September 19, 2024 • 37 mins
Dan talks to Sunday Night Football analyst Cris Collinsworth about the 2025 Pro Football Hall of Fame nominees. MLB insider Jeff Passan explains why Shohei Ohtani's season is special even if he doesn't get to the 50/50 mark. And legendary broadcaster Al Michaels talks about the one event that he'd like to broadcast before the end of his career.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
This Sunday night, Mahomes and the raining Super Bowl champs
go to Atlanta to take on the Falcons. It'll start
the festivities in primetime Sunday at seven Eastern on NBC
and Peacock. Chris Collinsworth will be on the call with
Mike Turrico on Sunday Night, and Chris joins us on
the program. How often do you find yourself rooting for
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one of the teams to win the previous week if
they're going to be on Sunday Night? Like, were you
a Falcons fan against the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That's a dirty question right off the bat. The answer
is yes. I do have to say. You know, in life,
we all kind of cheer for what's best for our
company and our product, and an zero to two Falcons
team going home, you know, and nobody really too excited
and playing the Chiefs. But now, after that thing the
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other night, it was that was really something that was
that was some comeback. Those two teams running the ball
so well up and down the field, and then all
of a sudden, Cousins just went crazy. I mean it
was it looked so hard to throw the ball on
several occasions during the course of that game, and then
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you just have just exploded in four or five plays,
and it was really that was exciting. And they're they're
an interesting team because they can run it so well.
Bijon Robinson is just so good.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I mean, this.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Sucker can not only does he have those one step
cuts and speed to get the outside zone, they run
outside zone about as well as as teams that I've
seen this season in Philadelphia, you know, had a good
running game going too.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
When it comes to the Hall of Fame, are you
more of a stats guy or the eye test that
somebody's a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You know, if I've seen them or I've played against them.
That's that's an easy question, right, I mean, that's that's
an easy one for me.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Like I'll give you an example.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm studying the tape of Atlanta the other night, and
Chris Linstrom's their right guard.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Nobody cares, right, nobody.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Cares, And but I'm watching them, and for the whole
first half, Chris Linstrom is cutting the inside backer for
the Eagles and they're breaking off these big runs. And
then you start to notice that like no other guard
sort of gets left alone to have the.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Block one on one and.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
In pass protection Chris Linstrom does almost every time. So
he gave up a sack, he gave up a quick pressure.
There were a couple other things. But if you said
who was the best player you saw on the field
for Atlanta, Beijon would have been close. They Chris Lynch
from would have been the other. Now, his stat line
is going to say he gave up a sack and
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he gave up a quick pressure that cost him a play.
But the where they put him in the game and
what they force him to do against those big defensive
tackles of the Eagles, I thought was the most impressive.
So I don't know if that answers the question, but
that's if I've seen it. I feel better about it
than I would just looking at stats.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But you know, Luke Keighley's a Hall of Famer, Yeah,
Terrell Suggs Hall of Famer. Yeah, Marshawn Lynch hall of Famer,
no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. Okay, are any of
those guys first ballot Hall of Famers because this is
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their first year being nominated. It's Keith Lee a first
ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yes, I think for my money, all three of those
guys first they I you know, not that it's it's
too hard for me to understand, you know, either a
guy is you know what I mean, Dan, It's like,
if if he's good enough to be in the Hall
of Fame, then he should be in the Hall of
Fame in the first ballot. And maybe we shouldn't even
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be considering people. I don't know, but it's it's like,
is it a Hall of Fame? Is this the greatest players?
Are these the greatest of all time? And Marshawn Lynch
was an absolute beast. Suggs, I mean, how many times
did I see him, you know, break the nose of
Ben Roethlisberger and Keickley is just a no brainer. I
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think he kind of changed the position, not just with
the way that he tackled and played in the run game,
but with the way he played in coverage. He was
one of the great cover linebackers that that I've seen. So,
you know, from those are all my eye test, those
are those three guys were great.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Manning a first ballance Hall of Famer I.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Think that's harder, you know, because it's it is. I've
seen Eli have off years. I've seen Eli, you know,
have spectacular years. Eli is the guy that when he's on,
it's sort of like the Manning Show in some ways.
It's like when Eli's funny and entertainment, like he can
carry the whole thing. And Eli and those two super
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Bowl years could not have been any better. I mean,
it was stunning. Some of the games that he came
away with. The natural statistics of Eli Manning are going
to be a tough comparison against some other people. But
two super Bowls is two super Bowls and either we're
in or we're out. On the only thing that matters
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is quarterbacks winning Super Bowls. I'll let me pile on
how many stats for my guy, Kenny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I agree in the.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Hall of Fame, four time passing champion, we go to
the Super Bowl suck when we in the first half
of that game and we cost Kenny what sort of
been a Super Bowl championship. He played great. There was
nothing Kenny did wrong in that game. And yet that's
going to be the standard. But if that's a standard,
then all right, then Eli's definitely.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
In talking to Chris collins Worth, he'll be on the
call Sunday night on NBC and Peacock Chiefs and the Falcons.
What have you noticed with the Jets so far their
offense with Aaron Rodgers? What do they have and what
are they missing?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, the first thing that came up is when I
first saw Aaron in camp, I thought he was still limping,
you know that whatever it was, And I go, oh,
that's because his mobility was a big part of what
he did. You know, I always thought he was one
of the toughest guys to try and rush for against
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because he innately knew where that was. There's there's six
places you can run if you're the quarterback, and they
rush four, and I mean he found it brigging every time,
you know, so he could step up and make throws
and do that.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So I think.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Aaron Rodgers is not yet where he's going to be
this year. And with the way they play defense and
the improvements and the health on the offensive line, you know,
you hope that Tyron Smith can stay healthy. You hope
that Morgan Moses and Barrett Tucker and all those guys
stay healthy, and you know they can run the football
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with Brest Hall and what's the kid's name, Brelan Allen
something something like that. I thought they put on a show.
So yeah, I'm kind of bullish on the Jets because
of the way they play defense. And I think Aaron
Rodgers is is just getting started. To me. This is
like where when I played, where we were for opening Day,
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You know, we had played in two or three preseason games.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
We were kind of ready to go.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't care what anybody says about practice and the
scrimmages and all that stuff preseason. You just you have
to play in a game. You have to when people
are out there trying to kill you. You have to
play in a game to get a feel for playing
in the NFL. And I mean it's every year. It
startles me. It just when I see the first game
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that we call, it just is startling how violent and
how fast the game is after you've been watching the
preseason games. But I do think you'll get there. The
other thing I really believe Dan is that I don't
pay attention until we get October. I really don't. I
think the NFL does a great job of matching up
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really good teams against really good teams early, so we
get early losses out of those teams, teams that haven't
been so good against teams that haven't been so good,
and so we get some cheap wins early, and so
you don't know. And the other part of it is
coaches need tape to coach, so the elite coaches can
take what their guys have done in a game and
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that game film and coach them to take them to
a level that lesser coaches cannot.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We're two weeks in passing touchdowns are way down, way down.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Why well, I think it's part of the reason you're
seeing everybody running the ball so well. It has really
become the thing in the NFL, and its started, you know,
many many years ago. But if there was always an argument,
you know, everybody says, oh, you got to.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Run the ball to win game. You got to run
the ball.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Almost every defensive coordinator I've talked to you go, I
don't give it, damn how many yards they run for.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
They're not going to beat me running for one hundred
and fifty yards. They're going to beat me.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Because they had three plays that went for fifty over
my head. And that's that's really where the game has evolved.
