August 5, 2026 • 35 mins
DP and the Danettes discuss the latest news around the NFL. Former bookie for Ippei Mizuhara, Matt Bowyer discusses his relationship with Mizuhara and shares stories about the realities of the illegal sports betting world. Dan gives his personal experience with gambling and provides some cautionary words about getting in too deep.
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on Plus and pro plans whole question, play the day,
stat of the day, all of that forthcoming. Tarek Scuble
made his debut as a Dodger at Wrigley. Wasn't a
bat outing, but took the loss. You know, the bigger
(01:28):
issue here is the Dodgers have been losing a little
more frequently than you've come to expect. There you've got
a couple of teams front offices who are pushing back
on the narrative that nobody wanted to go and offer
up more than the Dodgers did to the Tigers. The
Braves have talked about this, The Brewers have talked about this.
The Tigers their sensitive because people didn't think they got
(01:51):
their money's worth for Cherik Scuble. But it doesn't matter.
I've said it, I still believe it. You got to
get to a point where you say, is this the
year we're all in? And even if you rent trek'
scouable for two months, he's still going to pitch well
for you. You're gonna have to go through the Dodgers
if you're the Brewers or the Braves. So why not
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add and then subtract from the Dodgers all right, poll question,
what are we gonna go with first hour dealing?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Should the Dodgers be worried after Trek Scuble gives up
two earned runs and six innings in his debut? Obviously not?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Or yes? Send him back to Detroit. Oh wow, well,
by the way, give me the pizza mint Wednesday menu.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
We have dan a Cajun gumbo pizza.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh yeah, our sous chef, Billy Tips, was in New Orleans,
so he was feeling all inspired and I was like,
that sounds great, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh so he brought a recipe back hopefully that's all
he brought back from New Orleans down there for a
bachelor party. What else do you have?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Hot honey, pepperoni and bacon pizza? And then Todd's favorite,
a classic cheese pizza.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is that just gonna be a staple that's on the
Wednesday menu?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'm here on out. Okay, who is it better than
we do?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That didn't sound good at all? Okay, no body, wait,
are you bombed down? The first two sons? Amazing?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
When you go to the one yard line to.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Kick a field goal?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yes, Paul, I do got a question for you. I
saw some headlines this morning about Schoobl's game last night
versus the Cubs, like you said, six innings and gave
up a couple of runs but only a four hitter.
I saw stellar outing by schoobl in his debut, and
then I saw another headline Schoobol struggles in his debut.
It can't be both. We need like a middle of
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the ground phrase for what he did last night because
he had a nice game.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But yeah, well, headline riders at different places are asked
to do different things. You want to play nice. You
want to have something that get your attention. You know,
whenever you hear somebody, when somebody says something funny, you know,
somebody they oh, it's brilliant, hilarious, you know. So they
have these words that they use in the headlines, and
(04:13):
not always hilarious. Sometimes it's just chuckle funny. Eight seven
seven three DP show. We'll settle on a poll question,
get to your phone calls. We'll hear from Josh Allen
a little bit later on Ben Roethlisberger as well, and
he took the bets from Shohu Tani's interpreter we'll talk
to the bookmaker gambler, Matt Boyer. He will join us
(04:37):
coming up in the final hour of the program. Hall
of Fame Game tomorrow, And in case you're inclined, it's
a one and a half point spread. The Panthers favored
by one and a half over the Cardinals. Are the
Cardinals favored in any game? They're not even favored in
the Hall of Fame game. I don't think the Cardinals
(04:58):
are favored in any game. Are the Race Raiders might
be favored in a one game? Can we find out
the fewest as far as games for teams to be
favored in? I'm sure there's a list with that. Yeah,
po I do have.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Some Week one lines and the Cardinals are at the
Chargers and the Cardinals are getting eleven and a half
in Week one.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I want to find out if they're a favorite.
I know they're going to be an underdog, but Dylan,
if you can find that out, maybe, uh DraftKings has that.
But the least number of games that team is a
favorite Dolphins, Dolphins, probably not too many games there. Browns
would probably have a couple of them as well. Yes,
to see saying the whole.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Fame Game will probably not be an NFC title game preview.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's what it sounds like. You're saying, thank you, Tod.
I was looking at the cost. The college football Coaches
Poll came out. How much does it cost to be
in the top ten? If you spend forty eight million dollars,
you would be ranked in the coaches poll. That's Texas, Miami,
Florida forty four million. They're seventh in the coaches poll.
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Ohio State is third in the Coaches poll. Their payroll
is just under forty four million. LSU is fourth on
the list at forty two point eight. They're thirteenth in
the Coaches poll. Oregon they're fifth on the spending list
at just under forty three million. Their second in the
coaches poll. Fifth in the Coaches poll is Notre Dame.
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They spend over forty million dollars on their roster. A
and M eighth in the Coaches Poll. They're spending almost
thirty nine million. Alabama is eleventh in the Coaches Poll.
They're only spending thirty seven point two million dollars. This
is the first time Alabama has been ranked outside the
top ten in a preseason Coaches poll since two thousand
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and eight, Tennessee is ninth in spending at thirty six
point seven they're eighteenth in the coaches poll. Texas Tech
still spending, they're tenth at thirty six point three million,
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twelfth in the Coach's Poll. It's going to continue to
go up. But you have to look at return on
investment here. How much do you spend, How much are
you're getting back. If it's true that Notre Dame made
over one hundred million dollars last year, then yes, it's
worth it to spend that kind of money. Make sure
you keep your coach. But not everybody's Notre Dame. Not
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everybody's independent, not everybody's got their own TV deal. But
Texas spending almost forty eight million dollars and they rank
fourth in the country with the coaches Poll. I don't
put any validity to the Coach's poll because a little
secret here. The people who watch the least amount of
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college football in America are head coaches of college football
teams because they don't care about BYU playing Oregon State.
They only care about their team and their next opponent.
That's it. So normally you'd have the sports information director
at a school he would be doing or she would
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be doing the honors of voting in the coaches Poll,
because these coaches aren't watching college football, at least they
shouldn't be. We watch more college football because we watch
more of a wide variety of games and have a
better indication sometimes of how good a team is or isn't.
