April 10, 2025 • 42 mins
DP reacts to Luka's homecoming game against Dallas. How does this compare to other homecoming games in the NBA? The Athletic's Joe Vardon discusses the vibe in the arena at the game and offers insight on the league's most compelling storylines. 2025 Naismith Basketball HOF inductee Dwight Howard shares his reaction to making the Hall and opens up on his relationship with Shaq.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thunder up to sixty six wins and Luca and the
Lakers steal the headlines last night as he goes for
forty five. And it's one of those nights where you're
not quite sure emotionally how locked in you can be.
If you're Luca, You're going back. Are you sad? Are
you angry? Are you excited? The wave of emotions here.
(00:26):
In fact, Luca was asked about that last night after
the game.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It was a little bit of both, you know, happy
and angry. But you know, it's nice to see some
familiar faces here. You know, I spent a lot of
times with them, Like you said, you know, it was
a lot of emotions. When I woke up, I was
tired and I didn't sleep much. I'm excited about this game,
and you know, I really fichet the fence the way
they reacted it to me.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And I thought they were going to give him a
standing ovation. I thought they'd cheer him every time he
got the ball. It was a home game of sorts
for Luke on the road, and the fans made sure
that he was welcomed. He felt that way and it's
not the same, but it's compartmentalizing. When Brett Farbe's father
died and then Farv went out and had that unbelievable
Nunday night game, I think against the Raiders, and he
(01:15):
just needed to have that escape from what happened with
his father. Well, Luca is not exactly escaping. He's walking
right into this. He's walking right into where it started.
And then he was not so politely asked to leave.
And the fact that the GM Nico Harrison is in
the building, fans are chanting fire Nico, and the over
(01:38):
under was thirty and a half points for Luca and
he blew by that in the first half. He had
thirty one and a halftime. But it was great to
see that. And you can't forget about the Lakers are
trying to get the number three seats, so you've got
to make sure you win the game. Don't get caught
up in the emotion of it. Make sure you win
(02:00):
the game. But he drops forty five, they win by fifteen,
and you know this is what's going to be. I
guess ask of Luca the rest of his career being
a leader, being mature, because you know Lebron's got how
many more years left? Then it's Luca's team. And what
(02:20):
you want to see is that maturity that I can
be a leader. We know he can be a great player,
it's now what are you going to be? Great players
are always adding to their games, whether it's something that
is tangible or something that you know, maybe not so
much in being a leader, a leader on the court
(02:41):
off the court. And yes, do I have I said
things about his passion getting caught up in little things. Yes,
and maybe that's something that he needs to have. There's
certain players that like to have. It's almost like there's
a pebble in your shoe. You're never quite comfortable and
jawing with officials, jawing with fans. I hope he grows
(03:04):
out of that. He might not, But to be able
to put up these kind of numbers and remind us
too of just how great he can be in a
big moment was pretty impressive last night. All right, seton
poll question today eight seven seven three DP show operators
sitting by taking your phone calls, and we'll get to
those coming up. So what do you have for a
(03:26):
pole question?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Here's one from Paul. If you gave Mark Cuban A
Mulligan dot dot H. I'm assuming this is Mavericks related
and perhaps selling his a big chunk of a team.
Do you think he would still do that?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I don't know how much money he made. I don't know.
I don't know what he wants to do. So he
has a couple of billion now, I think he owned
twenty seven percent of the maps. Would he have kept
the team and become and not sold it so he
doesn't get rid of Luka Dantis?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It feels like he wants to divest himself from being
an owner. He was the face of the Dallas Mavericks.
He was there in his jeans, in his Dallas jersey
and T shirt and he's on the bench. Feels like
he's got bigger plans like politics, But then you know
they're trying to get gambling. They're trying to do a
whole like neighborhood there. It feels like with the arena,
(04:27):
the basketball team, the new ownership there coming in from Vegas.
But would he if he could do it again? Yeah,
I don't know, unless we had him on to be
able to be fair to him to ask that. I like,
I don't even know if I could wager a guest
to say, of course he would, because I don't know.
(04:48):
It seems like and we had Tim mcmahonnon who was
there for ESPN. He's written a book on Luca and
he said there's no way that Marek Cuban would ever
have allowed this, and I understand that I agree with that.
But and he didn't have a say in this either,
which it's strange, but you know, he owns twenty seven
(05:12):
percent of the team, I think, and they didn't run
this by him, and this might have been ownership saying, hey,
we're the ones in charge here, not our GM, not
our coach, not our former owner. We're in charge. We're
the ones that have to write a check for three
hundred and forty five million dollars, and you know what,
we're not comfortable doing that. Cuban man, that's hard to say.
(05:44):
That's a hell of an investment from that guy.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Though he bought the team for like two one hundred
and eighty five million dollars something like that, Yeah, and
then sold it for like three three point five Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, good business man he's had. His resume is spotty
in some of the decisions that he's made, but this
is a now. He was all in on Luca to
begin with, and that's why they traded for him. But
some other moves that he's made haven't gone so elegantly.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yes, seton, Yeah, I think that was an interesting point
from yesterday we were talking about that. I mean, he
had a ton of bad moves during his tenure too,
just maybe not quite this bad well though, I mean
some of them were really terrible.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yes, yes, yeah, Pauli.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Mark Cuban made an estimated three point five billion off
the sale. He still retains a twenty seven percent stake.
Dallas Morning News had an article last week where Mark
said he expected to continue to run basketball when he
sold the mask, but the NBA would not let that
be put in the contract. That's where the mulligan comes in.
He could have gotten the money and maybe still run basketball,
(06:49):
but they wouldn't allow it. I wonder if that was
his image, Like you said, that was a big part
of his image.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I think if he could have maintained control over
the basketball operations, still made his money ensure he would
want that. That's what he did want. But now they've
taken away his baby, and then somebody else is raising it,
and all of a sudden you make this move one
of the biggest moves in NBA history. And there have
been times when you know, guys have been moved. You
(07:15):
know he saw this, lou Al Sindor when he was traded,
Wilt when he was traded. So we've had these moments here,
but that's still it's still shocking when you trade somebody
who is that young. What other poll questions do we have.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Let's see what else we've got here. We've got two
from the too dub. How closely do you follow the
first round of the Masters? Okay, follow it a little bit, Yeah,
a little bit. See who gets out hot.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, the odds are and if you look history shows
that you've got to be around the top fifteen. That
you don't see too many come from behind wins, at
least some of the analysts that talked about that after
the first day. Look in the top fifteen, you'll probably
find your winner in the top fifteen the odds to win.
Scotty Scheffler, then it's Rory McElroy. Then you go to
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John Rahm, Colin Moore, Kawa, Xander Schoffley, Bryson, de Shambeau
and Ludwig Oberg. But this is all about Rory because
he's played well this year. He needs the masters for
the career Grand Slam. Scheffler hasn't played great, but he's
the odds on favorite. And then you got John Rahm.
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Can you dial it up? You know, can you dial
up that tension that you need to play Augusta? You
know that feeling when you're playing Augusta as opposed to
playing on the Live Tour where you're listening to music
and you're wearing shorts and really not playing for anything.
Now you're playing for everything. But this is an opportunity
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for John Ram and Bryson de Shamba. Those are the
two favorites from the Live tour, along with Colin Moorekowa,
who a lot of people like. He played great this year.
But weather condition should be great today and I think
there's rain in the forecast. At some point. There was
another story that I saw and I don't know if
(09:11):
it's a thing or not, and that is TJ. Watt
had a social media post and he posted an image
of himself giving the peace sign from his Instagram story,
no caption, and then all of a sudden fans are wondering,
does he want to be traded? I don't know if
that's a piece out sign, But you know, he's entering
(09:35):
the final year of a four year deal, he's thirty
years of age. He's probably looking at Max Crosby and
Miles Garrett's deals and maybe he's looking to cash in.