So now because of Mahomes and we saw everybody went
to the two deep safeties and they're just sitting there.
And so now these safeties are getting a little bit better,
and the slot players in particular are getting better at
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sort of playing that wide receiver screen, coming back in
and supporting the run game. The safeties know how to
get up and down, but it's really hard to get
a ball over the top of these defenses anymore. So
you don't get cheap points, you don't get fast points
the way that you did. And you know, so really
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the game is always the ebb and flow of it.
Right now, that ebb or flow or whatever it is
is the run game. And you're seeing these guys look
spectacular running the ball, it's because they don't have enough
guys to stop it in the box.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I've been saying for years. I don't know why somebody
doesn't be counterintuitive and say we're going to build our
team that you have to stop us, that we're not
going to be like every other team. Everybody has, you know,
fast edge rushers, your defensive players are a little smaller.
Everybody wants the passing game. What if we just do
what Jim Harbaugh is doing with the Chargers. We're gonna
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have a great offensive line. We're going to run the ball,
control the clock, and we're going to put pressure on
you to score points. I maybe we're seeing that, maybe
this is an aberration, but I would I would have
an offense that was different. I wouldn't try. We can't
be the Chiefs, so don't try to be the Chiefs.
Be something that can beat the Chiefs differently.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, I the opening statement that you made there, I
am a thousand percent on board. If you put me
in charge of any football team tomorrow, I would start
scouting offensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
That's I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I watched I watched Atlanta, I watched Philadelphia. You watch
the interior bree for Kansas City, you want. I mean
when quarterbacks Jalen Hurts sat in the pocket a few
times in that game the other night. And I know
Atlanta didn't draft an edge player. Maybe they should, maybe
they shouldn't, But I'm just watching Jalen just stand there,
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you know, And you've got NFL caliber receivers out there
running around and a bunch of defensive backs trying to
figure out which way they're going, and then you've got
a quarterback that can take off and run out of
that fore man rush, and we already talked about the
gaps and a four man rush and what they can do.
So yeah, I mean, you give these guys the ability
to run the ball with a great offensive line and
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that kind of pass protection. I don't know how defensively
you stop that. I just don't, and I don't think
many teams do. Now, it may be methodical because you're
going to run the ball, but then you add in
that element of a running quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I mean it almost seems unfair.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I mean there are times you go, if you're playing defense, like, coach,
what do you want me to do?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, I mean to come on, what do you
want me to do?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
There's I can't rpo, you know, so now I got
to play the run game. And then I got to
drop back underneath this thing. And if I do, he
hands it off, and if he doesn't hand it off,
the quarterback keeps it. You know, it takes. The one
negative about that approach is it takes so long. Ten
plays in the NFL, they're gonna throw at least one
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flag for holding.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's like when you return kickoffs. I'm not sure I
would ever return kickoffs because one in three year is
going to have a holding call and you're going to
be back inside your own twenty yard line, right, So
all those things come into play, and that's part of
the strategy. But it's it's fun to watch how this
game goes. I can remember back in the day when
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everybody was playing zone defense and then they started playing
mand a man and then Dan Mano went out and
got his two great receivers and I was like, oh,
forget that. We can't bump around those three guys, you know,
So I just it just always changes, it always does,
you know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I don't know if you ever heard this. Came up
with an idea that offensive and defensive linemen have to
wear mittens so they can't hold.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
What do you think like those things?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
But the yeah, you can't you can't hold?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
All right? Can I can I take it the opposite direction?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think holding should be at most the five yard penalty. Like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Why don't we make it legal?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Why don't we make it legal?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Can you imagine how much fun it would be if
offensive lineman could tackle defensive linemen?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
So what's the entire point of the game.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
The entire point of the game is we want more
points and we want quarterbacks alive.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Right, if you said, what.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Are the two most important things that the NFL does
in all their rules and all the different things protect
the quarterback? Because there's when you've got a third string
quarterback in December going against a second string quarterback on
Sunday night football. It's not a whole lot of fun. Right,
So we're trying to protect the quarterbacks, right, and so
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what better way to do that then to allow holding,
or if they do hold, it's only a five yard penalty,
so that it's not second and twenty and you know,
warm up the punt team. You know, let's keep alive
the possibility that they can still convert that in a
ten yard penalty for what for protecting the quarterback?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I mean, come on.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And then the other thing that's come up now is
they're penalizing the heck out of those tackles for taking
a half step off the ball. Okay, that's okay if
that's what you guys want to enforce, But what's going
to happen More quarterbacks are going to get hit. There's
a reason those tackles are standing in a half yard
off the ball so they can have a better chance
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against those monster edge players that are freaks of nature,
or when you watch this game anymore, and so, are
we trying to protect the quarterback? Well, then give him
that half step. Are we trying to protect the quarterback? Well,
let's let him hold a little bit, all right. If
we're trying to protect the quarterback, well, even if they
do hold, it's only a five yard penalty.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I love it more from Chris Coming up Sunday night
with Mike Turrico. That'll be the Chiefs and the Falcons. Great.
See again, Chris, Thank you, good to see you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
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Speaker 4 (16:34):
Show.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Hey Otani stole his forty ninth base the season and
the Dodgers win over the Marlins. We'll talk to Dave Roberts,
the Dodger manager. Coming up tomorrow, Jeff Passen covers the
national Pastime for the Mothership joins us on the program.
What if Otawni finishes forty nine and forty nine.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And he will still have one of the most remarkable
seasons we've ever seen, and it's every bit as good
as fifty to fifty to me, because we should not
be so obsessed with things that end in zero. It
makes no difference fifty to fifty, fifty one to fifty one,
forty nine, forty nine.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Who cares.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's awesome regardless of what it is. And to me, Dan,
that's what we need to look at, just the breadth
of the accomplishment, not the specific number that he's landing on.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
In the end, I'm glad you agree with me. We
like realm numbers.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
For some stupid reason.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yea, it's no.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
I like this is as a big pet peeve of mine,
because I firmly believe the reason that pitchers throw less
now than they used to is because we have adopted
one hundred as the number that they can pitch to
until people start thinking.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Their arms are going to fall off. And why because
it has two zeros at the end? Is it special? No,
it's It's one of our ridiculous sporting culture traits that
I just want to get rid of, but I know
I never will because those zeros are just so attractive,
They're so pretty.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The chances for Otani to pitch in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, you talk with people in the Dodgers organization and
they are saying it is extremely unlikely. We have gone
from it's not going to happen to it's extremely unlikely.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And yet I had.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
A scout who reached out to me yesterday and sent
me a couple of videos and it was a Shoho
Tani throwing and in one video he had a splitter
grip and in another video he had a slider grip,
And he said, you know, this whole time, I've thought
it was kind of a long shot, but then I
see him going out there and throwing with his full arsenal,
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with a lot of intent. And generally speaking, if you're
doing that coming back off of Tommy John surgery or
off of elbow reconstruction surgery, then you know you're and
so with a purpose. So I still think that at
the end of the day, it probably does not happen.
