June 5, 2026 • 41 mins
Chris Mannix is covering for DP this morning and he weighs in on the overtime thriller last night as the Hurricanes evened up the Stanley Cup Final 1-1, dispatching the Golden Knights. And Chirs and the Danettes open the discussion about Jalen Brunson’s status in the hierarchy of Knicks legends if he were to lead them to a ring.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hour two of the program Dan Patrick's Show.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Chris Mannix sitting in for DP here on a Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good to be back with the boys. One hour in
the books, two to go.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Still haven't said more than five words to Fritzy, but
uh raf to a good start here.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
We'll get there.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We'll get there. Program.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Fritzy rolls in to see me this morning, gives me
kind of a half hug. Been seven years since I've
been in a room with Todd. Fritz gives me kind
of a half hug, turns around and walks away.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It wasn't meant to be at CeNSE.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I figure you're prepping for the show and you got
things to do, and then I'm going to see you
throughout the course of the day to hopefully catch up.
I didn't think right before the show was the best time.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It was ninety minutes before the show started.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You got to read and you got stuff to, you know,
prepare for the show. You don't need to chat with
me when you need to get ready for the show.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Sow Pali comes in, asks how the house in Vermont
is doing. Asked about my kid, maybe picturey pictures looking
for it Fritzy. The follow up to Fritzie's hello was
how's it going? When I came out later? Everything good?
I think was that next thing? I know you're living
in LA or married, you got a six months old?
Things change. You guys haven't seen me in seven years.
You've cycled through different NBA people over the years. It's okay,
(01:10):
I'm not I don't. I don't tune in when I
see somebody else's face there all you know, mad and not.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I swear to god, I don't do it.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, Marvin, not me, because we've seen each other at
different boxing events when I freelanced for the Mothership. Hey man,
it's what's going on. See each other, you know, say
hi for a little bit. But more than Fritzy, though,
more than Fritzi.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, we got a good five to ten seconds when
we're crossing path these boxing events. Fritzy gives me like
three and a half seconds. I got to work on
my social skill out the door. Yeah, Dylan first starters, Todd.
Now you want to ask Chris how he's doing well.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I know that he's got a six month old today.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
As a matter of fact, six month old, married to
a former pro boxer, and he's living primarily in Los Angeles,
so I know he went to Boston College and he's very.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, he's just giving my CV there. Wikipedia. What's a birthday? Wikipedia?
Speaker 6 (01:53):
It's a birthday.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:55):
Actually, I think the when the last time Chris was here,
I think I was pressure washing the building.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's been a long time.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Yea changed, Paul Todd. What is Chris's new son's name?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I did not catch you, Nay, I did. Miles. There
we go.
Speaker 8 (02:10):
See.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I was gonna say, eminem, that's what that makes sense now.
I was gonna say some kind of eminem joke. Miles Mannix,
All right, A lot to get into here.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
In the second hour, Sam Amck the Great Rider over
at the Athletic. He'll join us in the third hour
of the show. The NHL Stanley Cup Final tied up
at one, Carolina knocks off Las Vegas in overtime. Tremendous
game last night, Panthers Panthers. Hurricanes couldn't get anything done
through two and a half periods. They wind up going
on a three goal flurry in the third win the
(02:41):
game in overtime. Terrific game. PAULI was texting me up
a storm last night, telling me to get my eyes
over to ABC to watch that Stanley Cup final. I'm
glad you did, because I don't think I would have,
you know, perusing TV over the early part of the evening,
I don't think I would have turned it back to
that game.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The Hurricanes couldn't get anything going.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But that final ten minutes is exactly why people love
watching Stanley Cup hockey.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
That was why. And it felt like it was over.
You're watching it, I think, I said before the announcers,
like Carolina could get nothing going offensively. Three goals in
seven minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Impressive, really impressive, and then some controversy there at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I learned something new watching the end of that game.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You had the situation where the puck was underneath the
Carolina goalie. The Golden Knights were kind of poking at it.
They eventually got over the line, but that goal was
overturned Paully because what was the reason given.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So I don't know the exact rules, but the rules
analysts said, once the goaltender is atop the puck and
kind of as engulfed it a top and goal. He
said those words. I'm quoting. It's kind of dead, and
the refs are blowing the whistle and you can't hear
anything because it's a madhouse down there, and the defenders,
the players for the Golden Knights are chopping at the
(03:51):
puck trying to get in there. They worked it out
and got in the goal. They counted it for a second,
then they disallowed it. And it's one of those things.
I think it was p K. Seubin said, if he
had the puck, he'd still have the puck. Why not
let it play out?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Did not have the puck in that moment they overturn
that goal might have cost the Golden Knights the game.
Now it's one to one, headed back to Las Vegas.
Game two of the NBA Finals is tonight in San Antonio.
Big big moment for the San Antonio Spurs, trying not
to go down two in that series. Big moment as
well for Jalen Brunson, who could take the Knicks to
(04:25):
one step closer to winning the first championship in fifty
three years long drought for the New York Bankers. It's
gotta be thinking about the legacy of Jalen Brunson, both
in terms of the Knicks and his legacy league wide.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
With the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
The question becomes, if Jalen Brunson leads a team to
a championship, does he become the greatest Nick of all time? Now, statistically,
he is not going to be the greatest Nick of
all time.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Patrick Ewing owns a lot of those records.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Maybe if Jalen Brunson plays five, six, seven, eight seasons
in New York, plays at this level, we might see
him put up those.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Kind of numbers.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
His scoring numbers have certainly spiked in the four years
he's played in New York, but he's never going to
I would think put up the numbers of a Ewing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Will he win multiple championships.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Like Clyde Frazier some of the other guys on that
team David Busher, I don't know. We'll see what happens,
but there's a I've heard a lot of people say
that Jalen Brunson, if he wins a championship, becomes the
greatest Nick of all time. Now, the argument I would
make is with Patrick Ewing, because Patrick Ewing was a
Nick basically for a life. We don't remember the sonics
(05:37):
and the magic stuff. We don't think about that stuff.
He is mister nick. He made the Knicks a relevant
team throughout the eighties and the early nineteen nineties. And no,
he didn't win a championship. He came up short in
the finals against the Kim Elijahwan, but he ran up
against the Bulls a lot in the playoffs. He ran
up against Reggie Miller and the Indiana Pacers in the playoffs.
(06:01):
Do we discredit the accomplishments of Patrick Ewing because he
doesn't have that championship on his resume?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And I guess that's the question.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Does a championship automatically catapult Jalen Brunson above everybody else
that's on that list? Because without the championship, where are
we putting Jalen Brunson. Are we putting him well behind Youwing?
I would think is he behind Fraser? Is he behind
the Busher? Is he on that level?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I think that the championship is what's going to springboard
Jalen Brunston to that next level.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Yeah, Paul, I think if he wins the title and
wins the MVP, he's clearly the MVP and he enters
the category almost like Joe Namath, very good player, but
he had that season where he won a title with
the Jets, you're emeritus forever in that city. Jalen Brunson
may not go down as one of the great guards
of all time. He was a slow burn. He didn't
make an All Star team un till age twenty seven.
(06:53):
Now he's perennial, but he may end up being bigger
locally than nationally. And if you win a title in
New York, wal Fraser still calling games for the next
thirty years, forty years after he did it, fifty years
after he did it, and it puts you on that
pedestal of they can't take it away from you, you know,
if he gets injured, if he doesn't finish up that
(07:14):
well in his career, this one title can never be
taken away locally.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Also, I think there's players that are beloved even by teams,
even when they don't win, and maybe particularly during particularly
long dry spells. Like I know, like as a Mets
and Rangers fan, just to use New York as an example,
like David Right for the Mets and Henrik Lundquist for
the Rangers are like.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They can do no wrong.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
And there's a whole generation that like, that's their guy,
even though neither of them won.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it's a debatable point. I would still lean towards
you in because of the accomplishments. But winning a championship
is in New York City is different from winning a
championship anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah, Marvin, if Brunston hadn't won the title, or hadn't
gotten close, or you know, made to the finals, he
would have been in that Barnard because for a stretch,
Bernard King was one of the five or six best
players in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Get how good these guys were, these non champion Knicks,
how excellent they were?
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah, Baali And but you know, Brunson's not like Kawhi
going to Toronto as a mercenary for a year and
getting one title. Kawhi is, you know, emeritus in that
country for what he did. But he was there too
short of a time. Brunson, He's going to get a
second contract. You know this better than us. He took
less money for that first contract.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Which is part of the Knicks lore of Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Him taking less money freed them up to make some
of the moves that they made, gave them some of
the cap flexibility to make the moves that have put
this team together.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, Marvin, So say if Brunson only plays two more
seasons as a nick and they won the title this year,
Jalen Brunston is gonna be Reggie Jackson. You weren't there
for long, but what you did we will never forget.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right, incredible accomplishment.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Yeah, Dylan, if they go on to win, do you
think we'll see a trend of more players may be
opting for less money to kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
No, no, no, because that was a semi rhetorical question.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
But it seems like it's crazy though, because it's been
proven in others and football and stuff too like that works.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Of course, it works if you give your team more flexibility.
And we're seeing this to some degree. Let's use let's
use Lebron as a recent example. Most of the report
that's out there says that Lebron is willing to take
a little bit less or maybe a lot less to
go back to Los Angeles, but he wants to hear
what the team is going to do with that money.
(09:34):
He doesn't want to take less just to save Mark
Walter on luxury tax penalties. He'll take less because it
means they can go out and get a three and
D guy to play alongside him, get a springy center,
do a lot, do some of the things that will
help that team.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Win a championship.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
But more often than not, guys aren't taking less money.
