August 7, 2026 • 40 mins
"Pablo Torre Finds Out" host Pablo Torre discusses his latest report with on Kawhi Leonard situation, sharing how an already complicated situation has yet another wrinkle in the story. Former college football HC and current analyst, Rick Neuheisel gives his thoughts on the Purdue AD's comments about Indiana and looks back on bulletin board material when he was the HC at UCLA.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final Hour on this Meet Friday. Pablo Torre, He's uncovered
more Kawhi Leonard's secrets. Apparently he'll join us momentarily. Rick
new Heisel, college football analyst, will join us. We'll talk
about a couple of things, including coaches who don't necessarily
do the research to vote in the Coaches Poll, but
we do place a whole lot of emphasis on that.
(00:26):
And we'll talk to Rick. He had three different stops, Colorado, UCLA,
and Washington. Did he actually do all the fact finding
when he voted in the College Football Coaches Poll? Also,
I got to bring out the athletic director at Perdue
and how would he feel if he was the head
coach at Purdue and your athletic directors basically calling out Indiana,
(00:49):
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Who has it better than we do? Nobody? Man, that's perfect,
I know, but I don't know. You guys should have
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I say who has it been? Like, you're already leaning
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I just saw this. This is from John Rand. He
(02:22):
is a well respected media insider. He keeps an eye
on sports TV. He works for Puck and apparently he
spoke with several sports media executives, The consensus across the
industry is Tony Romo won't be back with CBS. Now,
(02:46):
this is you know, research of asking people their opinions.
I just care about what CBS says, because you could
have somebody from Fox or ESPN say, oh, I don't
think he'll be back. I want to know what CBS
thinks because had this been early in Tony Romo's broadcasting career,
they're not getting rid of Tony Romo. But I think
(03:07):
because that he's been taking some hits by the media
and his approach to the game maybe being as thorough
as he once was, that's why he is vulnerable. So
seventy two million dollars over the last four years of
his contract, and there's going to be other analysts who
(03:28):
are going to be available, because I think you've got
some free agents here in the waiting. CBS is probably
going to go with JJ Watt at least this first
upcoming season, pair him with Nance and Tracy Wolfson. But
if you start to look at a bigger picture here,
Greg Olsen, Troy Aikman, and Kirk Herbstreet all can be
(03:48):
potential free agents after this upcoming season. So CBS could
have options if they need options with Tony Romo. I
would hope he would get another chance after something like that.
Certainly embarrassing for him, but looks like CBS the consensus
is that they will not have Tony Romo back. Pablo
(04:10):
Tory uncovers Kawhi Leonard's other hidden secret sponsorship. Here tonight,
Pablo Tory finds out releases its latest installment of the
saga that continues to linger here over the Clippers and
the NBA. All right, so what's the update here and
what does that mean bigger picture?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Pablo Hi Dan, we are brought together once again by
an alleged secret sponsorship deal for Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Always good to.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
See you like this.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
What we're reporting is that two days after I published
Part one of mine now thirteen part investigation, which I say,
knowing how ridiculous that sounds, I'll fully cop to it.
This is a thirteen part serialized novel at this point,
but it's actually an investigation right as an investigative series.
And two days after we dropped part one, what happened
(05:04):
was I got a tip saying that there is another
secret sponsorship for Kawhi Leonard, that was one thousand percent.
That is a quote, one thousand percent designed to circumvent
the salary cap. And I've spent the last eleven months
trying to fact check that, confirm it, further report the
story of why that would be, how it would be,
And it turns out that yes, according to our reporting,
(05:24):
we have two sources, two high level sources, one who
was under contract with the Clippers into a dome project,
the other a former Clippers high level source. They both
say that the JumboTron manufacturer, Daktronics, which you may not
know by name, but you certainly know by sight, Dan,
why are you laughing? Jumbo tron manufacturers are very very famous.
(05:45):
Obviously this one, this one is the one that built
the Halo board. This is the one hundred million dollar
project that Steve Baumer built to create the greatest jumbo
tron and human history. And Kawhi Leonard, accord to our reporting,
had a secret, unannounced no evidence that he did anything
for it, multimillion dollar sponsorship for that company, which and
(06:09):
I'll just beg one more bit of time here, because
Daktronics had never hired a celebrity spokesperson or sponsor or
endorser or partner like this before or since, and so
hard to explain Otherwise I would.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Say, given these sponsorship deals and his salary, how much
money was Kawhin Leonard making a year?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Well, it is.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
It's a number that we're constantly chasing, and that is
constantly changing, which is why we chase it.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Look, he was, of course a max player in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
What's interesting though, in that this timeframe we're talking about
is actually after Aspiration collapses. So we're looking at twenty
twenty three, and Aspiration is going bankrupt. It's under federal
investigation by the end of that year. And so that deal,
I'll just remind people, was twenty eight million dollars under
contract for a no show endorsement deal that was never announced.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
If this is it's doning familiar, let me know.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
And also a twenty million dollar equity deal in the
company that was guaranteed to him. So that's forty eight
million dollars in total value that was guaranteed to Kawhi
Leonard on top of his NBA contract.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
And that's just that.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
But Aspiration, according to our reporting, is struggling to make
the payments in twenty twenty three, of course, and what
happens next is the story of these last two episodes
we've now done. And what's so interesting, Dan, And I'll
answer your question in this context. January twenty twenty four
comes around and Kawhi Leonard does something shocking to NBA media.
(07:44):
Certainly he takes less than the max. And so if
you just put this all together, right, a guy who
truly is here to earn as much as he possibly
can and beyond, decides to take less from the Clippers
to extend and in January of twenty twenty four, while
also still being owed money from this team sponsor, Aspiration,
(08:05):
which according to the bankruptcy filing we obtained, owes him
at least seven million dollars. And so why and how
does he do that? Is what leads me to the
story of Daktronics. And so we don't know how many
millions of dollars we're in the Daktronics deal. We are actively,
of course, interested in finding that number. But when you're
talking about what was he paid beyond the cap, we're
talking about the largest alleged salary caps or convention scheme
(08:28):
in the history of sports. Right, We're talking about something
that ranges into the fifty plus million dollars, if that
would be a reasonable projection beyond what he was allowed
to be paid. That's just based on inferences on our reporting.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Which brings me to when you request to speak to
the Clippers owner Steve Balmer, the response is what.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
The Clippers have stopped responding to our request for comment.
We tell them what's going to be in the episodes.
For months now they've stopped responding. They used to say
stuff like this is all provably false. And I've learned
in the story Dan that words are very carefully chosen
by lawyers. I didn't go to law school, didn't make
it to that point, but I've been told that words
(09:11):
are important in legal proceedings. Provably false is a big claim,
and it's been it's August seventh, I believe, and it's
been eleven to twelve months, right, a year almost that
we've been waiting to show how this is provably false.
What I started reporting with aspiration, that's now into a
second hidden sponsorship.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And so we.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Always ask, and what's so interesting about this story? Because
request for comment is really important to us to get
it right. We went to Daktronics. We went to the
company itself and asked all of these questions. And what
our colleague and collaborator, Sam Koppleman learned is that Daktronics
wanted a The first response was, here's our general counsel
(09:56):
talk to them. And Kawhi Leonard had not even been
mentioned yet, so it's like, okay, so something already.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
They're on alert.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Then they send us to a crisis comms firm, and
you love when those enter the room because apparently there's
now a crisis, and we still are wondering what do
they think the crisis is, because we have a sense,
but we haven't even started talking about that yet. And
that crisis comes from and this is really important. They
say two things that I want to quote for you here.