But I'm a lot more on board with the notion
of it being a possibility than I was even a
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week or two ago. And look, the Dodgers need something.
Gavin Stone is now out for the season. Tyler Glass
now is now out for the season. Bobby Miller has
not pitched well. Walker Rueler, even in good outing, walked
five guys Clayton Kershaw. You don't know what you're going
to get at this point, and that leaves you relying
on Jack Flaherty and yoshinob Yamamoto, who spent months on
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the injured list. It's not a great situation for the Dodgers,
but I just have a hard time Dan believing that
they are going to put the most valuable player in
all of baseball at risk long term for something that
short term just may not pay the kind of dividends
that would be worth it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm talking to Jeff Pouson or the Mothership. You know,
when I saw your sweatshirt, I thought it said white
sucks u X.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
It says wave sucks, as in the wave.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
At I thought it was. I thought it was white
instead of socks white.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, No, I wouldn't, that's real. That would be rude,
I mean the usual. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Yeah, they haven't been great this year, and you know,
I'm glad that I went to Chicago and spent some
time with them, actually, because the genesis behind that story was, Okay,
if the worst team in baseball history is going to exist.
I kind of want to see what it's like there
and want to see just how I guess depressing it
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is for the players. And I'll be honest, man, when
I went there, it was not depressing.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
It was actually, in.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
A way a little bit heartening that these guys are
still trying and that they still care and that they
haven't given up in that just the the gravity of
what they're dealing with right now, which is being the
losingest team in the history of a game that goes
back well over a century. You know, we're talking one
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hundred and twenty five years almost dan in the modern
era of baseball, and they're going to be the worst
team to ever play. It's not the sort of thing
that has like waylaid them or taken them to a
place where they're fighting each other. I think they just
want to go out there and try and have some
spirit and try and salvage this thing, this giant mess,
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as best they can. And I appreciate the effort. I
don't appreciate the game and the skill and the quality
of baseball that they're playing, but they're trying, and you.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Got to give them something.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
For that number of teams who can win the World
Series this year is what.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
They're going to be twelve playoff teams, and I think
twelve teams can win the World Series this year. This
is I've been covering baseball dan for twenty one years now.
I do not remember a postseason going into it where
I thought it was as wide open as this year is.
And that sort of started to manifest itself mid season
when suddenly I realized, like every team has had a
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bad stretch and not just like a week or two off,
Like the Phillies were just like mediocre for a month,
and I think they're probably the best team. The Dodgers
just you know, they have a great record, but they're
bullpen questionable, they're starting pitching really questionable. Everybody out there
has a weakness, and so I'm not looking forward to
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making playoff predictions this year because I think that this
is going to be like an anti chalk World Series.
And we're also coming off one in which the Texas
Rangers in the Arizona Diamondbacks, you know, like a ninety
weird team and like an eighty four win team faced
off the fewest buying wins in baseball history between two
World Series teams. And I could absolutely see something like
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that happening again.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Good to talk to you. Thank you, always a pleasure, Dan,
Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let's bring in the Hall of Famer Al Michaels. He'll
be on the call with Kirk kurb Street tonight. It'll
be Amazon Prime kick off at eight fifteen Eastern only
on Prime Video. Al, I'm curious how much advice you
give to a analyst. Let's say Tom Brady was going
to be your analyst to start out Game one. How
much information advice would you have given him leading into
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Game one?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Well, I actually have talked to Tom on a couple
of occasions, and you know, five dead seconds on television
may seem like a minute. So you don't have to
be a racehorse who can't wait to get out of
the gate. The replay will wait. Let the game come
to you. And I know a lot of people say
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be yourself. That's just too much of a cliche, much
too general. But look, a guy like Tom, he's going
to know the game inside out. But it's a matter
of rhythm. It's getting in sync with Kevin Burkhart. I
think he's done extremely well the first two games. Listening
to the truck. It's easy for people to think, oh,
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you go into the booth and just stew all of
your knowledge about football. But you know as well as
I do. You've got people in your ear, you've got
the crowd screaming. You know, a lot of things are
happening at once. I mean it's almost like you know,
the truck is air traffic control and you're trying to
land the plane and land it safely. So I think
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Tom has done Look, I know he got a lot
of heat. I guess after the first game, I thought
it was pretty good coming out of the gate. I
thought he'd did a really good job. But take your time.
You don't have to race to be there, and pretty much,
I guess, in general terms, I would say, let the
game come to you. See you'll go in prepared like crazy,
and you'll want to get a lot of stuff in.
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But if it's not happening, it's just wasteful. Let the
game come to you. You'll figure out where it is
and you'll be better for that.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I had said after week one, he's got to
learn TV. He knows football, But learning TV is really
tricky because, as you said, I could hear his producer
in his ear at one point and you freeze up
a little bit there just getting into that rhythm. You know,
it's it's kind of like surfing. You know, there's only
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one Kelly Slater, but you can emulate that. You're it's
it's choppy, you could go under, You're going to get
back up, get back on the board again. And you
got to make it look easy, sound simple, sound comfortable.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I have always likened to the game is the melow.
You're providing the lyrics, so you want it to match.
You don't want it to be ca confidence. You want
to talk about what people are seeing, so you don't
want to go astray for they see pictures and then
you have to describe what you see and maybe get
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into things that you see and they see, but you
know a lot more about So the key I think
is the rhythm and the balance and not trying to
do too much. And again, you know, like I say,
when guys come into the booth, I said, listen, five
seconds is nothing. It's going to seem like a minute.
It is only five seconds. Relax. You don't have to
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talk over everything that's on the screen. You just don't.
And you just you know, make it and feel where
the game is too. When the game is great, you
ratcheting up a little bit. When the game is not
so great, Okay, you don't make too much of a
bad game because otherwise now you're just sounding like a shield.
And I think, you know, look, Tom will get better
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and better. I think at the end of the day,
he's going to be one of the best ever.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm talking to Al Michaels. He'll be on the call
with Kirk kurb Street tonight. It's the Jets and the Patriots.
Did you guys get a chance to talk to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
We did.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Had a pretty fascinating conversation with him because I was
thinking about the fact that he is really excited. You know,
he's coming back from obviously the torn achilles. He's back.
Looked really good last week, leading that game winning drive
against Tennessee, and what he was saying the other day,
he loves the process. He loves Monday through Saturday, or
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this week, Monday through Wednesday because the game is tonight.