To even Brunson some of the comments Brunston made the
last few months, when the next deal comes around, he
ain't taken less. He ain't taken less. I think his
next deal is like four hundred million dollars. Maybe is
the high end of that deal. It's it's an enormous figure,
which for being honest, they might regret that the back
(10:10):
end of that deal.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But if he win to the championship, you gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah, Paul, you know this also works if the Knicks
end up winning this series. It works out this way
for the other guys on the roster as well. The
trickle down effect of winning a title in New York,
Like Josh Hart will never pay for a meal again,
and if he wants to work for the Knicks for
MSG network, he can do it. So for life, He's
not gonna be remembered in NBA history as like a
great player, even though he's a really tough player. But
(10:34):
like if you go back to the team I watched
the Chicago Bulls. If you play for that Bulls team,
any of those six Bulls teams, Ron Harper, Will Purdue,
Stacy King, bj Armstrong, they always have jobs in that city.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's not Yeah, it's certainly not unique to New York.
It might not even be unique to big markets. But
when you accomplish something on that level, you can do
no wrong. Brian Scalabrini is the broadcaster in Boston. He
was part of the eight championship. Scal can be a
broadcaster with the Celtics and is a fixture in Boston
(11:06):
for as long as as he wants to be. I
see Sasha Vuychik walking around Los Angeles at Laker game,
still beloved by that organization. When you accomplish something like
that in New York, I guess I would say it's
amplified because of the drought. Like if Jalen Brunson ends
this fifty plus year drought, it might be bigger than Fraser,
or at least how he's received might be bigger than
(11:28):
Fraser because there's a new generation of young fans that
are watching him play.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeahpoli, you're a Boston guy. You look at Julian Edelman,
the wide receiver, how many good games and how well
he did in the postseason. He can do whatever he
wants in that town. Now, he's probably not going to
the Hall of Fame, but in Boston he always has
a job in that city.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, yeah, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
And the thing that differentiates the Knicks from the other
teams in New York is they don't share fan base.
So it's not like all the Mets fans are mad
that the Yankees garry the Nets are I said the Mets,
I said, the Nets?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Ohas on fire right now?
Speaker 9 (12:00):
Are they?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They were the team in Brooklyn, they were in New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
They were more relevant at the Ayesod Center in East
Routh the Firs.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And that's a fact. That's a fact. I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah, Paul, how would you say that the Nets right
now are the most dysfunctional organization?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
No, No, Sacramento Zaacramento quick answer. Sacramento is the most
irrelevant team in the NBA. Like Sacramento, there's no hope.
Like right now, there is no hope for the Sacramento Kings.
That could change next couple of years. But at least
if you're the Nets, like, hey, we drafted five first
rounders last year, maybe one of them can play. We've
got another high draft pick this year, maybe he can play.
(12:36):
The Sacramento Kings have a team. I would argue that
thirteen of the probably fifteen guys on that team aren't.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Going to be there in the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
They're bringing back Doug Christy to effectively be like a
meat shield for them, and during a losing season meat shield.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Yeah, I mean, Sacramento is worse than the Wizards. In
the Nets, the Wizards have hope. The Wizards have Anthony Davis,
Trey Young, the number two overall draft pick. They've got
hope in Washington or number one overall draft pick. Sorry
this hope in Washington. There's no hope right now in Sacramento. Like,
I'm sorry, there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
None of the guys the stars there, Like does Zach
Lavine want to be there?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Does Demarge Rosen really want to be there?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
They've got a couple of good young pieces, but like
Doug Christie, if we're being honest, Doug Christy's basically there
just so they don't have to hire another coach that
will lose this year like this year is about losing
for Sacramento, which is ironic because the NBA, with this
new draft lottery reform, has punished teams that are bad.
(13:37):
So the Sacramento Kings theoretically could finish, probably will finish
with the bottom three record in the NBA, desperately in
need of a star player infusion, and they'll get relegated.
They'll get tossed right back to the back of the
first round after that. So I'm not Sacramento to me
a level below the New York Knicks. They made me
think they're talking about brunts and to bring it back
(13:58):
there for a moment elevated, So maybe the number one
spot in New York lore if they win a championship.
What does it do though, for Brunson when it comes
to his ranking among small guards in NBA history, and
for the purposes of this conversation, I'm going to say
six foot two in smaller because you go six to three,
Steph is the number one guy on that list. You
look at guards in NBA history that are six foot
(14:21):
two and smaller that have had the kind of impact
that Jalen Brunson has had.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's a very short list.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You want to go back to the fifties and sixties,
Bob Coosey gold standard for that, won multiple championships with Boston.
A little bit further down, Isaiah Thomas two championships as
the number one guy with the Detroit Pistons. Alan Iverson
the most electric player out of that group, but never
won a championship, had one shot at it, didn't win
a championship with the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Chris Paul
(14:50):
another player, six foot long career, twenty year NBA career,
decorated one of the best point guards of all time.
Nobody would dispute that. If you're making the verbial Mount
Rushmore of these young of small guards six foot two
and under, I just named you four. If Jalen Brunson
wins a championship, does he knock one of those four off?
Is there another of that belongs on that Mount Rushmore?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Yeah, Paul, I think I think I would put John
Stockton up there in the fourth spot. A long career,
a lot of assists, not spectacular, but for what he
did and how relevant he kept them, I think he's
in the mix.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
All time assists leader by a country mile like he's
one of the greats. I agree with you. Never also
never won a championship. Also, wasn't the number one guy
on his team during his years in Utah.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah, PAULI here's one that I think should have been
on there and won't is Kyrie Irving six tour under Yeah,
I think, so, what do he make your eligibility list?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think Kyrie Irving, beyond Iverson is the greatest scorer
for a player that is that size or lower. Iverson
is in a class of his own. Kyrie though, with
the ball in his hands, Kyrie Irving, I wouldn't want
anybody else as a score other than him. Won a championship,
(16:11):
of course with Cleveland. I don't know does a championship
elevate Brunson over Irving with Irving's got a championship as well,
But Irving wasn't the number one guy on that team.
He did make the biggest shot. He made that shot
in game seven. You can never take that away from him.
But that was Lebron's team. This is Jalen Brunst's team.
Everybody else is the B option, Carl Town's great player
(16:33):
B option, Josh Hart, same thing, Michale Bridges This is
Jalen Brunt's team. They need him in ways that I
don't think that the Cavs and other teams needed their players.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Yeah, ball, all right, before we break, I know we
got a break, but you and win Horse have been
calling Karl Anthony Towns, Carl Towns the past few months.
Is the Anthony gone? Can we move on from the Anthony?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I think at the start of the show, I went
Carl Anthony. But after that, for brevity's sake, I kind
of break it down you and win Horse Anthony. I'm
gone cat a while, so I throw the A in there.
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Speaker 3 (18:08):
Got a lot of people weighing in on this debate
about whether Jalen Brunson deserves to be on the Mount
rushmore of players that are six foot two and under.
We've left a lot of people off this list. I
mean we talked about John Stockton in the last hour.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Steve Nash, that's another one belongs on the list. Two
time MVP didn't win a championship, but a couple of
MVP awards belongs on that list.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Yeahpally Steve Nash officially listed at six' three oh is he?
Barred somebody's.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
LISTINGS i don't, know, Man.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
We had to trust it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Though, yeah six.', three.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah Then steve nash is off the list six, foot
three Just Like steph curry off the list six foot two.
And under stockton was under six. Foot two But If
steve nash, sixty three can't, count him doesn't belong in
the six to two. Mount rushmore did we settle on a?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Poll? Question dylan, we.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Did but twitter's being difficult so there's no. Results YET
but i have some comments on the poll our best
overtime in. Sports question we listed the four MAJOR, SPORTS, NBA, NHL.
MLB nfl a lot of the comments saying, college football
that's a very strong case, for that and playoffs, in
golf playoff At.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
The masters what do you think the worst?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Overtime, Is, YEAH paul i think IT'S the nfl because
it changes from year. TO year a casual fan does
not know the overtime rules when overtime will, happen to
like who gets? It first does the other team?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Get it what?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
YARD line i think it's it changes, So.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Much yeah the way it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Changes, bop yeah because you can't you can't track. How,
it's yeah you don't know how. It's going it's all
going to go every year. After year hockey for sure
for me would be, Number, One.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, Dylan YEAH and i THINK the NHLs are the NFL's,
problem too is, it's like by comparison to, college football
it's such a worse format that it's like everyone, just
like just change, if anything just chang to do The college,
FOR me i know you can't really, do that but
like they.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Can improve it because it kind of ends.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Up unfair people feel like they got cheated a.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Little, bit now do you like The big do you
like it when baseball GOES like i like it when
they go like if they go, THIRTY innings i, Love
it like sign me up. FOR that i would love
to be at a game that goes like eighteen nineteen.
Twenty innings they've kind of gotten away from that with,
These rules like do we do we like that in the?
Room here do we think that's or do we like
the put a guy on second base and speed this?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
GAME up i?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Hate, That YEAH and i think like that, those long,
you know, fifteen sixteen seventeen inning games are so infrequent
that it's kind of it's cool when it happened in.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The morning i'm more of like just, Baseball, generally like
give me a one nothing game over a seven to
six game.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
EVERY time i want a great pitchers tool because it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Moves right like baseball is already a quicker paced game
because of the. Pitch clock but give me like a,
two hour one nothing game that ends the. Ninth inn it,
has suspense that. HAS drama i don't need to see.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Home runs it works on.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
YOUR schedule, I mean i just think it's it's, to
me it's just a little bit. More compelling it's a
little bit more interesting to. See, That, yeah marvin what.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
About a, picture's duel but it's lots of strikeouts as
opposed to a bunch of groundouts. And, POPOUTS yeah i like,
that too no, matter what just a, picture's duel, pictures
due no.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Matter, what yeah, oh yeah either, EITHER way i want
a good see a good. Pictures.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Duel.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah probably college football.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Is overtime i'm college football is my, favorite sport but
the overhead time is still it has that hokey feel.
