May 28, 2026 • 54 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP and the Danettes preview a potential series-clinching game 6 tonight between the Thunder and the Spurs. NBA on NBC lead PxP voice Mike Tirico quickly shuts down the growing dynasty conversation surrounding the Thunder, and sees Wemby skipping media availability as a learning moment. NBC Sports MLB analyst Joey Votto shares stories of life after baseball, and looks back on facing Shohei Ohtani in the box.
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later on as well. Game six tonight, the Thunder a
slight underdog against the Spurs. I have a weird feeling
about this game. I would like to see the Spurs
win to force a Game seven, but I don't know.
(01:37):
It just feels even though the Thunder are banged up
and I expect Wemby to have a Wemby game, be aggressive,
but even though the Spurs are favored, slight favorite, it's
just one of those weird feelings that I have, not
that I'm willing to tell. Guys on the Gambling Podcast
later today, Dylan and Shay and Irving and even Big
(01:58):
Day Ray. But man, I might take the three and
a half and the Okac Thunder. I know we want
to put teams into dynasty categories, and you know, the
definition of a dynasty has changed, and it changes in sports.
Just going back to back in the NFL makes you
a dynasty. It feels like or if you win three
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in the span of five years or six years, or
two in the span of five years, and it's you know,
you kind of border on a dynasty. The Patriots had
a couple of dynasties at the beginning and the end
of Tom Brady's career. Basketball are the OKAC thunder bordering
on being a dynasty. I think you have to have
(02:43):
three to be a dynasty. Man, it can be three
and five years, maybe two and four, depending on what
you do on those other years. But I don't know.
I'm kind of a hardliner when it comes to what
is a dynasty and if it's in the sixties. So
the Celtics were a dynasty. UCLA Basketball like, we're not
going to have that ever again. Therefore we have to
(03:05):
change the definition. And when you think about OKAC, we
look at them and we go, man, they're invincible. Well,
Denver pushed them to seven games last year. Indiana dragged
them to another seven game battle in the finals. San
Antonio is trying to take them to seven games, so
it's not like they're unbelievable, like, oh my goodness, I
(03:28):
know Michael Jordan and the Bulls never got to a
game seven, and they were a dynasty. They had two dynasties,
three in a row, pause, three in a row dynasty.
You can look at the Lakers with what they did
with Shaq and Kobe, maybe, you know, dynasty dynastic baseball,
we might look at it differently. I feel like the
(03:50):
Dodgers kind of have that dynasty feel to them. What's
the official definition of a dynasty, PAULI.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, it's not exactly the dictionary, but there's a couple
of sports ish websites that have broke this down. An
individual or a team that completely dominates a sport or
a league for an extended period of time. A couple
other notes, you need at least two titles, at least
in a five year period. Otherwise they would say that's
a run.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But as OKC dominated, Like, this isn't fifteen to one Lakers.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
But their regular season win differential has been the best
in the league for three straight years. They beat people
during the regular season.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, but there are teams that are built for the
regular season, and there are a lot of teams and
coaches who don't really care about the regular season. I
go back to Greg Popovich, they had a dynasty. He
did not care about the regular season. He cared about
what happened in the playoffs. The nineties Yankees dynasty. I
(04:49):
would say, you know, different decades with the Yankees dynasty,
Montreal Canadians, different years, dynasties. So it does happen. But
I think it feels like we want to put okay
See in the fast lane to be a dynasty. Even
if you go back to back and you have the
(05:10):
MVP back to back. I don't view them as a dynasty.
I view them as an unbelievable organization. But the following
season would probably help me define Okayc's place in history.
And I know okay See fans get upset whenever I
say something about Shay or what like. You got to
(05:30):
stop with the oh woe is me? Small market? Okay,
all the NBA they only cater to If we play
the Knicks. The Knicks are going to get all the
cult like, stop, don't do the O Woe is Me?
Just go out there and root, but don't give me
the all big market small market is oka see good
for the NBA, No big markets are, but they're still
(05:54):
a great team. So you can say, hey, I don't
care what the NBA wants. They want san Antonio against
the Knicks. Okay, so what go win the game tonight?
Drive the NBA crazy or the fans crazy.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna have to disagree because I think
that's the old way of thinking where we're thinking about
small small market teams.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I think it's more about the star.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
If they had a star, if it was like Steph Curry,
it doesn't matter where he's playing if he's on a
really good team, And it doesn't matter about the market,
especially in this day and time where the Internet runs everything,
so you really don't need a big market. But I
think it's the combination of small market plus how they play.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But if you're in a small market, you have that
inferiority complex. Whether it's true or not. It's like, oh,
we're not going to get the calls tonight, Oh they
want Wenby to go to the front. I know how
this works, Okay. I've been doing this for a long time,
and I know the small market, certainly in baseball and basketball,
not football, because that doesn't matter. But these smaller markets
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where it's they don't want us to win. OKC is
a great team, and SGA is a star ish kind
of player. He's not a video clips where you've checked
your phone in the morning. He's just not You might
get more video clips out of SGA or out of
a chet Holgern than SGA. Chances are maybe he does
(07:18):
something interesting. SGA is just methodical. It's I know exactly
what I'm going to get. It's like having the same
meal every single day and somebody says, how was it good?
Same meal? That's it. It's like there's one restaurant in
OKC and it's SGA. He's serving up what he does
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every single night against every single team. That is not
something that is must see TV. That's what the NBA
wants when you get to the finals. They want a
big audience. Wemby is you know, a different creature, and
the Knicks are going to be the Knicks, and you
get celebrities there, you get the atmosphere there, you get
you know, it's all involved there. That's what you want. Now,
(08:04):
that's not what you always get. You can't get the
you know, the Yankees against the Dodgers in the World
Series every year. If you could, Baseball would be like, yes,
we'll sign up for that. But it's tricky when it
comes to dynasties. What is a dynasty depending on the sport.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yes, Marvin, the Pistons and the Rockets, they both went
back to back, but we don't consider the dynasties. We
remember them, but they're not considered dynasties like the Lakers
and the Bulls.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yes, I think you got to win at least three
in five years. If you go, you know, a three peete,
then you're a dynasty. But it depends on the sport.
If you go back to back, like we keep talking
about the Patriots back at the beginning of you know,
this decade or a century where you go, oh, back
(08:51):
to back, that's why it doesn't happen. It's harder to
do that in the NFL than it is these other sports.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yes, Dylan, are you considering the Patriot It's two dynasties
are one continuous one obviously with a lull in between,
because I imagine, Wow, as long as Brady was there,
that's kind of one.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I would say two with a pause because they went
what ten years without winning anything, but they won, Like
you don't have that dip. Sometimes you'll have a team
that wins and then there's this dip and then they
come back win again. I would say Patriots definitely a dynasty. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Do you want to know what the longest continuous dynasty
in history is?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Ming? The Ming dynasty. They were on a run, man
Yao Ming Dynasty.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
They're up there, but it's actually the Imperial House of Japan,
the Yamato dynasty, longest continuous by blood dynasty over fifteen
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The Patriots touch that one.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And how many years were they favored?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Though? I think most of those years.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, it sounds like that. I saw withe The Arizona
Cardinals aren't favored in any game this year. That's a
left turn say, yeah, yes that the Cardinals are not
favored in any game this year. As I'm like, okay,
and you got your quarterback holding out, Jacoby Brussett. They
(10:14):
are the opposite of a dynasty, or maybe can you
be a dynasty playing poorly? Yes, Paul, A.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Couple more rules of a dynasty. Your core has to
continue during your run. Like you said about the late
nineties Yankees, you had Pasada, Bernie Williams, Jeter, the Big
four or five guys stuck around. And the other one
is lasting impact. Are they remembered like the mid seventies Steelers,
You know all the names and they last forever.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah. I think the like the Pistons, we remember them.
They're the bad boy Pistons. They won two titles, The
Celtics with Bird obviously you remember them, Lakers with Magic Showtime.
You remember them. And you might not even remember how
how many titles they won or how many titles they
won in a row, but you do remember those teams.
(11:06):
Sometimes it was about what they showed you right in
front of you on your TV, not necessarily what the
end result for each season. But yeah, it's an interesting
topic of is OKC bordering on Are they on the
brink of being a dynasty if they win a second title? Yes, Dylan?
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Is it the repeat nature of titles that's a bigger factor,
Like if you win like every other year for six years,
well not there's no repeats or three pizza or anything.
Does that still feel like a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I mean it should be.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But well depends on the sport. Like Seattle's not favored
to win the Super Bowl this year. They got maybe
the third or fourth best odds, but if they did,
I mean, that's really, really, really rare.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, Pauling, the seventy Steelers won the Super Bowl in
seventy four and seventy five. They made the playoffs and
did not make it to the super Bowl the next
two years, then they won two more Super Bowls. That's
four titles in six years.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Pure dynasty.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, and we remember those players. When you can recite
the lineup, then that usually helps you kind of lean
towards that impression, that imprint they left on your life
on the sports world.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yes, Marvin, And there's sometimes when people say dynasties, you
have to repeat I don't subscribe to that because look
at the Bird Celtics. They won an eighty one, eighty four,
and eighty six. But we consider them a dynasty because
they were always there. They were always in the hunt,
and the teams they lost to they lost the Lakers,
so there's no shame in that. And they were always competitive.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think that's what I want to see is you
don't want to have that on what happened, Oh, they
didn't make the playoffs that you know, one season. Then
they came back. But to keep it, it's harder to
keep a team together. I mean, the Celtics weren't leaving
with Bill Russell and Red Arbac. Those guys stayed. There
was no free agency. The Steelers they stayed together. Like
(13:01):
you have to look at before free agency and after
free agency and trying to keep your players together.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Yes, Mark, if the thunder win, they're second straight, Well
we look at them the way we look at the Pistons.
We don't think of the Pistons as being a really deep,
really good, really competitive team. We look at them Mahorn
and Lambier getting in the fights, roughing up Michael Jordan.