He loves building the foundation, the building blocks. He says,
that to him is what really is the most exciting
part of the game. And then you see how it's
manifest on Sunday, and it's so much in contrast to
all of the years I had Brett Farr and I
covered a ton of games with Brett, and Brett was
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the exact opposite. Brett at one point said I'll play
until I'm sixty if I only had to play the games.
He didn't like practice. Berett couldn't wait to get out
of practice. Brett would leave practice and go play nine
holes of golf if he could every day. Very much
in contrast. Now, look they're both great, they're both fantastic quarterbacks.
But it's interesting how the process is so different in
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how they got to the game.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, I'm just curious with Rogers that do you think
he'd rather talk football or non football when you're having
a conversation both, You know, it's.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Kind of funny. He'll go not far astray, but I
mean he is Aaron is extremely intelligent. He is very
well read. He's had tons of experience, I mean going
around the world and just absorbing everything. Aaron wants to
absorb everything that's around him, It's not just football. And
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he's very perceptive. He sees how people react to him.
I mean sometimes you'll say in the room with him,
and he'll he'll see you, and if you begin to, like, uh,
when your thoughts waiver, he'll go, hey, get up, you know,
wake up here, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
See he's he's very perceptive in that regard. He's he's
extremely well read, extremely smart. But I think you know,
Aaron is the kind of guy he'd like to talk
about you name it football, great, you want to talk
about philosophy, whatever, anything else, the current events, whatever. He
can go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Did you ever have a bad production meeting with somebody?
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Sure, Well, when you say bad, there are guys who
come in and they don't want to talk and they
don't want to say anything. And it's not that they're
angry with you or anything, because if they come in
and they agree to do the production meeting, you know
they have said okay, I'll sit in there. But a
lot of times, you know what's wasteful for us anyway
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is you get nothing, And a lot of the young
guys are like that way. What I have found through
the years, though, is these players, now, you guys have
grown up in the television world. They've been getting interviews
since they were in high school. They know how to
do it, they understand it, and the pr people are
now talking to them, telling them, hey, here's what you
have to give, you know, and a lot of them
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right now you know what it is. Then they're building
their brand. So they love being a part of this.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
The Hall of Fame we've been talking about the first
two hours here the new nominees for the Hall of
Fame or they're on the ballot. Now, are you a
stat guide for a Hall of Fame or just the
name recognition? You know it's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
The latter because you can look at numbers and make
numbers dance any way you want. But I look at
a guy, and for those of us who have been
around the game a long long time, and especially for
the voters, you can see that person. You can watch
him play, you can think about how he played, you
can think about how he played in big games. I
think that is more important because the statistics can can,
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you know, make it seem as if, oh, this guy
was the greatest of all time, were not as great
as we thought he was. I don't buy into that.
I think I just try to look at the whole
body of his career and see if I think that
guy has Hall of Fame wording. Hey, by the way,
the one bad production meeting we did have Buddy Ryan
probably nineteen eighty seven or eighties with Philadelphia, and he
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didn't like for some reason, he didn't he hated these
meetings and he called me a soccer announcer. I remember
into a soccer game in my life. Cantankeer is Buddy Ryan.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I had a bad run in with him too, al yeah, yeah.
He scolded me for asking about protecting Randall Cunningham this
season after Cunningham got sacked like sixty four times, and
I said, what did you do in the off season
to ensure that Randall won't get sacked as many times?
And he just blurted out, Oh, We're just gonna let
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everybody sack him, and then he walked away. Hey, pr
guy Crafting brought him back. I asked the same question,
he answered it the same way. I was like, oh yeah, buddy,
and I didn't ever see eye to eye, but at
least he didn't Kevin Gilbride.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Me, Kevin, what did he What did he do to you?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
No, buddy punched Kevin? Oh correct, there you go, right.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Punched him on this on the sideline the Otani situation, Like,
what would fifty to fifty mean to you? I know,
we're kind of numbed to numbers now. It feels like
in all sports. Yeah, but fifty to fifty means? What
fifty to fifty?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I mean you talk about Otani home runs, stolen bases,
clutches and all that. I cannot you know, living in
LA I can't wait for him to pitch next year.
That's what I can't wait for. I mean, you forget
about this guy. I watched the pitch of a one
hit shutout against Detroit Land year, and then I think
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too there was a first game of a doubleheader and
he hit two home runs in the other game. I mean,
he is the one off of one of they talked about,
you know, not since Babe Ruth, and they're right. I mean,
Babe Ruth could pitch, he could hit. We know what
his career was like. So I really can't wait for
Otani next year to you know, to get into that rotation.
He is as special as they've ever come?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Is Kirk does he bring his dog to every game?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
The dog is here. We had our meeting. The dog
is here. The dog, the dog. The dog was in
repose today, let's put it that way.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
And the dog.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
The dog even passed up on the bacon which wasn't
very good at the at the buffet this morning. But
Ben is Ben is here on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He is. Have you had somebody bring a pet into
the booth before to broadcast a game with?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
No? No, I've worked with a few pets, but I've
never had anybody. But you know, I'm not an animal person.
I've never had an animal in my life. I've never
had a goldfish man. But I kind of fell in love.
I mean, Ben is like a gorgeous Golden retriever and
he's you know, and Kirk has him off the leash
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and he's just he's right there with him, and he's
so smart. We're in a hotel last year and we
get out of the elevator and Kirk and me and
Ben and there was a maze to get to Kirk's room,
you know, walk like a Grand Prix course in the
in the hallway, and then the dog found the room.
It was it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Are you considering getting a dog? I am not considering
getting a dog, but I you know what, but no,
But one day I would like to announce the Westminster
Kennel Dog Show. I think that would be a lot
of fun. That's one thing I haven't done. But I
got to say.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I'm not saying it's on my bucket list, but you
know what, would I say, there's a pooch, there's a pooch,
a pooch, a pooch, punt a pooch, a pooch, a
pooch in a mutt? I mean, what do I know?
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Dog bree Okay, would you do it tongue in cheek
like best in Show that mockumentary that they did Fred Willard.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
I'd have to me.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know, you name it, Paulie, you know the person
there who runs this time? Absolutely do mister Michaels, if
you would like me to. They're going to scoop you
up for a second.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I'll do it with Will Ferrell's coming on your show tomorrow, right, Yes,
I want to know what he thinks of my La
Kings this year. We really haven't. You know. He's a
huge hockey fan. I see him the parking lot of
after another loss. But I'm curious to know what he
thinks about my Kings.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Well, I'll I asked if Will wants to take part
in the Westminster Dog Show. Absolutely yeah, and we'll make
TV magic, That's what we do.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
And then I'll bring up a name that nobody will
ever remember, Rudd Weatherwax, who was the trainer for a Lassie. Okay,
there you go. I know I'm dating myself, but what
the hell one of the great names in history. I
think he just passed a Weatherwax. I think he just
passed away. I think wow, I think wow. Yeah. Uh,
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have fun tonight, Al. The stuff you learned on this
show is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I got to start listening to it.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
I haven't seen you in a while. Loving it on
the show. Let's do it regularly. Come on, man, thank you,
thank you. That's Al Michaels
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This Sunday night, Mahomes and the raining Super Bowl champs
go to Atlanta to take on the Falcons. It'll start
the festivities in primetime Sunday at seven Eastern on NBC
and Peacock. Chris Collinsworth will be on the call with
Mike Turrico on Sunday Night, and Chris joins us on
the program. How often do you find yourself rooting for
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one of the teams to win the previous week if
they're going to be on Sunday Night? Like, were you
a Falcons fan against the Eagles?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That's a dirty question right off the bat. The answer
is yes. I do have to say. You know, in life,
we all kind of cheer for what's best for our
company and our product, and an zero to two Falcons
team going home, you know, and nobody really too excited
and playing the Chiefs. But now, after that thing the
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other night, it was that was really something that was
that was some comeback. Those two teams running the ball
so well up and down the field, and then all
of a sudden, Cousins just went crazy. I mean it
was it looked so hard to throw the ball on
several occasions during the course of that game, and then
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you just have just exploded in four or five plays,
and it was really that was exciting. And they're they're
an interesting team because they can run it so well.
