October 25, 2024 • 47 mins
Dan recaps last night's Ram/Vikings game. Should non-called penalties be eligible to be reviewed? Host of FOX Sports Radio's "2 Pros & a Cup of Joe," Brady Quinn previews the weekend in College Football. And Jason Garrett how he'd handle public criticism from Jerry Jones when he was the Cowboys Head Coach.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We made it to a Friday limping. I had the
under but we're here. It's our one on a meat Friday.
Morale is surprisingly high. Everybody in a good mood. Oh,
Seton's got his hand raised early. You're limping to the finish. Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I know you had shoulder surgery, but you don't have
to limp.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It is weird though, that I was limping and I
had surgery on my shoulder right and Todd goes, why
are you limping? I go, I have no idea. Maybe
it's my left side is a little top heavy than
my right side because I have all these stitches in there.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Strange equilibrium thing going on with you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Got the stitches out yesterday. Somebody didn't have. Somebody didn't
have bedside manner when I was getting my stitches out.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Well, you just want to pull them and go.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
You want to chit chat?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, I just have I don't know. You walk in.
I want to talk to him. I'm a personality, you know,
just trying to make their day. My questions about like
the twins, bullpen No. I wanted, you know, maybe her
to ask about Brownie James or something I don't know,
could have been about the rams sellers or buyers. Who
do you like in the World series. I didn't get anything.
(01:14):
I got crickets. When I went in. I said, hey,
he's your day. Fine, no return fire of how's your day,
none of that, all business. Yeah, take off your shirt
and I said, well, you should say please. It didn't.
It was bad. It was bad when I said you
(01:36):
should say please first, Yeah, I don't want to buy
me a drink.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So I did say that to her, and then she
said what And I said no, no, And I always
have to go back to this. You know, my wife says,
not everybody gets your sense of humor, and she goes, okay,
take off your shirt. So I took off my shirt
and then they snipped the sutures there and pretty much
sent me on my way.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
What a shooter responded with My husband says, don't make
jokes to me at work.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I would have been fine with that. I didn't want
her to think that I was hitting on her. I
was just trying to make conversations. First of all, I
don't want to be thinking about her taking these stitches out.
So I'm trying to divert our attention to something else.
This is all nerves really, yes, yeah, yeah, Like I'm
a little jittery in there, you know, so you know,
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shoulders a little banged up, so you're gonna go in there.
I can see you with you know, whatever you're taking
the stitches out with. I can see you with the scissors.
I was hit just trying to have a little little conversation,
little bedside manner in the uh, in the in the
room there. Okay, so here we go, come on, now,
(02:51):
let's get up.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Should have played this for I know.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Now starting adguard six foot two, doctor Tanjack, You're like, oh, alrighty,
it's meat Friday. In case you're wondering, here baked chicken
pot pie, very false, loaded mashed potatoes, fire pumpkin pie.
(03:18):
Who is it better than we do? No, buddy, buddy, Yes, yes,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
There are these moments where you I don't know, at
least for me, I start to understand that, like you know,
those progressive commercials where it's like becoming your parents and
like you just your home on and all of a
sudden you're making like the worst jokes ever. Yeah, that
I'm living in a period of time in my life
where I understand that I am becoming that person that
I'm just trying to like make my son laugh, but
(03:46):
really what I'm doing is embarrassing him.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You're like, oh, I'm that guy. Now, I am that dad.
Now I am zero apologies.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Like I used to be able to say, like something
was dope, and now you can't say that anymore because
now you're just the dad saying old words.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah you know that's cap.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, no, I can't say that either.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That's that's too old but also too new.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
No cap like that cap? No cap? Yeah? Who cap?
You got riz? Thank you? Yeah, Brady Quinn from Fox Sports.
A little later on, Jason Garrett NBC Sports will join
us tonight Yankees Dodgers Game one. It's Jack Flaherty against
Garrett Cole. Rams beat the Uh you have the Dolphins
(04:32):
on here, PAULI I do. Yeah. I think they beat
the Vikings. If they beat the Dolphins and the Vikings
in one night, that should count as two wins something.
But the Rams beat the Vikings last night. The Rams
now three and four, the Vikings jumped to five and two.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Not only put it, I put dolphins on there, I
spell dolphins wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You did. That's a double way you have dolphins. It's
pretty much the use though. Like I said, we're limping
towards the finish line here. Kind of ignore your typos
at this point.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
See he's get degrees. Do you want to start over again?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
We're cooking.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, okay, so eight seven seven three DP show email
address DP at Danpatrick dot com Twitter handle a TP
show did get the stitches out, so almost almost ready
to be at full strength?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Are you long tossing little bit?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, no, no, none of that. And she said, don't
do anything stupid. That's simulating a game. Yeah, I can't
do that. Scranton Wilkesbury.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
They're sending you down.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, I can't do the golf simulator. I can't. I
can't do anything nothing. But when the you know, the
doctor or the kind of assistant doctor, some said don't
do anything stupid, and I said, you're going to have
to define stupid. And she goes, let nothing, no heavy lifting,
none of that. Okay, we don't want to move forward.
Then we move back and I go, okay, got it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, I just went to the dentist two days ago
and they said, oh, you have to come back tomorrow
to like finish up some stuff. So it's like, all right,
no problem. So I went to the front desk to
make an appointment for the next day. She's like, okay,
you want to come back tomorrow. Yeah, she's looking it
looks like the earliest appointment here I have is two thirty.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I went.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And she looked at me, and I was like, two thirty.
You know, it sounds like a joke at the dentist
or whatever, and she went, so does that one work
for you? Oh my gosh, Well, okay, to be fair,
she's probably gotten that joke fifteen times, that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
One every very single day when she gives a too
thirty What time is your dentist appointment? Too? Thirty thirty?
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the rams they beat the Vikings. They're now three and four,
and it doesn't sound like look like they're going to
be sellers. And I think that was a real possibility
had they lost that game. Talk a little bit more
(07:15):
about that. Jaden Daniels Iffy for the showdown with the
Bears game Pitt goes to seven and oh as they
beat Syracuse. That was ugly early college football this weekend.
Notre Dame, Navy, Washington, Indiana, Illinois, Oregon, Missouri, Bama. You
got LSU A and M Penn State, Wisconsin, Texas, Vandy,
(07:38):
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three DP show. Coming into last night, the Rams looked
like they were going to be sellers. But you got
Pookinakop back and you got Cooper Cup and they're now
(08:01):
three and four. So the season far from over for
the Rams. Because the NFC West, it looked like it
was the Niners, and the Niners were going to run
away with this. That's not the case. Riddled with injuries, Cardinals.
There are a few pieces slash years away. Seattle the
only team in the division with a winning record. So
the Rams, all right, maybe they're not Super Bowl contenders,
(08:24):
but they're certainly contenders to make it back to the playoffs.
You got a great coach, got a great quarterback, you
got two really good wide receivers, good running back. And
becoming sellers at the trade deadline may be a little
premature for a team that has a lot of talent,
and you saw that last night. Now, there was a
play late in the game, under two minutes to go.
(08:44):
Sam Darnold gets sacked in the end zone for safety.
They're down eight, now they're down ten. There was a
face mask on the play and Al Michael's in kirk
kurb Street who were doing the game, and they described
it this way, he got a hold of something there.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
Let's see he got that face mask. He shirt did yep,
And they cannot review that, but he definitely got the
face mask right there.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, anytime you see a guy's head get.
Speaker 8 (09:15):
Spun backwards, something happened and he got away with one
right there.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
And blanking fans are going, what the hell.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
There's a lot of different things you can review.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
Yeah, there's Joanes Jones saying, hey man, you gotta call that, mister.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
How about what the hell from al late lad into
the evening? So up by eight? Now they're up by
ten and no more drama left in the game. This
is what I don't understand, if I'm to listen and
believe what the NFL says with their officials. You have
an official who was looking at the line, the line
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play offensive certainly defensive line, and then you have a
referee who's looking at the quarterback. How does one of
those two not see a lineman grabbing Sam Darnold's face
mask or just the body language of how he contorted back.
And the official whose job is to watch the quarterback,
(10:14):
how do you miss that? You can't review it, and
it was an obvious face mask. Now, granted, if they're
down nine as opposed to eight, we're probably not up
in arms about this, but you do have a chance.
I don't think they had time any timeouts left, and
they had to go eighty yards and get a two
point conversion. We know all of that, but you're watching
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that and it's a standalone game and they missed it.
Not reviewable. Now, I wondered, since it was a scoring play,
is there a loophole that it's a scoring play even
though it's a safety, but there would have been a
penalty on the play. From what I'm told, you can't
review that. That's not the loophole. It's a score. All
(11:00):
scoring plays are reviewed, but you can't review a scoring
play like that because then you'd have to call a
penalty and you can't do that, so I've been told.
But I thought there might be a loophole where you go, well,
that's a scoring play. I mean, they did score two,
but you can't add a flag to a play. I thought,
(11:20):
oh man, this is going to be genius tomorrow on
the show. And then I came in and then the
Danez shot me down. They're like, no, you can't add
a flag, and I'm like, okay, fair enough, But this
is one of those moments where we see it, it's
right in front of us, and then the officials are like,
I guess we missed it. I don't know if anything
to do with face mask is going to be reviewable.
(11:43):
I don't think everything should be reviewed, but I think
there are certain things that in certain situations. Now I
don't know under two minutes to go? Can you review
something challenge flag, anything like that, something that's egregious like that.
It does have a big impact on the outcome of
the game. I thought maybe this is something. theF all
(12:06):
it takes is a moment, a standalone moment. That's when
the NFL changes things when somebody gets hurt or how
they get hurt, or a scoring play. Hey, we're going
to review push tush. We're going to review all of
these things. That's what it takes. They never go, you
know what what happens. If this happens, it's always that happened.
Now they react to it. I don't know if they
(12:27):
change next year where they go, Hey, any face mask
or questionable face mask penalties, We're going to make those reviewable.
I don't want everything reviewed, but given gambling, I think
you got to be careful. You know, you got to
air to the side of We did everything we could
(12:49):
do to look at this, investigate this to get the
call right. But I don't want everything under review, Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Social media last night had a lot of reaction like this.
