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 Clemson HC Dabo Swinney complains about the unfair advantage that schools who can affords higher payrolls have but DP has no sympathy. And NBA insider Dave McMenamin joins the show and talks about sitting down with LeBron James for a long-form interview.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Final Hour.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
On this Wednesday, Dan and The Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show,
We'll check in with The Mothership's Laker reporter Dave mcmanhamon.
He was there in OKC last night recapping what we
had yesterday and what we have tonight. A couple of
games tonight, I guess, most notably the Nix and the
seventy six Ers. We're going to find out exactly what

(00:27):
the seventy six Ers have to offer because you go
through that grueling seven game series and that quick turnaround
to face the Knicks who were waiting, and it certainly
showed the Sixers getting six and a half, the Timberwolves
getting nine and a half against the Spurs. Looking ahead
to Thursday, the Lakers are fifteen and a half point
underdogs against the thunder eight.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Seven seven to three.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
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(01:11):
for the Rectech Grill and Dylan and our cameraman Weeks
have done a wonderful job. Now I'm gonna give a
lot of credit to the Grill. But you guys have
come up with the ingredients the different pizzas that we
have today. Would you run down the list there?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yes, Dan, So we started off with a little pepperoni,
classic pep and hot honey. We did a just regular
old cheese, soaper soadin onion, pesto, arugula and perscudo, and
a sausage in ricata.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Who has it better than we do?

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Lot money?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Ted Turner passed away today at the age of eighty seven.
He of course created CNN, He created TBS, He owned
the Braves and at one point one of his pitchers,
I think it was Andy Messer Smith. He had him
wear number seventeen and his name on the back of
his jersey was Channel and that's where Ted started his

(02:11):
cable operation Channel seventeen.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
He was unique.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I was around him only a handful of times when
I was in Atlanta at CNN, and I was with
him in New York one time and a couple of
times in Atlanta. Fascinating, fascinating person.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I think the.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Sports part of Ted Turner, you have the Braves, made
him a superstation where you had people all over the
country that loved the Braves because Ted Turner was like,
why don't we share this with everybody? If it's going
to cost the same, why don't we have a superstation.
He also had wrestling. He had wrestling I think before

(02:53):
anybody did. I remember that the old CNN headquarters on
Techwood in Atlanta, and they would be wrestling above us,
and you would hear like guys being thrown on the canvas.
There were crowds up there, and meanwhile we were down
where the original CNN headquarters were before they moved to
the Omni in downtown Atlanta. I remember he was so

(03:16):
proud when he told me one day. Everything he had
on he didn't pay for and he had that draw.
Oh and he always had a pretty woman on his
arm that was guaranteed he was what was he Captain
America on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Yes, so he

(03:37):
won the America's Cup and I believe that was in Newport,
Rhode Island.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Does that sound right?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
And he was just brash, but what he said he
was going to do, he did. I think he also
somehow brought together the biggest buffalo population in the world
that he was really big on being having conservation.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
And I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Many herds of a head of buffalo that he had,
but I know that that was really important. I remember
seeing him at a World Series with Jane Fonda, who
he was married to.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
But he just he was who you thought he was
like you saw.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Him, and he lived a life truly truly a remarkable guy.
He did have a poster that I remember having and
it was I was Cable before cable was cool, I
think was the title of the poster, and I think
it might have been talking about TBS at the time,

(04:42):
a promotion for that. I think he managed one time,
or he tried to manage, and then Baseball wouldn't let
him manage.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
You, PAULI, yeah, I've got that story.

Speaker 7 (04:50):
That's the first time I remember hearing about him, this
kind of wild, eccentric billionaire from the South. In nineteen
seventy seven, they were in a long losing streak, a
sixteen losing streak. The Braves, he sent the manager on
a road trip for ten days and took over as
the manager that night without telling anybody about his staff.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
They won.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
I'm sorry they lost the game, but his plan was
to continue managing. The Commission of the Baseball said you
can't do that. You can't own and manage a team
at the same time. But he was going to try
to continue.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Ted Turner eighty seven, he lived a life, lived a life.
All right, We'll get to more phone calls coming up
final hour. Obviously, with the basketball last night, we've covered
that throughout the show. Dabo Sweeney making a little noise,
the Clemson head coach, and he was on Greg McElroy's podcast,