Bijon Robinson is just so good.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I mean, this.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Sucker can not only does he have those one step
cuts and speed to get the outside zone, they run
outside zone about as well as as teams that I've
seen this season in Philadelphia, you know, had a good
running game going too.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
When it comes to the Hall of Fame, are you
more of a stats guy or the eye test that
somebody's a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You know, if I've seen them or I've played against them.
That's that's an easy question, right, I mean, that's that's
an easy one for me.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Like I'll give you an example.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I'm studying the tape of Atlanta the other night, and
Chris Linstrom's their right guard.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Nobody cares, right, nobody.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Cares, And but I'm watching them, and for the whole
first half, Chris Linstrom is cutting the inside backer for
the Eagles and they're breaking off these big runs. And
then you start to notice that like no other guard
sort of gets left alone to have the.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Block one on one and.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
In pass protection Chris Linstrom does almost every time. So
he gave up a sack, he gave up a quick pressure.
There were a couple other things. But if you said
who was the best player you saw on the field
for Atlanta, Beijon would have been close. They Chris Lynch
from would have been the other. Now, his stat line
is going to say he gave up a sack and
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he gave up a quick pressure that cost him a play.
But the where they put him in the game and
what they force him to do against those big defensive
tackles of the Eagles, I thought was the most impressive.
So I don't know if that answers the question, but
that's if I've seen it. I feel better about it
than I would just looking at stats.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But you know, Luke Keighley's a Hall of Famer, Yeah,
Terrell Suggs Hall of Famer. Yeah, Marshawn Lynch hall of Famer,
no doubt, no doubt, no doubt. Okay, are any of
those guys first ballot Hall of Famers because this is
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their first year being nominated. It's Keith Lee a first
ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yes, I think for my money, all three of those
guys first they I you know, not that it's it's
too hard for me to understand, you know, either a
guy is you know what I mean, Dan, It's like,
if if he's good enough to be in the Hall
of Fame, then he should be in the Hall of
Fame in the first ballot. And maybe we shouldn't even
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be considering people. I don't know, but it's it's like,
is it a Hall of Fame? Is this the greatest players?
Are these the greatest of all time? And Marshawn Lynch
was an absolute beast. Suggs, I mean, how many times
did I see him, you know, break the nose of
Ben Roethlisberger and Keickley is just a no brainer. I
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think he kind of changed the position, not just with
the way that he tackled and played in the run game,
but with the way he played in coverage. He was
one of the great cover linebackers that that I've seen. So,
you know, from those are all my eye test, those
are those three guys were great.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Manning a first ballance Hall of Famer I.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Think that's harder, you know, because it's it is. I've
seen Eli have off years. I've seen Eli, you know,
have spectacular years. Eli is the guy that when he's on,
it's sort of like the Manning Show in some ways.
It's like when Eli's funny and entertainment, like he can
carry the whole thing. And Eli and those two super
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Bowl years could not have been any better. I mean,
it was stunning. Some of the games that he came
away with. The natural statistics of Eli Manning are going
to be a tough comparison against some other people. But
two super Bowls is two super Bowls and either we're
in or we're out. On the only thing that matters
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is quarterbacks winning Super Bowls. I'll let me pile on
how many stats for my guy, Kenny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I agree in the.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Hall of Fame, four time passing champion, we go to
the Super Bowl suck when we in the first half
of that game and we cost Kenny what sort of
been a Super Bowl championship. He played great. There was
nothing Kenny did wrong in that game. And yet that's
going to be the standard. But if that's a standard,
then all right, then Eli's definitely.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
In talking to Chris collins Worth, he'll be on the
call Sunday night on NBC and Peacock Chiefs and the Falcons.
What have you noticed with the Jets so far their
offense with Aaron Rodgers? What do they have and what
are they missing?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, the first thing that came up is when I
first saw Aaron in camp, I thought he was still limping,
you know that whatever it was, And I go, oh,
that's because his mobility was a big part of what
he did. You know, I always thought he was one
of the toughest guys to try and rush for against
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because he innately knew where that was. There's there's six
places you can run if you're the quarterback, and they
rush four, and I mean he found it brigging every time,
you know, so he could step up and make throws
and do that.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So I think.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Aaron Rodgers is not yet where he's going to be
this year. And with the way they play defense and
the improvements and the health on the offensive line, you know,
you hope that Tyron Smith can stay healthy. You hope
that Morgan Moses and Barrett Tucker and all those guys
stay healthy, and you know they can run the football
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with Brest Hall and what's the kid's name, Brelan Allen
something something like that. I thought they put on a show.
So yeah, I'm kind of bullish on the Jets because
of the way they play defense. And I think Aaron
Rodgers is is just getting started. To me. This is
like where when I played, where we were for opening Day,
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You know, we had played in two or three preseason games.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
We were kind of ready to go.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't care what anybody says about practice and the
scrimmages and all that stuff preseason. You just you have
to play in a game. You have to when people
are out there trying to kill you. You have to
play in a game to get a feel for playing
in the NFL. And I mean it's every year. It
startles me. It just when I see the first game
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that we call, it just is startling how violent and
how fast the game is after you've been watching the
preseason games. But I do think you'll get there. The
other thing I really believe Dan is that I don't
pay attention until we get October. I really don't. I
think the NFL does a great job of matching up
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really good teams against really good teams early, so we
get early losses out of those teams, teams that haven't
been so good against teams that haven't been so good,
and so we get some cheap wins early, and so
you don't know. And the other part of it is
coaches need tape to coach, so the elite coaches can
take what their guys have done in a game and
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that game film and coach them to take them to
a level that lesser coaches cannot.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We're two weeks in passing touchdowns are way down, way down.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Why well, I think it's part of the reason you're
seeing everybody running the ball so well. It has really
become the thing in the NFL, and its started, you know,
many many years ago. But if there was always an argument,
you know, everybody says, oh, you got to.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Run the ball to win game. You got to run
the ball.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Almost every defensive coordinator I've talked to you go, I
don't give it, damn how many yards they run for.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
They're not going to beat me running for one hundred
and fifty yards. They're going to beat me.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Because they had three plays that went for fifty over
my head. And that's that's really where the game has evolved.
