June 2, 2026 • 46 mins
DP and the Danettes discuss a busy trade day in the NFL offseason. NFL analyst Louis Riddick discusses the blockbuster Myles Garrett trade and weighs in on AJ Brown's departure from Philadelphia. NBA analyst Jim Jackson urges patience with Chet Holmgren and predicts the Knicks will win the NBA Finals in six games.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We knew AJ Brown was going to be traded. We
just didn't know the exact details of what the Eagles
would get in return for him. So now he's in
New England Patriot Miles Garrett getting traded. I don't know
if anybody had that one. It certainly felt like there
was something. But I've been saying for the last year,
a guy who said he wanted out, then you paid
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him to stay, then he restructures his deal. The new
coach comes in, hasn't met with Miles Garrett, and I
kept I even said it to PAULI. I'm like, there's
something there. I don't know what, but something is there.
And then all of a sudden he gets traded. Well,
and I give the Rams credit. I didn't like the
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Ty Simpson. You know you might take him and that's
your future. You know it's the future next year, but
you know what you're all in for. Matthew Stafford and
I still have been all in on a wide receiver,
tight end, skilled position player, because if you're all in
to get Miles Garrett, be all in to get another
weapon here. But then you start to look at the
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numbers here, and this is why the Rams needed to
make this move. They've added to all pro defenders. So
you got Miles Garrett, they got Trent McDuffie from Kansas City.
In the games the Rams lost last season, they gave
up thirty three, twenty six, thirty one, thirty eight, twenty seven,
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thirty one. In two of those games, they gave up
thirty eight to the Seahawks, thirty one to the Seahawks.
Got to buy Penadia America. And if you're going to
bring in Miles Garrett, he is thirty going on thirty one,
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coming off the sack record. You hope that you're going
to get at least two, three, maybe maybe four more
productive years out of him. You do trade Jared Verse,
who is a really good player on a rookie deal,
and I think both teams won. I think it feels
more like the Rams won the bigger picture because they're
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favored to win the Super Bowl. The Browns, you know,
once they move on from Deshaun Watson, then I think
they'll be in pretty good shape. Draft picks, they've done
pretty well, They've made some moves. You just got to
solve that position. But that's a can you solve that
position question that you're not going to answer this year
(02:37):
unless Deshaun Watson actually plays like somebody who's getting paid
what he's getting paid last year of his deal. And
this might be a situation of Deshaun Watson, can you
play well? If you can't, we'll be drafting a quarterback
probably pretty high next year. All right, what do you
have for me there? Dylan our one pole question? And
(02:57):
keep in mind, Jared Verse in two years has twelve
sacks in weeks eight through twelve. Last season, Miles Garrett
had thirteen sacks.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Stall of a.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Day, Stall of a day. Start outa day, start outa day.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
This is the start of the day.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And the Rams have been trying to get Miles Garrett
for a couple of years. This wasn't just a overnight
let's go for him. They've been trying for quite some time.
I thought that when Miles Garrett wanted out that he
was going to end up with the Rams. They think that,
you know, when you when you think about the Cleveland Browns,
they had to overpay, uh, Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson wasn't
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going to Cleveland. They're like, what do you want all
of it guaranteed. Okay, all right, I'll go to Cleveland.
Miles Garrett wanted out. What do you want? I want
to be the highest paid deep player in the game.
All Right, you got it. That's the only way they
got these big ticket items. Now you're moving away from
that now, and you're gonna eventually have to pay Jaredverse.
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But that can be a good thing if he produces
the way you want him to, you hope. And he's
only twenty five. So I like what Cleveland did. I
don't know why you didn't trade Miles Garrett the year
before when he did one out, but I wondered if
maybe you weren't going to get the return you thought.
But he would have been twenty nine at the time,
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now at thirty going on thirty one, and I think
you did pretty well trading him away. You've got a
lot of attention with the Sack record. Nobody is really,
you know, tuning in to see a Cleveland Browns game
unless they're just the curiosity of Shoudoor Sanders and Miles Garrett. Well,
I don't even know if Shodor is going to be
your starter this year, But for the Cleveland Browns, I
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think they did a pretty good job yesterday. I'm sure
Joe Burrow probably went, wait, he got traded? Where Lamar Jackson?
It'd be funny if Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson called
up each other. Hey, did you hear the news?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I know, any feel a lot healthier, a lot healthier?
All right, Dylan?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Alrighty Dan, we got a few options. Paully sent this
one over. Who had the best day yesterday? The Browns,
the Rams, Miles Garrett or other Perhaps maybe the NFL
at large for usurping all the attention, NHL and NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, well, okay, the Patriots won at AJ Brown and
the Eagles Howie Roseman. Their GM probably thought, all right,
well let you And this is why Howie Roseman is great.
The Eagles traded a first and a third round pick
for AJ Brown back in twenty twenty two. They got
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four one thousand yard seasons, they made two Super Bowls,
they won a Super Bowl. Now you trade a twenty
nine year old AJ Brown to the Patriots for a
first and a fifth round pick, that's pretty good stuff.
There by the Eagles GM, wait, you're gonna give me
four great seasons, two Super Bowl appearances. We win one
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Super Bowl and now I get a first and a
fifth back. That's pretty good as well. So I wouldn't
sleep on what the Eagles did and why AJ Brown
just couldn't coexist with Jalen Hurts. But now he goes
with Drake May. He can be the featured guy. You
don't have to worry about. You know a running back
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Speaker 5 (07:09):
Dylan the Post, Miles Garrett Trade, The Rams are winning
at all, winning the NFC winning their division or missing the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Playoffs, Well, they better win the super Bowl. Yeah, this
is a move you make to win the super Bowl.
And I think anything other than winning the Super Bowl
or getting to the super Bowl would be a disappointment.
And they're over under now is eleven and a half,
I'm not sure if it was ten and a half before,
but they're one of the favorites. If not, you know,
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the Ravens are up there, the Rams Seattle is going
to be back up there, but the Rams are expected
to be playing for a Super Bowl, yues Dylan.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Yeah, I mean, of the these are the top five
teams odds wise to win the Super Bowl, says Rams
plus six hundred, Bills plus one thousand plus one thousand,
Seahawks plus eleven hundred and Chiefs plus fifteen hundred. Would
you take the Rams out of that fivesome?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I probably. If I'm trying to get better odds, I
might take Kansas City. I mean, it's a roll of
the dice. With Kelsey coming back, Mahome's availability, what are
they going to do with the wide receiver position. I
thought they did well with their defense. You're in a
tough division, So does Buffalo get it right one of
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these years, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, I mean that's the longest preseason odds the Chiefs
have been probably in a while. But it's also I'm
always I don't want to say a sucker for but
I like when, like a team that's been had a
great run, people view them as they've sort of died
off a little bit, and then everyone forgets about them,
and then all of a sudden they're in the super
Bowl again. You're like, how did we not see that
one coming?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you know, the Bengals might be a team that
I would take a flyer on, but you know, if
everybody stays healthy, you know maybe, But if you're looking
for longer odds instead of just going with the favorites,
I'd probably say that.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
All right, we'll.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
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(09:37):
We'll dissect the trades that happened yesterday. As soon as
I found out Miles Garrett was traded, I said to Fritzy,
reach out to Aaron Donald. And he goes, Okay, why,
I said, because the rams are probably saying reach out
to Aaron Donald. We just got Miles Garrett, and I thought,
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Aaron Donald post all thesedeos on social media. He's working out.
What is he? Thirty two, thirty three? Yeah, Pauline, I.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Have him just turning thirty five years old? Oh, ten
days ago, okay, basically thirty a young thirty five. He
was benching the other day with dumbbells that were one
hundred and sixty pounds each. He looked like an active
football player.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He was asked about coming back.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is back in April the Not Just Football podcast.
This is April at the NFL Draft.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Well, even when people are asking all the time, like
you sure you don't want to play, I me like
to be honest with I have.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No urge to play football.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
No, that's good. Sometimes in back in my head, I'd
be like I want to out there.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I think about this and I'm like, nah, man, I'm like,
I was a guy that never wanted to play forever,
but I always said I was gonna do eight years
and be done. I just happened to win a super
Bowl my eighth year. I'm like, man, this is destiny.
And then but it's kind of addicted.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Is that? Like you can't just want to suit.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Ball and walk away.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's like you want to sperience that again. So I
wasn't fully done.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
I still had that I want to disappearance that again.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Shawn calls you every year.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
I must say the first the first two years, they
will still be talking. They talk about it, but be
kind of quiet down because you kind of know where
I'm at.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, i'd still reach out. That was April before you
got Miles Garrett. Now all of a sudden, you're not
the focal point. They're not going to be double teaming you.
You might go super Bowl is in Los Angeles, you
still live in LA. Maybe you just say to him,
how about you playing the home game? Yeah, you can
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do a Roger Clemens deal with Houston or was that
the Yankees? Was it Houston? Marvin? Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm
just say, hey, you want to we won't even make
you go to Australia to start the season. You can
just come play, you know, practice, go home, play a game,
go home. You don't have to worry about any road
trips here. Yes, Todd, but what about the element of
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like being away all this time is not getting regular hits.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
You know, you're in the gym and you're working out.
