July 31, 2026 • 31 mins
Tampa Bay Times reporter Rick Stroud discusses the Baker Mayfield contract negotiations and addresses the trade speculation surrounding Vita Vea. Senior MLB insider Jeff Passan breaks down the latest from the MLB trade deadline and discusses HOF eligibility among various players. 49ers reporter Matt Barrows clears up some of the confusion surrounding Kyle Shanahan's recent car accident and shares his thoughts on the team's outlook this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, it's a time honored tradition. When things go wrong
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, we call Rick Stroud. He
covers the Buccaneers for the Tampa Bay Times Sports Day
Tampa Bay Podcast. You want to start with Baker or
Vita Vea.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, Dan, I'm feeling a little disrespected. I'm a little
undervalued by you, quite frankly.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I've been on you know, McAfee and Rich Eisen, but
you finally got around to me. But uh, yeah, let's
start with Baker because that seems to be the headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
He kind of went after his ownership a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, help me understand this business strategy with Baker. I mean, this,
you know, fits with his personality, but I don't know
what kind of number he's looking for and if ownership
is going to acquiesce to this.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, well, I think he was looking you know, as
much as the number obviously that was they would have
begun with a five I think is in fifty something million,
But the years is what really was disappointing to him
as much as anything, and they felt like they came down.
I'm sure that they probably started a four years and
we're talking about guaranteed money, right, because that's really all
that matters, you know. I think they felt like they
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moved to three and the Glaziers were insisting on two.
And if you feel or you're being told you're a
franchise quarterback, I think most guys would expect more than
two years. And to be honest with you, Dan, I
mean this franchise. The thirty million dollars or thirty three
million that Baker has averaged the last three years, that's
the most money they've ever paid a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
They never paid quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And you go back to Doug Williams before the Glaziers,
Steve Young, Vinny Testaverdi, Trent Doper, Jameis Winston. Those guys
never made second contracts. So I think the valuation of
the position is kind of shocking to the Glaziers a
little bit. They say they love Baker, and I believe
they do, but you know, it just it wasn't gonna
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happen for him for two years. He just didn't think
that that was something that he felt he had earned
more than that after the last three years that he's
put in here.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Okay, so what happens, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Think you know they can say that it's not going
to be an effect on his team.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know, Baker is best when he's backed into a corner.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
We all know that walk on to Texas Tech, walk
on in Oklahoma, win the Heisman, all that kind of stuff.
But I think you have to kind of look and say, Okay,
what happened in the offseason. Mike Evans decides to go
to San Francisco. They offered him more money to stay,
he didn't stay for whatever reason. And then you have
Vitavea saying he wants to be traded, not a new contract,
(02:35):
I want out of here. And then fortunately for him,
he got the oh I gotta tweaked back situation so
I don't get fined fifty.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Thousand dollars a day. And then now you have Bakers.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So you know, when guys in that locker room see
they're not taking care of Baker, they're not taking care
of Vita, I gotta believe that that they have talks,
and it's probably not a good vibe, but you know
that Baker's gonna go out there and play with his
hair on fire, and that's really all that matters. At
the end end of the day is just how hard
he goes and hopefully he'll be healthy.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's another thing. He's the only one.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Of three guys Dan that started all three years every game,
but he's played, but he's not played well at times
because of the injuries that he's had.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So how does this go bad?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
It goes bad if if Baker gets hurt, it goes
really bad for Baker. He's no security after this year.
It goes bad if they get to the end of
the year and you know, Baker, if he has a
good year, Uh, they can franchise tag him. I know
there's a lot of dead money, but they you know,
the cap is is you know, hocus pocus stuff. Anyway,
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they'll move money around, so they'll try to lock him up.
But I mean, I could see Baker getting to the
end of the year if he had a great year
and saying I don't want to be franchised. You guys
had your chance before the season. You know this, this
is kind of what he's been mister, you know, shoulder chips.
So I don't, I don't, I don't really know. But
but they have a chance to win this division and
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it's gotten a little better. They're still I think the
best team in the division, and winning kind of cures everything.
I mean, it's not impossible that you know, they've done
this with other players, including Mike Evans when you get
through the season. Mike Evans didn't want to talk about
a contract he was in his last year, but right
before free agency they gave him, you know, two years,
fifty two million dollars and everybody was happy.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So there'll be time.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Franchise tag hold places for guys to get longer term deals.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So we'll see how it goes. It all depends on
how he plays well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And that's different to Viteveos saying it. I don't want
to hear about a contract. I want out what's the
likelihood that he'll be traded.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I think it's probably very slim to none.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
They need him in their defense.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
They I've talked to Todd Bowles last year and he said,
that's the one guy I have. No one I can
replace him with. You know, he occupies two guys on
every play. But when you're thirty one years old and
you're way upwards of three hundred and fifty five pounds,
probably no one's actually gotten on a scale next to him,
so I don't know what he weighs, but you know,
that's that's a tough thing. But he's making seventeen million.
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I think they could just juice up this year, give him,
you know, get him into the twenties for this season,
let him become a free agent after this season. And
if they do that, he'd be in the top ten,
which is where he belongs as far as pay goes.
And maybe everybody's happy, but he is here. He has
that back tweak, he hasn't walked out of camp, he's
not being fine, So those are all good signs that
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maybe they can work something out.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Always great to talk to you, Rick, Thanks, thank you,
Thanks good saying Jeh.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
That's Rick Stroud.
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Speaker 2 (06:50):
Earth Wind and Fire no better R and B band
than earth Wind and Fire. Right, I think that's a consensus, correct?
Speaker 8 (06:57):
I think so?
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah? Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
I would like to throw sly in the family stone
into the cottage.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
You would get no argument from me with slying the
family stone.
Speaker 10 (07:06):
Yes, yeah, Paul, cool in the gang upper echelon, though
not equal to but in that neck of the wood.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, Earth went in fire and Slide. They probably stand alone.
Cool in the gang was cool, but uh okay, Yeah,
they'd probably be a B band maybe B plus.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
Yes, Mar and a lot of people would differentiate. There
was the instrumental cool in the gang, and then they
got into the celebration to how they got to the
real big pop hits. So there's two different cools in
the gang.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Cool in the gangs, yes, Paul.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
Modern era boys to Men strong representation.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Yeah, they're the Sami Sosa of R and B. They
had a three year run that who was unbelievable?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Wait were they cheating?
