October 1, 2026 • 40 mins
Things get sour in Boston as the New England Patriots struggle at the quarterback position with Drake Maye, and head coach Mike Vrabel takes questions from the press about it. And Dan talks to Cleveland Browns Pro Football Hall of Famer Joe Thomas about what he’s seeing across the NFL, particularly with the early season success from the Cleveland Browns, and what Deshaun Watson needs to do to win back the fans.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Say good morning if you're watching the program on Peacock
or NBC Sports Now or listening in iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio,
just to name a few. Got a poll question for
the final hour. We'll talk to the Cleveland Browns offensive lineman,
Hall of Famer Joe Thomas. He'll stop by as the
Browns two and a half point underdogs to the Steelers.
(00:25):
That's coming up Thursday night. And baseball postseason continues tonight.
Phillies take on the Braves game three of the wild card.
That starts at 8 Eastern on NBC and Peacock.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Todd is here. Dylan is here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Marvin and Big Day Ray, part of the gambling podcast,
will tape the next episode right after the show with
Shane Irving, also Dylan. All right, Dill, clean up the
poll questions, and let's move on to our final hour
poll question.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Who you got tonight, Steelers?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Browns, 57% are taking the Steelers, and we can kind
of roll that one into the final hour if we'd like.
Will you be watching Game 3 of Phillies Braves or
Thursday Night Football since they start at basically the same time?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I was wondering why baseball didn't go maybe 5.30,
6 o'clock start. Try to get in there early, and
maybe you get a really good game. You capture the audience.
But when you're going to go toe-to-toe with the NFL,
it usually doesn't work out well. But I'm not in
TV programming. I just watch TV programming. 877-3DP-SHOW-OPERATOR. Tyler, he's
(01:36):
sitting by. He'll take your phone calls, and we'll come
up with a poll question. Final hour of the program,
what are you going to have? So we have that,
and then we have a couple other options.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
If you had to make the deal today, would you
sign Drake May to a big extension?
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I don't know if his shoulder is still bothering him.
I don't know when he got hurt with that shoulder. Ray,
maybe you could find that out because I have been
bringing this up ad nauseum of look at the five games,
look at the postseason last year, not just the Super Bowl.
Something was off there. I don't know if his shoulder
is bothering him, but this is an issue. Now, you
(02:21):
can say he doesn't have A.J. Brown. He had Stephon
Diggs last year, but I don't think he had a
typical number one wide receiver, and he still made it work. Yeah, Ray.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
I'm seeing you hurt his shoulder in the AFC championship
game against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
OK, so then what does that mean for the, you know,
previous games where he didn't play well? If, you know,
you got the injury and I think he's thrown one
touchdown pass with six interceptions. And he's thinking and he's
guiding and. Here's Mike Vrabel, his head coach on the
(02:56):
struggles of Drake May. And is there any issue there?
tension between coach and quarterback.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
Greg Hill said this morning that he had heard that
there was.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
An issue between you and Drake May.
Speaker 8 (03:07):
Are there any issues?
Speaker 9 (03:11):
Unnamed sources? Okay, let me just tell you why I'm here.
I'm here because Drake was the quarterback. Believe it or not,
I had choices to where I wanted to coach. I
wanted to coach here because Drake was the quarterback. So
I don't have really much other to add to that about,
you know, a comment from an unnamed source. But I'll
just tell you what I've told numerous people if they
(03:32):
want to ask me why I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Okay, Greg Hill hosts a radio show in Boston. And
I think Coach goes on that.
Speaker 10 (03:43):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think Belichick did. I don't know if Mike Brable does.
But he would have a chance to ask, Coach. But
he said no, that one of the reasons why he
came to the Patriots was because of Drake May. And
he did finish runner-up in the MVP. And he did
get to a Super Bowl. That is a great payoff.
If you're Mike Brable and you're not sure where you
want to go, do you want to follow kind of
(04:06):
in the shadow of Bill Belichick? And he wasn't afraid
because maybe he had found his Tom Brady in Drake May.
And maybe he still has. But there's something wrong with
the situation. And that's what I think as we move forward.
Would I give Drake May?
Speaker 11 (04:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, okay, if I have to decide today, I'm going
to say yes. But, I mean, do I want to
give $ 55 million? I have to know what's wrong, first
of all. Like, let's decide, let's figure out what is wrong.
(04:44):
Now is it fixable? How fixable is this? Is this surgery?
Is this something mentally? Does he have the yips? There's
a lot of things that could go into this. I'd
need to know that. Now, if you said, hey, that
shoulder is bothering him, it can be repaired.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But if he's saying, you know, it's not my shoulder.
Speaker 12 (05:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Then what is it? Yeah, Dylan. Yeah, it just seems
like the.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
If they were to sign him, it shifted from where
last year would have been like, this is our guy,
we love him, and now signing him would be like,
it would leave us in a position of uncertainty at
the quarterback spot. It's less about paying him for what
he's doing for you and more about just locking up
a guy.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean, even at that position, I don't want
to rush to lock you up. I applaud what the
Texans did. I applaud what the Panthers did. I think
Bryce Young has played his way so far into a
contract extension.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
C.J.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Stroud has not.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And having that extra year or two years might prove
to be financially beneficial if they have to move on.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Instead of, like the Cardinals, Kyler Murray didn't have any leverage.
You're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You're under contract. Oh, you got to sign him up.
And I go, no, you don't. Even Baker Mayfield, did
he earn it?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But do you want, it feels like they've got a
coach that might be on the hot seat. Okay, that
next coach that comes in, is he going to be
comfortable with Baker Mayfield making $ 55 million?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It's tricky.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's three years now. And now he's hurt. They're off
to a bad start. And that's a winnable division. and
you might have changes in the offseason already.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, Ray? The Bucs are kind of.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
In a tough spot.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
They've let Dave Canales go, done well in Carolina, and
then Liam Cohen is doing great in Jacksonville, and they
kept him for Todd Bowles.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think it's a really tenuous situation there right now.
And look, the coach always pays the price here, not
the quarterback, and usually not the GM.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yes, Marvin?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
And I think it's going to be a tough spot
for the Patriots between Drake Mays agent and the Patriots
because of the Super Bowl appearance and the MVP candidacy.
They're going to say, look what he did for you guys.
And so you have to pay him this much. Maybe
you can't give him the Baker Mayfield type of deal.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But I don't have to give him anything right now.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I just mean just going forward when they have contract talks.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, but I'm like, I'm going to wait after this
year and I might have to wait after the next year.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yes, Ray.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
When do you officially push the panic button? Their next
three games, Bills, Raiders, Jets, Bears, and then Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So next five games.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, they could win three of those games. Then all
of a sudden, OK, but they can win them. I
want to know if he played well. That's the biggest
issue here. And he just doesn't look comfortable. But it's
not all on him, but the focus is on him
because he was the Super Bowl, you know, he's in
the Super Bowl and he was.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
An MVP runner-up.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And if I'm going to include him with Joe Burrow
and Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, then
I have to hold him to that standard. And right now,
he is nowhere near those other quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yes, Ray?
Speaker 7 (08:23):
That draft class has done roller coasters. It was Jaden Daniels,
then it was Drake May, Caleb Williams, up and down,
up and down.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
All right. Some phone calls here. Let's see. Brett in L.A. Hi, Brett.
What do you have for me? Hey, Dan.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Good morning.
Speaker 13 (08:40):
Two hundred six foot.
Speaker 11 (08:43):
OK.
Speaker 13 (08:46):
I got some breaking news for you and a quick
round the room poll question. Uh, my direct line to
the executive room is tell me JJ Watt may be
on deck tonight for Philly's brave. So be on the
lookout for that chin up, Todd, get through it. I
haven't seen you this tore up since you got stuck
in that costume, but quick round the room poll question.
Would you rather faint from getting blood drawn or have
(09:08):
a very public panic attack when you get a tight spot?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Thanks, Dan.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
All right.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Thank you, Brad.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Uh, Todd had a bad part of the last hour. But,
you know, it's a new hour.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
We regroup.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We move forward there. And I think Brett was having
fun saying J.J. Watt was going to be on the
call for Phillies and the Braves tonight, Todd.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
I picked up on that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Okay, yeah. He was just having a little bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
What else did he ask in there?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Would you rather have a public panic attack or almost faint? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, I nearly fainted this morning. I gave I gave
they took blood and I was gone. I was I
was going to flatline there in my kitchen at 7.30
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Got the wife there and she's going, are you okay?