It's like a hockey player.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm still doing drills and skating all around the ice,
but you're not getting checked against.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
The boards or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's a very different thing working out than actually playing.
Thank you to I'm guessing Aaron Donald would be able
to quickly replicate or get that feeling back when you
think about this though, and I'd make make him a
rotation player, letting, you know, come in on third downs,
second down, whatever you want to do. But when you
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think about certain players at certain positions, they're hitting getting
hit on every single play. You know, if you're the center,
tackle guard every single play, nose tackle, defensive tackle, every
single play, you get hit. Wide receivers don't. Quarterbacks don't.
Wide receivers don't. Defensive backs not necessarily on every single play.
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So maybe Aaron Donald's like, I'm just getting tired of
getting hit, even though he was the one doing the hitting.
But I would be reaching out to him and or
I would I would say, hey, why don't you stop.
Why Miles Garrett's gonna have his press conference there? Hey,
oh wait, here's your jersey and it's in your locker.
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Is still here? I'd be like, you know, just give
it a thought. Here, give it maybe maybe just a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yeah, Paul, I think this is a real topic. Aaron
Donald retired quite early. He was generally healthy. Guys like
Reggie White played till their late thirties. Bruce Smith was
four time All Pro after the age of thirty. You
give him, like you said, you just you practice a
little bit rotation player, pay them two million dollars per
sack and say that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Just playing the home games. Yeah, practice smactice. You're gonna
be hosting the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean I do think also to
there's certain positions that just coming in cold after not playing,
like probably offensive defensive line, because it's like you said,
it's more just there's a physicality and being in shape element,
but like skill positions. If you're like a receiver and
you haven't caught balls in a couple of years, Like
there might be a bit more of a learning curve
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coming back.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, but these guys are working out year round. But
if you got I mean, Aaron Donald played the position
as well, if not better than anybody else who's played
that position. And there are a lot of great players
who played that right on you know, the nose, right
on the center. And he disrupted people. I always said,
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he disrupts an offense more than any of these edge rushers.
If you said I could have Miles Garrett peak, Aaron
Donald peak, I'm taking Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald goes up
the middle. Now my quarterback is forced to be out
of the pocket. Whether if you're gonna have an edge rusher,
all right, I know he's over here on this side,
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and I can steer the offense. I'm always geared here.
I can double him up over here. Even doubling Aaron Donald,
he would get up the middle. He would disrupt the
offense far more than an edge rusher. Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
He retired after the twenty twenty three season. That's not
that long ago, you know, it's not five years, it's
two and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, Serena Williams coming back, Aaron Donald can come back, Yes,
doing yeah, And he.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Did say in that clip we played that he won
the super Bowl in his eighth season and he was like,
I thought I'd be done, but then you win one,
You're like, maybe I can do that again. If you've
used this as his best chance to win a second one,
it's not outside the ram of possibility.
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Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, six oh two oh two twenty three to twenty three,
All right, that's like football weight. Yeah, my official weight
was two fifteen. That's what I had to weigh in at.
When I was in Oakland. We had to weigh in
every day. Every day we walked in the facility. Under Gruden,
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we had to go right to the weight room and
weigh in, and Cleveland would Belichick. We wait in every
Friday and he stood there and it was fifty fifty
dollars per pound per day. So if you missed your
weight on Friday, you had the weigh in Saturday. If
you missed your weight on Saturday, you had the way
in Monday to the game. And it was fifty dollars
per pound per day.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Who ended up spending the most.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Back then, it was probably like a guy named We
had offensive guard named Wally Williams, an office of gard
named Jean Williams. I used to always be in the
steam room with guys like Eric Turner Steve because we
were like bigger safeties two fifteen, like two fifteen, like
like I felt like I couldn't. I couldn't eat to
(17:28):
stay at two fifteen, you know what I mean. So
cause you're young and you're grown, you got this. But yeah, yeah,
I never I never missed weight though I always made it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I wonder about somebody like Sebastian janik Kowski.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh that'd be a good one. I don't know, man,
I don't know, but I know Undergruden and it was
like every single day you walked in there and you
went and you made a bee line right for the
weight room, took your stuff off, got on the scale.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
How is everybody talks about Belichick sensey humor? Everybody he says, oh,
you would love him, And I go, well, I'll never
find out you you played for him?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, there wasn't. I mean you guys experience, in my experience, yeah,
there wasn't a whole lot of sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Man, there wasn't a.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Whole lot of Now the guy, the guy who had
a dry sense of humor, who you'd always you know,
you would see him kind of like get that little
you know, you get that little smile and crook. But
saving was like that, like Savan's a hard ass. Now
I'm telling you, he would lose it and then five
seconds later he'd be laughing. He was the guy who,
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for me, I had more of the real relationship with
when I was in Cleveland and being coached by those
two dudes at the same time, and I told the
story a thousand times, was something like, I don't know
if that's for that's not for the week, that's for sure,
But Nick is the guy who really Nick was the
guy who has a pro really believed in my skills
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and really stood up for me and backed me, and
he's why I played in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well, you guys weren't good enough maybe for Belichick to
have essentially humor around you.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Guys, that's true too. But we made the we made
the playoffs in ninety Then the ninety four season, if
we could have figured out a way to like calm
down Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd and Rod Woodson and
those guys, we would have made the super Bowl that year.
We had the best defense in the league, but our
offense was, let's say, less than not good.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Who was your quarterback?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It was a bunch of people. It was it was
Vinnie Testaverdi. Primarily, we just couldn't We just didn't have
any explosive component. Man. We had Eric Metcalf, Tommy Vardell,
Mark Carrier, Michael Jackson, guys like that, but we just
we just couldn't put it together consistently.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Touchdown Tommy Pardo. There you go, man, Stanford, Yeah, scored,
he scored them all there. He didn't score them in
the exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
We score, but I think we scored more than we
did on offense that year.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
How surprised were you that the Browns decided finally to
move on from Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It's kind of like, what, I'm not shocked. Look, you
know what teams that are always caught in this in
this in this state of you know, their evolution so
to speak, or their growth, which is they're always seeming
to reset, rebuild, trying to restock the covers, gain draft picks,
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sell hope, push it off till next year. This is
what they do. Eventually, they get their best they take
their best player because they're gonna hit on somebody because
they're always drafted high, so they're gonna get somebody that
has unique skills, and eventually theyre gonna wind up trading
them away to reset it for the next coach. The
next coach, the next coach, the next coach, so a
I shocked.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We sat across from Miles Garrett two years ago, I
think for a week eighteen game of All in Baltimore
where this was when he you know, he said going
into the offseason he was gonna have a talk with
Stefanski and the group there and and you know, and
kind of like trying to figure out like where where
the organization was headed. And you could just tell, like
Miles was he had done everything he could do individually
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and he was just looking for team success. But Cleveland
was steadfast and that they weren't gonna trade him because
he's one of the best players in the league. And
Jim Schwartz, you know, and Miles, you know, they obviously
have been super productive. Well Schwartze he's gone, Miles is gone.
Cleveland has a bunch of draft picks again, and they're
selling hope again. That's this kind of like that's the
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cycle they're in.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'll give you Aaron Donald and his prime, Miles Garrett
in his prime.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Woo wee man, you know what, you know, I'm gonna
go with Aaron. But I'm gonna go with Aaron for
this reason. You remember Jerry Gray, old Texas defensive back
and played for the Ram and he's a good friend
of mine. Coached in Washington when I was there. He said, look,
if you can give me the if you gave me
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the choice between a guy who can create unique transcendent
pressure on the interior or a guy who can do
it on the exterior. I'm taking a guy on the
interior because that's the shorter distance that he has to
go to get to the quarterback and really disrupt things.
So I'm going with Eron.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I think the Browns did pretty well getting Jared Verse.
I know that they weren't going to make this move
unless they got Verse. He's on his rookie deal and
he's an emerging player. Like I like the deal for
both teams, and normally, you know, that's not a hot
take we want to give. You know, the Rams are
trying to win a Super Bowl. The Browns are trying
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to get back to ground zero and say, now let's
build this with players and not get desperate. Overpay for
Deshaun Watson, maybe overpay for Miles Garrett just to keep
him in Cleveland. Now, maybe they build this thing right.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, Look, I think, well, yeah, they have a chance.
I mean, they have the assets to do it. But
you know what, like see that. This is why the NFL,
the NFL is the best business in the world, is
because in the off season now, like the Cleveland Browns fans, Yeah,
you may not have been relevant regular season wise when
it really counts, but now in the off season, which
(23:20):
this is now obviously a year round, a year round
you know, entertainment industry, they feel relevant right now. They're
in the news there, their feeling is. And I shouldn't
say it's just from that standpoint, because look at the
people in Cleveland are trying to win. They are, but again,
this is the cycle that they've always been in and
they have a chance. But we know this in the
(23:43):
team building, the team building process, Dan, the most important
part is the development and utilization of those assets. The
Rams and Sean McVay unless need, they know how to
do that. They know how to up and utilize guys
that they get and so for them, you're right, I
(24:04):
think in the end it's better for them only I
feel better about what they're doing than what I do
with Cleveland's with Cleveland because look, as much as I
love Todd Mounkin, and I don't. I'm not one of
these people who goes Wallas this Cleveland. Cleveland's going to Cleveland,
because I was there, man. I know that place was
on the on the right path when we were there.