People thought that NFL has this sky judge system in
place for just this type of situation. A tight game
situation with a clearly missed call, and they called down
to the officials before and a lot of people think
that that's a part of the NFL. While you say
rightly that they can't review this play. It does seem
in the past two years there's been a little sky
(13:18):
Judge New York call down fix things movement and why
didn't happen here? That was a lot of people on
social media last night.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Here's Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coach.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
What did you think of the non call on the
parent face mask therapy.
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Yeah, it looked like you got a pretty good amount
of face mask there. Not going to get into the
call or no call and all that stuff. It's just
I told our team officiating and all that stuff. For
us to talk about that, for us to seek comfort
in that is not how we're going to respond to this.
It's just not going to happen. And I'm going to
do the same thing right now.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I really don't have a comment on whether it.
Speaker 10 (13:56):
Was a It looked like you got a piece of
the face mask, but they didn't think so.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Chile didn't throw the flag.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, he doesn't want to get fined there you don't.
You don't have to necessarily read between the lines. You
know exactly what he's saying here. When Stafford Williams, they're
running back, Cooper Cup, Pukainakua have all been in the lineup.
The Rams are seven and three in average, nearly twenty
eight points per game and nearly four hundred yards of
offense per game. That's where you if they stay healthy,
(14:25):
they can win this division. I thought they were a
playoff team when the season started. You have injuries. Everybody
has injuries. Now you got guys getting healthy. I know
there was talk about Cooper Cup being traded. He could
still be traded, but from what I was told, my
source said if they lost that game last night, then
Cooper Cup was probably going to be dealt. I mean,
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that's a very fine line here because they're a game back.
Seattle's leading the division, the Niners are banged up, Arizona
probably not going anywhere. I think Seattle's are really good team,
but you still have a chance. It's hard to be
a seller when you're that close to maybe winning the division.
(15:08):
But we saw that with the Rams last night. You
got a great coach. Stafford was wonderful last night. Nikua
and Cooper Cup awesome when they're healthy and obviously dangerous.
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Speaker 2 (15:32):
He's Brady Quinn, Fox College football Analyst, former Notre Dame quarterback,
former Cleveland Brown quarterback. Have the Browns reached out to you,
Brady about playing for them again?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
No, they have not, But look, I'm excited for a
couple of reasons. Obviously, what happened to Deshaun is awful,
and even worse obviously the reaction from the crowd, But
it does provide an opportunity to see what Jamis Winston
can do. And I am one of the big Jameis
Winston fans. I just love everything he brings to a team,
as far as everything he does as a leader and
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how he communicates.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But also I think he can play.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I was shocked teams didn't try to trade for him
before the season started, because there were some places I
thought he would be a better quarterback than the situation
they had going in the season. So he gets his shot,
his opportunity. We saw what this team did last year
with backup quarterbacks still making the playoffs, so hopefully he
can make a run for my Brownies. But also, Ken
Dorsey call him plays. I was with Ken for a
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couple of years and he's one of the better offensive
minds that I'd been around as a player that's now
turned into a coach.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
So I'm excited for his opportunity.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Would you rather have Joe Flacco or Jamis Winston with
the Cleveland Browns?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Probably Jamis, and I mean, obviously it's a hypothetical that's
not possible right now. Now, if we went back to
the beginning of the season, it would be hard not
to go with Flaco based on what he did for
the Browns last year. But look, we had to play
against that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know, Joe's Jose. Heck of a player.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
There's a reason why I still play and still able
to do it at a high level. But I would
I mean, look, Jamis is the guy for right now,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Who will be the starting quarterback for the Browns next year?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I think it will still be de Shaun Watson.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Okay, now that's pending that he's able to come back
from the injury and rehab and be ready to go
in time. If that's not the case, clearly it could
be Jamis, could be someone else, depending on how this
this year goes. I guess for Jamis, but pending that
he's healthy enough to come back, I just think the
contract straps Cleveland into the situation for at least another year.
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I think the other unfortunate part was that was probably
one of his better games before he got injured. So
that's disappointed to.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
See Brady Quinn and the Big noon kickoff crew in Columbus.
It's Ohio State hosting Nebraska pregame show on Fox Airs
every Saturday starting at ten a m. Eastern. You got
a good handle on Ohio State, I.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Think so, although a couple of weeks ago when they
lost to Oregon, that game was a bit surprising to me.
I thought watching both teams all year, Ohio State was
the much better team, and when it came down to it, Oregon,
you know, was able to get Evan Stewart involved. I
think everyone who didn't know who that was probably does
now that follows college football and they'll see when people
start talking about the draft when he's draft eligible and
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ready to go with the speed that he has the
big playability and obviously Dylan Gabriel too, I think helped
himself out in his draft stock. But Oregon didn't look
like that coming into the game.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
So that was a huge statement. I think for.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Them before Ohio State, it's diagnosing why have they struggled
so bad on defense to stop the run in these
big games, to get more pressure on opposing quarterbacks. They've
got the talent, they've got the ability, is it, scheme
is it? Some of these guys they don't have enough
depth to rotate them out and put fresher guys in
to allow JT. Twey Moloile and Jack Sawyer and guys
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like that to go out for the quarterback. I think
over the bye week they had a lot of questions
to answer on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Give me the game that you're just not quite shure
or that the team that's supposed to win is going
to win.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Oh, that's a tough one for this week, I guess.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Look, I'll start off by talking about Notre Dame, and
in part because I think I go back to the
Northern Illinois loss and I feel like when you have
a game like that, every game after that, you're kind
of like, I don't know they should win. I think
they're gonna win handily. I think the passing game is
gonna look better this week than it ever has. But
this is a Navy team that's undefeated, and I know
they haven't played the most difficult schedule. But Blake Horva
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after their quarterback, who also is a Columbus product, by
the way, as the Hilio Derby kid. I always try
to follow those quarterbacks from areas where I'm from, and
he's done a phenomenal job for him this year. And
I think defensively too, there'll be some wrinkles for him.
So that's one game that concerns me because Dan those
these games, you know, when you play against a triple
option or option style team, they start practicing back in
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the spring for this, this training camp, even the bye week,
you'll start moplementing some of the option plays just to
get your defense ready for it, because it's so tough
to prepare for everything you're going to face in just
a week's time. And I know people at home are like,
come on, this should never happen. Well, like they're underfeeding
right now. Is the first team both teams Army and
Navy have been underfeed and since like nineteen twenty six.
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So let's give a lot of those young men credit
and the coaching staffs because they don't have an NIL fund.
It's not like they're turning rosters over the grants for
portal all right. They're doing it the old school way
with these old school offenses. That it's it's awesome to
see them having so much success in this era of
college football.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Okay, but explain this to me, and I know it's
probably like a baseball hitter facing a knuckleballer. You're not
going to see it very often. You got to kind
of get adjusted to it, and then you don't see
it again the rest of the season. You're facing Army
and you're facing Navy. And from the when we watch this,
it just looks like it's slight a hand, Like there's
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three or four different people in a small area who
could all end up with the ball and it's really
just kind of slight of hand here. But for the defense,
why is it so difficult to be able to kind of,
I don't know, take this into perspective of who's got
the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Because we're asking eighteen to twenty two year olds to
be disciplined, right, that's the reality of what it is.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
It's they're gonna come down to.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
There's gonna be a read off of one guy three
separate times throughout a play when you're talking about the
triple option, and at some point you're betting that either
your guy in space is better than that guy, or
that guy who's reading is gonna make mistake, or someone
else is gonna make a mistake. And that's what it
comes down to. And I think, look, it puts pressure
on offenses. I remember when we play maybe back in
the day, you got like nine possessions and so you
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better score because they're gonna score, and they're gonna eat
up the clock, and they're gonna go for fourth downs,
like they're not afraid when it's fourth and three to
go for it because they understand like what's at stake
if they don't get it, and so they're much more
aggressive in that sense. So it put puts pressure on
every one to be disciplined. They always hear I discipline
well more so than ever versus option teams like this,
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and also to their credit, they're so good at running
these plays like I can recall a time when I
was watching because like, this is an offense that you
don't see very often, so you want to watch those
guys do it. And I swear to god, it looked
like their quarterback back when I was playing, was going
on like it was like an a limbo, like he
was going under the bar and he was his back
was almost touching the ground.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
He still pitched the ball off to the pitch man,
and I thought.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Myself, like, we did everything right, but we couldn't stop
that particular play.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
So it just comes down to discipline. Again.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
It's par for eighteen and twenty three year olds to
be disciplined sometimes.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, if it comes down to this, let's say, Army
or Navy are there for that twelfth spot or Illinois?
Let's say, is it like we're putting on a TV
show here? The twelve team playoff is a team. It
is a TV show, whether you want to agree to
it or not. But it's about entertainment. It's about storylines
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as well. Can you see where the committee would lean
towards one of the military academies.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I think if it falls within the guidelines, right, if
they happen to be the highest rank that comes from
a group of five as far as far as a
conference champ, and they also happen to be undefeated. I do
think it's going to take a team that's undefeated, Like
I kind of thought Liberty might have a shot before
the season. Obviously, their hopes went down the drain in
dramatic fashion earlier this week, so they won't be.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
A part of that.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
But I think it's going to take either Navy or
Army in this case, to be undefeated and be the
conference champ of the AC when it's all said and done.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I think that's the only way they can get in.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
And obviously these two teams score offers is one another,
so we know that's not going to be a possibility
for one of them. But I think in that scenario,
I personally would love to see it. You know, I've
gotten to know coach Mankin an Army over the years
with the work my foundation does, and when you think
about what these young men are signing up for after
college and all that, there's a much bigger picture here,
So I think it'd be fascinating to see. I think
(23:58):
it'd be you know, fine plays to the advantage, though
of the teams they're playing in the playoff because they've
got a little additional time to break down and prepare,
you know, for that scheme. But during the course of
regular season a little different obviously. But I'd love to
see it, and I won't say I hope it happens,
but it would be fun to watch and see how
that would play out.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
What if al Obama loses to Missouri, I.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Think they're out of the playoff probably.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I mean, if you're gonna get the best bigger than that,
I don't I guess I don't want to react too much.
