June 1, 2026 • 49 mins
DP and the Danettes recap the Spurs' game 7 victory over the Thunder to advance to the NBA Finals. Spurs TV analyst Sean Elliott discusses the rapid rise of Victor Wembanyama, comparing his relentless pursuit of greatness to Kobe's. NFL insider Albert Breer recaps the ongoing uncertainty surrounding AJ Brown and breaks down the Vikings' quarterback competition.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It was a year ago where we talked about at
this time Wemby's blood clot and what it's going to
mean moving forward for the Spurs. Here we are a
year later and we're talking about the future of the sport.
Actually the future is now because he is the face
of the sport. And the Spurs beat the Thunder, they
go to the NBA Finals, they will be favored to
win it all, and they will be favored in Game
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one at home by four and a half against the Knicks.
As we always do, we tend to look at the
team that got eliminated before we look ahead to the
finals matchup between these two with the Okac Thunder. It's
easy to overreact sometimes and sometimes you just have to say, hey,
we got here last year and we won the title. Yes,
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we were taken to seven games a couple of times.
You went to seven games here, you did lose it home.
You battled injuries. You had depth, but you battled some
injuries there going in into the last couple of games there,
you do have the chet Homegren issue question mark. And
keep this in mind because his contract five years two
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hundred forty million dollar contract kicks off next season. Just
over forty one million next season. Jalen Williams banged up
throughout the postseason. His five year, two hundred forty million
dollar extension begins next season. I understand Chet holmgren fascination
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with guys who are that big, talented, can handle the
ball both ends of the floor. That's a rough Game seven,
that would be a no show, and that would really
concern me because you're going to be facing Victor Wimbenyama
for the next ten years if you stay in the West,
you're going to be facing him. And it's almost as
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if when he dunked on you in Game seven, that
pretty much signaled the see you later, Chet, because he
was gone mia way. He wasn't even in action, but
he was missing on the court, and that was really
what was surprising here. That would be the one thing
I would look at and go okay moving forward. Here,
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he's your guy, second and defensive Player of the Year.
He's been an All Star, and I just didn't see
any fight. You're at home, the crowd is on your side,
teammates are imploring you to be a little more aggressive
when you don't get a shot off in the second half.
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I get some impossible you feel like somebody that big,
that tall, and you're not involved in anything. And his
numbers were kind of pedestrian in the series, ten point
seven rebounds, had one assist, one block per game. Okay,
you're supposed to be an All Star. You're supposed to
act like an All Star, like Jalen Williams. I understand
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he was not healthy, but Chet Holmer, it's got to
be great or at least good, and if he was good,
they win.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
But he was not. I mean, Wenby didn't have an
incredible game. The team did.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And that should be even scarier to Okac and everybody
else because if you shut down Wemby or you contain Wemby,
I mean, Stefan Cassel has been great both ends of
the floor. And this is a team that's younger than you.
That's another concerning aspect. Now, I know Okac has all
these draft picks, draft capitals, we like to say, Okay,
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what are you going to do with those? Are you
going to do anything? Can you move Chet Holmgren? Do
you want to move Chet Holmgren? I think you know
in the moment, we love to react, overreact, and I
would say it'd be an overreaction. I have to have
Chet Holmgren learn how to be up to the moment,
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to rise to the moment, to want to be great.
And I didn't see him want to be great. Wemby
wants to be great. You saw how important this was.
I mean he's hugging people like he just got married.
I mean this was important to him. He took away
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his lunch money. Wemby took Chet's lunch money away, and
that was really what was surprising.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But give credit to OKC. It's a balanced team.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You got some players that you probably didn't realize we're
going to be contributors. Dylan Harper grew up right in
front of us. You saw actually the maturity of him.
Stefan Castle gets knocked to the floor and he's getting
ready to get up and maybe you know, start a
fight with Caruso. Harper goes down and almost like an
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MMA move, holds him to say no, no, don't do
anything stupid. Darren Fox rewarded after years in Sacramento. They
have a fun team here. It's a good team and
I know people are gonna get caught up in well
who would the Knicks rather play What doesn't matter. This
is who's in front of you. But I think it'll
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be a wonderful series. And I can't help but go back.
I have a shoe in front, and it's Tim Duncan,
one of his shoes that he wore when he won
the title in New York. He signed one of his
shoes when he came in to do an interview after
they won the title. And I've kept that shoe there.
But that's from nineteen ninety nine, when Tim Duncan's twenty
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two years of age, which is what Wemby is right now.
It happens fast and it's all about winning now. Okac
is built for the future. San Antonio is built right now.
And you got these draft picks and Oka see do
you use them? Is Yannis the answer? Because sam amok
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great writer for The Athletic, said that Okac was not
involved in the on his sweepstakes, but maybe they are now.
Nothing should be off the table when the end goal
wasn't reached. Also, maybe there's a chance the Thunder would
reach out for Evan Mobley of the Cleveland Cavaliers. The
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Cavaliers GM Kobe Oltman said Mobley isn't going anywhere. There's
gonna be some teams trying to figure this out of
what do we do with Wemby, what do we do
with the Spurs? Because you got a twenty year old,
a twenty one year old, a twenty two year old,
those are the stars for the San Antonio Spurs, And
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I know we love to say, well, you know what,
they're going to be overwhelmed with a moment. Okay, see
defending champs home court advantage, And I thought they don't
know that, Like from experience, I've seen it where you
kind of had to lose on a big stage and
then you learn from it and then you come back
the next year San Antonio, you know, skip that chapter
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like they're like, why can't we win in okse That's
where you cut the line.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There's if you've ever seen like movies or of you know,
documentaries where there's people waiting outside the club Studio fifty
four to get in. I was always on the outside
and I couldn't get in. I couldn't get anybody's attention.
I'm sort of you know the Orlando Magic. You know,
I was like there, but I couldn't get in. They
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cut the line.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That's where they go.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh, right this way, San Antonio Spurs right there to
the NBA Finals pole question. We'll have that for you
coming up. Also, Tyler sitting by. You'll take your phone
calls eight seven seven three DP show email address DP
at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. Here's
Shay Gilgess Alexander, who did play well in Game seven,
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on his thoughts on this season.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
It was a failure, like I failed at my goal,
like I didn't achieve when I wanted to achieve. But
through my experiences, I learned the most about myself and
I make the greatest amount of increases I have in
my career when I fail at my goal and don't
get what I want and I look at this no different.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I understand what he's saying. You're the defending champs home
court advantage. Yes, this is a disappointing season. He was
great MVP again. He played well in Game seven. I
thought the Spurs did a wonderful job sending different bodies
and sometimes it's not the same size that you send
that a guy, you know, Castle, Dylan Harper, different sizes,
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that's what you want, you know, somebody can be quicker,
somebody can jump higher, somebody can be a bigger body.
That's what you want to do. You're sending different bodies
and that's what they do with great players, and they
did that with SGA. In the games that san Antonio won,
he didn't play that well, but he played well in
Game seven. But he knows bottom line is winning a championship,
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and rightfully so I understand. Like if san Antonio didn't win,
I don't know if i'd say it's a disappointing season. Okay,
see is defending champs home court advantage. Yes, you didn't
even make it to the finals, Dylan, what's pole question
for the first hour phone calls will get to those
best and worst of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
What do you have.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Well going off that we can ask the people? Was
the thunder season of failure?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (09:31):
SGA is right?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Or no?
Speaker 6 (09:32):
They got to Game seven of the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay, yeah, I would say it's a disappointment. Here is
Shay Gilgis on just how well the Spurs played.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
Shay, you guys had some opportunities to kind of take
control of this one. What did you see is kind
of the differences and not being able to kind of
get over the hump and wrestle control completely away.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
Yeah, they were just the better team tonight. We start
to finish and then every time we try to like
cut into it and take USh old of the game.
I felt like they had an answer and if a
lot of times you felt like it was like tough
shot making. So that's up to them. So yeah, they
just they played better tonight and they deserve to winning gains.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, take an ownership of it. It's not on him,
but as a leader, he'll take it. And the Game
seven loss to San Antonio, the NBA has now gone
eight consecutive seasons without a repeat champion.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
This is what you want if you're the NBA.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You want more blood, new blood in there, and you
got it. I get the international part of this with Wemby,
you get New York City, you get a team in
San Antonio might be viewed as an underdog even though
they're the favorites, the Knicks with the crowd, with the Garden.
This is what you want. You want to have these matchups,
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and you got it. So the NBA, this is like
the Dodgers Yankees last year, Like this is what you want.
You just hope that it lives up to that billing.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yes, Dylan, the Knicks actually have the opportunity to make
a special kind of history, Dan. They could be the
first team in NBA history to win the NBA Cup
and the NBA Finals the same season.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, Michael Jordan never did that. He did not, He didn't, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 10 (11:24):
And we were here for that, Dan, I'm glad you
stuck around for that.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah. I wasn't going to retire and some till somebody
did that, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Going back to SGA saying the season was a failure,
he said it, and he volunteered it. It's like, it's okay,
he volunteered it. Was it three years ago twenty twenty three,
Jannis was asked, was this season of failure? And it's
different if you're asked it, then if you volunteer it
and take control of it.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
How so?
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Well, like it's okay.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
For SGA to say it, to volunteer it because he
believes it. But when a journalist says it to Yiannis,
it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, that's for us to judge.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, yeah, oh that's true. Who were you talking? Hairdo
to say? Was it a disappointment. Yeah, you're right about that,
But I do think the Yannis sweepstakes. Does Golden State
get involved in this? I guess you got to say,
do the Lakers get involved in this? But what's it
going to take?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I mean Milwaukee needs needs to move on? The question
is what would it take to get Jannis? And what
is Yiannis?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Thirty four and he's a little bit older than what
people think might be thirty four? But to be able
to get him for a couple of years, and I
think OKAC has to look at this and say do
we want this? How does it work? A lot of
times when you go, oh, they should go get that guy. Oh,
Jannice is thirty one, they should go get that guy. Well,
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you got to have him. How does he figure into
the lineup with a ball dominant guard? Because that's another thing.