I know we were They have a shot. But I
(24:26):
love I love the Rams approach this offseason. I think
it's perfect. It's the perfect combination of we have a
Hall of Fame quarterback that we know is year to year.
We have an offense that has great diversity in multiplicity
in terms we can wait, we can attack. We have
one of the best young play callers that the game's
ever seen. And defensively, now we addressed our Achilles Hield,
(24:49):
the reason why we lost to the Seahawks in the
first place, with these corners, and now now we've got
the one guy who every single team fears when the game's.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
On the line.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And they used to have that guy before, and that's
why they want to Super Bowl before. With number ninety
nine on the inside. Now, the best thing that the
Rams can do right now is get my guy to
come out of retirement and have ad played with Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Can you imagine, Well, I suggested, I would have him
just play home games.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I would, you know, but I'd have him do whatever
he wants pretty much. A Aaron, just tell me what
you want. We just want you. You've seen him lately,
doesn't he can step on the field right and I
promise you'd give you double digit sex right now.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm talking to Lewis Riddick of the Mothership. Okay, if
you're all in with Miles Garrett, yep, I can't draft
Ty Simpson where they drafted Ty Simpson. I just want
because I could have gotten Lemon Sedin. I could I
could get somebody who's going to help me this year
(25:53):
and next year.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But but okay, so that's.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Why you have Matthew Stafford is to win now.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Hey, But see all right, this is what Lessnie's job
is to do. Though his job is to look. I
believe a general manager's job is to win now and
prepare for the future and see around corners. That's what
they That's what the job is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's hard to win now and plan for the future.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But that's exactly what he's done.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, no, no, no. Their model is the transfer portal.
They are, but they're like a college football team that
doesn't deal in young kids as much as they deal
in transfers.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But they have they have plenty of homegrown talent on
that football team that they've drafted. It just hasn't been
first round picks, but they have plenty of guys that
were draft picks of theirs.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, but you go good Stafford, you get McDuffie, Now
you get Miles Garrett. Right, but you know what, Bonta Adams.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Let's see versus a draft pick. Braydon Fisk was a
draft pick, cam Kinchin's was a draft pick. Pook and
Nicole was a draft pick. Steve Avila was a draft pick.
These are they know how to draft.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But they're big ticket items. They're getting transferred portal.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You're the ones that we talk about. Yeah, you're right.
But see here's the thing. They're still set up to
win this year. And if Matthew decides after this year,
like if his back whatever, it is the number one
position that we killed teams for for not having taken
care of his quarterback, they can say in their mind,
they go, guess what, we've taken care of that too. Yeah,
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that's why I like it.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Why did the Eagles move on from aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Chemistry? Personality?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
No, Okay, let me let me, let me, let me
back up and say this. I'm not saying that Aj
has the wrong personality. People in Philadelphia love AJ Brown.
Inside that locker room, in that building love AJ Brown.
It just wasn't mixing anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Just Jalen Hurts love AJ Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I would ask you a question, does it look like
he does?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No, I know it doesn't look like AJ Brown likes
Jalen Hurt.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You know what, and you know what, sometimes two things,
those two things can be true, and you know what,
it's just best to go, Okay, you know what, let's
move on addition by subtraction. Wow, Now he's with a
guy who knows how to push his buttons perfectly because
he did it at one time when Aj was in Tennessee.
I remember seeing him there in beast, an absolute beast.
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Mike will get the best out of him. Up there,
He's exactly what they needed. And then the leads filled up.
It was exactly what they needed. Philly has a lot
of moving parts that they're gonna have to kind of
integrate this year. Sean Mannon's got his work cutof for him,
a lot of real good moving parts. But it was
best for both teams.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's just weird that Philadelphia has. There's turmoil, there's tension,
there's a story like they were an a late team. Yeah,
that's what's amazing. You would think a dysfunctional team would
have all the movement, changing offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, coach
on the hot seat, go to a super Bowl, win
(28:50):
a super Bowl like this is wild. But you know
when you look at what they traded for aj Brown.
So in twenty twenty two first round, third round pick,
they get four one thousand yard seasons, they get two
super Bowl appearances, one super Bowl win. Now he's twenty nine,
you get a first round and a fifth round pick.
(29:11):
I think Howie Roseman did an unmivable job there.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, that's how you try to maximize. That's how you
maximize value, both on the front end in terms of
the production he gave you and then on the back
end in terms of what you received once you decide
to move on, and then what you're replacing him with,
which is a former Heisman Trophy winner who now ascends
to the number one role a guy. And Mackay Lemon,
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who when you watch his tape looks subjectively you would say, look,
he's not a J.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Brown, but this.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Dude's gonna be a fifty to fifty five catch guy.
You get Eli Stowers, who's the Mackie Award winner at
tight end, who really is a big another big wide receiver.
So then you get Dantavian Wicks, who I really liked
when he was that. There's a lot still in the
cupboard there for them. Now it's up to Sewn to
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put it all together, Manion. But yeah, you know what
when you touch on something that is that's that is interesting?
Is that what it shows you is that this is
a very supremely talented football team in terms of the
physical skills these guys have and really the football character
that they play with to be able to still withstand
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all this stuff that we constantly talk about with this
team and still get the Super Bowl and win them,
or at least or or be just a couple of
plays away from winning them.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
What if Deshaun Watson starts for Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh boy, what if he does? You know what I think?
I think in the end, I think the only thing
in Cleveland that I would care about, honestly, it's just
can we just get a season where we have more
w's than els. I really don't care if he starts
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or if he doesn't. I just honestly, I want the
organization and to not be one that we talk about
more in the off season for how good they could be,
and we talk about more during the season because of
how good they are. And if he starts, that means
he was the best player, and Todd thought he was
the best player at the position, And if he starts,
it's because he probably looked pretty damn good all offseason
and beat out Shador who supposedly, according to coach Monkin,
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has looked pretty good himself. So I don't I really,
you know what, I'm kind of over all the other
stuff surrounding Deshaun, although as much as I can't stand
it and as much as look, I was one of
those people when Deshaun was in at Clemson and talking
to Dabbo about him, I was as big a fan
of his as ever. There was nobody more disappointed and
all the stuff he got caught up in than me.
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But in the end, I just want Cleveland to win,
and if he's what helps them win, so be it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And it just feels like Cleveland's gonna have a new
quarterback next year.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You mean in twenty twenty seven after this season. Yeah,
oh for sure. Yeah, well I know. Let me back up,
I would lean that way myself. I shouldn't say for sure,
but with all the draft capital they have now and
with the way the draft, next year will be the
most watched draft.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Maybe the one thing during COVID was the most watch
draft ever. Because of the circumstances, this will be the
most hyped and publicized draft since I've been doing it
in the past thirteen years. It's going to be crazy
with the number of quarterbacks coming out, and assuming that
they all play to their potential, there's gonna be that.
This is why teams have been trying to stockpile picks
for this coming twenty seven draft, because it's going to
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be insane, how drama filled that those three days are
going to be. I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Always great to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
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Speaker 2 (32:57):
Jim Jackson Fox NBA College Basketball analyst played fourteen years
in the NBA. We finally found an NBA finals with
two teams that you did not play for in your
career at Jim.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
You know, here's the thing about it, though, Dan, all
those teams continue to allow me to cast those checks.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
So that was all right, end of the day, end
of the day.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
What do you do with chet? Holmground? I don't want
to overreact here you are why.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Because I think you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
It's is it a Chet problem or is it a
Chet problem? When they play against Wimby. Now I know
last year in the finals he struggled a little bit.
He had he was injured, he had to come back,
and he struggled a little bit. But if you look
at Chef throughout the course of the year, and Chase said,
this is that you know, without Chet, they don't want
a championship. Without Chet, they're not in a situation to compete.
(33:55):
So what happens is in this particular series against Wimby,
he doesn't look like Chad Holmgren. So now it's well,
what do we do with him? So I don't want
to I wouldn't be the one that panics right away
because if you go back to history. Think about this.
You had questions about Scottie Pippen when he played against
the Knicks, his toughness.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Could he be that second guy? Now?
Speaker 8 (34:18):
If the Bulls gave up on Scotty that early, do
we have the dynasty that the Bulls have Kobe Bryant
his rookie year when he infamously shot those air balls
against Utah? If the Lakers paniced quickly, and Jerry West said,
did I make the wrong decision? Is it the Kobe
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Bryant that we saw? Is the Laker dynasty? Too many
times we want to, based on a series, give up
on a person when they're still young and still learning. Yes,
he has to grow, especially against Wimby. But I don't
think you pulled that trigger right the way based on
just because it was san Antonio.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Oh I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. I heard analysts
yesterday Jim saying they think he's played his last game
with okay see, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, Wait
a minute, hold on here, he's a He's a good player,
not a great player yet, but he's going to be
compared to Wemby probably the rest of his career. Correct,
(35:18):
that won't go well. But I can't have somebody who
doesn't take a shot in the second half of the
most important game of the season. So mentally is what
I'm I got to figure out. Does he want to
be great? Does he does he want does he want
the heat.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Against San Antonio?
