels
fell off.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
But you never had one of those John Kruk all-star
moments with Randy Johnson where you're.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Like, let me bat right-handed. I got no shot.

Speaker 11 (27:01):
When I faced CeCe, I always felt like- hit me
with his left fist and so there was a lot
of times where I was intimidated by him because he
was such an intimidating figure on the mound so there's
plenty of occasions where I felt like I was just
standing in the batter's box as a pitch as a

(27:21):
batting dummy and he would get as I could get
through their back he was my Randy Johnson to John
Crux Randy you know to John Crux.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I think you were getting towards saying this but you
don't have the Dodgers winning this year Is that what
you said?

Speaker 11 (27:35):
No, I don't have them winning this year. I think
the Brewers are going to get to the World Series.
I don't know how the average fan feels about that.
I've heard a lot of people gripe about the Dodgers
and their domination, their era. Baseball is really difficult in
a seven game series. And I think that the brewers
have enough, especially with the very best and clearly, clearly,

(27:57):
clearly very best pitcher in all the game throwing at
least twice in that series. I have the brewers small market,
one of the smallest, if not the smallest market in
the sport, making it to the world's world series. The
problem may be, especially if the rays make it who,
I mean, who's going to watch if that's the case.
So I'm, I'm a little concerned about this year's playoffs

(28:17):
for that reason.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
How much longer can Mizorowski throw?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
He had over 1,000 pitches that were over 100 miles
an hour.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
How sustainable is this?

Speaker 11 (28:29):
Randy was throwing– Chris Sale today, he's throwing 100. It
can go as long as he stays healthy. As long
as he stays healthy. He is the perfect pitching prospect
for this to carry deep into his 30s.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
He's our Randy Johnson. He's our Walter Johnson. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (28:48):
He's that big right-handed power pitcher that's setting off. He's
our Bob Gibson. He's our Bob Feller. He is just
that modern power, power pitcher. And in a game where
the game is power pitching, he's head and shoulders above.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
The difference between a manager in the regular season and
the postseason and a three-game series, like how important are
these managers in a three-game series as opposed to a
seven-game series?

Speaker 11 (29:13):
That's an interesting question because nowadays in the Major League
regular season, these managers are managing as if it's the
playoffs each game because they want to bank each win.
The two managers that are managing today, both Walt Weiss
and Don Mattingly, are the replacements. My best guess is
both of them want to showcase that they're a part

(29:33):
of the game. They're probably going to make an impact.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Do I think managers, you're asking the wrong person here.

Speaker 11 (29:40):
You're asking the wrong person because I don't think managers
make that much of a difference but I think they
like make having their fingerprint on the game so I
could see them trying in a three-game series to make
adjustments do they matter I'm not sure so you.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Don't buy into Tony La Russa was a genius.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
No, I don't. Albert Pujols, Mark McGuire.

Speaker 11 (30:03):
All these manager geniuses that make all these chess move decisions,
but then they're throwing out literally the best player in
the game.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
God bless them. They make an impact, but there's.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
A reason why Juan Soto makes $ 51 million and the
manager of the team makes $ 2.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
5 million.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
How do you like that Juan Soto deal?

Speaker 4 (30:24):
I think.

Speaker 11 (30:25):
I think that there's a chance he's going to opt
out and get a bigger one, if you can believe it.
I think he's a worthy, he's one of the few
players that's worthy of it. He's one of the great
hitters of all time.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, but what else does he, Joey?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah, it's a fair question.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Nobody's showing up. Yeah, they're not showing up to see him.

Speaker 11 (30:45):
No question about it. They show up for the winning team.
He's a part of winning. I don't know what to say.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
How many must-see guys are there in baseball right now?

Speaker 11 (30:56):
Shohei Otani, Aaron Judge, Mizorowski, and now Pete Crow Armstrong.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
That's the four. That's the four must-sees.

Speaker 11 (31:09):
And then guys fluctuate in and out, but those are
the four must-see guys. Maybe fringe Eli De La Cruz,
but he's on not a strong team.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
So the four guys that are must-see.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Is that enough for a league though?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Like when you look at becoming bigger, you only got
four must see guys in the sport.