(05:42):
or might have been on the show and always college
football on ESPN. Here is the Clemson head coach, Dabo
Sweeney on playing against teams that have more resources than
Clemson does.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
I mean, at Clemson, we always got to have a
chip on our shoulder. I mean, because I mean we're
I mean, it just is what it is. We don't
have the alumni base that some places have. We don't
have some of the things that some of the schools
that we've played and had to compete with over the
years have it's just the way it is. But I've
always liked I mean, we're three and one against Ohio State,

(06:17):
We're four and two against Notre Dame.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
I mean, Notre Dame has.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Their own TV station, they make their own rules, they
print their own money. They got like a money machine
in the backyard or something. I mean, like, I mean,
we've beaten tex A and m a couple of times.
We've beaten Oklahoma a couple of times. We've won four
in a row against Alvard. I mean, we've beaten Nick
Saban and Alabama in two national championships, and so you
know we've had We've done all of that at Clemson.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Okay, so what's he complaining about. If you're good enough
to beat everybody, then what's the complaint. And by the way,
guess who had nine players drafted this year, fourth most nationally,
most in the ACC and they went seven and six.
So let's be fair. You had nine players drafted and

(07:07):
you won seven games. That has nothing to do with
Notre Dame or Ohio State. Now this might be one
of those Well Saban did this a few years back
where he was at a fundraiser in Birmingham, and he's
basically saying we got to spend more money. Is that
what Dabo's saying, telling the boosters we got to spend

(07:27):
more money. But my response would be, well, wait a minute,
you're beating all those teams. How much money do you need?
The problem is you were beating those teams a while ago.
You won seven, you were seven and six last year. Now,
has he done a great job. He did a great
job at Clemson. Is he doing a great job?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Not now.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
But blame this on your boosters, Like why would you
single out Notre Dame or Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
They're taking advantage.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Of the rules, and there are many rules, but they're
taking advantage of everything that you can take advantage of.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
And Ohio State is as well.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
But if you're going to brag about beat if you
weren't meeting these teams, now you got my attention where
you go. Look, we can't keep up with them. We
need more money. I want to compete for national titles. Again,
I can't do that with the budget that we have.

Speaker 9 (08:25):
Yes, Marvin, Yeah, Now you see schools like Alabama and
Clemson that we're meeting for the national championship year in
a year out like, oh, it's different now when the
playing field is all evened out, you can't stockpile. I
always go back to Alabama. Alvin Kamara had to transfer
because he was the fifth string running back on Alabama.
They were stockpiling guys, and guess what now everyone can

(08:46):
do it. Everyone has money, so you got you can't
dominate like you once did.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah, Dyling, I mean when you just look at the
like the SEC's dominance over the last two seasons, it
is a shadow of what it was when the time
Davos talk came out like the Alabama's and Auburns of
the world.

Speaker 10 (09:02):
I mean Alabama lost to Vanderbilt last year.

Speaker 11 (09:05):
Yes, Ton, Why can't coach have that conversation behind closed
doors with school heads and potential boosters, because then it
looks like whining and it doesn't come across well at
all that you would say those things publicly. If you
need to raise more money or you don't have enough
of a budget to get the best players, why does
that have to be shared with the world unless you're
making an excuse ahead of the next season.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, I can pretty much guarantee he's had these conversations
pretty much probably didn't go well, that's why he's going
public and letting everybody know, Hey, we used to beat
these teams. Well, you used to beat them, so what changed?
You weren't embracing the transfer portal to begin with. I
don't know what kind of resources you have, but I

(09:45):
can't blame Notre Dame for doing what Notre Dame is doing,
or Texas is doing, or USC is doing, or Michigan
is doing, Ohio State is doing. You're the one being
left behind. We said that with the transfer, we said
that about nil Dabo didn't want any part of that.
And I'm thinking, you are a dinosaur man, and we