Speaker 8 (35:38):
Yeah, because here's the thing, because another seat and I
get what you're saying too, because with Kobe, at least
Kobe wasn't afraid to take the shots.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I mean, you knew that.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Okay, air balls are not in the moment, it may
not have went through the nets, but his mentality was
I feel I can make it.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
The thing about Chet against San Antonio is the lack
of aggression. Okay, if you misshots, you misshot, it's gonna happen.
But his body language, lack of aggressiveness, lack of attacking,
lack of doing anything else.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
It's different.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Okay, make miss some shots, rebound, block shots, assists, play,
make all these other things that he could have helped
his team to maybe win a game.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
His stat line didn't indicate that.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
And I think that's where the issue is with a
lot of people too, is that Okay, yeah, you didn't
shoot well, but man, you didn't do anything else either.
So I hope that internally they've had enough information downloaded,
enough information on Chet to understand what his value is
and they don't pad it.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Now.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
Is it a situation where you can get Yannis? Wef
you can get Yannis and this is a short term
fix in the next three to four years that you
got a chance to compete against, you know, san Antonio,
who you're gonna have to go through. Now, what does
that look like? Because you have young players and you
have draft assets that can make it make sense. Okay,
(37:06):
And that's something internally that they have to look at.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It feels like both of these teams in the finals
are underdogs.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
From what perspective, well.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Historically with the Knicks and san Antonio with just youth. Yeah,
but they do feel under I know san Antonio is
a slight favorite, but you don't get that sense that
they're kind of underdoggy.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
I think it's question marks, you know what I mean,
Because the status quo is like, Okay, well, a young
team shouldn't be able to make it this far. A
young team you have to go through the process, which
history says that's what teams do. Boston had to do it,
and they lost in the Eastern Conference Finals. A couple
of times. The Lakers had to do it, the Bulls
had to do it, Detroit had whatever it is. But
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in today's world, with the way the game is and
the youth in the game, this team was put together
and they were able to jail together a young coach
with Miss Johnson, they all grew and they figured things
out collectively and they beat the top dog. So there
still are going to be some questions with New York.
It's yeah, and you know New York is good, but
(38:18):
New York is good. But can Cat continue to play
and be facilitator? Can Jalen with the ball in his
hands be able to make plays? And Josh Hart as
all these things? But the beauty of it is both
teams got here in their own unique way. New York
played their best basketball at end of the year down I
mean unbelievable, I mean unbelievable, role players understood who they were.
(38:40):
And then when San Antonio, everybody just bought in defensively, offensively,
no egos. That's the beauty about this series because there
are still some little unknowns like o Case you know
who they are. Golden State you knew who they were.
These two teams, I think are still evolving. Even though
New York is still an older, more mature team. You know,
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they still ask some questions to answer.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
When did we go from ball hog to ball dominant?
Like remember this was a bad thing. Isaiah was with
us a couple of weeks ago and he said, yeah,
we we were a ballhog if you know, it wasn't
ball dominant, But I don't know, like was Iverson a
ball hog? But was ball dominant and great at it? Like,
(39:28):
I don't know when when we went from that? Yet,
man passed the ball too, Hey, he needs it so
he can get his shots.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Well.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Correspondent with analytics, because analytics is going to tell you
somebody's juices rate. And now once we start breaking that
number down a high usage right now. Again, that takes
in a lot of factors. But James Harden, Russell Westbrook
and Luca Downtchets a Jalen brunts it because they had
the ball in their hands a lot more. And those
analytics are gonna look different. They're gonna use those numbers
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to make a point about a person, or to make
another point about a person that they're two ball dominating.
That's a great question too, because throughout the game and
history they're being guys that dominated the ball a little
bit more, but it wasn't looked I don't know if
it was looked at it the same way it is
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in today's game because they're a little bit more isolations,
you know, in some situation, and a player like a
Jalen Brunson who does dominate the ball but still make plays,
still make shots big time. So it's a confluencedw here's
the thing. Jalen Brunton dominates, but yet if you're Mike Brown,
(40:42):
if you're libidoh man, I gotta have a ball in
my best player's hand. And the way their team is built,
who else Now that cat is doing his thing, but
before it's going to facilitate who else had to ender
the shot? Clock is really going to go get their shot.
So it's a catch twenty two with depending on how
your team is made up.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We're talking to Jim Jackson, Fox Sports. How do you
explain what Brunson does in a tiny space that ability
to his handle is not outside his body. It's kind
of tight spaces. But to find those spaces, not be
afraid of those spaces and kind of get you leaning
(41:22):
one way or another. Can you teach that.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
Yeah, you can, because this is the beauty about the
game of basketball, especially somebody like Jalen Brunson who doesn't
rely on athleticism to be able to make him the
kind of player that he is. So give a lot
of credit to his father, Rick Brunson, when he was younger,
to understand to use your ability in between your ears,
to understand space angles how to create shots. Okay, so
(41:50):
you take the number one player in high school point guard.
Watch he could have went anywhere, Dan, but he chose
to go to Villanova. Ryan Archie Diacino was the starting
point guard to that time. Jayden Brunson could have started
for you know, eight hundred other schools, but he chose
to go there. Why because the teaching the fundamentals, understanding
how to play the game the right way was very important.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It is valuable. So now you get to Villanova, you
learn how.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
To play off the two feet in between small, tiny spaces.
So take his already high iq, combine that with what
Jay Wright was doing and that system there at Villanova,
and now you have.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
The national player of the year, a two time champion.
Speaker 8 (42:31):
Even though he went in the second round in the draft,
people still question whether he could do it. And now
you have more space to play within the NBA. But
yet and still the skill set has continued to develop.
That's why Jalen Brunson is so potent as a player
because he doesn't rely on athleticism, but he can get
to a spot, use his body, create space and excellent football.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
But the NBA is littered with guys who don't look
like they can be all time greats. Joker did not
look like Yannis when he got here. Dirk was labeled soft,
Steve Nash too small, SGA, SGA. I mean that's the
beauty of basketball. Yes, it's he doesn't look like he
(43:14):
could score forty, like even Luka. When you're around, when
you watch Luca, you're like, okay, and then all of
a sudden you look up and he's got thirty five.
I just I find that fascinating that these guys have
that something you know, something different in their DNA that
allows them to be better because they figured it out.
(43:36):
It's not you know, and those guys I mentioned, I'm
they're not relying on athleticism at all. That crazy athletic.
I mean they have it, but you're just somehow, some
way you figured out Rubik's cube here. And I think
that's what's fascinating with Brunson.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
But the history of the game too.
Speaker 8 (43:54):
Think about it a Larry Bird the same way, Jack Sickmund,
same way, because the guys and the players they had
to play against were a little bit more athletically gifted.
But what they were able to do with Kevin McHale, Okay,
it was footwork, it was understanding angles, it was okay,
where do I receive the ball? Can I get to
my space? These things were drilled over and over and
(44:17):
over again, Okay, to utilize who they have around them,
but also to understand, this is how I'm gonna make
my money. Is these the skill set that I have
developed based on who I am as a player, not
anybody else. And that's the beauty about the game because
the game can be played in a lot of different ways,
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and I think a lot of times in today's world.
Harp on athleticism athleticism. Athleticism, well, at some point athleticism
is great because it's athletes across the board in every sport.
But the ones that understand how to make that connection
up here. That's why I think Michael Jordan was such.
(45:00):
This is a phenomenal player because he took the athleticism
with the skill set, the mindset of how to play
the game. That's what made him unstoppable. Okay, And the
same thing you talked about with I think Jalen and
SGA and Luca Jokic unbelievable I mean unbelievable players because
they play the game between their ears.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
How does the finals play out?
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I like that.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
I like the Knicks in six and the reason why
is because not because the sixth I mean the next
beat him two to one during the season.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
It's a matchup thing.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
Now listen, the I mean OKC has already dealt with Garden,
Anthony Edwards, already dealt with SGA. They're gonna plug him,
send multiple guys out him, force other players like Alas
Caruso and Mitchell if he would have played or to
make shots. So that means Josh hart Wenby probably is
(45:53):
gonna start on. It's gonna have to make shots. But
what I love about this New York team, they bigger
across the board, you know, with Mitchell Robinson inside and
cat outside. But across their wings with Og and also
michel Bridges and Johns.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
They have size.
Speaker 8 (46:08):
San Antonio is not a big team outside of Wemby,
they're not big. And Luke Cornett who comes in, so
those double teams when they come and get Jalen in
the middle of the court, now you have bigger guys
receiving the ball in the middle with Og and Micheal
that can make play. I just think that gives them
a strategical advantage that the other teams didn't have. And
(46:30):
that's why I like the Knicks defensively offensively because of
that size. If they have that can I think negate
some of that aggressive defensive nature that san Antonio will employ.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Great to talk to you, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
We got it, brother, enjoy it man.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
That's Jim Jackson.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We knew AJ Brown was going to be traded. We
just didn't know the exact details of what the Eagles
would get in return for him. So now he's in
New England Patriot Miles Garrett getting traded. I don't know
if anybody had that one. It certainly felt like there
was something. But I've been saying for the last year,
a guy who said he wanted out, then you paid
(00:26):
him to stay, then he restructures his deal. The new
coach comes in, hasn't met with Miles Garrett, and I
kept I even said it to PAULI. I'm like, there's
something there. I don't know what, but something is there.