The only time a coach will come across somebody and
(08:38):
have an opinion is when they're playing them or they
just played them. But the Coaches Poll is out. I
was right about the Heisman Trophy odds. According to DraftKings C. J.
Cart Notre Dame is your favorite, slight favorite, then it's
Arch Manning, Dante Moore, Julian Sayin, Darien Mensa, Trinidad Shambliss,
(08:59):
Josh Who, and Jeremiah Smith, the wide receiver at Ohio State.
All right, let's see anything else needs to be mentioned here.
I mentioned that we have Josh Allen. He talks about
some of the tough losses that he's had in the playoffs,
and then Ben Roethlisberger is critical of Mike McCarthy because
Mike McCarthy wants Aaron Rodgers to play in the preseason,
(09:22):
and Ben said, no, why don't you use this opportunity
to give some of the younger kids Howard and Owler
a chance to play in Yes, it's preseason instead of
Aaron Rodgers knows Mike McCarthy's offense. Aaron Rodgers was there
last year. He spent some time with the wide receivers.
So let the younger kids play. So we'll hear from
(09:43):
Ben Roethlisberger coming up.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, Paul, you're Arizona Cardinals. Dan, you asked if they're
underdogs in every game. It's confirmed they are underdogs in
every game. As of now this season they are td
or more underdogs in their first eleven games.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well, how about a round of play Cardinal?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah? Yeah, arch Manning Cardinals around the clock and with
the number one pick they take. What Marvin, you don't
think arch Manning will go to Arizona? Uh, he's about
to pull a Eli.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
You think you think arch You think Archie paying and
Eli gonna let their boy go Arizona.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Jeremiah Love, Marvin Harrison, Trey McBride, got some weapons, get
to play half your games indoors, get to live in Arizona.
But you got to play for the Cardinals and you
have to play in the NFC West. Other than that, Yeah, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
This really is sort of a heavyweight bout we got
for the Hall of Fame game because the Panthers haven't
won a game regular postseason that they've been favored in
since September of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Mmmm. That sounded like stat of the day there, well, stell.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Of the day, stanlea day a day, Stana to day.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
This is the stule of the day.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Cheap span, Melissa Ethridge. There, Carson Beck versus Kenny Pickett,
Hall of Fame game, let's go, let's go, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
If this or our college football game three years ago,
it'd be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, I'd be interested in that. Kenny Pickett. Carson Beck.
Feels like Carson Beck is gonna get an opportunity to
start some games this year, or at least he should
get some opportunities to start some games there because Jacoby
Brissett just a placeholder. He's been that band aid quarter
Has he been a band aid quarterback pretty much his
(11:47):
entire career? Or at what point did he become that
he's the quarterback before you get to your next quarterback?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, Paul, Jacoby Brissett is on his sixth team. He's
only started. He started fifteen games for Indianapolis in twenty nineteen.
He started eleven games for Cleveland in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Okay, yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
The Fanthers have sort of turned into like the halfway
house for quarterbacks, you know, Baker, Sam Darnold. That's sort
of where you go and then rehabilitate your career and
then you move on somewhere else and then you actually
flourish a little bit. So can you Pickett X stop?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Could be?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Could be good?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So you're saying there's a chance, yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's like being the offensive coordinator and Nick Saban. You
rehab your career. Zay Flowers got paid. We'll talk about that.
Thirty five million for Zay Flowers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Now. He had eighty six catches over twelve hundred yards
and six touchdowns last year. I know you want to
continue to have weapons for Lamar Jackson. You have Derrick Henry,
but you know you've had good tight ends, but they
don't There's not a long list of great Ravens wide
receivers when you think about it. Hollywood Brown was in there,
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and Kwon Bolden was a Kwon Bolden a Pro Bowl player.
He was a really good player. But I'm trying to
think of like Rashad Bateman, I thought was going to
be a star and we're still waiting for that. Jay
Flowers came out of BC and uh, I think he's
surprised a lot of people. But that's a lot of
(13:24):
money for Zay Flowers.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, Paul, we're double checking this, but I have Zay
Flowers as the only wide receiver in Raven's history to
make the Pro Bowl. It's not that not that hard
these days checking.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh oh, well you maybe that's why they're going to
spend thirty five million on him. But it's all about
timing at these positions that when you're up, what can
you capitalize on? In Jay Flowers, it's his turn, his time, Yeah, Dylan, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Think Derek Mason was a Pro bowler, but not with
the Ravens. But I also think, like zayfire has won
back to back Pro Bowls, but doesn't it feel like
a Pro Bowl that he won in two thousand and
five carries a little more weight than twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Derek Mason was all Pro with the Titans, though,
I think right, yeah, yeah, not the Ravens, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
And Kwan Bolden with a four time Pro Bowler before
he went to Baltimore and then ceased going to the
Pro Bowl for three years.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well it was he with the Cardinals. Yeah, the Jets.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I got to see with six years, seven years with
the Cardinals and three Pro Bowls there, three nice years
of Baltimore, then a San Francisco and Detroit.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Okay, maybe it was a game against the Jets where
he got hit. It was one of the most violent
plays and I'm like, I it's not a question does
he get up, does he live? But I think it
was in the end zone. I thought it was against
the Jets, and I remember and Kwan Bolden took a hit. Yeah, Paul, Yeah,
you're right.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
That was September of eight and Kwon Bolden got knocked
out in the end zone. Safety Eric Smith of the
Cardinals all Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, wait, and Kwon Bolden.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Who's with Jet Safety Eric Smith and An Kun was
at the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Correct, Yeah, that's what I thought. All Right, We'll get
the phone calls coming up here from Ben Roethlisberger, Josh
Allen as well, and a little later on the former
bookie for show, Heyo Tani's interpreter. He will join us
trying to explain exactly what happened and does he think
to this day show, Hey Tani was somehow involved. Well,
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He is the two time Amazon best selling author speak speaker.
He was the bookmaker at the center of the show
Heyo Tani Epei Misuhara sports betting scandal. Matt Boyer was
sentenced to one year in a day, pleading guilty for
money laundering, falsified tax returns, illegal bookmaking. I talked to
(16:37):
him after yesterday's show, and I started out by asking him,
when is the first time you took a bet from show?