I guess that's what I can read into this. Once again,
I don't know if it's a thing or not. Here
(09:55):
you are the Steelers, you're waiting for Aaron Rodgers. You're
gonna I think shoudoor Sanders today. And now you have
your best defensive player, your best player who just gives
a peace sign. Should we read anything into that? As
we head towards the draft, a couple of defensive players
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getting bigger deals than his. Does he want a new
deal now? Is that what he's saying? Or is he
saying peace out? I want to be out of here,
which would surprise me because he's the face of the
Pittsburgh Steelers right now. Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
He's a huge point break fan and he's asking for
two utah, oh give me two?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, all right, I didn't factor that in.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Might be that might be the poll question, what else
could TJ.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Watt be signaling here?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
If not I want to trade?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, thirty years of age, but tied straighthand for the
most saxon a single season twenty two and a half.
I mean it's the final year of his contract, so
you should be able to cash in one more time here, Yeah, pony.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yes, one more year in his contract. This year TJ.
Watt will make just under thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay, but I could see.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Wanting a yeah, obvious, wanting a contract now because entering
thirty two, you're not going to get the monster contract.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
I don't think even if even if the production is there. Okay,
so is he asking out do you trade TJ.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Watt? And uh? Once again, I don't know if it's
a thing or not, but it felt like people were
making it into a thing. And granted, it's the Steelers
and you don't know what they're doing. You don't know,
you know, are they going to draft a quarterback at
twenty one? Is Roger's going to go there? And now
you have this. If you're Mike Tomlin, you're like, come on,
(11:57):
I need something positive to happen here. Yeah, Paul, maybe
he put up two fingers. Last year we had two quarterbacks.
Right now we basically have zero. I'm going deep dive, okay, okay, yeah,
but you know it's all about timing that Miles Garrett
was up and Max Crosby was up and they got
bigger deals. Okay, if you're TJ. Watt, just play this
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year and then sign your contract extension. Yes, Tom, Let's give.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Aaron Rodgers two more days or two more weeks at
deciding what he's doing, and then we've got to move
on because this is getting embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I see what you're doing. Okay, yeah, I don't know
if there's something there or not, but it just felt
like it's the NFL. It's the Steelers heading into the draft.
Aaron Rodgers should or Sanders going to be there today.
Wait a minute, what's TJ watsaying? Just put up a
peace sign. Maybe it's nothing, or maybe it's something.
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Speaker 2 (13:57):
Joe Varden covering the NBA for the Athletic He was
at the Lakers MAVs game last night, joining us from Dallas.
How would you describe the atmosphere Joe, Well.
Speaker 11 (14:09):
I've been to a few reunion games, including Klay Thompson's
as a member of the Mavericks at Golden State this year,
and I've never seen anything like this. There really wasn't
a boo to be heard, and the Lakers always get
booed on the road, but every time that Luca had
the ball, there was a roar. Every time he scored,
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it was louder now. At the same time, there was
an incredible sense of negativity and frustration and anger in
the form of when either team was at the foul line,
fans are channing fire Nico for general manager Nico Harrison,
who made this trade. So yeah, I mean, you know,
Lebron's talking about this afterwards. I mean, if you think
(14:53):
about all the reunion games that he's been a part
of and how emotional they were for different reasons, he
was saying that it was a cool moment that he'll
remember for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What kind of message do you think Luca wanted to
send last night?
Speaker 11 (15:11):
You know, I think that Luca is an introspective, sensitive
young man and I mean that in the best way,
and I don't think he was looking to send a message.
I think he was hoping to get through it. And
you know, he even said postgame that when he's he's
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sitting there alone on the bench, you know, they've already
announced the other four Lakers starters, and he's sitting there
by himself, and there's twenty thousand people on top of him,
all kind of looking at him. And yes, they are
looking at the video tribute that was playing before his
name was called, but I really felt like it was one.
It was like the you know, a case of a
(15:54):
singular man in the arena and he's sitting there and
he's become he's overcome with emotion and he has to
wipe his face before he can even get up. And
as he walks through the Lakers after his name is called,
I mean, mark Eith Morris has to like grab him
and like lebron hugged him the way he'd hugged Bronni
after a tough high school game or something like.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
It was.
Speaker 11 (16:15):
It was really incredible to see the genuine emotion that's
coming out of everybody. So you know, Luca has all
that and then he goes out and scores fourteen in
the first quarter, and I think he felt a rhythm
and a familiarity with the arena. I think the retribution
and the payback probably comes in the future years, you know,
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when he's now through this part. And that's assuming that
Nico and Jason Kidd and those guys are there in
the building, you know, in future years for those games.
But I think that's when Luca will be over the
emotional part and he does have a vindictive side for sure.
I think that's a great observation on your part, But
(16:59):
I just think he was ready to use that part
of himself.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Was Nico Harrison made available to the media.
Speaker 11 (17:08):
No, No, tho, those days are largely over. You know,
guys make trades all the time, and you know, maybe
they don't even speak, you know, very short press conferences
when coaches are fired a week before the playoffs. So
(17:31):
that's a long way to say. No, he didn't address
it yesterday. He was in the building, standing there in
the tunnel listening to that.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:38):
I also want to bring up this point, if it's
okay about all of this. You know, there was another
superstar last night who had a reunion game, and that's
Anthony Davis. He's a ten time All Star, however many
gold medals, NBA Champion in any other case, last night
is about him and playing the Lakers and playing Lebron.
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But of course he's over because of the whole Lucas situation.
But every night that he's in the arena and he
listens to his home crowd chant fire Nico, he knows
it's not directed at him, but he also knows that
the trade that brought him to town is why these
fans want him gone. And as a player of his caliber,
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to just feel how upset everyone is. Essentially that he's
in the building, that's tough on him. And I think
you could see that wearing on him last night too.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
If you gave Mark Cuban a mulligan, does he sell
the majority of his interest ownership stake in this? And
because I think he still wanted to run the basketball
portion of this and maintain twenty seven percent. But if
you ask him, what do you think he would say?
Speaker 11 (18:52):
That's a tough question, Dan, just because like, even you
don't move in that kind of money. But I I
don't I don't understand what billions means and so yeah,
I mean, I I think that he he achieved the
financial goal that he had set out to achieve, and
(19:16):
and obviously he wanted some kind of freedom in that
in that way, uh in shape. But but yeah, like
if if, if he has to decide between that and
then you know, retaining control of this franchise that he
built really and built it into what it was. Yeah,
I mean I see the point. I I I think
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I'm gonna say he still does it because there there
was a reason why he made the sale. And you
have to know, you know, even if when you when
listen when when the New York Times bought the Athletic
for for a year plus two years that the two
founders were still around and and advising and doing this
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and that. But eventually, you know, ownership takes over and
there's a new plan. And that's that's how it is
with any big sale like that. So I think Mark
had to know it, and you have to be able
to live with those consequences, including the trading of the
franchise player that you that you maneuvered to get and nurture.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Talking to Joe Varden, he covers the NBA for the Athletic,
He was at the game last night in Dallas. How
threatening are the Lakers?
Speaker 11 (20:27):
Yeah, I like them because you're you're talking about Lebron
somehow playing at a A plus level, one of the
best players in the league. Lucas certainly is one of
the best players in the league. And they play so
well together, like I kind of knew they would, and
I actually I think there is some writing somewhere that
(20:48):
backs that up. So this isn't hindsight. They're playing great
and then you know, you trade away Anthony Davis, so
you say they got smaller. But also like Jared Vanderbilt
is finally healthy and he's super long, and Ruy Hashimura
is is healthy and he's super long. So you're playing
those two and Lebron is playing a traditional four, uh
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sometimes a small five. You know, Jackson Hayes has been okay,
and then you have Austin Reeves who is really blossomed
into the scorer and the playmaker or that they need.