And then all of a sudden he gets traded. Well,
and I give the Rams credit. I didn't like the
(00:49):
Ty Simpson. You know you might take him and that's
your future. You know it's the future next year, but
you know what you're all in for. Matthew Stafford and
I still have been all in on a wide receiver,
tight end, skilled position player, because if you're all in
to get Miles Garrett, be all in to get another
weapon here. But then you start to look at the
(01:10):
numbers here, and this is why the Rams needed to
make this move. They've added to all pro defenders. So
you got Miles Garrett, they got Trent McDuffie from Kansas City.
In the games the Rams lost last season, they gave
up thirty three, twenty six, thirty one, thirty eight, twenty seven,
(01:31):
thirty one. In two of those games, they gave up
thirty eight to the Seahawks, thirty one to the Seahawks.
Got to buy Penadia America. And if you're going to
bring in Miles Garrett, he is thirty going on thirty one,
(01:54):
coming off the sack record. You hope that you're going
to get at least two, three, maybe maybe four more
productive years out of him. You do trade Jared Verse,
who is a really good player on a rookie deal,
and I think both teams won. I think it feels
more like the Rams won the bigger picture because they're
(02:16):
favored to win the Super Bowl. The Browns, you know,
once they move on from Deshaun Watson, then I think
they'll be in pretty good shape. Draft picks, they've done
pretty well, They've made some moves. You just got to
solve that position. But that's a can you solve that
position question that you're not going to answer this year
(02:37):
unless Deshaun Watson actually plays like somebody who's getting paid
what he's getting paid last year of his deal. And
this might be a situation of Deshaun Watson, can you
play well? If you can't, we'll be drafting a quarterback
probably pretty high next year. All right, what do you
have for me there? Dylan our one pole question? And
(02:57):
keep in mind, Jared Verse in two years has twelve
sacks in weeks eight through twelve. Last season, Miles Garrett
had thirteen sacks.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Stall of a.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Day, Stall of a day. Start outa day, start outa day.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
This is the start of the day.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And the Rams have been trying to get Miles Garrett
for a couple of years. This wasn't just a overnight
let's go for him. They've been trying for quite some time.
I thought that when Miles Garrett wanted out that he
was going to end up with the Rams. They think that,
you know, when you when you think about the Cleveland Browns,
they had to overpay, uh, Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson wasn't
(03:49):
going to Cleveland. They're like, what do you want all
of it guaranteed. Okay, all right, I'll go to Cleveland.
Miles Garrett wanted out. What do you want? I want
to be the highest paid deep player in the game.
All Right, you got it. That's the only way they
got these big ticket items. Now you're moving away from
that now, and you're gonna eventually have to pay Jaredverse.
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But that can be a good thing if he produces
the way you want him to, you hope. And he's
only twenty five. So I like what Cleveland did. I
don't know why you didn't trade Miles Garrett the year
before when he did one out, but I wondered if
maybe you weren't going to get the return you thought.
But he would have been twenty nine at the time,
(04:31):
now at thirty going on thirty one, and I think
you did pretty well trading him away. You've got a
lot of attention with the Sack record. Nobody is really,
you know, tuning in to see a Cleveland Browns game
unless they're just the curiosity of Shoudoor Sanders and Miles Garrett. Well,
I don't even know if Shodor is going to be
your starter this year, But for the Cleveland Browns, I
(04:54):
think they did a pretty good job yesterday. I'm sure
Joe Burrow probably went, wait, he got traded? Where Lamar Jackson?
It'd be funny if Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson called
up each other. Hey, did you hear the news?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I know, any feel a lot healthier, a lot healthier?
All right, Dylan?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Alrighty Dan, we got a few options. Paully sent this
one over. Who had the best day yesterday? The Browns,
the Rams, Miles Garrett or other Perhaps maybe the NFL
at large for usurping all the attention, NHL and NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, well, okay, the Patriots won at AJ Brown and
the Eagles Howie Roseman. Their GM probably thought, all right,
well let you And this is why Howie Roseman is great.
The Eagles traded a first and a third round pick
for AJ Brown back in twenty twenty two. They got
(05:50):
four one thousand yard seasons, they made two Super Bowls,
they won a Super Bowl. Now you trade a twenty
nine year old AJ Brown to the Patriots for a
first and a fifth round pick, that's pretty good stuff.
There by the Eagles GM, wait, you're gonna give me
four great seasons, two Super Bowl appearances. We win one
(06:11):
Super Bowl and now I get a first and a
fifth back. That's pretty good as well. So I wouldn't
sleep on what the Eagles did and why AJ Brown
just couldn't coexist with Jalen Hurts. But now he goes
with Drake May. He can be the featured guy. You
don't have to worry about. You know a running back
(06:32):
who wants to get fifteen to eighteen hundred yards. DeVante
Smith and Dallas Goddard. Everybody wants to, you know, get
their touches. Now you go to New England, you can
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Speaker 5 (07:09):
Dylan the Post, Miles Garrett Trade, The Rams are winning
at all, winning the NFC winning their division or missing the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Playoffs, Well, they better win the super Bowl. Yeah, this
is a move you make to win the super Bowl.
And I think anything other than winning the Super Bowl
or getting to the super Bowl would be a disappointment.
And they're over under now is eleven and a half,
I'm not sure if it was ten and a half before,
but they're one of the favorites. If not, you know,
(07:40):
the Ravens are up there, the Rams Seattle is going
to be back up there, but the Rams are expected
to be playing for a Super Bowl, yues Dylan.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Yeah, I mean, of the these are the top five
teams odds wise to win the Super Bowl, says Rams
plus six hundred, Bills plus one thousand plus one thousand,
Seahawks plus eleven hundred and Chiefs plus fifteen hundred. Would
you take the Rams out of that fivesome?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I probably. If I'm trying to get better odds, I
might take Kansas City. I mean, it's a roll of
the dice. With Kelsey coming back, Mahome's availability, what are
they going to do with the wide receiver position. I
thought they did well with their defense. You're in a
tough division, So does Buffalo get it right one of
(08:34):
these years, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, I mean that's the longest preseason odds the Chiefs
have been probably in a while. But it's also I'm
always I don't want to say a sucker for but
I like when, like a team that's been had a
great run, people view them as they've sort of died
off a little bit, and then everyone forgets about them,
and then all of a sudden they're in the super
Bowl again. You're like, how did we not see that
one coming?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you know, the Bengals might be a team that
I would take a flyer on, but you know, if
everybody stays healthy, you know maybe, But if you're looking
for longer odds instead of just going with the favorites,
I'd probably say that.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
All right, we'll.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
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(09:37):
We'll dissect the trades that happened yesterday. As soon as
I found out Miles Garrett was traded, I said to Fritzy,
reach out to Aaron Donald. And he goes, Okay, why,
I said, because the rams are probably saying reach out
to Aaron Donald. We just got Miles Garrett, and I thought,
(09:58):
Aaron Donald post all thesedeos on social media. He's working out.
What is he? Thirty two, thirty three? Yeah, Pauline, I.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Have him just turning thirty five years old? Oh, ten
days ago, okay, basically thirty a young thirty five. He
was benching the other day with dumbbells that were one
hundred and sixty pounds each. He looked like an active
football player.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He was asked about coming back.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is back in April the Not Just Football podcast.
This is April at the NFL Draft.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Well, even when people are asking all the time, like
you sure you don't want to play, I me like
to be honest with I have.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No urge to play football.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
No, that's good. Sometimes in back in my head, I'd
be like I want to out there.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I think about this and I'm like, nah, man, I'm like,
I was a guy that never wanted to play forever,
but I always said I was gonna do eight years
and be done. I just happened to win a super
Bowl my eighth year. I'm like, man, this is destiny.
And then but it's kind of addicted.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Is that? Like you can't just want to suit.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Ball and walk away.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's like you want to sperience that again. So I
wasn't fully done.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
I still had that I want to disappearance that again.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Shawn calls you every year.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
I must say the first the first two years, they
will still be talking. They talk about it, but be
kind of quiet down because you kind of know where
I'm at.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, i'd still reach out. That was April before you
got Miles Garrett. Now all of a sudden, you're not
the focal point. They're not going to be double teaming you.
You might go super Bowl is in Los Angeles, you
still live in LA. Maybe you just say to him,
how about you playing the home game? Yeah, you can
(11:30):
do a Roger Clemens deal with Houston or was that
the Yankees? Was it Houston? Marvin? Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm
just say, hey, you want to we won't even make
you go to Australia to start the season. You can
just come play, you know, practice, go home, play a game,
go home. You don't have to worry about any road
trips here. Yes, Todd, but what about the element of
(11:51):
like being away all this time is not getting regular hits.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
You know, you're in the gym and you're working out.
It's like a hockey player.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm still doing drills and skating all around the ice,
but you're not getting checked against.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
The boards or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's a very different thing working out than actually playing.