Are we going to look at them the same way
we look at the Pistons.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Well, the Pistons had personality. OKC doesn't have a real personality,
a big personality. I mean they tried to do a
SGA Chad Holmergan commercial and you're like, okay, Like the
Pistons were the bad boys, they were the villains. There
was a documentary about them. They did a thirty for
(13:48):
thirty on them. See I will there be a thirty
for thirty on OKC. You got a better chance of
a thirty for thirty on Wemby in the Spurs. But
I know it takes away from OKAC and their success.
It's just they're not exciting. Seattle Seahawks weren't exciting. They're not.
(14:11):
They were great. The Rams have more personality. There's other teams,
but Seattle played. They were the best team in football
last year. That doesn't mean like the Patriots they weren't exciting.
I mean, Drake May okay, you know found out your
(14:31):
coach might have been a little more interesting. But other
than that, it's not like you go, man, Patriots must
see TV. They're not. But when Brady was there dating supermodel,
Bill Belichick, being Bill Belichick, interchangeable parts there, winning offensively, defensively,
Gronk is in there. You know, that's what you want.
(14:52):
That's if you're going to remember a team. There's other
things that factor in other than you're just winning. It's
how you're winning, and I think that sometimes differentiates between
and there are teams that are probably better than the
teams that win back to back or two and three years,
but they may not have that impact.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, Paul, you know, a tough team to quantify is
a late nineties, early two thousand spurs. Did they win
five titles in fifteen years? It was spread out. They
won one lost, a few lost a few one one one.
But they didn't have star power, but they were.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So relevant their dynasty. To me, yeah, that organization has
been dynastic, so I would put them in. I mean,
I love watching Genobli. Timmy was just when your nickname
is the big fundamental, I mean, it's really hard to go. Man,
must see TV. Hey, let's tune in and watch nice
(15:53):
bounce pass or maybe a bank shot here. But they
forced you to watch, which is what Okay is doing.
You gotta watch because they're playing in big games. Mike
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Where do they go?
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There's this was the I think I have six now
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the games you covered and you didn't screw them up.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Have you seen Costas his Emmy room, I've seen.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've seen it as a back to he usn't the
background for a zoom at some point I did see that.
You did see that. Yeah, that's no where We'll never
get there. Or will we have to just kind of yeah,
dust them off.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
How close are the Thunder to being considered a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Oh no, not yet? No no, no, no, no two titles,
no no, no no. We fast forward this stuff so much.
Let's go back, Like the whole dynasty conversation is almost
impossible to hold up to the dynasties that we grew
up with, Lakers, Celtics, Steelers, et cetera. The Yankees because
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players move like the Thunder will come back with a
different piece and a different piece, and same for the
next team and the next team. Like we we got
to slow down on this stuff. Look, they've won one title.
They're trying to get to the final for a second time.
If they win that, that's an all time good run.
It's not the Celtics, the Celtics, the Lakers, they were
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just in the finals every year, right, and somebody had
to do everything they could to knock them out for
a year like the Sixers did, right or So I
just think we fast forward this conversation way too much.
They're a really really good team. They have the potential
because of what Sam Presty has done to build this
organization and the capital they have coming up in the
(21:28):
draft and the moves they can make which are different
than everyone else.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, I think having those players locked in under contract
moving forward is key.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, those big three in j Dubb, Jaylen Williams and
home Grin and Shay. But now with those first round
picks that he has, you can do things like TRADEO
one and three two's for Jared McCain. Nobody had that
capital to go get a second year player who Philadelphia said,
you know what, we can't play three guards with Tyre's
(21:58):
Maxie and VJ Edgecombe and McCain. So let's move him
while his value is high. And if Sam doesn't make
that move with these injuries they have, maybe they're not
three to two in this series. Right. So those are
the ways you can build something that lasts for a
long time in an era where that's really hard financially
(22:18):
to do because of paying. Look, you draft well, you
have to pay these guys and then that's a problem.
I think of the Lions in the NFL, they really
drafted well the last few years with a bunch of
young core players. Now you got to pay them all
and so every time there's another edge rusher out there,
Lions fans are like, well, why don't you go get in?
You can't. You just don't have enough financial room.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
How big of a story is Wemby skipping out on
the media. I don't know what happened at the end
of the game, Mike, but I don't know if that's
a big deal tonight for you guys in leading into
game six.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's a watch early in the game, right, you'll watch
early in the game. Are there more hard fouls? Is
there some message sent? I think, Dan, you know you
lift so many of these series. Gosh, we sat next
to each other during some of the finals runs when
we were both working radio and doing Sports Center over
the years. But you carry a tone to the next game.
(23:11):
But it changes just like this, And I think it's
different when veterans are the guys who are out there
setting that tone. If young guys have a lot going on.
They have never half the San Antonio team, probably two
thirds of their rotation, have never faced an elimination game
in the NBA playoffs, right, think about it. It's the
first playoffs here is for Wenby and Castle and all
(23:33):
those guys that we've talked about, Dylan Harper and even Vassell.
They did not face elimination in the first two rounds.
They are facing an elimination game. They will walk into
the game today with a feeling of pressure of must
win that they never have before except in the NBA
Cup in December, where you knew there were tomorrows here
(23:54):
you don't. So I think it's really hard to have
that and be of the mindset of let's set this
hard foul on this guy. So I don't know if
it's Harry's over once to the next Webb not talking,
not the first time, not the last time. Somebody's skipped
out on the media like first timers before he gets
warned he'll get fined if he does it again. Lesson learned.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I would guess I'm talking to Mike Cherico and he'll
be on the call tonight. Game six Western Conference Finals
thunder Spurs with Reggie Miller and Jamal Crawford, tip off
eight thirty Eastern on NBC. In Peacock, I watched a
little bit of WNBA action with Caitlin Clark, and I
was trying to judgtapose that with the NBA, and it
(24:34):
feels like there's more play on moments in the WNBA
than there is the NBA. It feels there's a lot
of contact and it's a lot rougher than what people
realize it. But it feels like maybe the NBA needs
to have a few more play on moments. And Reggie
Miller talked about this the previous game where he goes,
(24:56):
that's a play on, that's not a found.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah. Yeah, So so let's separate these for a second.
The WNBA has had a massive officiate officiating problem over
the last couple of years, so much so that and
I'm thin on the details here, but I just heard
it discussed on our studio show with Sue Burn and
Cheryl Miller. The opening night. They had a committee come
(25:19):
together to try to figure out what they're going to
do and how they're going to do it to be
better about their officiating. So I don't want to hold
up something that has put their head up and said
we have a problem. As the example, I do think
the physicality of the playoffs is significantly different than the
regular season product. And why familiarity. We're not walking in
in January in Salt Lake City and putting up Patrick
(25:41):
on the board likes to go left right. He's like, Okay, great,
I'll get there. No, now it's you know what angle
Dan is at when he wants to try to start
going left and you're playing defense, and now you've learned
that opponent. Think of the guy at the gym with
a gall at the gym you play against by game
five or six, you know their moves or even pickleball
or ten. You know what they do well, and take
(26:01):
it away what happens in playoffs here, So the physicality
has to ramp up, and I think there have been
more play ons, but I think now everybody takes every
angle and puts it online. Look at this, here's an
example of a foul. Yeah, if you spill down an
NFL game, every play looks like a hold or pass interference.
So there's a balance. I think that's why the human
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element of officiating is there. Is it perfect? No, It's
also something that you can't look at and you'd say
it's a foul, and I'd say it's not a foul.
It's just because that contact has to be allowed in
my opinion at this point in the series. But if
you are I love the football term. If it material
materially restricts what you do. If my contact keeps you
(26:42):
from trying to score or get to the place you
want to get to. That should be a foul period.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Did you grow up a Knicks fan?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I did? I did.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, so there was you never got to see them win.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'm old enough I don't remember all of it, but
so Marv Albert was the radio announcer for the Knicks,
and they put out a record that's one of those
round things you put on a record player this year.
For those of you who did get the retro trade
when it came around a few years ago, they put
a record of the Knicks championship season. And I must
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have listened to that when I was seven, eight nine
years old, as I was falling in love with sports
and broadcasting. So I remember it, but I don't. I
can't tell you I saw Willis come out of the tunnel,
but I remember what that feeling was like as a
Knick fan at that time.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
How do you sum up, describe, encapsulate what's happened with
the Knicks this year?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I haven't they been given the championship. I've been watching.
I watched ESPN the morning after the Nicks one of
the Eastern Conference Final, and like the stage managers wearing
waving Knicks flags. I'm like, what slow down? Slow down?
They have been unbelievable and we had them seven eight
times this year. Then we had them after their last
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playoff loss against Atlanta and Mike Brown did a terrific job.
I thought of tweaking the offense. Karl Anthony Towns is
a point forward. It's unlocked everybody. We rarely see all
five guys going at the same time, and right now
they're all going. I will say the defense that they're
about to face from either one of these teams is
a massive step up from the defense they saw, Like
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did you see any Cleveland Cavalier turn a guard a
different way coming up to the floor, Like Jalen Brunson
and Josh Hart, they just had like free reign to
come down the floor. So I think it's going to
be another step up. But what they're doing is great
and it's really good when a city loves basketball the
way New York does to see that kind of basketball played.
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What it does remind me of dan Is watching and
listening to stories about how the seventies Knicks played together,
shared the ball, guys had their role and embraced it,
and that's why they are forever team remembered in New York.
And I think this team does that and embodies basketball
at its the purest, rich best of enjoyment, movement and teamwork.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I was talking to Vincent Goodwill great N being reporter
for the Mothership, and I said, you got to win
the title. Yeah, yeah, this is New York and he said, no,
this is the Knicks. They're not used to getting here.
So he was saying, you know, this is kind of
a if we get you know, we're going to get
to the finals. Even if we don't win, We've had
a successful year. I said, you've had a successful year. Yes,
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but this is a city that is predicated on winning,
not getting there.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Correct, correct? I mean unless you get the parade in
the Hero of Canyons, you're not remembered as a forever team.