In year one under Kiln de bor, I mean he's
got big shoes to fill. That's stating the obvious. But
go back to Nick Saban's early time too at Alabama.
I mean he didn't have it all together in year
one either.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, but he was taking over a bad program. Kaylin
de Boor's walking into a national championship caliber monster.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And I think the difference there is like the expectations, right,
And so you tell me what's harder. Is it easier
to take something that's completely knocked down to rebuild or
is it easier to then take a whole that's per
scene that's beautiful, but you want to make some tweaks
and changes that are pretty significant to that house. Go
at a contract, they'll probably tell you're going to charge
you more for that remodel as opposed to just knocking
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it down and building it up clean. And I think
that's kind of the case too sometimes with coaches when
they take over a program, Like there was no expectation
when theyck Sabman first got there. I mean, yes, he
had won previously at LSU, so that was the expectation.
And obviously, you know, getting to the NFL and coming
back to college, but the reality is, you know, the
expectation was different. You know now for Alabama, they expect
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to go win SEC championships and go play for national championships.
So it's hard to you know, keep up to that
standard while you're still trying to put your fingerprints on
how you're gonna make it a little bit different or
your style, Like you can't ask Kaitlyn to boor to
walk in and be exactly not Saban Like they know
he's not that guy. He's got to be his own
guy and is going to lead in his own win.
It might take a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Time when you look at NIL, We're hearing more coaches.
Tony Bennett, Virginia decides to retire. Gino Oriema was railing
about this. Saban steps out, Jay Wright steps down. We're
starting to see like the impact this is going to
have on the coaching community, and these are big names
who were stepping down. I'm just curious, really what the
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coaching lifespan is it is going to be with these
guys who are getting into it now. Is it a
young man's game, you know, and not necessarily you know,
the older school guys who want to put up with this.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It's a hard question to answer because I think every
every university, every situation is different. I think those that
are more prepared the transition into what the Nile world
has brought us, and that's obviously we can call it
like it's not pay for play, but it is, and
it's more of a professional organization is really what it's
evolving into. And I think the universities that have set
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themselves up to be able to succeed, clearly they have
head coaches that aren't at burdened by all of this.
I think the universities that struggle to do it when
you look at what these head coaches are asked to do,
I mean, on top of their own roster evaluation and
evaluating high school recruits. Now it's evaluating potential players who
are in the portal or potential players elsewhere he might
be in the portal. It's fundraising not just for the university,
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but now for your NIO and your collective. It's all
these different hats they have to wear, and it's extremely
stressful for these guys. I mean, you look at Chip
Kelly for example, not to get away from Tony Bennet
and basketball, but he leaves a head coaching job and
a Power five school that's moving to the Big Ten
to come be an offensive coordinator because he just wants
to coach. That to me was the biggest statement that
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was made this entire offseason, and I think that's kind
of where things are at now. And if you look
at Ryan Day and how he's transitioned to this more
of CEO as a head coach, I think that's really
what the future of college football head coaching is going
to look like. It's going to look like a guy
who's really overseeing the entire organization and not just one
side of the football or overseeing his staff and his players.
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It's going to have a lot more involvement in the
business affairs of what that's sch, what that team's doing.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It's kind of quiet with Dion and Colorado considering how
loud it was last year. But they're playing well. Doesn't
feel like, you know, all the pregame shows are going
to Colorado. You know, celebrities are going.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It just kind of like this seems like it's a
good thing for Colorado and for Dion.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Is Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
But I think there's also still there's still some celebrities going.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
There's still waves and all that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I mean when they go places like you know, because
of I think what they built and because of the reputation.
You know, there's a lot more excitement around those games
and people want to beat them. Like I think as
much as there are CU fans who jumped on the
bandwagon or prime fans or should door Travis Hunter, there's
also those people who probably want to see them lose because.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Of how they do it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So, I mean, the attention is still there, I think
as far as like the newness of it and the
style and everything else. Yeah, that ebbs and flows, and
you got to continue to keep following the story of
college football. But I think the best thing about what
you set is there's not as much noise, but there's
still very much in it. I mean, the Big Twelve
is as wide open as any Shador's playing like a
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guy who might be the first overall pick, and in
my opinion, if he wins the Big Twelve and they're
playing the College Football Playoff, you know, maybe you're looking
at him saying he's got a shot to win the
Heisman as well, and Travis Hunter very much as if
he continues to play both ways and put up stats,
he might too. So I think it actually is a
bigger statement the fact that there's still very much in
the hunt, and yet you're not hearing as much noise.
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Now it's about the walk. It's not all the talk
like some people who said a year.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Ago, Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Though, when they lose
Travis Hunter and they lose Shador, then then we're gonna
see pri I'm gonna have to get out on the road,
I think, and do a little more recruiting. When you
know you don't have your son there as your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Maybe you know, we don't know that he's got his
own sackley On style of doing it, and you know,
maybe he feels like that's what's most efficient.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, but those are two of the top five to
ten players in the drect that he has.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Right, But are you going to turn down an invitation
from Deon Sanders to fly out to Colorado and visit
with him? Like, are you to be stubborn about it
and say no, no, no, we want him to come to
our house. Like if theoretically we think about it, he
can visit with more recruits, more prospects by staying in
one place as opposed to traveling everywhere.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
And look, let's just be real.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
There's not many people who can do that, but he
can because he is prime. Because people are sitting there saying, yeah,
I'll go take that visit, like I'll go out to
the mountains and check that out and go.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Hang out with Deon Sanders out there.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
So that does play to his advantage, There's no doubt
about it because of his career, in particular, the impact
has on the parents.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I mean, DP think about us.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I mean I was at this kind of tail end
obviously as like a young kid remembering how amazing Dion was.
No matter where he you know where he was and
the two sport athlete he was. But the parents remember
more than anything else, Like half the time, even if
the kid's not interested in the parents are going like
you're going out to Border Colorado.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Could he have talked to you out of going to
Notre Dame?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Have you talked to Dion?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I mean he's one of the most perspassive people ever,
So yeah. I mean he's I think too when you
look at and right, wrong or indifferent. I mean the
way he's put an offense around that highlight chador or
in particular the quarterback position, that'd be attractive to any
quarterback who's looking at trying to make a name for
themselves and trying to you know, whether it's win a
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conference championship, national championship, and trying to win a Heisman
like that sells that. That works in this world of
college football with all the seven on seven leagues everything else,
that sells hard.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Good to talk to you again. Have fun this weekend.
Thanks Brady, Hey Dan, thanks for having me a part
of Meat Fridays. You're welcome. You're welcome to come. You
got to come to the home office. I mean, I'm Dion,
you got to come in here if you want to
experience meat Friday.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I'm gonna have some steak tonight though, so hopefully you
do it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It's not the same, it's not the same. It's about teamwork,
it's about getting together. It's about liking each other. Something
that didn't happen at Notre Dame maybe doesn't happen on Fox.
We gotta wait, I gotta wait Fox.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
I can attest him. We had last.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay, all right, so did somebody get after it a
little bit?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I don't know how early, Matt Leonard or Marking. I'll
leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Tell Liner and he's not at USC anymore.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I try to, but you know, he's out there.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He's just he's still the West Coast guy trying to
catch some waves. He's kind of the South Bay bro.
He's out there in the South Bay.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Lad, he's catching waves in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Well not here.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I mean, I'm not here, but he's probably getting right
off the plane and like board shorts and.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
What has changed, so he's probably adapting to that very well.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Thank you, Brady Brady Quinn, Fox Sports Analyst, Big Noon Kickoff,
also two pros and a Cup of Joe the show
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Speaker 1 (32:56):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio WAPP.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Jason Garrett Football Night in America Analyst, and he'll be
there for the Cowboys and the Niners kick off eight
twenty eastern on NBC in Peacock. Jason, good to have
you back. Let me ask you the whole question. I'll
give you Justin Jefferson or I'm gonna give you Pooka
Nakua and Cooper Cup. So you can either take the
two Rams wide receivers or Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
I take Justin Jefferson really, and I absolutely love those
other two guys. I mean, I think they're incredible in
an amazing combination. But Justin Jefferson to me, is one
of these game changing cornerstone players that you can build
your franchise around for ten more years. So when you
have those guys, you keep them and you're filling around them.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Okay, who does he remind you of?
Speaker 9 (33:57):
You know, he doesn't remind me of many people in
terms of an impact. It's not quite Randy Moss for me,
But it's moving in that direction. You know what's interesting
about him is evaluating him coming out of school. He
played in the slot at LSU, and so one of
the questions was, hey, okay, why are they playing him
in the slot? Why is he inside? Is he does
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not run well enough outside? He's not athletic enough. Is
he one of these savvy guys? And he's all of
that stuff, But he's got all the other stuff too.
So I just think he's an elite, elite, game changing player.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
It feels like there's been this rebirth with Matthew Stafford
after he got to the Rams and won the Super Bowl.
I think people realized, or maybe rerealized, just how good
he is or has been. Do you get that feeling
that all of a sudden he was like Matthew Stafford
with the Lions. Oh he's good, but the team's not
any good. Now, all of a sudden, you got these
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young quarterbacks c J. Stroud, Caleb Williams, they're talking about
looking up to Matthew Stafford. How did that happen?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Well, anybody who's watched football closely for a long time
realizes how good this guy has been. And that's easy
to say now, But I mean, if you study quarterback
play and you study offensive football, what he did for
all those years in Detroit was amazing.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
And you said it.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
It was in a rough environment, the team wasn't very good,
but if you watched him play, he was really good.