Heyo Tani's interpreter.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I believe it's twenty twenty one, at the end of
the the end of the season of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
How were you introduced?
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I actually met him at a poker game after I
was introduced them by going to a private booker game
with some of the Angels players and coaches and friends
at a local hilton in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
When did you realize that he worked for show Hair?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
I mean I knew right away, of course, I mean
who didn't right He was such a popular character, probably
the most popular interpreter in the world thanks to show.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Hey of course.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
At what's your role as a bookie of keeping somebody betting?
But also is there a sympathetic side to being a
bookie when you realize somebody is in a lot of trouble?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, that's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
As a legal book maker, you're giving out credit, and
it's a tough way of trying to make a living
but also not being greedy and egotistical and then trying
to maintain giving someone in a relationship to where you're
not hurting their family or their.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Situation with their bills or it's a very fine line.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
The more you get to know the person and more
you stand them and what they do for a living,
then the more you can help them. If they are
having a gambling problem, which you know, I personally had
one as well, so I understand.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That dynamic better than anyone.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
But you're right, it's a it's a hard line to
figure out, and sometimes they're oftentimes they're lying to you
because they're gambling with you and they want to give
you them an impression that it's not affecting them, you know,
at home or financially, because they want to continue to
bet with you or get credit or ask you for
more credit.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
So those are the situations that come up. They're hard
to I'm going to.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
Say, run and figure out, because when you are dealing
with these people, you know, at least in my case,
you have a heart. I mean, the last thing you
want to see is if someone just losing more money
than they can afford.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, but at what point are you allowed or do
you ask that's a lot of money you're betting to show,
Hey know, you're betting this.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Truth be told. When EPA came to me, it was
a tiny account. It was one thousand and eight thousand
dollars credit line, so I, you know, initially I thought
it was no deal, and then that escalated very rapidly
to the point of about thirty days later we were
at a half a million to a million dollar credit line.
And then I knew at that point it had to
be either show Hay or him together, or maybe he,
(19:14):
you know, had some funds.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I didn't know about him.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
You really don't know everyone's personal, private lifestyle. Maybe he
was a large investor in something. But then when I
started getting into the point of millions and millions, then
I knew that either show Hay was involved or they
were partners. I wasn't really sure, and I didn't ask
a lot of questions because animinity in my business when
I was running a book making operation was key. I
(19:37):
had a lot of clients in celebrities and athletes CEOs
that were very private, and that's why they liked working
with me because of that privacy. But at the same time,
I was being paid, you know, five hundred thousand dollars
every two weeks, so the greedy sided me of running
a business and making a lot of money. Was just like,
you know, everything's running smoothly. He's not even making any
(19:57):
signs of you know, panicking or even really was laughing
and making fun of himself quite often. If you look
at the text messages that the government throughout, which is
there was quite a few of them, you could see
us joking back and forth about both of us being
degenerates and losing money through bookmakers, slash casinos, etc.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So you didn't know that sho heey Otani knew, not
for a fact, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I mean I didn't have a relationship with show Hey
at that time. He spoke very little English. And I've
been around the team and some players. I used to
play golf with some of the players and gamble with them,
and quite a few of the Angels players were betting
through my organization, but my relationship was with DPE. I
never spoke about anything outside of that to even the players,
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even like, for example, some of the players were betting
with me, I wouldn't discuss their business with the other players.
That being said, I don't think a lot of these
guys knew I'm saying. I'm talking about the angels players
knew the extent of what was going on because the
EPA was very private, didn't have a lot to say,
you know, very very wanted things to be low key.
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I realized now why at the time I thought, personally,
I thought show he was betting with him because the
amount of bets that they were making and clearly the
amount of money that was being wired. I just figured
he had to have known, especially with that long period
of time. You're seeing five hundred thousand OAR wires come
out about to count every two weeks for basically a
year and a half. I just, even to this day,
I still don't understand how show Hey didn't wasn't aware.
(21:32):
I do believe wholeheartedly that he never gambled. I don't
think he was placing any of the bets or involved
in that.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Part at all.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He's Matt Boyer, two time Amazon best selling author and
at the center of the show Hey Utani. If a
Musicalhara sports betting scandal, how many athletes give us a
sense are betting this way that you dealt with that
we're betting through a booking, I asked.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Iimate at least fifty sixty percent.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
It's probably even higher because the reality is everyone's using
third party people and beards and people to bet through.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You know, let's be real competitive.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Athletes are very competitive in everything they do, and sports is.
If you're a sports fan, as you and I both are,
we watch all sports, and whether you gamble or not,
you generally like to have some sort of play in
the game, whether it's fantasy betting, a friend, you know,
you go, I don't know about you.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Do you even golf? Dan?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I golf. I'm a guy who gambled a long, long,
long time ago and cold turkey. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
You so you don't gamble in the golf course? Five bucks,
seven bucks?
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Nothing? Okay, that's rare, right, I mean, if you go
to a golf course, you'll see that most people that golf,
whether they gamble a lot or little, it's usually a.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Dollar, five dollars, twenty dollars whatever.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Most people gamble almost everything they do when it comes
to that, I think athletes are even higher because the
fact they're so competitive and they like to win it
all cost But.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
There's current athletes, Matt, These are current athletes who are
still betting.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Definitely, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How many bookies are there left? In America millions.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I mean they're everywhere literally throughout the country. There's at
least a million bookmakers. Now some of them might don't
have ten or twenty clients, you know, very small. There's
a lot of small operations that are just local bookmakers
at golf courses or whatnot.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
But there's millions.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah. I just didn't know if it was a shrinking
because you have all these other gambling sites where you
can go and do it above board. But a lot
of guys love that, you know, they're not paying taxes
that you know you can do it in a clandestine way.