If you do, then you've become a special team in
the biggest city that has millions and millions of sports
followers who revere those guys. Well, Clyde Fraser is revered
at eighty one years old when you're a Madison Square guard.
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I love seeing Clyde. I see Clyde. Well, we're doing
a game and it's a side by side, or Clyde
happens to be in the building, like I want to
go say hi, because Clyde is still coolest dang guy
this side of Joe Namath, Right, those two guys. Growing
up in the seventies in New York, that was the
definition of the cool professional athlete. And Clyde still has
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that in his eighties, and so does Joe. Anytime you
talk to him or you're around him. We've changed. It's
a different era, but it's been so long, and I
think what's cool about New York for the fans is
that those fans when this team was unwatchable, they went
and enjoyed good basketball from the opponents. Games that the
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garden always matter to players that walk up that ramp
to go into the building. And I think to have
the best basketball in the world, the NBA Finals in
that building, plus the New York part of it makes
it makes it really cool. It's gonna be a great files.
I cannot wait to be off and watch Not Shaved
and watch Breen and those guys work for a couple
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of weeks. I'm looking forward to the finals.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Will you go to a game?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Uh No, this is the whenever this ends either tonight
or Game seven on Saturday. That's the end of the
run that started in September with Sunday Night football and
the Olympics in Super Bowl and started the NBA for
US at NBC. And so this is this is the
last three hundred and sixty five yards of the marathon.
So I Am going to go home and chill until
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the US opened a couple of weeks, and then chill
after that. But I will I will enjoy watching for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Do you have broadcasting superstitions on game Day?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
No? No, not really. I have patterns and habits, but
it's not like, oh my gosh, if I don't need
a Caesar salad with chicken, this is going to be
a bad broadcast. Although although with Reggie Miller and Zora
Stevens that we have ordered more Caesars with Chicken and
NBA arenas than the most people over the last two
But this has been I forgot how much fun the
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NBA is. This has been so much fun. And Rege
and Jamal and Sora and Ashley Shamany we have had.
We've had the greatest time. I g if if there's
anything I'm rooting for tonight, I'd love to get us
to a game seven because I'd love to do two
more days with this group. We've had a blast and
you have Reggie out every week, so everybody knows how
fun Redge can be. I mean two weeks on the
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Road of the Ridge that really three and a half
weeks has been just all times fun and Jamal the same,
So it's been great.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think Jamal has been unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
He's great Dan. His story is his vision. What he
sees in the game is really good. And you know,
three man booths work or don't work based on a
ton of things. These guys are so giving and they
talk to each other. You know, we go a couple
of possessions and they're going back and forth and back
and forth. I'm just sitting there listening to them like
there's no reason to get in the way of this.
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And that starts in the car, it happens at lunch,
it continues on the air, and that's when you have
something good. So I'm having the greatest time and shout
out to these two cities like they'll be the small
market against the big market. But man, like I have
a headache, my ears ring for thirty minutes coming out
of the building and I because your headphones are craked
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up because you can't hear each other. And it's so
this has been so much fun.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
It's been great before I let you go. The NFL
growth here, I know now it feels like we're kicking
Sunday one o'clock games to the curb. Yeah yeah, but
I understand it because I'll watch one game at one o'clock.
I'll watch, you know, a four to thirty game, you know,
occasionally the red zone. But then you watch a standalone
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game on Sunday, in a standalone game on Monday, and
a standalone game. This is what all of these different
partners want. But where do you stand on sort of
the I don't if you say the fragmentation of what
used to be the NFL schedule and where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I used to get frustrated. I go back to forty
years ago. I get really frustrated that I couldn't watch
the Bengals play at one o'clock when they were all
that good, or even when they were halfway decent. Pick
a team like because I liked football, so you know,
having four or five games in the one clock window
still fine. There are weeks it gets thin. There are
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weeks towards the end it gets thin. I think to
avoid it getting thin, what I would suggest is that
the league does what the Premier league does. Here's who
you're playing December thirteenth. We're not going to assign starting
times or TV networks until like a month out, so
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we'll know that in those individual windows there are good games.
Because bad games and individual windows hurt the product. Good
games help, so there will be the best game. But
make sure you've got a game of some meaning. And
I think the only way to do that from mid
November on is to Okay, Thursday nights you almost have
to assign for travel logistics, so people will get backed
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up with that. But I would put the week twelve
fourteen sixteen scheduled just like we do the last week
of the season. Let's wait and then we don't have
to do it a week before, three or four weeks before.
You're the Sunday night, you're the Monday night, you're the
Sunday afternoon, Saturday afternoon. That's the way I think the
individual windows can still maintain significance. Have a good four packet,
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one three pack at four thirty and go from there,
just one guy's opinion. It's like same thing. Nothing's easier
to do than tell somebody else how to do their job.
So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Congratch again on the Sports Emmy and uh, thank you
have fun.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Good to talk, Thank you pal. Yeah, good talking with you.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Man, Iome Sraight, Mike Jurko, he's the voice of well,
he's just the voice NBC Football Night in America and
Basketball and the super Bowl and the Olympics, Kentucky Derby
US Open Open Championship. He'll be on the call tonight.
That'll be Game six in San Antonio, eight thirty Eastern
on NBC and Peacock will take a break. Our Play
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calls coming up. It's been pointed out to me by
my Dodger source. Keep in mind LA uses a six
man rotation that means shoheu tani will get about six
less starts than his competitors. That might keep him from
winning the cy Young. I think you got to get
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to around one hundred and seventy seventy five innings. That's
kind of where we've been the low end of those
who have won the cy Young in recent years with
the new way that we present starting pitchers in Major
League Baseball. He's Joey Vado. He played seventeen years and
he was a six time All Star. He won an MVP.
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He'll be working for NBC Sports later this summer their
baseball coverage in the wild Card playoffs. Great to see
you again, It's Sue. Where have you been in the
last year?
Speaker 9 (37:11):
I have been all over I spent about three months
in Japan, a couple months in Mexico City, all over Europe.
I've seen some incredible places around the world. I spent
a month surfing in Sri Lanka. I could keep going,
but you know, you travel and you think I'm going
to see the whole world, and you realize there's only
so much you can see as y'll and not too
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long experience.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Okay, did you become a sushi chef?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I did? I did.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
I did a five week course at the Tokyo Sushi
Academy in Shinjuku. The best part about it was nobody
knew who I was, and so they bullied me the
whole time. I was raised in the kitchen. My father
was a chef. My parents had a restaurant for five years.
And it brought me back to when I was seven
years old being told to sweep this up and mop
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this up and carry that bucket. And I didn't say
anything for the five weeks, and it wasn't until the
end that I thanked them and I shared what I
did for a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And then you went surfing in Sri Lanka? How is
the surfing in.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Sri Lanka fantastic? The best?
Speaker 9 (38:15):
But I've been all over I surfed in Ireland, I
served in Portugal, Spain, Japan.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I've surfed all over the world.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
So wait, surfing in Ireland fantastical?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Like the best? It's my favorite place.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Actually, it's because the traffic is there's so there's much
less people there and the conditions are excellent.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, island's great.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Are you doing a TV show about your travels?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No?
Speaker 9 (38:39):
Why, I've got nothing to say. I'm not that interesting.
This is my best moment in life right here exchanging
with you.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Wait, wait, you're the most interesting man in the world.
Forget the guy on the days Eki's commercial.
Speaker 9 (38:53):
No, No, I didn't do I don't think it's a
good idea to do that, And really, I don't think
any one's interested.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I am. I was fascinated when I saw that you
were all over the world doing all these great things.
And you know, you spent seventeen years in the Major League,
so probably add another what five or ten to that
where you didn't get to do these things. And a
lot of athletes are that way after they retire. They're like,
I didn't get to go to an Indy five hundred
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or the Kentucky Dirt you know, like normal things that
we can go to. But it felt like you were
you had a bucket list of these are places I
want to go and things I want to do.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
Not to be disrespectful to the athlete community in general,
but I get scared of being someone that talks about
the past, that talks about the days of yore and
how special I was and how I did this and that,
and magazine covers and all this celebrity type experience. And
I promise myself. You're going to go see the world
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and you're going to see how people live, and you're
going to participate, maybe not live it exactly, but like
witness it and be reminded you're not special at all.
Nobody cares about you, Nobody even wants to hear about
your story. And the more I travel, the more I
feel like it humbles me in the best of ways.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And I had a terrible during the course of my career.
You get it. You develop a terrible ego, an awful ego.
Speaker 9 (40:19):
And even though I come off as I can act
like I have humility, inside, I thought I was special,
and just the traveling alone reminded me that you're not
special at all.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Get in line.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
When I was in the line for seventy five minutes
outside of a you know, a taco stand or coffee
shop or something, and I'm standing there like everybody else,
and I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
If I was back home, I'd be able to call
in and get to the front of the line. Here
They're like, dude, beat it.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, So where was the strangest place you were recognized?
Speaker 9 (40:56):
Yeah? You know, some places in Europe you cross paths
with people, but almost no where and that was such
a such a gift. I mean, I'm not a I'm
not a famous person, and I played in a small market.
But to be able to just really be left b
and and it was just the constant reminder of how
unspecial you are. Is being shoved in the subway. You know,
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you you're in Mexico City or you're in Tokyo and
people are hissing at you because of like, because you're
too much in their space, or you're stepping on their
foot or your bag should be between your legs. Was just,
you know, a constant reminder of, dude, you couldn't be
less special.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
But the amazing part you were wearing your Cincinnati Reds
uniform when you were traveling and nobody recognized you.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Wow, my EyeBlack, you know my number on the back?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Are we taking Otani for granted?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
He hasn't even gotten hot.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
I know that he's had a really nice start to
the pitching side of things, but offensively, I don't even
sense that. And I was reading that he's still not satisfied.
But I saw some stuff yesterday in his swings that
tell me we really and I don't like using hyperbole.