Speaker 11 (31:30):
Just depends on I, when I think about baseball, I
think having more of a personality like college football. So
to answer your question, I worry more about the teams,
the cities than I do about the stars, even though
I'm star biased. That's a great question. But my answer
to that question is it's, it's a problematic thing. I
think that's, that's, that's major league baseball's responsibility to promote

(31:53):
the stars more.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Good luck today.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
I appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And thanks for joining us as always.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Always, Dan. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
That's Joey Votto. He's the Dos Equis guy. He'd be
the most interesting man in the world because he actually
is one of the most interesting men in the world.
He'll be a part of the Phillies and the Braves
wildcard series at two Eastern today. And that'll be on
NBC and Peacock. Always one of my favorites. Because he
does give thought to your questions. That's why I always

(32:24):
love Rory McIlroy. Because it feels like even if he's
heard the question 50 times, he does pause to give
you an answer.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
So when people say, oh, who do you like to interview?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Somebody who is actually going to think about the question
I'm going to ask and not hit that, oh, I'm
just going to put this on automation.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, Paul.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
And Votto's answer when you asked him about Aaron Judge was,
That's a little scary if you're a Yankees fan. He
made it sound like if you miss an entire series.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, that's a great point. All right, we'll come back.
I'm looking at his numbers. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Votto was 6 for 28 against Kershaw, 3 for 16
against Sabathia, 5 for 20 against Scherzer, 3 for 5
against Verlander.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
And Joey, one of the great hitters. Great hitters. All right,
take a break. Back after this.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
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Speaker 2 (33:24):
I got a text from a source who said that
he was on a call yesterday morning, and it has
to do with NBA expansion and which teams will move
from the Western Conference to the Eastern Conference. Memphis and
New Orleans are the logical choices to go from west
to east. But the Minnesota Timberwolves are getting a closer

(33:46):
look because, according to my source, it would align them
with Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, and Indy. And it would be
an intriguing and attractive regional grouping that they would be
looking for. Moving Minnesota to the East would also have
Anthony Edwards in the Eastern Conference, and according to my source,

(34:08):
helping balance talent across two conferences. The Timberwolves have long
preferred to be in the East because it helps them
with fan following. A majority of their games would be
the Eastern and Central time zone. And then he goes
on to say, assuming Las Vegas and Seattle get their teams,

(34:28):
and in parentheses, and they will, The commissioner wants a
decision by early January.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
So I found that out yesterday. Aaron in Fort Wayne. Hi, Aaron.
What do you have for me today? Hey, Dan, appreciate
you taking my call. I had a game last night.

Speaker 9 (34:46):
I mean, I thought I was watching a throwback. I
thought it was like Bengals-Vikings in 2017. I had a
blink a couple of times. But I got a theory
on Jim Harbaugh and John Harbaugh. Like, do they kind
of just, like, fall in love with the guy?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
I mean, when you look at, like.

Speaker 9 (35:04):
Jim Harbaugh saying that JJ McCarthy is a once in
a generational type player, the best player of all.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Time at Michigan. I mean, Tom Brady played there.

Speaker 9 (35:13):
And I mean, anybody with eyeballs can see, I feel
like some of these younger coaches like Kevin O'Connell, you know,
took one look at JJ McCarthy and just thought, no,
like this guy cannot play. And you know, the same
with maybe Herbert.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
You know, at the Chargers, why they're struggling is.

Speaker 9 (35:29):
He maybe doesn't see the next level of what some
of these younger gurus in the quarterback room see.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, Kevin O'Connell was there when they drafted J.J.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
And if he saw something he didn't like, then he
should have said something then.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Like, let's be fair to the situation. Love Kevin, but.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I can only go by what my source told me
prior to the draft. I do not have a first-round
grade on him. It's like Will Levis. I don't have
a first-round grade on him.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And look, people, we thought Shador Sanders was going top
five in the draft. Remember we had Dion on at
the Super Bowl? He said he's already talking to teams like,
don't draft my son.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
And I'm thinking, he's going to manipulate the draft?

