June 2, 2026 • 41 mins
Dan turns back to the NBA on the eve of the NBA Finals and is glad to see we are getting the matchup most NBA fans were hoping for. And NBA analyst Jim Jackson stops in to preview the Knicks/Spurs series.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final hour in this Tuesday, we'll talk to Jim Jackson,
former player now an analyst for Fox Sports. We got
NBA tomorrow night tonight, you got the Stanley Cup Final
singular not plural, NBA Finals plural not singular, Golden Knights
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Peacock NBC Sports Network. All right, Dylan Pull, question for
the final hour of the program is gonna be what.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, Dan, what will you be watching more of the
NBA Finals? Are Stanley Cup Final?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Mm hmm, I would say the NBA Finals, but keeping
an eye on my Golden Knights of course in the
Stanley Cup Final and you get to see them both
on ABC. How about that? Basic cable. Yay, and we
got it. We can find it, you know, instead of
going what channel is this on? What streaming service? Is
(01:29):
this on? ABC? ESPN? Yes, the good old days? Yes, tons,
as easy as ABC, Yeah, thank you, ton, or as
easy as one two three or do rey.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Me little Jackson five actor? I like it?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, all right, so Tyler sitting by, he'll take your
phone calls here. This is the finals. I think if
unless it was going to be the Lakers against the Knicks,
which would be Dodgers Yankees, this is what people I
think wanted they didn't want, okase, this is global now
(02:07):
with Wemby, it's bigger than just you know, San Antonio
and New York. But if you do it against New
York in New York all of a sudden, it magnifies
that accomplishment there. But Wemby and look, I know that
Spurs are a slight favorite here and Wemby is the
(02:28):
favorite to win the MVP in the finals, but I
do not if I'm San Antonio, and I know they
don't take this Knixt team lightly. They the Knicks haven't
seen defense like this. If you look at these other
teams that they went through, Cleveland, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Josh Hart
and Jalen Brunson were not facing this kind of defense.
(02:50):
This is going to be a real test because of
that with Wemby, but also Stefan Castle with Dylan Harper.
I mean, they got guys who want to play defense
and play a physical style of defense. The Knicks have
guys who can play physical defense as well, Bridges and Anobi.
They are going to be a problem for San Antonio.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yes, Marvin, I am interested to see how Jalen Brunson
maneuvers in the paint, especially with Wembury around.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
They've done well against them before, so it's nothing new,
But it's just how does how do you kind of
maneuver with Wenby just standing like right there.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Brunson has a knack. It's just this inate ability to
find that little opening somehow you see something that somebody
else doesn't see. And he always seems to have you
just a little bit off balance. He has to have
you a little bit off balance because that's the only
way he's going to get a shot off. Yeah, Marv.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Also, I think everybody in the NBA should focus on
his footwork. He's got the best footwork in the NBA.
The way he keeps his pivot foot right there, and
he can maneuver the up and unders.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I mean, believable.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I don't know if Mike Breen can say at the
top of the broadcast, tune in and watch Jalen Brunson's
footwork next on ABC.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I didn't say to watch the footwork. I just said,
every NBA player.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
We were just having fun. Why won't you lighten up
a little bit? Why are you uptight today?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Am I uptight to? Oh?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You know what, I was a little annoyed about being
called a liar about my weight.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Big Well, all I know is somebody was there when
you weighed in for your guys whatever this weigh in competition,
and you apparently have lost ten pounds or so. You're
saying eight, all right, But once again there was somebody
who there saw what you weighed, and then I ask
you how much you weigh and then you gave eight
(04:48):
pounds less. Dylan lied too, because he is five now.
Two thirty five.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is three weeks ago the same as today.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
DD No, it's not thank you. Are you lying about
the three weeks? That might be wrong too, just regular
old wrong. Yeah. Paulie went in the confessional at the
end of the hour and he was asking for weight
loss tips. Did you have any?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
I did, but I.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
Don't want to be, you know, holier than now. It's
like it's tough to keep your weight down and lose
weight no matter what age you are.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
I would say, though, eliminate some things that.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
Are just wasteful, like these are very obvious, like soda
that's empty, empty calories.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Yeah, eating past eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Is at night, Yeah, that's bad news. Well, we do
have a bunch of snacks around here there.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
We just got a snack delivery. Yeah, like Fredo's were
the healthiest thing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Fredo's. There's ruffles, there's uh skittles, there's m and ms,
there's there's all kinds of and you know the big germans,
the one who orders all this stuff. And is that
is that ray opening up up the drawer there?
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Yeah, we're stocked up, Yeah we are. It looks like
a bunker.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well Eric just likes to lob a grenade in the
back there and see us all just go all right,
I guess I'll have some checks mixed for brexfsite.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I know we got check mixed, Yes, so we got
all kinds of goodies that just got delivered yesterday. Okay,
we get more phone calls coming up. Interesting day for
the NFL. They did it again. Here we are ready,
NHL Stanley Cup playoffs, you got the NBA Finals, and
then all of a sudden, it's June first, and now
(06:31):
we have some movement. We've talked a lot about AJ
Brown going to the Patriots, and there has to be
friction behind the scenes between Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown.
Has to be because that was just a I'm out
of here. I'm out of here. Everybody knows I'm out
of here, and I'm going to be reunited with Mike Rabel.
(06:55):
And then you had, you know, Miles Garrett being traded,
which I'm not shocked. I'm shocked that it didn't happen earlier.
And then you're always curious, what are you getting in
return for somebody like Miles Garrett and Jared Verse, who
I believe is from Ohio. He goes to the Cleveland
Browns and he's a good player, young player twenty five
(07:16):
on a rookie deal, and you're going to get draft picks.
I think the Browns have done pretty well drafting and
that's the key. You can have draft picks, that doesn't
mean you're going to build your roster. You got to
have somebody who knows what they're doing, and I think
they've done a pretty good job here in recent years.
Now you have the Deshaun Watson situation. I mean five
(07:39):
years ago, he had like thirty three touchdown passes and
five interceptions and we're like, Okay, he's going to be
in that top five list and then all of a sudden,
what happened personal life, Cleveland overpays and he gets hurt,
gets hurt again. But I think if if Shadoor Sanders
(08:04):
was truly a number one quarterback, then they wouldn't be
pushing this Deshaun Watson narrative because it feels like there's
a hey, Deshaun Watson, Like if if Shadoor is going
to separate himself, then maybe that's when you say to
Deshaun Watson, why don't you help develop Shadoor Sanders. This
(08:25):
kind of feels like somebody's got to be our quarterback,
and it might be Deshaun Watson at least that's the
indication right now that he's the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Yeah, Poland going back to what Lewis Riddick was saying,
he said, the Browns are in this constant cycle of
develop a player, let him go, build for the future.
There's no there's no current for them.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, but I think that they do have some younger players.
They did make the Travis Hunter trade and look, Shadoor
Sanders fell in their lap. If if he is a
franchise quarterback, you know, got him at a very very
low price. Now, now is when you got to have
(09:06):
smart people, and you got a new head coach in
there as well. Todd Munkin hadn't been a head coach.
That's tricky. Gonna be tricky. And in that division, you know,
Cincinnati and Baltimore are going to be competitive. Good, Pittsburgh
is going to be Pittsburgh. And you know, maybe Cleveland
just looks at this and says, hey, not tanking. Let's
(09:29):
just not try to win a lot. That's that's the
new way to go about. We're not tanking, we just
try not to win a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Paul I went to the Browns website. They have no
depth chart listed none. Most teams have a general depth chart.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
They have nothing.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Okay, Aaron and fort Wayne leads us off final hour. Hi, eron,
what do you have for me?
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Hey, damn, thanks for taking my call. And I'm watching
on Peacock Lewis Riddick. He is jacked. I mean he
was to put the back row in a pretzel. I
mean he would, but that leads me right into Chester
Montgomery Homegrum. He's taken way too much of the heat
and the microscopes on him. There was a play with
one twenty sixth left in the game, Sja drives in.