So now because of Mahomes and we saw everybody went
to the two deep safeties and they're just sitting there.
And so now these safeties are getting a little bit better,
and the slot players in particular are getting better at
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sort of playing that wide receiver screen, coming back in
and supporting the run game. The safeties know how to
get up and down, but it's really hard to get
a ball over the top of these defenses anymore. So
you don't get cheap points, you don't get fast points
the way that you did. And you know, so really
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the game is always the ebb and flow of it.
Right now, that ebb or flow or whatever it is
is the run game. And you're seeing these guys look
spectacular running the ball, it's because they don't have enough
guys to stop it in the box.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I've been saying for years. I don't know why somebody
doesn't be counterintuitive and say we're going to build our
team that you have to stop us, that we're not
going to be like every other team. Everybody has, you know,
fast edge rushers, your defensive players are a little smaller.
Everybody wants the passing game. What if we just do
what Jim Harbaugh is doing with the Chargers. We're gonna
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have a great offensive line. We're going to run the ball,
control the clock, and we're going to put pressure on
you to score points. I maybe we're seeing that, maybe
this is an aberration, but I would I would have
an offense that was different. I wouldn't try. We can't
be the Chiefs, so don't try to be the Chiefs.
Be something that can beat the Chiefs differently.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, I the opening statement that you made there, I
am a thousand percent on board. If you put me
in charge of any football team tomorrow, I would start
scouting offensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
That's I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I watched I watched Atlanta, I watched Philadelphia. You watch
the interior bree for Kansas City, you want. I mean
when quarterbacks Jalen Hurts sat in the pocket a few
times in that game the other night. And I know
Atlanta didn't draft an edge player. Maybe they should, maybe
they shouldn't, But I'm just watching Jalen just stand there,
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you know, And you've got NFL caliber receivers out there
running around and a bunch of defensive backs trying to
figure out which way they're going, and then you've got
a quarterback that can take off and run out of
that fore man rush, and we already talked about the
gaps and a four man rush and what they can do.
So yeah, I mean, you give these guys the ability
to run the ball with a great offensive line and
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that kind of pass protection. I don't know how defensively
you stop that. I just don't, and I don't think
many teams do. Now, it may be methodical because you're
going to run the ball, but then you add in
that element of a running quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I mean it almost seems unfair.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I mean there are times you go, if you're playing defense, like, coach,
what do you want me to do?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, I mean to come on, what do you
want me to do?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
There's I can't rpo, you know, so now I got
to play the run game. And then I got to
drop back underneath this thing. And if I do, he
hands it off, and if he doesn't hand it off,
the quarterback keeps it. You know, it takes. The one
negative about that approach is it takes so long. Ten
plays in the NFL, they're gonna throw at least one
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flag for holding.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's like when you return kickoffs. I'm not sure I
would ever return kickoffs because one in three year is
going to have a holding call and you're going to
be back inside your own twenty yard line, right, So
all those things come into play, and that's part of
the strategy. But it's it's fun to watch how this
game goes. I can remember back in the day when
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everybody was playing zone defense and then they started playing
mand a man and then Dan Mano went out and
got his two great receivers and I was like, oh,
forget that. We can't bump around those three guys, you know,
So I just it just always changes, it always does,
you know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I don't know if you ever heard this. Came up
with an idea that offensive and defensive linemen have to
wear mittens so they can't hold.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
What do you think like those things?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
But the yeah, you can't you can't hold?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
All right? Can I can I take it the opposite direction?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think holding should be at most the five yard penalty. Like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Why don't we make it legal?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Why don't we make it legal?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Can you imagine how much fun it would be if
offensive lineman could tackle defensive linemen?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
So what's the entire point of the game.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
The entire point of the game is we want more
points and we want quarterbacks alive.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Right, if you said, what.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Are the two most important things that the NFL does
in all their rules and all the different things protect
the quarterback? Because there's when you've got a third string
quarterback in December going against a second string quarterback on
Sunday night football. It's not a whole lot of fun. Right,
So we're trying to protect the quarterbacks, right, and so
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what better way to do that then to allow holding,
or if they do hold, it's only a five yard penalty,
so that it's not second and twenty and you know,
warm up the punt team. You know, let's keep alive
the possibility that they can still convert that in a
ten yard penalty for what for protecting the quarterback?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I mean, come on.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And then the other thing that's come up now is
they're penalizing the heck out of those tackles for taking
a half step off the ball. Okay, that's okay if
that's what you guys want to enforce, But what's going
to happen More quarterbacks are going to get hit. There's
a reason those tackles are standing in a half yard
off the ball so they can have a better chance
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against those monster edge players that are freaks of nature,
or when you watch this game anymore, and so, are
we trying to protect the quarterback? Well, then give him
that half step. Are we trying to protect the quarterback? Well,
let's let him hold a little bit, all right. If
we're trying to protect the quarterback, well, even if they
do hold, it's only a five yard penalty.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
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with Mike Turrico. That'll be the Chiefs and the Falcons. Great.
See again, Chris, Thank you, good to see you, buddy.
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Speaker 4 (16:34):
Show.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Hey Otani stole his forty ninth base the season and
the Dodgers win over the Marlins. We'll talk to Dave Roberts,
the Dodger manager. Coming up tomorrow, Jeff Passen covers the
national Pastime for the Mothership joins us on the program.
What if Otawni finishes forty nine and forty nine.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And he will still have one of the most remarkable
seasons we've ever seen, and it's every bit as good
as fifty to fifty to me, because we should not
be so obsessed with things that end in zero. It
makes no difference fifty to fifty, fifty one to fifty one,
forty nine, forty nine.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Who cares.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's awesome regardless of what it is. And to me, Dan,
that's what we need to look at, just the breadth
of the accomplishment, not the specific number that he's landing on.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
In the end, I'm glad you agree with me. We
like realm numbers.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
For some stupid reason.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yea, it's no.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
I like this is as a big pet peeve of mine,
because I firmly believe the reason that pitchers throw less
now than they used to is because we have adopted
one hundred as the number that they can pitch to
until people start thinking.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Their arms are going to fall off. And why because
it has two zeros at the end? Is it special? No,
it's It's one of our ridiculous sporting culture traits that
I just want to get rid of, but I know
I never will because those zeros are just so attractive,
They're so pretty.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The chances for Otani to pitch in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, you talk with people in the Dodgers organization and
they are saying it is extremely unlikely. We have gone
from it's not going to happen to it's extremely unlikely.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And yet I had.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
A scout who reached out to me yesterday and sent
me a couple of videos and it was a Shoho
Tani throwing and in one video he had a splitter
grip and in another video he had a slider grip,
And he said, you know, this whole time, I've thought
it was kind of a long shot, but then I
see him going out there and throwing with his full arsenal,
(18:48):
with a lot of intent. And generally speaking, if you're
doing that coming back off of Tommy John surgery or
off of elbow reconstruction surgery, then you know you're and
so with a purpose. So I still think that at
the end of the day, it probably does not happen.