One is quote, my understanding is Daktronics doesn't have a
(10:25):
deal with Kawhi right now, and I think the tense
of right now is a useful thing to handle a
lantern on for a second here, So right now is
the tense that they stand behind on the record. The
second sentence they say is, quote, I don't know what
the company. This is the crisis comes firm. I don't
know what the company Daktronics wants to say or can say,
(10:48):
given the Walk Tell investigation.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
End quote, and that is the crisis.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Comms firm volunteering the name of the law firm that
the NBA hired to invest gate the Clippers for secret
no show sponsorships for Kawhi Leonard. And so at this
point you're like, Okay, you're realizing this is of great
interest to Dectronics.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
They're familiar with this investigation.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
In fact, they've been managing the crisis of it before
we called. And so now when it comes to getting
questions and responses about did you have any proof that
Kawi did anything? How much was the deal for, when
did it start, there is no further comment or response.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm wondering, though, how this plays out if these things
are true. The NBA. You start with, Steve Balmer, I
don't know what you can do with Kawhi Leonard, but
give me the scenario or scenarios that you think that
how this plays out.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, so all of this got phenomenally I think concrete
and tangible. When the trade Kawhi Leonard is traded from
the Clippers to the Raptors to the team by the
way that originally alleged in twenty nineteen that Kawhi Leonard
and Dennis Robertson his uncle unlicensed agent, had requested benefits
beyond the salary cap in violation.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Of the CBA. These include no show jobs.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
These include equity in the companies that they were hoping
to get in business with through the team. So the Raptors,
I say that to say, the Raptors know the backstage
of this with unusual clarity, as that timeline twenty nineteen
is concerned, and so they want a trade for Kawhi Leonard.
But what happens is, of course the trade is frozen.
(12:28):
And what I've been told and what has now been reported,
is that the change is that the NBA puts in
front of the Raptors a piece of paper that effectively
indemnifies the NBA, the league itself, and the Clippers from
any legal resource or negotiation if there are punishments specific
to Kawhi Leonard, because those punishments will travel with the
(12:48):
player to Toronto. If you pay X, you're getting whatever
Kawhi ends up being post punishment, And the Raptors, in
their perhaps eternal wisdom and this backdrop, say then we're
not signing this and therefore the trade is not proceeding,
and so that trade has been frozen for weeks obviously,
and so the question of like what happens next is
(13:10):
when is this ruling gonna come down? Will this ruling
speak to the things that I've been publicly reporting, that
have been vetted by now of course months of careful
investigation in multiple sources. Will that ruling speak to those things?
Will there be a punishment, Will the raptors want to
proceed with this deal? And if there is a punishment
(13:32):
beyond Kawhi Leonard, because again that's specific to Kawhi alone,
how does this possibly avoid touching the richest owner in
American sports? Steve Bober, the guy who was across every
bit of this, and Dan, perhaps in the superlative I
gave him, you can detect some of the cynicism and
the concern that when you're the richest owner in American sports,
the game you're playing, even in legal recourse and certainly punishment,
(13:58):
it is different from even the normal billionaires that you
might have to deal with as commissioner.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Has the NBA's investigators talked to you? They reached out
months ago. I met with them.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
I handed them a bunch of paperwork, particular to aspiration,
signed contracts, financial documents, and I encourage them to take
all of it as seriously as they can, because I
think there's a lot more here. Even then I can
get to as a guy who has you know, Dan
Lebetard as his bleeping boss and one lawyer helping me.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
So we don't.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Exactly have the resources of a multinational, you know, enterprise.
But I think that walktell In listening to the podcast,
has a lot to go on, and my hope is
that they're doing exactly that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Any chance Steve Baumer is in jeopardy of losing the
Clippers being able to own them.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
I think the question is an Adam Silver question, right,
And this is what's so interesting. Adam Silver is not
his mentor, David Stern. Adam Silver is actually the guy
who welcomes Steve balmer In in replacement of Donald Sterling
and was hailed as this almost Aristotelian, brilliant progressive leader
in comparison to all the other commissioners Roger Goodell namely
(15:25):
at that time. And so now he is bookending perhaps
his tenure with the same guy being an even bigger problem,
a complicated problem, and so if you're Adam Silver and
in twenty nineteen when you cleared the Clippers and Steve
Balmer of cap cir convention after investigating the Raptors claims
and the Lakers claims, what you've done, by the way
(15:46):
on the record to say salary caps or convention is
the cardinal rule of the NBA. And I think underpinning
all of this Dan the moment we're in with sports
gambling as the NBA balances a gambling scandal, an investigation
that we've been covering on the show as well, when
they're balancing all of the other caps airt convention theories
out there. Gary Trent Junior as being the latest hypothesis
(16:07):
someone has is the question of whether the rules matter
and if you break the rules as have been alleged
by multiple episodes here of my show and now elsewhere,
the question is, how do you possibly make it so
that the cardinal rule is actually treated like it and
so by any standard of fake NBA law because these
(16:30):
are all fake laws. These are all collectively bargain rules
that you got to enforce. I think everything should be
on the table realistically in terms of the money and
if you follow it I think there's a very real
chance that Steve Baumer emerges relatively unscathed, which is kind
of insane to me according to my reporting.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Great stuff, Pablo, thanks for joining us as always, and
good luck with Dan Levittard.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm gonna need all of it Dan, as you know
with him, so appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Pablo Tory finds out with meadow Lark Media. We'll take
a break here. Rick new Heisel, former college coach, now
an analyst. He's got some things to answer, including how
would he feel if he was the head coach at
Florida Purdue and his athletic director came out and started
firing some slings and arrows at Indiana Football. Rick's gone
(17:26):
through this before himself. Take a break. We're back after
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Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm looking at the latest Super Bowl odds by DraftKings.
The Rams are an overwhelming favorite plus five point fifty.
Then it's the Bills and the Ravens at plus one thousand,
the defending champion Seahawks plus eleven hundred. Then it's the Eagles, Patriots,
and Chiefs all at plus sixteen hundred. I think if
(18:31):
I was going to try to make some money off this,
I'd probably look at the Eagles, and I'd look at
the Lions as well. I don't know what the Lions
odds are, Dylan, if you could check on that. But
you got everybody back, everybody's healthy, everybody's in camp, and man,
they take care of their players. When you look at
extending their players, They've done this on a consistent basis, Yes, Dylan, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So the Lions are nineteen to one to win, tied
with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, all right, I don't know if you guys want
to get down on that, but I kind of like
the Lions as an underdog this year. Anybody with me
on that?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I think a light dusting might be
in order on the Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, Sprinkle. If you look at the Lions, they they
produce on draft night. So, Jamiir Gibbs, he just got extended.
Aiden Hutchinson got extended, Jack Campbell got extended. I'm on
Ross Saint Brown got extended, Penney Sewell got extended, Jamison
Williams got extended, Kirby Joseph got extended. I mean that
(19:43):
is an impressive track record of drafting players and you know,
keeping them and extending them, giving them another contract. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And if you go back to that draft where they
took Jack Campbell the middle linebacker and Jamiir Gibbs higher
than he should have been, they got critiqued for those.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Decisions, criticized. Yes, Rick Neuheisel set to join us. Before
he does, I want to play the sound from the
Purdue athletic director and where he's calling out Indiana sports.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Every recruit, every current student athlete will hear this message repeatedly.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We are here to win championships. If you don't want
to win championships, go to Indiana. Okay, that's Tommy McClellan,
the Purdue athletic director, being introduced as the perdue athletic director.