I go, no. Wait, are you going to faint?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes. All right, let me get you some juice and
a cookie and some ice. And Estelle was the person
who was drawing the blood after she Poked one vein
and it didn't work. You know, when somebody says, and
there's no blood flowing there. Well, I've heard that before,
but I'm like, wait a minute. Come on, Estelle. You
(10:28):
should be able to fill up those vials. And then
she goes, well, give me your other arm. And then,
you know, jab me with that. Maybe that's what it was.
Maybe it's the second one.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Does that just mean she missed entirely on the first one?
I imagine if you stick a vein, blood is flowing.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I have really good veins. So she couldn't miss?
Speaker 8 (10:52):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
When I walk in to give blood, and, you know,
these women who are going to draw your blood, they're like, oh, yeah,
because they know I just made life easier for them.
I would have thought when Estelle goes, oh, yeah, you
got a good vein there.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I said, yeah. Go get it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Untap that one. Turn the faucet on, Estelle. And then
she goes, there's no blood.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
OK.
Speaker 14 (11:20):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Marvin, did you ever think about not coming into work today?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
No, I didn't know if I'd be able to get here.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
My wife was going to drive me and drop me
off like a little schoolboy.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But I had to rally.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Because I have to set the example for the younger
people who work here. Like we have a guy who's,
Jack is 21 years of age. He needs a mentor.
You know, Billy Tips back there. I think he's like 14.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And a half.
Speaker 15 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I mean, Anthony.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Anthony's 22. This is where they're going to be telling
their grandkids. You know, I was there that day.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
No. Was it like the.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Jordan flu game? Yeah, only worse.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
Really?
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Hashtag warrior. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Who do you want to direct as 30 for 30?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think Antoine Fuqua. Didn't he do Training Day?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
He did.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay. You didn't think you were going to get that,
did you, Marvin?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
No way.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Antoine Fuqua.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Yes, Ray.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
I think Wright Thompson's working on a featured.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Story right now.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Danny Land?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, you know, if Wright Thompson said, you know, I'd
like to do a feature, a deep dive on you,
I'd go, nope, nope. There's things that I don't want
to learn about myself that Wright Thompson will find out
about myself. I still, I went back and read his
profile of Joe Montana. And when you think about it,
(13:04):
Joe Coole Beautiful wife, family, money. But Wright Thompson focused
on Joe Montana was no longer the greatest quarterback alive.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And you lose that designation.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I didn't even think of that. Because now it's Tom Brady.
And now Patrick Mahomes is in the conversation. It's like, oh, yeah.
Like Joe Montana's an oh, yeah. And it was never
that way.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And Joe even said, hey, I don't know what it's
like to lose a Super Bowl. I went 4-0. But
Wright Thompson zeroed in on that. And that's, I mean,
there's very few people in the world who are able
to do that like Wright Thompson. It's what is it
that makes you you? Or who are you now? And
(13:58):
just to, he did a profile on Pat Riley.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
And it was, whoa.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So if Wright Thompson ever was short on subjects and
he goes, I'm thinking about doing it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Nope, nope, nope, nope, no profile here.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So tell me about the day you almost fainted giving blood. Well, Wright,
it was a sunny Thursday morning. We just started the
month of October. And I almost went down for the count.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, Mark.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Our trailer for the last dance documentary that we're working
on is going to be so good. When everyone gets
their mics, they start sitting down with little violin strings,
and Keith Oberman comes up out of nowhere, and Chris
Berman and us.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And I got my tequila there, and I got my
cigar there.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
You're looking out on the beach?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And somehow I'm asked about Isaiah Thomas and being frozen
out from the dream team.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I'll answer, yes. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, I mean, when you came in this morning, you
looked like you just had the gym. You had your
white shirt on, which you'd sweat through, and your hair
was all over the place.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I was a mess when I came in today. There
was no doubt about it. And I was driving very slowly, carefully.
And I needed a little bit of assistance there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well, if you'd like to know, I have an update
on our first hour poll question. Am I soft or hard?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Are you soft or hard, Dan? And you're probably the
best one to answer that.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
But people say 52% are now leaning soft.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's just one of those where, you know, when sometimes
you get an injury, somebody sees you and you go, oh,
basketball injury. And you go, no, I tripped over my
granddaughter's toy. And you kind of want to, if you, man,
you look bad. You should see the other guy.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Now, there's nothing manly about what happened. Yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Why did you decide to do it in the morning?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Because I have to get that done. And then I'm
here most of the day. And I'm going to go
for another stem cell procedure. They had to have new
blood work. I had to get it done. And I'm
planning on doing that in November. And therefore, I had
to do that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But I'm okay. Yes, Dylan. Is that because you can't eat?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Beforehand was that no i could that was my first
thought was it's like oh it must be food related
why you did in the morning.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
How about we take a break here joe thomas hall
of famer tough guy i don't think he missed a
snap in his nfl career i think he played like
10 000 consecutive snaps probably never gave blood in the
morning We'll talk to Joe Thomas, Brown's Hall of Famer, next.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan
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Speaker 14 (16:52):
Stu Gatz here, pleased to be hosting college football with
Stu Gatz and the Bear. We do it two times
a week, every Monday, every single Friday throughout the college
football season. You can expect a little bit of this.
Will Stein, the head coach at Kentucky, joins us. Open
bar at a wedding, ordering a Shirley Temple. Will or
will not?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Will not.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Ketchup on steak.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Will or will not? Will not.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
A little bit of this.
Speaker 14 (17:19):
Rhys Davis, host of College Game Day, is with us now.
Speaker 16 (17:21):
And then I'm going home to the BBC, and they're
saying Jockovich instead of Jokovich.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Right, because you can't say Jockovich.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
If you do, you know the blowback you're going to
get from the American audience. And a whole lot of this.
Speaker 14 (17:39):
Listen to college football with Stugatz and the Bear on
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Speaker 2 (17:52):
15 ACL ruptures. The average age of the players in
the NFL, 25. 60% offensive players. 80% happened on grass surfaces. Also,
Seven Achilles tendon ruptures. The average age, 26. 86% are
defensive players. No, no, no, I'm not done yet. 71%
(18:18):
on the defensive line. 71% on grass surfaces. Once again,
I don't know what it means, but it feels like
there's more Achilles injuries now than there used to be.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
There's always going to be ACL or MCL.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Always.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But with the Achilles, but also the technology of getting
you back, it's weird. It feels like there's more, but
they're returning quicker.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Usually eight months. Eight months or less. Yes, Ray? Do
you think the.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Lack of preseason reps plays into any of this at all?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Because you can scrimmage. But when you play in a game,
it's different, completely different. And the fact that the preseason
is really for the players who are marginal, might make
the team, and the starters.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Are just there.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And then we're finding out that it's the first four
games we kind of look at as that's the new
preseason in the NFL. Let me bring in the Hall
of Famer Joe Thomas. Make sure you visit HallOfFameFarms.com. Check
out everything that Joe Thomas, the owner of the farm,
has to offer, including the Wagyu beef business.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Did you ever miss a snap in the NFL in
your career?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Never missed a single one, Dan. Ten and a half years.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
How close did you come to missing a snap or
a game?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
The closest I ever came was, I think, 2004.
Speaker 10 (19:50):
It was the last game of the season, Week 17
in Pittsburgh, and I actually got a grade two LCL tear.
I was able to kind of play through it the
rest of the game, kind of hobble through it. Doctor said, hey,
we'll check it out MRI tomorrow, but I don't think
anything's wrong.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I think you're OK. Found out it was an LCL, but.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
Thankfully it was the last game of the season or
I would have missed like four or five weeks.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, I nearly fainted today giving blood. So I don't
know if that's similar to the feeling you had.
Speaker 15 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I was going down on the kitchen table today. Just
want to let you know.
Speaker 11 (20:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I mean, I know the feeling. I know what it's
like to be in the trenches. I can relate, Joe.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yes, completely.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
A very relatable guy there, Dan. You know, the card's
in the mail. Hopefully we don't have to start a
GoFundMe here.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Thank you. Your Cleveland Browns are 2-1.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And I look at the schedule and you got Jets, Ravens, Titans.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You could conceivably be 5-2. You win tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
How are you looking at the Browns as far as
I don't want to say a contender, but let's look
at them as competitive.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
How about that? Competitive, not a contender.