Speaker 10 (10:15):
Wemby's got five files.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
If he's the free throw merchant, he chucks the ball
back out to the three point line rather than taking
on the contact, and he could have filed Wenby out
right there. And then also the coach, he burned up
all of his timeouts with four to twenty six on
the clock, so they were gassed down the stretch and
that's how it went.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Down, all right, Look, Chet Holmgren deserves a lot of play.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I had a couple of guys who were banged up
for OKC, and you know, they go to a seventh game,
which is pretty remarkable. I didn't think they were the
better team. They weren't the healthier team, but they didn't
have home court advantage. But chet Holmgren has to figure out,
do you want to be great because he's going to
make forty one million dollars next year, do you want
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to be a career sidekick?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He was thirt team All NBA and he was runner
up to Wemby defensive player the year. I didn't think
that he was good enough to be All NBA. I
don't think he's a guy who can take over. I
just don't get that feeling. But you gotta want to
take over. You gotta want to be aggressive. That's your
(11:28):
home court. It's game seven. I want you to scraping, scrapping, cralling,
bleeding because Wemby wanted it. And that's weird to say
somebody wants it more than you do, but it was
really obvious there. I don't want to move on from
cheded Holmgren. There are quite a few analysts I heard
(11:50):
yesterday on the Mothership. Oh, he's played his last game. No,
he hasn't. Not an O case yet. I wouldn't move
on from him, but I want to know who cheed
Holmgunn is moving forward. And it may sound strange to
say that, but when you thought you knew, and then
all of a sudden, you get in a moment like
(12:10):
that and then you realize, maybe he's not who we
thought he was. Now's when you have to hit the
reset button and say check. Do you want to be great?
Are you willing to be great? Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Mark?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I think this might be a big overreaction. I
just think he had a bad game. They won the
NBA title last year with him, and they won two
big game sevens, Game seven in the finals and then
Game seven against Joker and the Nuggets. So it might
be just a big overreaction to just a really bad game.
We just can't say we're just going to move on
from you or we're going to question whether you want
to win, because he's done that before, he's already proven it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I think it's an overreaction. But I I there
has to be there's something there that happened in Game
seven that's undeniable. You didn't have a shot in the
second half. That can't happen, Like you can't be benched,
Like what is going on. This isn't a game in November.
(13:08):
It's Game seven. That's the thing that is alarming to me.
The stakes could not have been higher. You're playing a
guy against the guy who hates you. You're the defending
NBA champs. Come on, give me something, Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Do you think maybe he's just trying to get Wemby
to like him? So law it's a classic.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I didn't think of that. I didn't think of that.
But maybe maybe he's like Wenby's going, hey, Chester, I'll
see you in the off season. Oh no, that's right,
I'll be working out with a chem Elijah On and
David Robinson and Jamal Crawford and the Navy Seals. Like
there's video of Wemby underwater carrying weights. He's he's jogging underwater,
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and I think he's with the name yes Mark.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
I mean even after the game, him crying, which he
cast some flag for which I don't understand because people
are always all they don't care enough. Now do you
care too much? That you won the Western Conference? It's
a big This means everything to him. I mean, look,
early pick for Sportsmen of the Year if they win
the NBA title. Early pick saved the All Star Game,
(14:22):
took a team that did make the playoffs last year
to the NBA Championship.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I thought of that yesterday. I don't know if they
still do Sportsmen of the Year.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah, is there a sports that still exists.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Where they're laying off all these people, But if they're
doing Sportsmen of the Year, yes, I thought about that
with Wemby, Yeah, Paulin, I don't know if it's a comparison.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
But if you look at Jalen Brown, he was drafted
third ten years ago and he was in the shadow
of Tatum for a long time in Boston. He didn't
make his first All Star team till age twenty five,
year five, but then he became a top level player,
not a sidekick in any way, like equal to Jason Tatum.
It took a while to get there, but he did it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, but great players always add always every year and
be like what can I do. You know when Kobe
got together with Reggie Miller and he said, I want
you to teach me a couple of moves, like your
step back jumper, and Reggie is teaching him that, and
(15:19):
then Kobe uses it against reg the next time they
meet each other the following season. But he sought out somebody,
and that's what great players do. You're working with a
chem elijahmon On footwork and a team had the best
footwork of any big men in history. You're working with
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Jamal Crawford, who has one of the best handles in
NBA history. He's doing all the right things. Chat Holmgren
has to do this if he wants to be in
that conversation. If not, you want to be a third
third option on a team, a very good team, then
you'll probably be on another team eventually. All right, we'll
(16:00):
talk some hoops. Jim Jackson from Fox will join us
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hit that thumbs up icon and comment away. Since two
thousand and nine, eight different pitchers have thrown at least
one pitch of one hundred and four miles per hour
or faster. Now the Brewers have Jacob Mizorowski, who's you know,
(17:00):
routinely throwing it at least one oh one one oh
two the fastest pitches thrown since two thousand and nine.
Ben Joyce of the Angels one oh five point five,
Eraaltis Chapman, he had one oh five point one. He
did it in twenty twenty four, and then fourteen years earlier,
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Jordan Hicks through one oh five twice in twenty eighteen,
and then Eraaldis Chapman at one oh five in twenty sixteen.
I don't know how fast you can throw a baseball,
like there has to be. Is there a limit? Is
there a max because we can look at the golf
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ball technology in golf and they're hitting it further, but
that is in large part due to the golf ball.
There is technology, but these guys know how to maximize
their swing. Is there a limit to how far you
can hit a baseball? Is there a limit to how
fast you can throw a baseball? Is there a limit
(18:06):
to how high you can jump, how fast you can run?
I don't know. I just at some point you go,
I think we're going to top out here. I think, yes, Dyling.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, But I think it's just each generation there's like
new benchmarks. So if you told someone in the nineteen
thirty is that people are gonna be throwing one oh five, yeah,
I mean they're still throwing hard, you know, like the
Bob Gibson's of the world in the I mean a
little bit later. But I think as humans have all,
I mean, weren't people like a couple hundred years ago
just on average significantly shorter and smaller.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
See an old doorway and it's yeah yeah. But also
technology video review, how to how to maximize you know,
leg strength the ground. We do that in golf, we
do that in baseball.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yes, still yeah, Like I mean modern medicine and you
know science, I think grows exponent which you see the
result of that in sports all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Pull.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
There's an article it's in detail in the New York
Times a couple of years ago where they talked to
different medical people and people who know about physicists and stuff,
and they said that the current type of human will
probably top out at one and one hundred and ten
in our lifetime, like the next fifty years, because a
lot of advancements have happened in the last thirty years.
It's not going to go geometrically that well. They think
(19:26):
that the owner ligament cannot handle more than one hundred
and ten, and it won't for like five hundred years maybe.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But is there going to be a surgery that strengthens
your owner.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Like an elective beforehand? Yes, they don't have that in here.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Because I wonder if they can do anything with your
knees that this is preemptive surgeries. You know, anything's possible
with modern medicine. Of what is happening, what has happened,
what's going to be legal? I mean there's stuff going
on now in sports with the leagues and you go, wait,
(20:08):
what are they using? What are they doing now? People
for years would say, why do you say that NBA
players are on Uh, would use performance enhancing drugs any
edge you can get. It's about recovery, Like you're not
building a body. I mean, you're not Schwarzenegger here. Yes,
(20:29):
there're steroids in golf, performance enhancing drugs in golf, and
people say, why would they do anything that gives you
an edge? You can swing faster, you can build muscle,
retain muscles. It's kind of crazy. And you know there's
stories that are circulating now about basketball players and what
(20:53):
they could be using, or maybe they are using. Why
would you go, oh, that could he help a baseball player? Well,
why couldn't it help a basketball player. It helps a
football player, it helps sprinters. Why would somebody be naive
and go now, I can't see basketball players doing this? Yes,
(21:14):
paulink that.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Picture you mentioned.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Ben Joyce of the Angels, he was hurt at the
end of the season last year and he's trying to
get back with a shoulder issue. He's in doing rehab
starts right now. But he had Tommy John back in
twenty twenty one, so he threw one hundred and five
after his first Tommy John.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And I told you that I have a physical therapist
who has worked for with some high end athletes, and
he said he has parents coming to He's had three
parents come to him and say, can my son have
Tommy John surgery before he needs Tommy John surgery, and
my friend said, you know, you look at them and
(21:54):
you say, what are you doing? You know, your kid's
fourteen and you want Tommy John ELECTIVEMMI John surgery to
make it stronger.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yes, I think just even the fact that Tommy John
and like a torn acl are not the death sentence
career wise that they used to be, even you know,
a very short period of time ago speaks volumes to
the medical advancements.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well, the Achilles, Yeah, like being able to come back.