And if you're going to go get him, how does
that change? You know, people's roles and it's Chet Holmer
in there for the long haul or Jalen Williams Now
they're moving into big money. All right, Well, take a break.
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Phone calls coming up, best and worst of the weekend.
Settle on our poll question. We'll talk to Shawn Elliott,
what was it the Memorial Day miracle? The anniversary was yesterday,
I think for Sean when he hit the big shot
and sent them to the NBA Finals. Is that right, Marvin?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It is one of the harder shots you'll ever see
because Rashi Wallace, yes, all seven six wingspan of him.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, stretched out and he hit that shot.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
All right, So Shawn Elliott will join us in an
hour from now Albert Breer the Monday Morning Quarterback. As
we get ready, one of the worst kept secrets is
AJ Brown getting traded from the Eagles. Is there a
third team involved in this? Is it the Patriots and
dot dot dot? And if you know what they're asking for,
does somebody swoop in and say we'll give you something
even better than what the Patriots will?
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Sean Elliott won a title in nineteen ninety nine with
the Spurs. They beat the Knicks. He's a Spurs TV analyst.
Good to see you again, Sean. Can you go back
to the first time you saw Tim Duncan at twenty
two and Victor Wembenyama now at twenty two?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, I mean completely different players. Be honest with you, Dan,
you know the first time I saw Timmy play, I
mean I saw Timmy in person before he came over
to the house and whooped up on me on some
video games. I said, what this kid, he's got some
he's got some talent. I mean, he's one of those kids.
You show him how to do something you've been doing
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it for a long time, he does it better than
you in about ten minutes. And that's how he struck
me as a person. First, as a basketball player. Just
in practice. I thought he was extremely polished, really fundamentally sound,
but it wasn't like, you know, he was super athletic
or you could see the kind of shop blocking ability
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that he would develop later on. And you know, he
still had long ways to go with his game, but
he was pretty much there with Victor at twenty two
years old. He's still getting there. I still think he
hasn't really begun to reach his true potential. I don't
think he's even close. Actually, Dan, I feel like he's
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going to fill out a lot more. He's going to
continue to figure out the game a lot more. He's
going to continue to work on his game because that's
kind of a person he is, and that's the kind
of basketball player he wants to be. You saw what
he did with the Monks last summer. He worked with
Kevin Garnett, he worked with Jamal Crawford, he worked with
a King Olajuwan. You know, he wants to be great,
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and so I just I believe this is just the
beginning for him.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, when he's with the Tibetan Monks, what is he
trying to learn from them?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
You have to ask him that. I mean, I think
would be more, you know, being in a meditative state,
getting your mind and body connected, being able to block
out the noise and relieve stress. Because you know, he
for all the weight that he's carrying right now, it's
absolutely unbelievable the attention that he gets. You should have
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seen the games in France last year. He's the prince
of France. Literally, I mean, people flock to him, they
love him, and he's carrying the burden and the weight
of maybe an entire nation on his shoulders. And that's
a lot to ask for somebody who's so young, and
so you know, you he probably goes up in the
mountains to meditate a little bit. I know he did
some hard work. He was out there like pie May
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and killed Bill, you know, walking up mountains, driven in
the basketball, and so you know he's he's working on
his whole mind body connection and probably the probably just
being really centered.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Do you remember somebody who wanted to be the best
at this age, like he wants to be the best
player in the game right right.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
At this age. You know, Dan, I the only one
that really you know, stands out to me that has
that kind of drive that you know that I saw
at that young of age personally was Kobe Bryant That
that's the guy. You know, He's got that kind of
you know, instant instinct and that kind of drive and
determination where you know, you hear stories about Kobe where
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he's always constantly in the gym instead of going out
and doing things with other people, where he you know,
sacrificed his social life and everything that went with that
to be great. And that when I see Victor and
I see his habits, that's what reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The matchup with the Knicks. How do the Spurs match up?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Well, you know, I was looking at the games earlier,
the boxes of the games earlier this morning, and you
know I've called two of those games. I didn't get
to call the Cup game, but I watched it. And
the Knicks have always been a tough matchup for us.
They have been over the last three years. They've been
a tough matchup for us ever since Jalen Brunson got there.
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And you know, they have a team that I thought
this year just does a great job spreading the wealth.
You know, they play the way we play, where you
get everybody in on the offensive end of the floor.
It's not one man dominated, so they have a lot
of guys that can score the ball. I thought they
made a great trade in getting Jose Alvarado. I thought
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that was big time. When I saw that happen, I said, Okay,
that's the type of guy. I've always admired him from Afar.
He was a pest for us when he was in
New Orleans. But he brings so much energy off the bench.
And they have physical guys like Annanobi who's going to
get in you and get after you. Mitchell Robinson is
a tough, physical player. You know. Obviously, Carl Anthony Towns.
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We remember he gave us sixty in the Frost Bank
Center when he was in Minnesota Timberwolf, So you know,
at one point you could have argued that he was
the best offensive big man in the game. And so
with Bridges and the way Josh Hart brings the energy,
that's a that's a loaded ball club that's playing very
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good basketball. And this year, if you look at our games,
Dan they beat us in the Cup. We had to
come back from about twenty here at home to beat
them by two points, and then they beat us pretty
soundly in Madison Square Garden in early March, and so
this is going to be a really tough matchup for us.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Do you put stuff on Cassel on Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I would, I would, And I think he learned. He
continues to learn a lot of lessons. And he's taken
on that challenge all year long. It's not like all
of a sudden, he got to the Western Conference Finals
and we're gonna put him on SGA and see what happens.
That's not that's not Stephan Castle. He's been accepting the
role of guarding one of the toughest or if not
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the toughest or the best offensive wing player all season long.
That's just who he is. He's not afraid of that challenge.
He kind of relishes it. Then he steps up and
so he did a great job with SGA. It's as
good a job as you could possibly do with that guy, right,
And so he's done it all year long against the
greats in the game, and so he continues to learn.
He's got to be patient with Brunson because Brunson is
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incredibly crafty and clever and knows how to be pretty
much any type of defense you throw at him.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Talking to Sean Elliott, the Spurs TV analyst won a
title back in nineteen ninety nine when the Spurs beat
the Knicks. I don't know if I ever ask you this,
how do you repay your brother forgiving you a kidney?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
You can't. There's nothing you could do. I mean, there's
nothing that I can give him that we'll repay him.
That is a you know, but you know he's family,
and that's what family does, you know. He he doesn't
expect any kind of you know, any kind of for
me to reciprocate in any way. You know, it's just
what family does for each other. And so my brother's
doing extremely, extremely well. He's like the poster child for
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kidney donation. Have three kids after they've all gone to
college on scholarships, athletic scholarships. He's doing extremely well. And
so you know, there's no way you can repay them.
You just tell him thank you, and he's very content
with that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, But like you go to dinner, are you going
to pick up the tab or he needs a Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Court always his money's no good around me, you know that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, I was always I don't think I ever asked
you that, But and how are you feeling by the way.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'm doing great, man. I mean I had a you know,
I celebrated a lot this weekend, and so I'm you know,
getting back to normal. You go. I got my big
cup of Joe right here to get me, you know,
get me going this morning. And you know, hey, I'm
doing great.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I try to take care of myself. Hee right, I'm
trying to stay here, buddy. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
If I said you could put David Robinson up against
Wemby or Duncan up against Wemby, oh.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Well, that's a hard one. I got to tell you,
because Dave has the athleticism. Timmy is just one of
those guys that has. Timmy had great hands, of great
defensive instincts. They both did. I mean, Tim Duncan should
have won several Defensive Player of the Year awards. David
won Defensive Player of the Year. So I'm gonna say
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that's a tough one because I love both these guys.
I'm gonna I might air on the side of going
big Dave because he's just you know, really you know,
Dave was built like mister Olympia, you know, and he
could look at you know, kind of like that Mitchell
Robinson kind of mold where you're big and strong and athletic,
and he probably faced more bigs back in the day.
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Dan if I can swing it towards a day because
when Timmy came into the league, he was playing more
power forward. He guarded biggs, yes he did. But Dave
got he got them all. He got Shack, he got Patrick,
he got a team. You know, he got all the
big guys, Mark Eaton, who's seven five, I mean, he
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got all the big dudes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
But could you imagine Greg Papa bitch. If David Robinson
wanted to shoot where Wenby is shooting.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
He'd have his ass on the bench with some sailor language,
air force you know, you know, a drill sergeant language.
I mean pop pop. You know the thing is, it
wouldn't be just pop. I mean it would have been
Avery Johnson. Avery Johnson would have been in Big Dave
if he was out there shooting three balls. I mean,
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what we're seeing from him is just unnatural, it really is.
But I don't think that's even the strong suit of
his game.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But when did this change where we allowed seven footers
to shoot like they were shooting guards.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I think it was a guy like Dirk who really
started to get guys to try to stretch the floor
a little bit, more big guys to try to stretch
the floor. Now we had guys back in the day,
Bill and Beer could shoot it. I always refer to
Jack Sigma on our telecast and the way he could
shoot the ball from the outside, and as could as well.
But Dirk really took that to a different level with
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his ability to go outside and drag big guys away
from the basket. And then everybody wanted to be Dirk.
And that's what I would say on the telecast. You know,
every big guy steps in the league wants to be
Dirk Davitsky, but not everybody's Dirk Davitsky. And so you
have a lot of guys out there shooting a lot
of three balls, uh, and they're really negating their height
advantage because they're all out. Everybody's the same size outside
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the three point line. It doesn't matter if you're six four,
seven foot five. You all become guards out there. And
so some guys can do it, some guys can't, and
some guys shouldn't even try.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I know that Sga caught a lot of grief because
people watched him kind of foul baiting. But let let's
be fair to did was Jordan guilty of doing this?