It's spent I think twenty years at Rice Springing. Rick
new Heisel, former college coach at UCLA and Washington and Colorado,
(20:46):
now a CBS analyst. How would you feel if your
Purdue's head coach, Barry Odom after you hear that from
your athletic director.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I feel exactly like I did what I was at
UCLA and Peak Harrold had things going at sc and
they put out a full page ad the La Times
the monopoly is over. I was like, hey, easy now,
easy now, Yeah, it is a one way to start.
(21:15):
Tommy's not afraid.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
But were you told about the ad in the La
Times the monopo Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I was actually I was actually apologized to We don't
need to put that kind of heat on you. I said, hey,
let's own it. Let's go, but let's get the resources.
Don't take a knife to a gunfight. Let's so we'll
see how Barryodam does, hopefully better than he did when
he was aboard that bowl, when he was in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
How how did u CLA do against USC that year?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Not well, twenty eight seven got stuffed. Yeah, it was unfortunate.
We didn't exactly have the resources. I called out the
coaches earlier this week. You know, you have the Coach's Poll,
and I said, the people who watch the least amount
of college football are coaches, because you can't. You only
(22:09):
care about the opponent you had and the opponent coming up.
Who voted when you were at UCLA, Washington, Colorado? Who
voted in the coaches poll for you?
Speaker 8 (22:18):
It was always our sports information guy.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
It was Dave Platty at Colorado, Mark Dellen's at UCLA,
Jim Daves at Washington, those guys, you know, keeping track.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
They'd bring me a list.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I'd say, we'll move these guys one spot and away
we go.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Because you're right, there is no time to.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Spend surveying everybody else in the country. You've got to
just look after your own.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, because you don't want to walk into a press
conference and have somebody blindside you and say why did
this school get a first place vote from you and
you not be aware of it?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
No, exactly right, and now that they put your name
on it. At the end, maybe you better know exactly
what the hell went on that list, but yeah, you
don't have time for that.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Let me go back to Indiana and the run that
they had. How sustainable is this?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Well, I'm not gonna put anything past Kurt Signetti because
what he's done has been incredible.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
The Church of Signetti is full.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Parishioners come from far and wide now to watch what
is taking place there. The Mendoza story is one for
the ages. The sixteen and o story is one for
the ages. I can't remember a more surprising something happening
in sport than that that was in my lifetime.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
That was just incredible.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
You know, the Indiana program that was worse, had more
losses than anybody else in the history of college football.
To go sixteen and oh and win against the formidable
teams that they just and to beat Alabama thirty eight
to three. I actually said thirty five to three when
I had Signetti in the chair at the Big Ten
media days, and he corrected me, thirty eight to three.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Yeah, don't take that field goal from me.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Oregon and then Miami in Miami, it is a run
for the age. Is remarkable to say the least brought
I think they. I think I think Hoover's, you know,
reasonable replacement for Mendoza. We'll see if he can keep
from having the the errant you know, turnover. If he
if he if he cleans that up, they're going to
(24:38):
be They're gonna be good again.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Talking to former coach Rick Neuheisel, CBS Sports College Football analyst,
I was mentioning the coaches top ten and I was
putting price tags their roster next to their ranking. Right,
you got to be spending at least forty million. Some
next year we're going to be knocking on the door
going past fifty million dollars. The return on investment, Like,
(25:03):
how sustainable is this for these schools to be spending
this kind of money.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Well, that's a fascinating question.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I think we're going to be in a survival of
the fittest until the new television contracts come up, which
is around twenty thirty. I think we're just in an
era where we're just dealing with that. You can see
that private equity is kind of sniffing around. You see
the stories out of LSU and what they're talking about
doing down there. I think everybody's having these conversations. We
(25:33):
can't go very much longer. The numbers are going crazy.
Brian Kelly just joined us at CBS. He says the
numbers at noted aimer fifty million. So and he's sitting
there going, I couldn't get a penny out of them
for a long time while I was sitting there trying
to get facilities built.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
But it is.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
A wild wild West, as it's been dubbed many times.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
It's crazy out there.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, the President urging Congress to pass the Protect College
Sports Act before recess here, how important is that act
to pass?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I think it's a huge deal.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And now that the big ten in the SEC have
put their endorsement on the bill, it would be wonderful
to get that done. But it has to happen today
because they go on recess this afternoon, and if they
don't get that done, there's going to be other things
that are more important when they come back with the
(26:34):
midterms coming up.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I saw where you were working with Brendan Sorosby, the
former quarterback of Texas Tech. Now I don't know what
working means. I know that your former college quarterback and
you coach quarterbacks in the NFL. How are you or
were you working with Brendan Soorsby.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
All I did then is I reached out to him.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I felt terribly for how he had become in the
eye of the storm, you know, the kind of the
focal point. I think the bigger issue obviously he did
something that was wrong. Can't bet on your own team.
He didn't do it while he was playing. He had
a phone where he got into it and you know,
(27:16):
started betting on balls and strikes, and you know it,
got away from it and hopefully that's behind him. But
I remember having been kind of put into the public
scorn for having been in a basketball pool, and I
became very bitter about who would you know, throw me
to the wolves for doing something that's so commonplace. And
(27:39):
I just wanted to tell Brennan and his father that
bitterness only impacts you. Just just just move on. There'll
be a better day, and you just got to be
confident that that day will come. And I'm hoping that
he can get to the Senior Bowl a year from now,
that he can get to uh, you know, the im
(28:00):
by and show his wares. And obviously I'm coaching in
that UFL if we're a place that he wanted to go.
Remember Hunter Decker's the kid who couldn't play at Iowa
State any longer for a similar deal, ended up being
a quarterback in Houston for Kevin someone. And now I
think he's in the New Orleans Saints camp, so there's
going to be a better day for him. I just
(28:21):
wanted to reach out and say, you know, this isn't
so much about you. It was about all that was
going on. There was a little bit of jealousy about
how much money Texas Tech had, and so it became
a big story that he just happened to be the target.
And I just wanted him to know there will be
better days. Don't get caught up and who got you?
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Just move on.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I suggested, just like I did to Pete Rose, if
you want to give back, you want to show an
act of contrition. Volunteer to go around to colleges and
even high schools and just say and have people film it,
like you can make this some positive if you want to.
Pete never did that, and I believe if he had
done that, falling on his sword, he probably would have
(29:07):
gotten on the ballot to go into the Hall of Fame,
and maybe maybe Soresby gets a chance, you know, to
prove that he can still play football.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
He's a nice kid. I enjoyed talking to him. His
father is a nice guy. I'm hopeful that that can
be the case. And you know, he actually wanted to
stay for a time at Texas Tech and be the
scout team quarterback, but it felt like he was going
to be two munchs of a distraction. So he's just
working out and fingers crossed that something good happens for
(29:36):
him here down alone and if it was a gambling addiction,
that that's behind him.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
The most pressure to win this year? Which college coach
would you say, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Or there's a lot of pressure on Lincoln Riley because
the Trojans have never been to the college Football Playoff
and they feel like they've got all the pieces this year,
you know, they have to get back into the elite
category where I think the Trojan fans believe they should
be a lot of pressure on in my mind, Steve's
Sarkeesian because Texas has everything. I would say the same
(30:14):
at for Dan Lanning with Dante Moore coming back, but
maybe the most pressure given the schedule, given what is
going on is Notre Dame. Marcus Freeman has it all.