Who would have thought, I mean that that was career ending.
Not anymore. Jim Jackson, Fox, NBA College basketball analyst, Like,
fourteen years in the NBA, we finally found in NBA
finals with two teams that you did not play for
in your career at gym.
Speaker 11 (22:39):
You know, here's the thing about it, though, Dan, all
those teams continue to allow me to cast those checks.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
All right, end of the day, end of the day.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
What do you do with Chet? Holmgren. I don't want
to overreact here.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You are why because I think you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
It's is it a CHET problem or is it a
Chet problem? When they play against Wimby. Now, I know
last year in the finals, he struggled a little bit.
He had he was injured, he had to come back,
and he struggled a little bit. But if you look
at Chef throughout the course of the year, and Chay said,
this is that you know, without Chet, they don't want
a championship. Without Chet, They're not in a situation to compete.
(23:25):
So what happens is in this particular series against Wimby,
he doesn't look like Chet Holmgren. So now it's well,
what do we do with him? So I don't want to.
I wouldn't be the one that panics right away, because
if you go back to history, think about this. You
had questions about Scotty Pipple when he played against the Knicks,
his toughness.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Could he be that second guy?
Speaker 11 (23:48):
Now if the Bulls gave up on Scotty that early,
do we have the dynasty that the Bulls have Kobe
Bryant his rookie year when he infamously shot those air
balls again in Qutah. If the Lakers panic quickly and
Jerry West said, did I make the wrong decision? Is
it the Kobe Bryant that we saw as the Laker
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dynasty too many times? We want to based on a series,
give up on a person when they're still young and
still learning. Yes, he has to grow, especially against Wemby.
But I don't think you pulled that trigger right the
way based on just because it was san Antonio.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Oh, I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. I heard analysts
yesterday Jim saying they think he's played his last game
with OKAC, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, Wait a minute,
hold on here. He's a good player, not a great
player yet, but he's going to be compared to Wemby
probably the rest of his career. Correct, that won't go well.
(24:50):
But I can't have somebody who doesn't take a shot
in the second half of the most important game of
the season. So mentally is what I'm I got figure out.
Does he want to be great? Does he does he
want does he want the heat against San Antonio?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (25:08):
Because here's the thing, because an other sea and I
get what you're saying too, because with Kobe, at least
Kobe wasn't afraid to take the shots. I mean, you
knew that, Okay, air balls are not in the moment.
It may not have went through the nets, but his
mentality was I feel I can make it. The thing
about Chet against san Antonio is the lack of aggression. Okay,
(25:31):
if you miss shots, you miss shots, it's gonna happen.
But his body language, lack of aggressiveness, lack of attacking,
lack of doing anything.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Else, it's different.
Speaker 11 (25:42):
Okay, make miss some shots, rebound, block shots, assists, play,
make all these other things that he could have helped
his team to maybe win a game.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
His stat line didn't indicate that.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
And I think that's where the issue is with a
lot of people too, is that Okay, yeah, you didn't
shoot well, but man, you didn't do anything else either.
So I hope that internally they've had enough information downloaded,
enough information on Chet to understand what his value is,
and they don't paddick. Now, is it a situation where
(26:15):
you can get Yannis. If you can get Yannis and
this is a short term fix in the next three
to four years, that you've got a chance to compete against,
you know, san Antonio, who you're gonna have to go through. Now,
what does that look like because you have young players
and you have draft assets that can make him make sense? Okay,
(26:35):
And that's something internally that they have to look at.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
It feels like both of these teams in the finals
are underdogs.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
From what perspective, well.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Historically with the Knicks and San Antonio with just youth, Yeah,
but they do feel under I know san Antonio is
slight favorite, but you don't get that sense that they're
kind of underdoggie.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
I think it's question marks, you know what I mean,
because the status quo is like, Okay, well, a young
team shouldn't be able to make it this far.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
A young team, you have to go through.
Speaker 11 (27:12):
The process, which history says that's what teams do. Boston
had to do it and they lost in the Eastern
Conference finals a couple of times. The Lakers had to
do it, the Bulls had to do it, Detroit had.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
But in today's world, with the way the game is
and the youth in the game, this team was put
together and they were able to jail together a young
coach with Miss Johnson, they all grew and they figured
things out collectively and they beat the top dog. So
there still are going to be some questions with New York.
It's yeah, and you know New York is good, but
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New York is good, But can cat continue to play
and be facilitator. Can Jalen with the ball in his
hands be able to make plays? And Josh Hartens all
these things, but the beauty of it as both teams
got here in their own unique way. New York played
their best basketball in the year Dan, I mean unbelievable.
I mean unbelievable role players understood who they were. And
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then when San Antonio, everybody just bought in defensively, offensively,
no egos. That's the beauty about this series because there
are still some little unknowns like O Case, you know
who they are. Golden State, you knew who they were.
These two teams, I think are still evolving. Even though
New York is still an older, more mature team. You know,
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they still ask some questions to answer.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
When did we go from ballhog to ball dominant? Like
remember this was a bad thing. Isaiah was with us
a couple of weeks ago, and he said, yeah, we
we were a ballhog if you know, wasn't ball dominant.
But I don't know, like was Iverson a ball hog?
(28:54):
But was ball dominant and great at it? Like I
don't know when we went from that yeh man pass
the ball to hey, he needs it so he can
get his shots.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
Well, corresponding with analytics, because analytics is gonna tell you
somebody's juices rate.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
And now once we start.
Speaker 11 (29:13):
Breaking that number down a high usage right now, Again,
that takes in a lot of factors. But James Harden,
Russell Westbrook, the Luca Downtets a Jalen Brunton because they
have the ball in their hands a lot more, and
those analytics are gonna look different. They're gonna use those
numbers to make a point about a person or to
(29:34):
make another point about a person that their two ball dominant.
And that's a great question too because throughout the game
and history, different guys that dominated the ball a little
bit more, but it wasn't looked I don't know if
it was looked at it the same way it is
in today's game, because they're a little bit more isolations,
you know, in some situation and a player like a
(29:58):
Jalen Brunson who does dominate the ball but still make play,
still make shots big time. So it's a confluence. Now
here's the thing. Jalen Brunton dominates. But yet if you're
Mike Brown, if you're dibidoh Man, I got to have
a ball in my best player's hand and the way
their team is built. Who else Now that cat is
(30:21):
doing his thing, but before it's going to facilitate, who
else had to enter the shot clock is really going
to go get their shot. So it's a casse twenty
two with depending on how your team is made up.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
We're talking to Jim Jackson, Fox Sports. How do you
explain what Brunson does in a tiny space that ability
to his handle is not outside his body. It's going
to tight spaces, but to find those spaces, not be
afraid of those spaces and kind of get you leaning
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one way or another. Can you teach that?
Speaker 11 (30:55):
Yeah, you can, because this is the beauty about the
game of basketball, especially somebody like Jaden Brunson who doesn't
rely on athleticism to be able to make him the
kind of player that he is. So give a lot
of credit to his father, Rick Bunsen, when he was
younger to understand to use your ability in between your ears,
to understand space angles, how.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
To create shots.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
Okay, so you take the number one player in high
school point guard. Watch he could have went anywhere, Dan,
but he chose to go to Villanova. Ryan Archidacino was
the starting point guard at that time. Jayden Brunson could
have started for you know, eight hundred other schools, but
he chose to go there. Why because the teaching, the fundamentals,
understanding how to play the game the right way was
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very important.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
It is valuable. So now you get to Villanova, you
learn how.