Speaker 2 (36:17):
And it goes back to, my source said, I don't
have a first round grade on Shador Sanders. He's a
great college player. I don't have a first round grade
on him.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
But, J.J. McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Look, Jim's got to be careful with what he says publicly.
Because you can say something privately to Justin Herbert. Look,
I think you have a chance to be one of
the greatest quarterbacks of all time. But when you tell us,
that doesn't go away. And I think he's guilty of hyperbole.
And to the detriment of Justin Herbert. Now we're looking

(36:57):
at Mike Vrabel might not be the best coach for
Drake May. Well, where was this last year? He finished
second in the MVP. He barely lost the MVP. Now
he might not be the right coach for him?

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
It might be something different with Drake May, but I
think he's in his own head. And, you know, sometimes you...
You see great athletes when you say, how did you
do that? And they'll tell you they don't know. They
just do it. But it's when you think about doing
those things, that's when you start to struggle. They're so
conditioned to be reactionary that this is just normal. I mean,

(37:39):
imagine if you're thinking about a 100-mile-an-hour fastball. You're not
going to hit it. It's just, I'm sitting on this,
and I'm going to go get it. And being reactionary,
that is what great players, great athletes do.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yes, Marta?

Speaker 12 (37:53):
Yeah, you see a lot of guys that come back
from injury, and they always say, I can't think about
the injury because that's going to slow me up.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
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Speaker 3 (38:13):
Hi, Dan. What do you have for me today? Hey,
thanks for taking my call, BP.

Speaker 13 (38:18):
Second time, long time, 59175.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Just wanted to give a shout-out to the gambling podcast,
Ray and Dylan and you.

Speaker 12 (38:26):
I had no idea what a trap game was.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Listened to you guys this last week.

Speaker 9 (38:31):
Felt like it was a trap game last night, but
money on the Bears' money line, just with third-string quarterback.

Speaker 11 (38:37):
Everyone had the Eagles kind of winning that game and
made a little money last night.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
So, appreciate you guys.

Speaker 9 (38:42):
All right.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yes, the Gambling Podcast every week. You can find it
at danpatrick.com. Are we doing it tomorrow, Dylan? We're doing
it on Wednesday during football season? No, we'll be Thursday.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
So, recap show is going to be every Monday during
football season, and then Thursday is the show for the
upcoming slate.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Shea and Irving was not in a good place yesterday.
I could hear him yelling. I'm over giving a tour
to some friends who came in from California, and I
can hear him MFing. He's yelling as he comes in
to tape the gambling podcast. And I actually had to
send somebody over and said, will you tell Shea to

(39:21):
shut up? But he was apoplectic about the Cowboys. He
was on the verge of tears.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Yes, Dylan.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
Usually i would say he's overreacting but the way that
game went i was like this actually seems kind.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Of fair we'll do a uh danny cast one of
these uh games one of these weeks where you can
watch us watch the game and uh It was a
lot of fun last year. People reacted to it. You know,
we're just there. I'm smoking a cigar and drinking tequila
and I got. Shea there and Dylan's in there.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Big day, Ray. Yeah, Paul.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
I remember pulling up to one of those.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
I could hear yelling from the parking lot.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I was like, I know what's going on.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
You know, you're watching somebody watch a game, but I
will say the reaction was pretty great. Nick Wright's like
texting me. He goes, what are you doing? I go,
I'm watching a football game. He goes, I know, but
what is this?

Speaker 3 (40:13):
And I go, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
He goes, okay.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yes, Dylan.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
We couldn't have scripted one of those games any better
last year. We were like, we got to watch a
Cowboys game with Shea. Obviously, it was Cowboys-Packers. It ended
in a 40-40 tie.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
It was good. Who's in the confessional?

Speaker 5 (40:35):
I'm in the confessional.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Marvin, you are?

Speaker 11 (40:36):
I am. Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
We're going to talk about my boot coming off.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
You got a high ankle sprain?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
I do.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Me and A.J.

Speaker 11 (40:42):
Brown.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah. Two great athletes.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Down for the count.

Speaker 11 (40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, you're back in action before him.
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