Speaker 9 (07:54):
No?
Speaker 8 (07:54):
No, no, I just mean three sixty Okay, they had
three sixty home run seasons.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Boys to make.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Okay, Jeff Passon walking into this topic, ESPN Senior Baseball Insider,
you have anything you want to offer up on this topic.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
I was born on the twenty first of September, so
I love that song and I was wondering if that
was intentional, someone was doing like a little Sly nod there.
And by the way, Sly and the family Stone probably
deserves some sort of mention in here as well.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yes, yeah, I agree they that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I still look back of what they were doing when
they were doing it, and Sly was pretty unique. Without Sly,
I don't think you have prints. I think his impact
was even Rick James, Sly and the family Stone probably
had a large influence on them. Okay, we're here to
talk baseball. By the way, are the Mets selling? Are
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they a seller at the deadline? What are they doing? Oh?
Speaker 9 (08:58):
Yeah, they're selling. Just how much they sell?
Speaker 10 (09:01):
I'm not quite sure, but I anticipate Freddy Pearlton is
going to go. Could be pretty soon, Luke Weaver, I
think at this point the market is strong enough where
even though he's under contract for next season, there are
so few relievers dan of potentially great impact like eighth
and maybe even ninth inning guys on the market right
(09:21):
now that I think the Mets are going to catch
that one in Clay Holmes's market is great at this point.
I was talking with the team last night. That's like,
you know, we're interested in him. But what they're projecting
that they're going to get is a little too rich
for our blood. So in this season of absolute doom
from the New York Mets, the possibility of at least
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a little bit of salvaging going on at the trade
deadline here, it makes makes the pain a little less
bad than it's been. But really, what a disappointing season
for them? I mean, what a what a does that?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Every year?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Speaking of relievers, we brunt this up last week or
the week before.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Is the role as Chapman going to be a Hall
of Famer?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (10:08):
Yeah, absolutely. I don't think there's any question at this point.
The saves the strikeouts once. Once the door was cracked
for modern relievers to go in, I think Chapman will
be in there. The questions to me, like Craig Kimbrel,
Kennley Jansen, did they make the cut as well?
Speaker 9 (10:28):
By the numbers, Dan, they sure do well?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Like it.
Speaker 10 (10:31):
It's those three this generation, And I think once you know,
once beyond, like the Gossages and the Mariano Rivera's, once
you started to get into that next tier of closers,
it just opened the door for guys like Chapman and
Jansen and Kimbrol.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
This steroid era.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Because of that, it feels like we're getting Hall of
Fame classes that make like Jeff Kent, Beltron, Andrew Jones.
They're really good players, and I know that they're all
in the same building, They're not all the same Hall
of Famers. But has the steroid era changed the voting
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or what the requirement? You know, five hundred home runs,
three thousand hits. I don't know if we're going to
get you know, some of these numbers making it tougher,
you know, and his Andrew Jones. A Hall of Famer
is Carlos Beltron and the you know, part of the
cheating scandal, part of you know this, Jeff Kent, he
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played second base and hit a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Of home runs. Are these Are these all? Hey? Hall
of Famers? No doubt.
Speaker 10 (11:40):
I don't vote for the Hall of Fame anymore, Dan,
I don't know if I would have voted for any
of them. Okay, if I did, and when I did
vote for the Hall of Fame, I was a small
hall guy.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
But I also think that this is less to do.
Speaker 10 (11:53):
With the steroid era and more to do with the
knowledge that we have because of analytics and the way
that we can look at the numbers, compare them, understand
maybe beyond those surface numbers, what the death of a
player's true contributions actually were. And I think the reason
that Jones and Beltron got in is because they're center fielders.
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It's a positional thing, and centerfield is so valuable defensively.
And Andrew Jones was so incredible defensively, and Beltron was
right up there with him among the more elite defensive
center fielders.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
Of his generation.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
And so because of that, I think are our ability
to contextualize numbers better than we have in the past
that has carved a path for these guys who aren't
Inner circle Hall of Famers but who were excellent players
to make the threshold. And part of it, too, is
that they're being compared with the low end of Hall
of famers. And it's like, I'm not going to call
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it a sin, but the sins of our past come
back to haunt us. You let in somebody who's down
here as compared to up there, everybody who's down here
is going to be compared to them, And you know,
they're arguments that can be made that are compelling for
just about anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Talking to Jeff Patinson from the Mothership, I forget who
we had on who said that Shoheo Tani is already
the greatest baseball player of all time. I think CC
Sabathia said that he's already the greatest baseball.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Player of all time. What do you think of that statement.
Speaker 10 (13:21):
I think it depends how you define greatest baseball player
of all time. I would say Choho Tani is unquestionably
the most talented baseball player of all time. But for me,
greatness is a combination of talent and longevity, and I
think holding that longevity standard when we're talking about the
best ever is an important thing. I understand that longevity
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is not something that you can ever predict with someone.
You don't know how a guy's body is going to
hold up. You don't know if he's going to be
able to play twenty years. But the standard that's been
set for greatness in the past is a combination of
doing it for.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
A really long time at a really level.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
And Otani has done it for upward of a decade now,
and that decade has been about as good as you
can get. And that's with all of the injuries that's
with multiple elbow surgeries.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
That's with the back and forth.
Speaker 10 (14:13):
That's with spending six years in the purgatory of Anaheim
and playing for a Los Angeles Angels team that never surrounded.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
You with a whole lot.
Speaker 10 (14:21):
And so Otani's first decade has been incredible.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
But is he the best ever? No, he's the most
talented ever.
Speaker 10 (14:28):
He can be the best ever if he continues to
do this for another decade.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But if Babe Ruth knew about show Hey Otani, he
never would have stopped pitching.
Speaker 9 (14:39):
You know what, I actually think that is in astute point.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
But I don't know what kind of I don't know
if like Babe Ruth was a bastard competitor either. Like
a lot of that comes down, I think to what
your motivations are, and shohe Atani's motivation is to do
the things that people tell him he can't do. Be
a two way player. We don't have those in baseball.