We're oh Kobe and nobody did this?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
No, I never, I know, I never saw Michael Jordan,
you know, try to bait. That wasn't That wasn't a
thought process back then. I never saw Kobe try to
foul bait. Never, that was not a thought process. I
think we got in the early two thousands there, I mean,
we had guys that would flop from time to time
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in the league. I mean, that's that's obvious. But I
think the early two thousands we started to see more
of it, and then it just absolutely got out of
control where you had guys who manipulated the rules and
they were smart to do that, and they made careers
off of that. And I think a lot of young
players saw that coming up, and they saw that they
could make a living getting to the foul line. And
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with SGA, you know, my thing is that I just
that shouldn't be his legacy at the end of his career, right,
I mean, the guys before all this, I mean going
back to when I saw him right after the pandemic,
and they came to San Antonio several times, I was like,
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he had no answer for this guy. He was absolutely unbelievable.
And I didn't see him hit the floor or lay
on the floor one single time. And if he gets
back to that and continues to play the way he
played in Game seven, people are going to forget about
all the spout dating.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You had, the anniversary, the Memorial Day miracle. Yesterday, you
hit the shot over Rashid Wallace. I get such a
wild sequence there, Sean. What do you remember from it?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, I've told the story many times Dan that you know,
it was just one of those days where the ball
was just flying out of my hands. I didn't have
to think about my shot at all. If I got
a good look at the basket, I felt like it
was going in. I had a really great warm up
before that game where I shoot my typical twenty five
threes around at you know, five spots and missed one.
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And it was just just one of those days. And
when I caught the ball, I've spoken about it many times.
When I turned, I never saw Rashid, never Sawrahid Wallace.
If I saw Rashid Wallace coming at me, no way
I make that shot right. It's like like I told
the story. A couple of weeks ago, I played golf
with Lee Trevino one time and he got up on
the tea box. He said, all you amateurs, you guys
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see the sand and you see the water, he said,
the pros, we just see the fair way, right, And
that's all I saw. When I turned, all I saw
was the basket. I didn't see anything else.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
But you also had the presence to the ball got tipped,
you caught it. You looked down, so you know where
you are on the floor.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah, I think you know. In that moment, I was
looking more at the three point line to make sure
I was behind it. And you know the shot when
your heels are up, I mean, that's how you finish
a shot. Anyways, no one shoots a ball. No shooter
shoots the ball with their heels on the floor, And
so for me, I felt like it was a natural
shooting motion when I look at it, And people asked me,
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what was I thinking? I wasn't. There's no time to
think that situation. There really isn't. There isn't time to
assess the whole situation. You just turn. I saw the
basket and the shot was there.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Great to catch up with you again. Hopefully we didn't
didn't hold up a golf game this week like we
could have last year.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
No, no, it's no tea time this morning. Can you
believe that? I mean, there's my golf buddies to say,
I got Dan Patrick, you know twenty what times our
tea time. They're like, we didn't make a tea time today.
I say, oh, hell, okay, it's probably for the best.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
How's Tim Duncan doing.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I see him, and he he just looks like he's chilled.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Tim Duncan, that dude is so chill.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Let me tell you he's still the same timmy Duncan.
He he doesn't care about anything else. He just he's
so comfortable in his own skinned. And I mean, I
you know, he'll text me during the games, you know,
and I like to take shots at him. And our
deal is if I take a shot at you, you
can take a shot at me. You can text me
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and I have to read it on the air as
long as it's not too vulgar. I give him crap
about his age. I mean, all the time he tells me,
he's like, how the hell do you get away with that?
You're older than I am. People think I'm older than you,
you know, so I give him crap all the time.
But this guy, I mean sometimes i'll call him, I
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don't hear anything back. Well, he's riding motorcycles through South
America or I'm not kidding. I mean, he's enjoying the
hell out of his life and he deserves it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But you know, when he was there as a rookie,
I came down to San Antonio and I remember you
guys gave him all of the equipment, like you were
hazing him. He had to carry laundry and basketballs and
it was pretty cool to see that you guys were
roughing up your number one draft pick.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Well, that's what makes him so special, right, because he
wasn't a diva. He could have told us all to
go to hell, and we would have done exactly that,
and so you know, we wouldn't have had any choice,
and he just he just took it like like he
was a regular teammate. And that's why he is who
he is.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And he told me a story that he was at
the All Star Game and he was riding on the
elevator with Kevin Garnett and he said, Garnett is yelling
in his face, just yelling at him, and tim didn't
say a word. He just got off the elevator. And
this was Garnett trying to intimidate him.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Well, I saw that firsthand on the court. I was
two feet away from, you know, Garnett yelling in Timmy's ear,
and Timmy had absolutely no reaction at all. And that's
just who he was. I don't think I ever saw
I don't think I never saw Timmy talk trash on
the court. I never saw him go back at anybody
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or jawed anybody. He just let his game do the talking.
I mean, most mild mannered, calm guy, until you know,
you get between the lines and the lights are on,
like we say, the popcorns popping, and then he turned
into an assassin. But and that's the definition of an assassin, right.
You don't announce that you're there. You're just there to kill.
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And that's what he did.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Thanks again, have fun in the finals. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Sean anytime.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
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Speaker 3 (32:38):
Live.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He is Albert Breer, the Monday Morning quarterback, joining us
on the program. June first supposed to be a big
deal today. Why June first for aj Brown?
Speaker 11 (32:51):
Well, I think it's it's all related to the Eagles
cap situation, and you know it. I don't want to
bore anybody with the details of how this works, but essentially,
what doing it now versus doing it at any point
over the last three months will mean functionally for the
Eagles is pushing twenty seven million dollars off their salary
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cap this year into next year.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
And that's something they needed to do because.
Speaker 11 (33:17):
They've i mean really run out of contracts to restructure.
To their credit, They've been very win now the last
few years, and that's meant Jeffrey Lourie, their owner, spending
a lot of money cash over cap.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Not all owners are willing to do that.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
It's the part of why they've been as good as
they've been the last few years from a roster standpoint.
But it does create complications, and in this case, it
created a complication where it was much easier for them
to deal a j Brown after June first than before
June first. Now like that complication is an ideal for
the team. But you know, I do think like any
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good GM Howie Roseman's taken advantage of it, and that
it just allows for you to continue to survey the market.
And you know what that's basically meant for them? Dan is, Yeah,
like this has looked like it's going to be the
Patriots really since the end of March. But maybe somebody
has something materially changed their receiver situation.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
They get to OTAs and it's not what they thought
it was.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
There's a legal situation like Rossie Rice in Kansas City,
there's an injury somewhere, So there's always that chance that
something better comes along for a guy who's been a great,
great player for them, you know. But at this point,
they've got the framework of a deal in place with
the Patriots. The details still need to be hammered out,
but I'd expect that it gets done relatively soon.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, But if I'm the Chiefs or the Rams, yeah,
I'm curious what the framework here is and can we
exceed what the Patriots might be offering.
Speaker 11 (34:52):
So I think those are two good examples, right, So
I'll take you through both of them.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So with the.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Chiefs, I would say.
Speaker 11 (35:01):
They have a quarterback and Patrick Mahomes making a ton
of money. They're top heavy on their cap and so
it's for a long time been the big three for them,
Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey being the other two.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
But now they've got a bunch of other guys who
are extended as well.
Speaker 11 (35:15):
Right, So, like that's Nick Bolton at linebacker, George carl
Loftis at defensive end, it's Kreat Humphrey at center, it's
you know, it's Tray Smith, you know at guard. You know,
they just paid Kenneth Walker to come over and play
running back for them. So they've paid a lot of guys.
They're top heavy on their cap. It's a good problem
to have because they're a very good team. But what
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that means is you need draft picks to fill out
the rest of your roster, right, So you know, when
you're looking for the second guard or the defensive end
on the other side of Carl Loftis or your next corner,
it's best to have those guys under cost control, and
you use draft picks to get cost control talent.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
So I think that's why.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
The Chiefs have been you know a little bit, you
know more concerned with their draft picks over the last
few years, and and and and why they made the trade,
you know, sending Tyreek Hill to Miami, sending Trent mcduffee
to LA and they've been able.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
To refresh their roster that way.
Speaker 11 (36:12):
The Rams are interesting because they did go down the
road on trade with aj Brown, and you know that
happened back in March. And I would say like that
one fell apart because it would have been contingent on
corresponding trade with DeVante Adams. They couldn't quite thread that needle.
There was some concern with Brown's knee. But they're going
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forward with Devonte Adams and and and and pukin Nakua now,
you know, presumably eventually on a new deal. And I
think that they have moved on from Brown. But that
does not mean the Rams don't have a very big
swing left in them.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
It's just that one didn't quite work out.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
The Eagles were going to trade Devonte Smith as well. No, no, no,
DeVante Adams. Okay, yeah, the Rams.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
If the Rams had gotten Aj Brown, there would have
been a corresponding move to move because I mean, I
think at that, but it's not that they don't love
Devanta Adams the Rams do.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
It's just Adams and Brown play the same.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
Position, the same receiver spot, the ex position and like
having two older guys with some injury history together, it
could be a little problematic, which is you know why
you know, if they had gotten Brown, if the Rams
had landed Brown back in March, it would have meant
DeVante Adams going somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay, does it be who the Eagles to trade Aj
Brown today? Or as you said, somebody you know, Rashid
Rice situation, somebody gets injured, like it feels like June
I's happening.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
I know what you're saying. They've waited on this for
three months, you know. And and I think like there
is a human element to this too. Or Aj Brown,
I think has been a relatively good soldier through this
whole thing, knowing he's probably not going to be on
the team. And contrary to public belief, he's very well
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liked in that locker room. He's more popular than Jalen
Hurts in that Why wasn't he happy? I think what
I would say on that is this guy is an
ultra competitive guy, right, And I think too often we
make the mistake of assuming a guy can be competitive
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about his team's performance and not not as competitive about
his individual performance, if that makes sense. And you know,
I think all these guys think about their legacy, their
place in the game and all of that. And I
think for aj Brown, like he felt like he was
being held back individually with the way that Jalen Hurts plays,
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with the way the offense is built around Jalen Hurts.