(10:08):
know what happens with dinosaurs, certainly in the college ranks.
But now he's easing back in because he knows that
he needs to. But if you have nine guys drafted,
you win seven games, I would look inside. I wouldn't
be looking at other programs and saying, well, that's not fair.
Notre Dame gets the print money. Okay, well that's not fair,

(10:30):
Ohio State gets it. Okay, they're not breaking any rules. Yeah, Paul,
it's a bit.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Of a blame shift by Dabo, and he could be
right and weirdly wrong to say it like we're seven
and six, I'm the same coach when we're fifteen to
oh a decade ago. I don't have the ingredients to
work with. And he's basically shifting the blame to the funding,
which is could be true and weird simultaneously.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, just it was kind of a strange comment there
that I get it. If you say, look, we need
more money to keep Alabama this Saban did this. But
you know you're trying to get these players signing season.
Let them know, you know, we want to be playing
for a national championship. Didn't They lose to Syracuse at
home last year? Does that sound right?

Speaker 6 (11:14):
I believe so?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, and Syracuse wasn't any good. But I remember, like
it was a rain rainy game, and I'm thinking, man,
how far has Clemson slipped here?

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Yeah, Paul, Yeah, they lost thirty four to twenty one
to Syracuse. They lost to Georgia Tech, they lost to LSU,
they lost to SMU, Duke and Penn State.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, quality losses effected.

Speaker 9 (11:38):
Yeah, yes, Mark is DAOs when the emeritus, Like, is
he on scholarship at Clemson?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I don't know. I'm not.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'm going to stay in my lane on this, but
it feels like you got one more year. We can't
go seven and six again. Yes, Still, they've had.

Speaker 10 (11:57):
A couple of years of like underperforming quarterback.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I'd say to the DJU years were not kind cade
club Nick who was here's a Heisman favorite going into
this season and didn't play poorly, but he definitely his
draft stock went down. They just haven't quite been able
to put it together. Even with getting whatever nine guys
drafted this year.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Trevor Lawrence didn't walking through the door. No, who is
the quarterback who went to Missouri?

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Kelly Brian Kelly Bryant.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
He not walking through the door either. They could use him. Yeah,
where's Perry Tuttle when you need him?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Mestage boydaj boyd yees Mart.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
But without but without Dabbo Sweeney, Clemson is basically a
third tier college football program. Before he got there, what
were they eight wins? Nine wins?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
A long time before then? They have Danny Ford. They
won a national title, but that was probably back in
nineteen eighty one or something like that.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yes, Paul.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Before Dabbo, they had Tommy Bowden for a bunch of
years and they would win seven nine, seven nine and
never really got over the hump.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
And Dabo has done a wonderful job.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's just I don't know if he's if he's sending
out the message he wants to send, because you're telling
me you're beaten. You know, these great teams, powerhouses. So
what's the problem you. I'll start with you. You won seven games,
you lost six games, You lost a home to Syracuse.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Good luck. Uh, let me.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
See Jeremy and Cincinnati. Hi, Jeremy, what's on your mind?

Speaker 12 (13:32):
Hey?

Speaker 13 (13:33):
How are you Dan?

Speaker 10 (13:33):
Good?

Speaker 13 (13:35):
Two quick comments for you.

Speaker 14 (13:37):
First of all, I found out I'm getting a Rectech
grill for Father's Day and I'm super excited. And I
my family didn't get me the pizza insert, so we're
gonna have to get that. So thank you for notifying
us of that.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (13:50):
Second, I wanted to notify or ask, I guess or
kind of comment. Todd's been taking some shots. I want
him to know his hands are at least digging up
to block those those balls coming in. If Marvin was
taking those shots, it'd be a problem.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
We're taking shots at Marvin. You didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
The audience is turning on us.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I know, I thought they liked us.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Even in support of me. They have to take a
shot of another day out of the same breath.

Speaker 10 (14:19):
It's kind of odd.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Uh, Brian in Texas? Hi Brian, what's on your mind?

Speaker 15 (14:25):
Hey Dpe, I'm going to pick on Dylan here for
a minute.

Speaker 13 (14:29):
Why I look at Dylan? Yeah, everybody, I look at Dylan.

Speaker 14 (14:32):
I think of old school for animal house and I
don't think he's gotten the proper treatment for just getting
that chair.