But I'm a lot more on board with the notion
of it being a possibility than I was even a
(19:11):
week or two ago. And look, the Dodgers need something.
Gavin Stone is now out for the season. Tyler Glass
now is now out for the season. Bobby Miller has
not pitched well. Walker Rueler, even in good outing, walked
five guys Clayton Kershaw. You don't know what you're going
to get at this point, and that leaves you relying
on Jack Flaherty and yoshinob Yamamoto, who spent months on
(19:34):
the injured list. It's not a great situation for the Dodgers,
but I just have a hard time Dan believing that
they are going to put the most valuable player in
all of baseball at risk long term for something that
short term just may not pay the kind of dividends
that would be worth it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm talking to Jeff Pouson or the Mothership. You know,
when I saw your sweatshirt, I thought it said white
sucks u X.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
It says wave sucks, as in the wave.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
At I thought it was. I thought it was white
instead of socks white.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, No, I wouldn't, that's real. That would be rude,
I mean the usual. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Yeah, they haven't been great this year, and you know,
I'm glad that I went to Chicago and spent some
time with them, actually, because the genesis behind that story was, Okay,
if the worst team in baseball history is going to exist.
I kind of want to see what it's like there
and want to see just how I guess depressing it
(20:43):
is for the players. And I'll be honest, man, when
I went there, it was not depressing.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
It was actually, in.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
A way a little bit heartening that these guys are
still trying and that they still care and that they
haven't given up in that just the the gravity of
what they're dealing with right now, which is being the
losingest team in the history of a game that goes
back well over a century. You know, we're talking one
(21:11):
hundred and twenty five years almost dan in the modern
era of baseball, and they're going to be the worst
team to ever play. It's not the sort of thing
that has like waylaid them or taken them to a
place where they're fighting each other. I think they just
want to go out there and try and have some
spirit and try and salvage this thing, this giant mess,
(21:34):
as best they can. And I appreciate the effort. I
don't appreciate the game and the skill and the quality
of baseball that they're playing, but they're trying, and you.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Got to give them something.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
For that number of teams who can win the World
Series this year is what.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
They're going to be twelve playoff teams, and I think
twelve teams can win the World Series this year. This
is I've been covering baseball dan for twenty one years now.
I do not remember a postseason going into it where
I thought it was as wide open as this year is.
And that sort of started to manifest itself mid season
when suddenly I realized, like every team has had a
(22:18):
bad stretch and not just like a week or two off,
Like the Phillies were just like mediocre for a month,
and I think they're probably the best team. The Dodgers
just you know, they have a great record, but they're
bullpen questionable, they're starting pitching really questionable. Everybody out there
has a weakness, and so I'm not looking forward to
(22:42):
making playoff predictions this year because I think that this
is going to be like an anti chalk World Series.
And we're also coming off one in which the Texas
Rangers in the Arizona Diamondbacks, you know, like a ninety
weird team and like an eighty four win team faced
off the fewest buying wins in baseball history between two
World Series teams. And I could absolutely see something like
(23:06):
that happening again.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Good to talk to you. Thank you, always a pleasure, Dan,
Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let's bring in the Hall of Famer Al Michaels. He'll
be on the call with Kirk kurb Street tonight. It'll
be Amazon Prime kick off at eight fifteen Eastern only
on Prime Video. Al, I'm curious how much advice you
give to a analyst. Let's say Tom Brady was going
to be your analyst to start out Game one. How
much information advice would you have given him leading into
(24:50):
Game one?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Well, I actually have talked to Tom on a couple
of occasions, and you know, five dead seconds on television
may seem like a minute. So you don't have to
be a racehorse who can't wait to get out of
the gate. The replay will wait. Let the game come
to you. And I know a lot of people say
(25:12):
be yourself. That's just too much of a cliche, much
too general. But look, a guy like Tom, he's going
to know the game inside out. But it's a matter
of rhythm. It's getting in sync with Kevin Burkhart. I
think he's done extremely well the first two games. Listening
to the truck. It's easy for people to think, oh,
(25:33):
you go into the booth and just stew all of
your knowledge about football. But you know as well as
I do. You've got people in your ear, you've got
the crowd screaming. You know, a lot of things are
happening at once. I mean it's almost like you know,
the truck is air traffic control and you're trying to
land the plane and land it safely. So I think
(25:54):
Tom has done Look, I know he got a lot
of heat. I guess after the first game, I thought
it was pretty good coming out of the gate. I
thought he'd did a really good job. But take your time.
You don't have to race to be there, and pretty much,
I guess, in general terms, I would say, let the
game come to you. See you'll go in prepared like crazy,
and you'll want to get a lot of stuff in.
(26:16):
But if it's not happening, it's just wasteful. Let the
game come to you. You'll figure out where it is
and you'll be better for that.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I had said after week one, he's got to
learn TV. He knows football, But learning TV is really
tricky because, as you said, I could hear his producer
in his ear at one point and you freeze up
a little bit there just getting into that rhythm. You know,
it's it's kind of like surfing. You know, there's only
(26:43):
one Kelly Slater, but you can emulate that. You're it's
it's choppy, you could go under, You're going to get
back up, get back on the board again. And you
got to make it look easy, sound simple, sound comfortable.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I have always likened to the game is the melow.
You're providing the lyrics, so you want it to match.
You don't want it to be ca confidence. You want
to talk about what people are seeing, so you don't
want to go astray for they see pictures and then
you have to describe what you see and maybe get
(27:19):
into things that you see and they see, but you
know a lot more about So the key I think
is the rhythm and the balance and not trying to
do too much. And again, you know, like I say,
when guys come into the booth, I said, listen, five
seconds is nothing. It's going to seem like a minute.
It is only five seconds. Relax. You don't have to
(27:42):
talk over everything that's on the screen. You just don't.
And you just you know, make it and feel where
the game is too. When the game is great, you
ratcheting up a little bit. When the game is not
so great, Okay, you don't make too much of a
bad game because otherwise now you're just sounding like a shield.
And I think, you know, look, Tom will get better
(28:03):
and better. I think at the end of the day,
he's going to be one of the best ever.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm talking to Al Michaels. He'll be on the call
with Kirk kurb Street tonight. It's the Jets and the Patriots.
Did you guys get a chance to talk to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
We did.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Had a pretty fascinating conversation with him because I was
thinking about the fact that he is really excited. You know,
he's coming back from obviously the torn achilles. He's back.
Looked really good last week, leading that game winning drive
against Tennessee, and what he was saying the other day,
he loves the process. He loves Monday through Saturday, or
(28:38):
this week, Monday through Wednesday because the game is tonight.
He loves building the foundation, the building blocks. He says,
that to him is what really is the most exciting
part of the game. And then you see how it's
manifest on Sunday, and it's so much in contrast to
all of the years I had Brett Farr and I
covered a ton of games with Brett, and Brett was
(28:59):
the exact opposite. Brett at one point said I'll play
until I'm sixty if I only had to play the games.