And I you know, it's really interesting, Dan, because I
thought watching him last year, like.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Maybe he lost a little bit of a step.
Speaker 11 (38:56):
And when you talk to enough people who have evaluated him,
you know, in the league, who've had to compete against him,
there's like a little bit of a split, Like some
people think he has lost the step, and then other
people think he looked a little disinterested last year, like
the frustration had boiled over. And so look, I again,
he's still beloved in that building, you know what I mean. Like,
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and a guy who he was only there for four years,
he's top fifteen and catches receiving yards, touchdown catches all
time for them, went to two Super Bowls with them,
won a Super Bowl with them, So you know, I think,
you know, you want this to be as clean as
it possibly can be if you're the Eagles, because the
guy has done a lot of good for you. But
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you know, based on where he is with the quarterback,
I think it's just sort of time.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterback, I said all year long,
even the previous year, like there's something that goes on
with Jalen Hurts, Like like there was an undercurrent there
and I just didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I'm not saying he's a great regular season quarterback. I
think he's a big time, big game quarterback. He's shown that.
But I don't know why there was I don't know, frustration, discontent,
different offense. I mean he's had a different offensive coordinator
pretty much every year in the last even go back
to college.
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Yeah, the joke about being the Eagles offensive coordinators you
either get go to the super Bowl or fired, which
is actually the truth, you know, over the last over
the last four years.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
But I just I'm just there was success.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I didn't know if there was jealousy, Like what is
it that is there a central point there with and
is it just aj Brown who's frustrated with Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 7 (40:47):
You know, I think it's.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
Again like I think it's just sort of can relate
back to individual performance.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
And I do think, you.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
Know, like, let's say, you know, you're the guy who
is number two in the route or number three in
the route.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
You've gotten open three plays in a row.
Speaker 11 (41:08):
And the quarterback didn't see you, and you got your
hand in the air, and you're one of the best
receivers in football, and it's like, why isn't the ball
coming my way?
Speaker 7 (41:15):
I think it's stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You know, Wait, was justly are they doing? Was that
was he purposely ignoring aj Brown?
Speaker 7 (41:23):
I don't think so. I don't know.
Speaker 11 (41:25):
I mean, I can't climb and Jalen hurts his head,
But I know that there was the perception that that's
where the disconnect was.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
And and and again Dan like, these guys only.
Speaker 11 (41:36):
Have eight, ten, twelve years to play football at the
highest level, right, And so I think a lot of them,
many more than are willing to admit. Do think about
am I going to Is my name going to be
up in the ring of honor? Am I going to
be wearing a gold jacket at the end of this
How am I going to be remembered versus my peers
for you know, AJ Brown, it might be like, how
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am I going to be remembered against like the guys
who preceded me, like a Julio Jones or an AJ
Green or a Calvin Johnson?
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Am I in that category?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
You know?
Speaker 11 (42:06):
And everybody's so focused on numbers in this day and
age that you know, it's like okay, like well, like
let's wind them up one versus the other. And if
you look at it, right, he had I think fourteen
hundred yards are right around there in each of his
first two years in Philly, and he was down closer
to one thousand the last two.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
And I think that sort of illustrates what the frustration is.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, well the Eagles don't complete passives. They're bottom five
last year pass which is crazy.
Speaker 11 (42:37):
Even part of that Saquon too, right, as like you
have Saquon Barkley, you wouldn't if you if you got
a Maserati in the garage, you're going to take it
out for a spin.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, but I got I got Porsches, you know too,
is my wide receivers here. I got a good tight
end and two good wide receivers, so you know, whenever
I get in the garage is going to go pretty fast,
and there's a lot of wide receivers out there. Unsigned yeah, yeah,
you see, like when when does movement start with those players?
Speaker 11 (43:07):
So you're talking about like your there'll be some names
the like Deebo Samuel Okay, yeah, so I would say
with most of these, right, and I put like your
you know, you're Gdevian Clowney, You're Joey Bosa. Like it's
I think what's what we've seen evolve over the last
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like ten years or so, is more often you have
these guys that are out there on the market, Like now,
Tyreek Hill's coming back from a really catastrophic injury, right,
so like you got.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
To see where he is physically.
Speaker 11 (43:43):
You know, Devo's a year older, you know, I I
you know, I think you could probably put DeAndre Hopkins
in this category.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Two.
Speaker 11 (43:51):
I think you know, like the way that a lot
of these guys look at it that are older and
out there on the market is there's gonna be better
opportunity for me in July than there is in April
and May, and essentially for them, you know, they'll look
at it and say, well, all these teams want to
look at their young players now, you know what I mean,
Like you want to look at the guy who and
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and and they get them back in April, they get
them on the field in May for the first time.
They're in competitive drills right around now for the first time.
And so you know, say it's a third round pick
from two years ago and he hasn't quite lived up
to expectations, but you know he was out.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
In California working out.
Speaker 11 (44:27):
Now he's back, that team's going to want to see
that player, right, and maybe that team makes a decision
at the end of.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
June, you know what, we just don't have enough at
this position.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Like that's j starts to.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Arrive OBJ with the Giants a second look at him, and.
Speaker 11 (44:45):
I mean, like sometimes people got but I think even
with him, do people realize how old he is, Like
this is me his thirteenth year. He's in the same
draft class as Johnny Man's out and like he's the
same age as Mike Evans, you know, and we look
at Mike Evans as such an older player.
Speaker 7 (45:04):
I mean, I I you know, I.
Speaker 11 (45:06):
Think it's great like that that Odell Beckham wants to
keep playing football. I love that that he's got that
passion for the game that he wants to get back in,
and he really is going through the process that any
other player on the fringes of the league would go
through to make it back in. I just think we
have to have our expectations under control with some of
these guys and what they are now versus what they
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used to be. And there are guys across the board
like that, like Taylor Decker is another one, right, like
left tackle for the Lions with a centerpiece for them
over the last decade was a really important piece to
build for Dan Campbell and those guys, He's not what
he was before, you know, So you know, I'd say
it's a combination of sometimes are you know, the name doesn't.
Speaker 7 (45:48):
Quite match what the game is right now. So that's
a piece of it.
Speaker 11 (45:51):
But I think another piece of it is during May
and June, teams really want to spend a lot of
time looking at the younger players in the roster, see
they've come along, you know, And then I think, you know,
most of these guys look at it as someone's going
to be more desperate in July or August than they
are right now to fill my position.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Before I let you go, this Vikings quarterbacking situation when
Kyler Murray says all the right things and then JJ
McCarthy says, well, it's just like we're the other side
of the classroom. It's kind of like high school. Nothing
about hey, I can learn from him. He's had a
roller coaster ride in his career. And I don't know
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if this has a mushroom cloud at the end of
it of or is you know, Kevin O'Connell going to
be tamping this down during the season.
Speaker 11 (46:44):
I mean, I think it's interesting because I don't know
that the Vikings quarterback situation doesn't line up with the
timeline of the rest of the roster, right, the rest
of the roster, and you can go down the lesson
tons of guys either in the prime or the back
end of the prime of their careers. Right, so you
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know guys like Byron Murphy and Andrew Van Young Kinkole
and obviously offensively, you've got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison's close
to the end of his deal.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
TJ.
Speaker 11 (47:13):
Hawkins is now an older player, Christian darrisaw left tackle. Like,
they're invested in a ton of guys that are win
now players, and so like I think It's interesting when
you bring up like the discord there because last year
the intention was to put competition in the room for
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JJ McCarthy and Daniel Jones, and Sam Donald found better
opportunity elsewhere to become the long term starter. Like DJ
knew if he went to Indy there's a better chance
he was gonna be the long term guy there, the
same way Sam Donald knew that if he went to Seattle,
there's gonna be better opportunity to be longtime guy there.
So then they pivot and they decide, all right, like
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we're going to go all in on JJ. He gets
all the reps the team, his teammates are going to
know he's the quarterback.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
Un let's see where this goes.
Speaker 11 (48:01):
And it went where it went, and so now they've
created a competitive.
Speaker 7 (48:05):
Situation for him in the room again.
Speaker 11 (48:07):
And like the interesting thing about it is that roster
needs to win now.
Speaker 7 (48:13):
So no one's on scholarship anymore.
Speaker 11 (48:15):
His draft status doesn't matter, and it's whoever is the
best player for us to win right now? Is who
Kevin O'Connell is going to pick for that that's going
to be Kevin O'Connell's mindset in picking his quarterback now,
so it's different than it was last year. They're not
worried about the first round investment and the player anymore.
In fact, the GM who drafted JJ McCarthy tenth overall
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is now gone and there's a new GM coming in.
And so it's a really interesting situation because I think
most of us would have looked last year at Minnesota
and said that could be a twelve or thirteen win team,
And like, I don't think very many people are looking
at him that way anymore.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
And what's changed, well, you know, the quarterback position has changed.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Always great to talk to you. I know you have
a busy day to day. Thank you, Albert.
Speaker 7 (49:01):
All right, thanks TP.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's Albert Breer.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It was a year ago where we talked about at
this time Wemby's blood clot and what it's going to
mean moving forward for the Spurs. Here we are a
year later and we're talking about the future of the sport.