(15:03):
Well now we do. You want to be a great
all around offensive player. You can't steal bases? Okay, well
here's fifty one for you to go, or fifty nine
to go along with fifty one home un There are
just so many things that Shoheo Tani has done throughout
the course of his career that nobody imagined he would
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ever be able to do. That to me is the
reason CEC says what he says, and I don't begrudge
him for it at all. Dan, I think, if you're
a player, the way you look at it is this
guy is doing things on a field that I could
never have conceived of. Somebody who's that much of an outlier,
that different than all the rest of us by the
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nature of his skills, he must be the best.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I guess it's not a question of if, but when
or where Trek Skubel is traded at where how many
bidders are involved in this?
Speaker 10 (16:02):
I think you see the Tampa Bay Rays, the Milwaukee Brewers,
the Los Angeles Dodgers, the Atlanta Braves, and the Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
Is the main five right now include the Yankees sneak in.
Could the Phillies potentially do it?
Speaker 10 (16:17):
I suppose, But I think at the end of the day,
the likeliest three right now are probably Milwaukee, Los Angeles
in Atlanta. And what it's going to come down to, Dan,
is the team's appetites to give up their tippy top prospects.
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Now, I don't think Casu's made.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Who's the number one prospect in all of baseball shortstop
in the Brewers organization. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Would the Dodgers include Joe Suaye de Paula their top prospects,
an outfielder who looks like Jordon Albarez and is produced
like him in the minor leagues. Would the Rays include
Theo Gillen their number one prospect, ten guy and the
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whole sports centerfield or young, dynamic athletic everything's good about him.
Would any of these teams do these high level players
for what is a rental? And that, to me is
why I thought from the beginning that the Dodgers have
the advantage over all these other teams.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Dan.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
The lifeblood of the Tampa Bay Rays and the Milwaukee
Brewers is drafting, signing, and developing young players and watching
them blossom under six years of club control in the
big leagues. The Dodgers do it just as well as them,
and also spend four times as much as both of them,
So the Dodgers don't need these prospects quite like the
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Brewers than the Rays do, and so the incentive is
just there for them to say, Hey, if all it
takes is prospect costs, in the same way, we're going
to approach this that we do free agents. If all
this takes his money and we have more than everyone else, well,
if all this takes his prospects and we have as
much as everyone else without the penalty for going and
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spending it, why wouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, I understand that. It's like the la Rams said,
f draft picks. You know, we don't need draft picks
because you know, we can go out and sign somebody
or trade for somebody. And the Dodgers can have that philosophy.
You know, the Yankees had great farm prospects, but when
they got up to the majors, they were able to
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keep them. That was the difference. The Yankees did something
that nobody else was able to do. They kept everybody.
The Dodgers approach has been different than can anybody else
replicate what the Dodgers are doing with their business philosophy?
Speaker 10 (18:43):
The Mets, the Yankees, the Cubs, the Red Sox, that's
pretty much it. Maybe the Blue Jays just because they
have a whole country and they have a very, very
wealthy ownership. But what's different about the Dodgers, Dan, is
that they've got the Otani force multiplier, where you know,
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if you have Shoheo Tani on your team and a
halfway competent group of business executives, that your floor revenue
wise is going to be pretty much where everyone else's
ceiling is. And the Dodgers have leveraged Jotani to enormous returns,
the first baseball team to go over a billion dollars
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a year in revenue, and they're on track to replicate
that this year, and so Dodge margin. He is the
greatest bargain in the history of baseball, the seven hundred
million dollar player who has made more money for his
team than anyone else.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
And even Dan, even at.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
A straight seven hundred million, he would be a bargain,
but seven hundred million brought down because of deferrals to
about four hundred and fifty or so million. Yeah, it's
it's the in terms of a player maximizing his value,
Shoho Tani's contract is the worst contract in baseball right
now for a player.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
And I don't.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
Begrudge him for signing this seven hundred million dollar deal,
but he's a billion dollar player.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
He is that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And showhy might not win the MVP this year based
off not being able to pitch. If you know this
tender knee Pete Crow Armstrong keeps creeping.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Up odds wise.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh yeah, so there there is an opening for somebody
to steal the nationally gu MVP.
Speaker 10 (20:34):
It's it's amazing what Petekrah Armstrong's done this year. We
knew what his floor was he was going to be
based on his position in center field, his speed, the
defense that he plays. He's a two to three win
player without swinging the bat every year. But the fact
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that he has walked almost twelve percent of the time
this year, that he's brought down strikeouts as well, that
he's his on base percentage, which was hovering around three
hundred last year, is more like three to eighty this year.
He has become the type of player that the Chicago
Cubs frankly were dreaming he could be when I got
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him at the trade deadline for hobbyer Bias a half
decade ago.
Speaker 11 (21:20):
And that's why, remember that's why this time of year,
Dan matters, because the superstars of today quite often come
from the deals of the deadline.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Don Mattingley and Bryce Harper. Are they going to be
able to coexist in Philly?
Speaker 9 (21:36):
I think it's more Bryce Harper and Dave don Browski.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
You know, Don Don Mattingley coming out and saying what
he did was surprised, Like a lot of people in
the industry were surprised at that.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
If you just let that go.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
Or if you're asked about it, you're Don Mattingley, can't
you just say Bryce is just like the rest of us.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
He wants to win. Now, I'm serious, Dan, It's squashed
right there like that.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
They actively turn that into a multi day thing that
we are now talking about on the Dan Patrick Show.
And it very easily could have just been either ignored
or casually comically eye rolled away. But no, they made
something out of this. And here's the thing. Bryce Harper
was right. The Phillies do need to add. They need
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to add in multiple areas. They need a leverage reliever,
they need a fifth starter, they need an outfield bad
they need maybe another bat as well on top of that.
So I think everything he was saying right, it was true.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Great to talk to you is always have fun this
weekend and certainly on Monday.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
I appreciate you not asking about Trek Schoobel. This is
the only time that will happen. And yes, I do
think school is getting traded, and yes, of course Dodgers
are the favorites.