I think I'm going to try to in the course
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of my media career to be as tame as possible.
But I really think we might be in the middle
of one of, if not the greatest season in the
history of baseball. And I say that because, first of all,
most of the all time great seasons have asterisks that
slash question marks and the other bit. A few were
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before integration was even a part of the game, and
so the extreme ends of greatness were mitigated because integra,
because integration was a part of the game. And he's
playing against the very, very best in the world now,
So to me, I think we're on We have a
chance to see one of the great seasons of all time.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
It feels like the cy Young is really important to him,
and I mean he's got I don't know, if you
say unfair advantage. He created the unfair advantage that he
gets to hit and pitch at a very high level.
He's going to win another MVP this year.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Right, nothing's for sure.
Speaker 9 (43:13):
The starting pitcher for the Philly Sanchez has had an
excellent start. We typically don't give away the MVP two pitchers,
but it's going to be five and six years if
he wins it.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
It's going to be unanimous if he wins it.
Speaker 9 (43:25):
I really think, I really think we're talking about Tiger
Woods in our lifetime, Michael Jordan in our lifetime. I
think we're talking about one of the great athletes of
the twenty first century. And I don't know if it's
because of the nature of baseball in that you watch
us every day and we don't wow you, and we
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ask you to kind of tune in on a daily
basis and evaluate us at the end of six and
seven months. But at the very end of the season
show he is not only going to give you the goods,
but he's also going to do it both sides of
the ball. And I don't think we'll have ever I
don't know if we'll ever see this sort of greatness
for a long while. I don't know if we'll see
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it in our lifetime, unless you know, Sam Altman and
and Elon step in and extend their lives a couple
hundred years, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I got you facing Otani once.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
Yeah, yeah, funny enough. That ended my career essentially, And
it was the day he got his second Tommy John
that it was like the uh, it was a bad
moment for the.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Both of us.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Wait what happened?
Speaker 9 (44:34):
Well, he in this after his second after that, maybe
the third or fourth inning, blew out his arm for
his second Tommy John. He left one of the most
impressive I'll tell a quick Joe hey Otani story, one
of the most impressive things I've ever seen on a
baseball field. He got taken out in the third or
fourth inning because he needed a second Tommy John. He
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before he came out of the game, he went up
to bat and hit a ball one hundred and seventeen
miles an hour into the right field stands for a
home running against a left handed pitcher, and then left
and had surgery. I mean, who is this alien? And
then me, I just I ended up popping out against him,
and you know, so, yeah, he's a big guy.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
He's a big guy. He's a big six' four probably two. Forty,
yeah and he's as. Fast he's as fast as. Anyone,
also so he's got a lot of things going FROM.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I was wondering about this that The Baseball Player association
talking about there should be a minimum level of. Spending
i've been preaching this for, years and you have certain
ownership that they will spend just. Enough but The Player association,
saying you know you want to get. Up we want
you to move. Up we want to raise the. Floor
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we may not have a, ceiling but we got to
raise the. Floor what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Proposal, Well i'm guessing that in any, negotiation if you
make such a grand ass there's going to, be you,
know a reaction to it in that donors will last
for something pretty specific on on the top. End and
is that what you want to.
Speaker 9 (46:09):
DO i don't know enough about the goals of The Players,
association BUT i can say that if they're asking asking a,
floor then there's going to be some real serious asks
on the top. End but you, know if if if
some of the smaller market teams can afford, it then
it should be. Done But i'm not sure if that's the.
CASE i don't.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Know do you see a salary? Cap at some? Point
with Baseball.
Speaker 9 (46:34):
During the entire course of my career and the generation,
before the constant fight was no salary. Cap it was
always that that if there was anything we stood, for
it was we don't even want to hear the language
of a salary. Cap i'm not in the game, anymore
And i'm apprehensive of speaking on what the current group
of you know players their goal. Is if that's what
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they're their objective, is then then you, know respect to.
Them but WHEN i, played even mentioning even mentioning a
salary cap might get you in a. Fight And i'm
talking about like an actual in clubhouse. Confrontation so you,
know we'll see.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
The automated balls and. Strikes how comfortable would you be
stepping in with that part of the game.
Speaker 9 (47:23):
LOOMING i was one of those players That i'm the
type of guy to, defer AND i think it's in
my nature to be. Deferential whether WHEN i was a younger,
PLAYER i would defer to the, veterans whether it was
like the big tough guys on the, TEAM i would,
Defer AND i THINK i would have had a really hard.
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TIME i THINK i would have had a really hard
time with the taking a strike away from my team
and us needing it in it later in the, game
like getting it, wrong and SO i THINK i would
have more most of the time just passed UNLESS i
was like for, sure for sure that in this moment
the team needs me to get it.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Right SO i don't.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
KNOW i THINK i would have taken a lot of
balls and let them be called strikes and on the
rare occasion you stepped.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
In do you like the automated balls and strikes in some?
Speaker 9 (48:19):
Occasions, yeah but it makes me a little nut seeing
guys be consistently. Selfish you, know there's moments where you'll
see a picture emotionally react and tap his hat and
the balls half a foot, outside and it's, like, dude
we only got two of those and the game's two
to one in the eighth, inning and we needed we needed.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
That and SO i think that.
Speaker 9 (48:37):
There's there's going to be times where there's going to,
be you, know inside of the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Headbutting BUT i don't. KNOW i like.
Speaker 9 (48:47):
IT i like it, Fine But i'm always about protecting
the team and the culture of the, team AND i
just DON'T i worry that one particular player can ruin
the entire vibe because they're selfish with the.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
ABS i hope that we get to the point like,
tennis where they just have it and it's up on
the jumbo tron and the umpires are going to be
there to pull people out and safe and maybe catchers.
Interference but balls and, strikes do you have any problem
if it's out of the umpire's hands and it's just
basically you're doing computers.
Speaker 9 (49:21):
Here, NO i think that they found the right sweet.
Spot the umpires need to be held to, account the
players need to be held to, account and then the
fans need to be. SATISFIED i do like the language
from the umpires that will yell at the dugouts if.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
You don't like the, call challenge.
Speaker 9 (49:37):
It and you've seen that over and over and over,
again because, unfairly they're both being called out by their.
Name they're both they're being embarrassed on the big board
and on replays in a game that happens like, that
and people are saying and then they get endless. Criticism
but then when they get it wrong and you don't challenge,
them you get to criticisize them.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Also AND i really feel for the umpires and that in.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
This but they might embarrass you with a bad. Call
nobody finds it's not. Intentional it's not. Intentional you never
never felt an umpire intentionally well you can say it, now.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Oh multiple. Occasions but that's that was.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
More so this was ego against, ego like they had
a problem.
Speaker 9 (50:24):
With, yeah, yeah but it was a bit more of
a wild the Wild. West WHEN i first came, up
there was, like, hey young, buck you have nothing to
say to?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Us strike.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Was This Joe?
Speaker 2 (50:37):
West, No joe was very. Professional he was very.
Speaker 9 (50:43):
PROFESSIONAL i know he had he had the strike zone
that he called perfectly for years and there was no
games to be. Played but that being, said if he checked,
him he wouldn't ding you with a with a blow
of thebelt. Strike he would walk up to you face
to face like, this say do you have something to?
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Say young? Men but do you should be?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Done but do you agree That maddox And glabin And,
Smolts bonds And bogs And carew And gwynn like they
they got the benefit of the? Doubt like should players
get the benefit of the?
Speaker 9 (51:19):
Doubt then they may, Have but not now with not
now with a, bs not, now but with. Abs BUT
i think that back then for. Sure but you have
to remember those guys bent the. Ball maddix bent the ball,
horizontally and that appears as if it's in the.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Zone and it exits the.
Speaker 9 (51:40):
Zone and it's the same with with the same With,
glab and same with all the guys you were. Described
Roy halliday was the many, recipes is the exact same
way they would bend the ball in and out of the.
Zone and that was the that was the game they were.
Playing they were trying to create delusion of stride.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Ball who had the best stuff that you ever, faced
where you just said this is this is somebody from
a different.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Planet i'll tell you a quick.
Speaker 9 (52:04):
STORY Cc sabbathia got traded over to The Milwaukee. Brewers
and he's six foot, seven two hundred and eighty five,
pounds big intimidating guy and left handed.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Pitcher And milwaukee has these has these.
Speaker 9 (52:20):
Shadows And Dusty baker went on my Birthday september, tenth
on my birthday Said ceec's throwing. TOMORROW i want you
to take the day, off AND i, go, NO i
want to face.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
THEM i want to face.
Speaker 9 (52:30):
Them and he, starts strikes me on four, times fires
a few, fires a few balls up.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
And in at my.
Speaker 9 (52:38):
Chin and he's the type of guy that not only
will strike you, out not only will he dominate, you
But i'll throw a ball at, you walk up to.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
You snatch the ball and be like you want to
fight sort of.
Speaker 9 (52:49):
Thing SO cec was the toughest guy for me because
of the combination of, stuff an intimidation, factor and he'd fight,
you and he'd fight. YOU.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Pauli do you have his numbers against.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
The of course we.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
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later on as well. Game six tonight, the Thunder a
slight underdog against the Spurs. I have a weird feeling
about this game. I would like to see the Spurs
win to force a Game seven, but I don't know.
(01:37):
It just feels even though the Thunder are banged up
and I expect Wemby to have a Wemby game, be aggressive,
but even though the Spurs are favored, slight favorite, it's
just one of those weird feelings that I have, not
that I'm willing to tell. Guys on the Gambling Podcast
later today, Dylan and Shay and Irving and even Big
(01:58):
Day Ray. But man, I might take the three and
a half and the Okac Thunder. I know we want
to put teams into dynasty categories, and you know, the
definition of a dynasty has changed, and it changes in sports.