Speaker 11 (31:43):
To play off the two feet in between small tiny spaces.
So take his already high IQ, combine that with what
Jay Wright was doing and that system there at Villanova,
and now you have the National Player of the Year,
two time champion. Even though he went in the second
round in the draft, people still question whether he could
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do it. And now you have more space to play
within the NBA. But yet and still the skill set
has continued to develop. That's why Jannon Brunson is so
potent as a player because he doesn't rely on athleticism,
but he can get to a spot, use his body,
create space and excellent football.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But the NBA is littered with guys who don't look
like they can be all time greats. Joker did not
look like it. Giannis when he got here, Dirk was
labeled soft, Steve Nash too small, SGA SGA. I mean,
that's the beauty of basketball. Yes, it's he doesn't look
(32:44):
like he could score forty, Like even Luka. When you're around,
when you watch Luca, you're like, okay, and then all
of a sudden you look up and he's got thirty five.
I just I find that fascinating that these guys have
that something you know, something different in DNA that allows
them to be better because they've figured it out. It's
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not you know, and those guys I mentioned, they're not
relying on athleticism at all, that crazy athletics. I mean,
they have it, but you're just somehow, some way you've
figured out Rubik's cube here. And I think that's what's
fascinating with Brunson.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
But the history of the game too.
Speaker 11 (33:24):
Think about it, Larry Bird the same way, Jack Sickmund,
same way, because the guys and the players they had
to play against were a little bit more athletically gifted.
But what they were able to do with Kevin McHale, Okay,
it was footwork, it was understanding angles, it was okay,
where do I receive the ball?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Can I get to my space? These things were drilled
over and over and over.
Speaker 11 (33:47):
Again, Okay, to utilize who they have around them, but
also to understand, this is how I'm gonna make my money.
Is these the skill set that I have the develop
based on who I am as a player, not anybody else.
And that's the beauty about the game because the game
can be played in a lot of different ways, and
I think a lot of times we in today's world
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harp on athleticism, athleticism. Athleticism, Well, at some point, athleticism
is great because it's athletes across the board in every sport.
But the ones that understand how to make that connection
up here. That's why I think Michael Jordan was such
this a phenomenal players. He took the athleticism with the
(34:33):
skill set, the mindset of how to play the game.
That's what made him unstoppable. Okay, and the same thing
you talked about with I think Jalen and SGA and
Luka Jokic unbelievable I mean unbelievable players because they play
the game between their ears.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
How does the finals play out.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Like that?
Speaker 11 (34:53):
I like the Knicks and six and the reason why
is because not because the six, I mean the next
beat him who won during the season.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's a matchup thing.
Speaker 11 (35:02):
Now listen, the I mean OKC has already dealt with Garden,
Anthony Edwards already.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Dealt with SGA.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
They're gonna plug him, send multiple guys out him, force
other players like Alas Carusso and Mitchell if he would
have played, or to make shots. So that means Josh
Hart Wemby probably is gonna start on It's gonna have
to make shots. But what I love about this New
York team, they're bigger across the board, you know, with
Mitchell Robinson inside and Cat outside, but across their wings
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with Og and also McHale, Bridges and Josh, they have size.
San Antonio is not a big team outside of Wemby,
they're not big and Luke Cornett who comes in. So
those double teams when they come and get Jalen in
the middle of the court, now you have bigger guys
receiving the ball in the middle with Og and Micheal
that can make play. I just think that gives them
(35:55):
a strategic co advantage that the other teams didn't have.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And that's why I like.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
The Knicks defensively offensively because of that size that they
have that can I think negate some of that aggressive
defensive nature that San Antonio will.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Employ great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
We got it, brother, all right, enjoy it. Man.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That's Jim Jackson, Fox NBA College Basketball Analyst and the
Clippers lead analyst as well. Take a break. Last call
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Speaker 2 (36:40):
I found out that I don't have to pay for
a phishing license in the state of Connecticut when you're
over the age of sixty five. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
All the benefits, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I keep looking for all the benefits of turning seventy.
I found one. I don't have to pay for my
fishing license. I'm going fishing tomorrow for trout, but my
waiters are up in Maine, so I might have to
go out and get another pair of waiters because we're
going in the river doing a little fly fish in
there late in the afternoon. Findal results of the poll
(37:12):
question there, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Well, Dan, what will you be watching more of the
NBA Finals or Stanley Cup Final? Fifty six percent say
the NBA Finals. I'm going to disagree, but I get it.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Okay, that's fair. Let's see Reggie Miller will be on
the program tomorrow. Get us ready for the NBA Finals.
Finding a few more people who like the Knicks, few
more people like the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yes, Ton, I meant to ask you do you tip
your waiters?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Thank you, Tod.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Where do you keep your hands steady?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yes, Dylan, I sent this around a little bit. But
the it's not easy doing this show. It's not. It
is not. You are the king of the left turns.
You are.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Three left maker, right though.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Thank you? Yeah, I'm gonna say thank you, Tom. But yeah,
uh did you have something I did?
Speaker 10 (38:11):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, all right, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
There are some old rivalries bubbling up before the NBA Finals.
I don't know if you remember, but after Wemby's first
forty point game his rookie year, it was also the
same game Jayalen Brunson had sixty one and then Wemby
I believe, had a block at the end and then
launched the ball into the stands, for which he was fine,
but people were also like, hey, that's Jalen. That should
be Jaalen Brunson's ball. Oh so maybe a little bad blood?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Well I hope. Yeah, it's the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Well there's not always bad blood, I guess. Also, the
Knicks did get the best of them in the NBA
Cup this year.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Too, Yeah, yes, yes, Paul and Iowa. Paul, thanks for holding.
What do you have for me?
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Hey, Dan?
Speaker 12 (38:53):
Well, it's been a while since I called in a
lot of changes. Now I have two girls under too,
So if you have any advice on that first time
up called in since Dylan got the upgrade, congrats buddy.
But I wanted to drop a RAMS related stat of
the day for you.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
Okay, So after.
Speaker 12 (39:24):
The Miles Garrett trade, it has been thirty three years
since the last time two NFL teams from the same
division won consecutive Super Bowls, the ninety two Redskins and
the ninety three Cowboys. Brought to you by Panini America.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Wow product placement there, Paul and IOWA. Good to have
you back. David in Ohio, Hi, David, what do you
have for me?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Hey? What's up? Dan?
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I don't know if you saw on the on the news,
but Roger Goodell is a parent going to be testifying
in Congress about the TV deal that the NFL is
doing with some of its partners, and with the price
of going to watch every game. I see the map
is about eleven hundred dollars to watch every game of
all the thing platforms. I didn't know if he saw
(40:17):
that or had a comment on that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I saw it. I don't have a comment. You know,
maybe something happens, but yeah, you know that's pretty hepty
price tag. Yesh Dylan, all right, late.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Pole question, would you rather spend eleven hundred dollars to
get the entire year's worth of WWE or eleven hundred
for every NFL game?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Every NFL game, I've yet to watch a WWE event
as being sarcastic. Thank you, thank you. I can't tell
with the back row you guys, here's all right, Thank you, Todd.
What did I learn today?