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
Matt Barrows, he covers the forty nine ers for the
Athletic He's been covering the team since two thousand and three. Matt,
thanks for joining us on short notice. How would you
describe the last two weeks around this team?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Hectic?
Speaker 12 (23:22):
That would be the way I would start.
Speaker 13 (23:24):
It seems like there's a big news item every moment here,
including last night with Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 12 (23:32):
The big one, and I'm sure you want to ask
me about.
Speaker 13 (23:34):
It, is the Kyle Shanahan accident crash, and that's obviously
still looming over the team right now.
Speaker 12 (23:42):
I don't think he's going to be back.
Speaker 13 (23:43):
At practice today in full and we really don't know
exactly when he's going to kind.
Speaker 12 (23:50):
Of resume his everyday duties.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Okay, it just feels like we keep adding to the
mystery of this white Isn't this just a cut and
dried story that coach gets injured car accident, non life
threatening injuries, will let you know when he's going to
be back at practice. Couldn't it just exist like that
from the beginning?
Speaker 13 (24:14):
Yeah, it should have if the team had kind of
disclosed it on what was it, July fourteen when it happened.
Speaker 12 (24:21):
But I think when you don't do that, and there
were some things out of.
Speaker 13 (24:27):
Their control that happened, for example the Palo Alto PD,
and this is just part of the same issue, I think,
and not disclosing things and kind of creating a problem
because of that. The Palo Alto PD does not handle
accident reports like crime reports. They're not public information. So
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they didn't disclose the accident report and they still haven't
to this point, so it's not available. It's not like
he's go down there and you know, like a good
reporter and check the police logs and you would have
found it. It didn't exist, and the only way it
became public was when they submitted the information to a
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state database, which was public. The problem is that they
submitted it incorrectly. They got one of the items wrong,
which was who caused the crash, and that led to
the confusion, like.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
Maybe a day's worth of news.
Speaker 13 (25:31):
Items were saying that this other driver, the twenty one
year old female driver, is the one that's served. Well, no,
that wasn't the case.
Speaker 12 (25:39):
So it just adds another layer.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
Of kind of uncertainty to the whole thing. It makes
people think that there's more going on there than what
there really is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It just feels like if the niners come out and
say he's in an accident, then okay, we'll wait for
any details that come out after that.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But when everybody's holding this information or those who had
it held it, and then you get the green light,
and then everybody's got a tweet and then you have
a story, and I go, they're just they're adding to
the suspicion surrounding this. That's what I This to me,
was preventable.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
Matt, Well, you're speaking to the choir on that, of course.
I mean, I can only think.
Speaker 13 (26:27):
That they were waiting to see, you know, what would
happen with Kyle Shanahan. This happened eleven days before the
start of training camp and before he needed to be
in front of the media, in front of the team,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 12 (26:43):
So I think that they thought that there.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
Was a possibility he would have been back and full
by that point. I mean, if he had been back,
there's no way, you know, if he's up there at
the podium with his.
Speaker 12 (26:55):
Hat pulled down low like he.
Speaker 13 (26:57):
Normally wears it, at that point, I don't think anyone
could have could tell that he'd been in an accident.
It's it's the concussion that's really been the the lingering issue,
and you just never know when, uh, that's gonna heal
back to normal. But I agree with you one hundred percent.
(27:18):
If if they had just put it out immediately, and if.
Speaker 12 (27:22):
The Palo Alto PD had just said, Okay, here's the accident.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Report and and here's all the information, and all of
that confusion and all of the distrust, you know, towards
the team toward court reporters.
Speaker 12 (27:35):
I'm getting a lot of.
Speaker 13 (27:36):
The the back blow from it to uh like I'm
I'm somehow in cahoots with how Shanahan and Palo Alto PD.
Speaker 12 (27:45):
I'm not would wouldn't have wouldn't have occurred.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
When Shanahan was made available to reporters with no cameras
any topics, uh not allowed.
Speaker 12 (27:58):
If there were, I mean, they were off the record,
so I can't tell you. But he kind of explained
what his you know, his point of view was, and
this was on the record. I mean, he was very
distressed that this other driver, a.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Twenty one year old female who he was already really
guilty over, you know, putting in harm's way, had initially
been blamed for the crash when it was his fault,
his inattention. So that was the impetus of him calling
reporters in. And then the other part was to explain
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what we just talked about, that it wasn't his intent
to hide it. He said that he you know, called
fourteen I don't know, maybe maybe a dozen close associates, friends, family,
let them know, and he didn't tell them not.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
To put it out there. He thought it would. It
just didn't at.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
That point, and the team hasn't said exactly why it
didn't put it out there. You know, to your point,
it's it's an accident that happens. There was no you know,
criminality involved, No one was cited in the in the
whole thing. He's the only one that got hurt, So
I think that they just they just figured, you know,
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it's it's something that everybody has and we're just going
to kind of let it go.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Ask for the Niners on the field this year, that
seems to be a mystery too, Matt. You're in a
real tough division. How would you handicap what to expect
from the Niners?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Well, with the.
Speaker 13 (29:43):
Forty nine ers that it all boils down to health
every year, and you know, one of the guys that
they're they're counting on, Rickey Pearsall. He was going to
start opposite Mike Evans this year. I think his season
is really up in the air now. He's still dealing
with the PCL issue that bothered him for more than
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half the season last year. They're going to sign Deebo
Samuel and he very likely will kind of slide into
that Z receiver role opposite Mike Evans, which is great.
I mean, there's not going to be any kind of
learning curve there. He's well known inside the locker room,
but he's another guy in his thirties on that offense.
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And you're talking about a team that's dealt with health
issues in recent seasons. Those health issues, Dan, don't go
away when you turn thirty, and I think that's going
to be, you know, if everybody can stay healthy, or
if they can even stay relatively healthy. They showed last
year in going twelve and five that they can be
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a good team, but I think that that is, you know,
is going to determine whether they're keeping pace with the
Ramps and Seahawks from now.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Matt, thank you. Not everybody wanted to talk about this.