To it you get the ball at the three and
now it's even a little change where you get a
couple of shots at the end zone for, a touchdown
and then it becomes these two point. Conversion series, after
that it's it's fair.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
But.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
HOKEY yeah i like the college FOOTBALL when i like slop.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Mode the thirty. Yard line put, them there let them
keep going back. And forth some of. THESE overtimes i
love when these, games end like nine, overtime games like,
all right didn't really go nine over, time yet just
nine possessions. Either WAY but i think college football's. Got
it they figured out their.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Overtime rules it's.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Pretty INTERESTING the nfl a little bit less interesting, hockey
though sudden death immediate the way that game Ended With
Caroline las vegas, last night that's the best way.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
To, Go, yeah fritzy what about soccer where they add
these random?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
EXTRA minutes, i see now you're going outside. My field,
right now you're now you're way outside.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
MY field i.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Find that Maybe because i'm not a big, soccer guy
but the fact that that they don't have a specific amount,
of time you don't know when exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's, gonna end is very bizarre. AND uncoming i find
that bizarre.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
As, Well, yeah pauly now that is. Not overtime that
is called. Stoppage time so, the game the match is.
NINETY minutes, I get i'd.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
See this is like a.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
RABBIT hole i don't really want, TO like i Get
what fritzy, is saying and it drives me. Crazy too
why can't they just stop the clock and end? The
game it's supposed to, be ended but again that just,
goes down goes to a very.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Dark place, three.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Minutes, nine minutes we're adding twelve minutes in. The middle
all of, a sudden it. Just ends just like football
has you can have a two. Minute drill you can't
have that in soccer because it just suddenly ends without
any kind of.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Fair warning and it's about, the end? All right?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Say It, From monday fritzy eight seven SEVEN three dp
shows the phone number EMAIL address dp At dan patrick.
Dot com let's take a few Phone calls Chris. And
syracuse you kiss kick as, Off Here.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Chris hey, Thank You. Chris. Hey chris in, the open
you Mentioned the knicks had fifty points in. THE paint
a lot of those points seemed like they Were when
wemby was on. The Bench the knicks played totally Different
when wemby was Out till bruntson started to. Heat up,
and also okayc Having X Nick isaiah Hartenstein With. CHET
holmgrem i love that setup for both. OF them, i
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mean they're, much better but it kind of reminds me
of The old knicks when they Had The Twin Towers
marvin Webster And. Bill cartwright one was more about defense
in the other.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
One, offense yeah thanks for the, Phone.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
CALL.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Chris i they did have a lot of Points When
luke cornette was in, the Game But wembin yama PLAYED
like i want, to say thirty eight ish minutes he
was out there in. THE paint i Though the knicks
did a pretty good job of dragging him away from.
The Rim Defending Karl, anthony towns you've got to defend,
the Three and wemby is really good at weak. Side
defense he can. Get back he can defend the three
for a while then get back in the paint. Contest
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SHOTS but I think kat presents obviously a much different
type of Opponent That isaiah. Hartenstein is hartenstein is a paint.
Oriented player When Web beIN yama is, defending him he
can hang out on. The paint when You're, defending kat
you gotta hang out on The prima usse is going
to burn you during, These games Sam And, saint louis
you got a thought on the six foot two?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
In, underlist yes, excuse, me, yes sir.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
GOOD morning i would Pick, made. ARCHIBALD kindie, i mean
if he led the league in scoring in assists the
same year he won, a championship he would definitely be
on my six to two AND.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Underwst h that's a, Good, one sam thanks for the.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Phone call there's a lot Of guys i'm sure, we're
missing especially when, you get, you know past four. Nineteen
ninety there's a lot Of guys i'm sure that belong on.
That List tiny archibald absolutely belongs on. That list it's interesting,
to like how do we? Measure championships how much credit
do We? Give brunston if you Lead The New york
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knicks to a Championship Over victor wembinyam.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
In The San.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Antonio spurs we talked about elevating Him Over patrick ewing
perhaps as The best knick of. All time we bumped
one of these greats off the all time six to two.
AND underlist i don't really know the answer. That question
subjective Question there aaron And, fort wayne you're up Next.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
To, Aaron, Hey well i'm thanks for taking, My, call
CHRIS but i Always Forgetting. ISAIAH thomas i mean. TWO championships,
i mean pretty great guy From The indiana. University there
but what DOES what i want to say is What
does spurs have? TO do i mean they got to
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come Out Like mike tyson and just punch him in.
The mouth and that's going to be a lot harder
to do than, it seems JUST because I mean I
watched antonobi in college and that guy can crack a
walnut between. His thighs and, You Know josh hart plays
like a power forward, out there the way he's grabbing those.
(25:50):
Rebounds everywhere it's going to be tough For, the spurs
but every single guy has to. Be ENGAGED and i
do have like a Comp for Paul With. RUSSELL wilson
i was watching the next game the other DAY and,
i Thought Like russell Wilson and brunson they have like
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similar type of. Like games, you know it's like you're
watching these guys and, you're thinking how is he? Doing
this like how is he getting the ball in the basket?
Like this and you Know Without, russell wilson you know
flank into the sideline that defense wouldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So, good yeah We Have isaiah thomas on our, initial
list so he's there. For sure two Championships, IN, detroit
pauli what do you think of that Comp With russell
Wilson And.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
JALEN brent i.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Think we hit that a little Bit on WEDNESDAY. With
Dp Like russell wilson came INTO the nfl as not a,
hot prospect a really good, college player but it's almost
like he didn't fit the mold of, six five two.
Thirty gunslinger so he went To the seahawks in the.
Third round he found his way and even now people, are,
like well he's not, that great but the stats don't pare. That,
out brunson he was awesome, in college but it didn't
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translate to the. Pro draft you covered the draft and
he was not, you know no one, wanted him no one,
desired him even When the knicks, got him like we're
settling for him and it's almost like he doesn't fit
the part because he can't sky over the rim and things.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
LIKE that, i, think well, we underestimated and, BY we
i mean everybody IN, the nba because everybody Passed On.
Jalen Brunston The dallas mavericks could Have Had jalen brunson
on a, four year fifty five million dollar deal early
in twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Twenty one they could have gone over.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
One hundred million dollars to sign him in the summer
of twenty. Twenty two what people Missed about brunson was.
The footwork AND when i Look, AT brunson i like
in that footwork some of the great boxers that have,
Covered historically like he has the footwork Of A Floyd.
Mayweather junior he has the footwork Of A. Muhammad ali
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like he's that he's that special when it comes to,
His feet like he doesn't shoot over anybody in terms.
Of elevation he's not overpowering you IN the i ain't
even though he is a. Strong guy his ability to,
change directions to move to, create angles that's What Makes jalen.
Brunton special and we didn't appreciate that before. The draft
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we went in the second round And The dallas mavericks
and everybody else that a Shot At. Jalen brunson it
wasn't just the next that the Crack At. Jalen brunston
anybody could have taken or taken a flyer on him
gone and overpaid to go and. Get him they didn't
appreciate the footwork and how that would make him a great.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Offensive, Player, yeah paul.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Even what you're, saying there it proves. Your point like
coming out, of college like no one gets on social,
media says look at the footwork on that Guy, FROM
villanova i can't wait to watch his footwork on the. Next,
level no we want to Watch His zion Williamson at
duke and say.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's the guy we got. To have you look at
the handles of. A player that's What Made kyrie. Irving
Special kyrie irving is the best Ball handler i've. Ever
seen like he is great with. The basketball alan iverson
speed electricity did a lot of. Things Special jalen brunson
coming out of college did not do a lot of.
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Things special what he does special is he's got.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Great feet and watch some of. These Games watch game.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Two tonight watch how he gets to, The basket watch
how we change, His direction watch how he gets his.
Shot up how does this guy who is six foot
two get his shot over guys that are, six', six six'
seven sometimes. Shooting over bigger guys his ability to do that,
comes down to, footwork.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And he's excellent excellent at that and that's. What, Makes, Him,
SPECIAL yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Dylan yeah i think the kind of like initial critiques
of small guards is similar TO, quarterbacks in the nfl
where there there's sort of like these unwritten rules that
you can be, below a certain hype but Then There's
like the Drew Breeses and the russell wilson's to use
the bruns and thing that come along and. KIND of,
disprove That, I mean even steph i think like at, first,
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people are like ah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He's a little small.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Two point Guards Were, drafted over steph curry Both Drafted,
By Your minnesota timberwolves johnny Flynn And My. Guy, Ricardo,
ricky rubio yeah paul.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
We like to go back and look at draft profiles
on the show because they don't match a. Lot what
happened afterwards and The Draft profile on steph curry's high,
end spot up shooter like the highest end of, your
spot up shooter and you can't find a lot of
people who picked.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Him, to be great no not to go, down another
rabbit hole but this is kind of ONE of the
problems i have WITH at least. THE nba draft process
i CAN'T speak to the, nfl in other SPORTS but in,
the nba draft process sometimes we don't believe what our.
Eyes are telling us and our Eyes Told us that
jalen brunson was a brilliant player. On The biggest stages,
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jalen brunson was outstanding and yet he goes all the
way to the Second round because what teams didn't believe
he was athletic enough to. Be a great player teams
didn't believe. He WAS dynamic enough like i just we
don't believe what our.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Eyes.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Are telling us sometimes that happens A. LOT in the
NBA i think the ncaa tournament is a great proving
ground for a. Lot of these players like if YOU have,
A great ncuba turn i don't just dismiss that as
a guy having a good.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Six or seven games you were playing.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
At the highest level of college, basketball and you're succeeding
that should be top. Of The scouting report if i'm
preparing to draft A. Guy, In, The nba yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Paul i've got The Draft profile of jalen brunson coming
to college from, a high end analyst, A person you
know i'm not Gonna give names and they project him
as a, high, end point, guard. Backup combo guard backup
they said he's a little old to come into the
league and we may have seen everything all of what
one twenty two when he, started his rookie year they
said he, was a heavy. Footed lumpy point guard lumpy.