And we had a couple experiences playing against him where
like damn, I mean at Stafford again, you know, just
doing some ridiculous thing against us, and he's a rare
passer of the football. I'm actually working on a project
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with NFL Films right now and the evolution of throwing
and how it's changed since Joe Namath to today. And
we've studied a lot of different guys and talked to
a lot of different guys and one of the questions
that's come out of it is, Okay, is there an
ideal throwing motion? And so we've asked a lot of
people that we've studied different guys to say who's got
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the best throwing motion? And in the midst of doing this,
I went to a Rams practice in the spring one
of their OTAs I'm standing on the sidelines, I'm like
lightning ball.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
I think it might be Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
He's just ridiculous how talented he is throwing it. But
like with a lot of guys, what separates him from
me is the intangibles.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
His toughness is rare.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But let me go back to the form, the actual,
not the quarterback himself, but just the art of throwing
a football. You're saying, Matthew Stafford is going to be
high up on that list.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Whip.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, who else would be up there that might surprise me.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Over time?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Like Warren Moon to me through the prettiest deep ball
that I ever saw.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Yeah, we used to.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
We used to be in warm ups and war movie
throwing pat and go and be like, ah, I don't
know that anybody throws it better than that guy.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So you're watching warm ups of Warren Moon while you're
facing him.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Yeah, it's a great question. And I've been studying this
and talking about it my whole life. The guy that
I play with for eight years in Dallas, to me,
is one of the most underappreciated passers of all time,
and that's Troy Aikman.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
I mean, he was just rare throwing the ball, and
he doesn't have.
Speaker 9 (37:12):
The gaudy statistics because of how we played, but he
was incredible. Anybody who watched him closely day after day.
He just could throw any ball, and he was so
consistent and accurate, catchable balls, unbelievable. You know, Marino, Elway,
the obvious ones. Those guys were just different than everybody else.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But he's there a quarterback though, who wasn't good but
had an unbelievable throwing motion.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Oh, there are.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Tons of those guys like George, Jeff George had He
could throw a beautiful deep ball.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
Jeff George could throw a beautiful any ball. I mean,
he was a rare passer, you know. Unfortunately he wasn't
as good a quarterback as he was a passer.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
You know, those other guys that I'm.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Talking about, Elway, Marino, they had everything and then they
had this eliteness about them when they throw the ball.
And you know, Brett Favre incredible, like I said, Troy Aikman,
from that era. The guy's playing now. I mean the
way Stafford throws the ball, the way Josh Allen throws
the ball. You know, it's pretty special. It's been interesting
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the study that we've done, and we've talked to a
lot of people, Tom House being one of them, and
you know, sometimes you get caught up in the rareness
of how hard they throw it and how far they
throw it and all of that. And he kept coming
back to guys both in baseball and football that were
had great control too, And I asked him, who's got
the ideal pitching motion? He spent his whole life studying pitchers,
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and he said it's Greg Maddox, And I said, really,
I was shocked by that, because Maddox doesn't strike you
as a guy who's got this overwhelming physical tools. But
he said he just was incredible with how he locate
the ball on a consistent basis. And he actually compared
Maddox to Drew Brees, very similar players and how they.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Throw the ball.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, I was going to say, Joe Montana would have
been my comp for Greg Maddox.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
I think that's a great comp You can't go wrong there.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
But Montana kind of in that same category of a
guy that doesn't overwhelm you physically, but the precision and
the consistency is incredible. But it's been a really fun
project and I bring it up just to say Stafford's
high on that list.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
He's Jason Garrett and Football Night in America brings you
the Cowboys and the Niners. All right, you were in
this position. I know you hate being put back in
this position, but I'm gonna put you there. Jerry Jones
comes out and he's critical of the play calling by
Mike McCarthy. How does that help the process? Or you
have to go to a press conference and then answer
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for Jerry Jones? How difficult is that for Mike? How
difficult was that for you when you were there in Dallance.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
Well as Troy Aikman used to say, something's come with
the dinner, and so.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Ye, that comes with the dinner.
Speaker 9 (40:12):
And you know the media types they loved the idea
of hey, the owner said this, What.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Do you say is you know they love that wedge thing.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
And you know my approach was always you just try
to stay above it. You don't dive into the fray
too much. You know, everybody wants authenticity from head coaches.
They wanted to say what they want to say, but
that's not your job. Your job is to protect the
team and protect the organization first and foremost, so you
try not to delve into that too much. It obviously
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is not the ideal situation you want everybody to be aligned.
You don't want There's enough noise in the world anyway,
you don't want to contribute to it. So as much
as I try, what I tried to do is not
inflame it just try to pat it down and get
everybody thinking about something differently. How could Derrick Henry win
the MVP?
Speaker 7 (41:03):
Just keep handing on the ball. He's ridiculous, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
His fourth quarter stats like you can tell where the
defense gets tired. You don't want to take him on.
And all it takes is just because he doesn't have moves.
He's kind of like herschel Walker Kirs He didn't have
that shiftiness, but if he had a moment, he was gone.
And here's Derrick Henry doing that. It's just it feels
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like it's still and I don't know, are we going
to be committed to the run this season in the
NFL like league wide? Do you feel like there's more
of a commitment there? And then you're factoring in these
quarterbacks who are running as well well.
Speaker 9 (41:44):
I think if you look at the best offenses through time,
they're balanced and they run the ball. And I talk
about this every week on Sunday Night Football the quarterbacks
that have too much of a burden on them ultimately
fail because the league is too hard, the defenses are
too good. So if you drop back fifty times, you're
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going to lose. You might win this week, but you're
going to lose. And so you have to control the
line of scrimmage, you know, being able to run the football,
play action pass, all of that. That's when you have
success and you can sustain that success. So having a
commitment to it is big. And you know, I laugh
at the devaluation of running backs. And this is a
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sensitive topic for me because I played in Dallas for
eight years and we had EMITTT.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
Smith. We won three Super Bowls. The impact of EMMITTT.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Smith and the offensive line in the running game pervaded
the whole team. The quarterback, the receivers, the defense. Everybody
fed off of that. We're a physical team that controlled
the game. And then our best years in Dallas when
I was the coach to Marco Murray led the league
in rushing, Zeke Elliott led the league in rushing twice,
and all of a sudden, it's ironic that Tony Romo
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and Dak Prescott had their best years when we're doing that,
you know. So it just creates a comfortable environment for
the quarterback and for everybody else on the team. And
so if you can play that way, you're going to
have sustained success. And the best team to do that
when the Rams are rolling, they're running it and throwing it.
Forty nine ers running and throwing it. Vikings running it
and throwing it, and certainly the Ravens might be the
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best example of that this year. So keep giving the
big guy the ball.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, I'm all in on running. And I wondered if
we would see because you know, these defensive players they're
trying to get you know, smaller and quicker guys on defense. Now,
I just think if i'm I'm going to make you
adjust to me. We're going to run the ball, you
might be ready for everybody else in the NFL. And
you know who you're going to face with us. You've
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got to deal with our line, and we're going to
run the football. And I would make you, I would
have an advantage at least half of the games where
you had to adapt to me. I don't know why
somebody just doesn't go all in and say we're going
to run the football. And then we're going to pass
the football, not the other way around. Well, it's interesting
you say that.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
If you go back to Dallas's game a couple weeks
ago against Detroit, Detroit runs the ball eight of the
first ten snaps of the game. Detroit's built their team
the right way. They got great offensive linemen, they got
two big time runners, and that's where it starts. So
everybody talks about ben Jonson boy the trick, play to this,
to that. The other thing what they did early in
the game was Cowboys, let's get ready defend the run.
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We're gonna hit you right in the mouth. Now we're
gonna make you defend this run. And then everything else
came from that. They controlled the line of scrimmage. Now
the dropback game comes, the lives, the play action game,
the specials, all of that. So you're preaching to the
choir right now. I mean, you got the incense out
and you're throwing it on me because you know, this
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is what I believe, and that's how we built our
teams in Dallas. Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Travis, Frederick, Zeke Elliott,
that's how we wanted to play.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
If you were coaching the Dolphins. How would you handle
the two as situation?
Speaker 7 (44:57):
Hard for me to answer that from Afar.
Speaker 9 (44:59):
I'm not there with him every day, so I got
to be careful with this response.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
But uh Air on the.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Side of really really having caution about him as a person.
You know, ultimately, when you're coaching players, and I use
this word very deliberately, you love the guys. You ask
them a lot, and you you develop a relationship with
them that's so strong that you love them and you
care about them first and foremost, and so that has
to be line one with him, Like Tua, we care
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about you for the rest of your life. So we
better really all be on board on the medical evaluation
here before we put you back out there.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
But let's say he's clear though, Jason. Let's say he's
clear then, but do you do you change your past protection?
Are you changing your play calling because of his potential condition?
Speaker 9 (45:47):
Well, let me let me just finish what I said.
I got it, he's cleared. But let's ask that question
again and again and again and again before he goes
back out there, and we're all okay with it. You know,
family member, medical people, Toua himself, the whole deal Okay,
now we go do it.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
And I do think.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
You're extra careful and extra deliberate in how you call
the game. Wow, and you coach the heck out of them,
like I know they have on what you do when
the play breaks down and getting down and we're not
diving for first downs, we're not doing any of that.
But you get the ball out of your hand quickly.
They do that when you throw it down the field more.
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You better have extra protectors because that's first and foremost
with any quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
But particularly in this situation, are the Niners still contender?
Super Bowl contender?
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Even with all the injuries.
Speaker 9 (46:39):
Yeah, the seasons young, there's a lot of football to
be played. There's narratives that come out every Monday about
what's going to happen the rest of the year based
on what happened yesterday. But I have a lot of
faith in their in their coaches, a lot of faith
in their players. Obviously, they're banged up. The receiver situation
is real, but they're going to get some guys back,
and they're enough to adjust to the guys that they
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do have. The thing for me with them that has
always been so damn impressive, The last few years. I
feel like their defense was elite, elite and how it
disrupted the game and controlled the game. You couldn't make
an inch against them, and you wanted to throw if
you were hesitant at all, the ball is going to
get knocked out of your hand, and oh, by the way,
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fifty four is going to intercept another one and all
of that. I don't feel like they're quite there right now,
and I think for me with them, they have to
get themselves back to that place. Those elite players have
to be elite and extra elite to deal with some
of the issues that they have on the other side
of the ball. But I have a lot a lot
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of faith in their team and their coaches, and there's
a lot of football to be played.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
We'll be watching on Sunday night. Great to talk to you,
my best of the family. Thank you, Jason. I always
enjoy it at Jason Garrett Football Night in America.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We made it to a Friday limping. I had the
under but we're here. It's our one on a meat Friday.