So what's next for you?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
You know, I'm excited about this journey. I'm rebuilding, as
you know you just said. I have two books that
I produced, one of them I just did right when
I got out of prison. And public speaking and giving
back to people that you know, maybe hopefully NFL teams,
NBA teams, College Apple aletes. I'd like to go to
these schools and you know, universities and give a public
(24:05):
speaking event to where I can help these kids avoid
going down the wrong path. I have the best experience
because I've been on both sides, not always a gambler,
but as a bookmaker and dealing with athletes, and I
understand that it's easy to follow into that trap of
you know, not only betting yourself, but maybe trying to
sway a game, you know, fixing a game to make
a few extra dollars, especially these college athletes. And now
(24:27):
you're singing in with all these pros that are you know,
Terry Rosier and Chauncey Billups and guys that you would
never anticipate getting into trouble because they're wealthy and you
know they're NBA athletes. But it's sad that it's happening.
If I could persuade a kid from doing that, or
a professional athlete, then by giving a public speaking event,
then I feel like I'm doing something great. So I
(24:47):
plan on doing that and just building my personal brand.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Did you take any action? Were there any suspicious bets
where you thought somebody might be fixing a game?
Speaker 7 (24:59):
You know, just UFC, There was a particular fight that
I saw a lot of people coming in vetting on
and there was a fight that was rigged and they
got caught and they obviously got.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Barred from the UFC tennis matches.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I saw quite a bit lower level, you know, like
the two three hundred top three hundred players in the
in the nation, not these high level ones that I'm
aware of, you know, top twenty, top one hundred. So
those are the usually the guys who are really not
making a ton of money, that are, you know, trying
to find other edges to make an earning on the side,
sadly the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
If I ask you to fix a sporting event, which
one are you fixing?
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Tennis is the easiest by far, not not even close.
I mean, because you can make it so unobvious by
you know, just playing a particular set or a game
for example, you know tennis works you got to win,
and men's usually three out of five. I mean, you
could just throw set one, come back and win the
next you know three. And if you throw set one
(25:59):
and you're a favorite actually than the underdog is the
value is very big on that sounds like that's happened
many times. I mean, if you think about it in tennis,
rat to tennis, wise you still win. So the guy
who threw set one has still win the match and
still get paid and still keep his status, and nobody
really gets harmed in that sense.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
In his mind.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Of course, there's somebody getting harmed who's gambling on the
sport and has basically betting a bet that they're going
to lose, and they don't even know it. And the
integrity of the sport more importantly is the problem. And
that's that's what I hate to see more than anything.
I knew in twenty eighteen when gambling became legal this
was going to happen. And I've been saying it even
before I went to prison. That is only going to
get worse. And really, what you're going to see. The
(26:42):
sad part is these young kids. You know, I have
five children, and three of them are young adults who
have their boyfriends or kids come over.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And I hear it all day long. They're all gambling
and they're young.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, and well I agree that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Sweet spot of eighteen to twenty four men saying I've
been down that road, and thank God I wise enough
to quit gambling because I see where we're headed with this.
Are you worried about your safety at all through all
of this?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
I mean, don't get me wrong, anything can happen, especially
this crazy world we're living it.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
But you know, I've been.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I made my peace with everybody. I've done everything I
can to make it right. And you know, I'm not
an angel. I've done some things in my life I'm
not so proud of, but I've done more than I
am proud of. So I don't I don't really have
any any means per se that are looking for me.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So no, thanks for joining us, Matt. Good luck with
the journey.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Thanks for having me, Dan, I really appreciate you spend
an honor.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's Matt Boyer. We did the interview yesterday after the show. Look,
I don't want to glamorize anything with this person. I
know he's got an agenda. I know that he's got
to make money. You know, the government ten million dollars
from what I'm told, probably wants to look at doing
a deal on this. So there's a lot involved, you know,
(28:05):
the tennis aspect of fixing a tennis match, and we've
had examples of this, it's happened recently. The number of
players athletes who do bet through bookies. Now, there was
no DraftKings or FanDuel. When I was growing up, I
bet through a bookie. If I was growing up now,
(28:28):
i'd be all over that app. I wouldn't be going
through a bookie. But a lot of people don't want
people to know what they're doing. They don't want you
to be able to follow their activity that they want
to be able to do something clean. It's with somebody.
You don't know how much I'm making or how much
I lost, so there's less of a paper trail. I
understand that it's going to continue. That's why I wanted
(28:50):
to know how many bookies. I was told there's probably
ten real bookies left in America. Like prominent bookies, now
you have guys who will take some action. But as
far as true bookies, a source told me probably ten
major players in America.
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Speaker 2 (29:22):
Full disclosure. I did have some trepidation about having the
bookmaker for Shoho Tani's interpreter on because and I've talked
about this, and I speak from firsthand experience. If I
was eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two and I
had a chance to bet whenever I wanted to bet
(29:44):
and I could do that on an app. And yes,
I know I DraftKings is a sponsor. But if you
do it, and you do it, and you do it wisely,
you can have fun. It can be entertainment for you.
But the problem I see is knowing firsthand and I
he was actually good at it. I walked away with
a profit, but I needed a devastating loss to walk away,
(30:07):
and that's what happened. I lost thirty three hundred dollars
on a Bowl game and my bookie actually talked me
out of the winning side. And I'm thankful that he did,
because if I won that, I might be still betting.
And I just know you you don't own that money.
(30:28):
You rent that money. So having him on, I wanted
to kind of understand, you know, what is that like
when you know somebody is that damaged gambling wise and
they're losing forty dollars as a bookie, is there any
part of you that says, man, I can't take your
bets anymore? And you know, he said, yeah, a little bit,
(30:53):
but look he's running a business and probably think of
that gravy train as going to continue. I'm still amazed though,
that nobody flagged this, like the bank and maybe show
heyu Tani had no idea what was going on. And
even you know, the bookie Matt Boyer said, so he
doesn't believe that show Hey was involved in this, But
(31:17):
doesn't your bank look at things like this with draws?
Do you have a business manager like you can't just
have a couple of million dollars gone and then a
couple of million dollars and then a couple of million dollars.