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Was a, word us, it's tough tough word and it.
Just it's very negative it, says great college career. A
very stable player you can count on him a great
role player for. A good team. Someday but it doesn't
there's nothing in here that says he COULD be a. Great,
Nba combo GUARD yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Marvin might i have the.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Same issue as you they always, picked the best athletes
but they never picked. The best basketball players, sometimes, when
it's like man these guys are. Hiding in playing sight
the only time to me he's really like worked Out
Is when like russell westbury, Got picked, fourth overall like
man the AVERAGE, ten points at ucla but look, at
him jump out jump, out Of The. Gym org zach
levine guys like that that are phenomenal athletes but then.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Really, Produce, in College.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah eve with westbrook like he it was a risk
when They Took.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Him in oklahoma city but he, did have the athleticism he,
did Have The, size and oklahoma, city to their credit
believed he could. Be a point guard he was split
in the Point Guard Dudies with darren collison back IN.
The day at ucla he wasn't viewed as a long term,
fit at point guard but he was six foot five
and one of the best. ATHLETES we'll ever see i just,
think too, many times even now even After The, SUCCESS
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of jalen brunson nba front officers are gonna get bogged
down by things that have nothing, to do with, basketball like, heightened,
athleticism super athleticism, Speed things like that like give me
the guy that's proven at the highest level possible that,
he can Play Basketball. And that's Jalen brunson guys like
jaileen bruns that should, never be passed on at least
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to the extent.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
He, Was, Passed, ON again yeah dylan.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean you SEE it with.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
The nfl combine too it's like, This is all, arbitrary
like that's great you. Ran a, fast forty it's like
how often does that directly translate to what you end up.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Doing on.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
THE field, almost never i mean like it, just doesn't
really matter just kind of more of, a, spectacle of like.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
OH look, at that i mean.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
There's just so many draft, misses over the years and you,
can't bat a thousand and even the great gms. Don't
Bat a thousand sam presty's had some. Misses over the
years all the, other greats have Missed But, missing on
jalen brunson who was, a phenomenal college Player player Of the,
year those Villanova Days The national college Basketball, player of
the year.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
And you're gonna let him get. To the second round,
he was? THE runner was he i think he was
two Years.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Before he left dallas he was top five, and sixth
man voting and you're gonna. Let him skip down you
don'tant to offer four years. Fifty five million dollars it.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Wasn't That long ago poor Dallas could Have Had luca
and jalen brunson tough. Beat for the match ye.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
It's apples An Orangest but Remember Draymond. Green, AT michigan
state yeah i think He Was Two time big Ten
player of the year and he couldn't get drafted in THE.
First twenty five pi it.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Doesn't Always Work out like frank kaminski comes to mind
as someone that was a great college player but didn't PAN. Out,
in the nba Sorry Soon, shout out frank kminsky but
didn't didn't turn out to, Be A, Great, Player, sam
decker sorry paul another one of those guys like my squad,
doesn't always work out but sometimes just believe what your.
Eyes are, showing you guys like if you see a
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great player making great plays, on a big stage don't
use the combine or interviews to justify passing on.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Him in, the.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Draft all right eight SEVEN to seven three dp shows
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Of the next hour we're also going To Talk, about the,
indiana fever, the good the. Bad and the ugly when
It Comes to the indiana FEVER. And the w nba.
That's all up Next This Is.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
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Speaker 3 (35:06):
Fever get, The Win last night caitlin Clark's Solid, game
for kaitlin, clark not her, best not her worst but
she did have an explanation as to why she wasn't. On,
HER best game.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Yeah i, mean A little sick. BUT i don't know
i tried to eat some apple sauce and then, it
just came up and then everything else in my, Stomach
ALSO came UP so i thought i, was gonna STAY
down and then i, found a. Trash CAN thank god
and i haven't picked out much in, a really LONG
time so. THEN i felt, Fine I felt light so
i was running around feeling good, in THE second half.
(35:42):
But i feel oka obviously was my, voice A little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
But i'll be good let me tell you that is
the Most Relatable thing that caitlin. Clark has ever, Said,
WHO amongst US well i guess, i should ask this
who amongst us has?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Never boot and rallied.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
We. Got two of them fifty percent of a guy have.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not, Boot. And rally yeah, Marvin so this.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Morning paulie, sends, me an email Ak you get the clark,
Boot AND rally comment and i looked up ON, SOCIAL
media x Ig I googled it Caitlin CLARK boot and
rally i was looking for her to say the term
boot And rally and then paulie sends. ME the actual, clip,
i was like oh like throw up and then. GET
(36:23):
back out, there, I was like man i did. Not
live a life you.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
DIDN'T live, That lifestyle i mean i've lost track of
the number of Times on boot and rallih haven't done,
it in several years hopefully. More than several, years but
uh yeah it was once a fixture.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
Of, My.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
College life yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Pably it's almost like she wanted to. Tell it the
story she wasn't like.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Hot, WANT the transparency. Yeah i love it she wanted. To, Say,
THAT story yeah fritzy i Thought it was.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
About fever fans that they wear these special boots to
kind of get the team, to rally from behind like
a rally cap where a Rally monkey like the angels Had.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Have boot and rally Night at.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
The next fever game well that might encourage some, pretty
hard drinking there like an award for who, Doesn't boot
and ral like, IF you do boot I don't, know
that's i mean that's a good.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Way to sell beer if.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
You're in, the in the venue drink as much as you.
Can before you boot and then. You have to rally
booting rally is not, a great thing either not a. Not,
a fun thing efforts.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But if you play For, a team called fever. You
might vomit eventually you would think that that you thought
that sick. Once, in a while yeah That's at least
twice I've. Regretted calling on fritzy that's a couple of
that's a couple of Time. Plays with the fever she's.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Going To throw off caitlin clark still a big STORY,
in the w nba. And for good reason she's a lot.
Of fun to watch she IS the reason THAT i.
Watch W nba games but i got to address this
because it came up over the, LAST, couple of Days
Uh when the indiana fever revoked the credential of one
of the reporters that. Is covering the team The Report's,
(37:45):
name is scott agnes who's been an Independent reporter out
of indiana for Some, time covered The, pacers covered the
fever Also worked for the, PACERS.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
For some time uh and he had his credential.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
REVOKED this past week i guess he revealed it this
past week because he tweeted out Some Information that the
Indiana fever, disagreed with last month They tweeted out that
clark was out of A Game against the portland. Fire
citing load management it's. Not An outrageous claim caitlin clark
has been injured for the better part of the. Last
couple of years she's been. Dealing with multiple things last
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season was kind of A. Lost cause for clark now
she's got a back issue. She's been Dealing With while
the indiana fever, took issue with that they refuted the
reporting and then they decided to Revoke The. Credential Of
scott agnes so i'm not going to weigne In. THE
particulars of scott i don't. KNOW him that well i
know Him. FROM being around indiana i know he's had
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Some issues with the, pacers in THE past with the.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Nba in the.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Past my issue IS more with the wnba RITT, large because,
the wnba to me they continue to prove that they
are not. Ready for THIS moment like the wnba of
the last three years. Is having a moment it Has Been.
Fueled by caitlin clark she has brought in MORE eyeballs
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than the.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Wnba has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Ticket, Sales skyrocketed and look i'm not dismissing THE accomplishments.
Of other wnba players, these are great players but the.
Facts are the facts the casual fan Tunes In. To
watch kaitlyn clark the number though of OWN goals, that
the wnba has the number of rakes that they step
(39:27):
on consistently. Is just mind blowing you have this sense
situation with the. Fever revoking the credentials certainly a reprimand
or a public rebuking probably.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Would have been enough they didn't need.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
To revoke the credential they. Decided to do it and now,
This is the story this is what. People are talking
about they made a mountain out, of a molehill here
and that just shows to me they're. Not ready for
it Goes Even, further LIKE kathy, engelbert the wnba commissioner
when She Reportedly said that caitlin clark should be grateful
for THE platform. That the wnba provides Could Can you
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imagine adam Silver Saying That about shay Gildas alexander Or Nicolea,
Jokic or jalen brunson now that any one of them
should be grateful for the platform. That they're, being provided.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Come on come on it.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Goes DEEPER than that like i took issue as a
Reporter With how the dallas Stars Dealt with The page,
becker's asy fudd situation cutting, off the reporter again making
a mountain out. Of a mole hill let the young.
Woman answer the question she probably would have had one
ready to. Go answer the question, everybody moves on instead,
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you make that comment you, cut the reporter off and
that's the story.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
For like three.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Days they just continue to show me that they're not
ready for this level. That THEY'RE rising to the wnba.
Is hot right now PEOPLE. ARE watching the wnb i
was telling you, guys before the show Like Last year when,
Caitlin clark did play i'm Looking For, Like the ion
network i'm looking To find HER. Anywhere i'm watching Nbc
I'm watching anywhere caitlin. CLARK is playing basketball i WANT
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to see because I Want to watch kaitlyn clark for
the same reasons that It Wanted to watch steph curry.
Back in the day she does. Things that are unique
People Shot. Threes before steph curry They Shot. Threes before
caitlin clark they Didn't Shoot. Them like steph curry.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
They Don't Shoot.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Them LIKE kitlyn clark the wnba has to get out.