Morale is surprisingly high. Everybody in a good mood. Oh,
Seton's got his hand raised early. You're limping to the finish. Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I know you had shoulder surgery, but you don't have
to limp.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It is weird though, that I was limping and I
had surgery on my shoulder right and Todd goes, why
are you limping? I go, I have no idea. Maybe
it's my left side is a little top heavy than
my right side because I have all these stitches in there.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Strange equilibrium thing going on with you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Got the stitches out yesterday. Somebody didn't have. Somebody didn't
have bedside manner when I was getting my stitches out.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Well, you just want to pull them and go.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
You want to chit chat?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, I just have I don't know. You walk in.
I want to talk to him. I'm a personality, you know,
just trying to make their day. My questions about like
the twins, bullpen No. I wanted, you know, maybe her
to ask about Brownie James or something I don't know,
could have been about the rams sellers or buyers. Who
do you like in the World series. I didn't get anything.
(01:14):
I got crickets. When I went in. I said, hey,
he's your day. Fine, no return fire of how's your day,
none of that, all business. Yeah, take off your shirt
and I said, well, you should say please. It didn't.
It was bad. It was bad when I said you
(01:36):
should say please first, Yeah, I don't want to buy
me a drink.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So I did say that to her, and then she
said what And I said no, no, And I always
have to go back to this. You know, my wife says,
not everybody gets your sense of humor, and she goes, okay,
take off your shirt. So I took off my shirt
and then they snipped the sutures there and pretty much
sent me on my way.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
What a shooter responded with My husband says, don't make
jokes to me at work.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I would have been fine with that. I didn't want
her to think that I was hitting on her. I
was just trying to make conversations. First of all, I
don't want to be thinking about her taking these stitches out.
So I'm trying to divert our attention to something else.
This is all nerves really, yes, yeah, yeah, Like I'm
a little jittery in there, you know, so you know,
(02:28):
shoulders a little banged up, so you're gonna go in there.
I can see you with you know, whatever you're taking
the stitches out with. I can see you with the scissors.
I was hit just trying to have a little little conversation,
little bedside manner in the uh, in the in the
room there. Okay, so here we go, come on, now,
(02:51):
let's get up.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Should have played this for I know.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Now starting adguard six foot two, doctor Tanjack, You're like, oh, alrighty,
it's meat Friday. In case you're wondering, here baked chicken
pot pie, very false, loaded mashed potatoes, fire pumpkin pie.
(03:18):
Who is it better than we do? No, buddy, buddy, Yes, yes,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
There are these moments where you I don't know, at
least for me, I start to understand that, like you know,
those progressive commercials where it's like becoming your parents and
like you just your home on and all of a
sudden you're making like the worst jokes ever. Yeah, that
I'm living in a period of time in my life
where I understand that I am becoming that person that
I'm just trying to like make my son laugh, but
(03:46):
really what I'm doing is embarrassing him.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You're like, oh, I'm that guy. Now, I am that dad.
Now I am zero apologies.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Like I used to be able to say, like something
was dope, and now you can't say that anymore because
now you're just the dad saying old words.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah you know that's cap.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, no, I can't say that either.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That's that's too old but also too new.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
No cap like that cap? No cap? Yeah? Who cap?
You got riz? Thank you? Yeah, Brady Quinn from Fox Sports.
A little later on, Jason Garrett NBC Sports will join
us tonight Yankees Dodgers Game one. It's Jack Flaherty against
Garrett Cole. Rams beat the Uh you have the Dolphins
(04:32):
on here, PAULI I do. Yeah. I think they beat
the Vikings. If they beat the Dolphins and the Vikings
in one night, that should count as two wins something.
But the Rams beat the Vikings last night. The Rams
now three and four, the Vikings jumped to five and two.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Not only put it, I put dolphins on there, I
spell dolphins wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You did. That's a double way you have dolphins. It's
pretty much the use though. Like I said, we're limping
towards the finish line here. Kind of ignore your typos
at this point.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
See he's get degrees. Do you want to start over again?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
We're cooking.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, okay, so eight seven seven three DP show email
address DP at Danpatrick dot com Twitter handle a TP
show did get the stitches out, so almost almost ready
to be at full strength?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Are you long tossing little bit?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, no, no, none of that. And she said, don't
do anything stupid. That's simulating a game. Yeah, I can't
do that. Scranton Wilkesbury.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
They're sending you down.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, I can't do the golf simulator. I can't. I
can't do anything nothing. But when the you know, the
doctor or the kind of assistant doctor, some said don't
do anything stupid, and I said, you're going to have
to define stupid. And she goes, let nothing, no heavy lifting,
none of that. Okay, we don't want to move forward.
Then we move back and I go, okay, got it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, I just went to the dentist two days ago
and they said, oh, you have to come back tomorrow
to like finish up some stuff. So it's like, all right,
no problem. So I went to the front desk to
make an appointment for the next day. She's like, okay,
you want to come back tomorrow. Yeah, she's looking it
looks like the earliest appointment here I have is two thirty.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I went.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
And she looked at me, and I was like, two thirty.
You know, it sounds like a joke at the dentist
or whatever, and she went, so does that one work
for you? Oh my gosh, Well, okay, to be fair,
she's probably gotten that joke fifteen times, that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
One every very single day when she gives a too
thirty What time is your dentist appointment? Too? Thirty thirty?
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the rams they beat the Vikings. They're now three and four,
and it doesn't sound like look like they're going to
be sellers. And I think that was a real possibility
had they lost that game. Talk a little bit more
(07:15):
about that. Jaden Daniels Iffy for the showdown with the
Bears game Pitt goes to seven and oh as they
beat Syracuse. That was ugly early college football this weekend.
Notre Dame, Navy, Washington, Indiana, Illinois, Oregon, Missouri, Bama. You
got LSU A and M Penn State, Wisconsin, Texas, Vandy,
(07:38):
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three DP show. Coming into last night, the Rams looked
like they were going to be sellers. But you got
Pookinakop back and you got Cooper Cup and they're now
(08:01):
three and four. So the season far from over for
the Rams. Because the NFC West, it looked like it
was the Niners, and the Niners were going to run
away with this. That's not the case. Riddled with injuries, Cardinals.
There are a few pieces slash years away. Seattle the
only team in the division with a winning record. So
the Rams, all right, maybe they're not Super Bowl contenders,
(08:24):
but they're certainly contenders to make it back to the playoffs.
You got a great coach, got a great quarterback, you
got two really good wide receivers, good running back. And
becoming sellers at the trade deadline may be a little
premature for a team that has a lot of talent,
and you saw that last night. Now, there was a
play late in the game, under two minutes to go.
(08:44):
Sam Darnold gets sacked in the end zone for safety.
They're down eight, now they're down ten. There was a
face mask on the play and Al Michael's in kirk
kurb Street who were doing the game, and they described
it this way, he got a hold of something there.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
Let's see he got that face mask. He shirt did yep,
And they cannot review that, but he definitely got the
face mask right there.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, anytime you see a guy's head get.
Speaker 8 (09:15):
Spun backwards, something happened and he got away with one
right there.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
And blanking fans are going, what the hell.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
There's a lot of different things you can review.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
Yeah, there's Joanes Jones saying, hey man, you gotta call that, mister.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
How about what the hell from al late lad into
the evening? So up by eight? Now they're up by
ten and no more drama left in the game. This
is what I don't understand, if I'm to listen and
believe what the NFL says with their officials. You have
an official who was looking at the line, the line
(09:52):
play offensive certainly defensive line, and then you have a
referee who's looking at the quarterback. How does one of
those two not see a lineman grabbing Sam Darnold's face
mask or just the body language of how he contorted back.
And the official whose job is to watch the quarterback,
(10:14):
how do you miss that? You can't review it, and
it was an obvious face mask. Now, granted, if they're
down nine as opposed to eight, we're probably not up
in arms about this, but you do have a chance.
I don't think they had time any timeouts left, and
they had to go eighty yards and get a two
point conversion. We know all of that, but you're watching
(10:37):
that and it's a standalone game and they missed it.
Not reviewable. Now, I wondered, since it was a scoring play,
is there a loophole that it's a scoring play even
though it's a safety, but there would have been a
penalty on the play. From what I'm told, you can't
review that. That's not the loophole. It's a score. All
(11:00):
scoring plays are reviewed, but you can't review a scoring
play like that because then you'd have to call a
penalty and you can't do that, so I've been told.
But I thought there might be a loophole where you go, well,
that's a scoring play. I mean, they did score two,
but you can't add a flag to a play. I thought,
(11:20):
oh man, this is going to be genius tomorrow on
the show. And then I came in and then the
Danez shot me down. They're like, no, you can't add
a flag, and I'm like, okay, fair enough, But this
is one of those moments where we see it, it's
right in front of us, and then the officials are like,
I guess we missed it. I don't know if anything
to do with face mask is going to be reviewable.
(11:43):
I don't think everything should be reviewed, but I think
there are certain things that in certain situations. Now I
don't know under two minutes to go? Can you review
something challenge flag, anything like that, something that's egregious like that.
It does have a big impact on the outcome of
the game. I thought maybe this is something. theF all
(12:06):
it takes is a moment, a standalone moment. That's when
the NFL changes things when somebody gets hurt or how
they get hurt, or a scoring play. Hey, we're going
to review push tush. We're going to review all of
these things. That's what it takes. They never go, you
know what what happens. If this happens, it's always that happened.
Now they react to it. I don't know if they
(12:27):
change next year where they go, Hey, any face mask
or questionable face mask penalties, We're going to make those reviewable.
I don't want everything reviewed, but given gambling, I think
you got to be careful. You know, you got to
air to the side of We did everything we could
(12:49):
do to look at this, investigate this to get the
call right. But I don't want everything under review, Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Social media last night had a lot of reaction like this.
People thought that NFL has this sky judge system in
place for just this type of situation. A tight game
situation with a clearly missed call, and they called down
to the officials before and a lot of people think
that that's a part of the NFL. While you say
rightly that they can't review this play. It does seem
in the past two years there's been a little sky
(13:18):
Judge New York call down fix things movement and why
didn't happen here? That was a lot of people on
social media last night.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Here's Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings head coach.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
What did you think of the non call on the
parent face mask therapy.