That to me is the most amazing part of all
of this, that nobody flagged this and he got away
(31:38):
with this. But you know, once I mentioned that I
was going to have him on, I heard from three
people two that I know, and you know, trusted sources
on a lot of things. But you start to get
into the different layers of gambling, the leagues and their
(32:01):
involvement and how deep it goes and who they're you know,
in business with, and ma'am, I this is what keeps
commissioners up at night. I asked Adam Silver, what keeps
you up at night? And he said, gambling, because that's
your Your league is based on that that we understand
(32:23):
that everything is on the up and up. How many
times on a Monday, we take phone calls people saying
the referees were out to get us, like the fix
was in. And I don't believe that's the case. But
I understand why people would say that your entire your
entire infrastructure is built upon your integrity and your integrity
(32:45):
of making sure the product you put on the field
is correct. But there's so many different loopholes. There's so
many weak spots here. And it's never the guy who's
making or at least not always the guy making all
the money. It's some who wants to make all the money,
somebody who wants to have a shortcut here, and that's
what happens. But that's a lot of money, and he's
(33:09):
raken in five hundred thousand dollars a month. I think
maybe it was a week. Yeah time.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
How many times have we seen a bad beat?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
At least even once?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Or why were you?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Like is that a bad beat? Or is that some
kind of contrived bad beat?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Like how could that have possibly happened? Where I lost
my bet in the last second. Yeah, but it's not
always about you. You can have a good win. Like
we always look at the bad beat. We don't look
at the guy who won you know, by the way,
gambling podcast coming up at after the show. And I
did this because I do talk about gambling and Dylan
(33:43):
gambles and Big Day, Ray and Shay and Irving. I
am a voyeur, like I watched this. Now. If I
thought that Dylan or Ray, who were employees of mine,
had a gambling problem, then I would say so, I
would say something to them. I would I would encourage
them to get help, even if it meant leaving the show.
(34:04):
I feel that strongly about it. But we're doing it
kind of tongue in cheek when we gamble on here
or they gamble because I do not, but I'm aware
of it. I go. I take it seriously when I
bring this topic up because I want you, as a parent,
(34:24):
or even if you're in that age group that you
have a credit card, you're away at school, your kids
are away at school, or they have a credit card,
keep an eye because it will. You know, rend and
Swordsby had everything, all this talent and I owe money
that wasn't good enough. And it is a disease. It
(34:47):
is It's like alcoholism. It is a disease, and you
want that action. Some of the biggest names in all
the sports, Pete Rose, Michael Jordan. They needed the juice.
HM now Michael May still Charles, he loves the juice.
(35:08):
Pete Rose, they need it. So just I know, I
get on my soapbox with it. But it you know,
if you tune out, you tune out. I just want
to make sure that you understand. It can happen to you.
It can happen to your son, daughter, it can it
can happen right under your nose. That's the amazing part
(35:31):
of it.
You are listening to the Danpatrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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on Plus and pro plans whole question, play the day,
stat of the day, all of that forthcoming. Tarek Scuble
made his debut as a Dodger at Wrigley. Wasn't a
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(01:28):
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more frequently than you've come to expect. There you've got
a couple of teams front offices who are pushing back
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(01:51):
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scouable for two months, he's still going to pitch well
for you. You're gonna have to go through the Dodgers
if you're the Brewers or the Braves. So why not
(02:12):
add and then subtract from the Dodgers all right, poll question,
what are we gonna go with first hour dealing?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Should the Dodgers be worried after Trek Scuble gives up
two earned runs and six innings in his debut? Obviously not?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Or yes? Send him back to Detroit. Oh wow, well,
by the way, give me the pizza mint Wednesday menu.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
We have dan a Cajun gumbo pizza.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh yeah, our sous chef, Billy Tips, was in New Orleans,
so he was feeling all inspired and I was like,
that sounds great, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh so he brought a recipe back hopefully that's all
he brought back from New Orleans down there for a
bachelor party. What else do you have?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Hot honey, pepperoni and bacon pizza? And then Todd's favorite,
a classic cheese pizza.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is that just gonna be a staple that's on the
Wednesday menu?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'm here on out. Okay, who is it better than
we do?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That didn't sound good at all? Okay, no body, wait,
are you bombed down? The first two sons? Amazing?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
When you go to the one yard line to.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Kick a field goal?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yes, Paul, I do got a question for you. I
saw some headlines this morning about Schoobl's game last night
versus the Cubs, like you said, six innings and gave
up a couple of runs but only a four hitter.
I saw stellar outing by schoobl in his debut, and
then I saw another headline Schoobol struggles in his debut.
It can't be both. We need like a middle of
(03:47):
the ground phrase for what he did last night because
he had a nice game.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But yeah, well, headline riders at different places are asked
to do different things. You want to play nice. You
want to have something that get your attention. You know,
whenever you hear somebody, when somebody says something funny, you know,
somebody they oh, it's brilliant, hilarious, you know. So they
have these words that they use in the headlines, and
(04:13):
not always hilarious. Sometimes it's just chuckle funny. Eight seven
seven three DP show. We'll settle on a poll question,
get to your phone calls. We'll hear from Josh Allen
a little bit later on Ben Roethlisberger as well, and
he took the bets from Shohu Tani's interpreter we'll talk
to the bookmaker gambler, Matt Boyer. He will join us
(04:37):
coming up in the final hour of the program. Hall
of Fame Game tomorrow, And in case you're inclined, it's
a one and a half point spread. The Panthers favored
by one and a half over the Cardinals. Are the
Cardinals favored in any game? They're not even favored in
the Hall of Fame game. I don't think the Cardinals
(04:58):
are favored in any game. Are the Race Raiders might
be favored in a one game? Can we find out
the fewest as far as games for teams to be
favored in? I'm sure there's a list with that. Yeah,
po I do have.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Some Week one lines and the Cardinals are at the
Chargers and the Cardinals are getting eleven and a half
in Week one.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I want to find out if they're a favorite.
I know they're going to be an underdog, but Dylan,
if you can find that out, maybe, uh DraftKings has that.
But the least number of games that team is a
favorite Dolphins, Dolphins, probably not too many games there. Browns
would probably have a couple of them as well. Yes,
to see saying the whole.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Fame Game will probably not be an NFC title game preview.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's what it sounds like. You're saying, thank you, Tod.
I was looking at the cost. The college football Coaches
Poll came out. How much does it cost to be
in the top ten? If you spend forty eight million dollars,
you would be ranked in the coaches poll. That's Texas, Miami,
Florida forty four million. They're seventh in the coaches poll.