Of its own way be. Ready for this moment it's
only going to get bigger AND. Better for the wnba
you cannot be stepping on all.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
These rakes as.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Regularly As, They are, all right sam amck Great. Writer
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hour two of the program Dan Patrick's Show.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Chris Mannix sitting in for DP here on a Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good to be back with the boys. One hour in
the books, two to go.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Still haven't said more than five words to Fritzy, but
uh raf to a good start here.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
We'll get there.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We'll get there. Program.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Fritzy rolls in to see me this morning, gives me
kind of a half hug. Been seven years since I've
been in a room with Todd. Fritz gives me kind
of a half hug, turns around and walks away.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It wasn't meant to be at CeNSE.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I figure you're prepping for the show and you got
things to do, and then I'm going to see you
throughout the course of the day to hopefully catch up.
I didn't think right before the show was the best time.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It was ninety minutes before the show started.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You got to read and you got stuff to, you know,
prepare for the show. You don't need to chat with
me when you need to get ready for the show.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Sow Pali comes in, asks how the house in Vermont
is doing. Asked about my kid, maybe picturey pictures looking
for it Fritzy. The follow up to Fritzie's hello was
how's it going? When I came out later? Everything good?
I think was that next thing? I know you're living
in LA or married, you got a six months old?
Things change. You guys haven't seen me in seven years.
You've cycled through different NBA people over the years. It's okay,
(01:10):
I'm not I don't. I don't tune in when I
see somebody else's face there all you know, mad and not.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I swear to god, I don't do it.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, Marvin, not me, because we've seen each other at
different boxing events when I freelanced for the Mothership. Hey man,
it's what's going on. See each other, you know, say
hi for a little bit. But more than Fritzy, though,
more than Fritzi.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, we got a good five to ten seconds when
we're crossing path these boxing events. Fritzy gives me like
three and a half seconds. I got to work on
my social skill out the door. Yeah, Dylan first starters, Todd.
Now you want to ask Chris how he's doing well.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I know that he's got a six month old today.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
As a matter of fact, six month old, married to
a former pro boxer, and he's living primarily in Los Angeles,
so I know he went to Boston College and he's very.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, he's just giving my CV there. Wikipedia. What's a birthday? Wikipedia?
Speaker 6 (01:53):
It's a birthday.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:55):
Actually, I think the when the last time Chris was here,
I think I was pressure washing the building.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's been a long time.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Yea changed, Paul Todd. What is Chris's new son's name?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I did not catch you, Nay, I did. Miles. There
we go.
Speaker 8 (02:10):
See.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I was gonna say, eminem, that's what that makes sense now.
I was gonna say some kind of eminem joke. Miles Mannix,
All right, A lot to get into here.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
In the second hour, Sam Amck the Great Rider over
at the Athletic. He'll join us in the third hour
of the show. The NHL Stanley Cup Final tied up
at one, Carolina knocks off Las Vegas in overtime. Tremendous
game last night, Panthers Panthers. Hurricanes couldn't get anything done
through two and a half periods. They wind up going
on a three goal flurry in the third win the
(02:41):
game in overtime. Terrific game. PAULI was texting me up
a storm last night, telling me to get my eyes
over to ABC to watch that Stanley Cup final. I'm
glad you did, because I don't think I would have,
you know, perusing TV over the early part of the evening,
I don't think I would have turned it back to
that game.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The Hurricanes couldn't get anything going.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But that final ten minutes is exactly why people love
watching Stanley Cup hockey.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
That was why. And it felt like it was over.
You're watching it, I think, I said before the announcers,
like Carolina could get nothing going offensively. Three goals in
seven minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Impressive, really impressive, and then some controversy there at the end.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I learned something new watching the end of that game.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You had the situation where the puck was underneath the
Carolina goalie. The Golden Knights were kind of poking at it.
They eventually got over the line, but that goal was
overturned Paully because what was the reason given.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So I don't know the exact rules, but the rules
analysts said, once the goaltender is atop the puck and
kind of as engulfed it a top and goal. He
said those words. I'm quoting. It's kind of dead, and
the refs are blowing the whistle and you can't hear
anything because it's a madhouse down there, and the defenders,
the players for the Golden Knights are chopping at the
(03:51):
puck trying to get in there. They worked it out
and got in the goal. They counted it for a second,
then they disallowed it. And it's one of those things.
I think it was p K. Seubin said, if he
had the puck, he'd still have the puck. Why not
let it play out?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Did not have the puck in that moment they overturn
that goal might have cost the Golden Knights the game.
Now it's one to one, headed back to Las Vegas.
Game two of the NBA Finals is tonight in San Antonio.
Big big moment for the San Antonio Spurs, trying not
to go down two in that series. Big moment as
well for Jalen Brunson, who could take the Knicks to
(04:25):
one step closer to winning the first championship in fifty
three years long drought for the New York Bankers. It's
gotta be thinking about the legacy of Jalen Brunson, both
in terms of the Knicks and his legacy league wide.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
With the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
The question becomes, if Jalen Brunson leads a team to
a championship, does he become the greatest Nick of all time? Now, statistically,
he is not going to be the greatest Nick of
all time.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Patrick Ewing owns a lot of those records.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Maybe if Jalen Brunson plays five, six, seven, eight seasons
in New York, plays at this level, we might see
him put up those.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Kind of numbers.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
His scoring numbers have certainly spiked in the four years
he's played in New York, but he's never going to
I would think put up the numbers of a Ewing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Will he win multiple championships.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Like Clyde Frazier some of the other guys on that
team David Busher, I don't know. We'll see what happens,
but there's a I've heard a lot of people say
that Jalen Brunson, if he wins a championship, becomes the
greatest Nick of all time. Now, the argument I would
make is with Patrick Ewing, because Patrick Ewing was a
Nick basically for a life. We don't remember the sonics
(05:37):
and the magic stuff. We don't think about that stuff.
He is mister nick. He made the Knicks a relevant
team throughout the eighties and the early nineteen nineties. And no,
he didn't win a championship. He came up short in
the finals against the Kim Elijahwan, but he ran up
against the Bulls a lot in the playoffs. He ran
up against Reggie Miller and the Indiana Pacers in the playoffs.
(06:01):
Do we discredit the accomplishments of Patrick Ewing because he
doesn't have that championship on his resume?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And I guess that's the question.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Does a championship automatically catapult Jalen Brunson above everybody else
that's on that list? Because without the championship, where are
we putting Jalen Brunson. Are we putting him well behind Youwing?
I would think is he behind Fraser? Is he behind
the Busher? Is he on that level?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I think that the championship is what's going to springboard
Jalen Brunston to that next level.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Yeah, Paul, I think if he wins the title and
wins the MVP, he's clearly the MVP and he enters
the category almost like Joe Namath, very good player, but
he had that season where he won a title with
the Jets, you're emeritus forever in that city. Jalen Brunson
may not go down as one of the great guards
of all time. He was a slow burn. He didn't
make an All Star team un till age twenty seven.
(06:53):
Now he's perennial, but he may end up being bigger
locally than nationally. And if you win a title in
New York, wal Fraser still calling games for the next
thirty years, forty years after he did it, fifty years
after he did it, and it puts you on that
pedestal of they can't take it away from you, you know,
if he gets injured, if he doesn't finish up that
(07:14):
well in his career, this one title can never be
taken away locally.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Also, I think there's players that are beloved even by teams,
even when they don't win, and maybe particularly during particularly
long dry spells. Like I know, like as a Mets
and Rangers fan, just to use New York as an example,
like David Right for the Mets and Henrik Lundquist for
the Rangers are like.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They can do no wrong.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
And there's a whole generation that like, that's their guy,
even though neither of them won.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it's a debatable point. I would still lean towards
you in because of the accomplishments. But winning a championship
is in New York City is different from winning a
championship anywhere else.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah, Marvin, if Brunston hadn't won the title, or hadn't
gotten close, or you know, made to the finals, he
would have been in that Barnard because for a stretch,
Bernard King was one of the five or six best
players in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Get how good these guys were, these non champion Knicks,
how excellent they were?
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah, Baali And but you know, Brunson's not like Kawhi
going to Toronto as a mercenary for a year and
getting one title. Kawhi is, you know, emeritus in that
country for what he did. But he was there too
short of a time. Brunson, He's going to get a
second contract. You know this better than us. He took
less money for that first contract.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Which is part of the Knicks lore of Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Him taking less money freed them up to make some
of the moves that they made, gave them some of
the cap flexibility to make the moves that have put
this team together.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, Marvin, So say if Brunson only plays two more
seasons as a nick and they won the title this year,
Jalen Brunston is gonna be Reggie Jackson. You weren't there
for long, but what you did we will never forget.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right, incredible accomplishment.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Yeah, Dylan, if they go on to win, do you
think we'll see a trend of more players may be
opting for less money to kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
No, no, no, because that was a semi rhetorical question.
Speaker 7 (09:07):
But it seems like it's crazy though, because it's been
proven in others and football and stuff too like that works.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Of course, it works if you give your team more flexibility.
And we're seeing this to some degree. Let's use let's
use Lebron as a recent example. Most of the report
that's out there says that Lebron is willing to take
a little bit less or maybe a lot less to
go back to Los Angeles, but he wants to hear
what the team is going to do with that money.
(09:34):
He doesn't want to take less just to save Mark
Walter on luxury tax penalties. He'll take less because it
means they can go out and get a three and
D guy to play alongside him, get a springy center,
do a lot, do some of the things that will
help that team.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Win a championship.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
But more often than not, guys aren't taking less money.