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Yeah, it looked like you got a pretty good amount
of face mask there. Not going to get into the
call or no call and all that stuff. It's just
I told our team officiating and all that stuff. For
us to talk about that, for us to seek comfort
in that is not how we're going to respond to this.
It's just not going to happen. And I'm going to
do the same thing right now.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I really don't have a comment on whether it.
Speaker 10 (13:56):
Was a It looked like you got a piece of
the face mask, but they didn't think so.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Chile didn't throw the flag.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, he doesn't want to get fined there you don't.
You don't have to necessarily read between the lines. You
know exactly what he's saying here. When Stafford Williams, they're
running back, Cooper Cup, Pukainakua have all been in the lineup.
The Rams are seven and three in average, nearly twenty
eight points per game and nearly four hundred yards of
offense per game. That's where you if they stay healthy,
(14:25):
they can win this division. I thought they were a
playoff team when the season started. You have injuries. Everybody
has injuries. Now you got guys getting healthy. I know
there was talk about Cooper Cup being traded. He could
still be traded, but from what I was told, my
source said if they lost that game last night, then
Cooper Cup was probably going to be dealt. I mean,
(14:48):
that's a very fine line here because they're a game back.
Seattle's leading the division, the Niners are banged up, Arizona
probably not going anywhere. I think Seattle's are really good team,
but you still have a chance. It's hard to be
a seller when you're that close to maybe winning the division.
(15:08):
But we saw that with the Rams last night. You
got a great coach. Stafford was wonderful last night. Nikua
and Cooper Cup awesome when they're healthy and obviously dangerous.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
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Speaker 2 (15:32):
He's Brady Quinn, Fox College football Analyst, former Notre Dame quarterback,
former Cleveland Brown quarterback. Have the Browns reached out to you,
Brady about playing for them again?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
No, they have not, But look, I'm excited for a
couple of reasons. Obviously, what happened to Deshaun is awful,
and even worse obviously the reaction from the crowd, But
it does provide an opportunity to see what Jamis Winston
can do. And I am one of the big Jameis
Winston fans. I just love everything he brings to a team,
as far as everything he does as a leader and
(16:06):
how he communicates.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But also I think he can play.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I was shocked teams didn't try to trade for him
before the season started, because there were some places I
thought he would be a better quarterback than the situation
they had going in the season. So he gets his shot,
his opportunity. We saw what this team did last year
with backup quarterbacks still making the playoffs, so hopefully he
can make a run for my Brownies. But also, Ken
Dorsey call him plays. I was with Ken for a
(16:31):
couple of years and he's one of the better offensive
minds that I'd been around as a player that's now
turned into a coach.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
So I'm excited for his opportunity.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Would you rather have Joe Flacco or Jamis Winston with
the Cleveland Browns?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Probably Jamis, and I mean, obviously it's a hypothetical that's
not possible right now. Now, if we went back to
the beginning of the season, it would be hard not
to go with Flaco based on what he did for
the Browns last year. But look, we had to play
against that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know, Joe's Jose. Heck of a player.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
There's a reason why I still play and still able
to do it at a high level. But I would
I mean, look, Jamis is the guy for right now,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Who will be the starting quarterback for the Browns next year?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I think it will still be de Shaun Watson.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Okay, now that's pending that he's able to come back
from the injury and rehab and be ready to go
in time. If that's not the case, clearly it could
be Jamis, could be someone else, depending on how this
this year goes. I guess for Jamis, but pending that
he's healthy enough to come back, I just think the
contract straps Cleveland into the situation for at least another year.
(17:34):
I think the other unfortunate part was that was probably
one of his better games before he got injured. So
that's disappointed to.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
See Brady Quinn and the Big noon kickoff crew in Columbus.
It's Ohio State hosting Nebraska pregame show on Fox Airs
every Saturday starting at ten a m. Eastern. You got
a good handle on Ohio State, I.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Think so, although a couple of weeks ago when they
lost to Oregon, that game was a bit surprising to me.
I thought watching both teams all year, Ohio State was
the much better team, and when it came down to it, Oregon,
you know, was able to get Evan Stewart involved. I
think everyone who didn't know who that was probably does
now that follows college football and they'll see when people
start talking about the draft when he's draft eligible and
(18:18):
ready to go with the speed that he has the
big playability and obviously Dylan Gabriel too, I think helped
himself out in his draft stock. But Oregon didn't look
like that coming into the game.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
So that was a huge statement. I think for.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Them before Ohio State, it's diagnosing why have they struggled
so bad on defense to stop the run in these
big games, to get more pressure on opposing quarterbacks. They've
got the talent, they've got the ability, is it, scheme
is it? Some of these guys they don't have enough
depth to rotate them out and put fresher guys in
to allow JT. Twey Moloile and Jack Sawyer and guys
(18:51):
like that to go out for the quarterback. I think
over the bye week they had a lot of questions
to answer on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Give me the game that you're just not quite shure
or that the team that's supposed to win is going
to win.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Oh, that's a tough one for this week, I guess.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Look, I'll start off by talking about Notre Dame, and
in part because I think I go back to the
Northern Illinois loss and I feel like when you have
a game like that, every game after that, you're kind
of like, I don't know they should win. I think
they're gonna win handily. I think the passing game is
gonna look better this week than it ever has. But
this is a Navy team that's undefeated, and I know
they haven't played the most difficult schedule. But Blake Horva
(19:36):
after their quarterback, who also is a Columbus product, by
the way, as the Hilio Derby kid. I always try
to follow those quarterbacks from areas where I'm from, and
he's done a phenomenal job for him this year. And
I think defensively too, there'll be some wrinkles for him.
So that's one game that concerns me because Dan those
these games, you know, when you play against a triple
option or option style team, they start practicing back in
(19:56):
the spring for this, this training camp, even the bye week,
you'll start moplementing some of the option plays just to
get your defense ready for it, because it's so tough
to prepare for everything you're going to face in just
a week's time. And I know people at home are like,
come on, this should never happen. Well, like they're underfeeding
right now. Is the first team both teams Army and
Navy have been underfeed and since like nineteen twenty six.
(20:17):
So let's give a lot of those young men credit
and the coaching staffs because they don't have an NIL fund.
It's not like they're turning rosters over the grants for
portal all right. They're doing it the old school way
with these old school offenses. That it's it's awesome to
see them having so much success in this era of
college football.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Okay, but explain this to me, and I know it's
probably like a baseball hitter facing a knuckleballer. You're not
going to see it very often. You got to kind
of get adjusted to it, and then you don't see
it again the rest of the season. You're facing Army
and you're facing Navy. And from the when we watch this,
it just looks like it's slight a hand, Like there's
(20:55):
three or four different people in a small area who
could all end up with the ball and it's really
just kind of slight of hand here. But for the defense,
why is it so difficult to be able to kind of,
I don't know, take this into perspective of who's got
the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Because we're asking eighteen to twenty two year olds to
be disciplined, right, that's the reality of what it is.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
It's they're gonna come down to.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
There's gonna be a read off of one guy three
separate times throughout a play when you're talking about the
triple option, and at some point you're betting that either
your guy in space is better than that guy, or
that guy who's reading is gonna make mistake, or someone
else is gonna make a mistake. And that's what it
comes down to. And I think, look, it puts pressure
on offenses. I remember when we play maybe back in
the day, you got like nine possessions and so you
(21:44):
better score because they're gonna score, and they're gonna eat
up the clock, and they're gonna go for fourth downs,
like they're not afraid when it's fourth and three to
go for it because they understand like what's at stake
if they don't get it, and so they're much more
aggressive in that sense. So it put puts pressure on
every one to be disciplined. They always hear I discipline
well more so than ever versus option teams like this,
(22:06):
and also to their credit, they're so good at running
these plays like I can recall a time when I
was watching because like, this is an offense that you
don't see very often, so you want to watch those
guys do it. And I swear to god, it looked
like their quarterback back when I was playing, was going
on like it was like an a limbo, like he
was going under the bar and he was his back
was almost touching the ground.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
He still pitched the ball off to the pitch man,
and I thought.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Myself, like, we did everything right, but we couldn't stop
that particular play.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
So it just comes down to discipline. Again.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
It's par for eighteen and twenty three year olds to
be disciplined sometimes.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, if it comes down to this, let's say, Army
or Navy are there for that twelfth spot or Illinois?
Let's say, is it like we're putting on a TV
show here? The twelve team playoff is a team. It
is a TV show, whether you want to agree to
it or not. But it's about entertainment. It's about storylines
(22:59):
as well. Can you see where the committee would lean
towards one of the military academies.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I think if it falls within the guidelines, right, if
they happen to be the highest rank that comes from
a group of five as far as far as a
conference champ, and they also happen to be undefeated. I do
think it's going to take a team that's undefeated, Like
I kind of thought Liberty might have a shot before
the season. Obviously, their hopes went down the drain in
dramatic fashion earlier this week, so they won't be.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
A part of that.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
But I think it's going to take either Navy or
Army in this case, to be undefeated and be the
conference champ of the AC when it's all said and done.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
I think that's the only way they can get in.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
And obviously these two teams score offers is one another,
so we know that's not going to be a possibility
for one of them. But I think in that scenario,
I personally would love to see it. You know, I've
gotten to know coach Mankin an Army over the years
with the work my foundation does, and when you think
about what these young men are signing up for after
college and all that, there's a much bigger picture here,
So I think it'd be fascinating to see. I think
(23:58):
it'd be you know, fine plays to the advantage, though
of the teams they're playing in the playoff because they've
got a little additional time to break down and prepare,
you know, for that scheme. But during the course of
regular season a little different obviously. But I'd love to
see it, and I won't say I hope it happens,
but it would be fun to watch and see how
that would play out.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
What if al Obama loses to Missouri, I.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Think they're out of the playoff probably.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I mean, if you're gonna get the best bigger than that,
I don't I guess I don't want to react too much.
In year one under Kiln de bor, I mean he's
got big shoes to fill. That's stating the obvious. But
go back to Nick Saban's early time too at Alabama.