Thank you to I'm guessing Aaron Donald would be able
to quickly replicate or get that feeling back when you
think about this though, and I'd make make him a
rotation player, letting, you know, come in on third downs,
second down, whatever you want to do. But when you
(12:25):
think about certain players at certain positions, they're hitting getting
hit on every single play. You know, if you're the center,
tackle guard every single play, nose tackle, defensive tackle, every
single play, you get hit. Wide receivers don't. Quarterbacks don't.
Wide receivers don't. Defensive backs not necessarily on every single play.
(12:49):
So maybe Aaron Donald's like, I'm just getting tired of
getting hit, even though he was the one doing the hitting.
But I would be reaching out to him and or
I would I would say, hey, why don't you stop.
Why Miles Garrett's gonna have his press conference there? Hey,
oh wait, here's your jersey and it's in your locker.
(13:11):
Is still here? I'd be like, you know, just give
it a thought. Here, give it maybe maybe just a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yeah, Paul, I think this is a real topic. Aaron
Donald retired quite early. He was generally healthy. Guys like
Reggie White played till their late thirties. Bruce Smith was
four time All Pro after the age of thirty. You
give him, like you said, you just you practice a
little bit rotation player, pay them two million dollars per
sack and say that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Just playing the home games. Yeah, practice smactice. You're gonna
be hosting the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I mean I do think also to
there's certain positions that just coming in cold after not playing,
like probably offensive defensive line, because it's like you said,
it's more just there's a physicality and being in shape element,
but like skill positions. If you're like a receiver and
you haven't caught balls in a couple of years, Like
there might be a bit more of a learning curve
(14:04):
coming back.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, but these guys are working out year round. But
if you got I mean, Aaron Donald played the position
as well, if not better than anybody else who's played
that position. And there are a lot of great players
who played that right on you know, the nose, right
on the center. And he disrupted people. I always said,
(14:28):
he disrupts an offense more than any of these edge rushers.
If you said I could have Miles Garrett peak, Aaron
Donald peak, I'm taking Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald goes up
the middle. Now my quarterback is forced to be out
of the pocket. Whether if you're gonna have an edge rusher,
all right, I know he's over here on this side,
(14:49):
and I can steer the offense. I'm always geared here.
I can double him up over here. Even doubling Aaron Donald,
he would get up the middle. He would disrupt the
offense far more than an edge rusher. Yeah, Pauling.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
He retired after the twenty twenty three season. That's not
that long ago, you know, it's not five years, it's
two and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, Serena Williams coming back, Aaron Donald can come back, Yes,
doing yeah, And he.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Did say in that clip we played that he won
the super Bowl in his eighth season and he was like,
I thought I'd be done, but then you win one,
You're like, maybe I can do that again. If you've
used this as his best chance to win a second one,
it's not outside the ram of possibility.
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Speaker 2 (16:05):
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He was his safety. Uh he's of course with the
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right now?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, six oh two oh two twenty three to twenty three,
All right, that's like football weight. Yeah, my official weight
was two fifteen. That's what I had to weigh in at.
When I was in Oakland. We had to weigh in
every day. Every day we walked in the facility. Under Gruden,
(16:44):
we had to go right to the weight room and
weigh in, and Cleveland would Belichick. We wait in every
Friday and he stood there and it was fifty fifty
dollars per pound per day. So if you missed your
weight on Friday, you had the weigh in Saturday. If
you missed your weight on Saturday, you had the way
in Monday to the game. And it was fifty dollars
per pound per day.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Who ended up spending the most.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Back then, it was probably like a guy named We
had offensive guard named Wally Williams, an office of gard
named Jean Williams. I used to always be in the
steam room with guys like Eric Turner Steve because we
were like bigger safeties two fifteen, like two fifteen, like
like I felt like I couldn't. I couldn't eat to
(17:28):
stay at two fifteen, you know what I mean. So
cause you're young and you're grown, you got this. But yeah, yeah,
I never I never missed weight though I always made it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I wonder about somebody like Sebastian janik Kowski.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Oh that'd be a good one. I don't know, man,
I don't know, but I know Undergruden and it was
like every single day you walked in there and you
went and you made a bee line right for the
weight room, took your stuff off, got on the scale.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
How is everybody talks about Belichick sensey humor? Everybody he says, oh,
you would love him, And I go, well, I'll never
find out you you played for him?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, there wasn't. I mean you guys experience, in my experience, yeah,
there wasn't a whole lot of sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Man, there wasn't a.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Whole lot of Now the guy, the guy who had
a dry sense of humor, who you'd always you know,
you would see him kind of like get that little
you know, you get that little smile and crook. But
saving was like that, like Savan's a hard ass. Now
I'm telling you, he would lose it and then five
seconds later he'd be laughing. He was the guy who,
(18:38):
for me, I had more of the real relationship with
when I was in Cleveland and being coached by those
two dudes at the same time, and I told the
story a thousand times, was something like, I don't know
if that's for that's not for the week, that's for sure,
But Nick is the guy who really Nick was the
guy who has a pro really believed in my skills
(19:00):
and really stood up for me and backed me, and
he's why I played in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well, you guys weren't good enough maybe for Belichick to
have essentially humor around you.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Guys, that's true too. But we made the we made
the playoffs in ninety Then the ninety four season, if
we could have figured out a way to like calm
down Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd and Rod Woodson and
those guys, we would have made the super Bowl that year.
We had the best defense in the league, but our
offense was, let's say, less than not good.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Who was your quarterback?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It was a bunch of people. It was it was
Vinnie Testaverdi. Primarily, we just couldn't We just didn't have
any explosive component. Man. We had Eric Metcalf, Tommy Vardell,
Mark Carrier, Michael Jackson, guys like that, but we just
we just couldn't put it together consistently.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Touchdown Tommy Pardo. There you go, man, Stanford, Yeah, scored,
he scored them all there. He didn't score them in
the exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
We score, but I think we scored more than we
did on offense that year.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
How surprised were you that the Browns decided finally to
move on from Miles Garrett.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
It's kind of like, what, I'm not shocked. Look, you
know what teams that are always caught in this in
this in this state of you know, their evolution so
to speak, or their growth, which is they're always seeming
to reset, rebuild, trying to restock the covers, gain draft picks,
(20:36):
sell hope, push it off till next year. This is
what they do. Eventually, they get their best they take
their best player because they're gonna hit on somebody because
they're always drafted high, so they're gonna get somebody that
has unique skills, and eventually theyre gonna wind up trading
them away to reset it for the next coach. The
next coach, the next coach, the next coach, so a
I shocked.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
We sat across from Miles Garrett two years ago, I
think for a week eighteen game of All in Baltimore
where this was when he you know, he said going
into the offseason he was gonna have a talk with
Stefanski and the group there and and you know, and
kind of like trying to figure out like where where
the organization was headed. And you could just tell, like
Miles was he had done everything he could do individually
(21:17):
and he was just looking for team success. But Cleveland
was steadfast and that they weren't gonna trade him because
he's one of the best players in the league. And
Jim Schwartz, you know, and Miles, you know, they obviously
have been super productive. Well Schwartze he's gone, Miles is gone.
Cleveland has a bunch of draft picks again, and they're
selling hope again. That's this kind of like that's the
(21:39):
cycle they're in.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'll give you Aaron Donald and his prime, Miles Garrett
in his prime.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Woo wee man, you know what, you know, I'm gonna
go with Aaron. But I'm gonna go with Aaron for
this reason. You remember Jerry Gray, old Texas defensive back
and played for the Ram and he's a good friend
of mine. Coached in Washington when I was there. He said, look,
if you can give me the if you gave me
(22:06):
the choice between a guy who can create unique transcendent
pressure on the interior or a guy who can do
it on the exterior. I'm taking a guy on the
interior because that's the shorter distance that he has to
go to get to the quarterback and really disrupt things.
So I'm going with Eron.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I think the Browns did pretty well getting Jared Verse.
I know that they weren't going to make this move
unless they got Verse. He's on his rookie deal and
he's an emerging player. Like I like the deal for
both teams, and normally, you know, that's not a hot
take we want to give. You know, the Rams are
trying to win a Super Bowl. The Browns are trying
(22:43):
to get back to ground zero and say, now let's
build this with players and not get desperate. Overpay for
Deshaun Watson, maybe overpay for Miles Garrett just to keep
him in Cleveland. Now, maybe they build this thing right.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, Look, I think, well, yeah, they have a chance.
I mean, they have the assets to do it. But
you know what, like see that. This is why the NFL,
the NFL is the best business in the world, is
because in the off season now, like the Cleveland Browns fans, Yeah,
you may not have been relevant regular season wise when
it really counts, but now in the off season, which
(23:20):
this is now obviously a year round, a year round
you know, entertainment industry, they feel relevant right now. They're
in the news there, their feeling is. And I shouldn't
say it's just from that standpoint, because look at the
people in Cleveland are trying to win. They are, but again,
this is the cycle that they've always been in and
they have a chance. But we know this in the
(23:43):
team building, the team building process, Dan, the most important
part is the development and utilization of those assets. The
Rams and Sean McVay unless need, they know how to
do that. They know how to up and utilize guys
that they get and so for them, you're right, I
(24:04):
think in the end it's better for them only I
feel better about what they're doing than what I do
with Cleveland's with Cleveland because look, as much as I
love Todd Mounkin, and I don't. I'm not one of
these people who goes Wallas this Cleveland. Cleveland's going to Cleveland,
because I was there, man. I know that place was
on the on the right path when we were there.