He's got this CJ. Carr, who everybody said at the
Manning Passing Academy was the best guy there, and he's
got a schedule that might be as ready made. I mean,
(30:38):
he's supposed to be like a double digit favorite until
November Miami comes to town.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
That's going to be an epic game.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
If you beat him in front of the home crowd,
then you go to BYU and then you have SMU
coming to town. We'll wait and see what the Mustangs
look like. But that's a schedule that's manageable. It'll be
interesting to see. And if Marcus Freeman manages it and
keeps that nor theirn Illinois game from happening, the Irish
are going to be right there.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I'd say, Lane Kiffin, you know that game against Old
miss now, I know.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
My goodness, don't you want to just walk in with
him to the grove now?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So I don't know what's going to happen. When I'm
going to steer clear, I'm going to be as far
away from Lane when he watched in that.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
That is going to be the most anticipated pregame in
the history of football.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
He'll eat it up.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
He'll eat it up.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We'll talk soon.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Thanks, abut the all the best, buddy.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
It's Rick new Heisel. Yeah, I forgot about that when
he was with UCLA. And you have the rivalry, or
at least you want to present yourself as having a
rivalry with USC at the time, with Pete Carroll, and
you wake up and somebody said, hey, did you see
the advertisement that UCLA took out in the La Times
(31:53):
The football monopoly in Los Angeles is officially over. And
it's a picture of Rick new Heisel and it's got
UCLA there. You don't even run it by, Rick, because
that might be where you go. You know, maybe let's
hold off on this. It's nice to have, you know,
how about some inner confidence. We don't need to exude
(32:13):
it right away and send a shot across the bow
there with USC. Good stuff. But the Soresby thing was
interesting as well because Rick went through this. He did
one of those office pools at the University of Washington
and ended up winning I think a couple of thousand dollars.
But you know, at the time it was a big deal.
(32:36):
He was like, oh my god, college coach gambling. Well,
it was on a different sport, and it was one
of those office things. I don't know the punishment of that, PAULI,
but I remember Rick faced a lot of scrutiny because
of that. But I remember that that was a really
big deal. And I think that's what Rick is saying, Hey,
(32:59):
don't be petty with this, you know, don't hold on
to it. Try to move on from this gambling situation.
And Brendan Sorosby will hopefully get that opportunity. All Right,
we'll take a break. It's a meat Friday. If you're
watching on Peacock, you can see all of the good
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after this Dan Patrick show.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
Last goal for phone calls, what we learn, what's in
store for Monday. Kirk kurb Street will join us on
the program on Monday. I know that we've been talking
about Indiana and Purdue. We were talking more Indiana Purdue football.
After the Purdue athletic director called out Indiana. I ask
Dylan can you find the March Madness title odds? Why
(33:54):
don't we start projecting looking forward to basketball with Indiana
and Purdue, which school has better odds to win the
national championship? If you said Indiana, you would be correct
at plus five thousand, Purdue at plus fifty five hundred.
Florida and Duke are your co favorites right now, followed
(34:14):
by Connecticut and Illinois. Let me see trip in Vegas. Trip,
thanks for holding What do you have for me today?
Speaker 11 (34:24):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Good, good morning DP.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Always good to speak with y'all. So yesterday you were
talking about horse names for your horse. However, I've come
up with three names. If Todd was a horse, so
he would either be the dan At Donkey, the back
row Borough or a double callback the no joke, slow folk.
Y'all have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Thank you Trip for daily roast trips. Got it out
for you? What is that all about? I still think
I have no idea, but I'm still good on. Thank
you Todd for my horse. If I get that opportunity
to suggest a name to what do they call the group? Though, Dylan,
(35:10):
you know, not a consortium, but what's it called? When
you get a bunch of people who are investing in
a horse. Is there like a one word? Yeah, there
you go. Thank you. You can take off the Purdue
hat if you want to. I mean you've you've been
wearing it in support of the Boilermakers for most of
(35:31):
the show. I'm sure they value your support. Ben and Iowa, Hi, Ben,
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 8 (35:41):
All right, steep and harmony. How are we doing? Guys?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Hey, listen.
Speaker 10 (35:46):
So I was just curious and maybe somebody's brought this up.
I'm coming to you from the land of cyclones and
hawk guys. Having to explain to people that I'm an
Indiana football fan for the last thirty some years of
my life has been just nauseating. And then all of
a sudden, now we're flipping around, and now I'm having
to explain to people that I'm not a bandwagon jumper.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
It's weird, right, It's just hard to do well.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
I was born in Indianapolis and then we moved here
when I was a real young kid. So I have
a question for you guys. Do you guys know maybe
somebody's booked this up, Maybe somebody's brought it up.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
Do you guys know how many.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Championships are between Indiana University and per don't university? U?
Speaker 8 (36:24):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Twenty five for Indiana, three for Purdue. Is that the
latest math on this? I believe so Indiana used to
have great swimming teams as well, but you know these
are national championships. The athletic director didn't specify what sport
we were talking about. Uh, let me see.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
How about this day in sports history? Paul I got
one fun one for you Dan. Nineteen oh seven, Senator's
pitcher Walter Johnson made his major league debut. He pitched
in the majors for twenty one seasons. Guess how many
complete games he had as a starter five hundred and
thirty one complete games in his career, five thirty one
(37:06):
and one hundred and ten shoutouts in twenty one seasons.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
No really pitching on this date. In nineteen ninety nine,
Wade Bogs got his three thousandth hit. He was the
first ever to hit a home run for his three
thousandth Derek Cheter ended up doing that, but also on
this date. In twenty sixteen, each Hero had his three
thousandth career hit. It was a triple. Now, I don't
(37:30):
know how many other players. Maybe back in the old
days when you know, there were a lot more triples
in the game, But I don't know how many players
had a triple other than each Heiro for their three
thousandth hit. Let's see Fresh in Milwaukee, Yeah, PAULI, it's
each Heiro and Paul molletor the only two in history
(37:53):
to do it. Oh home, my dad, day, Fresh in Milwaukee.
Speaker 12 (37:59):
The day?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Here comes that cost out of the day. What Hey, Fresh,
what do you have for me today?
Speaker 12 (38:09):
Hey, DP, got a quick one for you. And the
Dannich NFL season coming up? I just want to know
what which NFL head coach or player needs a ring
this season to completely reshape how history and Canton will
view their career.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Oh, let's see, yes, Marvin Dan Campbell.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
He will be immortalized if he brings the Super Bowl
to the Lions.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Okay, what about a player anybody who needs to solidify
Now we can say Josh Allen, Mark Jackson, but uh
about aside from those yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Uh in the Dan Campbell van Jared Goff wouldn't hurt.
It's actually after you know, obviously going to the Super
Bowl with the Rams and losing. I think if he
wins some one with the Lions, that's it's compelling.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Okay, yeah, that feels like it's going to be more
valuable than just one super Bowl if the Lions would
happen to win. And I don't know why they're not
higher up on the list. I know that their division
is more competitive, but the Lions, it was about health.
They got weapons, you got experience. They've certainly learned. If
(39:32):
it's true, you have to learn to lose or learn,
you know, to get through losing. Detroit's well versed in that.
Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program? Todd,
what'd you learn today?
Speaker 12 (39:44):
Alabama used toory successfully run the football, was ranked one
hundred and twenty fourth nationally in rushing yards last season.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Nikes, Dylan, what did you learn? Cake and champagne ain't
gonna cut it for a wedding dinner. No, No, the
result was really bad. Casualties, Marvin, you can't catch a lisp.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Paul Carson Beck Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
My thanks to Anthony who kept me company up here.