So you know, we always talk about experience, and that
is the one bugaboo that's that that Oklahoma City has.
They've only won one playoff series, you know, for as
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great as they've been the last two regular seasons and
if experience matters, you obviously have Lebron. We don't need
to go over his credentials.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And then you have the.
Speaker 11 (21:42):
Key representative for the Western Conference in last year's finals
and Lucas. So yeah, I mean they're I mean that
they're a tough out for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
How threatening are the Warriors?
Speaker 11 (21:55):
I mean, I hate to be a prisoner of the moment,
but last night's stunk. You know, they've been tremendous since
they acquired Jimmy. The trade did exactly what the organization
wanted to do. It gave Steph some breathing room, It
injected some life in there. And now you're talking about
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them like, you know, flashing their finals and championship credentials.
And then they go and they lose to San Antonio
last night on a buzzer beater. And now if the
playoffs were today, they wouldn't be in them. They'd have
to play their way in via the play in. So
I you know, when when Boston got to the finals
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with e May a couple of years ago, at in February,
they were in seventh place and they they rocketed up.
So so I don't want to say that that isn't possible,
But I'm always going to pump the brakes on a
team that's been between sixth place and eighth or ninth
for most of the year.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Who's your MVP?
Speaker 11 (23:00):
My MVP is Shay Gilgess, Alexander, and I understand the
year that Nicola is having. You could certainly make the
case arguably that statistically he's better this year than he
has been in years where he's won it. Shay is
the best player on the best team and has certainly
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built his case in any number of ways. And then,
on top of that, in a year where ownership decides
that this that the performance of the team is so
objectionable that you have to fire the coach a week
before the season's over, the MVP is not on your team.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
But I think most analysts will say the best player
on the planet is Nicola Jokic.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yeah, I would say that, And I mean, I don't
know how many times I voted. This is my eleventh
season doing this on on this kind of stage, so
I've had a lot of votes. I admit that I,
along with most of my colleague struggle is to what
the what valuable means? Are we talking about the best player.
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Are we talking about the team? Who is who are
the player who's the most important?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know?
Speaker 11 (24:19):
I think it comes and goes. There was a year
where we voted for us because he averaged a triple double.
There were years where Lebron didn't get it when he
was obviously the best player in the league. So I
think it's probably gonna go that way. I don't think
it'll be unanimous. Nicole is a tremendous player, but I
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just I think there. I think when you consider where
the Nuggets are right now and the everything they're going through,
and then where the thunder are and why, I think
I think that's that's the that's the decider for me.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And I wonder about this with Joker moving forward, who's
going to be the coach and what's going to be
the philosophy. He's thirty years of age, He's got a
couple of years left on this deal. But and we
had somebody on yesterday who said that he thinks he's
a loyal He's like Dirk Novinsky, like he's loyal to
the franchise. But I wonder, can you see a scenario
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where Joker says, hey, I want out?
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Well, I mean the way the last several years have
gone in the league. The short answer is, of course,
did a little reporting on this last night, not talking
to Nicola. He would be a hard guy to get
to get a hold up on the phone. But people
who you know, who are around that team and and
sort of trade in the in the business of knowing
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these things, suggests that that Nicola is not looking to
get out, and that isn't reacting to the firing of
the only coach he's played for as a kind of
a how dare you think? You know, I think that
there was some frustration on his part too about the
direction of the team, And so yeah, I do view
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Nicolea as a player who does or could anyway stay
in Denver for his entire career. I mean, I think
if if they get into a situation where it's clear
that they are going to regress and be in the
lottery for a while, I mean, that's not something anybody
wants to do. But you know, he Nicolea is very
set in his life and what matters to him. You know,
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he enjoys going back to Serbia in the summers. You know,
not that Denver is a tiny market or whatever you
want to say about it like it's not. But we
could also easily say Nicole is not like lusting for
New York or LA or Miami or anything like that.
So I you know, I've always said that Lebron will
end his career in Los Angeles, and I'm going to
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be in the boat of Nicole is not looking to
push his way out of Denver in the near future.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Great stuff, Thank you, Joe. Great to talk to you again.
Speaker 11 (27:00):
Great to see you. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's Joe Varden, who covers the NBA for The Athletic.
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Dwight Howard He'll be inducted into the Basketball Hall of
Fame coming up in September. Former NBA champ, three time
Defensive Player of the Year, five time All NBA First
Team Dwight, how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Man and bless man?
Speaker 10 (27:32):
I'm so happy and thankful to be back on your
show again. He ever did it show in a while.
I think the last time I did it so I
was actually Orlando. I was driving in my car. He
was like, hey, he turned down music a little bit
so we can hear you.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
What was your reaction when you got the call for
the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Man, I cried so hard.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
It was just like the first day as soon as
he got as I got the call, seeing the name
the Nation Basketball Hall of Fame calling my phone, you know,
seeing that and then hearing them actually say you have
made it in to one out of four hundred and
fifty six people who have been in the.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Hall of Fame for basketball.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
I just every memory of basketball that started, my youngest memory,
shooting on my first basketball go watching my magic justin tapes,
and then just the tears start flowing, and man, there's
just this an incredible journey with a lot of ups
and downs, but to make it to basketball heaven is
(28:41):
for me.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
It's everything.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What would you be like, what kind of player if
you were coming into the NBA now, given the way
the NBA.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Is, Oh, man, what kind of player would I be? Well?
Speaker 10 (28:55):
I feel like my time in Orlando I was very
unstoppable with office and then the sound that I played.
I believe that if I was playing now, I would
still be a dominant player, top five center.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I believe in the league if I was playing right now.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, the game has changed so much with the perimeter.
And I knew you grew up idolizing magic, but maybe
you would have geared your game to be more perimeter based.
I mean, we got seven footers playing on the perimeter
all that.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Look, that's true.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
Actually, when I started playing basketball, I didn't play center.
I didn't play center actually until I got to the NBA.
Uh So, when I got to the NBA, that's when
my positions hanged. Then back then, there were no stretch fards,
there were no stress no stress fives.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It was only dirt and the whiskey.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
And the next person close to him that was shooting
that much was Sem Duncan, and he was shooting more
so off the glass shots and free.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Throw line and air shots.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
And I remember the last conversation I had with Kobe
before we joined team. Uh it was what he wanted
me to work on, was those free throw line and
then jump shots and stuff like that. But today's game,
well today's game, and when I was coming up in
the game, that shot was taken out. Uh So, now
I would be a perimeter bass player, and that'll be
(30:18):
a lot of fun. I'd get to show people my
other skills and the skills that I've had growing up,
and I go back to just being.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
A kid again.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
How tough was Kobe on you?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I would say he was that tough on me? What?
What like? People would assume because I was a hard worker,
you know, it wasn't. I wasn't somebody that he had
to worry.
Speaker 10 (30:37):
About getting in the gym, working hard in the games
and stuff like that. I just think we just at
the time, we was in two different places in life
and we didn't see how to eye.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
We didn't give each other a chance to see how
to But are you living?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You learn if I gave you a mulligan on getting
out of Orlando, would you have still left Orlando and
gone to the Lakers? Uh?
Speaker 10 (31:07):
My intentions was not to go to the Lakers after Orlando.
I now do it what I know now. Leaving Orlando
taught me many lessons in life that I needed, and
I feel like if I would have stayed in Orlando,
(31:28):
maybe I wouldn't have learned those same lessons.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
And it's just how you look at it, you know.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
I hate the fact that I did have to leave Orlando,
that was my first home. But I believe that everything
happens I was exactly supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
And I can't question fate.