I know we were They have a shot. But I
(24:26):
love I love the Rams approach this offseason. I think
it's perfect. It's the perfect combination of we have a
Hall of Fame quarterback that we know is year to year.
We have an offense that has great diversity in multiplicity
in terms we can wait, we can attack. We have
one of the best young play callers that the game's
ever seen. And defensively, now we addressed our Achilles Hield,
(24:49):
the reason why we lost to the Seahawks in the
first place, with these corners, and now now we've got
the one guy who every single team fears when the game's.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
On the line.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And they used to have that guy before, and that's
why they want to Super Bowl before. With number ninety
nine on the inside. Now, the best thing that the
Rams can do right now is get my guy to
come out of retirement and have ad played with Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Can you imagine, Well, I suggested, I would have him
just play home games.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I would, you know, but I'd have him do whatever
he wants pretty much. A Aaron, just tell me what
you want. We just want you. You've seen him lately,
doesn't he can step on the field right and I
promise you'd give you double digit sex right now.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm talking to Lewis Riddick of the Mothership. Okay, if
you're all in with Miles Garrett, yep, I can't draft
Ty Simpson where they drafted Ty Simpson. I just want
because I could have gotten Lemon Sedin. I could I
could get somebody who's going to help me this year
(25:53):
and next year.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But but okay, so that's.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Why you have Matthew Stafford is to win now.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Hey, But see all right, this is what Lessnie's job
is to do. Though his job is to look. I
believe a general manager's job is to win now and
prepare for the future and see around corners. That's what
they That's what the job is.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's hard to win now and plan for the future.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But that's exactly what he's done.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, no, no, no. Their model is the transfer portal.
They are, but they're like a college football team that
doesn't deal in young kids as much as they deal
in transfers.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But they have they have plenty of homegrown talent on
that football team that they've drafted. It just hasn't been
first round picks, but they have plenty of guys that
were draft picks of theirs.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, but you go good Stafford, you get McDuffie, Now
you get Miles Garrett. Right, but you know what, Bonta Adams.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Let's see versus a draft pick. Braydon Fisk was a
draft pick, cam Kinchin's was a draft pick. Pook and
Nicole was a draft pick. Steve Avila was a draft pick.
These are they know how to draft.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But they're big ticket items. They're getting transferred portal.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You're the ones that we talk about. Yeah, you're right.
But see here's the thing. They're still set up to
win this year. And if Matthew decides after this year,
like if his back whatever, it is the number one
position that we killed teams for for not having taken
care of his quarterback, they can say in their mind,
they go, guess what, we've taken care of that too. Yeah,
(27:15):
that's why I like it.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Why did the Eagles move on from aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Chemistry? Personality?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
No, Okay, let me let me, let me, let me
back up and say this. I'm not saying that Aj
has the wrong personality. People in Philadelphia love AJ Brown.
Inside that locker room, in that building love AJ Brown.
It just wasn't mixing anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Just Jalen Hurts love AJ Brown.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I would ask you a question, does it look like
he does?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
No, I know it doesn't look like AJ Brown likes
Jalen Hurt.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You know what, and you know what, sometimes two things,
those two things can be true, and you know what,
it's just best to go, Okay, you know what, let's
move on addition by subtraction. Wow, Now he's with a
guy who knows how to push his buttons perfectly because
he did it at one time when Aj was in Tennessee.
I remember seeing him there in beast, an absolute beast.
(28:13):
Mike will get the best out of him. Up there,
He's exactly what they needed. And then the leads filled up.
It was exactly what they needed. Philly has a lot
of moving parts that they're gonna have to kind of
integrate this year. Sean Mannon's got his work cutof for him,
a lot of real good moving parts. But it was
best for both teams.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's just weird that Philadelphia has. There's turmoil, there's tension,
there's a story like they were an a late team. Yeah,
that's what's amazing. You would think a dysfunctional team would
have all the movement, changing offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, coach
on the hot seat, go to a super Bowl, win
(28:50):
a super Bowl like this is wild. But you know
when you look at what they traded for aj Brown.
So in twenty twenty two first round, third round pick,
they get four one thousand yard seasons, they get two
super Bowl appearances, one super Bowl win. Now he's twenty nine,
you get a first round and a fifth round pick.
(29:11):
I think Howie Roseman did an unmivable job there.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, that's how you try to maximize. That's how you
maximize value, both on the front end in terms of
the production he gave you and then on the back
end in terms of what you received once you decide
to move on, and then what you're replacing him with,
which is a former Heisman Trophy winner who now ascends
to the number one role a guy. And Mackay Lemon,
(29:37):
who when you watch his tape looks subjectively you would say, look,
he's not a J.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Brown, but this.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Dude's gonna be a fifty to fifty five catch guy.
You get Eli Stowers, who's the Mackie Award winner at
tight end, who really is a big another big wide receiver.
So then you get Dantavian Wicks, who I really liked
when he was that. There's a lot still in the
cupboard there for them. Now it's up to Sewn to
(30:02):
put it all together, Manion. But yeah, you know what
when you touch on something that is that's that is interesting?
Is that what it shows you is that this is
a very supremely talented football team in terms of the
physical skills these guys have and really the football character
that they play with to be able to still withstand
(30:22):
all this stuff that we constantly talk about with this
team and still get the Super Bowl and win them,
or at least or or be just a couple of
plays away from winning them.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
What if Deshaun Watson starts for Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh boy, what if he does? You know what I think?
I think in the end, I think the only thing
in Cleveland that I would care about, honestly, it's just
can we just get a season where we have more
w's than els. I really don't care if he starts
(30:57):
or if he doesn't. I just honestly, I want the
organization and to not be one that we talk about
more in the off season for how good they could be,
and we talk about more during the season because of
how good they are. And if he starts, that means
he was the best player, and Todd thought he was
the best player at the position, And if he starts,
it's because he probably looked pretty damn good all offseason
and beat out Shador who supposedly, according to coach Monkin,
(31:20):
has looked pretty good himself. So I don't I really,
you know what, I'm kind of over all the other
stuff surrounding Deshaun, although as much as I can't stand
it and as much as look, I was one of
those people when Deshaun was in at Clemson and talking
to Dabbo about him, I was as big a fan
of his as ever. There was nobody more disappointed and
all the stuff he got caught up in than me.
(31:42):
But in the end, I just want Cleveland to win,
and if he's what helps them win, so be it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And it just feels like Cleveland's gonna have a new
quarterback next year.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You mean in twenty twenty seven after this season. Yeah,
oh for sure. Yeah, well I know. Let me back up,
I would lean that way myself. I shouldn't say for sure,
but with all the draft capital they have now and
with the way the draft, next year will be the
most watched draft.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Maybe the one thing during COVID was the most watch
draft ever. Because of the circumstances, this will be the
most hyped and publicized draft since I've been doing it
in the past thirteen years. It's going to be crazy
with the number of quarterbacks coming out, and assuming that
they all play to their potential, there's gonna be that.
This is why teams have been trying to stockpile picks
for this coming twenty seven draft, because it's going to
(32:34):
be insane, how drama filled that those three days are
going to be. I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Always great to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
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Speaker 2 (32:57):
Jim Jackson Fox NBA College Basketball analyst played fourteen years
in the NBA. We finally found an NBA finals with
two teams that you did not play for in your
career at Jim.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
You know, here's the thing about it, though, Dan, all
those teams continue to allow me to cast those checks.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
So that was all right, end of the day, end
of the day.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
What do you do with chet? Holmground? I don't want
to overreact here you are why.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Because I think you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
It's is it a Chet problem or is it a
Chet problem? When they play against Wimby. Now I know
last year in the finals he struggled a little bit.
He had he was injured, he had to come back,
and he struggled a little bit. But if you look
at Chef throughout the course of the year, and Chase said,
this is that you know, without Chet, they don't want
a championship. Without Chet, they're not in a situation to compete.
(33:55):
So what happens is in this particular series against Wimby,
he doesn't look like Chad Holmgren. So now it's well,
what do we do with him? So I don't want
to I wouldn't be the one that panics right away
because if you go back to history. Think about this.
You had questions about Scottie Pippen when he played against
the Knicks, his toughness.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Could he be that second guy? Now?
Speaker 8 (34:18):
If the Bulls gave up on Scotty that early, do
we have the dynasty that the Bulls have Kobe Bryant
his rookie year when he infamously shot those air balls
against Utah? If the Lakers paniced quickly, and Jerry West said,
did I make the wrong decision? Is it the Kobe
(34:38):
Bryant that we saw? Is the Laker dynasty? Too many
times we want to, based on a series, give up
on a person when they're still young and still learning. Yes,
he has to grow, especially against Wimby. But I don't
think you pulled that trigger right the way based on
just because it was san Antonio.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Oh I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. I heard analysts
yesterday Jim saying they think he's played his last game
with okay see, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, Wait
a minute, hold on here, he's a He's a good player,
not a great player yet, but he's going to be
compared to Wemby probably the rest of his career. Correct,
(35:18):
that won't go well. But I can't have somebody who
doesn't take a shot in the second half of the
most important game of the season. So mentally is what
I'm I got to figure out. Does he want to
be great? Does he does he want does he want
the heat.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Against San Antonio?