Speaker 10 (21:03):
I'm just happy we get to use the competitive word
because that's fun. And that's as far as I'm looking
into the season so far. I think going into the
season as Browns fans. We had hoped that they could
be competitive, they could be better, that Todd Munkin could
come in and kind of install culture and make them fun,
make them fun to watch. And I think that's what
he's done. And I think we're just trying to enjoy
the moment right now. If you win tonight, you're in
(21:24):
first place by yourself in the AFC North. Let's just
enjoy that without looking too far down the line and
spoiling it potentially.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
What is the key to beating Pittsburgh, considering they didn't
have Joey Porter and beat the Bengals, and then now
they trade him, but they do come in as favorites
tonight in Cleveland?
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Yeah, I think it's all about how do you get
to Aaron Rodgers? You know, he's got the quickest release
in the NFL. He's going to pick you apart if
you let him sit back there and you give him
a clean pocket.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And that's where it really comes down to Mason Graham.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
This is his second year. He was their top five
choice last year. Didn't have a lot of production, but
he's already got four sacks.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
In the first three weeks of the season. Yeah, he's
a problem.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
Yeah, and you've got to be able to get pressure
up the middle on these quarterbacks that want to throw
the ball quickly. And so for him tonight... You got
to be able to collapse the pocket, get in Aaron
Rodgers's face and make him move off of the spot
that he wants to throw from. So he has to
readjust his feet and throw off of an unusual platform.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I like the Browns nucleus in game plan moving forward.
I'm not sold on Deshaun, but if he plays competitive football,
doesn't make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
OK, I'm fine with that. Then you make your decision
at the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Pittsburgh is the one that is really curious to me, Joe.
You just got rid of Joey Porter Jr., who's one
of the best corners in the game. You're an old team.
It feels like they're not sure if they're rebuilding, maybe reloading,
but moving forward with this team, I like the Browns
(22:59):
moving forward more than I do Pittsburgh.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
Well, doesn't it feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers have had
an old team forever? I mean, like when I got
into the league, they were an old team and it
just seems like they've done a great job of building culture,
building structure.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
They reload. They've done a good job developing players.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And I think.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
One of the reasons they haven't won maybe more Super
Bowls is because they really never had to reload and
completely tear things down and start over with high draft
choices and a lot of salary cap space.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
But it's kept them competitive.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
But I think to your point, like if you look
over the next five years, who's got the better outlook?
I would say it's probably the Browns because of their
draft capital, because of the resources that they've saved with
salary cap space. And it's not really clear if the
Pittsburgh Steelers are going to be able to just quickly
reload and find a new quarterback next season and to
be able to kind of continue to build, or if
they are going to have to go through one of
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those big, deep rebuilding phases where they're bad for a
several-year stretch.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
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Speaker 3 (24:04):
Business there. We look at.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Quarterbacks, we kind of give them two years, but I'm
curious with other positions. How long do we give an
offensive lineman? And I know the pay is not the same,
but how long until you know somebody can or can't
play that position? Let's look at the other ones and
any other position you look at and you go, you
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might have a two-year window to prove yourself like quarterbacks.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
I think quarterback's the hardest one because it's so much mental.
It's about those quick decisions that you have to make
in a split second, two seconds back there in the pocket.
You've got to consistently make the right decision. So all
the quarterbacks in the league have great arms. They can
throw accurately. But can you do that consistently? Whereas an
offensive lineman, I think when you look at him, you say, OK,
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Do they have the flexibility, the mobility, the power, the
strength to be able to hit the positions biomechanically that
they need to, to be able to move guys off
the line of scrimmage, to be able to pass that
effectively and consistently. But then the question is, can you
do like those movements over and over again? And so
you watch a guy and can they win against all
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the different pass rush moves that they're going to get?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
If it's a yes, then it's okay.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Can they steadily make progress where they're making fewer and
fewer mistakes and So I think it's easier to project
alignment because it's physical traits and then removing the mistakes.
Whereas with a quarterback, it's those mental mistakes. And two
or three a game gets you on the bench and
more than that gets you out of the league. So
I think it's a lot more difficult to project. But
I think the timeline is probably the same. Two or
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three years really gives you enough of a body of
work to be able to actually legitimately say, hey, you
can be a good player in this league or you're
not going to be in this league much longer. And
we got to find somebody else.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
If you're looking at a tackle, maybe even a guard
as well, more important, footwork or your hands?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Footwork is everything.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
I mean, you can get your hands beat, but if
your feet aren't beat, you can always stay in front
of the guy and you can refit your hands. But,
you know, the footwork is everything. Balance, being able to
have that power, that leverage, get into those positions, move quickly,
move in balance to react to the second and third moves.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
That's everything as an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, I'm always fascinated. And we've talked about this before.
Are we developing really good offensive linemen? It feels like
edge rushers. We are going out of our way and
now coming back maybe to nose tackles as well. But
the college game offensively, as opposed to defensively on developing players.
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Are we further along defensively for developing you for the
NFL or offensively?
Speaker 10 (26:47):
Well, I think defense is way ahead, and I think
it's going to continue to be that way just because
of how you learn the position. When you think about
what makes a great offensive lineman, for the most part,
it's who pass blocks really well, right? And so to
be a good pass blocker, you have to get millions
of situations where you're reacting to what the defense is doing,
which means you need millions of reps in practice, in games,
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where you're going against a live pass rusher that's coming
at you. And then you have to react to be
able to adjust your hand placement, your footwork, And on defense,
it's a lot easier to get those reps against a dummy,
maybe against your teammate who's giving you his hands. He's
showing you exactly what an offensive lineman can do. You
can get those full speed reps because you're dictating what
happens in that play. Whereas an offense, you have to
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have somebody to do it to you. And because we're
just not practicing in pads quite as much, we don't
get as much training camp as we used to. But
do you think getting the reps that it takes to
develop an offensive lineman?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But are we using the first four games? Are all
teams using those first four games? as the new preseason.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Yeah, but that just means then they're getting less reps
throughout the course of a season because you get less
training camp time. And then you're using those first four
games of the season basically to as almost like your
preseason where guys are getting into shape, they're getting those
extra reps. And I mean, I agree with the strategy
because the point is not to develop guys. The point
is to win a Super Bowl and try to be
great in December and January. But I think the things
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that get hurt because of that strategy is because then
you don't get those reps in training camp that you
used to to be able to develop guys at position
like an offensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You started out two and one in twenty eleven.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
You were a great year.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You were one in two, four times in your career.
You were oh, and three, six times in your career.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Why did you have to set it up?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
How tough is it when you you know you're going
to lose? It's the question is how you're going to lose.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
Well, that's awful because you're like, what am I doing
all this work for? If I'm going to go out,
I just get to find out how I'm going to
lose on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
You know, you could take care of your business and
you did, but you were going to lose. Odds are
you were going to lose. Not that you went in
with a negative mindset, but after a while, like the
losing permeates a locker room. And I can't help but
take it home, I'm going to guess. So how do
you how do you go about doing that?
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Yeah, I mean, you do take it home.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
And, you know, that's why throughout my career, I had
a moment in year 10 where I really was struggling mentally,
had to go see our team psychologist to kind of
talk to somebody because that feeling of, hey, I'm putting
in this work, I'm getting my body ready to win.
I'm convincing myself we're going to go out and win
and then you don't do it. That happens so many times,
like it's it's hard to keep fooling yourself, but I
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think how you do it and how you get the
most out of yourself is just focusing on the little
details and focusing on me trying to be perfect. Like
that's my grade sheet. I'm not looking at the scoreboard.
I'm not looking at our records. I'm just literally looking
at me versus my grade sheet, almost like you would
in a track and field meet, right? I was a
track guy in high school, a couple of years at
Wisconsin shot and disc. And yes, I wanted our team
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to score the most points and win the meet and
win big 10, but win nationals. But like in the end,
what can I do to help my team win? And
that's be the best version of myself. It's me versus
that tape measure and shot and disc and football.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
As a left tackle. It's me versus my grade sheet.