Just going back to back in the NFL makes you
a dynasty. It feels like or if you win three
(02:21):
in the span of five years or six years, or
two in the span of five years, and it's you know,
you kind of border on a dynasty. The Patriots had
a couple of dynasties at the beginning and the end
of Tom Brady's career. Basketball are the OKAC thunder bordering
on being a dynasty. I think you have to have
(02:43):
three to be a dynasty. Man, it can be three
and five years, maybe two and four, depending on what
you do on those other years. But I don't know.
I'm kind of a hardliner when it comes to what
is a dynasty and if it's in the sixties. So
the Celtics were a dynasty. UCLA Basketball like, we're not
going to have that ever again. Therefore we have to
(03:05):
change the definition. And when you think about OKAC, we
look at them and we go, man, they're invincible. Well,
Denver pushed them to seven games last year. Indiana dragged
them to another seven game battle in the finals. San
Antonio is trying to take them to seven games, so
it's not like they're unbelievable, like, oh my goodness, I
(03:28):
know Michael Jordan and the Bulls never got to a
game seven, and they were a dynasty. They had two dynasties,
three in a row, pause, three in a row dynasty.
You can look at the Lakers with what they did
with Shaq and Kobe, maybe, you know, dynasty dynastic baseball,
we might look at it differently. I feel like the
(03:50):
Dodgers kind of have that dynasty feel to them. What's
the official definition of a dynasty, PAULI.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Well, it's not exactly the dictionary, but there's a couple
of sports ish websites that have broke this down. An
individual or a team that completely dominates a sport or
a league for an extended period of time. A couple
other notes, you need at least two titles, at least
in a five year period. Otherwise they would say that's
a run.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But as OKC dominated, Like, this isn't fifteen to one Lakers.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
But their regular season win differential has been the best
in the league for three straight years. They beat people
during the regular season.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, but there are teams that are built for the
regular season, and there are a lot of teams and
coaches who don't really care about the regular season. I
go back to Greg Popovich, they had a dynasty. He
did not care about the regular season. He cared about
what happened in the playoffs. The nineties Yankees dynasty. I
(04:49):
would say, you know, different decades with the Yankees dynasty,
Montreal Canadians, different years, dynasties. So it does happen. But
I think it feels like we want to put okay
See in the fast lane to be a dynasty. Even
if you go back to back and you have the
(05:10):
MVP back to back. I don't view them as a dynasty.
I view them as an unbelievable organization. But the following
season would probably help me define Okayc's place in history.
And I know okay See fans get upset whenever I
say something about Shay or what like. You got to
(05:30):
stop with the oh woe is me? Small market? Okay,
all the NBA they only cater to If we play
the Knicks. The Knicks are going to get all the
cult like, stop, don't do the O Woe is Me?
Just go out there and root, but don't give me
the all big market small market is oka see good
for the NBA, No big markets are, but they're still
(05:54):
a great team. So you can say, hey, I don't
care what the NBA wants. They want san Antonio against
the Knicks. Okay, so what go win the game tonight?
Drive the NBA crazy or the fans crazy.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna have to disagree because I think
that's the old way of thinking where we're thinking about
small small market teams.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I think it's more about the star.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
If they had a star, if it was like Steph Curry,
it doesn't matter where he's playing if he's on a
really good team, And it doesn't matter about the market,
especially in this day and time where the Internet runs everything,
so you really don't need a big market. But I
think it's the combination of small market plus how they play.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
But if you're in a small market, you have that
inferiority complex. Whether it's true or not. It's like, oh,
we're not going to get the calls tonight, Oh they
want Wenby to go to the front. I know how
this works, Okay. I've been doing this for a long time,
and I know the small market, certainly in baseball and basketball,
not football, because that doesn't matter. But these smaller markets
(06:57):
where it's they don't want us to win. OKC is
a great team, and SGA is a star ish kind
of player. He's not a video clips where you've checked
your phone in the morning. He's just not You might
get more video clips out of SGA or out of
a chet Holgern than SGA. Chances are maybe he does
(07:18):
something interesting. SGA is just methodical. It's I know exactly
what I'm going to get. It's like having the same
meal every single day and somebody says, how was it good?
Same meal? That's it. It's like there's one restaurant in
OKC and it's SGA. He's serving up what he does
(07:39):
every single night against every single team. That is not
something that is must see TV. That's what the NBA
wants when you get to the finals. They want a
big audience. Wemby is you know, a different creature, and
the Knicks are going to be the Knicks, and you
get celebrities there, you get the atmosphere there, you get
you know, it's all involved there. That's what you want. Now,
(08:04):
that's not what you always get. You can't get the
you know, the Yankees against the Dodgers in the World
Series every year. If you could, Baseball would be like, yes,
we'll sign up for that. But it's tricky when it
comes to dynasties. What is a dynasty depending on the sport.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yes, Marvin, the Pistons and the Rockets, they both went
back to back, but we don't consider the dynasties. We
remember them, but they're not considered dynasties like the Lakers
and the Bulls.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yes, I think you got to win at least three
in five years. If you go, you know, a three peete,
then you're a dynasty. But it depends on the sport.
If you go back to back, like we keep talking
about the Patriots back at the beginning of you know,
this decade or a century where you go, oh, back
(08:51):
to back, that's why it doesn't happen. It's harder to
do that in the NFL than it is these other sports.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yes, Dylan, are you considering the Patriot It's two dynasties
are one continuous one obviously with a lull in between,
because I imagine, Wow, as long as Brady was there,
that's kind of one.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I would say two with a pause because they went
what ten years without winning anything, but they won, Like
you don't have that dip. Sometimes you'll have a team
that wins and then there's this dip and then they
come back win again. I would say Patriots definitely a dynasty. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Do you want to know what the longest continuous dynasty
in history is?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Ming? The Ming dynasty. They were on a run, man
Yao Ming Dynasty.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
They're up there, but it's actually the Imperial House of Japan,
the Yamato dynasty, longest continuous by blood dynasty over fifteen
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The Patriots touch that one.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And how many years were they favored?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Though? I think most of those years.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, it sounds like that. I saw withe The Arizona
Cardinals aren't favored in any game this year. That's a
left turn say, yeah, yes that the Cardinals are not
favored in any game this year. As I'm like, okay,
and you got your quarterback holding out, Jacoby Brussett. They
(10:14):
are the opposite of a dynasty, or maybe can you
be a dynasty playing poorly? Yes, Paul, A.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Couple more rules of a dynasty. Your core has to
continue during your run. Like you said about the late
nineties Yankees, you had Pasada, Bernie Williams, Jeter, the Big
four or five guys stuck around. And the other one
is lasting impact. Are they remembered like the mid seventies Steelers,
You know all the names and they last forever.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah. I think the like the Pistons, we remember them.
They're the bad boy Pistons. They won two titles, The
Celtics with Bird obviously you remember them, Lakers with Magic Showtime.
You remember them. And you might not even remember how
how many titles they won or how many titles they
won in a row, but you do remember those teams.
(11:06):
Sometimes it was about what they showed you right in
front of you on your TV, not necessarily what the
end result for each season. But yeah, it's an interesting
topic of is OKC bordering on Are they on the
brink of being a dynasty if they win a second title? Yes, Dylan?
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Is it the repeat nature of titles that's a bigger factor,
Like if you win like every other year for six years,
well not there's no repeats or three pizza or anything.
Does that still feel like a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I mean it should be.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But well depends on the sport. Like Seattle's not favored
to win the Super Bowl this year. They got maybe
the third or fourth best odds, but if they did,
I mean, that's really, really, really rare.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, Pauling, the seventy Steelers won the Super Bowl in
seventy four and seventy five. They made the playoffs and
did not make it to the super Bowl the next
two years, then they won two more Super Bowls. That's
four titles in six years.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Pure dynasty.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, and we remember those players. When you can recite
the lineup, then that usually helps you kind of lean
towards that impression, that imprint they left on your life
on the sports world.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yes, Marvin, And there's sometimes when people say dynasties, you
have to repeat I don't subscribe to that because look
at the Bird Celtics. They won an eighty one, eighty four,
and eighty six. But we consider them a dynasty because
they were always there. They were always in the hunt,
and the teams they lost to they lost the Lakers,
so there's no shame in that. And they were always competitive.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think that's what I want to see is you
don't want to have that on what happened, Oh, they
didn't make the playoffs that you know, one season. Then
they came back. But to keep it, it's harder to
keep a team together. I mean, the Celtics weren't leaving
with Bill Russell and Red Arbac. Those guys stayed. There
was no free agency. The Steelers they stayed together. Like
(13:01):
you have to look at before free agency and after
free agency and trying to keep your players together.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Yes, Mark, if the thunder win, they're second straight, Well
we look at them the way we look at the Pistons.
We don't think of the Pistons as being a really deep,
really good, really competitive team. We look at them Mahorn
and Lambier getting in the fights, roughing up Michael Jordan.
Are we going to look at them the same way
we look at the Pistons.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Well, the Pistons had personality. OKC doesn't have a real personality,
a big personality. I mean they tried to do a
SGA Chad Holmergan commercial and you're like, okay, Like the
Pistons were the bad boys, they were the villains. There
was a documentary about them. They did a thirty for
(13:48):
thirty on them. See I will there be a thirty
for thirty on OKC. You got a better chance of
a thirty for thirty on Wemby in the Spurs. But
I know it takes away from OKAC and their success.
It's just they're not exciting. Seattle Seahawks weren't exciting. They're not.
(14:11):
They were great. The Rams have more personality. There's other teams,
but Seattle played. They were the best team in football
last year. That doesn't mean like the Patriots they weren't exciting.
I mean, Drake May okay, you know found out your
(14:31):
coach might have been a little more interesting. But other
than that, it's not like you go, man, Patriots must
see TV. They're not. But when Brady was there dating supermodel,
Bill Belichick, being Bill Belichick, interchangeable parts there, winning offensively, defensively,
Gronk is in there. You know, that's what you want.