Speaker 13 (14:40):
I think we should.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Oh, we got to haze him, Yes, sir, Okay, what
kind of hazing are we talking about here?

Speaker 13 (14:51):
Color is always right, the.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Collar is always right.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I thought you were talking about the dog collar that
he wore during the gambling podcast. Yeah, I've been Hayes,
yeah you yes, yes, he has Brian on the gambling podcast,
he was tased, he had a dog collar on and
Shaye would press the button and shock you.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
How many how many shocks do you have some sound
from that, marmon?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
So whoever loses and based on how many points, that's
how many shocks you're permitted to administer to the other
one in that episode.

Speaker 8 (15:24):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, Max Setting, Okay, do you have one more? Marvion?
I'm grabbing it okay.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
He has nine nine shocks. That was more torture than hazing,
I think by definition.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
And you were sweating.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
I was sweating. I was a willing participant. I want
that on the red.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
No, I give you credit here. Here's how it sounded.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
What's worth the anticipation? What's worth?

Speaker 10 (15:48):
I think not knowing ying is way worse.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, because that's like when we were smashing each other.

Speaker 10 (16:00):
We're feeling of all the time.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's three. I'm sweating, you got six to go. I'mitz
remember when we.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
H You took it, though, Man, I give you credit
because Shay was coming after you.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
This is when I learned for sure that you are
a sadist, Dan, because that was the hardest I've ever seen.

Speaker 10 (16:24):
You laughed and I was like, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I made Dylan sign a waiver though, just in case
you were wondering, because I am human resources here.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
If I croaked there, I know, but it would have
been good content.

Speaker 10 (16:37):
What a way to go?

Speaker 12 (16:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, how did he die? He had a dog collar on.

Speaker 10 (16:42):
He died doing what he loved, being an idiot.

Speaker 9 (16:46):
Yes, Marvin, that's going to be the hardest part about
getting a new job in twenty twenty eight, going somewhere
with real hr.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
Like, man, you got to respect one another?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
And what when are the Lakers expecting Lukaduncic to come back?

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Speaker 3 (17:44):
Dave McManamon was there.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
He witnessed the uh kind of I don't know, average
game for OK see, if you think about it, it
just felt like this was more of a yeah, all right,
we got a game tonight, nothing special. SGA didn't have
a great game and Lebron showed up, but anything that
you didn't expect happened last night.

Speaker 8 (18:08):
I think the Lakers, if you told them you'd hold
SGA to eighteen points with seven turnovers, you'd like to
think that's a pretty ideal circumstance to steal one on
the road. But when you shoot ten for thirty yourself
as a team, and Austin Reeve goes three for sixteen,
and really after two and a half quarters, the Thunder

(18:28):
look like the team that beat the doors off you
in the regular season, I don't know. I mean, they're
going to have to find a way to turn the
page and not have this seep into what happens on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm trying to figure this out and you'll follow it
closer than I will. But did Boston have a different
game plan when they're making their threes? Do the Celtics
or the Lakers have a different game plan when you're not?
There's nice when you're just not going to make shots.
But these teams keep shooting these shots, And I just
want under how much adjustment happens in the NBA during

(19:04):
games when this happens.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
It's a great question, and certainly anyone who watched that
Philly Boston game. I think had that thought come to mind,
I'll give jj redd a credit. I don't think he's
someone who just tries to pound his head into the
wall doing the same thing. He is someone who's shown,
whether it be with the rotations, whether it be his
defense that's gotten better this year by throwing in some zone,

(19:28):
by throwing in some two men on the ball action,
and obviously the offensive sets. But at the end of
the day, if your goal is to get into the
paint and collapse the defense and spread out to an
open shooter, you are a professional basketball player getting that shot.
And you know, I understand, you know at some point

(19:49):
you got to change things, but you kind of trust
the shots that you're generating in that sense. And the
Lakers from the All Star Break onward or a top
ten three point shooting team, and so you know, obviously
the one guy missing from that equation throughout these playoffs
than Lukadaca Chu is their most lethal three point shooter.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
And I know it's going to be spun in a
different way. But Lebron was asked about you know, you're
not scoring, and he reminded the media that, hey, we
don't have Luca here, it's probably going to be spun
where he's making excuses, which isn't fair to him. He
didn't say, hey, we lost, but keep in mind, I
don't have any help out here. So how did you

(20:32):
take that answer from Lebron?