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Jim Jackson says, Okay, so shouldn't panic if the game
seven and look to get.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Rid of Chet Holmgren. Reggie Miller will join us on
the program tomorrow. Enjoy the hockey tonight for Fritzie Dylan,
Mark Paula, yours truly have a great day. We'll talk
to you tomorrow.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final hour in this Tuesday, we'll talk to Jim Jackson,
former player now an analyst for Fox Sports. We got
NBA tomorrow night tonight, you got the Stanley Cup Final
singular not plural, NBA Finals plural not singular, Golden Knights
at the Hurricanes. So we'll talk to Jim Jackson. Phone
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(00:47):
can also catch this program sometimes award nominated program on
Peacock NBC Sports Network. All right, Dylan Pull, question for
the final hour of the program is gonna be what.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, Dan, what will you be watching more of the
NBA Finals? Are Stanley Cup Final?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Mm hmm, I would say the NBA Finals, but keeping
an eye on my Golden Knights of course in the
Stanley Cup Final and you get to see them both
on ABC. How about that? Basic cable. Yay, and we
got it. We can find it, you know, instead of
going what channel is this on? What streaming service? Is
(01:29):
this on? ABC? ESPN? Yes, the good old days? Yes, tons,
as easy as ABC, Yeah, thank you, ton, or as
easy as one two three or do rey.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Me little Jackson five actor? I like it?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, all right, so Tyler sitting by, he'll take your
phone calls here. This is the finals. I think if
unless it was going to be the Lakers against the Knicks,
which would be Dodgers Yankees, this is what people I
think wanted they didn't want, okase, this is global now
(02:07):
with Wemby, it's bigger than just you know, San Antonio
and New York. But if you do it against New
York in New York all of a sudden, it magnifies
that accomplishment there. But Wemby and look, I know that
Spurs are a slight favorite here and Wemby is the
(02:28):
favorite to win the MVP in the finals, but I
do not if I'm San Antonio, and I know they
don't take this Knixt team lightly. They the Knicks haven't
seen defense like this. If you look at these other
teams that they went through, Cleveland, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Josh Hart
and Jalen Brunson were not facing this kind of defense.
(02:50):
This is going to be a real test because of
that with Wemby, but also Stefan Castle with Dylan Harper.
I mean, they got guys who want to play defense
and play a physical style of defense. The Knicks have
guys who can play physical defense as well, Bridges and Anobi.
They are going to be a problem for San Antonio.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yes, Marvin, I am interested to see how Jalen Brunson
maneuvers in the paint, especially with Wembury around.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Now.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
They've done well against them before, so it's nothing new,
But it's just how does how do you kind of
maneuver with Wenby just standing like right there.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Brunson has a knack. It's just this inate ability to
find that little opening somehow you see something that somebody
else doesn't see. And he always seems to have you
just a little bit off balance. He has to have
you a little bit off balance because that's the only
way he's going to get a shot off. Yeah, Marv.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Also, I think everybody in the NBA should focus on
his footwork. He's got the best footwork in the NBA.
The way he keeps his pivot foot right there, and
he can maneuver the up and unders.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I mean, believable.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I don't know if Mike Breen can say at the
top of the broadcast, tune in and watch Jalen Brunson's
footwork next on ABC.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
I didn't say to watch the footwork. I just said,
every NBA player.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
We were just having fun. Why won't you lighten up
a little bit? Why are you uptight today?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Am I uptight to? Oh?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You know what, I was a little annoyed about being
called a liar about my weight.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Big Well, all I know is somebody was there when
you weighed in for your guys whatever this weigh in competition,
and you apparently have lost ten pounds or so. You're
saying eight, all right, But once again there was somebody
who there saw what you weighed, and then I ask
you how much you weigh and then you gave eight
(04:48):
pounds less. Dylan lied too, because he is five now.
Two thirty five.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is three weeks ago the same as today.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
DD No, it's not thank you. Are you lying about
the three weeks? That might be wrong too, just regular
old wrong. Yeah. Paulie went in the confessional at the
end of the hour and he was asking for weight
loss tips. Did you have any?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
I did, but I.
Speaker 8 (05:15):
Don't want to be, you know, holier than now. It's
like it's tough to keep your weight down and lose
weight no matter what age you are.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
I would say, though, eliminate some things that.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
Are just wasteful, like these are very obvious, like soda
that's empty, empty calories.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Yeah, eating past eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Is at night, Yeah, that's bad news. Well, we do
have a bunch of snacks around here there.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
We just got a snack delivery. Yeah, like Fredo's were
the healthiest thing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Fredo's. There's ruffles, there's uh skittles, there's m and ms,
there's there's all kinds of and you know the big germans,
the one who orders all this stuff. And is that
is that ray opening up up the drawer there?
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Yeah, we're stocked up, Yeah we are. It looks like
a bunker.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well Eric just likes to lob a grenade in the
back there and see us all just go all right,
I guess I'll have some checks mixed for brexfsite.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I know we got check mixed, Yes, so we got
all kinds of goodies that just got delivered yesterday. Okay,
we get more phone calls coming up. Interesting day for
the NFL. They did it again. Here we are ready,
NHL Stanley Cup playoffs, you got the NBA Finals, and
then all of a sudden, it's June first, and now
(06:31):
we have some movement. We've talked a lot about AJ
Brown going to the Patriots, and there has to be
friction behind the scenes between Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown.
Has to be because that was just a I'm out
of here. I'm out of here. Everybody knows I'm out
of here, and I'm going to be reunited with Mike Rabel.
(06:55):
And then you had, you know, Miles Garrett being traded,
which I'm not shocked. I'm shocked that it didn't happen earlier.
And then you're always curious, what are you getting in
return for somebody like Miles Garrett and Jared Verse, who
I believe is from Ohio. He goes to the Cleveland
Browns and he's a good player, young player twenty five
(07:16):
on a rookie deal, and you're going to get draft picks.
I think the Browns have done pretty well drafting and
that's the key. You can have draft picks, that doesn't
mean you're going to build your roster. You got to
have somebody who knows what they're doing, and I think
they've done a pretty good job here in recent years.
Now you have the Deshaun Watson situation. I mean five
(07:39):
years ago, he had like thirty three touchdown passes and
five interceptions and we're like, Okay, he's going to be
in that top five list and then all of a sudden,
what happened personal life, Cleveland overpays and he gets hurt,
gets hurt again. But I think if if Shadoor Sanders
(08:04):
was truly a number one quarterback, then they wouldn't be
pushing this Deshaun Watson narrative because it feels like there's
a hey, Deshaun Watson, Like if if Shadoor is going
to separate himself, then maybe that's when you say to
Deshaun Watson, why don't you help develop Shadoor Sanders. This
(08:25):
kind of feels like somebody's got to be our quarterback,
and it might be Deshaun Watson at least that's the
indication right now that he's the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Yeah, Poland going back to what Lewis Riddick was saying,
he said, the Browns are in this constant cycle of
develop a player, let him go, build for the future.
There's no there's no current for them.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, but I think that they do have some younger players.
They did make the Travis Hunter trade and look, Shadoor
Sanders fell in their lap. If if he is a
franchise quarterback, you know, got him at a very very
low price. Now, now is when you got to have
(09:06):
smart people, and you got a new head coach in
there as well. Todd Munkin hadn't been a head coach.
That's tricky. Gonna be tricky. And in that division, you know,
Cincinnati and Baltimore are going to be competitive. Good, Pittsburgh
is going to be Pittsburgh. And you know, maybe Cleveland
just looks at this and says, hey, not tanking. Let's
(09:29):
just not try to win a lot. That's that's the
new way to go about. We're not tanking, we just
try not to win a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Paul I went to the Browns website. They have no
depth chart listed none. Most teams have a general depth chart.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
They have nothing.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Okay, Aaron and fort Wayne leads us off final hour. Hi, eron,
what do you have for me?
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Hey, damn, thanks for taking my call. And I'm watching
on Peacock Lewis Riddick. He is jacked. I mean he
was to put the back row in a pretzel. I
mean he would, but that leads me right into Chester
Montgomery Homegrum. He's taken way too much of the heat
and the microscopes on him. There was a play with
one twenty sixth left in the game, Sja drives in.