Speaker 10 (30:16):
I need to go out and be perfect to be
able to set the table. So those other guys, those
skill guys have a chance to go score touchdowns and
be great. And then they can be the ones that
hopefully help your team win. And then you can celebrate
with them. But if not, Hey, I can't get too
emotional high or low when you win or lose. I
need to be so laser focused on doing my job
and figuring out how do I be perfect and just
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focus on myself alone.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
But you went to see a therapist.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I did. Did it help? It did.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
Honestly, just talking to somebody, talking through it, you know,
not feeling like I was alone out there, not feeling like,
you know, I didn't have anybody to kind of share
my gripes with other than my wife who heard plenty
of them.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
And I give her a lot of credit for dealing
with that for.
Speaker 10 (30:59):
11 years in Cleveland, but just Honestly, just the act
of talking with somebody was huge for me and being
able to kind of share my feelings of not having
control over the outcome.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
That was really, really big.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
And just a few sessions helped me get that mental
reset that I needed to be able to go back
out there and find a way each and every week
to be the best version of myself.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, you're a winner in my book, Joe.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Hey, well, thanks, Dan. I appreciate that. The only one
that matters.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yes. Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the game tonight. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Awesome.
Speaker 10 (31:34):
I'll be having my Hall of Fame beef stick with
the family, watching the game, hoping we can cheer the
Browns on to 3-1 and first place in the AFC North.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Thanks for having me on, Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Halloffamefarms.com. He's Hall of Famer, Joe Thomas. Take a break.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Last call for phone calls, what we learned, what's in
store tomorrow, right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
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Speaker 2 (32:04):
We're thinking about maybe auctioning off the hoodie that I'm wearing,
similar to the Michael Jordan flu game jersey. I'm going
to talk to Darren Revell, who knows the business of
sports auctions and You know, this will be a moment
that a lot of the younger people working here will
be telling their grandkids that, yes, they were there.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Do you think it'll go for more than your house?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Like Michael Jordan?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I don't know. I mean, it's really in the eye
of the beholder.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Somebody who loves the show and loves seeing somebody persevere.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Without having a Scotty Pippen there to lean on.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Well, I mean, I was going to just say I
could be Scotty Pippen.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Oh, God.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No, you're not. All right.
Speaker 12 (32:54):
Rodman?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
No, I think you're like a Luke Longley.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Maybe a Judd Bushler. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I want to be Randy Brown. Okay. There for the celebration.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, you can be Randy Brown. Yes, Ray.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
You can look like Jerry Krause.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Ray?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Wow, that's a shot, Ray. Is that a me?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm not even going to go anywhere. Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
He, I think, just said that you could resemble Jerry Krause.
Have you seen Monsters, Inc.? The late Jerry Krause.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Have you ever seen Monsters, Inc.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You know Randall from Monsters, Inc.
Speaker 16 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
All right, Ray.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Now, Ray's got a Jared Goff look about him. That's
too kind.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Like, if I close my good eye... Like he kind
of looks like Jared Goff a little bit. You got
a few doppelgangers. Marvin, you're Michael Penn.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
That was so wild. They were like, he's black.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
You look just like him because he's black. Let's see.
Zach in Knoxville.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Hi, Zach.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 11 (34:08):
ADP, thanks for taking my call. I don't want to
go too conspiracy theory on you, but there is a
band with a certain lyric that says, wake me up
when September ends. So I'm wondering if maybe Estelle is
a sleeper agent, a Green Day sleeper agent, trying to
put you to sleep in October.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I still hear from the Green Day fans occasionally. I
don't have any problem with the band. I just didn't
think they were Hall of Fame worthy fans.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know. Felt like they should have worked a
little harder, maybe waited a little longer. That's all.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm probably not making things any better here. And look,
Billy Joe is very talented.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I get it. Yes, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
For starters, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is
probably the easiest Hall of Fame to get into, it seems.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's pretty wide net.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Also, if you think Foreigner belongs in there, Green Day
absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, but Foreigner was before Green Day. Yeah, so... Okay,
let them get in.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
But I'm saying, like, if you think Foreigners has the
qualifications to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
then Green Day absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
No, Green Day can be in the Hall of Fame.
So what's the argument? They got in, it felt like,
sooner than I thought. Oh, prematurely. That's all. That's it.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
They've been around for a while.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
They've been around longer than I realized. But what did
I do?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Like an all-great journalist, I went to the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame to see the Green Day exhibit.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Boots on the ground.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That was it. I saw the exhibit and then I left.
Just wanted to get a better feel of Green Day.
Wake me when September ends. David in Ohio. Hi, David.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (35:51):
Speaker 4 05, Hey, what's going on, Dan?
Speaker 16 (35:53):
I got a Mike common side of the day for
you real quick. Before 2014, Mike Tomlin went five and
three in the playoffs, a 62% win rate. Then he
apparently put down the football and opened up Minecraft. Then
starting his Michael city and 2014 common is just three
and nine in the playoffs, a 25% win rate. So
he won five playoff games in his first seven seasons
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and only three in the next 12 Steelers fans should
be very mad. Maybe somebody needs to go into that
Minecraft city and find the missing playoff wins.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
All right, David. David on hold for the entire show
for that. Thank you, David.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Episode one ran about 20 minutes, focused on rooftops, penthouses,
and urban living. I don't know Minecraft. I'm aware of Minecraft,
but a 12-year project for building this city.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yes, Ray?
Speaker 15 (36:44):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
It's very tedious, but he showed off his new hotel,
which featured an aquarium in every single room, and he
was very proud of himself.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Keith in Tampa. Hi, Keith. What do you have for
me today?
Speaker 13 (36:57):
Hey, Dan.
Speaker 12 (36:59):
Regarding your Drake May take, and I think you hit
the nail on the head in the case of the Yips,
but I couldn't help but to think, and I want
to call it the Ricky Bobby syndrome with Drake May.
There's a part in Talladega Nights.
Speaker 15 (37:16):
And I could only imagine Coach Rabel and Josh McDaniel
sitting across from Drake May, telling him he's not hurt
simultaneously by Drake May. He's grabbing a knife, getting ready
to stick it in his leg, and he's like, don't
you stick that knife in your leg.
Speaker 12 (37:31):
And then he kind of had the yips and was
scared to go fast before he could finally win again.
But he better wake up quick because John Pierre Paul said,
and Josh Allen coming to town, man.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Okay. All right, Keith. Thank you, sir. Brody in Nebraska. Hi, Brody.
How we doing, Dan?
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Thanks for the call.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, Brody.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
For taking my call.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
So, you know, I got a 12-year-old son at home
that's obsessed with sports and football and baseball. And we
got discussed in the postseason baseball, great.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Time of the year.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
But as of last night, you know, we had three
teams in the bottom five, along.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
With three or four teams.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Up there at the top of the payroll. All the
NIL money going through college, all of the talk about
the cost.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And paying all these people.
Speaker 8 (38:28):
All this amount of money. I got a 12-year-old son
now starting quarterback of his little tackle football team. You know,
I want to know, Dad, how do I go on
to have somebody pick me up for the next high
school and be the best quarterback at this high school?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
When is enough enough with this? It's getting out of control. Well,
it's up to you. I'm going to start with you
of setting guidelines, demands.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Talk about the concerns that you have. Are you going
to be on a travel team? Are you going to
have a personal trainer? I mean, this goes deep. It
goes as deep as you.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Allow it to go.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Now, granted, my dad didn't have the money to spend
that if I wanted that growing up, but it wasn't
available for us.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
You just played. But we enjoyed playing.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I didn't feel like I was playing for any other
reason other than I enjoyed it. And it feels like
there's always a carrot in front of these kids. Got
to go get it. Got to go get it. Got
to go get it. If you don't do it, that
guy's going to do it. It's let them enjoy as
much as they can for as long as they can.
Because the serious stuff is going to start, you know,
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when they get into high school and then they go
to college.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Let them enjoy now. It's supposed to be fun. It's
a game.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You can play hard. But make sure they enjoy this.
Ask them, are you enjoying this? Because you might be surprised.
Not everybody's going to answer the way you think they're
going to. They might be playing because of you. Make
sure they're playing because they want to play. Because we
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play to win the game, of course.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yes, Marvin. No, point.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
I just saw what you did there. That was good.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
On this date, 1932, Babe Ruth called his shot, pointed
to center field before homering Yankees over the Cubs, Game
3 of the World Series. Didn't that World Series end
with Babe getting thrown out at second base, trying to steal?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Todd, what'd you learn today?