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Yeah, and you're totally right. You've been around it for forever.
You know that there'll be some who try to turn
it into him complaining or saying woe is me. To me,
it was just addressing the obvious elephant in the room
that hey, I know it looked bad tonight, but we
are playing the defending champs and we have the leading

(20:56):
scorer in the NBA this season in Street Close. Still, well,
if you're going to honestly assess what you saw, if
you don't take those two pieces of context into consideration,
then you're being a little disingenuous about your expectations for
what the series could be.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
What's the time frame? Any update on Luca?

Speaker 8 (21:17):
No update, And I'm just quoting JJ Reddick by sharing
that with you. He has been on the court late form, shooting,
not much, movement, hasn't progressed to one on one, hasn't
even run to my knowledge. But the thing about that
is these things can change rather quickly once a hurdle

(21:41):
is cleared. He's about thirty five days since he suffered
the injury, so we're talking about five weeks. These things
can take as many as six to eight weeks. Sjom
Serania reported the other day that sources told him he's
being evaluated on a week to week basis, which would
mean Game two's out of the picture. But you could

(22:03):
still theoretically have a shred of hope for games three
and four back in Los Angeles, but that remains to
be seen.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Talking to Dave McManamon covers the NBA for the Mother's
Ship is okayse beatable.

Speaker 8 (22:17):
I mean, if you watched last year's playoffs, you saw
Denver take them to seven, you saw Indiana take them
to seven. So certainly they are. And right now when
Jennen Williams is out of the lineup, you would say
that that's by their second or third best player, so
they're more vulnerable now. But then you watch the game
last night and you see guys like AJ Mitchell, you

(22:38):
see the other Jalen Williams, you see Jared McCain come
in and make plays. You see the bench outscore the
Lakers bench thirty four to fifteen, and you're like, man,
if they can do this on a night where Shay
literally has his worst scoring game in two years, they
do seem like in a class of their own right now.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
You hear athletes at the end of their careers say well,
I don't want to go out like this, but you
can't decide what's going to happen by Oh, I don't
want to go out this way. I'll come back next year.
There's no guarantee next year is better than this year.
But is there a scenario you see for Lebron where

(23:21):
this is how he wants to go out or this
is how he will go out.

Speaker 8 (23:25):
There was a time this year where I really believed
it was this last season, and it was early December,
after he had made his comeback, and he's doing things
like scoring twelve points on the road in the fourth
quarter against Phildelphia seventy six ers and afterwards waxing poetic
about how much it meant to him to soak in

(23:47):
the road crowd because that's a place he's ad to.
Always appreciated that kind of narrative coming from him changed
around the All Star break, and I would be pretty
shocked at this point if this was his last season.
His game is still elite and not what it was

(24:07):
in his prime, but it's still all star caliber. He
has found a way to play winning basketball with this team.
They went sixteen to two with him taking a kind
of a supporting role through March in early April, and
if they make some adjustments to this roster, they should
be right there up with the top echelon of the

(24:29):
Western Conference. So to me, it doesn't make sense because
he still loves the game for him to walk away
from the game, and quite frankly, it doesn't really make
sense for him to look for another team to play for.
I think the Lakers offer him pretty much everything he'd
want at this stage of his career.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Does he ever talk and this is probably not the
way to phrase it, but just patting his stats like
he may not win another title, but the longevity that
he's showing, like he's doing something that nobody has done
at this level. I don't know how important those things are.
If you say you're not going to win another title
in the next two years, but you're still going to

(25:09):
be able to play and contribute. How much does he
care about the final numbers of his career.