We'll talk to you on Monday from the man Cave
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final Hour on this Meet Friday. Pablo Torre, He's uncovered
more Kawhi Leonard's secrets. Apparently he'll join us momentarily. Rick
new Heisel, college football analyst, will join us. We'll talk
about a couple of things, including coaches who don't necessarily
do the research to vote in the Coaches Poll, but
we do place a whole lot of emphasis on that.
(00:26):
And we'll talk to Rick. He had three different stops, Colorado, UCLA,
and Washington. Did he actually do all the fact finding
when he voted in the College Football Coaches Poll? Also,
I got to bring out the athletic director at Perdue
and how would he feel if he was the head
coach at Purdue and your athletic directors basically calling out Indiana,
(00:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, Dan, we've got a Cajun theme today, So you
got black and chicken and Cajun shrimp, Cajun cream, pasta, jambalaya,
and cheddar biscuits.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Who has it better than we do? Nobody? Man, that's perfect,
I know, but I don't know. You guys should have
been on the edge of your toes there, Like when
I say who has it been? Like, you're already leaning
into the microphone. Who has it better than we?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You should have even jumped me? Who has it better?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I don't know.
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I just saw this. This is from John Rand. He
(02:22):
is a well respected media insider. He keeps an eye
on sports TV. He works for Puck and apparently he
spoke with several sports media executives, The consensus across the
industry is Tony Romo won't be back with CBS. Now,
(02:46):
this is you know, research of asking people their opinions.
I just care about what CBS says, because you could
have somebody from Fox or ESPN say, oh, I don't
think he'll be back. I want to know what CBS
thinks because had this been early in Tony Romo's broadcasting career,
they're not getting rid of Tony Romo. But I think
(03:07):
because that he's been taking some hits by the media
and his approach to the game maybe being as thorough
as he once was, that's why he is vulnerable. So
seventy two million dollars over the last four years of
his contract, and there's going to be other analysts who
(03:28):
are going to be available, because I think you've got
some free agents here in the waiting. CBS is probably
going to go with JJ Watt at least this first
upcoming season, pair him with Nance and Tracy Wolfson. But
if you start to look at a bigger picture here,
Greg Olsen, Troy Aikman, and Kirk Herbstreet all can be
(03:48):
potential free agents after this upcoming season. So CBS could
have options if they need options with Tony Romo. I
would hope he would get another chance after something like that.
Certainly embarrassing for him, but looks like CBS the consensus
is that they will not have Tony Romo back. Pablo
(04:10):
Tory uncovers Kawhi Leonard's other hidden secret sponsorship. Here tonight,
Pablo Tory finds out releases its latest installment of the
saga that continues to linger here over the Clippers and
the NBA. All right, so what's the update here and
what does that mean bigger picture?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Pablo Hi Dan, we are brought together once again by
an alleged secret sponsorship deal for Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Always good to.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
See you like this.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
What we're reporting is that two days after I published
Part one of mine now thirteen part investigation, which I say,
knowing how ridiculous that sounds, I'll fully cop to it.
This is a thirteen part serialized novel at this point,
but it's actually an investigation right as an investigative series.
And two days after we dropped part one, what happened
(05:04):
was I got a tip saying that there is another
secret sponsorship for Kawhi Leonard, that was one thousand percent.
That is a quote, one thousand percent designed to circumvent
the salary cap. And I've spent the last eleven months
trying to fact check that, confirm it, further report the
story of why that would be, how it would be,
And it turns out that yes, according to our reporting,
(05:24):
we have two sources, two high level sources, one who
was under contract with the Clippers into a dome project,
the other a former Clippers high level source. They both
say that the JumboTron manufacturer, Daktronics, which you may not
know by name, but you certainly know by sight, Dan,
why are you laughing? Jumbo tron manufacturers are very very famous.
(05:45):
Obviously this one, this one is the one that built
the Halo board. This is the one hundred million dollar
project that Steve Baumer built to create the greatest jumbo
tron and human history. And Kawhi Leonard, accord to our reporting,
had a secret, unannounced no evidence that he did anything
for it, multimillion dollar sponsorship for that company, which and
(06:09):
I'll just beg one more bit of time here, because
Daktronics had never hired a celebrity spokesperson or sponsor or
endorser or partner like this before or since, and so
hard to explain Otherwise I would.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Say, given these sponsorship deals and his salary, how much
money was Kawhin Leonard making a year?
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Well, it is.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
It's a number that we're constantly chasing, and that is
constantly changing, which is why we chase it.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
Look, he was, of course a max player in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
What's interesting though, in that this timeframe we're talking about
is actually after Aspiration collapses. So we're looking at twenty
twenty three, and Aspiration is going bankrupt. It's under federal
investigation by the end of that year. And so that deal,
I'll just remind people, was twenty eight million dollars under
contract for a no show endorsement deal that was never announced.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
If this is it's doning familiar, let me know.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
And also a twenty million dollar equity deal in the
company that was guaranteed to him. So that's forty eight
million dollars in total value that was guaranteed to Kawhi
Leonard on top of his NBA contract.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
And that's just that.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
But Aspiration, according to our reporting, is struggling to make
the payments in twenty twenty three, of course, and what
happens next is the story of these last two episodes
we've now done. And what's so interesting, Dan, And I'll
answer your question in this context. January twenty twenty four
comes around and Kawhi Leonard does something shocking to NBA media.
(07:44):
Certainly he takes less than the max. And so if
you just put this all together, right, a guy who
truly is here to earn as much as he possibly
can and beyond, decides to take less from the Clippers
to extend and in January of twenty twenty four, while
also still being owed money from this team sponsor, Aspiration,
(08:05):
which according to the bankruptcy filing we obtained, owes him
at least seven million dollars. And so why and how
does he do that? Is what leads me to the
story of Daktronics. And so we don't know how many
millions of dollars we're in the Daktronics deal. We are actively,
of course, interested in finding that number. But when you're
talking about what was he paid beyond the cap, we're
talking about the largest alleged salary caps or convention scheme
(08:28):
in the history of sports. Right, We're talking about something
that ranges into the fifty plus million dollars, if that
would be a reasonable projection beyond what he was allowed
to be paid. That's just based on inferences on our reporting.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Which brings me to when you request to speak to
the Clippers owner Steve Balmer, the response is what.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
The Clippers have stopped responding to our request for comment.
We tell them what's going to be in the episodes.
For months now they've stopped responding. They used to say
stuff like this is all provably false. And I've learned
in the story Dan that words are very carefully chosen
by lawyers. I didn't go to law school, didn't make
it to that point, but I've been told that words
(09:11):
are important in legal proceedings. Provably false is a big claim,
and it's been it's August seventh, I believe, and it's
been eleven to twelve months, right, a year almost that
we've been waiting to show how this is provably false.
What I started reporting with aspiration, that's now into a
second hidden sponsorship.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And so we.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Always ask, and what's so interesting about this story? Because
request for comment is really important to us to get
it right. We went to Daktronics. We went to the
company itself and asked all of these questions. And what
our colleague and collaborator, Sam Koppleman learned is that Daktronics
wanted a The first response was, here's our general counsel
(09:56):
talk to them. And Kawhi Leonard had not even been
mentioned yet, so it's like, okay, so something already.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
They're on alert.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Then they send us to a crisis comms firm, and
you love when those enter the room because apparently there's
now a crisis, and we still are wondering what do
they think the crisis is, because we have a sense,
but we haven't even started talking about that yet. And
that crisis comes from and this is really important. They
say two things that I want to quote for you here.