To even Brunson some of the comments Brunston made the
last few months, when the next deal comes around, he
ain't taken less. He ain't taken less. I think his
next deal is like four hundred million dollars. Maybe is
the high end of that deal. It's it's an enormous figure,
which for being honest, they might regret that the back
(10:10):
end of that deal.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But if he win to the championship, you gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah, Paul, you know this also works if the Knicks
end up winning this series. It works out this way
for the other guys on the roster as well. The
trickle down effect of winning a title in New York,
Like Josh Hart will never pay for a meal again,
and if he wants to work for the Knicks for
MSG network, he can do it. So for life, He's
not gonna be remembered in NBA history as like a
great player, even though he's a really tough player. But
(10:34):
like if you go back to the team I watched
the Chicago Bulls. If you play for that Bulls team,
any of those six Bulls teams, Ron Harper, Will Purdue,
Stacy King, bj Armstrong, they always have jobs in that city.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's not Yeah, it's certainly not unique to New York.
It might not even be unique to big markets. But
when you accomplish something on that level, you can do
no wrong. Brian Scalabrini is the broadcaster in Boston. He
was part of the eight championship. Scal can be a
broadcaster with the Celtics and is a fixture in Boston
(11:06):
for as long as as he wants to be. I
see Sasha Vuychik walking around Los Angeles at Laker game,
still beloved by that organization. When you accomplish something like
that in New York, I guess I would say it's
amplified because of the drought. Like if Jalen Brunson ends
this fifty plus year drought, it might be bigger than Fraser,
or at least how he's received might be bigger than
(11:28):
Fraser because there's a new generation of young fans that
are watching him play.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeahpoli, you're a Boston guy. You look at Julian Edelman,
the wide receiver, how many good games and how well
he did in the postseason. He can do whatever he
wants in that town. Now, he's probably not going to
the Hall of Fame, but in Boston he always has
a job in that city.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, yeah, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
And the thing that differentiates the Knicks from the other
teams in New York is they don't share fan base.
So it's not like all the Mets fans are mad
that the Yankees garry the Nets are I said the Mets,
I said, the Nets?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Ohas on fire right now?
Speaker 9 (12:00):
Are they?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
They were the team in Brooklyn, they were in New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
They were more relevant at the Ayesod Center in East
Routh the Firs.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And that's a fact. That's a fact. I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah, Paul, how would you say that the Nets right
now are the most dysfunctional organization?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
No, No, Sacramento Zaacramento quick answer. Sacramento is the most
irrelevant team in the NBA. Like Sacramento, there's no hope.
Like right now, there is no hope for the Sacramento Kings.
That could change next couple of years. But at least
if you're the Nets, like, hey, we drafted five first
rounders last year, maybe one of them can play. We've
got another high draft pick this year, maybe he can play.
(12:36):
The Sacramento Kings have a team. I would argue that
thirteen of the probably fifteen guys on that team aren't.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Going to be there in the next couple of years.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
They're bringing back Doug Christy to effectively be like a
meat shield for them, and during a losing season meat shield.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Yeah, I mean, Sacramento is worse than the Wizards. In
the Nets, the Wizards have hope. The Wizards have Anthony Davis,
Trey Young, the number two overall draft pick. They've got
hope in Washington or number one overall draft pick. Sorry
this hope in Washington. There's no hope right now in Sacramento. Like,
I'm sorry, there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
None of the guys the stars there, Like does Zach
Lavine want to be there?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Does Demarge Rosen really want to be there?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
They've got a couple of good young pieces, but like
Doug Christie, if we're being honest, Doug Christy's basically there
just so they don't have to hire another coach that
will lose this year like this year is about losing
for Sacramento, which is ironic because the NBA, with this
new draft lottery reform, has punished teams that are bad.
(13:37):
So the Sacramento Kings theoretically could finish, probably will finish
with the bottom three record in the NBA, desperately in
need of a star player infusion, and they'll get relegated.
They'll get tossed right back to the back of the
first round after that. So I'm not Sacramento to me
a level below the New York Knicks. They made me
think they're talking about brunts and to bring it back
(13:58):
there for a moment elevated, So maybe the number one
spot in New York lore if they win a championship.
What does it do though, for Brunson when it comes
to his ranking among small guards in NBA history, and
for the purposes of this conversation, I'm going to say
six foot two in smaller because you go six to three,
Steph is the number one guy on that list. You
look at guards in NBA history that are six foot
(14:21):
two and smaller that have had the kind of impact
that Jalen Brunson has had.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's a very short list.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You want to go back to the fifties and sixties,
Bob Coosey gold standard for that, won multiple championships with Boston.
A little bit further down, Isaiah Thomas two championships as
the number one guy with the Detroit Pistons. Alan Iverson
the most electric player out of that group, but never
won a championship, had one shot at it, didn't win
a championship with the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Chris Paul
(14:50):
another player, six foot long career, twenty year NBA career,
decorated one of the best point guards of all time.
Nobody would dispute that. If you're making the verbial Mount
Rushmore of these young of small guards six foot two
and under, I just named you four. If Jalen Brunson
wins a championship, does he knock one of those four off?
Is there another of that belongs on that Mount Rushmore?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Yeah, Paul, I think I think I would put John
Stockton up there in the fourth spot. A long career,
a lot of assists, not spectacular, but for what he
did and how relevant he kept them, I think he's
in the mix.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
All time assists leader by a country mile like he's
one of the greats. I agree with you. Never also
never won a championship. Also, wasn't the number one guy
on his team during his years in Utah.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah, PAULI here's one that I think should have been
on there and won't is Kyrie Irving six tour under Yeah,
I think, so, what do he make your eligibility list?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think Kyrie Irving, beyond Iverson is the greatest scorer
for a player that is that size or lower. Iverson
is in a class of his own. Kyrie though, with
the ball in his hands, Kyrie Irving, I wouldn't want
anybody else as a score other than him. Won a championship,
(16:11):
of course with Cleveland. I don't know does a championship
elevate Brunson over Irving with Irving's got a championship as well,
But Irving wasn't the number one guy on that team.
He did make the biggest shot. He made that shot
in game seven. You can never take that away from him.
But that was Lebron's team. This is Jalen Brunst's team.
Everybody else is the B option, Carl Town's great player
(16:33):
B option, Josh Hart, same thing, Michale Bridges This is
Jalen Brunt's team. They need him in ways that I
don't think that the Cavs and other teams needed their players.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Yeah, ball, all right, before we break, I know we
got a break, but you and win Horse have been
calling Karl Anthony Towns, Carl Towns the past few months.
Is the Anthony gone? Can we move on from the Anthony?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I think at the start of the show, I went
Carl Anthony. But after that, for brevity's sake, I kind
of break it down you and win Horse Anthony. I'm
gone cat a while, so I throw the A in there.
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Speaker 3 (18:08):
Got a lot of people weighing in on this debate
about whether Jalen Brunson deserves to be on the Mount
rushmore of players that are six foot two and under.
We've left a lot of people off this list. I
mean we talked about John Stockton in the last hour.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Steve Nash, that's another one belongs on the list. Two
time MVP didn't win a championship, but a couple of
MVP awards belongs on that list.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Yeahpally Steve Nash officially listed at six' three oh is he?
Barred somebody's.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
LISTINGS i don't, know, Man.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
We had to trust it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Though, yeah six.', three.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah Then steve nash is off the list six, foot
three Just Like steph curry off the list six foot two.
And under stockton was under six. Foot two But If
steve nash, sixty three can't, count him doesn't belong in
the six to two. Mount rushmore did we settle on a?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Poll? Question dylan, we.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Did but twitter's being difficult so there's no. Results YET
but i have some comments on the poll our best
overtime in. Sports question we listed the four MAJOR, SPORTS, NBA, NHL.
MLB nfl a lot of the comments saying, college football
that's a very strong case, for that and playoffs, in
golf playoff At.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
The masters what do you think the worst?
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Overtime, Is, YEAH paul i think IT'S the nfl because
it changes from year. TO year a casual fan does
not know the overtime rules when overtime will, happen to
like who gets? It first does the other team?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Get it what?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
YARD line i think it's it changes, So.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Much yeah the way it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Changes, bop yeah because you can't you can't track. How,
it's yeah you don't know how. It's going it's all
going to go every year. After year hockey for sure
for me would be, Number, One.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, Dylan YEAH and i THINK the NHLs are the NFL's,
problem too is, it's like by comparison to, college football
it's such a worse format that it's like everyone, just
like just change, if anything just chang to do The college,
FOR me i know you can't really, do that but
like they.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Can improve it because it kind of ends.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Up unfair people feel like they got cheated a.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Little, bit now do you like The big do you
like it when baseball GOES like i like it when
they go like if they go, THIRTY innings i, Love
it like sign me up. FOR that i would love
to be at a game that goes like eighteen nineteen.
Twenty innings they've kind of gotten away from that with,
These rules like do we do we like that in the?
Room here do we think that's or do we like
the put a guy on second base and speed this?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
GAME up i?
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Hate, That YEAH and i think like that, those long,
you know, fifteen sixteen seventeen inning games are so infrequent
that it's kind of it's cool when it happened in.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
The morning i'm more of like just, Baseball, generally like
give me a one nothing game over a seven to
six game.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
EVERY time i want a great pitchers tool because it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Moves right like baseball is already a quicker paced game
because of the. Pitch clock but give me like a,
two hour one nothing game that ends the. Ninth inn it,
has suspense that. HAS drama i don't need to see.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Home runs it works on.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
YOUR schedule, I mean i just think it's it's, to
me it's just a little bit. More compelling it's a
little bit more interesting to. See, That, yeah marvin what.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
About a, picture's duel but it's lots of strikeouts as
opposed to a bunch of groundouts. And, POPOUTS yeah i like,
that too no, matter what just a, picture's duel, pictures
due no.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Matter, what yeah, oh yeah either, EITHER way i want
a good see a good. Pictures.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Duel.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah probably college football.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Is overtime i'm college football is my, favorite sport but
the overhead time is still it has that hokey feel.