I appreciate you. I know you've been covering that team
since two thousand and three, so thank you for joining
us anytime.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Matt Barrows
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, it's a time honored tradition. When things go wrong
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, we call Rick Stroud. He
covers the Buccaneers for the Tampa Bay Times Sports Day
Tampa Bay Podcast. You want to start with Baker or
Vita Vea.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, Dan, I'm feeling a little disrespected. I'm a little
undervalued by you, quite frankly.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I've been on you know, McAfee and Rich Eisen, but
you finally got around to me. But uh, yeah, let's
start with Baker because that seems to be the headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
He kind of went after his ownership a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, help me understand this business strategy with Baker. I mean, this,
you know, fits with his personality, but I don't know
what kind of number he's looking for and if ownership
is going to acquiesce to this.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, well, I think he was looking you know, as
much as the number obviously that was they would have
begun with a five I think is in fifty something million,
But the years is what really was disappointing to him
as much as anything, and they felt like they came down.
I'm sure that they probably started a four years and
we're talking about guaranteed money, right, because that's really all
that matters, you know. I think they felt like they
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moved to three and the Glaziers were insisting on two.
And if you feel or you're being told you're a
franchise quarterback, I think most guys would expect more than
two years. And to be honest with you, Dan, I
mean this franchise. The thirty million dollars or thirty three
million that Baker has averaged the last three years, that's
the most money they've ever paid a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
They never paid quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And you go back to Doug Williams before the Glaziers,
Steve Young, Vinny Testaverdi, Trent Doper, Jameis Winston. Those guys
never made second contracts. So I think the valuation of
the position is kind of shocking to the Glaziers a
little bit. They say they love Baker, and I believe
they do, but you know, it just it wasn't gonna
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happen for him for two years. He just didn't think
that that was something that he felt he had earned
more than that after the last three years that he's
put in here.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Okay, so what happens, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Think you know they can say that it's not going
to be an effect on his team.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You know, Baker is best when he's backed into a corner.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
We all know that walk on to Texas Tech, walk
on in Oklahoma, win the Heisman, all that kind of stuff.
But I think you have to kind of look and say, Okay,
what happened in the offseason. Mike Evans decides to go
to San Francisco. They offered him more money to stay,
he didn't stay for whatever reason. And then you have
Vitavea saying he wants to be traded, not a new contract,
(02:35):
I want out of here. And then fortunately for him,
he got the oh I gotta tweaked back situation so
I don't get fined fifty.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Thousand dollars a day. And then now you have Bakers.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
So you know, when guys in that locker room see
they're not taking care of Baker, they're not taking care
of Vita, I gotta believe that that they have talks,
and it's probably not a good vibe, but you know
that Baker's gonna go out there and play with his
hair on fire, and that's really all that matters. At
the end end of the day is just how hard
he goes and hopefully he'll be healthy.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's another thing. He's the only one.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Of three guys Dan that started all three years every game,
but he's played, but he's not played well at times
because of the injuries that he's had.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So how does this go bad?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
It goes bad if if Baker gets hurt, it goes
really bad for Baker. He's no security after this year.
It goes bad if they get to the end of
the year and you know, Baker, if he has a
good year, Uh, they can franchise tag him. I know
there's a lot of dead money, but they you know,
the cap is is you know, hocus pocus stuff. Anyway,
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they'll move money around, so they'll try to lock him up.
But I mean, I could see Baker getting to the
end of the year if he had a great year
and saying I don't want to be franchised. You guys
had your chance before the season. You know this, this
is kind of what he's been mister, you know, shoulder chips.
So I don't, I don't, I don't really know. But
but they have a chance to win this division and
(04:00):
it's gotten a little better. They're still I think the
best team in the division, and winning kind of cures everything.
I mean, it's not impossible that you know, they've done
this with other players, including Mike Evans when you get
through the season. Mike Evans didn't want to talk about
a contract he was in his last year, but right
before free agency they gave him, you know, two years,
fifty two million dollars and everybody was happy.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So there'll be time.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Franchise tag hold places for guys to get longer term deals.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So we'll see how it goes. It all depends on
how he plays well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And that's different to Viteveos saying it. I don't want
to hear about a contract. I want out what's the
likelihood that he'll be traded.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I think it's probably very slim to none.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
They need him in their defense.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
They I've talked to Todd Bowles last year and he said,
that's the one guy I have. No one I can
replace him with. You know, he occupies two guys on
every play. But when you're thirty one years old and
you're way upwards of three hundred and fifty five pounds,
probably no one's actually gotten on a scale next to him,
so I don't know what he weighs, but you know,
that's that's a tough thing. But he's making seventeen million.
(05:07):
I think they could just juice up this year, give him,
you know, get him into the twenties for this season,
let him become a free agent after this season. And
if they do that, he'd be in the top ten,
which is where he belongs as far as pay goes.
And maybe everybody's happy, but he is here. He has
that back tweak, he hasn't walked out of camp, he's
not being fine, So those are all good signs that
(05:29):
maybe they can work something out.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Always great to talk to you, Rick, Thanks, thank you,
Thanks good saying Jeh.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
That's Rick Stroud.
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Speaker 2 (06:50):
Earth Wind and Fire no better R and B band
than earth Wind and Fire. Right, I think that's a consensus, correct?
Speaker 8 (06:57):
I think so?
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah? Yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 9 (07:00):
I would like to throw sly in the family stone
into the cottage.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
You would get no argument from me with slying the
family stone.
Speaker 10 (07:06):
Yes, yeah, Paul, cool in the gang upper echelon, though
not equal to but in that neck of the wood.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, Earth went in fire and Slide. They probably stand alone.
Cool in the gang was cool, but uh okay, Yeah,
they'd probably be a B band maybe B plus.
Speaker 8 (07:27):
Yes, Mar and a lot of people would differentiate. There
was the instrumental cool in the gang, and then they
got into the celebration to how they got to the
real big pop hits. So there's two different cools in
the gang.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Cool in the gangs, yes, Paul.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
Modern era boys to Men strong representation.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
Yeah, they're the Sami Sosa of R and B. They
had a three year run that who was unbelievable?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Wait were they cheating?
Speaker 9 (07:54):
No?