One is quote, my understanding is Daktronics doesn't have a
(10:25):
deal with Kawhi right now, and I think the tense
of right now is a useful thing to handle a
lantern on for a second here, So right now is
the tense that they stand behind on the record. The
second sentence they say is, quote, I don't know what
the company. This is the crisis comes firm. I don't
know what the company Daktronics wants to say or can say,
(10:48):
given the Walk Tell investigation.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
End quote, and that is the crisis.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Comms firm volunteering the name of the law firm that
the NBA hired to invest gate the Clippers for secret
no show sponsorships for Kawhi Leonard. And so at this
point you're like, Okay, you're realizing this is of great
interest to Dectronics.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
They're familiar with this investigation.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
In fact, they've been managing the crisis of it before
we called. And so now when it comes to getting
questions and responses about did you have any proof that
Kawi did anything? How much was the deal for, when
did it start, there is no further comment or response.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm wondering, though, how this plays out if these things
are true. The NBA. You start with, Steve Balmer, I
don't know what you can do with Kawhi Leonard, but
give me the scenario or scenarios that you think that
how this plays out.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah, so all of this got phenomenally I think concrete
and tangible. When the trade Kawhi Leonard is traded from
the Clippers to the Raptors to the team by the
way that originally alleged in twenty nineteen that Kawhi Leonard
and Dennis Robertson his uncle unlicensed agent, had requested benefits
beyond the salary cap in violation.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Of the CBA. These include no show jobs.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
These include equity in the companies that they were hoping
to get in business with through the team. So the Raptors,
I say that to say, the Raptors know the backstage
of this with unusual clarity, as that timeline twenty nineteen
is concerned, and so they want a trade for Kawhi Leonard.
But what happens is, of course the trade is frozen.
(12:28):
And what I've been told and what has now been reported,
is that the change is that the NBA puts in
front of the Raptors a piece of paper that effectively
indemnifies the NBA, the league itself, and the Clippers from
any legal resource or negotiation if there are punishments specific
to Kawhi Leonard, because those punishments will travel with the
(12:48):
player to Toronto. If you pay X, you're getting whatever
Kawhi ends up being post punishment, And the Raptors, in
their perhaps eternal wisdom and this backdrop, say then we're
not signing this and therefore the trade is not proceeding,
and so that trade has been frozen for weeks obviously,
and so the question of like what happens next is
(13:10):
when is this ruling gonna come down? Will this ruling
speak to the things that I've been publicly reporting, that
have been vetted by now of course months of careful
investigation in multiple sources. Will that ruling speak to those things?
Will there be a punishment, Will the raptors want to
proceed with this deal? And if there is a punishment
(13:32):
beyond Kawhi Leonard, because again that's specific to Kawhi alone,
how does this possibly avoid touching the richest owner in
American sports? Steve Bober, the guy who was across every
bit of this, and Dan, perhaps in the superlative I
gave him, you can detect some of the cynicism and
the concern that when you're the richest owner in American sports,
the game you're playing, even in legal recourse and certainly punishment,
(13:58):
it is different from even the normal billionaires that you
might have to deal with as commissioner.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Has the NBA's investigators talked to you? They reached out
months ago. I met with them.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
I handed them a bunch of paperwork, particular to aspiration,
signed contracts, financial documents, and I encourage them to take
all of it as seriously as they can, because I
think there's a lot more here. Even then I can
get to as a guy who has you know, Dan
Lebetard as his bleeping boss and one lawyer helping me.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
So we don't.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Exactly have the resources of a multinational, you know, enterprise.
But I think that walktell In listening to the podcast,
has a lot to go on, and my hope is
that they're doing exactly that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Any chance Steve Baumer is in jeopardy of losing the
Clippers being able to own them.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
I think the question is an Adam Silver question, right,
And this is what's so interesting. Adam Silver is not
his mentor, David Stern. Adam Silver is actually the guy
who welcomes Steve balmer In in replacement of Donald Sterling
and was hailed as this almost Aristotelian, brilliant progressive leader
in comparison to all the other commissioners Roger Goodell namely
(15:25):
at that time. And so now he is bookending perhaps
his tenure with the same guy being an even bigger problem,
a complicated problem, and so if you're Adam Silver and
in twenty nineteen when you cleared the Clippers and Steve
Balmer of cap cir convention after investigating the Raptors claims
and the Lakers claims, what you've done, by the way
(15:46):
on the record to say salary caps or convention is
the cardinal rule of the NBA. And I think underpinning
all of this Dan the moment we're in with sports
gambling as the NBA balances a gambling scandal, an investigation
that we've been covering on the show as well, when
they're balancing all of the other caps airt convention theories
out there. Gary Trent Junior as being the latest hypothesis
(16:07):
someone has is the question of whether the rules matter
and if you break the rules as have been alleged
by multiple episodes here of my show and now elsewhere,
the question is, how do you possibly make it so
that the cardinal rule is actually treated like it and
so by any standard of fake NBA law because these
(16:30):
are all fake laws. These are all collectively bargain rules
that you got to enforce. I think everything should be
on the table realistically in terms of the money and
if you follow it I think there's a very real
chance that Steve Baumer emerges relatively unscathed, which is kind
of insane to me according to my reporting.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Great stuff, Pablo, thanks for joining us as always, and
good luck with Dan Levittard.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm gonna need all of it Dan, as you know
with him, so appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Pablo Tory finds out with meadow Lark Media. We'll take
a break here. Rick new Heisel, former college coach, now
an analyst. He's got some things to answer, including how
would he feel if he was the head coach at
Florida Purdue and his athletic director came out and started
firing some slings and arrows at Indiana Football. Rick's gone
(17:26):
through this before himself. Take a break. We're back after
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I'm looking at the latest Super Bowl odds by DraftKings.
The Rams are an overwhelming favorite plus five point fifty.
Then it's the Bills and the Ravens at plus one thousand,
the defending champion Seahawks plus eleven hundred. Then it's the Eagles, Patriots,
and Chiefs all at plus sixteen hundred. I think if
(18:31):
I was going to try to make some money off this,
I'd probably look at the Eagles, and I'd look at
the Lions as well. I don't know what the Lions
odds are, Dylan, if you could check on that. But
you got everybody back, everybody's healthy, everybody's in camp, and man,
they take care of their players. When you look at
extending their players, They've done this on a consistent basis, Yes, Dylan, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So the Lions are nineteen to one to win, tied
with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, all right, I don't know if you guys want
to get down on that, but I kind of like
the Lions as an underdog this year. Anybody with me
on that?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I think a light dusting might be
in order on the Lions.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, Sprinkle. If you look at the Lions, they they
produce on draft night. So, Jamiir Gibbs, he just got extended.
Aiden Hutchinson got extended, Jack Campbell got extended. I'm on
Ross Saint Brown got extended, Penney Sewell got extended, Jamison
Williams got extended, Kirby Joseph got extended. I mean that
(19:43):
is an impressive track record of drafting players and you know,
keeping them and extending them, giving them another contract. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And if you go back to that draft where they
took Jack Campbell the middle linebacker and Jamiir Gibbs higher
than he should have been, they got critiqued for those.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Decisions, criticized. Yes, Rick Neuheisel set to join us. Before
he does, I want to play the sound from the
Purdue athletic director and where he's calling out Indiana sports.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Every recruit, every current student athlete will hear this message repeatedly.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We are here to win championships. If you don't want
to win championships, go to Indiana. Okay, that's Tommy McClellan,
the Purdue athletic director, being introduced as the perdue athletic director.