Actually the future is now because he is the face
of the sport. And the Spurs beat the Thunder, they
go to the NBA Finals, they will be favored to
win it all, and they will be favored in Game
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one at home by four and a half against the Knicks.
As we always do, we tend to look at the
team that got eliminated before we look ahead to the
finals matchup between these two with the Okac Thunder. It's
easy to overreact sometimes and sometimes you just have to say, hey,
we got here last year and we won the title. Yes,
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we were taken to seven games a couple of times.
You went to seven games here, you did lose it home.
You battled injuries. You had depth, but you battled some
injuries there going in into the last couple of games there,
you do have the chet Homegren issue question mark. And
keep this in mind because his contract five years two
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hundred forty million dollar contract kicks off next season. Just
over forty one million next season. Jalen Williams banged up
throughout the postseason. His five year, two hundred forty million
dollar extension begins next season. I understand Chet holmgren fascination
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with guys who are that big, talented, can handle the
ball both ends of the floor. That's a rough Game seven,
that would be a no show, and that would really
concern me because you're going to be facing Victor Wimbenyama
for the next ten years if you stay in the West,
you're going to be facing him. And it's almost as
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if when he dunked on you in Game seven, that
pretty much signaled the see you later, Chet, because he
was gone mia way. He wasn't even in action, but
he was missing on the court, and that was really
what was surprising here. That would be the one thing
I would look at and go okay moving forward. Here,
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he's your guy, second and defensive Player of the Year.
He's been an All Star, and I just didn't see
any fight. You're at home, the crowd is on your side,
teammates are imploring you to be a little more aggressive
when you don't get a shot off in the second half.
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I get some impossible you feel like somebody that big,
that tall, and you're not involved in anything. And his
numbers were kind of pedestrian in the series, ten point
seven rebounds, had one assist, one block per game. Okay,
you're supposed to be an All Star. You're supposed to
act like an All Star, like Jalen Williams. I understand
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he was not healthy, but Chet Holmer, it's got to
be great or at least good, and if he was good,
they win.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
But he was not. I mean, Wenby didn't have an
incredible game. The team did.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And that should be even scarier to Okac and everybody
else because if you shut down Wemby or you contain Wemby,
I mean, Stefan Cassel has been great both ends of
the floor. And this is a team that's younger than you.
That's another concerning aspect. Now, I know Okac has all
these draft picks, draft capitals, we like to say, Okay,
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what are you going to do with those? Are you
going to do anything? Can you move Chet Holmgren? Do
you want to move Chet Holmgren? I think you know
in the moment, we love to react, overreact, and I
would say it'd be an overreaction. I have to have
Chet Holmgren learn how to be up to the moment,
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to rise to the moment, to want to be great.
And I didn't see him want to be great. Wemby
wants to be great. You saw how important this was.
I mean he's hugging people like he just got married.
I mean this was important to him. He took away
(04:19):
his lunch money. Wemby took Chet's lunch money away, and
that was really what was surprising.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
But give credit to OKC. It's a balanced team.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You got some players that you probably didn't realize we're
going to be contributors. Dylan Harper grew up right in
front of us. You saw actually the maturity of him.
Stefan Castle gets knocked to the floor and he's getting
ready to get up and maybe you know, start a
fight with Caruso. Harper goes down and almost like an
(04:49):
MMA move, holds him to say no, no, don't do
anything stupid. Darren Fox rewarded after years in Sacramento. They
have a fun team here. It's a good team and
I know people are gonna get caught up in well
who would the Knicks rather play What doesn't matter. This
is who's in front of you. But I think it'll
(05:11):
be a wonderful series. And I can't help but go back.
I have a shoe in front, and it's Tim Duncan,
one of his shoes that he wore when he won
the title in New York. He signed one of his
shoes when he came in to do an interview after
they won the title. And I've kept that shoe there.
But that's from nineteen ninety nine, when Tim Duncan's twenty
(05:34):
two years of age, which is what Wemby is right now.
It happens fast and it's all about winning now. Okac
is built for the future. San Antonio is built right now.
And you got these draft picks and Oka see do
you use them? Is Yannis the answer? Because sam amok
(05:55):
great writer for The Athletic, said that Okac was not
involved in the on his sweepstakes, but maybe they are now.
Nothing should be off the table when the end goal
wasn't reached. Also, maybe there's a chance the Thunder would
reach out for Evan Mobley of the Cleveland Cavaliers. The
(06:16):
Cavaliers GM Kobe Oltman said Mobley isn't going anywhere. There's
gonna be some teams trying to figure this out of
what do we do with Wemby, what do we do
with the Spurs? Because you got a twenty year old,
a twenty one year old, a twenty two year old,
those are the stars for the San Antonio Spurs, And
(06:38):
I know we love to say, well, you know what,
they're going to be overwhelmed with a moment. Okay, see
defending champs home court advantage, And I thought they don't
know that, Like from experience, I've seen it where you
kind of had to lose on a big stage and
then you learn from it and then you come back
the next year San Antonio, you know, skip that chapter
(07:02):
like they're like, why can't we win in okse That's
where you cut the line.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
There's if you've ever seen like movies or of you know,
documentaries where there's people waiting outside the club Studio fifty
four to get in. I was always on the outside
and I couldn't get in. I couldn't get anybody's attention.
I'm sort of you know the Orlando Magic. You know,
I was like there, but I couldn't get in. They
(07:29):
cut the line.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
That's where they go.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh, right this way, San Antonio Spurs right there to
the NBA Finals pole question. We'll have that for you
coming up. Also, Tyler sitting by. You'll take your phone
calls eight seven seven three DP show email address DP
at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. Here's
Shay Gilgess Alexander, who did play well in Game seven,
(07:51):
on his thoughts on this season.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
It was a failure, like I failed at my goal,
like I didn't achieve when I wanted to achieve. But
through my experiences, I learned the most about myself and
I make the greatest amount of increases I have in
my career when I fail at my goal and don't
get what I want and I look at this no different.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I understand what he's saying. You're the defending champs home
court advantage. Yes, this is a disappointing season. He was
great MVP again. He played well in Game seven. I
thought the Spurs did a wonderful job sending different bodies
and sometimes it's not the same size that you send
that a guy, you know, Castle, Dylan Harper, different sizes,
(08:43):
that's what you want, you know, somebody can be quicker,
somebody can jump higher, somebody can be a bigger body.
That's what you want to do. You're sending different bodies
and that's what they do with great players, and they
did that with SGA. In the games that san Antonio won,
he didn't play that well, but he played well in
Game seven. But he knows bottom line is winning a championship,
(09:07):
and rightfully so I understand. Like if san Antonio didn't win,
I don't know if i'd say it's a disappointing season. Okay,
see is defending champs home court advantage. Yes, you didn't
even make it to the finals, Dylan, what's pole question
for the first hour phone calls will get to those
best and worst of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
What do you have.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Well going off that we can ask the people? Was
the thunder season of failure?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (09:31):
SGA is right?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Or no?
Speaker 6 (09:32):
They got to Game seven of the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay, yeah, I would say it's a disappointment. Here is
Shay Gilgis on just how well the Spurs played.
Speaker 8 (09:44):
Shay, you guys had some opportunities to kind of take
control of this one. What did you see is kind
of the differences and not being able to kind of
get over the hump and wrestle control completely away.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
Yeah, they were just the better team tonight. We start
to finish and then every time we try to like
cut into it and take USh old of the game.
I felt like they had an answer and if a
lot of times you felt like it was like tough
shot making. So that's up to them. So yeah, they
just they played better tonight and they deserve to winning gains.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, take an ownership of it. It's not on him,
but as a leader, he'll take it. And the Game
seven loss to San Antonio, the NBA has now gone
eight consecutive seasons without a repeat champion.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
This is what you want if you're the NBA.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You want more blood, new blood in there, and you
got it. I get the international part of this with Wemby,
you get New York City, you get a team in
San Antonio might be viewed as an underdog even though
they're the favorites, the Knicks with the crowd, with the Garden.
This is what you want. You want to have these matchups,
(10:54):
and you got it. So the NBA, this is like
the Dodgers Yankees last year, Like this is what you want.
You just hope that it lives up to that billing.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yes, Dylan, the Knicks actually have the opportunity to make
a special kind of history, Dan. They could be the
first team in NBA history to win the NBA Cup
and the NBA Finals the same season.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, Michael Jordan never did that. He did not, He didn't, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 10 (11:24):
And we were here for that, Dan, I'm glad you
stuck around for that.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah. I wasn't going to retire and some till somebody
did that, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
Going back to SGA saying the season was a failure,
he said it, and he volunteered it. It's like, it's okay,
he volunteered it. Was it three years ago twenty twenty three,
Jannis was asked, was this season of failure? And it's
different if you're asked it, then if you volunteer it
and take control of it.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
How so?
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Well, like it's okay.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
For SGA to say it, to volunteer it because he
believes it. But when a journalist says it to Yiannis,
it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, that's for us to judge.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, yeah, oh that's true. Who were you talking? Hairdo
to say? Was it a disappointment. Yeah, you're right about that,
But I do think the Yannis sweepstakes. Does Golden State
get involved in this? I guess you got to say,
do the Lakers get involved in this? But what's it
going to take?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
If?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I mean Milwaukee needs needs to move on? The question
is what would it take to get Jannis? And what
is Yiannis?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Thirty four and he's a little bit older than what
people think might be thirty four? But to be able
to get him for a couple of years, and I
think OKAC has to look at this and say do
we want this? How does it work? A lot of
times when you go, oh, they should go get that guy. Oh,
Jannice is thirty one, they should go get that guy. Well,
(12:48):
you got to have him. How does he figure into
the lineup with a ball dominant guard? Because that's another thing.
And if you're going to go get him, how does
that change? You know, people's roles and it's Chet Holmer
in there for the long haul or Jalen Williams Now
they're moving into big money. All right, Well, take a break.