He didn't like practice. Berett couldn't wait to get out
of practice. Brett would leave practice and go play nine
holes of golf if he could every day. Very much
in contrast. Now, look they're both great, they're both fantastic quarterbacks.
But it's interesting how the process is so different in
(29:21):
how they got to the game.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, I'm just curious with Rogers that do you think
he'd rather talk football or non football when you're having
a conversation both, You know, it's.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Kind of funny. He'll go not far astray, but I
mean he is Aaron is extremely intelligent. He is very
well read. He's had tons of experience, I mean going
around the world and just absorbing everything. Aaron wants to
absorb everything that's around him, It's not just football. And
(29:55):
he's very perceptive. He sees how people react to him.
I mean sometimes you'll say in the room with him,
and he'll he'll see you, and if you begin to, like, uh,
when your thoughts waiver, he'll go, hey, get up, you know,
wake up here, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
See he's he's very perceptive in that regard. He's he's
extremely well read, extremely smart. But I think you know,
Aaron is the kind of guy he'd like to talk
about you name it football, great, you want to talk
about philosophy, whatever, anything else, the current events, whatever. He
can go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Did you ever have a bad production meeting with somebody?
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Sure, Well, when you say bad, there are guys who
come in and they don't want to talk and they
don't want to say anything. And it's not that they're
angry with you or anything, because if they come in
and they agree to do the production meeting, you know
they have said okay, I'll sit in there. But a
lot of times, you know what's wasteful for us anyway
(30:52):
is you get nothing, And a lot of the young
guys are like that way. What I have found through
the years, though, is these players, now, you guys have
grown up in the television world. They've been getting interviews
since they were in high school. They know how to
do it, they understand it, and the pr people are
now talking to them, telling them, hey, here's what you
have to give, you know, and a lot of them
(31:13):
right now you know what it is. Then they're building
their brand. So they love being a part of this.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
The Hall of Fame we've been talking about the first
two hours here the new nominees for the Hall of
Fame or they're on the ballot. Now, are you a
stat guide for a Hall of Fame or just the
name recognition? You know it's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
The latter because you can look at numbers and make
numbers dance any way you want. But I look at
a guy, and for those of us who have been
around the game a long long time, and especially for
the voters, you can see that person. You can watch
him play, you can think about how he played, you
can think about how he played in big games. I
think that is more important because the statistics can can,
(32:00):
you know, make it seem as if, oh, this guy
was the greatest of all time, were not as great
as we thought he was. I don't buy into that.
I think I just try to look at the whole
body of his career and see if I think that
guy has Hall of Fame wording. Hey, by the way,
the one bad production meeting we did have Buddy Ryan
probably nineteen eighty seven or eighties with Philadelphia, and he
(32:24):
didn't like for some reason, he didn't he hated these
meetings and he called me a soccer announcer. I remember
into a soccer game in my life. Cantankeer is Buddy Ryan.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I had a bad run in with him too, al yeah, yeah.
He scolded me for asking about protecting Randall Cunningham this
season after Cunningham got sacked like sixty four times, and
I said, what did you do in the off season
to ensure that Randall won't get sacked as many times?
And he just blurted out, Oh, We're just gonna let
(32:57):
everybody sack him, and then he walked away. Hey, pr
guy Crafting brought him back. I asked the same question,
he answered it the same way. I was like, oh yeah, buddy,
and I didn't ever see eye to eye, but at
least he didn't Kevin Gilbride.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Me, Kevin, what did he What did he do to you?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
No, buddy punched Kevin? Oh correct, there you go, right.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Punched him on this on the sideline the Otani situation, Like,
what would fifty to fifty mean to you? I know,
we're kind of numbed to numbers now. It feels like
in all sports. Yeah, but fifty to fifty means? What
fifty to fifty?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I mean you talk about Otani home runs, stolen bases,
clutches and all that. I cannot you know, living in
LA I can't wait for him to pitch next year.
That's what I can't wait for. I mean, you forget
about this guy. I watched the pitch of a one
hit shutout against Detroit Land year, and then I think
(34:01):
too there was a first game of a doubleheader and
he hit two home runs in the other game. I mean,
he is the one off of one of they talked about,
you know, not since Babe Ruth, and they're right. I mean,
Babe Ruth could pitch, he could hit. We know what
his career was like. So I really can't wait for
Otani next year to you know, to get into that rotation.
He is as special as they've ever come?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Is Kirk does he bring his dog to every game?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
The dog is here. We had our meeting. The dog
is here. The dog, the dog. The dog was in
repose today, let's put it that way.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
And the dog.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
The dog even passed up on the bacon which wasn't
very good at the at the buffet this morning. But
Ben is Ben is here on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He is. Have you had somebody bring a pet into
the booth before to broadcast a game with?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
No? No, I've worked with a few pets, but I've
never had anybody. But you know, I'm not an animal person.
I've never had an animal in my life. I've never
had a goldfish man. But I kind of fell in love.
I mean, Ben is like a gorgeous Golden retriever and
he's you know, and Kirk has him off the leash
(35:14):
and he's just he's right there with him, and he's
so smart. We're in a hotel last year and we
get out of the elevator and Kirk and me and
Ben and there was a maze to get to Kirk's room,
you know, walk like a Grand Prix course in the
in the hallway, and then the dog found the room.
It was it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Are you considering getting a dog? I am not considering
getting a dog, but I you know what, but no,
But one day I would like to announce the Westminster
Kennel Dog Show. I think that would be a lot
of fun. That's one thing I haven't done. But I
got to say.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I'm not saying it's on my bucket list, but you
know what, would I say, there's a pooch, there's a pooch,
a pooch, a pooch, punt a pooch, a pooch, a
pooch in a mutt? I mean, what do I know?
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Dog bree Okay, would you do it tongue in cheek
like best in Show that mockumentary that they did Fred Willard.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
I'd have to me.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know, you name it, Paulie, you know the person
there who runs this time? Absolutely do mister Michaels, if
you would like me to. They're going to scoop you
up for a second.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I'll do it with Will Ferrell's coming on your show tomorrow, right, Yes,
I want to know what he thinks of my La
Kings this year. We really haven't. You know. He's a
huge hockey fan. I see him the parking lot of
after another loss. But I'm curious to know what he
thinks about my Kings.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Well, I'll I asked if Will wants to take part
in the Westminster Dog Show. Absolutely yeah, and we'll make
TV magic, That's what we do.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
And then I'll bring up a name that nobody will
ever remember, Rudd Weatherwax, who was the trainer for a Lassie. Okay,
there you go. I know I'm dating myself, but what
the hell one of the great names in history. I
think he just passed a Weatherwax. I think he just
passed away. I think wow, I think wow. Yeah. Uh,
(37:05):
have fun tonight, Al. The stuff you learned on this
show is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I got to start listening to it.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
I haven't seen you in a while. Loving it on
the show. Let's do it regularly. Come on, man, thank you,
thank you. That's Al Michaels
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