Speaker 8 (07:54):
No, no, I just mean three sixty Okay, they had
three sixty home run seasons.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Boys to make.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Okay, Jeff Passon walking into this topic, ESPN Senior Baseball Insider,
you have anything you want to offer up on this topic.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
I was born on the twenty first of September, so
I love that song and I was wondering if that
was intentional, someone was doing like a little Sly nod there.
And by the way, Sly and the family Stone probably
deserves some sort of mention in here as well.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yes, yeah, I agree they that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I still look back of what they were doing when
they were doing it, and Sly was pretty unique. Without Sly,
I don't think you have prints. I think his impact
was even Rick James, Sly and the family Stone probably
had a large influence on them. Okay, we're here to
talk baseball. By the way, are the Mets selling? Are
(08:54):
they a seller at the deadline? What are they doing? Oh?
Speaker 9 (08:58):
Yeah, they're selling. Just how much they sell?
Speaker 10 (09:01):
I'm not quite sure, but I anticipate Freddy Pearlton is
going to go. Could be pretty soon, Luke Weaver, I
think at this point the market is strong enough where
even though he's under contract for next season, there are
so few relievers dan of potentially great impact like eighth
and maybe even ninth inning guys on the market right
(09:21):
now that I think the Mets are going to catch
that one in Clay Holmes's market is great at this point.
I was talking with the team last night. That's like,
you know, we're interested in him. But what they're projecting
that they're going to get is a little too rich
for our blood. So in this season of absolute doom
from the New York Mets, the possibility of at least
(09:44):
a little bit of salvaging going on at the trade
deadline here, it makes makes the pain a little less
bad than it's been. But really, what a disappointing season
for them? I mean, what a what a does that?
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Every year?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Speaking of relievers, we brunt this up last week or
the week before.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Is the role as Chapman going to be a Hall
of Famer?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (10:08):
Yeah, absolutely. I don't think there's any question at this point.
The saves the strikeouts once. Once the door was cracked
for modern relievers to go in, I think Chapman will
be in there. The questions to me, like Craig Kimbrel,
Kennley Jansen, did they make the cut as well?
Speaker 9 (10:28):
By the numbers, Dan, they sure do well?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Like it.
Speaker 10 (10:31):
It's those three this generation, And I think once you know,
once beyond, like the Gossages and the Mariano Rivera's, once
you started to get into that next tier of closers,
it just opened the door for guys like Chapman and
Jansen and Kimbrol.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
This steroid era.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Because of that, it feels like we're getting Hall of
Fame classes that make like Jeff Kent, Beltron, Andrew Jones.
They're really good players, and I know that they're all
in the same building, They're not all the same Hall
of Famers. But has the steroid era changed the voting
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or what the requirement? You know, five hundred home runs,
three thousand hits. I don't know if we're going to
get you know, some of these numbers making it tougher,
you know, and his Andrew Jones. A Hall of Famer
is Carlos Beltron and the you know, part of the
cheating scandal, part of you know this, Jeff Kent, he
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played second base and hit a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Of home runs. Are these Are these all? Hey? Hall
of Famers? No doubt.
Speaker 10 (11:40):
I don't vote for the Hall of Fame anymore, Dan,
I don't know if I would have voted for any
of them. Okay, if I did, and when I did
vote for the Hall of Fame, I was a small
hall guy.
Speaker 9 (11:50):
But I also think that this is less to do.
Speaker 10 (11:53):
With the steroid era and more to do with the
knowledge that we have because of analytics and the way
that we can look at the numbers, compare them, understand
maybe beyond those surface numbers, what the death of a
player's true contributions actually were. And I think the reason
that Jones and Beltron got in is because they're center fielders.
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It's a positional thing, and centerfield is so valuable defensively.
And Andrew Jones was so incredible defensively, and Beltron was
right up there with him among the more elite defensive
center fielders.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
Of his generation.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
And so because of that, I think are our ability
to contextualize numbers better than we have in the past
that has carved a path for these guys who aren't
Inner circle Hall of Famers but who were excellent players
to make the threshold. And part of it, too, is
that they're being compared with the low end of Hall
of famers. And it's like, I'm not going to call
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it a sin, but the sins of our past come
back to haunt us. You let in somebody who's down
here as compared to up there, everybody who's down here
is going to be compared to them, And you know,
they're arguments that can be made that are compelling for
just about anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Talking to Jeff Patinson from the Mothership, I forget who
we had on who said that Shoheo Tani is already
the greatest baseball player of all time. I think CC
Sabathia said that he's already the greatest baseball.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Player of all time. What do you think of that statement.
Speaker 10 (13:21):
I think it depends how you define greatest baseball player
of all time. I would say Choho Tani is unquestionably
the most talented baseball player of all time. But for me,
greatness is a combination of talent and longevity, and I
think holding that longevity standard when we're talking about the
best ever is an important thing. I understand that longevity
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is not something that you can ever predict with someone.
You don't know how a guy's body is going to
hold up. You don't know if he's going to be
able to play twenty years. But the standard that's been
set for greatness in the past is a combination of
doing it for.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
A really long time at a really level.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
And Otani has done it for upward of a decade now,
and that decade has been about as good as you
can get. And that's with all of the injuries that's
with multiple elbow surgeries.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
That's with the back and forth.
Speaker 10 (14:13):
That's with spending six years in the purgatory of Anaheim
and playing for a Los Angeles Angels team that never surrounded.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
You with a whole lot.
Speaker 10 (14:21):
And so Otani's first decade has been incredible.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
But is he the best ever? No, he's the most
talented ever.
Speaker 10 (14:28):
He can be the best ever if he continues to
do this for another decade.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But if Babe Ruth knew about show Hey Otani, he
never would have stopped pitching.
Speaker 9 (14:39):
You know what, I actually think that is in astute point.
Speaker 10 (14:43):
But I don't know what kind of I don't know
if like Babe Ruth was a bastard competitor either. Like
a lot of that comes down, I think to what
your motivations are, and shohe Atani's motivation is to do
the things that people tell him he can't do. Be
a two way player. We don't have those in baseball.