It's spent I think twenty years at Rice Springing. Rick
new Heisel, former college coach at UCLA and Washington and Colorado,
(20:46):
now a CBS analyst. How would you feel if your
Purdue's head coach, Barry Odom after you hear that from
your athletic director.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I feel exactly like I did what I was at
UCLA and Peak Harrold had things going at sc and
they put out a full page ad the La Times
the monopoly is over. I was like, hey, easy now,
easy now, Yeah, it is a one way to start.
(21:15):
Tommy's not afraid.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
But were you told about the ad in the La
Times the monopo Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I was actually I was actually apologized to We don't
need to put that kind of heat on you. I said, hey,
let's own it. Let's go, but let's get the resources.
Don't take a knife to a gunfight. Let's so we'll
see how Barryodam does, hopefully better than he did when
he was aboard that bowl, when he was in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
How how did u CLA do against USC that year?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Not well, twenty eight seven got stuffed. Yeah, it was unfortunate.
We didn't exactly have the resources. I called out the
coaches earlier this week. You know, you have the Coach's Poll,
and I said, the people who watch the least amount
of college football are coaches, because you can't. You only
(22:09):
care about the opponent you had and the opponent coming up.
Who voted when you were at UCLA, Washington, Colorado? Who
voted in the coaches poll for you?
Speaker 8 (22:18):
It was always our sports information guy.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
It was Dave Platty at Colorado, Mark Dellen's at UCLA,
Jim Daves at Washington, those guys, you know, keeping track.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
They'd bring me a list.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I'd say, we'll move these guys one spot and away
we go.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Because you're right, there is no time to.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Spend surveying everybody else in the country. You've got to
just look after your own.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, because you don't want to walk into a press
conference and have somebody blindside you and say why did
this school get a first place vote from you and
you not be aware of it?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
No, exactly right, and now that they put your name
on it. At the end, maybe you better know exactly
what the hell went on that list, but yeah, you
don't have time for that.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Let me go back to Indiana and the run that
they had. How sustainable is this?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Well, I'm not gonna put anything past Kurt Signetti because
what he's done has been incredible.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
The Church of Signetti is full.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Parishioners come from far and wide now to watch what
is taking place there. The Mendoza story is one for
the ages. The sixteen and o story is one for
the ages. I can't remember a more surprising something happening
in sport than that that was in my lifetime.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
That was just incredible.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
You know, the Indiana program that was worse, had more
losses than anybody else in the history of college football.
To go sixteen and oh and win against the formidable
teams that they just and to beat Alabama thirty eight
to three. I actually said thirty five to three when
I had Signetti in the chair at the Big Ten
media days, and he corrected me, thirty eight to three.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Yeah, don't take that field goal from me.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Oregon and then Miami in Miami, it is a run
for the age. Is remarkable to say the least brought
I think they. I think I think Hoover's, you know,
reasonable replacement for Mendoza. We'll see if he can keep
from having the the errant you know, turnover. If he
if he if he cleans that up, they're going to
(24:38):
be They're gonna be good again.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Talking to former coach Rick Neuheisel, CBS Sports College Football analyst,
I was mentioning the coaches top ten and I was
putting price tags their roster next to their ranking. Right,
you got to be spending at least forty million. Some
next year we're going to be knocking on the door
going past fifty million dollars. The return on investment, Like,
(25:03):
how sustainable is this for these schools to be spending
this kind of money.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Well, that's a fascinating question.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I think we're going to be in a survival of
the fittest until the new television contracts come up, which
is around twenty thirty. I think we're just in an
era where we're just dealing with that. You can see
that private equity is kind of sniffing around. You see
the stories out of LSU and what they're talking about
doing down there. I think everybody's having these conversations. We
(25:33):
can't go very much longer. The numbers are going crazy.
Brian Kelly just joined us at CBS. He says the
numbers at noted aimer fifty million. So and he's sitting
there going, I couldn't get a penny out of them
for a long time while I was sitting there trying
to get facilities built.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
But it is.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
A wild wild West, as it's been dubbed many times.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
It's crazy out there.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, the President urging Congress to pass the Protect College
Sports Act before recess here, how important is that act
to pass?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
I think it's a huge deal.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And now that the big ten in the SEC have
put their endorsement on the bill, it would be wonderful
to get that done. But it has to happen today
because they go on recess this afternoon, and if they
don't get that done, there's going to be other things
that are more important when they come back with the
(26:34):
midterms coming up.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I saw where you were working with Brendan Sorosby, the
former quarterback of Texas Tech. Now I don't know what
working means. I know that your former college quarterback and
you coach quarterbacks in the NFL. How are you or
were you working with Brendan Soorsby.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
All I did then is I reached out to him.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I felt terribly for how he had become in the
eye of the storm, you know, the kind of the
focal point. I think the bigger issue obviously he did
something that was wrong. Can't bet on your own team.
He didn't do it while he was playing. He had
a phone where he got into it and you know,
(27:16):
started betting on balls and strikes, and you know it,
got away from it and hopefully that's behind him. But
I remember having been kind of put into the public
scorn for having been in a basketball pool, and I
became very bitter about who would you know, throw me
to the wolves for doing something that's so commonplace. And
(27:39):
I just wanted to tell Brennan and his father that
bitterness only impacts you. Just just just move on. There'll
be a better day, and you just got to be
confident that that day will come. And I'm hoping that
he can get to the Senior Bowl a year from now,
that he can get to uh, you know, the im
(28:00):
by and show his wares. And obviously I'm coaching in
that UFL if we're a place that he wanted to go.
Remember Hunter Decker's the kid who couldn't play at Iowa
State any longer for a similar deal, ended up being
a quarterback in Houston for Kevin someone. And now I
think he's in the New Orleans Saints camp, so there's
going to be a better day for him. I just
(28:21):
wanted to reach out and say, you know, this isn't
so much about you. It was about all that was
going on. There was a little bit of jealousy about
how much money Texas Tech had, and so it became
a big story that he just happened to be the target.
And I just wanted him to know there will be
better days. Don't get caught up and who got you?
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Just move on.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I suggested, just like I did to Pete Rose, if
you want to give back, you want to show an
act of contrition. Volunteer to go around to colleges and
even high schools and just say and have people film it,
like you can make this some positive if you want to.
Pete never did that, and I believe if he had
done that, falling on his sword, he probably would have
(29:07):
gotten on the ballot to go into the Hall of Fame,
and maybe maybe Soresby gets a chance, you know, to
prove that he can still play football.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
He's a nice kid. I enjoyed talking to him. His
father is a nice guy. I'm hopeful that that can
be the case. And you know, he actually wanted to
stay for a time at Texas Tech and be the
scout team quarterback, but it felt like he was going
to be two munchs of a distraction. So he's just
working out and fingers crossed that something good happens for
(29:36):
him here down alone and if it was a gambling addiction,
that that's behind him.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
The most pressure to win this year? Which college coach
would you say, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Or there's a lot of pressure on Lincoln Riley because
the Trojans have never been to the college Football Playoff
and they feel like they've got all the pieces this year,
you know, they have to get back into the elite
category where I think the Trojan fans believe they should
be a lot of pressure on in my mind, Steve's
Sarkeesian because Texas has everything. I would say the same
(30:14):
at for Dan Lanning with Dante Moore coming back, but
maybe the most pressure given the schedule, given what is
going on is Notre Dame. Marcus Freeman has it all.