Speaker 10 (31:47):
The only thing I'm glad about is that it led
me to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Most physical player you ever played against?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Was who? Most physical player of it?
Speaker 10 (32:02):
From Minnesota? You father was the strongest player that I
could say. I played this really okay, the most out
more than anybody else.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
What was your welcome to the NBA moment?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Welcome to the NBA moment? Oh, Kobe Bryant duncan on me.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Well, you're not alone in that category there, Dwight.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
Well, that was It was a funny one because I
remember actually Brian Grant, he actually after that play he said,
welcome to the league. I'm telling And I couldn't wait
to dunk on him back or block his side or something.
So we played against him in Atlanta Hawks. I took
it personally to just try to destroy him.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Did Kobe say anything to you when he dunked on you?
Speaker 10 (32:52):
Uh? He just said in an interview that he baptized
me and he woke me up in actuality he did.
That was so embarrassed, and I was like, I gotta
block everybody's dunk.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I put it.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Everybody to the ground, and I'm gonna go get me
a defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
So it did wake me up. He baptized.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He had forty one in that game.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Jesus Spice, we must have had the thirty eight thirty eight,
thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Mescribe who is the best player you faced?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
The best player that our face?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Ooh we.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Best player that our face? Oh my goodness?
Speaker 10 (33:36):
Uh skill wise or do you mean like overall overall?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Just best player? Like that guy is he's different?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Oh? Man? Uh? Well, obviously covid Kobe.
Speaker 10 (33:55):
Did a shot in the finals and I'll never forget
the shot. He was driving to the basket and he
went up and I put my hands up to try
to block the shot, and he took the ball between
my arms and then brought it back, came back up
and then shot the shock.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
It was. It was incredible.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
After that moment, I was like this, that's the coldest
player that ever played me.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You think you and Shaq will ever be friends?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yes? We Actually I saw him in Orlando.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
Actually after I was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
I was out at a restaurant eating with my family
and my friends, and the owner said that Shaq was
actually at the restaurant, and I said, I'm going to
go talk to him, and everybody was like what I said, Yes,
(34:48):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Go talk to him.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I got up, went over to where he was at,
shook his hand. After we have a minute the loan
and we had a real good conversation and I was
very happy about it. We express some things, and yeah,
the next time you see both of us together, we'll
talk about the stuff that we had a sit down about.
(35:13):
But it was a really good talk and I'm glad
that the universe everything worked out perfectly for us to
be in Orlando at the same place at the same time.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
I'm a conversation.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
But when did it go south or sideways between you two?
Speaker 10 (35:29):
I have no clue. I really believe that it was
outside noise and people. He say, she says stuff like that,
and then now I make both of us irritated. So
when I hear something on TV that he says, I'm
pissed off about it and I'm responded to him and
vice versa. And to be honest, I'm just just like, man,
(35:52):
we're too old for this. You know, we have children,
we have people who look up to us, and you know,
we both need a lot to a lot of people
in this world. We both does some amazing things, and
you know we don't need this. I don't. I don't
like it. I grew up watching Sack. I respect him
as a player and a man in a businessman that
(36:13):
he is. When his father passed away years back, it's
one of the first people to reach out because I
knew how much that, you.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Know, losing his father. You know, it was hurting him. Man.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
I really as a as a young man, you know,
looking up to smiling.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Like you know, shagers, like my big brother. So we
just had to miss some seton.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, I thought it was. You were both in Orlando,
both had Superman nickname. You end up following in his
footsteps to the Lakers. So it's maybe he was thinking
you were following in his footsteps, trying to be like Shaq,
and for some reason he had a problem with that.
That's all I how I viewed it.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Yeah, well I wouldn't.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
So my thing is this, also, if someone is trying
to follow in my foot steps, that means to me
that first that's an honor, that's a humbling and that
means that I've done such a great job with my
life and my career that somebody wants to follow in
those footsteps. So I don't see anything wrong with that. No, now,
(37:16):
I did not do that. It's just everything seemed to
pan out like it was a mirror image of Shaq's
life and career. We're both tall, we're both funny, we're
both comedians, like to have fun, dance, we both tunked
the ball a lot. With both dominant centers. I understand
that we both say we're superman, So I get it.
(37:37):
If I am following his footsteps, I should.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
I would love that. You know, Shack has saved a
way for so many big men.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
He's done an amazing job, So you know that's amazing
to follow in the footsteps were one of the greatest,
most dominant big men to ever play.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Who's gonna present you at the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Ah?
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Well, I would love Kevin Gardinett h Keem, Elijah One,
and Shaquille O'Neill to walk me in. If it's not Shaquille,
if he can't do it, Mark Jackson.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Wait, have you reached out to these guys? Are you
reaching out to them now?
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (38:16):
Yes, I have to reach back out to Mark Jackson.
Mark Jackson's story about him. I met him in high
school at the Top one hundred camp and I asked
him could he meet me every morning at around six
point thirty to work out before a camp started.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
And he thought I was playing around and I wasn't
going to show up.
Speaker 10 (38:36):
I told him I was serious about being the number
one pick and the best player in the Nations.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I was there every morning. He was there every morning.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
That helped me get better, and I remember that they
really helped shape the mold before the NBA. So you know,
I would love for him to, you know, walk me in,
but I don't. I said, I think it's players who
have made it into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay, yeah, I mean it sounds like you got a
posse there, not just one person, Dwight so Shack, Kevin Garnett, Cheam,
Elijah Well, you got to pick one. I don't know.
Can you have three?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
I think you can have two?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
My favorite player all time is what Chamberins, So if
he could do it, I would love what Chaman would
be there.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
That's my favorite player.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Uh So, yeah, well that's not gonna happen. So I
think it would be awesome. I mean, if Will Chamberlain
walks you in, hey, that'll be a pretty great moment.
He's been dead for a long time. Dwight, I think
sha Shack walking you in would be awesome. That would
(39:48):
be pretty special to see you two walk in together.
Hopefully you would.
Speaker 10 (39:53):
It would it would be very special, not only because
of all the noise that overall years. People would love that.
But one thing we both say is people would love
to see us fight, and we're not fighting, we don't
need to fight. But the moment that people would really
love to see is I think that moment right there,
(40:14):
and it shows that we have mature in a lot
of different ways. We're able to squash whatever beef people
to say we're having. And you know, he's inducted me
into that level, that that space that he's always pushed
me at every single time he's been uh, you know
the shows that T and T stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
So just to see him do that, I think it'd
be really awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And this I'm gonna script this for you. You and
Shoq walk in and then you open up your jackets
and you got Superman T shirts.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
On Ah, that would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
All right, we just got to get Shock on board.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's it. We we get we got a little bit
of time. You got a couple of I think we
got some time.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I will start working on sending us a more message
and see if.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
The work well. More importantly, congratulations on all of this,
and thanks for joining.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Us, Thanks for having me man. I don't know if
you know I'll be joining the Big Three this year.
Play some Big.
Speaker 10 (41:21):
Three basketball with ice Cube and if you have any
players that's interested in playing. And I have my whole
professional league in Asia. It's called the Asian Tournament. We're
having a draft April eleventh and April twelve this month
coming up. We have twelve teams in our league and
we want to expand it and get more guys in
(41:43):
America and the States opportunities to play in a national ball.
Get an awesome job for me my career, and I
can do an amazing job of the guys I love
to give him that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Can cbe play anymore? I mean, he messed around and
got a triple double Dwight, which I don't know if
he really did. Dwight, he kept his own stats in
a pickup game.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
You are, let me fet so good?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Can Cube still? Can Cube play?
Speaker 5 (42:20):
He can still play?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
That's why he had it the four point four point shot.