Speaker 10 (10:15):
Wemby's got five files.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
If he's the free throw merchant, he chucks the ball
back out to the three point line rather than taking
on the contact, and he could have filed Wenby out
right there. And then also the coach, he burned up
all of his timeouts with four to twenty six on
the clock, so they were gassed down the stretch and
that's how it went.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Down, all right, Look, Chet Holmgren deserves a lot of play.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He does. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I had a couple of guys who were banged up
for OKC, and you know, they go to a seventh game,
which is pretty remarkable. I didn't think they were the
better team. They weren't the healthier team, but they didn't
have home court advantage. But chet Holmgren has to figure out,
do you want to be great because he's going to
make forty one million dollars next year, do you want
(11:04):
to be a career sidekick?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He was thirt team All NBA and he was runner
up to Wemby defensive player the year. I didn't think
that he was good enough to be All NBA. I
don't think he's a guy who can take over. I
just don't get that feeling. But you gotta want to
take over. You gotta want to be aggressive. That's your
(11:28):
home court. It's game seven. I want you to scraping, scrapping, cralling,
bleeding because Wemby wanted it. And that's weird to say
somebody wants it more than you do, but it was
really obvious there. I don't want to move on from
cheded Holmgren. There are quite a few analysts I heard
(11:50):
yesterday on the Mothership. Oh, he's played his last game. No,
he hasn't. Not an O case yet. I wouldn't move
on from him, but I want to know who cheed
Holmgunn is moving forward. And it may sound strange to
say that, but when you thought you knew, and then
all of a sudden, you get in a moment like
(12:10):
that and then you realize, maybe he's not who we
thought he was. Now's when you have to hit the
reset button and say check. Do you want to be great?
Are you willing to be great? Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Mark?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But I think this might be a big overreaction. I
just think he had a bad game. They won the
NBA title last year with him, and they won two
big game sevens, Game seven in the finals and then
Game seven against Joker and the Nuggets. So it might
be just a big overreaction to just a really bad game.
We just can't say we're just going to move on
from you or we're going to question whether you want
to win, because he's done that before, he's already proven it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, I think it's an overreaction. But I I there
has to be there's something there that happened in Game
seven that's undeniable. You didn't have a shot in the
second half. That can't happen, Like you can't be benched,
Like what is going on. This isn't a game in November.
(13:08):
It's Game seven. That's the thing that is alarming to me.
The stakes could not have been higher. You're playing a
guy against the guy who hates you. You're the defending
NBA champs. Come on, give me something, Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Do you think maybe he's just trying to get Wemby
to like him? So law it's a classic.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I didn't think of that. I didn't think of that.
But maybe maybe he's like Wenby's going, hey, Chester, I'll
see you in the off season. Oh no, that's right,
I'll be working out with a chem Elijah On and
David Robinson and Jamal Crawford and the Navy Seals. Like
there's video of Wemby underwater carrying weights. He's he's jogging underwater,
(13:59):
and I think he's with the name yes Mark.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
I mean even after the game, him crying, which he
cast some flag for which I don't understand because people
are always all they don't care enough. Now do you
care too much? That you won the Western Conference? It's
a big This means everything to him. I mean, look,
early pick for Sportsmen of the Year if they win
the NBA title. Early pick saved the All Star Game,
(14:22):
took a team that did make the playoffs last year
to the NBA Championship.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I thought of that yesterday. I don't know if they
still do Sportsmen of the Year.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah, is there a sports that still exists.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Where they're laying off all these people, But if they're
doing Sportsmen of the Year, yes, I thought about that
with Wemby, Yeah, Paulin, I don't know if it's a comparison.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
But if you look at Jalen Brown, he was drafted
third ten years ago and he was in the shadow
of Tatum for a long time in Boston. He didn't
make his first All Star team till age twenty five,
year five, but then he became a top level player,
not a sidekick in any way, like equal to Jason Tatum.
It took a while to get there, but he did it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, but great players always add always every year and
be like what can I do. You know when Kobe
got together with Reggie Miller and he said, I want
you to teach me a couple of moves, like your
step back jumper, and Reggie is teaching him that, and
(15:19):
then Kobe uses it against reg the next time they
meet each other the following season. But he sought out somebody,
and that's what great players do. You're working with a
chem elijahmon On footwork and a team had the best
footwork of any big men in history. You're working with
(15:40):
Jamal Crawford, who has one of the best handles in
NBA history. He's doing all the right things. Chat Holmgren
has to do this if he wants to be in
that conversation. If not, you want to be a third
third option on a team, a very good team, then
you'll probably be on another team eventually. All right, we'll
(16:00):
talk some hoops. Jim Jackson from Fox will join us
coming up next. Take a break back after this Dan
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hit that thumbs up icon and comment away. Since two
thousand and nine, eight different pitchers have thrown at least
one pitch of one hundred and four miles per hour
or faster. Now the Brewers have Jacob Mizorowski, who's you know,
(17:00):
routinely throwing it at least one oh one one oh
two the fastest pitches thrown since two thousand and nine.
Ben Joyce of the Angels one oh five point five,
Eraaltis Chapman, he had one oh five point one. He
did it in twenty twenty four, and then fourteen years earlier,
(17:22):
Jordan Hicks through one oh five twice in twenty eighteen,
and then Eraaldis Chapman at one oh five in twenty sixteen.
I don't know how fast you can throw a baseball,
like there has to be. Is there a limit? Is
there a max because we can look at the golf
(17:44):
ball technology in golf and they're hitting it further, but
that is in large part due to the golf ball.
There is technology, but these guys know how to maximize
their swing. Is there a limit to how far you
can hit a baseball? Is there a limit to how
fast you can throw a baseball? Is there a limit
(18:06):
to how high you can jump, how fast you can run?
I don't know. I just at some point you go,
I think we're going to top out here. I think, yes, Dyling.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, But I think it's just each generation there's like
new benchmarks. So if you told someone in the nineteen
thirty is that people are gonna be throwing one oh five, yeah,
I mean they're still throwing hard, you know, like the
Bob Gibson's of the world in the I mean a
little bit later. But I think as humans have all,
I mean, weren't people like a couple hundred years ago
just on average significantly shorter and smaller.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
See an old doorway and it's yeah yeah. But also
technology video review, how to how to maximize you know,
leg strength the ground. We do that in golf, we
do that in baseball.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yes, still yeah, Like I mean modern medicine and you
know science, I think grows exponent which you see the
result of that in sports all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Pull.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
There's an article it's in detail in the New York
Times a couple of years ago where they talked to
different medical people and people who know about physicists and stuff,
and they said that the current type of human will
probably top out at one and one hundred and ten
in our lifetime, like the next fifty years, because a
lot of advancements have happened in the last thirty years.
It's not going to go geometrically that well. They think
(19:26):
that the owner ligament cannot handle more than one hundred
and ten, and it won't for like five hundred years maybe.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But is there going to be a surgery that strengthens
your owner.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Like an elective beforehand? Yes, they don't have that in here.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Because I wonder if they can do anything with your
knees that this is preemptive surgeries. You know, anything's possible
with modern medicine. Of what is happening, what has happened,
what's going to be legal? I mean there's stuff going
on now in sports with the leagues and you go, wait,
(20:08):
what are they using? What are they doing now? People
for years would say, why do you say that NBA
players are on Uh, would use performance enhancing drugs any
edge you can get. It's about recovery, Like you're not
building a body. I mean, you're not Schwarzenegger here. Yes,
(20:29):
there're steroids in golf, performance enhancing drugs in golf, and
people say, why would they do anything that gives you
an edge? You can swing faster, you can build muscle,
retain muscles. It's kind of crazy. And you know there's
stories that are circulating now about basketball players and what
(20:53):
they could be using, or maybe they are using. Why
would you go, oh, that could he help a baseball player? Well,
why couldn't it help a basketball player. It helps a
football player, it helps sprinters. Why would somebody be naive
and go now, I can't see basketball players doing this? Yes,
(21:14):
paulink that.