Speaker 14 (40:31):
Joe Thomas doesn't want to look too far ahead with
his Browns, just enjoying that they're competitive heading into tonight's game.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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That starts at 8 Eastern on NBC and Peacock.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Todd is here. Dylan is here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Marvin and Big Day Ray, part of the gambling podcast,
will tape the next episode right after the show with
Shane Irving, also Dylan. All right, Dill, clean up the
poll questions, and let's move on to our final hour
poll question.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Who you got tonight, Steelers?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Browns, 57% are taking the Steelers, and we can kind
of roll that one into the final hour if we'd like.
Will you be watching Game 3 of Phillies Braves or
Thursday Night Football since they start at basically the same time?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I was wondering why baseball didn't go maybe 5.30,
6 o'clock start. Try to get in there early, and
maybe you get a really good game. You capture the audience.
But when you're going to go toe-to-toe with the NFL,
it usually doesn't work out well. But I'm not in
TV programming. I just watch TV programming. 877-3DP-SHOW-OPERATOR. Tyler, he's
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sitting by. He'll take your phone calls, and we'll come
up with a poll question. Final hour of the program,
what are you going to have? So we have that,
and then we have a couple other options.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
If you had to make the deal today, would you
sign Drake May to a big extension?
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I don't know if his shoulder is still bothering him.
I don't know when he got hurt with that shoulder. Ray,
maybe you could find that out because I have been
bringing this up ad nauseum of look at the five games,
look at the postseason last year, not just the Super Bowl.
Something was off there. I don't know if his shoulder
is bothering him, but this is an issue. Now, you
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can say he doesn't have A.J. Brown. He had Stephon
Diggs last year, but I don't think he had a
typical number one wide receiver, and he still made it work. Yeah, Ray.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
I'm seeing you hurt his shoulder in the AFC championship
game against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
OK, so then what does that mean for the, you know,
previous games where he didn't play well? If, you know,
you got the injury and I think he's thrown one
touchdown pass with six interceptions. And he's thinking and he's
guiding and. Here's Mike Vrabel, his head coach on the
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struggles of Drake May. And is there any issue there?
tension between coach and quarterback.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
Greg Hill said this morning that he had heard that
there was.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
An issue between you and Drake May.
Speaker 8 (03:07):
Are there any issues?
Speaker 9 (03:11):
Unnamed sources? Okay, let me just tell you why I'm here.
I'm here because Drake was the quarterback. Believe it or not,
I had choices to where I wanted to coach. I
wanted to coach here because Drake was the quarterback. So
I don't have really much other to add to that about,
you know, a comment from an unnamed source. But I'll
just tell you what I've told numerous people if they
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want to ask me why I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Okay, Greg Hill hosts a radio show in Boston. And
I think Coach goes on that.
Speaker 10 (03:43):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think Belichick did. I don't know if Mike Brable does.
But he would have a chance to ask, Coach. But
he said no, that one of the reasons why he
came to the Patriots was because of Drake May. And
he did finish runner-up in the MVP. And he did
get to a Super Bowl. That is a great payoff.
If you're Mike Brable and you're not sure where you
want to go, do you want to follow kind of
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in the shadow of Bill Belichick? And he wasn't afraid
because maybe he had found his Tom Brady in Drake May.
And maybe he still has. But there's something wrong with
the situation. And that's what I think as we move forward.
Would I give Drake May?
Speaker 11 (04:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, okay, if I have to decide today, I'm going
to say yes. But, I mean, do I want to
give $ 55 million? I have to know what's wrong, first
of all. Like, let's decide, let's figure out what is wrong.
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Now is it fixable? How fixable is this? Is this surgery?
Is this something mentally? Does he have the yips? There's
a lot of things that could go into this. I'd
need to know that. Now, if you said, hey, that
shoulder is bothering him, it can be repaired.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But if he's saying, you know, it's not my shoulder.
Speaker 12 (05:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Then what is it? Yeah, Dylan. Yeah, it just seems
like the.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
If they were to sign him, it shifted from where
last year would have been like, this is our guy,
we love him, and now signing him would be like,
it would leave us in a position of uncertainty at
the quarterback spot. It's less about paying him for what
he's doing for you and more about just locking up
a guy.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean, even at that position, I don't want
to rush to lock you up. I applaud what the
Texans did. I applaud what the Panthers did. I think
Bryce Young has played his way so far into a
contract extension.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
C.J.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Stroud has not.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And having that extra year or two years might prove
to be financially beneficial if they have to move on.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Instead of, like the Cardinals, Kyler Murray didn't have any leverage.
You're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You're under contract. Oh, you got to sign him up.
And I go, no, you don't. Even Baker Mayfield, did
he earn it?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But do you want, it feels like they've got a
coach that might be on the hot seat. Okay, that
next coach that comes in, is he going to be
comfortable with Baker Mayfield making $ 55 million?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It's tricky.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's three years now. And now he's hurt. They're off
to a bad start. And that's a winnable division. and
you might have changes in the offseason already.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, Ray? The Bucs are kind of.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
In a tough spot.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
They've let Dave Canales go, done well in Carolina, and
then Liam Cohen is doing great in Jacksonville, and they
kept him for Todd Bowles.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think it's a really tenuous situation there right now.
And look, the coach always pays the price here, not
the quarterback, and usually not the GM.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yes, Marvin?
Speaker 5 (07:08):
And I think it's going to be a tough spot
for the Patriots between Drake Mays agent and the Patriots
because of the Super Bowl appearance and the MVP candidacy.
They're going to say, look what he did for you guys.
And so you have to pay him this much. Maybe
you can't give him the Baker Mayfield type of deal.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But I don't have to give him anything right now.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I just mean just going forward when they have contract talks.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, but I'm like, I'm going to wait after this
year and I might have to wait after the next year.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yes, Ray.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
When do you officially push the panic button? Their next
three games, Bills, Raiders, Jets, Bears, and then Dolphins.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
So next five games.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, they could win three of those games. Then all
of a sudden, OK, but they can win them. I
want to know if he played well. That's the biggest
issue here. And he just doesn't look comfortable. But it's
not all on him, but the focus is on him
because he was the Super Bowl, you know, he's in
the Super Bowl and he was.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
An MVP runner-up.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And if I'm going to include him with Joe Burrow
and Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, then
I have to hold him to that standard. And right now,
he is nowhere near those other quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yes, Ray?
Speaker 7 (08:23):
That draft class has done roller coasters. It was Jaden Daniels,
then it was Drake May, Caleb Williams, up and down,
up and down.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
All right. Some phone calls here. Let's see. Brett in L.A. Hi, Brett.
What do you have for me? Hey, Dan.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Good morning.
Speaker 13 (08:40):
Two hundred six foot.
Speaker 11 (08:43):
OK.
Speaker 13 (08:46):
I got some breaking news for you and a quick
round the room poll question. Uh, my direct line to
the executive room is tell me JJ Watt may be
on deck tonight for Philly's brave. So be on the
lookout for that chin up, Todd, get through it. I
haven't seen you this tore up since you got stuck
in that costume, but quick round the room poll question.
Would you rather faint from getting blood drawn or have
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a very public panic attack when you get a tight spot?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Thanks, Dan.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
All right.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Thank you, Brad.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Uh, Todd had a bad part of the last hour. But,
you know, it's a new hour.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
We regroup.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We move forward there. And I think Brett was having
fun saying J.J. Watt was going to be on the
call for Phillies and the Braves tonight, Todd.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
I picked up on that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Okay, yeah. He was just having a little bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
What else did he ask in there?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Would you rather have a public panic attack or almost faint? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, I nearly fainted this morning. I gave I gave
they took blood and I was gone. I was I
was going to flatline there in my kitchen at 7.30
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Got the wife there and she's going, are you okay?
I go, no. Wait, are you going to faint?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes. All right, let me get you some juice and
a cookie and some ice. And Estelle was the person
who was drawing the blood after she Poked one vein
and it didn't work. You know, when somebody says, and
there's no blood flowing there. Well, I've heard that before,
but I'm like, wait a minute. Come on, Estelle. You
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should be able to fill up those vials. And then
she goes, well, give me your other arm. And then,
you know, jab me with that. Maybe that's what it was.