Oh man, uh, good luck with all of this, and again,
rats and thanks for joining.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Us, thanks for having man. I have an awesome day.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
That's Dwight Howard going to be inducted into the Basketball
Hall of Fame.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thunder up to sixty six wins and Luca and the
Lakers steal the headlines last night as he goes for
forty five. And it's one of those nights where you're
not quite sure emotionally how locked in you can be.
If you're Luca, You're going back. Are you sad? Are
you angry? Are you excited? The wave of emotions here.
(00:26):
In fact, Luca was asked about that last night after
the game.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It was a little bit of both, you know, happy
and angry. But you know, it's nice to see some
familiar faces here. You know, I spent a lot of
times with them, Like you said, you know, it was
a lot of emotions. When I woke up, I was
tired and I didn't sleep much. I'm excited about this game,
and you know, I really fichet the fence the way
they reacted it to me.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And I thought they were going to give him a
standing ovation. I thought they'd cheer him every time he
got the ball. It was a home game of sorts
for Luke on the road, and the fans made sure
that he was welcomed. He felt that way and it's
not the same, but it's compartmentalizing. When Brett Farbe's father
died and then Farv went out and had that unbelievable
Nunday night game, I think against the Raiders, and he
(01:15):
just needed to have that escape from what happened with
his father. Well, Luca is not exactly escaping. He's walking
right into this. He's walking right into where it started.
And then he was not so politely asked to leave.
And the fact that the GM Nico Harrison is in
the building, fans are chanting fire Nico, and the over
(01:38):
under was thirty and a half points for Luca and
he blew by that in the first half. He had
thirty one and a halftime. But it was great to
see that. And you can't forget about the Lakers are
trying to get the number three seats, so you've got
to make sure you win the game. Don't get caught
up in the emotion of it. Make sure you win
(02:00):
the game. But he drops forty five, they win by fifteen,
and you know this is what's going to be. I
guess ask of Luca the rest of his career being
a leader, being mature, because you know Lebron's got how
many more years left? Then it's Luca's team. And what
(02:20):
you want to see is that maturity that I can
be a leader. We know he can be a great player,
it's now what are you going to be? Great players
are always adding to their games, whether it's something that
is tangible or something that you know, maybe not so
much in being a leader, a leader on the court
(02:41):
off the court. And yes, do I have I said
things about his passion getting caught up in little things. Yes,
and maybe that's something that he needs to have. There's
certain players that like to have. It's almost like there's
a pebble in your shoe. You're never quite comfortable and
jawing with officials, jawing with fans. I hope he grows
(03:04):
out of that. He might not, But to be able
to put up these kind of numbers and remind us
too of just how great he can be in a
big moment was pretty impressive last night. All right, seton
poll question today eight seven seven three DP show operators
sitting by taking your phone calls, and we'll get to
those coming up. So what do you have for a
(03:26):
pole question?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Here's one from Paul. If you gave Mark Cuban A
Mulligan dot dot H. I'm assuming this is Mavericks related
and perhaps selling his a big chunk of a team.
Do you think he would still do that?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I don't know how much money he made. I don't know.
I don't know what he wants to do. So he
has a couple of billion now, I think he owned
twenty seven percent of the maps. Would he have kept
the team and become and not sold it so he
doesn't get rid of Luka Dantis?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It feels like he wants to divest himself from being
an owner. He was the face of the Dallas Mavericks.
He was there in his jeans, in his Dallas jersey
and T shirt and he's on the bench. Feels like
he's got bigger plans like politics, But then you know
they're trying to get gambling. They're trying to do a
whole like neighborhood there. It feels like with the arena,
(04:27):
the basketball team, the new ownership there coming in from Vegas.
But would he if he could do it again? Yeah,
I don't know, unless we had him on to be
able to be fair to him to ask that. I like,
I don't even know if I could wager a guest
to say, of course he would, because I don't know.
(04:48):
It seems like and we had Tim mcmahonnon who was
there for ESPN. He's written a book on Luca and
he said there's no way that Marek Cuban would ever
have allowed this, and I understand that I agree with that.
But and he didn't have a say in this either,
which it's strange, but you know, he owns twenty seven
(05:12):
percent of the team, I think, and they didn't run
this by him, and this might have been ownership saying, hey,
we're the ones in charge here, not our GM, not
our coach, not our former owner. We're in charge. We're
the ones that have to write a check for three
hundred and forty five million dollars, and you know what,
we're not comfortable doing that. Cuban man, that's hard to say.
(05:44):
That's a hell of an investment from that guy.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Though he bought the team for like two one hundred
and eighty five million dollars something like that, Yeah, and
then sold it for like three three point five Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, good business man he's had. His resume is spotty
in some of the decisions that he's made, but this
is a now. He was all in on Luca to
begin with, and that's why they traded for him. But
some other moves that he's made haven't gone so elegantly.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yes, seton, Yeah, I think that was an interesting point
from yesterday we were talking about that. I mean, he
had a ton of bad moves during his tenure too,
just maybe not quite this bad well though, I mean
some of them were really terrible.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yes, yes, yeah, Pauli.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Mark Cuban made an estimated three point five billion off
the sale. He still retains a twenty seven percent stake.
Dallas Morning News had an article last week where Mark
said he expected to continue to run basketball when he
sold the mask, but the NBA would not let that
be put in the contract. That's where the mulligan comes in.
He could have gotten the money and maybe still run basketball,
(06:49):
but they wouldn't allow it. I wonder if that was
his image, Like you said, that was a big part
of his image.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I think if he could have maintained control over
the basketball operations, still made his money ensure he would
want that. That's what he did want. But now they've
taken away his baby, and then somebody else is raising it,
and all of a sudden you make this move one
of the biggest moves in NBA history. And there have
been times when you know, guys have been moved. You
(07:15):
know he saw this, lou Al Sindor when he was traded,
Wilt when he was traded. So we've had these moments here,
but that's still it's still shocking when you trade somebody
who is that young. What other poll questions do we have.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Let's see what else we've got here. We've got two
from the too dub. How closely do you follow the
first round of the Masters? Okay, follow it a little bit, Yeah,
a little bit. See who gets out hot.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, the odds are and if you look history shows
that you've got to be around the top fifteen. That
you don't see too many come from behind wins, at
least some of the analysts that talked about that after
the first day. Look in the top fifteen, you'll probably
find your winner in the top fifteen the odds to win.
Scotty Scheffler, then it's Rory McElroy. Then you go to
(08:08):
John Rahm, Colin Moore, Kawa, Xander Schoffley, Bryson, de Shambeau
and Ludwig Oberg. But this is all about Rory because
he's played well this year. He needs the masters for
the career Grand Slam. Scheffler hasn't played great, but he's
the odds on favorite. And then you got John Rahm.
(08:29):
Can you dial it up? You know, can you dial
up that tension that you need to play Augusta? You
know that feeling when you're playing Augusta as opposed to
playing on the Live Tour where you're listening to music
and you're wearing shorts and really not playing for anything.
Now you're playing for everything. But this is an opportunity
(08:49):
for John Ram and Bryson de Shamba. Those are the
two favorites from the Live tour, along with Colin Moorekowa,
who a lot of people like. He played great this year.
But weather condition should be great today and I think
there's rain in the forecast. At some point. There was
another story that I saw and I don't know if
(09:11):
it's a thing or not, and that is TJ. Watt
had a social media post and he posted an image
of himself giving the peace sign from his Instagram story,
no caption, and then all of a sudden fans are wondering,
does he want to be traded? I don't know if
that's a piece out sign, But you know, he's entering
(09:35):
the final year of a four year deal, he's thirty
years of age. He's probably looking at Max Crosby and
Miles Garrett's deals and maybe he's looking to cash in.