Speaker 7 (21:15):
Picture you mentioned.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Ben Joyce of the Angels, he was hurt at the
end of the season last year and he's trying to
get back with a shoulder issue. He's in doing rehab
starts right now. But he had Tommy John back in
twenty twenty one, so he threw one hundred and five
after his first Tommy John.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And I told you that I have a physical therapist
who has worked for with some high end athletes, and
he said he has parents coming to He's had three
parents come to him and say, can my son have
Tommy John surgery before he needs Tommy John surgery, and
my friend said, you know, you look at them and
(21:54):
you say, what are you doing? You know, your kid's
fourteen and you want Tommy John ELECTIVEMMI John surgery to
make it stronger.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yes, I think just even the fact that Tommy John
and like a torn acl are not the death sentence
career wise that they used to be, even you know,
a very short period of time ago speaks volumes to
the medical advancements.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well, the Achilles, Yeah, like being able to come back.
Who would have thought, I mean that that was career ending.
Not anymore. Jim Jackson, Fox, NBA College basketball analyst, Like,
fourteen years in the NBA, we finally found in NBA
finals with two teams that you did not play for
in your career at gym.
Speaker 11 (22:39):
You know, here's the thing about it, though, Dan, all
those teams continue to allow me to cast those checks.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
All right, end of the day, end of the day.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
What do you do with Chet? Holmgren. I don't want
to overreact here.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You are why because I think you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
It's is it a CHET problem or is it a
Chet problem? When they play against Wimby. Now, I know
last year in the finals, he struggled a little bit.
He had he was injured, he had to come back,
and he struggled a little bit. But if you look
at Chef throughout the course of the year, and Chay said,
this is that you know, without Chet, they don't want
a championship. Without Chet, They're not in a situation to compete.
(23:25):
So what happens is in this particular series against Wimby,
he doesn't look like Chet Holmgren. So now it's well,
what do we do with him? So I don't want to.
I wouldn't be the one that panics right away, because
if you go back to history, think about this. You
had questions about Scotty Pipple when he played against the Knicks,
his toughness.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Could he be that second guy?
Speaker 11 (23:48):
Now if the Bulls gave up on Scotty that early,
do we have the dynasty that the Bulls have Kobe
Bryant his rookie year when he infamously shot those air
balls again in Qutah. If the Lakers panic quickly and
Jerry West said, did I make the wrong decision? Is
it the Kobe Bryant that we saw as the Laker
(24:10):
dynasty too many times? We want to based on a series,
give up on a person when they're still young and
still learning. Yes, he has to grow, especially against Wemby.
But I don't think you pulled that trigger right the
way based on just because it was san Antonio.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Oh, I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. I heard analysts
yesterday Jim saying they think he's played his last game
with OKAC, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, Wait a minute,
hold on here. He's a good player, not a great
player yet, but he's going to be compared to Wemby
probably the rest of his career. Correct, that won't go well.
(24:50):
But I can't have somebody who doesn't take a shot
in the second half of the most important game of
the season. So mentally is what I'm I got figure out.
Does he want to be great? Does he does he
want does he want the heat against San Antonio?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (25:08):
Because here's the thing, because an other sea and I
get what you're saying too, because with Kobe, at least
Kobe wasn't afraid to take the shots. I mean, you
knew that, Okay, air balls are not in the moment.
It may not have went through the nets, but his
mentality was I feel I can make it. The thing
about Chet against san Antonio is the lack of aggression. Okay,
(25:31):
if you miss shots, you miss shots, it's gonna happen.
But his body language, lack of aggressiveness, lack of attacking,
lack of doing anything.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Else, it's different.
Speaker 11 (25:42):
Okay, make miss some shots, rebound, block shots, assists, play,
make all these other things that he could have helped
his team to maybe win a game.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
His stat line didn't indicate that.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
And I think that's where the issue is with a
lot of people too, is that Okay, yeah, you didn't
shoot well, but man, you didn't do anything else either.
So I hope that internally they've had enough information downloaded,
enough information on Chet to understand what his value is,
and they don't paddick. Now, is it a situation where
(26:15):
you can get Yannis. If you can get Yannis and
this is a short term fix in the next three
to four years, that you've got a chance to compete against,
you know, san Antonio, who you're gonna have to go through. Now,
what does that look like because you have young players
and you have draft assets that can make him make sense? Okay,
(26:35):
And that's something internally that they have to look at.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
It feels like both of these teams in the finals
are underdogs.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
From what perspective, well.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Historically with the Knicks and San Antonio with just youth, Yeah,
but they do feel under I know san Antonio is
slight favorite, but you don't get that sense that they're
kind of underdoggie.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
I think it's question marks, you know what I mean,
because the status quo is like, Okay, well, a young
team shouldn't be able to make it this far.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
A young team, you have to go through.
Speaker 11 (27:12):
The process, which history says that's what teams do. Boston
had to do it and they lost in the Eastern
Conference finals a couple of times. The Lakers had to
do it, the Bulls had to do it, Detroit had.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
But in today's world, with the way the game is
and the youth in the game, this team was put
together and they were able to jail together a young
coach with Miss Johnson, they all grew and they figured
things out collectively and they beat the top dog. So
there still are going to be some questions with New York.
It's yeah, and you know New York is good, but
(27:48):
New York is good, But can cat continue to play
and be facilitator. Can Jalen with the ball in his
hands be able to make plays? And Josh Hartens all
these things, but the beauty of it as both teams
got here in their own unique way. New York played
their best basketball in the year Dan, I mean unbelievable.
I mean unbelievable role players understood who they were. And
(28:10):
then when San Antonio, everybody just bought in defensively, offensively,
no egos. That's the beauty about this series because there
are still some little unknowns like O Case, you know
who they are. Golden State, you knew who they were.
These two teams, I think are still evolving. Even though
New York is still an older, more mature team. You know,
(28:31):
they still ask some questions to answer.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
When did we go from ballhog to ball dominant? Like
remember this was a bad thing. Isaiah was with us
a couple of weeks ago, and he said, yeah, we
we were a ballhog if you know, wasn't ball dominant.
But I don't know, like was Iverson a ball hog?
(28:54):
But was ball dominant and great at it? Like I
don't know when we went from that yeh man pass
the ball to hey, he needs it so he can
get his shots.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
Well, corresponding with analytics, because analytics is gonna tell you
somebody's juices rate.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
And now once we start.
Speaker 11 (29:13):
Breaking that number down a high usage right now, Again,
that takes in a lot of factors. But James Harden,
Russell Westbrook, the Luca Downtets a Jalen Brunton because they
have the ball in their hands a lot more, and
those analytics are gonna look different. They're gonna use those
numbers to make a point about a person or to
(29:34):
make another point about a person that their two ball dominant.
And that's a great question too because throughout the game
and history, different guys that dominated the ball a little
bit more, but it wasn't looked I don't know if
it was looked at it the same way it is
in today's game, because they're a little bit more isolations,
you know, in some situation and a player like a
(29:58):
Jalen Brunson who does dominate the ball but still make play,
still make shots big time. So it's a confluence. Now
here's the thing. Jalen Brunton dominates. But yet if you're
Mike Brown, if you're dibidoh Man, I got to have
a ball in my best player's hand and the way
their team is built. Who else Now that cat is
(30:21):
doing his thing, but before it's going to facilitate, who
else had to enter the shot clock is really going
to go get their shot. So it's a casse twenty
two with depending on how your team is made up.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
We're talking to Jim Jackson, Fox Sports. How do you
explain what Brunson does in a tiny space that ability
to his handle is not outside his body. It's going
to tight spaces, but to find those spaces, not be
afraid of those spaces and kind of get you leaning
(30:52):
one way or another. Can you teach that?
Speaker 11 (30:55):
Yeah, you can, because this is the beauty about the
game of basketball, especially somebody like Jaden Brunson who doesn't
rely on athleticism to be able to make him the
kind of player that he is. So give a lot
of credit to his father, Rick Bunsen, when he was
younger to understand to use your ability in between your ears,
to understand space angles, how.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
To create shots.