To it you get the ball at the three and
now it's even a little change where you get a
couple of shots at the end zone for, a touchdown
and then it becomes these two point. Conversion series, after
that it's it's fair.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
But.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
HOKEY yeah i like the college FOOTBALL when i like slop.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Mode the thirty. Yard line put, them there let them
keep going back. And forth some of. THESE overtimes i
love when these, games end like nine, overtime games like,
all right didn't really go nine over, time yet just
nine possessions. Either WAY but i think college football's. Got
it they figured out their.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Overtime rules it's.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Pretty INTERESTING the nfl a little bit less interesting, hockey
though sudden death immediate the way that game Ended With
Caroline las vegas, last night that's the best way.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
To, Go, yeah fritzy what about soccer where they add
these random?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
EXTRA minutes, i see now you're going outside. My field,
right now you're now you're way outside.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
MY field i.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Find that Maybe because i'm not a big, soccer guy
but the fact that that they don't have a specific amount,
of time you don't know when exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's, gonna end is very bizarre. AND uncoming i find
that bizarre.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
As, Well, yeah pauly now that is. Not overtime that
is called. Stoppage time so, the game the match is.
NINETY minutes, I get i'd.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
See this is like a.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
RABBIT hole i don't really want, TO like i Get
what fritzy, is saying and it drives me. Crazy too
why can't they just stop the clock and end? The
game it's supposed to, be ended but again that just,
goes down goes to a very.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Dark place, three.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Minutes, nine minutes we're adding twelve minutes in. The middle
all of, a sudden it. Just ends just like football
has you can have a two. Minute drill you can't
have that in soccer because it just suddenly ends without
any kind of.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Fair warning and it's about, the end? All right?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Say It, From monday fritzy eight seven SEVEN three dp
shows the phone number EMAIL address dp At dan patrick.
Dot com let's take a few Phone calls Chris. And
syracuse you kiss kick as, Off Here.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Chris hey, Thank You. Chris. Hey chris in, the open
you Mentioned the knicks had fifty points in. THE paint
a lot of those points seemed like they Were when
wemby was on. The Bench the knicks played totally Different
when wemby was Out till bruntson started to. Heat up,
and also okayc Having X Nick isaiah Hartenstein With. CHET
holmgrem i love that setup for both. OF them, i
(23:22):
mean they're, much better but it kind of reminds me
of The old knicks when they Had The Twin Towers
marvin Webster And. Bill cartwright one was more about defense
in the other.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
One, offense yeah thanks for the, Phone.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
CALL.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Chris i they did have a lot of Points When
luke cornette was in, the Game But wembin yama PLAYED
like i want, to say thirty eight ish minutes he
was out there in. THE paint i Though the knicks
did a pretty good job of dragging him away from.
The Rim Defending Karl, anthony towns you've got to defend,
the Three and wemby is really good at weak. Side
defense he can. Get back he can defend the three
for a while then get back in the paint. Contest
(23:55):
SHOTS but I think kat presents obviously a much different
type of Opponent That isaiah. Hartenstein is hartenstein is a paint.
Oriented player When Web beIN yama is, defending him he
can hang out on. The paint when You're, defending kat
you gotta hang out on The prima usse is going
to burn you during, These games Sam And, saint louis
you got a thought on the six foot two?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
In, underlist yes, excuse, me, yes sir.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
GOOD morning i would Pick, made. ARCHIBALD kindie, i mean
if he led the league in scoring in assists the
same year he won, a championship he would definitely be
on my six to two AND.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Underwst h that's a, Good, one sam thanks for the.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Phone call there's a lot Of guys i'm sure, we're
missing especially when, you get, you know past four. Nineteen
ninety there's a lot Of guys i'm sure that belong on.
That List tiny archibald absolutely belongs on. That list it's interesting,
to like how do we? Measure championships how much credit
do We? Give brunston if you Lead The New york
(24:50):
knicks to a Championship Over victor wembinyam.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
In The San.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Antonio spurs we talked about elevating Him Over patrick ewing
perhaps as The best knick of. All time we bumped
one of these greats off the all time six to two.
AND underlist i don't really know the answer. That question
subjective Question there aaron And, fort wayne you're up Next.
Speaker 9 (25:09):
To, Aaron, Hey well i'm thanks for taking, My, call
CHRIS but i Always Forgetting. ISAIAH thomas i mean. TWO championships,
i mean pretty great guy From The indiana. University there
but what DOES what i want to say is What
does spurs have? TO do i mean they got to
(25:30):
come Out Like mike tyson and just punch him in.
The mouth and that's going to be a lot harder
to do than, it seems JUST because I mean I
watched antonobi in college and that guy can crack a
walnut between. His thighs and, You Know josh hart plays
like a power forward, out there the way he's grabbing those.
(25:50):
Rebounds everywhere it's going to be tough For, the spurs
but every single guy has to. Be ENGAGED and i
do have like a Comp for Paul With. RUSSELL wilson
i was watching the next game the other DAY and,
i Thought Like russell Wilson and brunson they have like
(26:11):
similar type of. Like games, you know it's like you're
watching these guys and, you're thinking how is he? Doing
this like how is he getting the ball in the basket?
Like this and you Know Without, russell wilson you know
flank into the sideline that defense wouldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So, good yeah We Have isaiah thomas on our, initial
list so he's there. For sure two Championships, IN, detroit
pauli what do you think of that Comp With russell
Wilson And.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
JALEN brent i.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Think we hit that a little Bit on WEDNESDAY. With
Dp Like russell wilson came INTO the nfl as not a,
hot prospect a really good, college player but it's almost
like he didn't fit the mold of, six five two.
Thirty gunslinger so he went To the seahawks in the.
Third round he found his way and even now people, are,
like well he's not, that great but the stats don't pare. That,
out brunson he was awesome, in college but it didn't
(27:01):
translate to the. Pro draft you covered the draft and
he was not, you know no one, wanted him no one,
desired him even When the knicks, got him like we're
settling for him and it's almost like he doesn't fit
the part because he can't sky over the rim and things.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
LIKE that, i, think well, we underestimated and, BY we
i mean everybody IN, the nba because everybody Passed On.
Jalen Brunston The dallas mavericks could Have Had jalen brunson
on a, four year fifty five million dollar deal early
in twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Twenty one they could have gone over.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
One hundred million dollars to sign him in the summer
of twenty. Twenty two what people Missed about brunson was.
The footwork AND when i Look, AT brunson i like
in that footwork some of the great boxers that have,
Covered historically like he has the footwork Of A Floyd.
Mayweather junior he has the footwork Of A. Muhammad ali
(27:50):
like he's that he's that special when it comes to,
His feet like he doesn't shoot over anybody in terms.
Of elevation he's not overpowering you IN the i ain't
even though he is a. Strong guy his ability to,
change directions to move to, create angles that's What Makes jalen.
Brunton special and we didn't appreciate that before. The draft
(28:11):
we went in the second round And The dallas mavericks
and everybody else that a Shot At. Jalen brunson it
wasn't just the next that the Crack At. Jalen brunston
anybody could have taken or taken a flyer on him
gone and overpaid to go and. Get him they didn't
appreciate the footwork and how that would make him a great.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Offensive, Player, yeah paul.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Even what you're, saying there it proves. Your point like
coming out, of college like no one gets on social,
media says look at the footwork on that Guy, FROM
villanova i can't wait to watch his footwork on the. Next,
level no we want to Watch His zion Williamson at
duke and say.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's the guy we got. To have you look at
the handles of. A player that's What Made kyrie. Irving
Special kyrie irving is the best Ball handler i've. Ever
seen like he is great with. The basketball alan iverson
speed electricity did a lot of. Things Special jalen brunson
coming out of college did not do a lot of.
(28:59):
Things special what he does special is he's got.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Great feet and watch some of. These Games watch game.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Two tonight watch how he gets to, The basket watch
how we change, His direction watch how he gets his.
Shot up how does this guy who is six foot
two get his shot over guys that are, six', six six'
seven sometimes. Shooting over bigger guys his ability to do that,
comes down to, footwork.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And he's excellent excellent at that and that's. What, Makes, Him,
SPECIAL yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Dylan yeah i think the kind of like initial critiques
of small guards is similar TO, quarterbacks in the nfl
where there there's sort of like these unwritten rules that
you can be, below a certain hype but Then There's
like the Drew Breeses and the russell wilson's to use
the bruns and thing that come along and. KIND of,
disprove That, I mean even steph i think like at, first,
(29:45):
people are like ah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
He's a little small.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Two point Guards Were, drafted over steph curry Both Drafted,
By Your minnesota timberwolves johnny Flynn And My. Guy, Ricardo,
ricky rubio yeah paul.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
We like to go back and look at draft profiles
on the show because they don't match a. Lot what
happened afterwards and The Draft profile on steph curry's high,
end spot up shooter like the highest end of, your
spot up shooter and you can't find a lot of
people who picked.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Him, to be great no not to go, down another
rabbit hole but this is kind of ONE of the
problems i have WITH at least. THE nba draft process
i CAN'T speak to the, nfl in other SPORTS but in,
the nba draft process sometimes we don't believe what our.
Eyes are telling us and our Eyes Told us that
jalen brunson was a brilliant player. On The biggest stages,
(30:34):
jalen brunson was outstanding and yet he goes all the
way to the Second round because what teams didn't believe
he was athletic enough to. Be a great player teams
didn't believe. He WAS dynamic enough like i just we
don't believe what our.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Eyes.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Are telling us sometimes that happens A. LOT in the
NBA i think the ncaa tournament is a great proving
ground for a. Lot of these players like if YOU have,
A great ncuba turn i don't just dismiss that as
a guy having a good.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Six or seven games you were playing.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
At the highest level of college, basketball and you're succeeding
that should be top. Of The scouting report if i'm
preparing to draft A. Guy, In, The nba yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Paul i've got The Draft profile of jalen brunson coming
to college from, a high end analyst, A person you
know i'm not Gonna give names and they project him
as a, high, end point, guard. Backup combo guard backup
they said he's a little old to come into the
league and we may have seen everything all of what
one twenty two when he, started his rookie year they
said he, was a heavy. Footed lumpy point guard lumpy.