(14:52):
That's if you're going to remember a team. There's other
things that factor in other than you're just winning. It's
how you're winning, and I think that sometimes differentiates between
and there are teams that are probably better than the
teams that win back to back or two and three years,
but they may not have that impact.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, Paul, you know, a tough team to quantify is
a late nineties, early two thousand spurs. Did they win
five titles in fifteen years? It was spread out. They
won one lost, a few lost a few one one one.
But they didn't have star power, but they were.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So relevant their dynasty. To me, yeah, that organization has
been dynastic, so I would put them in. I mean,
I love watching Genobli. Timmy was just when your nickname
is the big fundamental, I mean, it's really hard to go. Man,
must see TV. Hey, let's tune in and watch nice
(15:53):
bounce pass or maybe a bank shot here. But they
forced you to watch, which is what Okay is doing.
You gotta watch because they're playing in big games. Mike
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Where do they go?
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There's this was the I think I have six now
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one's up in my office, the third ones on the way.
I guess I don't know. Okay, I don't know, but sorry.
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I think I've won six.
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Because the counting is weird, like if you're part of
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they're just recognition by your peers that your tape was
the best of the tapes that were sent to which
is really which is really what it is, so you know, No,
it is Dan, Honestly, it's you had good moments in
the games you covered and you didn't screw them up.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Have you seen Costas his Emmy room, I've seen.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I've seen it as a back to he usn't the
background for a zoom at some point I did see that.
You did see that. Yeah, that's no where We'll never
get there. Or will we have to just kind of yeah,
dust them off.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
How close are the Thunder to being considered a dynasty?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Oh no, not yet? No no, no, no, no two titles,
no no, no no. We fast forward this stuff so much.
Let's go back, Like the whole dynasty conversation is almost
impossible to hold up to the dynasties that we grew
up with, Lakers, Celtics, Steelers, et cetera. The Yankees because
(20:47):
players move like the Thunder will come back with a
different piece and a different piece, and same for the
next team and the next team. Like we we got
to slow down on this stuff. Look, they've won one title.
They're trying to get to the final for a second time.
If they win that, that's an all time good run.
It's not the Celtics, the Celtics, the Lakers, they were
(21:08):
just in the finals every year, right, and somebody had
to do everything they could to knock them out for
a year like the Sixers did, right or So I
just think we fast forward this conversation way too much.
They're a really really good team. They have the potential
because of what Sam Presty has done to build this
organization and the capital they have coming up in the
(21:28):
draft and the moves they can make which are different
than everyone else.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, I think having those players locked in under contract
moving forward is key.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, those big three in j Dubb, Jaylen Williams and
home Grin and Shay. But now with those first round
picks that he has, you can do things like TRADEO
one and three two's for Jared McCain. Nobody had that
capital to go get a second year player who Philadelphia said,
you know what, we can't play three guards with Tyre's
(21:58):
Maxie and VJ Edgecombe and McCain. So let's move him
while his value is high. And if Sam doesn't make
that move with these injuries they have, maybe they're not
three to two in this series. Right. So those are
the ways you can build something that lasts for a
long time in an era where that's really hard financially
(22:18):
to do because of paying. Look, you draft well, you
have to pay these guys and then that's a problem.
I think of the Lions in the NFL, they really
drafted well the last few years with a bunch of
young core players. Now you got to pay them all
and so every time there's another edge rusher out there,
Lions fans are like, well, why don't you go get in?
You can't. You just don't have enough financial room.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
How big of a story is Wemby skipping out on
the media. I don't know what happened at the end
of the game, Mike, but I don't know if that's
a big deal tonight for you guys in leading into
game six.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's a watch early in the game, right, you'll watch
early in the game. Are there more hard fouls? Is
there some message sent? I think, Dan, you know you
lift so many of these series. Gosh, we sat next
to each other during some of the finals runs when
we were both working radio and doing Sports Center over
the years. But you carry a tone to the next game.
(23:11):
But it changes just like this, And I think it's
different when veterans are the guys who are out there
setting that tone. If young guys have a lot going on.
They have never half the San Antonio team, probably two
thirds of their rotation, have never faced an elimination game
in the NBA playoffs, right, think about it. It's the
first playoffs here is for Wenby and Castle and all
(23:33):
those guys that we've talked about, Dylan Harper and even Vassell.
They did not face elimination in the first two rounds.
They are facing an elimination game. They will walk into
the game today with a feeling of pressure of must
win that they never have before except in the NBA
Cup in December, where you knew there were tomorrows here
(23:54):
you don't. So I think it's really hard to have
that and be of the mindset of let's set this
hard foul on this guy. So I don't know if
it's Harry's over once to the next Webb not talking,
not the first time, not the last time. Somebody's skipped
out on the media like first timers before he gets
warned he'll get fined if he does it again. Lesson learned.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I would guess I'm talking to Mike Cherico and he'll
be on the call tonight. Game six Western Conference Finals
thunder Spurs with Reggie Miller and Jamal Crawford, tip off
eight thirty Eastern on NBC. In Peacock, I watched a
little bit of WNBA action with Caitlin Clark, and I
was trying to judgtapose that with the NBA, and it
(24:34):
feels like there's more play on moments in the WNBA
than there is the NBA. It feels there's a lot
of contact and it's a lot rougher than what people
realize it. But it feels like maybe the NBA needs
to have a few more play on moments. And Reggie
Miller talked about this the previous game where he goes,
(24:56):
that's a play on, that's not a found.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah. Yeah, So so let's separate these for a second.
The WNBA has had a massive officiate officiating problem over
the last couple of years, so much so that and
I'm thin on the details here, but I just heard
it discussed on our studio show with Sue Burn and
Cheryl Miller. The opening night. They had a committee come
(25:19):
together to try to figure out what they're going to
do and how they're going to do it to be
better about their officiating. So I don't want to hold
up something that has put their head up and said
we have a problem. As the example, I do think
the physicality of the playoffs is significantly different than the
regular season product. And why familiarity. We're not walking in
in January in Salt Lake City and putting up Patrick
(25:41):
on the board likes to go left right. He's like, Okay, great,
I'll get there. No, now it's you know what angle
Dan is at when he wants to try to start
going left and you're playing defense, and now you've learned
that opponent. Think of the guy at the gym with
a gall at the gym you play against by game
five or six, you know their moves or even pickleball
or ten. You know what they do well, and take
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it away what happens in playoffs here, So the physicality
has to ramp up, and I think there have been
more play ons, but I think now everybody takes every
angle and puts it online. Look at this, here's an
example of a foul. Yeah, if you spill down an
NFL game, every play looks like a hold or pass interference.
So there's a balance. I think that's why the human
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element of officiating is there. Is it perfect? No, It's
also something that you can't look at and you'd say
it's a foul, and I'd say it's not a foul.
It's just because that contact has to be allowed in
my opinion at this point in the series. But if
you are I love the football term. If it material
materially restricts what you do. If my contact keeps you
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from trying to score or get to the place you
want to get to. That should be a foul period.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Did you grow up a Knicks fan?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I did? I did.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, so there was you never got to see them win.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'm old enough I don't remember all of it, but
so Marv Albert was the radio announcer for the Knicks,
and they put out a record that's one of those
round things you put on a record player this year.
For those of you who did get the retro trade
when it came around a few years ago, they put
a record of the Knicks championship season. And I must
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have listened to that when I was seven, eight nine
years old, as I was falling in love with sports
and broadcasting. So I remember it, but I don't. I
can't tell you I saw Willis come out of the tunnel,
but I remember what that feeling was like as a
Knick fan at that time.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
How do you sum up, describe, encapsulate what's happened with
the Knicks this year?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I haven't they been given the championship. I've been watching.
I watched ESPN the morning after the Nicks one of
the Eastern Conference Final, and like the stage managers wearing
waving Knicks flags. I'm like, what slow down? Slow down?
They have been unbelievable and we had them seven eight
times this year. Then we had them after their last
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playoff loss against Atlanta and Mike Brown did a terrific job.
I thought of tweaking the offense. Karl Anthony Towns is
a point forward. It's unlocked everybody. We rarely see all
five guys going at the same time, and right now
they're all going. I will say the defense that they're
about to face from either one of these teams is
a massive step up from the defense they saw, Like
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did you see any Cleveland Cavalier turn a guard a
different way coming up to the floor, Like Jalen Brunson
and Josh Hart, they just had like free reign to
come down the floor. So I think it's going to
be another step up. But what they're doing is great
and it's really good when a city loves basketball the
way New York does to see that kind of basketball played.
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What it does remind me of dan Is watching and
listening to stories about how the seventies Knicks played together,
shared the ball, guys had their role and embraced it,
and that's why they are forever team remembered in New York.
And I think this team does that and embodies basketball
at its the purest, rich best of enjoyment, movement and teamwork.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I was talking to Vincent Goodwill great N being reporter
for the Mothership, and I said, you got to win
the title. Yeah, yeah, this is New York and he said, no,
this is the Knicks. They're not used to getting here.
So he was saying, you know, this is kind of
a if we get you know, we're going to get
to the finals. Even if we don't win, We've had
a successful year. I said, you've had a successful year. Yes,
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but this is a city that is predicated on winning,
not getting there.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Correct, correct? I mean unless you get the parade in
the Hero of Canyons, you're not remembered as a forever team.
If you do, then you've become a special team in
the biggest city that has millions and millions of sports
followers who revere those guys. Well, Clyde Fraser is revered
at eighty one years old when you're a Madison Square guard.
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I love seeing Clyde. I see Clyde. Well, we're doing
a game and it's a side by side, or Clyde
happens to be in the building, like I want to
go say hi, because Clyde is still coolest dang guy
this side of Joe Namath, Right, those two guys. Growing
up in the seventies in New York, that was the
definition of the cool professional athlete. And Clyde still has
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that in his eighties, and so does Joe. Anytime you
talk to him or you're around him. We've changed. It's
a different era, but it's been so long, and I
think what's cool about New York for the fans is
that those fans when this team was unwatchable, they went
and enjoyed good basketball from the opponents. Games that the
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garden always matter to players that walk up that ramp
to go into the building. And I think to have
the best basketball in the world, the NBA Finals in
that building, plus the New York part of it makes
it makes it really cool. It's gonna be a great files.