Speaker 8 (35:38):
Yeah, because here's the thing, because another seat and I
get what you're saying too, because with Kobe, at least
Kobe wasn't afraid to take the shots.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I mean, you knew that.
Speaker 8 (35:47):
Okay, air balls are not in the moment, it may
not have went through the nets, but his mentality was
I feel I can make it.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
The thing about Chet against San Antonio is the lack
of aggression. Okay, if you misshots, you misshot, it's gonna happen.
But his body language, lack of aggressiveness, lack of attacking,
lack of doing anything else.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
It's different.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Okay, make miss some shots, rebound, block shots, assists, play,
make all these other things that he could have helped
his team to maybe win a game.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
His stat line didn't indicate that.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
And I think that's where the issue is with a
lot of people too, is that Okay, yeah, you didn't
shoot well, but man, you didn't do anything else either.
So I hope that internally they've had enough information downloaded,
enough information on Chet to understand what his value is
and they don't pad it.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Now.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
Is it a situation where you can get Yannis? Wef
you can get Yannis and this is a short term
fix in the next three to four years that you
got a chance to compete against, you know, san Antonio,
who you're gonna have to go through. Now, what does
that look like? Because you have young players and you
have draft assets that can make it make sense. Okay,
(37:06):
And that's something internally that they have to look at.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
It feels like both of these teams in the finals
are underdogs.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
From what perspective, well.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Historically with the Knicks and san Antonio with just youth. Yeah,
but they do feel under I know san Antonio is
a slight favorite, but you don't get that sense that
they're kind of underdoggy.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
I think it's question marks, you know what I mean,
Because the status quo is like, Okay, well, a young
team shouldn't be able to make it this far. A
young team you have to go through the process, which
history says that's what teams do. Boston had to do it,
and they lost in the Eastern Conference Finals. A couple
of times. The Lakers had to do it, the Bulls
had to do it, Detroit had whatever it is. But
(37:57):
in today's world, with the way the game is and
the youth in the game, this team was put together
and they were able to jail together a young coach
with Miss Johnson, they all grew and they figured things
out collectively and they beat the top dog. So there
still are going to be some questions with New York.
It's yeah, and you know New York is good, but
(38:18):
New York is good. But can Cat continue to play
and be facilitator? Can Jalen with the ball in his
hands be able to make plays? And Josh Hart as
all these things? But the beauty of it is both
teams got here in their own unique way. New York
played their best basketball at end of the year down I
mean unbelievable, I mean unbelievable, role players understood who they were.
(38:40):
And then when San Antonio, everybody just bought in defensively, offensively,
no egos. That's the beauty about this series because there
are still some little unknowns like o Case you know
who they are. Golden State you knew who they were.
These two teams, I think are still evolving. Even though
New York is still an older, more mature team. You know,
(39:02):
they still ask some questions to answer.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
When did we go from ball hog to ball dominant?
Like remember this was a bad thing. Isaiah was with
us a couple of weeks ago and he said, yeah,
we we were a ballhog if you know, it wasn't
ball dominant, But I don't know, like was Iverson a
ball hog? But was ball dominant and great at it? Like,
(39:28):
I don't know when when we went from that? Yet,
man passed the ball too, Hey, he needs it so
he can get his shots.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Well.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Correspondent with analytics, because analytics is going to tell you
somebody's juices rate. And now once we start breaking that
number down a high usage right now. Again, that takes
in a lot of factors. But James Harden, Russell Westbrook
and Luca Downtchets a Jalen brunts it because they had
the ball in their hands a lot more. And those
analytics are gonna look different. They're gonna use those numbers
(40:00):
to make a point about a person, or to make
another point about a person that they're two ball dominating.
That's a great question too, because throughout the game and
history they're being guys that dominated the ball a little
bit more, but it wasn't looked I don't know if
it was looked at it the same way it is
(40:20):
in today's game because they're a little bit more isolations,
you know, in some situation, and a player like a
Jalen Brunson who does dominate the ball but still make plays,
still make shots big time. So it's a confluencedw here's
the thing. Jalen Brunton dominates, but yet if you're Mike Brown,
(40:42):
if you're libidoh man, I gotta have a ball in
my best player's hand. And the way their team is built,
who else Now that cat is doing his thing, but
before it's going to facilitate who else had to ender
the shot? Clock is really going to go get their shot.
So it's a catch twenty two with depending on how
your team is made up.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We're talking to Jim Jackson, Fox Sports. How do you
explain what Brunson does in a tiny space that ability
to his handle is not outside his body. It's kind
of tight spaces. But to find those spaces, not be
afraid of those spaces and kind of get you leaning
(41:22):
one way or another. Can you teach that.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
Yeah, you can, because this is the beauty about the
game of basketball, especially somebody like Jalen Brunson who doesn't
rely on athleticism to be able to make him the
kind of player that he is. So give a lot
of credit to his father, Rick Brunson, when he was younger,
to understand to use your ability in between your ears,
to understand space angles how to create shots. Okay, so
(41:50):
you take the number one player in high school point guard.
Watch he could have went anywhere, Dan, but he chose
to go to Villanova. Ryan Archie Diacino was the starting
point guard to that time. Jayden Brunson could have started
for you know, eight hundred other schools, but he chose
to go there. Why because the teaching the fundamentals, understanding
how to play the game the right way was very important.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It is valuable. So now you get to Villanova, you
learn how.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
To play off the two feet in between small, tiny spaces.
So take his already high iq, combine that with what
Jay Wright was doing and that system there at Villanova,
and now you have.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
The national player of the year, a two time champion.
Speaker 8 (42:31):
Even though he went in the second round in the draft,
people still question whether he could do it. And now
you have more space to play within the NBA. But
yet and still the skill set has continued to develop.
That's why Jalen Brunson is so potent as a player
because he doesn't rely on athleticism, but he can get
to a spot, use his body, create space and excellent football.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
But the NBA is littered with guys who don't look
like they can be all time greats. Joker did not
look like Yannis when he got here. Dirk was labeled soft,
Steve Nash too small, SGA, SGA. I mean that's the
beauty of basketball. Yes, it's he doesn't look like he
(43:14):
could score forty, like even Luka. When you're around, when
you watch Luca, you're like, okay, and then all of
a sudden you look up and he's got thirty five.
I just I find that fascinating that these guys have
that something you know, something different in their DNA that
allows them to be better because they figured it out.
(43:36):
It's not you know, and those guys I mentioned, I'm
they're not relying on athleticism at all. That crazy athletic.
I mean they have it, but you're just somehow, some
way you figured out Rubik's cube here. And I think
that's what's fascinating with Brunson.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
But the history of the game too.
Speaker 8 (43:54):
Think about it a Larry Bird the same way, Jack Sickmund,
same way, because the guys and the players they had
to play against were a little bit more athletically gifted.
But what they were able to do with Kevin McHale, Okay,
it was footwork, it was understanding angles, it was okay,
where do I receive the ball? Can I get to
my space? These things were drilled over and over and
(44:17):
over again, Okay, to utilize who they have around them,
but also to understand, this is how I'm gonna make
my money. Is these the skill set that I have
developed based on who I am as a player, not
anybody else. And that's the beauty about the game because
the game can be played in a lot of different ways,
(44:37):
and I think a lot of times in today's world.
Harp on athleticism athleticism. Athleticism, well, at some point athleticism
is great because it's athletes across the board in every sport.
But the ones that understand how to make that connection
up here. That's why I think Michael Jordan was such.
(45:00):
This is a phenomenal player because he took the athleticism
with the skill set, the mindset of how to play
the game. That's what made him unstoppable. Okay, And the
same thing you talked about with I think Jalen and
SGA and Luca Jokic unbelievable I mean unbelievable players because
they play the game between their ears.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
How does the finals play out?
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I like that.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
I like the Knicks in six and the reason why
is because not because the sixth I mean the next
beat him two to one during the season.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
It's a matchup thing.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
Now listen, the I mean OKC has already dealt with Garden,
Anthony Edwards, already dealt with SGA. They're gonna plug him,
send multiple guys out him, force other players like Alas
Caruso and Mitchell if he would have played or to
make shots. So that means Josh hart Wenby probably is
(45:53):
gonna start on. It's gonna have to make shots. But
what I love about this New York team, they bigger
across the board, you know, with Mitchell Robinson inside and
cat outside. But across their wings with Og and also
michel Bridges and Johns.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
They have size.
Speaker 8 (46:08):
San Antonio is not a big team outside of Wemby,
they're not big. And Luke Cornett who comes in, so
those double teams when they come and get Jalen in
the middle of the court, now you have bigger guys
receiving the ball in the middle with Og and Micheal
that can make play. I just think that gives them
a strategical advantage that the other teams didn't have. And
(46:30):
that's why I like the Knicks defensively offensively because of
that size. If they have that can I think negate
some of that aggressive defensive nature that san Antonio will employ.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Great to talk to you, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
We got it, brother, enjoy it man.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
That's Jim Jackson.
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