(15:03):
Well now we do. You want to be a great
all around offensive player. You can't steal bases? Okay, well
here's fifty one for you to go, or fifty nine
to go along with fifty one home un There are
just so many things that Shoheo Tani has done throughout
the course of his career that nobody imagined he would
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ever be able to do. That to me is the
reason CEC says what he says, and I don't begrudge
him for it at all. Dan, I think, if you're
a player, the way you look at it is this
guy is doing things on a field that I could
never have conceived of. Somebody who's that much of an outlier,
that different than all the rest of us by the
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nature of his skills, he must be the best.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I guess it's not a question of if, but when
or where Trek Skubel is traded at where how many
bidders are involved in this?
Speaker 10 (16:02):
I think you see the Tampa Bay Rays, the Milwaukee Brewers,
the Los Angeles Dodgers, the Atlanta Braves, and the Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
Is the main five right now include the Yankees sneak in.
Could the Phillies potentially do it?
Speaker 10 (16:17):
I suppose, But I think at the end of the day,
the likeliest three right now are probably Milwaukee, Los Angeles
in Atlanta. And what it's going to come down to, Dan,
is the team's appetites to give up their tippy top prospects.
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Now, I don't think Casu's made.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Who's the number one prospect in all of baseball shortstop
in the Brewers organization. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Would the Dodgers include Joe Suaye de Paula their top prospects,
an outfielder who looks like Jordon Albarez and is produced
like him in the minor leagues. Would the Rays include
Theo Gillen their number one prospect, ten guy and the
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whole sports centerfield or young, dynamic athletic everything's good about him.
Would any of these teams do these high level players
for what is a rental? And that, to me is
why I thought from the beginning that the Dodgers have
the advantage over all these other teams.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Dan.
Speaker 10 (17:18):
The lifeblood of the Tampa Bay Rays and the Milwaukee
Brewers is drafting, signing, and developing young players and watching
them blossom under six years of club control in the
big leagues. The Dodgers do it just as well as them,
and also spend four times as much as both of them,
So the Dodgers don't need these prospects quite like the
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Brewers than the Rays do, and so the incentive is
just there for them to say, Hey, if all it
takes is prospect costs, in the same way, we're going
to approach this that we do free agents. If all
this takes his money and we have more than everyone else, well,
if all this takes his prospects and we have as
much as everyone else without the penalty for going and
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spending it, why wouldn't we.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, I understand that. It's like the la Rams said,
f draft picks. You know, we don't need draft picks
because you know, we can go out and sign somebody
or trade for somebody. And the Dodgers can have that philosophy.
You know, the Yankees had great farm prospects, but when
they got up to the majors, they were able to
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keep them. That was the difference. The Yankees did something
that nobody else was able to do. They kept everybody.
The Dodgers approach has been different than can anybody else
replicate what the Dodgers are doing with their business philosophy?
Speaker 10 (18:43):
The Mets, the Yankees, the Cubs, the Red Sox, that's
pretty much it. Maybe the Blue Jays just because they
have a whole country and they have a very, very
wealthy ownership. But what's different about the Dodgers, Dan, is
that they've got the Otani force multiplier, where you know,
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if you have Shoheo Tani on your team and a
halfway competent group of business executives, that your floor revenue
wise is going to be pretty much where everyone else's
ceiling is. And the Dodgers have leveraged Jotani to enormous returns,
the first baseball team to go over a billion dollars
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a year in revenue, and they're on track to replicate
that this year, and so Dodge margin. He is the
greatest bargain in the history of baseball, the seven hundred
million dollar player who has made more money for his
team than anyone else.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
And even Dan, even at.
Speaker 10 (19:49):
A straight seven hundred million, he would be a bargain,
but seven hundred million brought down because of deferrals to
about four hundred and fifty or so million. Yeah, it's
it's the in terms of a player maximizing his value,
Shoho Tani's contract is the worst contract in baseball right
now for a player.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
And I don't.
Speaker 10 (20:09):
Begrudge him for signing this seven hundred million dollar deal,
but he's a billion dollar player.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
He is that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And showhy might not win the MVP this year based
off not being able to pitch. If you know this
tender knee Pete Crow Armstrong keeps creeping.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Up odds wise.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh yeah, so there there is an opening for somebody
to steal the nationally gu MVP.
Speaker 10 (20:34):
It's it's amazing what Petekrah Armstrong's done this year. We
knew what his floor was he was going to be
based on his position in center field, his speed, the
defense that he plays. He's a two to three win
player without swinging the bat every year. But the fact
(20:55):
that he has walked almost twelve percent of the time
this year, that he's brought down strikeouts as well, that
he's his on base percentage, which was hovering around three
hundred last year, is more like three to eighty this year.
He has become the type of player that the Chicago
Cubs frankly were dreaming he could be when I got
(21:16):
him at the trade deadline for hobbyer Bias a half
decade ago.
Speaker 11 (21:20):
And that's why, remember that's why this time of year,
Dan matters, because the superstars of today quite often come
from the deals of the deadline.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Don Mattingley and Bryce Harper. Are they going to be
able to coexist in Philly?
Speaker 9 (21:36):
I think it's more Bryce Harper and Dave don Browski.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
You know, Don Don Mattingley coming out and saying what
he did was surprised, Like a lot of people in
the industry were surprised at that.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
If you just let that go.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
Or if you're asked about it, you're Don Mattingley, can't
you just say Bryce is just like the rest of us.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
He wants to win. Now, I'm serious, Dan, It's squashed
right there like that.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
They actively turn that into a multi day thing that
we are now talking about on the Dan Patrick Show.
And it very easily could have just been either ignored
or casually comically eye rolled away. But no, they made
something out of this. And here's the thing. Bryce Harper
was right. The Phillies do need to add. They need
(22:26):
to add in multiple areas. They need a leverage reliever,
they need a fifth starter, they need an outfield bad
they need maybe another bat as well on top of that.
So I think everything he was saying right, it was true.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Great to talk to you is always have fun this
weekend and certainly on Monday.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
I appreciate you not asking about Trek Schoobel. This is
the only time that will happen. And yes, I do
think school is getting traded, and yes, of course Dodgers
are the favorites.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
Matt Barrows, he covers the forty nine ers for the
Athletic He's been covering the team since two thousand and three. Matt,
thanks for joining us on short notice. How would you
describe the last two weeks around this team?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Hectic?