(06:08):
Ohio State is third in the Coaches poll. Their payroll
is just under forty four million. LSU is fourth on
the list at forty two point eight. They're thirteenth in
the Coaches poll. Oregon they're fifth on the spending list
at just under forty three million. Their second in the
coaches poll. Fifth in the Coaches poll is Notre Dame.
(06:30):
They spend over forty million dollars on their roster. A
and M eighth in the Coaches Poll. They're spending almost
thirty nine million. Alabama is eleventh in the Coaches Poll.
They're only spending thirty seven point two million dollars. This
is the first time Alabama has been ranked outside the
top ten in a preseason Coaches poll since two thousand
(06:52):
and eight, Tennessee is ninth in spending at thirty six
point seven they're eighteenth in the coaches poll. Texas Tech
still spending, they're tenth at thirty six point three million,
(07:13):
twelfth in the Coach's Poll. It's going to continue to
go up. But you have to look at return on
investment here. How much do you spend, How much are
you're getting back. If it's true that Notre Dame made
over one hundred million dollars last year, then yes, it's
worth it to spend that kind of money. Make sure
you keep your coach. But not everybody's Notre Dame. Not
(07:35):
everybody's independent, not everybody's got their own TV deal. But
Texas spending almost forty eight million dollars and they rank
fourth in the country with the coaches Poll. I don't
put any validity to the Coach's poll because a little
secret here. The people who watch the least amount of
(07:56):
college football in America are head coaches of college football
teams because they don't care about BYU playing Oregon State.
They only care about their team and their next opponent.
That's it. So normally you'd have the sports information director
at a school he would be doing or she would
(08:17):
be doing the honors of voting in the coaches Poll,
because these coaches aren't watching college football, at least they
shouldn't be. We watch more college football because we watch
more of a wide variety of games and have a
better indication sometimes of how good a team is or isn't.
The only time a coach will come across somebody and
(08:38):
have an opinion is when they're playing them or they
just played them. But the Coaches Poll is out. I
was right about the Heisman Trophy odds. According to DraftKings C. J.
Cart Notre Dame is your favorite, slight favorite, then it's
Arch Manning, Dante Moore, Julian Sayin, Darien Mensa, Trinidad Shambliss,
(08:59):
Josh Who, and Jeremiah Smith, the wide receiver at Ohio State.
All right, let's see anything else needs to be mentioned here.
I mentioned that we have Josh Allen. He talks about
some of the tough losses that he's had in the playoffs,
and then Ben Roethlisberger is critical of Mike McCarthy because
Mike McCarthy wants Aaron Rodgers to play in the preseason,
(09:22):
and Ben said, no, why don't you use this opportunity
to give some of the younger kids Howard and Owler
a chance to play in Yes, it's preseason instead of
Aaron Rodgers knows Mike McCarthy's offense. Aaron Rodgers was there
last year. He spent some time with the wide receivers.
So let the younger kids play. So we'll hear from
(09:43):
Ben Roethlisberger coming up.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, Paul, you're Arizona Cardinals. Dan, you asked if they're
underdogs in every game. It's confirmed they are underdogs in
every game. As of now this season they are td
or more underdogs in their first eleven games.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well, how about a round of play Cardinal?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah? Yeah, arch Manning Cardinals around the clock and with
the number one pick they take. What Marvin, you don't
think arch Manning will go to Arizona? Uh, he's about
to pull a Eli.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
You think you think arch You think Archie paying and
Eli gonna let their boy go Arizona.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Jeremiah Love, Marvin Harrison, Trey McBride, got some weapons, get
to play half your games indoors, get to live in Arizona.
But you got to play for the Cardinals and you
have to play in the NFC West. Other than that, Yeah, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
This really is sort of a heavyweight bout we got
for the Hall of Fame game because the Panthers haven't
won a game regular postseason that they've been favored in
since September of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Mmmm. That sounded like stat of the day there, well, stell.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Of the day, stanlea day a day, Stana to day.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
This is the stule of the day.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Cheap span, Melissa Ethridge. There, Carson Beck versus Kenny Pickett,
Hall of Fame game, let's go, let's go, Yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
If this or our college football game three years ago,
it'd be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, I'd be interested in that. Kenny Pickett. Carson Beck.
Feels like Carson Beck is gonna get an opportunity to
start some games this year, or at least he should
get some opportunities to start some games there because Jacoby
Brissett just a placeholder. He's been that band aid quarter
Has he been a band aid quarterback pretty much his
(11:47):
entire career? Or at what point did he become that
he's the quarterback before you get to your next quarterback?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, Paul, Jacoby Brissett is on his sixth team. He's
only started. He started fifteen games for Indianapolis in twenty nineteen.
He started eleven games for Cleveland in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Okay, yeah, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
The Fanthers have sort of turned into like the halfway
house for quarterbacks, you know, Baker, Sam Darnold. That's sort
of where you go and then rehabilitate your career and
then you move on somewhere else and then you actually
flourish a little bit. So can you Pickett X stop?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Could be?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Could be good?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So you're saying there's a chance, yes, Paul.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's like being the offensive coordinator and Nick Saban. You
rehab your career. Zay Flowers got paid. We'll talk about that.
Thirty five million for Zay Flowers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Now. He had eighty six catches over twelve hundred yards
and six touchdowns last year. I know you want to
continue to have weapons for Lamar Jackson. You have Derrick Henry,
but you know you've had good tight ends, but they
don't There's not a long list of great Ravens wide
receivers when you think about it. Hollywood Brown was in there,
(13:04):
and Kwon Bolden was a Kwon Bolden a Pro Bowl player.