I guess that's what I can read into this. Once again,
I don't know if it's a thing or not. Here
(09:55):
you are the Steelers, you're waiting for Aaron Rodgers. You're
gonna I think shoudoor Sanders today. And now you have
your best defensive player, your best player who just gives
a peace sign. Should we read anything into that? As
we head towards the draft, a couple of defensive players
(10:16):
getting bigger deals than his. Does he want a new
deal now? Is that what he's saying? Or is he
saying peace out? I want to be out of here,
which would surprise me because he's the face of the
Pittsburgh Steelers right now. Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
He's a huge point break fan and he's asking for
two utah, oh give me two?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, all right, I didn't factor that in.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Might be that might be the poll question, what else
could TJ.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Watt be signaling here?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
If not I want to trade?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, thirty years of age, but tied straighthand for the
most saxon a single season twenty two and a half.
I mean it's the final year of his contract, so
you should be able to cash in one more time here, Yeah, pony.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Yes, one more year in his contract. This year TJ.
Watt will make just under thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay, but I could see.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Wanting a yeah, obvious, wanting a contract now because entering
thirty two, you're not going to get the monster contract.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
I don't think even if even if the production is there. Okay,
so is he asking out do you trade TJ.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Watt? And uh? Once again, I don't know if it's
a thing or not, but it felt like people were
making it into a thing. And granted, it's the Steelers
and you don't know what they're doing. You don't know,
you know, are they going to draft a quarterback at
twenty one? Is Roger's going to go there? And now
you have this. If you're Mike Tomlin, you're like, come on,
(11:57):
I need something positive to happen here. Yeah, Paul, maybe
he put up two fingers. Last year we had two quarterbacks.
Right now we basically have zero. I'm going deep dive, okay, okay, yeah,
but you know it's all about timing that Miles Garrett
was up and Max Crosby was up and they got
bigger deals. Okay, if you're TJ. Watt, just play this
(12:19):
year and then sign your contract extension. Yes, Tom, Let's give.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Aaron Rodgers two more days or two more weeks at
deciding what he's doing, and then we've got to move
on because this is getting embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I see what you're doing. Okay, yeah, I don't know
if there's something there or not, but it just felt
like it's the NFL. It's the Steelers heading into the draft.
Aaron Rodgers should or Sanders going to be there today.
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Speaker 2 (13:57):
Joe Varden covering the NBA for the Athletic He was
at the Lakers MAVs game last night, joining us from Dallas.
How would you describe the atmosphere Joe, Well.
Speaker 11 (14:09):
I've been to a few reunion games, including Klay Thompson's
as a member of the Mavericks at Golden State this year,
and I've never seen anything like this. There really wasn't
a boo to be heard, and the Lakers always get
booed on the road, but every time that Luca had
the ball, there was a roar. Every time he scored,
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it was louder now. At the same time, there was
an incredible sense of negativity and frustration and anger in
the form of when either team was at the foul line,
fans are channing fire Nico for general manager Nico Harrison,
who made this trade. So yeah, I mean, you know,
Lebron's talking about this afterwards. I mean, if you think
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about all the reunion games that he's been a part
of and how emotional they were for different reasons, he
was saying that it was a cool moment that he'll
remember for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What kind of message do you think Luca wanted to
send last night?
Speaker 11 (15:11):
You know, I think that Luca is an introspective, sensitive
young man and I mean that in the best way,
and I don't think he was looking to send a message.
I think he was hoping to get through it. And
you know, he even said postgame that when he's he's
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sitting there alone on the bench, you know, they've already
announced the other four Lakers starters, and he's sitting there
by himself, and there's twenty thousand people on top of him,
all kind of looking at him. And yes, they are
looking at the video tribute that was playing before his
name was called, but I really felt like it was one.
It was like the you know, a case of a
(15:54):
singular man in the arena and he's sitting there and
he's become he's overcome with emotion and he has to
wipe his face before he can even get up. And
as he walks through the Lakers after his name is called,
I mean, mark Eith Morris has to like grab him
and like lebron hugged him the way he'd hugged Bronni
after a tough high school game or something like.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
It was.
Speaker 11 (16:15):
It was really incredible to see the genuine emotion that's
coming out of everybody. So you know, Luca has all
that and then he goes out and scores fourteen in
the first quarter, and I think he felt a rhythm
and a familiarity with the arena. I think the retribution
and the payback probably comes in the future years, you know,
(16:38):
when he's now through this part. And that's assuming that
Nico and Jason Kidd and those guys are there in
the building, you know, in future years for those games.
But I think that's when Luca will be over the
emotional part and he does have a vindictive side for sure.
I think that's a great observation on your part, But
(16:59):
I just think he was ready to use that part
of himself.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Was Nico Harrison made available to the media.
Speaker 11 (17:08):
No, No, tho, those days are largely over. You know,
guys make trades all the time, and you know, maybe
they don't even speak, you know, very short press conferences
when coaches are fired a week before the playoffs. So
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that's a long way to say. No, he didn't address
it yesterday. He was in the building, standing there in
the tunnel listening to that.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
You know.
Speaker 11 (17:38):
I also want to bring up this point, if it's
okay about all of this. You know, there was another
superstar last night who had a reunion game, and that's
Anthony Davis. He's a ten time All Star, however many
gold medals, NBA Champion in any other case, last night
is about him and playing the Lakers and playing Lebron.
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But of course he's over because of the whole Lucas situation.
But every night that he's in the arena and he
listens to his home crowd chant fire Nico, he knows
it's not directed at him, but he also knows that
the trade that brought him to town is why these
fans want him gone. And as a player of his caliber,
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to just feel how upset everyone is. Essentially that he's
in the building, that's tough on him. And I think
you could see that wearing on him last night too.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
If you gave Mark Cuban a mulligan, does he sell
the majority of his interest ownership stake in this? And
because I think he still wanted to run the basketball
portion of this and maintain twenty seven percent. But if
you ask him, what do you think he would say?
Speaker 11 (18:52):
That's a tough question, Dan, just because like, even you
don't move in that kind of money. But I I
don't I don't understand what billions means and so yeah,
I mean, I I think that he he achieved the
financial goal that he had set out to achieve, and
(19:16):
and obviously he wanted some kind of freedom in that
in that way, uh in shape. But but yeah, like
if if, if he has to decide between that and
then you know, retaining control of this franchise that he
built really and built it into what it was. Yeah,
I mean I see the point. I I I think
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I'm gonna say he still does it because there there
was a reason why he made the sale. And you
have to know, you know, even if when you when
listen when when the New York Times bought the Athletic
for for a year plus two years that the two
founders were still around and and advising and doing this
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and that. But eventually, you know, ownership takes over and
there's a new plan. And that's that's how it is
with any big sale like that. So I think Mark
had to know it, and you have to be able
to live with those consequences, including the trading of the
franchise player that you that you maneuvered to get and nurture.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Talking to Joe Varden, he covers the NBA for the Athletic,
He was at the game last night in Dallas. How
threatening are the Lakers?
Speaker 11 (20:27):
Yeah, I like them because you're you're talking about Lebron
somehow playing at a A plus level, one of the
best players in the league. Lucas certainly is one of
the best players in the league. And they play so
well together, like I kind of knew they would, and
I actually I think there is some writing somewhere that
(20:48):
backs that up. So this isn't hindsight. They're playing great
and then you know, you trade away Anthony Davis, so
you say they got smaller. But also like Jared Vanderbilt
is finally healthy and he's super long, and Ruy Hashimura
is is healthy and he's super long. So you're playing
those two and Lebron is playing a traditional four, uh
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sometimes a small five. You know, Jackson Hayes has been okay,
and then you have Austin Reeves who is really blossomed
into the scorer and the playmaker or that they need.
So you know, we always talk about experience, and that
is the one bugaboo that's that that Oklahoma City has.