I cannot wait to be off and watch Not Shaved
and watch Breen and those guys work for a couple
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of weeks. I'm looking forward to the finals.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Will you go to a game?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Uh No, this is the whenever this ends either tonight
or Game seven on Saturday. That's the end of the
run that started in September with Sunday Night football and
the Olympics in Super Bowl and started the NBA for
US at NBC. And so this is this is the
last three hundred and sixty five yards of the marathon.
So I Am going to go home and chill until
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the US opened a couple of weeks, and then chill
after that. But I will I will enjoy watching for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Do you have broadcasting superstitions on game Day?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
No? No, not really. I have patterns and habits, but
it's not like, oh my gosh, if I don't need
a Caesar salad with chicken, this is going to be
a bad broadcast. Although although with Reggie Miller and Zora
Stevens that we have ordered more Caesars with Chicken and
NBA arenas than the most people over the last two
But this has been I forgot how much fun the
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NBA is. This has been so much fun. And Rege
and Jamal and Sora and Ashley Shamany we have had.
We've had the greatest time. I g if if there's
anything I'm rooting for tonight, I'd love to get us
to a game seven because I'd love to do two
more days with this group. We've had a blast and
you have Reggie out every week, so everybody knows how
fun Redge can be. I mean two weeks on the
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Road of the Ridge that really three and a half
weeks has been just all times fun and Jamal the same,
So it's been great.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think Jamal has been unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
He's great Dan. His story is his vision. What he
sees in the game is really good. And you know,
three man booths work or don't work based on a
ton of things. These guys are so giving and they
talk to each other. You know, we go a couple
of possessions and they're going back and forth and back
and forth. I'm just sitting there listening to them like
there's no reason to get in the way of this.
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And that starts in the car, it happens at lunch,
it continues on the air, and that's when you have
something good. So I'm having the greatest time and shout
out to these two cities like they'll be the small
market against the big market. But man, like I have
a headache, my ears ring for thirty minutes coming out
of the building and I because your headphones are craked
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up because you can't hear each other. And it's so
this has been so much fun.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
It's been great before I let you go. The NFL
growth here, I know now it feels like we're kicking
Sunday one o'clock games to the curb. Yeah yeah, but
I understand it because I'll watch one game at one o'clock.
I'll watch, you know, a four to thirty game, you know,
occasionally the red zone. But then you watch a standalone
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game on Sunday, in a standalone game on Monday, and
a standalone game. This is what all of these different
partners want. But where do you stand on sort of
the I don't if you say the fragmentation of what
used to be the NFL schedule and where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I used to get frustrated. I go back to forty
years ago. I get really frustrated that I couldn't watch
the Bengals play at one o'clock when they were all
that good, or even when they were halfway decent. Pick
a team like because I liked football, so you know,
having four or five games in the one clock window
still fine. There are weeks it gets thin. There are
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weeks towards the end it gets thin. I think to
avoid it getting thin, what I would suggest is that
the league does what the Premier league does. Here's who
you're playing December thirteenth. We're not going to assign starting
times or TV networks until like a month out, so
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we'll know that in those individual windows there are good games.
Because bad games and individual windows hurt the product. Good
games help, so there will be the best game. But
make sure you've got a game of some meaning. And
I think the only way to do that from mid
November on is to Okay, Thursday nights you almost have
to assign for travel logistics, so people will get backed
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up with that. But I would put the week twelve
fourteen sixteen scheduled just like we do the last week
of the season. Let's wait and then we don't have
to do it a week before, three or four weeks before.
You're the Sunday night, you're the Monday night, you're the
Sunday afternoon, Saturday afternoon. That's the way I think the
individual windows can still maintain significance. Have a good four packet,
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one three pack at four thirty and go from there,
just one guy's opinion. It's like same thing. Nothing's easier
to do than tell somebody else how to do their job.
So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Congratch again on the Sports Emmy and uh, thank you
have fun.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Good to talk, Thank you pal. Yeah, good talking with you.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Man, Iome Sraight, Mike Jurko, he's the voice of well,
he's just the voice NBC Football Night in America and
Basketball and the super Bowl and the Olympics, Kentucky Derby
US Open Open Championship. He'll be on the call tonight.
That'll be Game six in San Antonio, eight thirty Eastern
on NBC and Peacock will take a break. Our Play
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calls coming up. It's been pointed out to me by
my Dodger source. Keep in mind LA uses a six
man rotation that means shoheu tani will get about six
less starts than his competitors. That might keep him from
winning the cy Young. I think you got to get
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to around one hundred and seventy seventy five innings. That's
kind of where we've been the low end of those
who have won the cy Young in recent years with
the new way that we present starting pitchers in Major
League Baseball. He's Joey Vado. He played seventeen years and
he was a six time All Star. He won an MVP.
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He'll be working for NBC Sports later this summer their
baseball coverage in the wild Card playoffs. Great to see
you again, It's Sue. Where have you been in the
last year?
Speaker 9 (37:11):
I have been all over I spent about three months
in Japan, a couple months in Mexico City, all over Europe.
I've seen some incredible places around the world. I spent
a month surfing in Sri Lanka. I could keep going,
but you know, you travel and you think I'm going
to see the whole world, and you realize there's only
so much you can see as y'll and not too
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long experience.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Okay, did you become a sushi chef?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I did? I did.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
I did a five week course at the Tokyo Sushi
Academy in Shinjuku. The best part about it was nobody
knew who I was, and so they bullied me the
whole time. I was raised in the kitchen. My father
was a chef. My parents had a restaurant for five years.
And it brought me back to when I was seven
years old being told to sweep this up and mop
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this up and carry that bucket. And I didn't say
anything for the five weeks, and it wasn't until the
end that I thanked them and I shared what I
did for a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And then you went surfing in Sri Lanka? How is
the surfing in.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Sri Lanka fantastic? The best?
Speaker 9 (38:15):
But I've been all over I surfed in Ireland, I
served in Portugal, Spain, Japan.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I've surfed all over the world.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
So wait, surfing in Ireland fantastical?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Like the best? It's my favorite place.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
Actually, it's because the traffic is there's so there's much
less people there and the conditions are excellent.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, island's great.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Are you doing a TV show about your travels?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
No?
Speaker 9 (38:39):
Why, I've got nothing to say. I'm not that interesting.
This is my best moment in life right here exchanging
with you.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Wait, wait, you're the most interesting man in the world.
Forget the guy on the days Eki's commercial.
Speaker 9 (38:53):
No, No, I didn't do I don't think it's a
good idea to do that, And really, I don't think
any one's interested.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I am. I was fascinated when I saw that you
were all over the world doing all these great things.
And you know, you spent seventeen years in the Major League,
so probably add another what five or ten to that
where you didn't get to do these things. And a
lot of athletes are that way after they retire. They're like,
I didn't get to go to an Indy five hundred
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or the Kentucky Dirt you know, like normal things that
we can go to. But it felt like you were
you had a bucket list of these are places I
want to go and things I want to do.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
Not to be disrespectful to the athlete community in general,
but I get scared of being someone that talks about
the past, that talks about the days of yore and
how special I was and how I did this and that,
and magazine covers and all this celebrity type experience. And
I promise myself. You're going to go see the world
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and you're going to see how people live, and you're
going to participate, maybe not live it exactly, but like
witness it and be reminded you're not special at all.
Nobody cares about you, Nobody even wants to hear about
your story. And the more I travel, the more I
feel like it humbles me in the best of ways.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And I had a terrible during the course of my career.
You get it. You develop a terrible ego, an awful ego.
Speaker 9 (40:19):
And even though I come off as I can act
like I have humility, inside, I thought I was special,
and just the traveling alone reminded me that you're not
special at all.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Get in line.
Speaker 9 (40:32):
When I was in the line for seventy five minutes
outside of a you know, a taco stand or coffee
shop or something, and I'm standing there like everybody else,
and I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
If I was back home, I'd be able to call
in and get to the front of the line. Here
They're like, dude, beat it.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, So where was the strangest place you were recognized?
Speaker 9 (40:56):
Yeah? You know, some places in Europe you cross paths
with people, but almost no where and that was such
a such a gift. I mean, I'm not a I'm
not a famous person, and I played in a small market.
But to be able to just really be left b
and and it was just the constant reminder of how
unspecial you are. Is being shoved in the subway. You know,
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you you're in Mexico City or you're in Tokyo and
people are hissing at you because of like, because you're
too much in their space, or you're stepping on their
foot or your bag should be between your legs. Was just,
you know, a constant reminder of, dude, you couldn't be
less special.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
But the amazing part you were wearing your Cincinnati Reds
uniform when you were traveling and nobody recognized you.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Wow, my EyeBlack, you know my number on the back?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Are we taking Otani for granted?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
He hasn't even gotten hot.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
I know that he's had a really nice start to
the pitching side of things, but offensively, I don't even
sense that. And I was reading that he's still not satisfied.
But I saw some stuff yesterday in his swings that
tell me we really and I don't like using hyperbole.
I think I'm going to try to in the course
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of my media career to be as tame as possible.
But I really think we might be in the middle
of one of, if not the greatest season in the
history of baseball. And I say that because, first of all,
most of the all time great seasons have asterisks that
slash question marks and the other bit. A few were
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before integration was even a part of the game, and
so the extreme ends of greatness were mitigated because integra,
because integration was a part of the game. And he's
playing against the very, very best in the world now,
So to me, I think we're on We have a
chance to see one of the great seasons of all time.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
It feels like the cy Young is really important to him,
and I mean he's got I don't know, if you
say unfair advantage. He created the unfair advantage that he
gets to hit and pitch at a very high level.
He's going to win another MVP this year.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Right, nothing's for sure.