Maybe it's the second one.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Does that just mean she missed entirely on the first one?
I imagine if you stick a vein, blood is flowing.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I have really good veins. So she couldn't miss?
Speaker 8 (10:52):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
When I walk in to give blood, and, you know,
these women who are going to draw your blood, they're like, oh, yeah,
because they know I just made life easier for them.
I would have thought when Estelle goes, oh, yeah, you
got a good vein there.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I said, yeah. Go get it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Untap that one. Turn the faucet on, Estelle. And then
she goes, there's no blood.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
OK.
Speaker 14 (11:20):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Marvin, did you ever think about not coming into work today?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
No, I didn't know if I'd be able to get here.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
My wife was going to drive me and drop me
off like a little schoolboy.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But I had to rally.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Because I have to set the example for the younger
people who work here. Like we have a guy who's,
Jack is 21 years of age. He needs a mentor.
You know, Billy Tips back there. I think he's like 14.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And a half.
Speaker 15 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I mean, Anthony.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Anthony's 22. This is where they're going to be telling
their grandkids. You know, I was there that day.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
No. Was it like the.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Jordan flu game? Yeah, only worse.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
Really?
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Hashtag warrior. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Who do you want to direct as 30 for 30?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think Antoine Fuqua. Didn't he do Training Day?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
He did.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay. You didn't think you were going to get that,
did you, Marvin?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
No way.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Antoine Fuqua.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Yes, Ray.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
I think Wright Thompson's working on a featured.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Story right now.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Danny Land?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, you know, if Wright Thompson said, you know, I'd
like to do a feature, a deep dive on you,
I'd go, nope, nope. There's things that I don't want
to learn about myself that Wright Thompson will find out
about myself. I still, I went back and read his
profile of Joe Montana. And when you think about it,
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Joe Coole Beautiful wife, family, money. But Wright Thompson focused
on Joe Montana was no longer the greatest quarterback alive.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And you lose that designation.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I didn't even think of that. Because now it's Tom Brady.
And now Patrick Mahomes is in the conversation. It's like, oh, yeah.
Like Joe Montana's an oh, yeah. And it was never
that way.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And Joe even said, hey, I don't know what it's
like to lose a Super Bowl. I went 4-0. But
Wright Thompson zeroed in on that. And that's, I mean,
there's very few people in the world who are able
to do that like Wright Thompson. It's what is it
that makes you you? Or who are you now? And
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just to, he did a profile on Pat Riley.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
And it was, whoa.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So if Wright Thompson ever was short on subjects and
he goes, I'm thinking about doing it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Nope, nope, nope, nope, no profile here.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So tell me about the day you almost fainted giving blood. Well, Wright,
it was a sunny Thursday morning. We just started the
month of October. And I almost went down for the count.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yes, Mark.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Our trailer for the last dance documentary that we're working
on is going to be so good. When everyone gets
their mics, they start sitting down with little violin strings,
and Keith Oberman comes up out of nowhere, and Chris
Berman and us.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
And I got my tequila there, and I got my
cigar there.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
You're looking out on the beach?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And somehow I'm asked about Isaiah Thomas and being frozen
out from the dream team.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I'll answer, yes. Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, I mean, when you came in this morning, you
looked like you just had the gym. You had your
white shirt on, which you'd sweat through, and your hair
was all over the place.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I was a mess when I came in today. There
was no doubt about it. And I was driving very slowly, carefully.
And I needed a little bit of assistance there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well, if you'd like to know, I have an update
on our first hour poll question. Am I soft or hard?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Are you soft or hard, Dan? And you're probably the
best one to answer that.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
But people say 52% are now leaning soft.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's just one of those where, you know, when sometimes
you get an injury, somebody sees you and you go, oh,
basketball injury. And you go, no, I tripped over my
granddaughter's toy. And you kind of want to, if you, man,
you look bad. You should see the other guy.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Now, there's nothing manly about what happened. Yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Why did you decide to do it in the morning?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Because I have to get that done. And then I'm
here most of the day. And I'm going to go
for another stem cell procedure. They had to have new
blood work. I had to get it done. And I'm
planning on doing that in November. And therefore, I had
to do that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But I'm okay. Yes, Dylan. Is that because you can't eat?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Beforehand was that no i could that was my first
thought was it's like oh it must be food related
why you did in the morning.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
How about we take a break here joe thomas hall
of famer tough guy i don't think he missed a
snap in his nfl career i think he played like
10 000 consecutive snaps probably never gave blood in the
morning We'll talk to Joe Thomas, Brown's Hall of Famer, next.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern, 6 a.m. Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 14 (16:52):
Stu Gatz here, pleased to be hosting college football with
Stu Gatz and the Bear. We do it two times
a week, every Monday, every single Friday throughout the college
football season. You can expect a little bit of this.
Will Stein, the head coach at Kentucky, joins us. Open
bar at a wedding, ordering a Shirley Temple. Will or
will not?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Will not.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Ketchup on steak.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Will or will not? Will not.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
A little bit of this.
Speaker 14 (17:19):
Rhys Davis, host of College Game Day, is with us now.
Speaker 16 (17:21):
And then I'm going home to the BBC, and they're
saying Jockovich instead of Jokovich.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Right, because you can't say Jockovich.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
If you do, you know the blowback you're going to
get from the American audience. And a whole lot of this.
Speaker 14 (17:39):
Listen to college football with Stugatz and the Bear on
the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
15 ACL ruptures. The average age of the players in
the NFL, 25. 60% offensive players. 80% happened on grass surfaces. Also,
Seven Achilles tendon ruptures. The average age, 26. 86% are
defensive players. No, no, no, I'm not done yet. 71%
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on the defensive line. 71% on grass surfaces. Once again,
I don't know what it means, but it feels like
there's more Achilles injuries now than there used to be.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
There's always going to be ACL or MCL.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Always.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But with the Achilles, but also the technology of getting
you back, it's weird. It feels like there's more, but
they're returning quicker.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Usually eight months. Eight months or less. Yes, Ray? Do
you think the.
Speaker 7 (18:50):
Lack of preseason reps plays into any of this at all?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Because you can scrimmage. But when you play in a game,
it's different, completely different. And the fact that the preseason
is really for the players who are marginal, might make
the team, and the starters.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Are just there.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
And then we're finding out that it's the first four
games we kind of look at as that's the new
preseason in the NFL. Let me bring in the Hall
of Famer Joe Thomas. Make sure you visit HallOfFameFarms.com. Check
out everything that Joe Thomas, the owner of the farm,
has to offer, including the Wagyu beef business.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Did you ever miss a snap in the NFL in
your career?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Never missed a single one, Dan. Ten and a half years.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
How close did you come to missing a snap or
a game?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
The closest I ever came was, I think, 2004.
Speaker 10 (19:50):
It was the last game of the season, Week 17
in Pittsburgh, and I actually got a grade two LCL tear.
I was able to kind of play through it the
rest of the game, kind of hobble through it. Doctor said, hey,
we'll check it out MRI tomorrow, but I don't think
anything's wrong.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I think you're OK. Found out it was an LCL, but.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
Thankfully it was the last game of the season or
I would have missed like four or five weeks.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, I nearly fainted today giving blood. So I don't
know if that's similar to the feeling you had.
Speaker 15 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I was going down on the kitchen table today. Just
want to let you know.
Speaker 11 (20:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I mean, I know the feeling. I know what it's
like to be in the trenches. I can relate, Joe.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Yes, completely.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
A very relatable guy there, Dan. You know, the card's
in the mail. Hopefully we don't have to start a
GoFundMe here.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Thank you. Your Cleveland Browns are 2-1.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And I look at the schedule and you got Jets, Ravens, Titans.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You could conceivably be 5-2. You win tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
How are you looking at the Browns as far as
I don't want to say a contender, but let's look
at them as competitive.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
How about that? Competitive, not a contender.
Speaker 10 (21:03):
I'm just happy we get to use the competitive word
because that's fun. And that's as far as I'm looking
into the season so far. I think going into the
season as Browns fans. We had hoped that they could
be competitive, they could be better, that Todd Munkin could
come in and kind of install culture and make them fun,
make them fun to watch. And I think that's what
he's done. And I think we're just trying to enjoy
the moment right now. If you win tonight, you're in
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first place by yourself in the AFC North. Let's just
enjoy that without looking too far down the line and
spoiling it potentially.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
What is the key to beating Pittsburgh, considering they didn't
have Joey Porter and beat the Bengals, and then now
they trade him, but they do come in as favorites
tonight in Cleveland?