Speaker 12 (23:22):
That would be the way I would start.
Speaker 13 (23:24):
It seems like there's a big news item every moment here,
including last night with Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 12 (23:32):
The big one, and I'm sure you want to ask
me about.
Speaker 13 (23:34):
It, is the Kyle Shanahan accident crash, and that's obviously
still looming over the team right now.
Speaker 12 (23:42):
I don't think he's going to be back.
Speaker 13 (23:43):
At practice today in full and we really don't know
exactly when he's going to kind.
Speaker 12 (23:50):
Of resume his everyday duties.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Okay, it just feels like we keep adding to the
mystery of this white Isn't this just a cut and
dried story that coach gets injured car accident, non life
threatening injuries, will let you know when he's going to
be back at practice. Couldn't it just exist like that
from the beginning?
Speaker 13 (24:14):
Yeah, it should have if the team had kind of
disclosed it on what was it, July fourteen when it happened.
Speaker 12 (24:21):
But I think when you don't do that, and there
were some things out of.
Speaker 13 (24:27):
Their control that happened, for example the Palo Alto PD,
and this is just part of the same issue, I think,
and not disclosing things and kind of creating a problem
because of that. The Palo Alto PD does not handle
accident reports like crime reports. They're not public information. So
(24:51):
they didn't disclose the accident report and they still haven't
to this point, so it's not available. It's not like
he's go down there and you know, like a good
reporter and check the police logs and you would have
found it. It didn't exist, and the only way it
became public was when they submitted the information to a
(25:14):
state database, which was public. The problem is that they
submitted it incorrectly. They got one of the items wrong,
which was who caused the crash, and that led to
the confusion, like.
Speaker 12 (25:28):
Maybe a day's worth of news.
Speaker 13 (25:31):
Items were saying that this other driver, the twenty one
year old female driver, is the one that's served. Well, no,
that wasn't the case.
Speaker 12 (25:39):
So it just adds another layer.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
Of kind of uncertainty to the whole thing. It makes
people think that there's more going on there than what
there really is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It just feels like if the niners come out and
say he's in an accident, then okay, we'll wait for
any details that come out after that.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But when everybody's holding this information or those who had
it held it, and then you get the green light,
and then everybody's got a tweet and then you have
a story, and I go, they're just they're adding to
the suspicion surrounding this. That's what I This to me,
was preventable.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
Matt, Well, you're speaking to the choir on that, of course.
I mean, I can only think.
Speaker 13 (26:27):
That they were waiting to see, you know, what would
happen with Kyle Shanahan. This happened eleven days before the
start of training camp and before he needed to be
in front of the media, in front of the team,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 12 (26:43):
So I think that they thought that there.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
Was a possibility he would have been back and full
by that point. I mean, if he had been back,
there's no way, you know, if he's up there at
the podium with his.
Speaker 12 (26:55):
Hat pulled down low like he.
Speaker 13 (26:57):
Normally wears it, at that point, I don't think anyone
could have could tell that he'd been in an accident.
It's it's the concussion that's really been the the lingering issue,
and you just never know when, uh, that's gonna heal
back to normal. But I agree with you one hundred percent.
(27:18):
If if they had just put it out immediately, and if.
Speaker 12 (27:22):
The Palo Alto PD had just said, Okay, here's the accident.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Report and and here's all the information, and all of
that confusion and all of the distrust, you know, towards
the team toward court reporters.
Speaker 12 (27:35):
I'm getting a lot of.
Speaker 13 (27:36):
The the back blow from it to uh like I'm
I'm somehow in cahoots with how Shanahan and Palo Alto PD.
Speaker 12 (27:45):
I'm not would wouldn't have wouldn't have occurred.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
When Shanahan was made available to reporters with no cameras
any topics, uh not allowed.
Speaker 12 (27:58):
If there were, I mean, they were off the record,
so I can't tell you. But he kind of explained
what his you know, his point of view was, and
this was on the record. I mean, he was very
distressed that this other driver, a.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Twenty one year old female who he was already really
guilty over, you know, putting in harm's way, had initially
been blamed for the crash when it was his fault,
his inattention. So that was the impetus of him calling
reporters in. And then the other part was to explain
(28:37):
what we just talked about, that it wasn't his intent
to hide it. He said that he you know, called
fourteen I don't know, maybe maybe a dozen close associates, friends, family,
let them know, and he didn't tell them not.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
To put it out there. He thought it would. It
just didn't at.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
That point, and the team hasn't said exactly why it
didn't put it out there. You know, to your point,
it's it's an accident that happens. There was no you know,
criminality involved, No one was cited in the in the
whole thing. He's the only one that got hurt, So
I think that they just they just figured, you know,
(29:23):
it's it's something that everybody has and we're just going
to kind of let it go.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Ask for the Niners on the field this year, that
seems to be a mystery too, Matt. You're in a
real tough division. How would you handicap what to expect
from the Niners?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Well, with the.
Speaker 13 (29:43):
Forty nine ers that it all boils down to health
every year, and you know, one of the guys that
they're they're counting on, Rickey Pearsall. He was going to
start opposite Mike Evans this year. I think his season
is really up in the air now. He's still dealing
with the PCL issue that bothered him for more than
(30:06):
half the season last year. They're going to sign Deebo
Samuel and he very likely will kind of slide into
that Z receiver role opposite Mike Evans, which is great.
I mean, there's not going to be any kind of
learning curve there. He's well known inside the locker room,
but he's another guy in his thirties on that offense.
(30:29):
And you're talking about a team that's dealt with health
issues in recent seasons. Those health issues, Dan, don't go
away when you turn thirty, and I think that's going
to be, you know, if everybody can stay healthy, or
if they can even stay relatively healthy. They showed last
year in going twelve and five that they can be
(30:51):
a good team, but I think that that is, you know,
is going to determine whether they're keeping pace with the
Ramps and Seahawks from now.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Matt, thank you. Not everybody wanted to talk about this.
I appreciate you. I know you've been covering that team
since two thousand and three, so thank you for joining
us anytime.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
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