Speaker 8 (25:17):
In the stat I can tell you that he cares
about is he has two assists to Bronnie James as
far in his career. He wants to add to that,
and he's had one assistants received from Bronnie James. Like
that's certainly accounting stat that he wants. But it's about
doing all the things he does to keep his body

(25:39):
and mind sharp to still be doing the same thing
he's been doing all these years later with the context
of winning. If there was not a chance to contend,
I really believe he would walk away. He doesn't need it,
but so long as that sliver of a window is open,
And truly, I've been told by people within the organization

(26:01):
when they were putting together that run and the second
half of the season, he really believed. He bought in
on everything. You saw the best version of lebron James.
If he can stay in that mode, why would you
walk away? Because that's the type of stuff that's going
to gnaw at you and eat at you when you're
only have golf as your outlet for years to come.

(26:23):
You'll think back that, you know, I almost squeezed everything
out of that. But there was a little bit more
juice left to be squeezed.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Explain to the audience that you had an opportunity to
ask Lebron twenty three questions, questions you've never asked him before.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
Yeah, So the idea was and as I was talking
to you briefly before, I thought this was going to
be the last year, it was kind of feeling that
way and kind of the same deal. I wanted to
squeeze all the juice out of it as well, and
so I approached him after his season debut in Utah,
after he missed the first fourteen gamesatica. I was like,
I've been kind of thrown around this idea in my head.

(27:05):
I just love to kind of empty the notebook of
the stuff that either I didn't ask you because it
was kind of a one off throwaway question, like why
does he wear the same quarters that every game that
the Nike he came out with in twenty twenty one
and he doesn't wear the new warm ups. I just
always wanted to ask him that to like way more

(27:27):
basketball centric, like what have and and antagonators Antagonistic players
like Lance Stevenson and Dylan Brooks meant to your career
he said, let's try it, and so over the course
of the season, it would be mostly always a postgame window,

(27:49):
more often on the road because we're not trying to
get home to our families, and you know, you can
linger a little bit longer in the locker room. And yeah,
it's just kind of peppered him with these questions. Then
to his credit, he played ball like there wasn't one
of them that he said now, I'm not going to
answer that, And for the most part, I think there

(28:10):
was some insightful answers.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
What surprised you the most?

Speaker 8 (28:17):
I think that when I asked him about guys that
I know he respects Carmelo, Anthony, Dwayne Wade, Richard Jefferson,
guys Tracy McGrady, his peers in the game, several of
his teammates and that have gone on to broadcasting careers.
When I was asking him, does he look to them

(28:38):
as an example of how you fill your time in retirement,
He's like, f No, He's like, it's not because there's
anything to do with them or broadcasting, just I just
don't look at my life that way, Like I have
my own journey and I just found like I think
if I was in his shoes. I would probably look

(28:59):
to my friend my peers as they did XX and next,
and I'm going to try to do XX and XT
as a way to kind of had what we all
know to be a really awkward and difficult time of
your life. You know, athletes suffer too, deaths when they
retire and when they expire. That would be something I
would do to try to like maybe have a little

(29:22):
bit of a head start on it. And he flatly
rejected that he puts his mind through what they're going
through at all. I thought that was pretty revealing.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
When do you think not everybody turned on him, but
when do you think there was this I don't know
if it was fatigue that people had with him social media.
Mike didn't go through social media. So it just felt like,
was there a time where this went from a feel
good story, local kid without a dad, Leeds, you know,

(29:55):
goes with the Cavaliers, does everything they possibly can. I
didn't know if it was when he went to Miami.
Then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, okay, Michael
never did this.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
You had to go.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
You want to wear twenty three, you want to be
Michael Jordan has Lebron ever or did you talk to
him about being the villain or how did he become
a villain?

Speaker 8 (30:18):
I actually didn't talk to him about that because I
feel like that's something that he kind of had exercise
those demons in his Miami tenure. And I didn't start
covering him day to day until twenty fourteen when he
left Miami go to Cleveland. I could tell you from
speaking to people within his kind of orbit, his Q

(30:40):
score plummeted from the decision, and that was something that
was the reason why he hired a political strategist to
be his publicist for many years and tried to find
a way to dig out from under that just nastiness,
and he became the poster child of modern sports and

(31:04):
you know, not enough athlete loyalty towards the markets they
play for. Mind you, on the other side, I think
if you walk away from his career and take the
thirty thousand foot view, the best part of his athlete
empowerment that he has been the kind of I guess
the main advocate for is that these organizations aren't going