(13:11):
Phone calls coming up, best and worst of the weekend.
Settle on our poll question. We'll talk to Shawn Elliott,
what was it the Memorial Day miracle? The anniversary was yesterday,
I think for Sean when he hit the big shot
and sent them to the NBA Finals. Is that right, Marvin?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
It is one of the harder shots you'll ever see
because Rashi Wallace, yes, all seven six wingspan of him.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, stretched out and he hit that shot.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
All right, So Shawn Elliott will join us in an
hour from now Albert Breer the Monday Morning Quarterback. As
we get ready, one of the worst kept secrets is
AJ Brown getting traded from the Eagles. Is there a
third team involved in this? Is it the Patriots and
dot dot dot? And if you know what they're asking for,
does somebody swoop in and say we'll give you something
even better than what the Patriots will?
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Speaker 2 (14:42):
Sean Elliott won a title in nineteen ninety nine with
the Spurs. They beat the Knicks. He's a Spurs TV analyst.
Good to see you again, Sean. Can you go back
to the first time you saw Tim Duncan at twenty
two and Victor Wembenyama now at twenty two?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, I mean completely different players. Be honest with you, Dan,
you know the first time I saw Timmy play, I
mean I saw Timmy in person before he came over
to the house and whooped up on me on some
video games. I said, what this kid, he's got some
he's got some talent. I mean, he's one of those kids.
You show him how to do something you've been doing
(15:22):
it for a long time, he does it better than
you in about ten minutes. And that's how he struck
me as a person. First, as a basketball player. Just
in practice. I thought he was extremely polished, really fundamentally sound,
but it wasn't like, you know, he was super athletic
or you could see the kind of shop blocking ability
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that he would develop later on. And you know, he
still had long ways to go with his game, but
he was pretty much there with Victor at twenty two
years old. He's still getting there. I still think he
hasn't really begun to reach his true potential. I don't
think he's even close. Actually, Dan, I feel like he's
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going to fill out a lot more. He's going to
continue to figure out the game a lot more. He's
going to continue to work on his game because that's
kind of a person he is, and that's the kind
of basketball player he wants to be. You saw what
he did with the Monks last summer. He worked with
Kevin Garnett, he worked with Jamal Crawford, he worked with
a King Olajuwan. You know, he wants to be great,
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and so I just I believe this is just the
beginning for him.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, when he's with the Tibetan Monks, what is he
trying to learn from them?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
You have to ask him that. I mean, I think
would be more, you know, being in a meditative state,
getting your mind and body connected, being able to block
out the noise and relieve stress. Because you know, he
for all the weight that he's carrying right now, it's
absolutely unbelievable the attention that he gets. You should have
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seen the games in France last year. He's the prince
of France. Literally, I mean, people flock to him, they
love him, and he's carrying the burden and the weight
of maybe an entire nation on his shoulders. And that's
a lot to ask for somebody who's so young, and
so you know, you he probably goes up in the
mountains to meditate a little bit. I know he did
some hard work. He was out there like pie May
(17:22):
and killed Bill, you know, walking up mountains, driven in
the basketball, and so you know he's he's working on
his whole mind body connection and probably the probably just
being really centered.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Do you remember somebody who wanted to be the best
at this age, like he wants to be the best
player in the game right right.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
At this age. You know, Dan, I the only one
that really you know, stands out to me that has
that kind of drive that you know that I saw
at that young of age personally was Kobe Bryant That
that's the guy. You know, He's got that kind of
you know, instant instinct and that kind of drive and
determination where you know, you hear stories about Kobe where
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he's always constantly in the gym instead of going out
and doing things with other people, where he you know,
sacrificed his social life and everything that went with that
to be great. And that when I see Victor and
I see his habits, that's what reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
The matchup with the Knicks. How do the Spurs match up?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Well, you know, I was looking at the games earlier,
the boxes of the games earlier this morning, and you
know I've called two of those games. I didn't get
to call the Cup game, but I watched it. And
the Knicks have always been a tough matchup for us.
They have been over the last three years. They've been
a tough matchup for us ever since Jalen Brunson got there.
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And you know, they have a team that I thought
this year just does a great job spreading the wealth.
You know, they play the way we play, where you
get everybody in on the offensive end of the floor.
It's not one man dominated, so they have a lot
of guys that can score the ball. I thought they
made a great trade in getting Jose Alvarado. I thought
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that was big time. When I saw that happen, I said, Okay,
that's the type of guy. I've always admired him from Afar.
He was a pest for us when he was in
New Orleans. But he brings so much energy off the bench.
And they have physical guys like Annanobi who's going to
get in you and get after you. Mitchell Robinson is
a tough, physical player. You know. Obviously, Carl Anthony Towns.
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We remember he gave us sixty in the Frost Bank
Center when he was in Minnesota Timberwolf, So you know,
at one point you could have argued that he was
the best offensive big man in the game. And so
with Bridges and the way Josh Hart brings the energy,
that's a that's a loaded ball club that's playing very
(19:52):
good basketball. And this year, if you look at our games,
Dan they beat us in the Cup. We had to
come back from about twenty here at home to beat
them by two points, and then they beat us pretty
soundly in Madison Square Garden in early March, and so
this is going to be a really tough matchup for us.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Do you put stuff on Cassel on Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I would, I would, And I think he learned. He
continues to learn a lot of lessons. And he's taken
on that challenge all year long. It's not like all
of a sudden, he got to the Western Conference Finals
and we're gonna put him on SGA and see what happens.
That's not that's not Stephan Castle. He's been accepting the
role of guarding one of the toughest or if not
(20:37):
the toughest or the best offensive wing player all season long.
That's just who he is. He's not afraid of that challenge.
He kind of relishes it. Then he steps up and
so he did a great job with SGA. It's as
good a job as you could possibly do with that guy, right,
And so he's done it all year long against the
greats in the game, and so he continues to learn.
He's got to be patient with Brunson because Brunson is
(21:00):
incredibly crafty and clever and knows how to be pretty
much any type of defense you throw at him.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Talking to Sean Elliott, the Spurs TV analyst won a
title back in nineteen ninety nine when the Spurs beat
the Knicks. I don't know if I ever ask you this,
how do you repay your brother forgiving you a kidney?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
You can't. There's nothing you could do. I mean, there's
nothing that I can give him that we'll repay him.
That is a you know, but you know he's family,
and that's what family does, you know. He he doesn't
expect any kind of you know, any kind of for
me to reciprocate in any way. You know, it's just
what family does for each other. And so my brother's
doing extremely, extremely well. He's like the poster child for
(21:46):
kidney donation. Have three kids after they've all gone to
college on scholarships, athletic scholarships. He's doing extremely well. And
so you know, there's no way you can repay them.
You just tell him thank you, and he's very content
with that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, But like you go to dinner, are you going
to pick up the tab or he needs a Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Court always his money's no good around me, you know that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, I was always I don't think I ever asked
you that, But and how are you feeling by the way.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'm doing great, man. I mean I had a you know,
I celebrated a lot this weekend, and so I'm you know,
getting back to normal. You go. I got my big
cup of Joe right here to get me, you know,
get me going this morning. And you know, hey, I'm
doing great.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I try to take care of myself. Hee right, I'm
trying to stay here, buddy. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
If I said you could put David Robinson up against
Wemby or Duncan up against Wemby, oh.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Well, that's a hard one. I got to tell you,
because Dave has the athleticism. Timmy is just one of
those guys that has. Timmy had great hands, of great
defensive instincts. They both did. I mean, Tim Duncan should
have won several Defensive Player of the Year awards. David
won Defensive Player of the Year. So I'm gonna say
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that's a tough one because I love both these guys.
I'm gonna I might air on the side of going
big Dave because he's just you know, really you know,
Dave was built like mister Olympia, you know, and he
could look at you know, kind of like that Mitchell
Robinson kind of mold where you're big and strong and athletic,
and he probably faced more bigs back in the day.
(23:34):
Dan if I can swing it towards a day because
when Timmy came into the league, he was playing more
power forward. He guarded biggs, yes he did. But Dave
got he got them all. He got Shack, he got Patrick,
he got a team. You know, he got all the
big guys, Mark Eaton, who's seven five, I mean, he
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got all the big dudes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
But could you imagine Greg Papa bitch. If David Robinson
wanted to shoot where Wenby is shooting.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
He'd have his ass on the bench with some sailor language,
air force you know, you know, a drill sergeant language.
I mean pop pop. You know the thing is, it
wouldn't be just pop. I mean it would have been
Avery Johnson. Avery Johnson would have been in Big Dave
if he was out there shooting three balls. I mean,
(24:27):
what we're seeing from him is just unnatural, it really is.
But I don't think that's even the strong suit of
his game.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
But when did this change where we allowed seven footers
to shoot like they were shooting guards.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I think it was a guy like Dirk who really
started to get guys to try to stretch the floor
a little bit, more big guys to try to stretch
the floor. Now we had guys back in the day,
Bill and Beer could shoot it. I always refer to
Jack Sigma on our telecast and the way he could
shoot the ball from the outside, and as could as well.
But Dirk really took that to a different level with
(25:04):
his ability to go outside and drag big guys away
from the basket. And then everybody wanted to be Dirk.
And that's what I would say on the telecast. You know,
every big guy steps in the league wants to be
Dirk Davitsky, but not everybody's Dirk Davitsky. And so you
have a lot of guys out there shooting a lot
of three balls, uh, and they're really negating their height
advantage because they're all out. Everybody's the same size outside
(25:26):
the three point line. It doesn't matter if you're six four,
seven foot five. You all become guards out there. And
so some guys can do it, some guys can't, and
some guys shouldn't even try.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I know that Sga caught a lot of grief because
people watched him kind of foul baiting. But let let's
be fair to did was Jordan guilty of doing this?