He was a really good player. But I'm trying to
think of like Rashad Bateman, I thought was going to
be a star and we're still waiting for that. Jay
Flowers came out of BC and uh, I think he's
surprised a lot of people. But that's a lot of
(13:24):
money for Zay Flowers.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, Paul, we're double checking this, but I have Zay
Flowers as the only wide receiver in Raven's history to
make the Pro Bowl. It's not that not that hard
these days checking.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh oh, well you maybe that's why they're going to
spend thirty five million on him. But it's all about
timing at these positions that when you're up, what can
you capitalize on? In Jay Flowers, it's his turn, his time, Yeah, Dylan, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Think Derek Mason was a Pro bowler, but not with
the Ravens. But I also think, like zayfire has won
back to back Pro Bowls, but doesn't it feel like
a Pro Bowl that he won in two thousand and
five carries a little more weight than twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Derek Mason was all Pro with the Titans, though,
I think right, yeah, yeah, not the Ravens, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
And Kwan Bolden with a four time Pro Bowler before
he went to Baltimore and then ceased going to the
Pro Bowl for three years.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well it was he with the Cardinals. Yeah, the Jets.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I got to see with six years, seven years with
the Cardinals and three Pro Bowls there, three nice years
of Baltimore, then a San Francisco and Detroit.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Okay, maybe it was a game against the Jets where
he got hit. It was one of the most violent
plays and I'm like, I it's not a question does
he get up, does he live? But I think it
was in the end zone. I thought it was against
the Jets, and I remember and Kwan Bolden took a hit. Yeah, Paul, Yeah,
you're right.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
That was September of eight and Kwon Bolden got knocked
out in the end zone. Safety Eric Smith of the
Cardinals all Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, wait, and Kwon Bolden.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Who's with Jet Safety Eric Smith and An Kun was
at the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Correct, Yeah, that's what I thought. All Right, We'll get
the phone calls coming up here from Ben Roethlisberger, Josh
Allen as well, and a little later on the former
bookie for show, Heyo Tani's interpreter. He will join us
trying to explain exactly what happened and does he think
to this day show, Hey Tani was somehow involved. Well,
(15:31):
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He is the two time Amazon best selling author speak speaker.
He was the bookmaker at the center of the show
Heyo Tani Epei Misuhara sports betting scandal. Matt Boyer was
sentenced to one year in a day, pleading guilty for
money laundering, falsified tax returns, illegal bookmaking. I talked to
(16:37):
him after yesterday's show, and I started out by asking him,
when is the first time you took a bet from show?
Heyo Tani's interpreter.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
I believe it's twenty twenty one, at the end of
the the end of the season of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
How were you introduced?
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I actually met him at a poker game after I
was introduced them by going to a private booker game
with some of the Angels players and coaches and friends
at a local hilton in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
When did you realize that he worked for show Hair?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
I mean I knew right away, of course, I mean
who didn't right He was such a popular character, probably
the most popular interpreter in the world thanks to show.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Hey of course.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
At what's your role as a bookie of keeping somebody betting?
But also is there a sympathetic side to being a
bookie when you realize somebody is in a lot of trouble?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, that's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
As a legal book maker, you're giving out credit, and
it's a tough way of trying to make a living
but also not being greedy and egotistical and then trying
to maintain giving someone in a relationship to where you're
not hurting their family or their.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Situation with their bills or it's a very fine line.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
The more you get to know the person and more
you stand them and what they do for a living,
then the more you can help them. If they are
having a gambling problem, which you know, I personally had
one as well, so I understand.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That dynamic better than anyone.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
But you're right, it's a it's a hard line to
figure out, and sometimes they're oftentimes they're lying to you
because they're gambling with you and they want to give
you them an impression that it's not affecting them, you know,
at home or financially, because they want to continue to
bet with you or get credit or ask you for
more credit.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
So those are the situations that come up. They're hard
to I'm going to.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
Say, run and figure out, because when you are dealing
with these people, you know, at least in my case,
you have a heart. I mean, the last thing you
want to see is if someone just losing more money
than they can afford.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, but at what point are you allowed or do
you ask that's a lot of money you're betting to show,
Hey know, you're betting this.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Truth be told. When EPA came to me, it was
a tiny account. It was one thousand and eight thousand
dollars credit line, so I, you know, initially I thought
it was no deal, and then that escalated very rapidly
to the point of about thirty days later we were
at a half a million to a million dollar credit line.
And then I knew at that point it had to
be either show Hay or him together, or maybe he,
(19:14):
you know, had some funds.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I didn't know about him.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
You really don't know everyone's personal, private lifestyle. Maybe he
was a large investor in something. But then when I
started getting into the point of millions and millions, then
I knew that either show Hay was involved or they
were partners. I wasn't really sure, and I didn't ask
a lot of questions because animinity in my business when
I was running a book making operation was key. I
(19:37):
had a lot of clients in celebrities and athletes CEOs
that were very private, and that's why they liked working
with me because of that privacy. But at the same time,
I was being paid, you know, five hundred thousand dollars
every two weeks, so the greedy sided me of running
a business and making a lot of money. Was just like,
you know, everything's running smoothly. He's not even making any
(19:57):
signs of you know, panicking or even really was laughing
and making fun of himself quite often. If you look
at the text messages that the government throughout, which is
there was quite a few of them, you could see
us joking back and forth about both of us being
degenerates and losing money through bookmakers, slash casinos, etc.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So you didn't know that sho heey Otani knew, not
for a fact, right, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
I mean I didn't have a relationship with show Hey
at that time. He spoke very little English. And I've
been around the team and some players. I used to
play golf with some of the players and gamble with them,
and quite a few of the Angels players were betting
through my organization, but my relationship was with DPE. I
never spoke about anything outside of that to even the players,
(20:48):
even like, for example, some of the players were betting
with me, I wouldn't discuss their business with the other players.
That being said, I don't think a lot of these
guys knew I'm saying. I'm talking about the angels players
knew the extent of what was going on because the
EPA was very private, didn't have a lot to say,
you know, very very wanted things to be low key.
(21:08):
I realized now why at the time I thought, personally,
I thought show he was betting with him because the
amount of bets that they were making and clearly the
amount of money that was being wired. I just figured
he had to have known, especially with that long period
of time. You're seeing five hundred thousand OAR wires come
out about to count every two weeks for basically a
year and a half. I just, even to this day,
I still don't understand how show Hey didn't wasn't aware.