(31:28):
to care about you. You know, Blake Griffin's going to
go through a major free agency presentation where they have
him up on posters next to dignitaries of US history
for the Clippers, and the next thing he knows, he's
traded to the Detroit Pistons. And so if that's going
to happen to you, while you wield the power, you'd

(31:50):
be the one kind of deciding that your own future.
And I think that is incredible and I think all
power to him. Where we've seen some of the backlash
that have led from that is too many players who
want to follow that first part of that playbook but
then not have the accountability on the back end. I mean,

(32:12):
Lebron James, every franchise he's ever played for, he's won
a championship four. He's the only guy in NBA history
to do that, to win a championship and at finals
MVP on three different franchises.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Do you think deep down, maybe not deep down, Lebron
thinks he's better than Michael Jordan.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
So that was an interesting conversation we had. And I
didn't want to talk about like goat because that there's
no way to really determine it. But I wouldn't ask
what parts of your game is better than his game
and what parts of his game are better than your game,
and he admitted to me or I guess, I don't know.
I don't know if he's trying to had a problem

(32:51):
with committing it, but he said Michael's mid post game,
his ability to get to his spot and rise his
fade away, and to me, the part that he wouldn't
say it was better, but the punts he admired about
his game was his will to win. And I think
that's what Lebron was kind of knocked for for many years,
just not having the quote unquote killer instinct. I mean,

(33:15):
from the time I've covered him, I've seen him make
a handful of game winners in the NBA playoffs. Mean
to me, that's a guy who can deal with the pressure.
Saw him lead a three to one comeback against a
seventy three win team in the Golden State Wars. Again,
impervious to pressure, and so I don't know how accurate
those knocks for him were on him at any point,

(33:38):
but that is the reputation of Jordan that's in the
ether that he'll probably never overcome. And I love that
he spoke to me candidly about the fact that he's
four and six in the finals, and that's viewed as
a knock on his career. There are people who would
if he lost in the first round, lost in the

(34:00):
second round, didn't make the playoffs, they would not bring
that up as much as him getting to the NBA
Finals and losing.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, then you say, they don't do that to Jerry West. Jerry,
I think was one and nine and your nickname is
mister Clutch and you're the logo, and look, Jerry was
one of my favorite players. But it feels like getting
there ten times to play for ten titles. You have
to give credit to that. I know Mike was six,

(34:28):
and oh, I know Montana was four and oh, but
damn Brady got there. Even if you lose. Lebron got there.
I mean, you can't win it if you don't get there.
And I always thought that that was a shame that
it was viewed as a negative. Well, he can't win
the big one. Jerry West, as great as he was,
only won one title.

Speaker 8 (34:47):
And I mean, yeah, you're a golf guy, right, and
he's becoming a golf player. Like we look at all
the second place finishes for guys like you know, Tiger
and Arnold and yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
That's Jack had nineteen. I can place finishes.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
There, you go, right, that's something that should be celebrated
the fact that you were playing on Sunday with something
to play for. Lebron's been playing in June with something
to play for. I don't think we'll see another player
that to me is as important of any stat that
he was able to kind of accomplish at this time.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Thanks for spending time. We appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Thanks for the insights, Dave, You got it da anytime,
Dave McManamon. He's covering the Lakers in OKC Game two
coming up tomorrow night, and the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Are fifteen and a half point underdogs. Well take a break.
Last call for phone calls? What we learn? What's in
store tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
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Speaker 3 (35:54):
What we learn?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
What's in store tomorrow? I think we h I think
we can settle in on pizza Wednesdays around here. Man,
you did a great job, Dylan, you and Weeks our cameraman.
These pizzas are great.

Speaker 10 (36:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
I burned the absolute crap out of my mouth. I
couldn't wait.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well you yeah, you were just taking that pizza out
of the oven.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
That is great.

Speaker 10 (36:16):
Yeah came out. Really that's a that makes a legit pizza.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And that's an insert in the rectech grill giving away
a rectech r e c t EQ dot com. Search
the Dan Patrick Show for details. Let me see Ryan
in Detroit. Hi, Ryan, thanks for holding what's on your
mind today?