They've only won one playoff series, you know, for as
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great as they've been the last two regular seasons and
if experience matters, you obviously have Lebron. We don't need
to go over his credentials.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And then you have the.
Speaker 11 (21:42):
Key representative for the Western Conference in last year's finals
and Lucas. So yeah, I mean they're I mean that
they're a tough out for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
How threatening are the Warriors?
Speaker 11 (21:55):
I mean, I hate to be a prisoner of the moment,
but last night's stunk. You know, they've been tremendous since
they acquired Jimmy. The trade did exactly what the organization
wanted to do. It gave Steph some breathing room, It
injected some life in there. And now you're talking about
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them like, you know, flashing their finals and championship credentials.
And then they go and they lose to San Antonio
last night on a buzzer beater. And now if the
playoffs were today, they wouldn't be in them. They'd have
to play their way in via the play in. So
I you know, when when Boston got to the finals
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with e May a couple of years ago, at in February,
they were in seventh place and they they rocketed up.
So so I don't want to say that that isn't possible,
But I'm always going to pump the brakes on a
team that's been between sixth place and eighth or ninth
for most of the year.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Who's your MVP?
Speaker 11 (23:00):
My MVP is Shay Gilgess, Alexander, and I understand the
year that Nicola is having. You could certainly make the
case arguably that statistically he's better this year than he
has been in years where he's won it. Shay is
the best player on the best team and has certainly
(23:21):
built his case in any number of ways. And then,
on top of that, in a year where ownership decides
that this that the performance of the team is so
objectionable that you have to fire the coach a week
before the season's over, the MVP is not on your team.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
But I think most analysts will say the best player
on the planet is Nicola Jokic.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yeah, I would say that, And I mean, I don't
know how many times I voted. This is my eleventh
season doing this on on this kind of stage, so
I've had a lot of votes. I admit that I,
along with most of my colleague struggle is to what
the what valuable means? Are we talking about the best player.
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Are we talking about the team? Who is who are
the player who's the most important?
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know?
Speaker 11 (24:19):
I think it comes and goes. There was a year
where we voted for us because he averaged a triple double.
There were years where Lebron didn't get it when he
was obviously the best player in the league. So I
think it's probably gonna go that way. I don't think
it'll be unanimous. Nicole is a tremendous player, but I
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just I think there. I think when you consider where
the Nuggets are right now and the everything they're going through,
and then where the thunder are and why, I think
I think that's that's the that's the decider for me.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And I wonder about this with Joker moving forward, who's
going to be the coach and what's going to be
the philosophy. He's thirty years of age, He's got a
couple of years left on this deal. But and we
had somebody on yesterday who said that he thinks he's
a loyal He's like Dirk Novinsky, like he's loyal to
the franchise. But I wonder, can you see a scenario
(25:17):
where Joker says, hey, I want out?
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Well, I mean the way the last several years have
gone in the league. The short answer is, of course,
did a little reporting on this last night, not talking
to Nicola. He would be a hard guy to get
to get a hold up on the phone. But people
who you know, who are around that team and and
sort of trade in the in the business of knowing
(25:42):
these things, suggests that that Nicola is not looking to
get out, and that isn't reacting to the firing of
the only coach he's played for as a kind of
a how dare you think? You know, I think that
there was some frustration on his part too about the
direction of the team, And so yeah, I do view
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Nicolea as a player who does or could anyway stay
in Denver for his entire career. I mean, I think
if if they get into a situation where it's clear
that they are going to regress and be in the
lottery for a while, I mean, that's not something anybody
wants to do. But you know, he Nicolea is very
set in his life and what matters to him. You know,
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he enjoys going back to Serbia in the summers. You know,
not that Denver is a tiny market or whatever you
want to say about it like it's not. But we
could also easily say Nicole is not like lusting for
New York or LA or Miami or anything like that.
So I you know, I've always said that Lebron will
end his career in Los Angeles, and I'm going to
(26:50):
be in the boat of Nicole is not looking to
push his way out of Denver in the near future.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Great stuff, Thank you, Joe. Great to talk to you again.
Speaker 11 (27:00):
Great to see you. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
That's Joe Varden, who covers the NBA for The Athletic.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
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Speaker 2 (27:14):
Dwight Howard He'll be inducted into the Basketball Hall of
Fame coming up in September. Former NBA champ, three time
Defensive Player of the Year, five time All NBA First
Team Dwight, how are you doing?
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Man and bless man?
Speaker 10 (27:32):
I'm so happy and thankful to be back on your
show again. He ever did it show in a while.
I think the last time I did it so I
was actually Orlando. I was driving in my car. He
was like, hey, he turned down music a little bit
so we can hear you.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
What was your reaction when you got the call for
the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Man, I cried so hard.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
It was just like the first day as soon as
he got as I got the call, seeing the name
the Nation Basketball Hall of Fame calling my phone, you know,
seeing that and then hearing them actually say you have
made it in to one out of four hundred and
fifty six people who have been in the.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Hall of Fame for basketball.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
I just every memory of basketball that started, my youngest memory,
shooting on my first basketball go watching my magic justin tapes,
and then just the tears start flowing, and man, there's
just this an incredible journey with a lot of ups
and downs, but to make it to basketball heaven is
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for me.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
It's everything.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What would you be like, what kind of player if
you were coming into the NBA now, given the way
the NBA.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Is, Oh, man, what kind of player would I be? Well?
Speaker 10 (28:55):
I feel like my time in Orlando I was very
unstoppable with office and then the sound that I played.
I believe that if I was playing now, I would
still be a dominant player, top five center.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I believe in the league if I was playing right now.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, the game has changed so much with the perimeter.
And I knew you grew up idolizing magic, but maybe
you would have geared your game to be more perimeter based.
I mean, we got seven footers playing on the perimeter
all that.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Look, that's true.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
Actually, when I started playing basketball, I didn't play center.
I didn't play center actually until I got to the NBA.
Uh So, when I got to the NBA, that's when
my positions hanged. Then back then, there were no stretch fards,
there were no stress no stress fives.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
It was only dirt and the whiskey.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
And the next person close to him that was shooting
that much was Sem Duncan, and he was shooting more
so off the glass shots and free.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Throw line and air shots.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
And I remember the last conversation I had with Kobe
before we joined team. Uh it was what he wanted
me to work on, was those free throw line and
then jump shots and stuff like that. But today's game,
well today's game, and when I was coming up in
the game, that shot was taken out. Uh So, now
I would be a perimeter bass player, and that'll be
(30:18):
a lot of fun. I'd get to show people my
other skills and the skills that I've had growing up,
and I go back to just being.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
A kid again.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
How tough was Kobe on you?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I would say he was that tough on me? What?
What like? People would assume because I was a hard worker,
you know, it wasn't. I wasn't somebody that he had
to worry.
Speaker 10 (30:37):
About getting in the gym, working hard in the games
and stuff like that. I just think we just at
the time, we was in two different places in life
and we didn't see how to eye.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
We didn't give each other a chance to see how
to But are you living?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You learn if I gave you a mulligan on getting
out of Orlando, would you have still left Orlando and
gone to the Lakers? Uh?
Speaker 10 (31:07):
My intentions was not to go to the Lakers after Orlando.
I now do it what I know now. Leaving Orlando
taught me many lessons in life that I needed, and
I feel like if I would have stayed in Orlando,
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maybe I wouldn't have learned those same lessons.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
And it's just how you look at it, you know.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
I hate the fact that I did have to leave Orlando,
that was my first home. But I believe that everything
happens I was exactly supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
And I can't question fate.
Speaker 10 (31:47):
The only thing I'm glad about is that it led
me to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Most physical player you ever played against?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Was who? Most physical player of it?