Speaker 10 (21:45):
Yeah, I think it's all about how do you get
to Aaron Rodgers? You know, he's got the quickest release
in the NFL. He's going to pick you apart if
you let him sit back there and you give him
a clean pocket.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And that's where it really comes down to Mason Graham.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
This is his second year. He was their top five
choice last year. Didn't have a lot of production, but
he's already got four sacks.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
In the first three weeks of the season. Yeah, he's
a problem.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
Yeah, and you've got to be able to get pressure
up the middle on these quarterbacks that want to throw
the ball quickly. And so for him tonight... You got
to be able to collapse the pocket, get in Aaron
Rodgers's face and make him move off of the spot
that he wants to throw from. So he has to
readjust his feet and throw off of an unusual platform.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I like the Browns nucleus in game plan moving forward.
I'm not sold on Deshaun, but if he plays competitive football,
doesn't make mistakes.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
OK, I'm fine with that. Then you make your decision
at the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Pittsburgh is the one that is really curious to me, Joe.
You just got rid of Joey Porter Jr., who's one
of the best corners in the game. You're an old team.
It feels like they're not sure if they're rebuilding, maybe reloading,
but moving forward with this team, I like the Browns
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moving forward more than I do Pittsburgh.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
Well, doesn't it feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers have had
an old team forever? I mean, like when I got
into the league, they were an old team and it
just seems like they've done a great job of building culture,
building structure.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
They reload. They've done a good job developing players.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And I think.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
One of the reasons they haven't won maybe more Super
Bowls is because they really never had to reload and
completely tear things down and start over with high draft
choices and a lot of salary cap space.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
But it's kept them competitive.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
But I think to your point, like if you look
over the next five years, who's got the better outlook?
I would say it's probably the Browns because of their
draft capital, because of the resources that they've saved with
salary cap space. And it's not really clear if the
Pittsburgh Steelers are going to be able to just quickly
reload and find a new quarterback next season and to
be able to kind of continue to build, or if
they are going to have to go through one of
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those big, deep rebuilding phases where they're bad for a
several-year stretch.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
We're talking to Hall of Famer Joe Thomas. Make sure
you go to halloffamefarms.com. Check out everything that he has
on his farm, including the Wagyu beef barbecue.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Business there. We look at.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Quarterbacks, we kind of give them two years, but I'm
curious with other positions. How long do we give an
offensive lineman? And I know the pay is not the same,
but how long until you know somebody can or can't
play that position? Let's look at the other ones and
any other position you look at and you go, you
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might have a two-year window to prove yourself like quarterbacks.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
I think quarterback's the hardest one because it's so much mental.
It's about those quick decisions that you have to make
in a split second, two seconds back there in the pocket.
You've got to consistently make the right decision. So all
the quarterbacks in the league have great arms. They can
throw accurately. But can you do that consistently? Whereas an
offensive lineman, I think when you look at him, you say, OK,
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Do they have the flexibility, the mobility, the power, the
strength to be able to hit the positions biomechanically that
they need to, to be able to move guys off
the line of scrimmage, to be able to pass that
effectively and consistently. But then the question is, can you
do like those movements over and over again? And so
you watch a guy and can they win against all
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the different pass rush moves that they're going to get?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
If it's a yes, then it's okay.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
Can they steadily make progress where they're making fewer and
fewer mistakes and So I think it's easier to project
alignment because it's physical traits and then removing the mistakes.
Whereas with a quarterback, it's those mental mistakes. And two
or three a game gets you on the bench and
more than that gets you out of the league. So
I think it's a lot more difficult to project. But
I think the timeline is probably the same. Two or
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three years really gives you enough of a body of
work to be able to actually legitimately say, hey, you
can be a good player in this league or you're
not going to be in this league much longer. And
we got to find somebody else.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
If you're looking at a tackle, maybe even a guard
as well, more important, footwork or your hands?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
Footwork is everything.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
I mean, you can get your hands beat, but if
your feet aren't beat, you can always stay in front
of the guy and you can refit your hands. But,
you know, the footwork is everything. Balance, being able to
have that power, that leverage, get into those positions, move quickly,
move in balance to react to the second and third moves.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
That's everything as an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, I'm always fascinated. And we've talked about this before.
Are we developing really good offensive linemen? It feels like
edge rushers. We are going out of our way and
now coming back maybe to nose tackles as well. But
the college game offensively, as opposed to defensively on developing players.
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Are we further along defensively for developing you for the
NFL or offensively?
Speaker 10 (26:47):
Well, I think defense is way ahead, and I think
it's going to continue to be that way just because
of how you learn the position. When you think about
what makes a great offensive lineman, for the most part,
it's who pass blocks really well, right? And so to
be a good pass blocker, you have to get millions
of situations where you're reacting to what the defense is doing,
which means you need millions of reps in practice, in games,
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where you're going against a live pass rusher that's coming
at you. And then you have to react to be
able to adjust your hand placement, your footwork, And on defense,
it's a lot easier to get those reps against a dummy,
maybe against your teammate who's giving you his hands. He's
showing you exactly what an offensive lineman can do. You
can get those full speed reps because you're dictating what
happens in that play. Whereas an offense, you have to
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have somebody to do it to you. And because we're
just not practicing in pads quite as much, we don't
get as much training camp as we used to. But
do you think getting the reps that it takes to
develop an offensive lineman?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But are we using the first four games? Are all
teams using those first four games? as the new preseason.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Yeah, but that just means then they're getting less reps
throughout the course of a season because you get less
training camp time. And then you're using those first four
games of the season basically to as almost like your
preseason where guys are getting into shape, they're getting those
extra reps. And I mean, I agree with the strategy
because the point is not to develop guys. The point
is to win a Super Bowl and try to be
great in December and January. But I think the things
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that get hurt because of that strategy is because then
you don't get those reps in training camp that you
used to to be able to develop guys at position
like an offensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You started out two and one in twenty eleven.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
You were a great year.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You were one in two, four times in your career.
You were oh, and three, six times in your career.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Why did you have to set it up?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
How tough is it when you you know you're going
to lose? It's the question is how you're going to lose.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
Well, that's awful because you're like, what am I doing
all this work for? If I'm going to go out,
I just get to find out how I'm going to
lose on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
You know, you could take care of your business and
you did, but you were going to lose. Odds are
you were going to lose. Not that you went in
with a negative mindset, but after a while, like the
losing permeates a locker room. And I can't help but
take it home, I'm going to guess. So how do
you how do you go about doing that?
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Yeah, I mean, you do take it home.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
And, you know, that's why throughout my career, I had
a moment in year 10 where I really was struggling mentally,
had to go see our team psychologist to kind of
talk to somebody because that feeling of, hey, I'm putting
in this work, I'm getting my body ready to win.
I'm convincing myself we're going to go out and win
and then you don't do it. That happens so many times,
like it's it's hard to keep fooling yourself, but I
(29:39):
think how you do it and how you get the
most out of yourself is just focusing on the little
details and focusing on me trying to be perfect. Like
that's my grade sheet. I'm not looking at the scoreboard.
I'm not looking at our records. I'm just literally looking
at me versus my grade sheet, almost like you would
in a track and field meet, right? I was a
track guy in high school, a couple of years at
Wisconsin shot and disc. And yes, I wanted our team
(30:01):
to score the most points and win the meet and
win big 10, but win nationals. But like in the end,
what can I do to help my team win? And
that's be the best version of myself. It's me versus
that tape measure and shot and disc and football.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
As a left tackle. It's me versus my grade sheet.
Speaker 10 (30:16):
I need to go out and be perfect to be
able to set the table. So those other guys, those
skill guys have a chance to go score touchdowns and
be great. And then they can be the ones that
hopefully help your team win. And then you can celebrate
with them. But if not, Hey, I can't get too
emotional high or low when you win or lose. I
need to be so laser focused on doing my job
and figuring out how do I be perfect and just
(30:37):
focus on myself alone.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
But you went to see a therapist.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I did. Did it help? It did.