We're oh Kobe and nobody did this?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
No, I never, I know, I never saw Michael Jordan,
you know, try to bait. That wasn't That wasn't a
thought process back then. I never saw Kobe try to
foul bait. Never, that was not a thought process. I
think we got in the early two thousands there, I mean,
we had guys that would flop from time to time
(26:16):
in the league. I mean, that's that's obvious. But I
think the early two thousands we started to see more
of it, and then it just absolutely got out of
control where you had guys who manipulated the rules and
they were smart to do that, and they made careers
off of that. And I think a lot of young
players saw that coming up, and they saw that they
could make a living getting to the foul line. And
(26:39):
with SGA, you know, my thing is that I just
that shouldn't be his legacy at the end of his career, right,
I mean, the guys before all this, I mean going
back to when I saw him right after the pandemic,
and they came to San Antonio several times, I was like,
(27:00):
he had no answer for this guy. He was absolutely unbelievable.
And I didn't see him hit the floor or lay
on the floor one single time. And if he gets
back to that and continues to play the way he
played in Game seven, people are going to forget about
all the spout dating.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
You had, the anniversary, the Memorial Day miracle. Yesterday, you
hit the shot over Rashid Wallace. I get such a
wild sequence there, Sean. What do you remember from it?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, I've told the story many times Dan that you know,
it was just one of those days where the ball
was just flying out of my hands. I didn't have
to think about my shot at all. If I got
a good look at the basket, I felt like it
was going in. I had a really great warm up
before that game where I shoot my typical twenty five
threes around at you know, five spots and missed one.
(27:53):
And it was just just one of those days. And
when I caught the ball, I've spoken about it many times.
When I turned, I never saw Rashid, never Sawrahid Wallace.
If I saw Rashid Wallace coming at me, no way
I make that shot right. It's like like I told
the story. A couple of weeks ago, I played golf
with Lee Trevino one time and he got up on
the tea box. He said, all you amateurs, you guys
(28:15):
see the sand and you see the water, he said,
the pros, we just see the fair way, right, And
that's all I saw. When I turned, all I saw
was the basket. I didn't see anything else.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
But you also had the presence to the ball got tipped,
you caught it. You looked down, so you know where
you are on the floor.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah, I think you know. In that moment, I was
looking more at the three point line to make sure
I was behind it. And you know the shot when
your heels are up, I mean, that's how you finish
a shot. Anyways, no one shoots a ball. No shooter
shoots the ball with their heels on the floor, And
so for me, I felt like it was a natural
shooting motion when I look at it, And people asked me,
(28:56):
what was I thinking? I wasn't. There's no time to
think that situation. There really isn't. There isn't time to
assess the whole situation. You just turn. I saw the
basket and the shot was there.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Great to catch up with you again. Hopefully we didn't
didn't hold up a golf game this week like we
could have last year.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
No, no, it's no tea time this morning. Can you
believe that? I mean, there's my golf buddies to say,
I got Dan Patrick, you know twenty what times our
tea time. They're like, we didn't make a tea time today.
I say, oh, hell, okay, it's probably for the best.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
How's Tim Duncan doing.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I see him, and he he just looks like he's chilled.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Tim Duncan, that dude is so chill.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Let me tell you he's still the same timmy Duncan.
He he doesn't care about anything else. He just he's
so comfortable in his own skinned. And I mean, I
you know, he'll text me during the games, you know,
and I like to take shots at him. And our
deal is if I take a shot at you, you
can take a shot at me. You can text me
(30:04):
and I have to read it on the air as
long as it's not too vulgar. I give him crap
about his age. I mean, all the time he tells me,
he's like, how the hell do you get away with that?
You're older than I am. People think I'm older than you,
you know, so I give him crap all the time.
But this guy, I mean sometimes i'll call him, I
(30:26):
don't hear anything back. Well, he's riding motorcycles through South
America or I'm not kidding. I mean, he's enjoying the
hell out of his life and he deserves it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But you know, when he was there as a rookie,
I came down to San Antonio and I remember you
guys gave him all of the equipment, like you were
hazing him. He had to carry laundry and basketballs and
it was pretty cool to see that you guys were
roughing up your number one draft pick.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Well, that's what makes him so special, right, because he
wasn't a diva. He could have told us all to
go to hell, and we would have done exactly that,
and so you know, we wouldn't have had any choice,
and he just he just took it like like he
was a regular teammate. And that's why he is who
he is.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And he told me a story that he was at
the All Star Game and he was riding on the
elevator with Kevin Garnett and he said, Garnett is yelling
in his face, just yelling at him, and tim didn't
say a word. He just got off the elevator. And
this was Garnett trying to intimidate him.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Well, I saw that firsthand on the court. I was
two feet away from, you know, Garnett yelling in Timmy's ear,
and Timmy had absolutely no reaction at all. And that's
just who he was. I don't think I ever saw
I don't think I never saw Timmy talk trash on
the court. I never saw him go back at anybody
(31:58):
or jawed anybody. He just let his game do the talking.
I mean, most mild mannered, calm guy, until you know,
you get between the lines and the lights are on,
like we say, the popcorns popping, and then he turned
into an assassin. But and that's the definition of an assassin, right.
You don't announce that you're there. You're just there to kill.
(32:18):
And that's what he did.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
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Speaker 4 (32:25):
Sean anytime.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
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Speaker 3 (32:38):
Live.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
He is Albert Breer, the Monday Morning quarterback, joining us
on the program. June first supposed to be a big
deal today. Why June first for aj Brown?
Speaker 11 (32:51):
Well, I think it's it's all related to the Eagles
cap situation, and you know it. I don't want to
bore anybody with the details of how this works, but essentially,
what doing it now versus doing it at any point
over the last three months will mean functionally for the
Eagles is pushing twenty seven million dollars off their salary
(33:11):
cap this year into next year.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
And that's something they needed to do because.
Speaker 11 (33:17):
They've i mean really run out of contracts to restructure.
To their credit, They've been very win now the last
few years, and that's meant Jeffrey Lourie, their owner, spending
a lot of money cash over cap.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Not all owners are willing to do that.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
It's the part of why they've been as good as
they've been the last few years from a roster standpoint.
But it does create complications, and in this case, it
created a complication where it was much easier for them
to deal a j Brown after June first than before
June first. Now like that complication is an ideal for
the team. But you know, I do think like any
(33:55):
good GM Howie Roseman's taken advantage of it, and that
it just allows for you to continue to survey the market.
And you know what that's basically meant for them? Dan is, Yeah,
like this has looked like it's going to be the
Patriots really since the end of March. But maybe somebody
has something materially changed their receiver situation.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
They get to OTAs and it's not what they thought
it was.
Speaker 11 (34:19):
There's a legal situation like Rossie Rice in Kansas City,
there's an injury somewhere, So there's always that chance that
something better comes along for a guy who's been a great,
great player for them, you know. But at this point,
they've got the framework of a deal in place with
the Patriots. The details still need to be hammered out,
but I'd expect that it gets done relatively soon.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, But if I'm the Chiefs or the Rams, yeah,
I'm curious what the framework here is and can we
exceed what the Patriots might be offering.
Speaker 11 (34:52):
So I think those are two good examples, right, So
I'll take you through both of them.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So with the.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Chiefs, I would say.
Speaker 11 (35:01):
They have a quarterback and Patrick Mahomes making a ton
of money. They're top heavy on their cap and so
it's for a long time been the big three for them,
Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey being the other two.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
But now they've got a bunch of other guys who
are extended as well.
Speaker 11 (35:15):
Right, So, like that's Nick Bolton at linebacker, George carl
Loftis at defensive end, it's Kreat Humphrey at center, it's
you know, it's Tray Smith, you know at guard. You know,
they just paid Kenneth Walker to come over and play
running back for them. So they've paid a lot of guys.
They're top heavy on their cap. It's a good problem
to have because they're a very good team. But what
(35:37):
that means is you need draft picks to fill out
the rest of your roster, right, So you know, when
you're looking for the second guard or the defensive end
on the other side of Carl Loftis or your next corner,
it's best to have those guys under cost control, and
you use draft picks to get cost control talent.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
So I think that's why.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
The Chiefs have been you know a little bit, you
know more concerned with their draft picks over the last
few years, and and and and why they made the trade,
you know, sending Tyreek Hill to Miami, sending Trent mcduffee
to LA and they've been able.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
To refresh their roster that way.
Speaker 11 (36:12):
The Rams are interesting because they did go down the
road on trade with aj Brown, and you know that
happened back in March. And I would say like that
one fell apart because it would have been contingent on
corresponding trade with DeVante Adams. They couldn't quite thread that needle.
There was some concern with Brown's knee. But they're going
(36:32):
forward with Devonte Adams and and and and pukin Nakua now,
you know, presumably eventually on a new deal. And I
think that they have moved on from Brown. But that
does not mean the Rams don't have a very big
swing left in them.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
It's just that one didn't quite work out.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
The Eagles were going to trade Devonte Smith as well. No, no, no,
DeVante Adams. Okay, yeah, the Rams.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
If the Rams had gotten Aj Brown, there would have
been a corresponding move to move because I mean, I
think at that, but it's not that they don't love
Devanta Adams the Rams do.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
It's just Adams and Brown play the same.