I mean he didn't have it all together in year
one either.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, but he was taking over a bad program. Kaylin
de Boor's walking into a national championship caliber monster.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And I think the difference there is like the expectations, right,
And so you tell me what's harder. Is it easier
to take something that's completely knocked down to rebuild or
is it easier to then take a whole that's per
scene that's beautiful, but you want to make some tweaks
and changes that are pretty significant to that house. Go
at a contract, they'll probably tell you're going to charge
you more for that remodel as opposed to just knocking
(25:10):
it down and building it up clean. And I think
that's kind of the case too sometimes with coaches when
they take over a program, Like there was no expectation
when theyck Sabman first got there. I mean, yes, he
had won previously at LSU, so that was the expectation.
And obviously, you know, getting to the NFL and coming
back to college, but the reality is, you know, the
expectation was different. You know now for Alabama, they expect
(25:31):
to go win SEC championships and go play for national championships.
So it's hard to you know, keep up to that
standard while you're still trying to put your fingerprints on
how you're gonna make it a little bit different or
your style, Like you can't ask Kaitlyn to boor to
walk in and be exactly not Saban Like they know
he's not that guy. He's got to be his own
guy and is going to lead in his own win.
It might take a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Time when you look at NIL, We're hearing more coaches.
Tony Bennett, Virginia decides to retire. Gino Oriema was railing
about this. Saban steps out, Jay Wright steps down. We're
starting to see like the impact this is going to
have on the coaching community, and these are big names
who were stepping down. I'm just curious, really what the
(26:15):
coaching lifespan is it is going to be with these
guys who are getting into it now. Is it a
young man's game, you know, and not necessarily you know,
the older school guys who want to put up with this.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
It's a hard question to answer because I think every
every university, every situation is different. I think those that
are more prepared the transition into what the Nile world
has brought us, and that's obviously we can call it
like it's not pay for play, but it is, and
it's more of a professional organization is really what it's
evolving into. And I think the universities that have set
(26:51):
themselves up to be able to succeed, clearly they have
head coaches that aren't at burdened by all of this.
I think the universities that struggle to do it when
you look at what these head coaches are asked to do,
I mean, on top of their own roster evaluation and
evaluating high school recruits. Now it's evaluating potential players who
are in the portal or potential players elsewhere he might
be in the portal. It's fundraising not just for the university,
(27:14):
but now for your NIO and your collective. It's all
these different hats they have to wear, and it's extremely
stressful for these guys. I mean, you look at Chip
Kelly for example, not to get away from Tony Bennet
and basketball, but he leaves a head coaching job and
a Power five school that's moving to the Big Ten
to come be an offensive coordinator because he just wants
to coach. That to me was the biggest statement that
(27:34):
was made this entire offseason, and I think that's kind
of where things are at now. And if you look
at Ryan Day and how he's transitioned to this more
of CEO as a head coach, I think that's really
what the future of college football head coaching is going
to look like. It's going to look like a guy
who's really overseeing the entire organization and not just one
side of the football or overseeing his staff and his players.
(27:56):
It's going to have a lot more involvement in the
business affairs of what that's sch, what that team's doing.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It's kind of quiet with Dion and Colorado considering how
loud it was last year. But they're playing well. Doesn't
feel like, you know, all the pregame shows are going
to Colorado. You know, celebrities are going.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It just kind of like this seems like it's a
good thing for Colorado and for Dion.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Is Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
But I think there's also still there's still some celebrities going.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
There's still waves and all that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I mean when they go places like you know, because
of I think what they built and because of the reputation.
You know, there's a lot more excitement around those games
and people want to beat them. Like I think as
much as there are CU fans who jumped on the
bandwagon or prime fans or should door Travis Hunter, there's
also those people who probably want to see them lose because.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Of how they do it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So, I mean, the attention is still there, I think
as far as like the newness of it and the
style and everything else. Yeah, that ebbs and flows, and
you got to continue to keep following the story of
college football. But I think the best thing about what
you set is there's not as much noise, but there's
still very much in it. I mean, the Big Twelve
is as wide open as any Shador's playing like a
(29:07):
guy who might be the first overall pick, and in
my opinion, if he wins the Big Twelve and they're
playing the College Football Playoff, you know, maybe you're looking
at him saying he's got a shot to win the
Heisman as well, and Travis Hunter very much as if
he continues to play both ways and put up stats,
he might too. So I think it actually is a
bigger statement the fact that there's still very much in
the hunt, and yet you're not hearing as much noise.
(29:30):
Now it's about the walk. It's not all the talk
like some people who said a year.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Ago, Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Though, when they lose
Travis Hunter and they lose Shador, then then we're gonna
see pri I'm gonna have to get out on the road,
I think, and do a little more recruiting. When you
know you don't have your son there as your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Maybe you know, we don't know that he's got his
own sackley On style of doing it, and you know,
maybe he feels like that's what's most efficient.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, but those are two of the top five to
ten players in the drect that he has.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Right, But are you going to turn down an invitation
from Deon Sanders to fly out to Colorado and visit
with him? Like, are you to be stubborn about it
and say no, no, no, we want him to come to
our house. Like if theoretically we think about it, he
can visit with more recruits, more prospects by staying in
one place as opposed to traveling everywhere.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
And look, let's just be real.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
There's not many people who can do that, but he
can because he is prime. Because people are sitting there saying, yeah,
I'll go take that visit, like I'll go out to
the mountains and check that out and go.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Hang out with Deon Sanders out there.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
So that does play to his advantage, There's no doubt
about it because of his career, in particular, the impact
has on the parents.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I mean, DP think about us.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I mean I was at this kind of tail end
obviously as like a young kid remembering how amazing Dion was.
No matter where he you know where he was and
the two sport athlete he was. But the parents remember
more than anything else, Like half the time, even if
the kid's not interested in the parents are going like
you're going out to Border Colorado.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Could he have talked to you out of going to
Notre Dame?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Have you talked to Dion?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I mean he's one of the most perspassive people ever,
So yeah. I mean he's I think too when you
look at and right, wrong or indifferent. I mean the
way he's put an offense around that highlight chador or
in particular the quarterback position, that'd be attractive to any
quarterback who's looking at trying to make a name for
themselves and trying to you know, whether it's win a
(31:26):
conference championship, national championship, and trying to win a Heisman
like that sells that. That works in this world of
college football with all the seven on seven leagues everything else,
that sells hard.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Good to talk to you again. Have fun this weekend.
Thanks Brady, Hey Dan, thanks for having me a part
of Meat Fridays. You're welcome. You're welcome to come. You
got to come to the home office. I mean, I'm Dion,
you got to come in here if you want to
experience meat Friday.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I'm gonna have some steak tonight though, so hopefully you
do it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It's not the same, it's not the same. It's about teamwork,
it's about getting together. It's about liking each other. Something
that didn't happen at Notre Dame maybe doesn't happen on Fox.
We gotta wait, I gotta wait Fox.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
I can attest him. We had last.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Okay, all right, so did somebody get after it a
little bit?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I don't know how early, Matt Leonard or Marking. I'll
leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Tell Liner and he's not at USC anymore.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I try to, but you know, he's out there.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He's just he's still the West Coast guy trying to
catch some waves. He's kind of the South Bay bro.
He's out there in the South Bay.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Lad, he's catching waves in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Well not here.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I mean, I'm not here, but he's probably getting right
off the plane and like board shorts and.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
What has changed, so he's probably adapting to that very well.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
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Speaker 1 (32:56):
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Speaker 2 (33:07):
Jason Garrett Football Night in America Analyst, and he'll be
there for the Cowboys and the Niners kick off eight
twenty eastern on NBC in Peacock. Jason, good to have
you back. Let me ask you the whole question. I'll
give you Justin Jefferson or I'm gonna give you Pooka
Nakua and Cooper Cup. So you can either take the
two Rams wide receivers or Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
I take Justin Jefferson really, and I absolutely love those
other two guys. I mean, I think they're incredible in
an amazing combination. But Justin Jefferson to me, is one
of these game changing cornerstone players that you can build
your franchise around for ten more years. So when you
have those guys, you keep them and you're filling around them.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Okay, who does he remind you of?
Speaker 9 (33:57):
You know, he doesn't remind me of many people in
terms of an impact. It's not quite Randy Moss for me,
But it's moving in that direction. You know what's interesting
about him is evaluating him coming out of school. He
played in the slot at LSU, and so one of
the questions was, hey, okay, why are they playing him
in the slot? Why is he inside? Is he does
(34:19):
not run well enough outside? He's not athletic enough. Is
he one of these savvy guys? And he's all of
that stuff, But he's got all the other stuff too.
So I just think he's an elite, elite, game changing player.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
It feels like there's been this rebirth with Matthew Stafford
after he got to the Rams and won the Super Bowl.
I think people realized, or maybe rerealized, just how good
he is or has been. Do you get that feeling
that all of a sudden he was like Matthew Stafford
with the Lions. Oh he's good, but the team's not
any good. Now, all of a sudden, you got these
(34:52):
young quarterbacks c J. Stroud, Caleb Williams, they're talking about
looking up to Matthew Stafford. How did that happen?
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Well, anybody who's watched football closely for a long time
realizes how good this guy has been. And that's easy
to say now, But I mean, if you study quarterback
play and you study offensive football, what he did for
all those years in Detroit was amazing.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
And you said it.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
It was in a rough environment, the team wasn't very good,
but if you watched him play, he was really good.
And we had a couple experiences playing against him where
like damn, I mean at Stafford again, you know, just
doing some ridiculous thing against us, and he's a rare
passer of the football. I'm actually working on a project
(35:37):
with NFL Films right now and the evolution of throwing
and how it's changed since Joe Namath to today. And
we've studied a lot of different guys and talked to
a lot of different guys and one of the questions
that's come out of it is, Okay, is there an
ideal throwing motion? And so we've asked a lot of
people that we've studied different guys to say who's got
(35:58):
the best throwing motion? And in the midst of doing this,
I went to a Rams practice in the spring one
of their OTAs I'm standing on the sidelines, I'm like
lightning ball.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
I think it might be Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
He's just ridiculous how talented he is throwing it. But
like with a lot of guys, what separates him from
me is the intangibles.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
His toughness is rare.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But let me go back to the form, the actual,
not the quarterback himself, but just the art of throwing
a football. You're saying, Matthew Stafford is going to be
high up on that list.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Whip.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, who else would be up there that might surprise me.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Over time?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Like Warren Moon to me through the prettiest deep ball
that I ever saw.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Yeah, we used to.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
We used to be in warm ups and war movie
throwing pat and go and be like, ah, I don't
know that anybody throws it better than that guy.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So you're watching warm ups of Warren Moon while you're
facing him.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Yeah, it's a great question. And I've been studying this
and talking about it my whole life. The guy that
I play with for eight years in Dallas, to me,
is one of the most underappreciated passers of all time,
and that's Troy Aikman.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
I mean, he was just rare throwing the ball, and
he doesn't have.