(31:36):
Was a, word us, it's tough tough word and it.
Just it's very negative it, says great college career. A
very stable player you can count on him a great
role player for. A good team. Someday but it doesn't
there's nothing in here that says he COULD be a. Great,
Nba combo GUARD yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Marvin might i have the.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Same issue as you they always, picked the best athletes
but they never picked. The best basketball players, sometimes, when
it's like man these guys are. Hiding in playing sight
the only time to me he's really like worked Out
Is when like russell westbury, Got picked, fourth overall like
man the AVERAGE, ten points at ucla but look, at
him jump out jump, out Of The. Gym org zach
levine guys like that that are phenomenal athletes but then.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Really, Produce, in College.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah eve with westbrook like he it was a risk
when They Took.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Him in oklahoma city but he, did have the athleticism he,
did Have The, size and oklahoma, city to their credit
believed he could. Be a point guard he was split
in the Point Guard Dudies with darren collison back IN.
The day at ucla he wasn't viewed as a long term,
fit at point guard but he was six foot five
and one of the best. ATHLETES we'll ever see i just,
think too, many times even now even After The, SUCCESS
(32:41):
of jalen brunson nba front officers are gonna get bogged
down by things that have nothing, to do with, basketball like, heightened,
athleticism super athleticism, Speed things like that like give me
the guy that's proven at the highest level possible that,
he can Play Basketball. And that's Jalen brunson guys like
jaileen bruns that should, never be passed on at least
(33:02):
to the extent.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
He, Was, Passed, ON again yeah dylan.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean you SEE it with.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
The nfl combine too it's like, This is all, arbitrary
like that's great you. Ran a, fast forty it's like
how often does that directly translate to what you end up.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Doing on.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
THE field, almost never i mean like it, just doesn't
really matter just kind of more of, a, spectacle of like.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
OH look, at that i mean.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
There's just so many draft, misses over the years and you,
can't bat a thousand and even the great gms. Don't
Bat a thousand sam presty's had some. Misses over the
years all the, other greats have Missed But, missing on
jalen brunson who was, a phenomenal college Player player Of the,
year those Villanova Days The national college Basketball, player of
the year.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
And you're gonna let him get. To the second round,
he was? THE runner was he i think he was
two Years.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Before he left dallas he was top five, and sixth
man voting and you're gonna. Let him skip down you
don'tant to offer four years. Fifty five million dollars it.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Wasn't That long ago poor Dallas could Have Had luca
and jalen brunson tough. Beat for the match ye.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
It's apples An Orangest but Remember Draymond. Green, AT michigan
state yeah i think He Was Two time big Ten
player of the year and he couldn't get drafted in THE.
First twenty five pi it.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Doesn't Always Work out like frank kaminski comes to mind
as someone that was a great college player but didn't PAN. Out,
in the nba Sorry Soon, shout out frank kminsky but
didn't didn't turn out to, Be A, Great, Player, sam
decker sorry paul another one of those guys like my squad,
doesn't always work out but sometimes just believe what your.
Eyes are, showing you guys like if you see a
(34:26):
great player making great plays, on a big stage don't
use the combine or interviews to justify passing on.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Him in, the.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Draft all right eight SEVEN to seven three dp shows
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Of the next hour we're also going To Talk, about the,
indiana fever, the good the. Bad and the ugly when
It Comes to the indiana FEVER. And the w nba.
That's all up Next This Is.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
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Speaker 3 (35:06):
Fever get, The Win last night caitlin Clark's Solid, game
for kaitlin, clark not her, best not her worst but
she did have an explanation as to why she wasn't. On,
HER best game.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Yeah i, mean A little sick. BUT i don't know
i tried to eat some apple sauce and then, it
just came up and then everything else in my, Stomach
ALSO came UP so i thought i, was gonna STAY
down and then i, found a. Trash CAN thank god
and i haven't picked out much in, a really LONG
time so. THEN i felt, Fine I felt light so
i was running around feeling good, in THE second half.
(35:42):
But i feel oka obviously was my, voice A little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
But i'll be good let me tell you that is
the Most Relatable thing that caitlin. Clark has ever, Said,
WHO amongst US well i guess, i should ask this
who amongst us has?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Never boot and rallied.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
We. Got two of them fifty percent of a guy have.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not, Boot. And rally yeah, Marvin so this.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Morning paulie, sends, me an email Ak you get the clark,
Boot AND rally comment and i looked up ON, SOCIAL
media x Ig I googled it Caitlin CLARK boot and
rally i was looking for her to say the term
boot And rally and then paulie sends. ME the actual, clip,
i was like oh like throw up and then. GET
(36:23):
back out, there, I was like man i did. Not
live a life you.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
DIDN'T live, That lifestyle i mean i've lost track of
the number of Times on boot and rallih haven't done,
it in several years hopefully. More than several, years but
uh yeah it was once a fixture.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
Of, My.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
College life yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Pably it's almost like she wanted to. Tell it the
story she wasn't like.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Hot, WANT the transparency. Yeah i love it she wanted. To, Say,
THAT story yeah fritzy i Thought it was.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
About fever fans that they wear these special boots to
kind of get the team, to rally from behind like
a rally cap where a Rally monkey like the angels Had.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Have boot and rally Night at.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
The next fever game well that might encourage some, pretty
hard drinking there like an award for who, Doesn't boot
and ral like, IF you do boot I don't, know
that's i mean that's a good.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Way to sell beer if.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
You're in, the in the venue drink as much as you.
Can before you boot and then. You have to rally
booting rally is not, a great thing either not a. Not,
a fun thing efforts.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But if you play For, a team called fever. You
might vomit eventually you would think that that you thought
that sick. Once, in a while yeah That's at least
twice I've. Regretted calling on fritzy that's a couple of
that's a couple of Time. Plays with the fever she's.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Going To throw off caitlin clark still a big STORY,
in the w nba. And for good reason she's a lot.
Of fun to watch she IS the reason THAT i.
Watch W nba games but i got to address this
because it came up over the, LAST, couple of Days
Uh when the indiana fever revoked the credential of one
of the reporters that. Is covering the team The Report's,
(37:45):
name is scott agnes who's been an Independent reporter out
of indiana for Some, time covered The, pacers covered the
fever Also worked for the, PACERS.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
For some time uh and he had his credential.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
REVOKED this past week i guess he revealed it this
past week because he tweeted out Some Information that the
Indiana fever, disagreed with last month They tweeted out that
clark was out of A Game against the portland. Fire
citing load management it's. Not An outrageous claim caitlin clark
has been injured for the better part of the. Last
couple of years she's been. Dealing with multiple things last
(38:17):
season was kind of A. Lost cause for clark now
she's got a back issue. She's been Dealing With while
the indiana fever, took issue with that they refuted the
reporting and then they decided to Revoke The. Credential Of
scott agnes so i'm not going to weigne In. THE
particulars of scott i don't. KNOW him that well i
know Him. FROM being around indiana i know he's had
(38:40):
Some issues with the, pacers in THE past with the.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Nba in the.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Past my issue IS more with the wnba RITT, large because,
the wnba to me they continue to prove that they
are not. Ready for THIS moment like the wnba of
the last three years. Is having a moment it Has Been.
Fueled by caitlin clark she has brought in MORE eyeballs
(39:05):
than the.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Wnba has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Ticket, Sales skyrocketed and look i'm not dismissing THE accomplishments.
Of other wnba players, these are great players but the.
Facts are the facts the casual fan Tunes In. To
watch kaitlyn clark the number though of OWN goals, that
the wnba has the number of rakes that they step
(39:27):
on consistently. Is just mind blowing you have this sense
situation with the. Fever revoking the credentials certainly a reprimand
or a public rebuking probably.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Would have been enough they didn't need.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
To revoke the credential they. Decided to do it and now,
This is the story this is what. People are talking
about they made a mountain out, of a molehill here
and that just shows to me they're. Not ready for
it Goes Even, further LIKE kathy, engelbert the wnba commissioner
when She Reportedly said that caitlin clark should be grateful
for THE platform. That the wnba provides Could Can you
(40:00):
imagine adam Silver Saying That about shay Gildas alexander Or Nicolea,
Jokic or jalen brunson now that any one of them
should be grateful for the platform. That they're, being provided.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Come on come on it.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Goes DEEPER than that like i took issue as a
Reporter With how the dallas Stars Dealt with The page,
becker's asy fudd situation cutting, off the reporter again making
a mountain out. Of a mole hill let the young.
Woman answer the question she probably would have had one
ready to. Go answer the question, everybody moves on instead,
(40:33):
you make that comment you, cut the reporter off and
that's the story.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
For like three.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Days they just continue to show me that they're not
ready for this level. That THEY'RE rising to the wnba.
Is hot right now PEOPLE. ARE watching the wnb i
was telling you, guys before the show Like Last year when,
Caitlin clark did play i'm Looking For, Like the ion
network i'm looking To find HER. Anywhere i'm watching Nbc
I'm watching anywhere caitlin. CLARK is playing basketball i WANT
(41:00):
to see because I Want to watch kaitlyn clark for
the same reasons that It Wanted to watch steph curry.
Back in the day she does. Things that are unique
People Shot. Threes before steph curry They Shot. Threes before
caitlin clark they Didn't Shoot. Them like steph curry.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
They Don't Shoot.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Them LIKE kitlyn clark the wnba has to get out.
Of its own way be. Ready for this moment it's
only going to get bigger AND. Better for the wnba
you cannot be stepping on all.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
These rakes as.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Regularly As, They are, all right sam amck Great. Writer
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