Speaker 11 (37:08):
Position, the same receiver spot, the ex position and like
having two older guys with some injury history together, it
could be a little problematic, which is you know why
you know, if they had gotten Brown, if the Rams
had landed Brown back in March, it would have meant
DeVante Adams going somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay, does it be who the Eagles to trade Aj
Brown today? Or as you said, somebody you know, Rashid
Rice situation, somebody gets injured, like it feels like June
I's happening.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
I know what you're saying. They've waited on this for
three months, you know. And and I think like there
is a human element to this too. Or Aj Brown,
I think has been a relatively good soldier through this
whole thing, knowing he's probably not going to be on
the team. And contrary to public belief, he's very well
(38:01):
liked in that locker room. He's more popular than Jalen
Hurts in that Why wasn't he happy? I think what
I would say on that is this guy is an
ultra competitive guy, right, And I think too often we
make the mistake of assuming a guy can be competitive
(38:22):
about his team's performance and not not as competitive about
his individual performance, if that makes sense. And you know,
I think all these guys think about their legacy, their
place in the game and all of that. And I
think for aj Brown, like he felt like he was
being held back individually with the way that Jalen Hurts plays,
(38:44):
with the way the offense is built around Jalen Hurts.
And I you know, it's really interesting, Dan, because I
thought watching him last year, like.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
Maybe he lost a little bit of a step.
Speaker 11 (38:56):
And when you talk to enough people who have evaluated him,
you know, in the league, who've had to compete against him,
there's like a little bit of a split, Like some
people think he has lost the step, and then other
people think he looked a little disinterested last year, like
the frustration had boiled over. And so look, I again,
he's still beloved in that building, you know what I mean. Like,
(39:17):
and a guy who he was only there for four years,
he's top fifteen and catches receiving yards, touchdown catches all
time for them, went to two Super Bowls with them,
won a Super Bowl with them, So you know, I think,
you know, you want this to be as clean as
it possibly can be if you're the Eagles, because the
guy has done a lot of good for you. But
(39:39):
you know, based on where he is with the quarterback,
I think it's just sort of time.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterback, I said all year long,
even the previous year, like there's something that goes on
with Jalen Hurts, Like like there was an undercurrent there
and I just didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I'm not saying he's a great regular season quarterback. I
think he's a big time, big game quarterback. He's shown that.
But I don't know why there was I don't know, frustration, discontent,
different offense. I mean he's had a different offensive coordinator
pretty much every year in the last even go back
to college.
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Yeah, the joke about being the Eagles offensive coordinators you
either get go to the super Bowl or fired, which
is actually the truth, you know, over the last over
the last four years.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
But I just I'm just there was success.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I didn't know if there was jealousy, Like what is
it that is there a central point there with and
is it just aj Brown who's frustrated with Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 7 (40:47):
You know, I think it's.
Speaker 11 (40:51):
Again like I think it's just sort of can relate
back to individual performance.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
And I do think, you.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
Know, like, let's say, you know, you're the guy who
is number two in the route or number three in
the route.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
You've gotten open three plays in a row.
Speaker 11 (41:08):
And the quarterback didn't see you, and you got your
hand in the air, and you're one of the best
receivers in football, and it's like, why isn't the ball
coming my way?
Speaker 7 (41:15):
I think it's stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You know, Wait, was justly are they doing? Was that
was he purposely ignoring aj Brown?
Speaker 7 (41:23):
I don't think so. I don't know.
Speaker 11 (41:25):
I mean, I can't climb and Jalen hurts his head,
But I know that there was the perception that that's
where the disconnect was.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
And and and again Dan like, these guys only.
Speaker 11 (41:36):
Have eight, ten, twelve years to play football at the
highest level, right, And so I think a lot of them,
many more than are willing to admit. Do think about
am I going to Is my name going to be
up in the ring of honor? Am I going to
be wearing a gold jacket at the end of this
How am I going to be remembered versus my peers
for you know, AJ Brown, it might be like, how
(41:57):
am I going to be remembered against like the guys
who preceded me, like a Julio Jones or an AJ
Green or a Calvin Johnson?
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Am I in that category?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
You know?
Speaker 11 (42:06):
And everybody's so focused on numbers in this day and
age that you know, it's like okay, like well, like
let's wind them up one versus the other. And if
you look at it, right, he had I think fourteen
hundred yards are right around there in each of his
first two years in Philly, and he was down closer
to one thousand the last two.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
And I think that sort of illustrates what the frustration is.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, well the Eagles don't complete passives. They're bottom five
last year pass which is crazy.
Speaker 11 (42:37):
Even part of that Saquon too, right, as like you
have Saquon Barkley, you wouldn't if you if you got
a Maserati in the garage, you're going to take it
out for a spin.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, but I got I got Porsches, you know too,
is my wide receivers here. I got a good tight
end and two good wide receivers, so you know, whenever
I get in the garage is going to go pretty fast,
and there's a lot of wide receivers out there. Unsigned yeah, yeah,
you see, like when when does movement start with those players?
Speaker 11 (43:07):
So you're talking about like your there'll be some names
the like Deebo Samuel Okay, yeah, so I would say
with most of these, right, and I put like your
you know, you're Gdevian Clowney, You're Joey Bosa. Like it's
I think what's what we've seen evolve over the last
(43:29):
like ten years or so, is more often you have
these guys that are out there on the market, Like now,
Tyreek Hill's coming back from a really catastrophic injury, right,
so like you got.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
To see where he is physically.
Speaker 11 (43:43):
You know, Devo's a year older, you know, I I
you know, I think you could probably put DeAndre Hopkins
in this category.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Two.
Speaker 11 (43:51):
I think you know, like the way that a lot
of these guys look at it that are older and
out there on the market is there's gonna be better
opportunity for me in July than there is in April
and May, and essentially for them, you know, they'll look
at it and say, well, all these teams want to
look at their young players now, you know what I mean,
Like you want to look at the guy who and
(44:12):
and and they get them back in April, they get
them on the field in May for the first time.
They're in competitive drills right around now for the first time.
And so you know, say it's a third round pick
from two years ago and he hasn't quite lived up
to expectations, but you know he was out.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
In California working out.
Speaker 11 (44:27):
Now he's back, that team's going to want to see
that player, right, and maybe that team makes a decision
at the end of.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
June, you know what, we just don't have enough at
this position.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Like that's j starts to.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Arrive OBJ with the Giants a second look at him, and.
Speaker 11 (44:45):
I mean, like sometimes people got but I think even
with him, do people realize how old he is, Like
this is me his thirteenth year. He's in the same
draft class as Johnny Man's out and like he's the
same age as Mike Evans, you know, and we look
at Mike Evans as such an older player.
Speaker 7 (45:04):
I mean, I I you know, I.
Speaker 11 (45:06):
Think it's great like that that Odell Beckham wants to
keep playing football. I love that that he's got that
passion for the game that he wants to get back in,
and he really is going through the process that any
other player on the fringes of the league would go
through to make it back in. I just think we
have to have our expectations under control with some of
these guys and what they are now versus what they
(45:27):
used to be. And there are guys across the board
like that, like Taylor Decker is another one, right, like
left tackle for the Lions with a centerpiece for them
over the last decade was a really important piece to
build for Dan Campbell and those guys, He's not what
he was before, you know, So you know, I'd say
it's a combination of sometimes are you know, the name doesn't.
Speaker 7 (45:48):
Quite match what the game is right now. So that's
a piece of it.
Speaker 11 (45:51):
But I think another piece of it is during May
and June, teams really want to spend a lot of
time looking at the younger players in the roster, see
they've come along, you know, And then I think, you know,
most of these guys look at it as someone's going
to be more desperate in July or August than they
are right now to fill my position.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Before I let you go, this Vikings quarterbacking situation when
Kyler Murray says all the right things and then JJ
McCarthy says, well, it's just like we're the other side
of the classroom. It's kind of like high school. Nothing
about hey, I can learn from him. He's had a
roller coaster ride in his career. And I don't know
(46:31):
if this has a mushroom cloud at the end of
it of or is you know, Kevin O'Connell going to
be tamping this down during the season.
Speaker 11 (46:44):
I mean, I think it's interesting because I don't know
that the Vikings quarterback situation doesn't line up with the
timeline of the rest of the roster, right, the rest
of the roster, and you can go down the lesson
tons of guys either in the prime or the back
end of the prime of their careers. Right, so you
(47:04):
know guys like Byron Murphy and Andrew Van Young Kinkole
and obviously offensively, you've got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison's close
to the end of his deal.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
TJ.
Speaker 11 (47:13):
Hawkins is now an older player, Christian darrisaw left tackle. Like,
they're invested in a ton of guys that are win
now players, and so like I think It's interesting when
you bring up like the discord there because last year
the intention was to put competition in the room for
(47:34):
JJ McCarthy and Daniel Jones, and Sam Donald found better
opportunity elsewhere to become the long term starter. Like DJ
knew if he went to Indy there's a better chance
he was gonna be the long term guy there, the
same way Sam Donald knew that if he went to Seattle,
there's gonna be better opportunity to be longtime guy there.
So then they pivot and they decide, all right, like
(47:54):
we're going to go all in on JJ. He gets
all the reps the team, his teammates are going to
know he's the quarterback.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
Un let's see where this goes.
Speaker 11 (48:01):
And it went where it went, and so now they've
created a competitive.
Speaker 7 (48:05):
Situation for him in the room again.
Speaker 11 (48:07):
And like the interesting thing about it is that roster
needs to win now.
Speaker 7 (48:13):
So no one's on scholarship anymore.
Speaker 11 (48:15):
His draft status doesn't matter, and it's whoever is the
best player for us to win right now? Is who
Kevin O'Connell is going to pick for that that's going
to be Kevin O'Connell's mindset in picking his quarterback now,
so it's different than it was last year. They're not
worried about the first round investment and the player anymore.
In fact, the GM who drafted JJ McCarthy tenth overall
(48:37):
is now gone and there's a new GM coming in.
And so it's a really interesting situation because I think
most of us would have looked last year at Minnesota
and said that could be a twelve or thirteen win team,
And like, I don't think very many people are looking
at him that way anymore.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
And what's changed, well, you know, the quarterback position has changed.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Always great to talk to you. I know you have
a busy day to day. Thank you, Albert.
Speaker 7 (49:01):
All right, thanks TP.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's Albert Breer.
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