Speaker 9 (37:12):
The gaudy statistics because of how we played, but he
was incredible. Anybody who watched him closely day after day.
He just could throw any ball, and he was so
consistent and accurate, catchable balls, unbelievable. You know, Marino, Elway,
the obvious ones. Those guys were just different than everybody else.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But he's there a quarterback though, who wasn't good but
had an unbelievable throwing motion.
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Oh, there are.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Tons of those guys like George, Jeff George had He
could throw a beautiful deep ball.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
Jeff George could throw a beautiful any ball. I mean,
he was a rare passer, you know. Unfortunately he wasn't
as good a quarterback as he was a passer.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
You know, those other guys that I'm.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Talking about, Elway, Marino, they had everything and then they
had this eliteness about them when they throw the ball.
And you know, Brett Favre incredible, like I said, Troy Aikman,
from that era. The guy's playing now. I mean the
way Stafford throws the ball, the way Josh Allen throws
the ball. You know, it's pretty special. It's been interesting
(38:22):
the study that we've done, and we've talked to a
lot of people, Tom House being one of them, and
you know, sometimes you get caught up in the rareness
of how hard they throw it and how far they
throw it and all of that. And he kept coming
back to guys both in baseball and football that were
had great control too, And I asked him, who's got
the ideal pitching motion? He spent his whole life studying pitchers,
(38:46):
and he said it's Greg Maddox, And I said, really,
I was shocked by that, because Maddox doesn't strike you
as a guy who's got this overwhelming physical tools. But
he said he just was incredible with how he locate
the ball on a consistent basis. And he actually compared
Maddox to Drew Brees, very similar players and how they.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Throw the ball.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, I was going to say, Joe Montana would have
been my comp for Greg Maddox.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
I think that's a great comp You can't go wrong there.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
But Montana kind of in that same category of a
guy that doesn't overwhelm you physically, but the precision and
the consistency is incredible. But it's been a really fun
project and I bring it up just to say Stafford's
high on that list.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
He's Jason Garrett and Football Night in America brings you
the Cowboys and the Niners. All right, you were in
this position. I know you hate being put back in
this position, but I'm gonna put you there. Jerry Jones
comes out and he's critical of the play calling by
Mike McCarthy. How does that help the process? Or you
have to go to a press conference and then answer
(39:55):
for Jerry Jones? How difficult is that for Mike? How
difficult was that for you when you were there in Dallance.
Speaker 9 (40:02):
Well as Troy Aikman used to say, something's come with
the dinner, and so.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Ye, that comes with the dinner.
Speaker 9 (40:12):
And you know the media types they loved the idea
of hey, the owner said this, What.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Do you say is you know they love that wedge thing.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
And you know my approach was always you just try
to stay above it. You don't dive into the fray
too much. You know, everybody wants authenticity from head coaches.
They wanted to say what they want to say, but
that's not your job. Your job is to protect the
team and protect the organization first and foremost, so you
try not to delve into that too much. It obviously
(40:43):
is not the ideal situation you want everybody to be aligned.
You don't want There's enough noise in the world anyway,
you don't want to contribute to it. So as much
as I try, what I tried to do is not
inflame it just try to pat it down and get
everybody thinking about something differently. How could Derrick Henry win
the MVP?
Speaker 7 (41:03):
Just keep handing on the ball. He's ridiculous, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
His fourth quarter stats like you can tell where the
defense gets tired. You don't want to take him on.
And all it takes is just because he doesn't have moves.
He's kind of like herschel Walker Kirs He didn't have
that shiftiness, but if he had a moment, he was gone.
And here's Derrick Henry doing that. It's just it feels
(41:30):
like it's still and I don't know, are we going
to be committed to the run this season in the
NFL like league wide? Do you feel like there's more
of a commitment there? And then you're factoring in these
quarterbacks who are running as well well.
Speaker 9 (41:44):
I think if you look at the best offenses through time,
they're balanced and they run the ball. And I talk
about this every week on Sunday Night Football the quarterbacks
that have too much of a burden on them ultimately
fail because the league is too hard, the defenses are
too good. So if you drop back fifty times, you're
(42:04):
going to lose. You might win this week, but you're
going to lose. And so you have to control the
line of scrimmage, you know, being able to run the football,
play action pass, all of that. That's when you have
success and you can sustain that success. So having a
commitment to it is big. And you know, I laugh
at the devaluation of running backs. And this is a
(42:27):
sensitive topic for me because I played in Dallas for
eight years and we had EMITTT.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
Smith. We won three Super Bowls. The impact of EMMITTT.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Smith and the offensive line in the running game pervaded
the whole team. The quarterback, the receivers, the defense. Everybody
fed off of that. We're a physical team that controlled
the game. And then our best years in Dallas when
I was the coach to Marco Murray led the league
in rushing, Zeke Elliott led the league in rushing twice,
and all of a sudden, it's ironic that Tony Romo
(42:55):
and Dak Prescott had their best years when we're doing that,
you know. So it just creates a comfortable environment for
the quarterback and for everybody else on the team. And
so if you can play that way, you're going to
have sustained success. And the best team to do that
when the Rams are rolling, they're running it and throwing it.
Forty nine ers running and throwing it. Vikings running it
and throwing it, and certainly the Ravens might be the
(43:17):
best example of that this year. So keep giving the
big guy the ball.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, I'm all in on running. And I wondered if
we would see because you know, these defensive players they're
trying to get you know, smaller and quicker guys on defense. Now,
I just think if i'm I'm going to make you
adjust to me. We're going to run the ball, you
might be ready for everybody else in the NFL. And
you know who you're going to face with us. You've
(43:42):
got to deal with our line, and we're going to
run the football. And I would make you, I would
have an advantage at least half of the games where
you had to adapt to me. I don't know why
somebody just doesn't go all in and say we're going
to run the football. And then we're going to pass
the football, not the other way around. Well, it's interesting
you say that.
Speaker 9 (44:01):
If you go back to Dallas's game a couple weeks
ago against Detroit, Detroit runs the ball eight of the
first ten snaps of the game. Detroit's built their team
the right way. They got great offensive linemen, they got
two big time runners, and that's where it starts. So
everybody talks about ben Jonson boy the trick, play to this,
to that. The other thing what they did early in
the game was Cowboys, let's get ready defend the run.
(44:23):
We're gonna hit you right in the mouth. Now we're
gonna make you defend this run. And then everything else
came from that. They controlled the line of scrimmage. Now
the dropback game comes, the lives, the play action game,
the specials, all of that. So you're preaching to the
choir right now. I mean, you got the incense out
and you're throwing it on me because you know, this
(44:44):
is what I believe, and that's how we built our
teams in Dallas. Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Travis, Frederick, Zeke Elliott,
that's how we wanted to play.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
If you were coaching the Dolphins. How would you handle
the two as situation?
Speaker 7 (44:57):
Hard for me to answer that from Afar.
Speaker 9 (44:59):
I'm not there with him every day, so I got
to be careful with this response.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
But uh Air on the.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Side of really really having caution about him as a person.
You know, ultimately, when you're coaching players, and I use
this word very deliberately, you love the guys. You ask
them a lot, and you you develop a relationship with
them that's so strong that you love them and you
care about them first and foremost, and so that has
to be line one with him, Like Tua, we care
(45:27):
about you for the rest of your life. So we
better really all be on board on the medical evaluation
here before we put you back out there.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
But let's say he's clear though, Jason. Let's say he's
clear then, but do you do you change your past protection?
Are you changing your play calling because of his potential condition?
Speaker 9 (45:47):
Well, let me let me just finish what I said.
I got it, he's cleared. But let's ask that question
again and again and again and again before he goes
back out there, and we're all okay with it. You know,
family member, medical people, Toua himself, the whole deal Okay,
now we go do it.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
And I do think.
Speaker 9 (46:06):
You're extra careful and extra deliberate in how you call
the game. Wow, and you coach the heck out of them,
like I know they have on what you do when
the play breaks down and getting down and we're not
diving for first downs, we're not doing any of that.
But you get the ball out of your hand quickly.
They do that when you throw it down the field more.
(46:27):
You better have extra protectors because that's first and foremost
with any quarterback.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
But particularly in this situation, are the Niners still contender?
Super Bowl contender?
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Even with all the injuries.
Speaker 9 (46:39):
Yeah, the seasons young, there's a lot of football to
be played. There's narratives that come out every Monday about
what's going to happen the rest of the year based
on what happened yesterday. But I have a lot of
faith in their in their coaches, a lot of faith
in their players. Obviously, they're banged up. The receiver situation
is real, but they're going to get some guys back,
and they're enough to adjust to the guys that they
(47:02):
do have. The thing for me with them that has
always been so damn impressive, The last few years. I
feel like their defense was elite, elite and how it
disrupted the game and controlled the game. You couldn't make
an inch against them, and you wanted to throw if
you were hesitant at all, the ball is going to
get knocked out of your hand, and oh, by the way,
(47:23):
fifty four is going to intercept another one and all
of that. I don't feel like they're quite there right now,
and I think for me with them, they have to
get themselves back to that place. Those elite players have
to be elite and extra elite to deal with some
of the issues that they have on the other side
of the ball. But I have a lot a lot
(47:44):
of faith in their team and their coaches, and there's
a lot of football to be played.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
We'll be watching on Sunday night. Great to talk to you,
my best of the family. Thank you, Jason. I always
enjoy it at Jason Garrett Football Night in America.
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