Speaker 10 (32:02):
From Minnesota? You father was the strongest player that I
could say. I played this really okay, the most out
more than anybody else.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
What was your welcome to the NBA moment?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Welcome to the NBA moment? Oh, Kobe Bryant duncan on me.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Well, you're not alone in that category there, Dwight.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
Well, that was It was a funny one because I
remember actually Brian Grant, he actually after that play he said,
welcome to the league. I'm telling And I couldn't wait
to dunk on him back or block his side or something.
So we played against him in Atlanta Hawks. I took
it personally to just try to destroy him.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Did Kobe say anything to you when he dunked on you?
Speaker 10 (32:52):
Uh? He just said in an interview that he baptized
me and he woke me up in actuality he did.
That was so embarrassed, and I was like, I gotta
block everybody's dunk.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
I put it.
Speaker 10 (33:04):
Everybody to the ground, and I'm gonna go get me
a defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
So it did wake me up. He baptized.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
He had forty one in that game.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Jesus Spice, we must have had the thirty eight thirty eight,
thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Mescribe who is the best player you faced?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
The best player that our face?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Ooh we.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Best player that our face? Oh my goodness?
Speaker 10 (33:36):
Uh skill wise or do you mean like overall overall?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Just best player? Like that guy is he's different?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Oh? Man? Uh? Well, obviously covid Kobe.
Speaker 10 (33:55):
Did a shot in the finals and I'll never forget
the shot. He was driving to the basket and he
went up and I put my hands up to try
to block the shot, and he took the ball between
my arms and then brought it back, came back up
and then shot the shock.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
It was. It was incredible.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
After that moment, I was like this, that's the coldest
player that ever played me.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You think you and Shaq will ever be friends?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yes? We Actually I saw him in Orlando.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
Actually after I was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
I was out at a restaurant eating with my family
and my friends, and the owner said that Shaq was
actually at the restaurant, and I said, I'm going to
go talk to him, and everybody was like what I said, Yes,
(34:48):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Go talk to him.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
I got up, went over to where he was at,
shook his hand. After we have a minute the loan
and we had a real good conversation and I was
very happy about it. We express some things, and yeah,
the next time you see both of us together, we'll
talk about the stuff that we had a sit down about.
(35:13):
But it was a really good talk and I'm glad
that the universe everything worked out perfectly for us to
be in Orlando at the same place at the same time.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
I'm a conversation.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
But when did it go south or sideways between you two?
Speaker 10 (35:29):
I have no clue. I really believe that it was
outside noise and people. He say, she says stuff like that,
and then now I make both of us irritated. So
when I hear something on TV that he says, I'm
pissed off about it and I'm responded to him and
vice versa. And to be honest, I'm just just like, man,
(35:52):
we're too old for this. You know, we have children,
we have people who look up to us, and you know,
we both need a lot to a lot of people
in this world. We both does some amazing things, and
you know we don't need this. I don't. I don't
like it. I grew up watching Sack. I respect him
as a player and a man in a businessman that
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he is. When his father passed away years back, it's
one of the first people to reach out because I
knew how much that, you.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Know, losing his father. You know, it was hurting him. Man.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
I really as a as a young man, you know,
looking up to smiling.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Like you know, shagers, like my big brother. So we
just had to miss some seton.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, I thought it was. You were both in Orlando,
both had Superman nickname. You end up following in his
footsteps to the Lakers. So it's maybe he was thinking
you were following in his footsteps, trying to be like Shaq,
and for some reason he had a problem with that.
That's all I how I viewed it.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Yeah, well I wouldn't.
Speaker 10 (36:56):
So my thing is this, also, if someone is trying
to follow in my foot steps, that means to me
that first that's an honor, that's a humbling and that
means that I've done such a great job with my
life and my career that somebody wants to follow in
those footsteps. So I don't see anything wrong with that. No, now,
(37:16):
I did not do that. It's just everything seemed to
pan out like it was a mirror image of Shaq's
life and career. We're both tall, we're both funny, we're
both comedians, like to have fun, dance, we both tunked
the ball a lot. With both dominant centers. I understand
that we both say we're superman, So I get it.
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If I am following his footsteps, I should.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
I would love that. You know, Shack has saved a
way for so many big men.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
He's done an amazing job, So you know that's amazing
to follow in the footsteps were one of the greatest,
most dominant big men to ever play.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Who's gonna present you at the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Ah?
Speaker 10 (37:56):
Well, I would love Kevin Gardinett h Keem, Elijah One,
and Shaquille O'Neill to walk me in. If it's not Shaquille,
if he can't do it, Mark Jackson.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Wait, have you reached out to these guys? Are you
reaching out to them now?
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (38:16):
Yes, I have to reach back out to Mark Jackson.
Mark Jackson's story about him. I met him in high
school at the Top one hundred camp and I asked
him could he meet me every morning at around six
point thirty to work out before a camp started.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
And he thought I was playing around and I wasn't
going to show up.
Speaker 10 (38:36):
I told him I was serious about being the number
one pick and the best player in the Nations.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
I was there every morning. He was there every morning.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
That helped me get better, and I remember that they
really helped shape the mold before the NBA. So you know,
I would love for him to, you know, walk me in,
but I don't. I said, I think it's players who
have made it into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Okay, yeah, I mean it sounds like you got a
posse there, not just one person, Dwight so Shack, Kevin Garnett, Cheam,
Elijah Well, you got to pick one. I don't know.
Can you have three?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
I think you can have two?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
My favorite player all time is what Chamberins, So if
he could do it, I would love what Chaman would
be there.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
That's my favorite player.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Uh So, yeah, well that's not gonna happen. So I
think it would be awesome. I mean, if Will Chamberlain
walks you in, hey, that'll be a pretty great moment.
He's been dead for a long time. Dwight, I think
sha Shack walking you in would be awesome. That would
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be pretty special to see you two walk in together.
Hopefully you would.
Speaker 10 (39:53):
It would it would be very special, not only because
of all the noise that overall years. People would love that.
But one thing we both say is people would love
to see us fight, and we're not fighting, we don't
need to fight. But the moment that people would really
love to see is I think that moment right there,
(40:14):
and it shows that we have mature in a lot
of different ways. We're able to squash whatever beef people
to say we're having. And you know, he's inducted me
into that level, that that space that he's always pushed
me at every single time he's been uh, you know
the shows that T and T stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
So just to see him do that, I think it'd
be really awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And this I'm gonna script this for you. You and
Shoq walk in and then you open up your jackets
and you got Superman T shirts.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
On Ah, that would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
All right, we just got to get Shock on board.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's it. We we get we got a little bit
of time. You got a couple of I think we
got some time.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
I will start working on sending us a more message
and see if.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
The work well. More importantly, congratulations on all of this,
and thanks for joining.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Us, Thanks for having me man. I don't know if
you know I'll be joining the Big Three this year.
Play some Big.
Speaker 10 (41:21):
Three basketball with ice Cube and if you have any
players that's interested in playing. And I have my whole
professional league in Asia. It's called the Asian Tournament. We're
having a draft April eleventh and April twelve this month
coming up. We have twelve teams in our league and
we want to expand it and get more guys in
(41:43):
America and the States opportunities to play in a national ball.
Get an awesome job for me my career, and I
can do an amazing job of the guys I love
to give him that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Can cbe play anymore? I mean, he messed around and
got a triple double Dwight, which I don't know if
he really did. Dwight, he kept his own stats in
a pickup game.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
You are, let me fet so good?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Can Cube still? Can Cube play?
Speaker 5 (42:20):
He can still play?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
That's why he had it the four point four point shot.
Oh man, uh, good luck with all of this, and again,
rats and thanks for joining.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Us, thanks for having man. I have an awesome day.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
That's Dwight Howard going to be inducted into the Basketball
Hall of Fame.
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Dan Patrick
Patrick "Seton" O'Connor
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