Speaker 11 (31:18):
Okay, so you take the number one player in high
school point guard. Watch he could have went anywhere, Dan,
but he chose to go to Villanova. Ryan Archidacino was
the starting point guard at that time. Jayden Brunson could
have started for you know, eight hundred other schools, but
he chose to go there. Why because the teaching, the fundamentals,
understanding how to play the game the right way was
(31:39):
very important.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
It is valuable. So now you get to Villanova, you
learn how.
Speaker 11 (31:43):
To play off the two feet in between small tiny spaces.
So take his already high IQ, combine that with what
Jay Wright was doing and that system there at Villanova,
and now you have the National Player of the Year,
two time champion. Even though he went in the second
round in the draft, people still question whether he could
(32:04):
do it. And now you have more space to play
within the NBA. But yet and still the skill set
has continued to develop. That's why Jannon Brunson is so
potent as a player because he doesn't rely on athleticism,
but he can get to a spot, use his body,
create space and excellent football.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
But the NBA is littered with guys who don't look
like they can be all time greats. Joker did not
look like it. Giannis when he got here, Dirk was
labeled soft, Steve Nash too small, SGA SGA. I mean,
that's the beauty of basketball. Yes, it's he doesn't look
(32:44):
like he could score forty, Like even Luka. When you're around,
when you watch Luca, you're like, okay, and then all
of a sudden you look up and he's got thirty five.
I just I find that fascinating that these guys have
that something you know, something different in DNA that allows
them to be better because they've figured it out. It's
(33:06):
not you know, and those guys I mentioned, they're not
relying on athleticism at all, that crazy athletics. I mean,
they have it, but you're just somehow, some way you've
figured out Rubik's cube here. And I think that's what's
fascinating with Brunson.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
But the history of the game too.
Speaker 11 (33:24):
Think about it, Larry Bird the same way, Jack Sickmund,
same way, because the guys and the players they had
to play against were a little bit more athletically gifted.
But what they were able to do with Kevin McHale, Okay,
it was footwork, it was understanding angles, it was okay,
where do I receive the ball?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Can I get to my space? These things were drilled
over and over and over.
Speaker 11 (33:47):
Again, Okay, to utilize who they have around them, but
also to understand, this is how I'm gonna make my money.
Is these the skill set that I have the develop
based on who I am as a player, not anybody else.
And that's the beauty about the game because the game
can be played in a lot of different ways, and
I think a lot of times we in today's world
(34:11):
harp on athleticism, athleticism. Athleticism, Well, at some point, athleticism
is great because it's athletes across the board in every sport.
But the ones that understand how to make that connection
up here. That's why I think Michael Jordan was such
this a phenomenal players. He took the athleticism with the
(34:33):
skill set, the mindset of how to play the game.
That's what made him unstoppable. Okay, and the same thing
you talked about with I think Jalen and SGA and
Luka Jokic unbelievable I mean unbelievable players because they play
the game between their ears.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
How does the finals play out.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Like that?
Speaker 11 (34:53):
I like the Knicks and six and the reason why
is because not because the six, I mean the next
beat him who won during the season.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's a matchup thing.
Speaker 11 (35:02):
Now listen, the I mean OKC has already dealt with Garden,
Anthony Edwards already.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Dealt with SGA.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
They're gonna plug him, send multiple guys out him, force
other players like Alas Carusso and Mitchell if he would
have played, or to make shots. So that means Josh
Hart Wemby probably is gonna start on It's gonna have
to make shots. But what I love about this New
York team, they're bigger across the board, you know, with
Mitchell Robinson inside and Cat outside, but across their wings
(35:33):
with Og and also McHale, Bridges and Josh, they have size.
San Antonio is not a big team outside of Wemby,
they're not big and Luke Cornett who comes in. So
those double teams when they come and get Jalen in
the middle of the court, now you have bigger guys
receiving the ball in the middle with Og and Micheal
that can make play. I just think that gives them
(35:55):
a strategic co advantage that the other teams didn't have.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And that's why I like.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
The Knicks defensively offensively because of that size that they
have that can I think negate some of that aggressive
defensive nature that San Antonio will.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Employ great to talk to you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
We got it, brother, all right, enjoy it. Man.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That's Jim Jackson, Fox NBA College Basketball Analyst and the
Clippers lead analyst as well. Take a break. Last call
for phone calls. What you learn, what's in store tomorrow
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Speaker 2 (36:40):
I found out that I don't have to pay for
a phishing license in the state of Connecticut when you're
over the age of sixty five. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
All the benefits, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I keep looking for all the benefits of turning seventy.
I found one. I don't have to pay for my
fishing license. I'm going fishing tomorrow for trout, but my
waiters are up in Maine, so I might have to
go out and get another pair of waiters because we're
going in the river doing a little fly fish in
there late in the afternoon. Findal results of the poll
(37:12):
question there, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Well, Dan, what will you be watching more of the
NBA Finals or Stanley Cup Final? Fifty six percent say
the NBA Finals. I'm going to disagree, but I get it.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Okay, that's fair. Let's see Reggie Miller will be on
the program tomorrow. Get us ready for the NBA Finals.
Finding a few more people who like the Knicks, few
more people like the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yes, Ton, I meant to ask you do you tip
your waiters?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Thank you, Tod.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Where do you keep your hands steady?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yes, Dylan, I sent this around a little bit. But
the it's not easy doing this show. It's not. It
is not. You are the king of the left turns.
You are.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Three left maker, right though.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Thank you? Yeah, I'm gonna say thank you, Tom. But yeah,
uh did you have something I did?
Speaker 10 (38:11):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, all right, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
There are some old rivalries bubbling up before the NBA Finals.
I don't know if you remember, but after Wemby's first
forty point game his rookie year, it was also the
same game Jayalen Brunson had sixty one and then Wemby
I believe, had a block at the end and then
launched the ball into the stands, for which he was fine,
but people were also like, hey, that's Jalen. That should
be Jaalen Brunson's ball. Oh so maybe a little bad blood?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Well I hope. Yeah, it's the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Well there's not always bad blood, I guess. Also, the
Knicks did get the best of them in the NBA
Cup this year.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Too, Yeah, yes, yes, Paul and Iowa. Paul, thanks for holding.
What do you have for me?
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Hey, Dan?
Speaker 12 (38:53):
Well, it's been a while since I called in a
lot of changes. Now I have two girls under too,
So if you have any advice on that first time
up called in since Dylan got the upgrade, congrats buddy.
But I wanted to drop a RAMS related stat of
the day for you.
Speaker 10 (39:09):
Okay, So after.
Speaker 12 (39:24):
The Miles Garrett trade, it has been thirty three years
since the last time two NFL teams from the same
division won consecutive Super Bowls, the ninety two Redskins and
the ninety three Cowboys. Brought to you by Panini America.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Wow product placement there, Paul and IOWA. Good to have
you back. David in Ohio, Hi, David, what do you
have for me?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Hey? What's up? Dan?
Speaker 6 (39:55):
I don't know if you saw on the on the news,
but Roger Goodell is a parent going to be testifying
in Congress about the TV deal that the NFL is
doing with some of its partners, and with the price
of going to watch every game. I see the map
is about eleven hundred dollars to watch every game of
all the thing platforms. I didn't know if he saw
(40:17):
that or had a comment on that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I saw it. I don't have a comment. You know,
maybe something happens, but yeah, you know that's pretty hepty
price tag. Yesh Dylan, all right, late.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Pole question, would you rather spend eleven hundred dollars to
get the entire year's worth of WWE or eleven hundred
for every NFL game?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Every NFL game, I've yet to watch a WWE event
as being sarcastic. Thank you, thank you. I can't tell
with the back row you guys, here's all right, Thank you, Todd.
What did I learn today?
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Jim Jackson says, Okay, so shouldn't panic if the game
seven and look to get.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Rid of Chet Holmgren. Reggie Miller will join us on
the program tomorrow. Enjoy the hockey tonight for Fritzie Dylan,
Mark Paula, yours truly have a great day. We'll talk
to you tomorrow.
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Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
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