He's got this CJ. Carr, who everybody said at the
Manning Passing Academy was the best guy there, and he's
got a schedule that might be as ready made. I mean,
(30:38):
he's supposed to be like a double digit favorite until
November Miami comes to town.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
That's going to be an epic game.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
If you beat him in front of the home crowd,
then you go to BYU and then you have SMU
coming to town. We'll wait and see what the Mustangs
look like. But that's a schedule that's manageable. It'll be
interesting to see. And if Marcus Freeman manages it and
keeps that nor theirn Illinois game from happening, the Irish
are going to be right there.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I'd say, Lane Kiffin, you know that game against Old
miss now, I know.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
My goodness, don't you want to just walk in with
him to the grove now?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So I don't know what's going to happen. When I'm
going to steer clear, I'm going to be as far
away from Lane when he watched in that.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
That is going to be the most anticipated pregame in
the history of football.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
He'll eat it up.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
He'll eat it up.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We'll talk soon.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Thanks, abut the all the best, buddy.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
It's Rick new Heisel. Yeah, I forgot about that when
he was with UCLA. And you have the rivalry, or
at least you want to present yourself as having a
rivalry with USC at the time, with Pete Carroll, and
you wake up and somebody said, hey, did you see
the advertisement that UCLA took out in the La Times
(31:53):
The football monopoly in Los Angeles is officially over. And
it's a picture of Rick new Heisel and it's got
UCLA there. You don't even run it by, Rick, because
that might be where you go. You know, maybe let's
hold off on this. It's nice to have, you know,
how about some inner confidence. We don't need to exude
(32:13):
it right away and send a shot across the bow
there with USC. Good stuff. But the Soresby thing was
interesting as well because Rick went through this. He did
one of those office pools at the University of Washington
and ended up winning I think a couple of thousand dollars.
But you know, at the time it was a big deal.
(32:36):
He was like, oh my god, college coach gambling. Well,
it was on a different sport, and it was one
of those office things. I don't know the punishment of that, PAULI,
but I remember Rick faced a lot of scrutiny because
of that. But I remember that that was a really
big deal. And I think that's what Rick is saying, Hey,
(32:59):
don't be petty with this, you know, don't hold on
to it. Try to move on from this gambling situation.
And Brendan Sorosby will hopefully get that opportunity. All Right,
we'll take a break. It's a meat Friday. If you're
watching on Peacock, you can see all of the good
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
Last goal for phone calls, what we learn, what's in
store for Monday. Kirk kurb Street will join us on
the program on Monday. I know that we've been talking
about Indiana and Purdue. We were talking more Indiana Purdue football.
After the Purdue athletic director called out Indiana. I ask
Dylan can you find the March Madness title odds? Why
(33:54):
don't we start projecting looking forward to basketball with Indiana
and Purdue, which school has better odds to win the
national championship? If you said Indiana, you would be correct
at plus five thousand, Purdue at plus fifty five hundred.
Florida and Duke are your co favorites right now, followed
(34:14):
by Connecticut and Illinois. Let me see trip in Vegas. Trip,
thanks for holding What do you have for me today?
Speaker 11 (34:24):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (34:25):
Good, good morning DP.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Always good to speak with y'all. So yesterday you were
talking about horse names for your horse. However, I've come
up with three names. If Todd was a horse, so
he would either be the dan At Donkey, the back
row Borough or a double callback the no joke, slow folk.
Y'all have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Thank you Trip for daily roast trips. Got it out
for you? What is that all about? I still think
I have no idea, but I'm still good on. Thank
you Todd for my horse. If I get that opportunity
to suggest a name to what do they call the group? Though, Dylan,
(35:10):
you know, not a consortium, but what's it called? When
you get a bunch of people who are investing in
a horse. Is there like a one word? Yeah, there
you go. Thank you. You can take off the Purdue
hat if you want to. I mean you've you've been
wearing it in support of the Boilermakers for most of
(35:31):
the show. I'm sure they value your support. Ben and Iowa, Hi, Ben,
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 8 (35:41):
All right, steep and harmony. How are we doing? Guys?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Hey, listen.
Speaker 10 (35:46):
So I was just curious and maybe somebody's brought this up.
I'm coming to you from the land of cyclones and
hawk guys. Having to explain to people that I'm an
Indiana football fan for the last thirty some years of
my life has been just nauseating. And then all of
a sudden, now we're flipping around, and now I'm having
to explain to people that I'm not a bandwagon jumper.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
It's weird, right, It's just hard to do well.
Speaker 10 (36:07):
I was born in Indianapolis and then we moved here
when I was a real young kid. So I have
a question for you guys. Do you guys know maybe
somebody's booked this up, Maybe somebody's brought it up.
Speaker 11 (36:16):
Do you guys know how many.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Championships are between Indiana University and per don't university? U?
Speaker 8 (36:24):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Twenty five for Indiana, three for Purdue. Is that the
latest math on this? I believe so Indiana used to
have great swimming teams as well, but you know these
are national championships. The athletic director didn't specify what sport
we were talking about. Uh, let me see.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
How about this day in sports history? Paul I got
one fun one for you Dan. Nineteen oh seven, Senator's
pitcher Walter Johnson made his major league debut. He pitched
in the majors for twenty one seasons. Guess how many
complete games he had as a starter five hundred and
thirty one complete games in his career, five thirty one
(37:06):
and one hundred and ten shoutouts in twenty one seasons.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
No really pitching on this date. In nineteen ninety nine,
Wade Bogs got his three thousandth hit. He was the
first ever to hit a home run for his three
thousandth Derek Cheter ended up doing that, but also on
this date. In twenty sixteen, each Hero had his three
thousandth career hit. It was a triple. Now, I don't
(37:30):
know how many other players. Maybe back in the old
days when you know, there were a lot more triples
in the game, But I don't know how many players
had a triple other than each Heiro for their three
thousandth hit. Let's see Fresh in Milwaukee, Yeah, PAULI, it's
each Heiro and Paul molletor the only two in history
(37:53):
to do it. Oh home, my dad, day, Fresh in Milwaukee.
Speaker 12 (37:59):
The day?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Here comes that cost out of the day. What Hey, Fresh,
what do you have for me today?
Speaker 12 (38:09):
Hey, DP, got a quick one for you. And the
Dannich NFL season coming up? I just want to know
what which NFL head coach or player needs a ring
this season to completely reshape how history and Canton will
view their career.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Oh, let's see, yes, Marvin Dan Campbell.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
He will be immortalized if he brings the Super Bowl
to the Lions.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Okay, what about a player anybody who needs to solidify
Now we can say Josh Allen, Mark Jackson, but uh
about aside from those yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Uh in the Dan Campbell van Jared Goff wouldn't hurt.
It's actually after you know, obviously going to the Super
Bowl with the Rams and losing. I think if he
wins some one with the Lions, that's it's compelling.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Okay, yeah, that feels like it's going to be more
valuable than just one super Bowl if the Lions would
happen to win. And I don't know why they're not
higher up on the list. I know that their division
is more competitive, but the Lions, it was about health.
They got weapons, you got experience. They've certainly learned. If
(39:32):
it's true, you have to learn to lose or learn,
you know, to get through losing. Detroit's well versed in that.
Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program? Todd,
what'd you learn today?
Speaker 12 (39:44):
Alabama used toory successfully run the football, was ranked one
hundred and twenty fourth nationally in rushing yards last season.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Nikes, Dylan, what did you learn? Cake and champagne ain't
gonna cut it for a wedding dinner. No, No, the
result was really bad. Casualties, Marvin, you can't catch a lisp.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Paul Carson Beck Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
My thanks to Anthony who kept me company up here.
We'll talk to you on Monday from the man Cave
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