Speaker 9 (43:13):
The starting pitcher for the Philly Sanchez has had an
excellent start. We typically don't give away the MVP two pitchers,
but it's going to be five and six years if
he wins it.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
It's going to be unanimous if he wins it.
Speaker 9 (43:25):
I really think, I really think we're talking about Tiger
Woods in our lifetime, Michael Jordan in our lifetime. I
think we're talking about one of the great athletes of
the twenty first century. And I don't know if it's
because of the nature of baseball in that you watch
us every day and we don't wow you, and we
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ask you to kind of tune in on a daily
basis and evaluate us at the end of six and
seven months. But at the very end of the season
show he is not only going to give you the goods,
but he's also going to do it both sides of
the ball. And I don't think we'll have ever I
don't know if we'll ever see this sort of greatness
for a long while. I don't know if we'll see
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it in our lifetime, unless you know, Sam Altman and
and Elon step in and extend their lives a couple
hundred years, so we'll see.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I got you facing Otani once.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
Yeah, yeah, funny enough. That ended my career essentially, And
it was the day he got his second Tommy John
that it was like the uh, it was a bad
moment for the.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Both of us.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Wait what happened?
Speaker 9 (44:34):
Well, he in this after his second after that, maybe
the third or fourth inning, blew out his arm for
his second Tommy John. He left one of the most
impressive I'll tell a quick Joe hey Otani story, one
of the most impressive things I've ever seen on a
baseball field. He got taken out in the third or
fourth inning because he needed a second Tommy John. He
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before he came out of the game, he went up
to bat and hit a ball one hundred and seventeen
miles an hour into the right field stands for a
home running against a left handed pitcher, and then left
and had surgery. I mean, who is this alien? And
then me, I just I ended up popping out against him,
and you know, so, yeah, he's a big guy.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
He's a big guy. He's a big six' four probably two. Forty,
yeah and he's as. Fast he's as fast as. Anyone,
also so he's got a lot of things going FROM.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I was wondering about this that The Baseball Player association
talking about there should be a minimum level of. Spending
i've been preaching this for, years and you have certain
ownership that they will spend just. Enough but The Player association,
saying you know you want to get. Up we want
you to move. Up we want to raise the. Floor
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we may not have a, ceiling but we got to
raise the. Floor what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Proposal, Well i'm guessing that in any, negotiation if you
make such a grand ass there's going to, be you,
know a reaction to it in that donors will last
for something pretty specific on on the top. End and
is that what you want to.
Speaker 9 (46:09):
DO i don't know enough about the goals of The Players,
association BUT i can say that if they're asking asking a,
floor then there's going to be some real serious asks
on the top. End but you, know if if if
some of the smaller market teams can afford, it then
it should be. Done But i'm not sure if that's the.
CASE i don't.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Know do you see a salary? Cap at some? Point
with Baseball.
Speaker 9 (46:34):
During the entire course of my career and the generation,
before the constant fight was no salary. Cap it was
always that that if there was anything we stood, for
it was we don't even want to hear the language
of a salary. Cap i'm not in the game, anymore
And i'm apprehensive of speaking on what the current group
of you know players their goal. Is if that's what
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they're their objective, is then then you, know respect to.
Them but WHEN i, played even mentioning even mentioning a
salary cap might get you in a. Fight And i'm
talking about like an actual in clubhouse. Confrontation so you,
know we'll see.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
The automated balls and. Strikes how comfortable would you be
stepping in with that part of the game.
Speaker 9 (47:23):
LOOMING i was one of those players That i'm the
type of guy to, defer AND i think it's in
my nature to be. Deferential whether WHEN i was a younger,
PLAYER i would defer to the, veterans whether it was
like the big tough guys on the, TEAM i would,
Defer AND i THINK i would have had a really hard.
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TIME i THINK i would have had a really hard
time with the taking a strike away from my team
and us needing it in it later in the, game
like getting it, wrong and SO i THINK i would
have more most of the time just passed UNLESS i
was like for, sure for sure that in this moment
the team needs me to get it.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Right SO i don't.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
KNOW i THINK i would have taken a lot of
balls and let them be called strikes and on the
rare occasion you stepped.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
In do you like the automated balls and strikes in some?
Speaker 9 (48:19):
Occasions, yeah but it makes me a little nut seeing
guys be consistently. Selfish you, know there's moments where you'll
see a picture emotionally react and tap his hat and
the balls half a foot, outside and it's, like, dude
we only got two of those and the game's two
to one in the eighth, inning and we needed we needed.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
That and SO i think that.
Speaker 9 (48:37):
There's there's going to be times where there's going to,
be you, know inside of the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Headbutting BUT i don't. KNOW i like.
Speaker 9 (48:47):
IT i like it, Fine But i'm always about protecting
the team and the culture of the, team AND i
just DON'T i worry that one particular player can ruin
the entire vibe because they're selfish with the.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
ABS i hope that we get to the point like,
tennis where they just have it and it's up on
the jumbo tron and the umpires are going to be
there to pull people out and safe and maybe catchers.
Interference but balls and, strikes do you have any problem
if it's out of the umpire's hands and it's just
basically you're doing computers.
Speaker 9 (49:21):
Here, NO i think that they found the right sweet.
Spot the umpires need to be held to, account the
players need to be held to, account and then the
fans need to be. SATISFIED i do like the language
from the umpires that will yell at the dugouts if.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
You don't like the, call challenge.
Speaker 9 (49:37):
It and you've seen that over and over and over,
again because, unfairly they're both being called out by their.
Name they're both they're being embarrassed on the big board
and on replays in a game that happens like, that
and people are saying and then they get endless. Criticism
but then when they get it wrong and you don't challenge,
them you get to criticisize them.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Also AND i really feel for the umpires and that in.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
This but they might embarrass you with a bad. Call
nobody finds it's not. Intentional it's not. Intentional you never
never felt an umpire intentionally well you can say it, now.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Oh multiple. Occasions but that's that was.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
More so this was ego against, ego like they had
a problem.
Speaker 9 (50:24):
With, yeah, yeah but it was a bit more of
a wild the Wild. West WHEN i first came, up
there was, like, hey young, buck you have nothing to
say to?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Us strike.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Was This Joe?
Speaker 2 (50:37):
West, No joe was very. Professional he was very.
Speaker 9 (50:43):
PROFESSIONAL i know he had he had the strike zone
that he called perfectly for years and there was no
games to be. Played but that being, said if he checked,
him he wouldn't ding you with a with a blow
of thebelt. Strike he would walk up to you face
to face like, this say do you have something to?
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Say young? Men but do you should be?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Done but do you agree That maddox And glabin And,
Smolts bonds And bogs And carew And gwynn like they
they got the benefit of the? Doubt like should players
get the benefit of the?
Speaker 9 (51:19):
Doubt then they may, Have but not now with not
now with a, bs not, now but with. Abs BUT
i think that back then for. Sure but you have
to remember those guys bent the. Ball maddix bent the ball,
horizontally and that appears as if it's in the.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Zone and it exits the.
Speaker 9 (51:40):
Zone and it's the same with with the same With,
glab and same with all the guys you were. Described
Roy halliday was the many, recipes is the exact same
way they would bend the ball in and out of the.
Zone and that was the that was the game they were.
Playing they were trying to create delusion of stride.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Ball who had the best stuff that you ever, faced
where you just said this is this is somebody from
a different.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Planet i'll tell you a quick.
Speaker 9 (52:04):
STORY Cc sabbathia got traded over to The Milwaukee. Brewers
and he's six foot, seven two hundred and eighty five,
pounds big intimidating guy and left handed.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Pitcher And milwaukee has these has these.
Speaker 9 (52:20):
Shadows And Dusty baker went on my Birthday september, tenth
on my birthday Said ceec's throwing. TOMORROW i want you
to take the day, off AND i, go, NO i
want to face.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
THEM i want to face.
Speaker 9 (52:30):
Them and he, starts strikes me on four, times fires
a few, fires a few balls up.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
And in at my.
Speaker 9 (52:38):
Chin and he's the type of guy that not only
will strike you, out not only will he dominate, you
But i'll throw a ball at, you walk up to.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
You snatch the ball and be like you want to
fight sort of.
Speaker 9 (52:49):
Thing SO cec was the toughest guy for me because
of the combination of, stuff an intimidation, factor and he'd fight,
you and he'd fight. YOU.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Pauli do you have his numbers against.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
The of course we.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Do Joey vado was three for sixteen in his, career
hit one eighty eight Versus.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Sabathia, okay you got three knocks off of you.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
And the rest were. Strikeouts or you, know a little,
tapper no, tapers.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Feeble. Tap imagine if you tried to bunt On Nolan
ryan back in the.
Speaker 9 (53:21):
Day, yeah these, guys it was a Different And i'm
going to go on WITH bk later ON Mlb network
and talk About Wan soto and how the game has
changed in terms of in terms of how the celebration
is a part of the game and how it used
to be a threat to your own, livelihood a threat
to your health if you celebrate. It and and the
(53:43):
game has, CHANGED i think for the best because the
pitchers don't get to police the game. Anymore but you,
know sometimes it gets a.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Little out of. Hand it's great to talk to you,
Again good to see.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
You where where's the next.
Speaker 9 (53:56):
Trip i've got a round of golf On. Saturday that's the,
Farthest i'll go down the.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Street, okay.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
We'll talk to you. Later maybe this summer you start
your baseball coverage WITH. Nbc can't.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Wait thanks, Then thank you.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Buddy Joey, evatto the most interesting man in the. World
he'll be an analyst FOR Nbc sports later this summer
Wild card. Playoffs he's a good. Interview he is an interesting.
GUY i don't know if he knows how good he,
is but he's Like Jamal, crawford like there are certain
guys AND i will talk to. Them And Chris weber
(54:30):
always has his, Story like there's certain guys that they just, go,
oh you. Know that reminds me music to my ears
when a guest, says, oh you know, what here's a
story ivn't. Told, Yes i'm all. Ears so thank you
To Joey. Evatto we'll take a break back after.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
This
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