Speaker 10 (30:45):
Honestly, just talking to somebody, talking through it, you know,
not feeling like I was alone out there, not feeling like,
you know, I didn't have anybody to kind of share
my gripes with other than my wife who heard plenty
of them.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
And I give her a lot of credit for dealing
with that for.
Speaker 10 (30:59):
11 years in Cleveland, but just Honestly, just the act
of talking with somebody was huge for me and being
able to kind of share my feelings of not having
control over the outcome.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
That was really, really big.
Speaker 10 (31:12):
And just a few sessions helped me get that mental
reset that I needed to be able to go back
out there and find a way each and every week
to be the best version of myself.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, you're a winner in my book, Joe.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Hey, well, thanks, Dan. I appreciate that. The only one
that matters.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yes. Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the game tonight. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Awesome.
Speaker 10 (31:34):
I'll be having my Hall of Fame beef stick with
the family, watching the game, hoping we can cheer the
Browns on to 3-1 and first place in the AFC North.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Thanks for having me on, Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Halloffamefarms.com. He's Hall of Famer, Joe Thomas. Take a break.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Last call for phone calls, what we learned, what's in
store tomorrow, right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
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Speaker 2 (32:04):
We're thinking about maybe auctioning off the hoodie that I'm wearing,
similar to the Michael Jordan flu game jersey. I'm going
to talk to Darren Revell, who knows the business of
sports auctions and You know, this will be a moment
that a lot of the younger people working here will
be telling their grandkids that, yes, they were there.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Do you think it'll go for more than your house?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Like Michael Jordan?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I don't know. I mean, it's really in the eye
of the beholder.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Somebody who loves the show and loves seeing somebody persevere.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Without having a Scotty Pippen there to lean on.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Well, I mean, I was going to just say I
could be Scotty Pippen.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
You can't.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Oh, God.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No, you're not. All right.
Speaker 12 (32:54):
Rodman?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
No, I think you're like a Luke Longley.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Maybe a Judd Bushler. Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I want to be Randy Brown. Okay. There for the celebration.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, you can be Randy Brown. Yes, Ray.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
You can look like Jerry Krause.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Ray?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Wow, that's a shot, Ray. Is that a me?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm not even going to go anywhere. Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
He, I think, just said that you could resemble Jerry Krause.
Have you seen Monsters, Inc.? The late Jerry Krause.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Have you ever seen Monsters, Inc.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You know Randall from Monsters, Inc.
Speaker 16 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
All right, Ray.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Now, Ray's got a Jared Goff look about him. That's
too kind.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Like, if I close my good eye... Like he kind
of looks like Jared Goff a little bit. You got
a few doppelgangers. Marvin, you're Michael Penn.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
That was so wild. They were like, he's black.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
You look just like him because he's black. Let's see.
Zach in Knoxville.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Hi, Zach.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
What do you have for me today?
Speaker 11 (34:08):
ADP, thanks for taking my call. I don't want to
go too conspiracy theory on you, but there is a
band with a certain lyric that says, wake me up
when September ends. So I'm wondering if maybe Estelle is
a sleeper agent, a Green Day sleeper agent, trying to
put you to sleep in October.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I still hear from the Green Day fans occasionally. I
don't have any problem with the band. I just didn't
think they were Hall of Fame worthy fans.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know. Felt like they should have worked a
little harder, maybe waited a little longer. That's all.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm probably not making things any better here. And look,
Billy Joe is very talented.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I get it. Yes, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
For starters, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is
probably the easiest Hall of Fame to get into, it seems.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's pretty wide net.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Also, if you think Foreigner belongs in there, Green Day
absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, but Foreigner was before Green Day. Yeah, so... Okay,
let them get in.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
But I'm saying, like, if you think Foreigners has the
qualifications to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
then Green Day absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
No, Green Day can be in the Hall of Fame.
So what's the argument? They got in, it felt like,
sooner than I thought. Oh, prematurely. That's all. That's it.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
They've been around for a while.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
They've been around longer than I realized. But what did
I do?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Like an all-great journalist, I went to the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame to see the Green Day exhibit.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Boots on the ground.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That was it. I saw the exhibit and then I left.
Just wanted to get a better feel of Green Day.
Wake me when September ends. David in Ohio. Hi, David.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (35:51):
Speaker 4 05, Hey, what's going on, Dan?
Speaker 16 (35:53):
I got a Mike common side of the day for
you real quick. Before 2014, Mike Tomlin went five and
three in the playoffs, a 62% win rate. Then he
apparently put down the football and opened up Minecraft. Then
starting his Michael city and 2014 common is just three
and nine in the playoffs, a 25% win rate. So
he won five playoff games in his first seven seasons
(36:14):
and only three in the next 12 Steelers fans should
be very mad. Maybe somebody needs to go into that
Minecraft city and find the missing playoff wins.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
All right, David. David on hold for the entire show
for that. Thank you, David.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Episode one ran about 20 minutes, focused on rooftops, penthouses,
and urban living. I don't know Minecraft. I'm aware of Minecraft,
but a 12-year project for building this city.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yes, Ray?
Speaker 15 (36:44):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
It's very tedious, but he showed off his new hotel,
which featured an aquarium in every single room, and he
was very proud of himself.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Keith in Tampa. Hi, Keith. What do you have for
me today?
Speaker 13 (36:57):
Hey, Dan.
Speaker 12 (36:59):
Regarding your Drake May take, and I think you hit
the nail on the head in the case of the Yips,
but I couldn't help but to think, and I want
to call it the Ricky Bobby syndrome with Drake May.
There's a part in Talladega Nights.
Speaker 15 (37:16):
And I could only imagine Coach Rabel and Josh McDaniel
sitting across from Drake May, telling him he's not hurt
simultaneously by Drake May. He's grabbing a knife, getting ready
to stick it in his leg, and he's like, don't
you stick that knife in your leg.
Speaker 12 (37:31):
And then he kind of had the yips and was
scared to go fast before he could finally win again.
But he better wake up quick because John Pierre Paul said,
and Josh Allen coming to town, man.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Okay. All right, Keith. Thank you, sir. Brody in Nebraska. Hi, Brody.
How we doing, Dan?
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Thanks for the call.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, Brody.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
For taking my call.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
So, you know, I got a 12-year-old son at home
that's obsessed with sports and football and baseball. And we
got discussed in the postseason baseball, great.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Time of the year.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
But as of last night, you know, we had three
teams in the bottom five, along.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
With three or four teams.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Up there at the top of the payroll. All the
NIL money going through college, all of the talk about
the cost.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And paying all these people.
Speaker 8 (38:28):
All this amount of money. I got a 12-year-old son
now starting quarterback of his little tackle football team. You know,
I want to know, Dad, how do I go on
to have somebody pick me up for the next high
school and be the best quarterback at this high school?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
When is enough enough with this? It's getting out of control. Well,
it's up to you. I'm going to start with you
of setting guidelines, demands.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Talk about the concerns that you have. Are you going
to be on a travel team? Are you going to
have a personal trainer? I mean, this goes deep. It
goes as deep as you.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Allow it to go.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Now, granted, my dad didn't have the money to spend
that if I wanted that growing up, but it wasn't
available for us.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
You just played. But we enjoyed playing.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I didn't feel like I was playing for any other
reason other than I enjoyed it. And it feels like
there's always a carrot in front of these kids. Got
to go get it. Got to go get it. Got
to go get it. If you don't do it, that
guy's going to do it. It's let them enjoy as
much as they can for as long as they can.
Because the serious stuff is going to start, you know,
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when they get into high school and then they go
to college.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Let them enjoy now. It's supposed to be fun. It's
a game.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You can play hard. But make sure they enjoy this.
Ask them, are you enjoying this? Because you might be surprised.
Not everybody's going to answer the way you think they're
going to. They might be playing because of you. Make
sure they're playing because they want to play. Because we
(40:08):
play to win the game, of course.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yes, Marvin. No, point.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
I just saw what you did there. That was good.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
On this date, 1932, Babe Ruth called his shot, pointed
to center field before homering Yankees over the Cubs, Game
3 of the World Series. Didn't that World Series end
with Babe getting thrown out at second base, trying to steal?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Todd, what'd you learn today?
Speaker 14 (40:31):
Joe Thomas doesn't want to look too far ahead with
his Browns, just enjoying that they're competitive heading into tonight's game.
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