Speaker 17 (36:36):
Yeah, thanks for calling back.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Dan.

Speaker 17 (36:38):
Hey, dnet, don't let the haters. Hey, you guys are
great just the way you are. I got a quick
story Dan that kind of weaves.

Speaker 8 (36:45):
Together the.

Speaker 17 (36:47):
Green Room Riders and Nick Wright's theory on seeing celebrities
in public. I was on a flight many years ago,
about ten years ago, from Frankfort to London, short flight,
and we were waiting for the door to close, long
paths we were supposed to take off, and I see
a Mercedes pull up next to the plane.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
Out of the.

Speaker 17 (37:10):
Mercedes and comes onto the plane, sits right in front
of me in seat one. It's legend tennis player Boris Becker.
And as a kid from the eighties, I couldn't stop
staring at him. It's like he had a glow the
whole time the plight. The tenant comes over with two beers.
He pounds two beers, goes to sleep. She wakes him

(37:32):
up right before her landing, gives him two more beers,
pounds those and gets off the plane.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Dan Ovi was he's seventeen when he showed up on
the scene at Wembledon diving all over the place, bloody knees.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
What a character. Ryan in North Carolina, Hi, Ryan, what's
on your mind?

Speaker 12 (37:53):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (37:54):
Dan, great to talk to you again. I appreciate you
taking the call. I had a comment about Davos Seleni
and I also want to just say that I think
Dylan's doing an awesome job taking Seaton's role. I really
loved Seaton, and I think Dylan's filling in amazingly, doing
a great job. And I just think Dado needs to

(38:14):
call Danny Hurley and ask Danny Hurley how I coach
these kids, because they're not the same kids that he
coached when they beat Notre Dame in Alabama and Auburn.
And they're not the same kids they were ten years ago.
Their minds are completely different. With Nil and the transfer portal,
and you can't coach them the same way.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Thank you, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, I was just surprised that Dado's taking shots at
Notre Dame in Ohio state and he's got a winning
record against them. If you want your boosters to give
you money, then just talk to your boosters, but also
produce a better season than seven wins, including a home
loss to Syracuse when you have nine players go in
the draft.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yes, Marvin, I.

Speaker 9 (38:54):
Think the kids that the saying the prices are different. Now,
guess what you couldn't afford Trevor Lawrence ten years ago.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Leave that Clemson Zach and Knoxville Zach.

Speaker 8 (39:05):
Hedip, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 10 (39:08):
Quick story about shooting right and left handed.

Speaker 12 (39:10):
I went to the Rick Mount shooting camp when I
was younger, and just casual conversation. He's addressing the whole
camp and makes ten in a row right handed, then
turns around and makes ten in a row left handed.
But I wanted to ask you about Kirby Smart's comments
about the Big ten surpassing the SEC and the.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Guys that were interviewing him.

Speaker 12 (39:33):
His theory was that now that you can pay players
above board, that's kind of sewed things.

Speaker 14 (39:40):
Do you agree with that.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, we've been saying that for years.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
There were schools that were paying kids under the table,
and now all of a sudden, everybody gets to pay
players what they want to pay them, and things have shifted.
Rick Mount played at Purdue back in the late sixties.
One of the the greatest shooters wasn't a great NBA
or ABA player, I should say, I think the Indiana Pacers,

(40:06):
But man was he a great shooter? Great great, great
outside shooter. All right, let's go around the room. Oh
this day and sports history, Paul, can you squeeze anything
in there?

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I got one.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
Nineteen twenty nine, the American League announced that it would
discontinue the MVP Award. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Isn't that weird? Babe Ruth hit his first home run
on this date nineteen fifteen overad to Todd.

Speaker 11 (40:32):
Would you learn today when she's on tour morak carrier,
QUI has it be somewhat assigned to her with the
responsibility of throwing out her gum?

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Dylan, if Aaron Judge is chewing gum, he's chilling apparently.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
Marvin, a caller, says Dylan needs to be hazed.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
Paul Pizza Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Thanks for the phone calls, emails, tweets, They all around
support for Fritzie, Dylan, Marv, Paul, yours truly and we'll
talk to you tomorrow
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