(21:32):
I do believe wholeheartedly that he never gambled. I don't
think he was placing any of the bets or involved
in that.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Part at all.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He's Matt Boyer, two time Amazon best selling author and
at the center of the show Hey Utani. If a
Musicalhara sports betting scandal, how many athletes give us a
sense are betting this way that you dealt with that
we're betting through a booking, I asked.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Iimate at least fifty sixty percent.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
It's probably even higher because the reality is everyone's using
third party people and beards and people to bet through.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You know, let's be real competitive.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Athletes are very competitive in everything they do, and sports is.
If you're a sports fan, as you and I both are,
we watch all sports, and whether you gamble or not,
you generally like to have some sort of play in
the game, whether it's fantasy betting, a friend, you know,
you go, I don't know about you.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Do you even golf? Dan?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I golf. I'm a guy who gambled a long, long,
long time ago and cold turkey. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
You so you don't gamble in the golf course? Five bucks,
seven bucks?
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Nothing? Okay, that's rare, right, I mean, if you go
to a golf course, you'll see that most people that golf,
whether they gamble a lot or little, it's usually a.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Dollar, five dollars, twenty dollars whatever.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Most people gamble almost everything they do when it comes
to that, I think athletes are even higher because the
fact they're so competitive and they like to win it
all cost But.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
There's current athletes, Matt, These are current athletes who are
still betting.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Definitely, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How many bookies are there left? In America millions.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I mean they're everywhere literally throughout the country. There's at
least a million bookmakers. Now some of them might don't
have ten or twenty clients, you know, very small. There's
a lot of small operations that are just local bookmakers
at golf courses or whatnot.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
But there's millions.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah. I just didn't know if it was a shrinking
because you have all these other gambling sites where you
can go and do it above board. But a lot
of guys love that, you know, they're not paying taxes
that you know you can do it in a clandestine way.
So what's next for you?
Speaker 7 (23:42):
You know, I'm excited about this journey. I'm rebuilding, as
you know you just said. I have two books that
I produced, one of them I just did right when
I got out of prison. And public speaking and giving
back to people that you know, maybe hopefully NFL teams,
NBA teams, College Apple aletes. I'd like to go to
these schools and you know, universities and give a public
(24:05):
speaking event to where I can help these kids avoid
going down the wrong path. I have the best experience
because I've been on both sides, not always a gambler,
but as a bookmaker and dealing with athletes, and I
understand that it's easy to follow into that trap of
you know, not only betting yourself, but maybe trying to
sway a game, you know, fixing a game to make
a few extra dollars, especially these college athletes. And now
(24:27):
you're singing in with all these pros that are you know,
Terry Rosier and Chauncey Billups and guys that you would
never anticipate getting into trouble because they're wealthy and you
know they're NBA athletes. But it's sad that it's happening.
If I could persuade a kid from doing that, or
a professional athlete, then by giving a public speaking event,
then I feel like I'm doing something great. So I
(24:47):
plan on doing that and just building my personal brand.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Did you take any action? Were there any suspicious bets
where you thought somebody might be fixing a game?
Speaker 7 (24:59):
You know, just UFC, There was a particular fight that
I saw a lot of people coming in vetting on
and there was a fight that was rigged and they
got caught and they obviously got.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Barred from the UFC tennis matches.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I saw quite a bit lower level, you know, like
the two three hundred top three hundred players in the
in the nation, not these high level ones that I'm
aware of, you know, top twenty, top one hundred. So
those are the usually the guys who are really not
making a ton of money, that are, you know, trying
to find other edges to make an earning on the side,
sadly the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
If I ask you to fix a sporting event, which
one are you fixing?
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Tennis is the easiest by far, not not even close.
I mean, because you can make it so unobvious by
you know, just playing a particular set or a game
for example, you know tennis works you got to win,
and men's usually three out of five. I mean, you
could just throw set one, come back and win the
next you know three. And if you throw set one
(25:59):
and you're a favorite actually than the underdog is the
value is very big on that sounds like that's happened
many times. I mean, if you think about it in tennis,
rat to tennis, wise you still win. So the guy
who threw set one has still win the match and
still get paid and still keep his status, and nobody
really gets harmed in that sense.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
In his mind.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Of course, there's somebody getting harmed who's gambling on the
sport and has basically betting a bet that they're going
to lose, and they don't even know it. And the
integrity of the sport more importantly is the problem. And
that's that's what I hate to see more than anything.
I knew in twenty eighteen when gambling became legal this
was going to happen. And I've been saying it even
before I went to prison. That is only going to
get worse. And really, what you're going to see. The
(26:42):
sad part is these young kids. You know, I have
five children, and three of them are young adults who
have their boyfriends or kids come over.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And I hear it all day long. They're all gambling
and they're young.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, and well I agree that.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Sweet spot of eighteen to twenty four men saying I've
been down that road, and thank God I wise enough
to quit gambling because I see where we're headed with this.
Are you worried about your safety at all through all
of this?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
I mean, don't get me wrong, anything can happen, especially
this crazy world we're living it.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
But you know, I've been.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
I made my peace with everybody. I've done everything I
can to make it right. And you know, I'm not
an angel. I've done some things in my life I'm
not so proud of, but I've done more than I
am proud of. So I don't I don't really have
any any means per se that are looking for me.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So no, thanks for joining us, Matt. Good luck with
the journey.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Thanks for having me, Dan, I really appreciate you spend
an honor.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's Matt Boyer. We did the interview yesterday after the show. Look,
I don't want to glamorize anything with this person. I
know he's got an agenda. I know that he's got
to make money. You know, the government ten million dollars
from what I'm told, probably wants to look at doing
a deal on this. So there's a lot involved, you know,
(28:05):
the tennis aspect of fixing a tennis match, and we've
had examples of this, it's happened recently. The number of
players athletes who do bet through bookies. Now, there was
no DraftKings or FanDuel. When I was growing up, I
bet through a bookie. If I was growing up now,
(28:28):
i'd be all over that app. I wouldn't be going
through a bookie. But a lot of people don't want
people to know what they're doing. They don't want you
to be able to follow their activity that they want
to be able to do something clean. It's with somebody.
You don't know how much I'm making or how much
I lost, so there's less of a paper trail. I
understand that it's going to continue. That's why I wanted
(28:50):
to know how many bookies. I was told there's probably
ten real bookies left in America. Like prominent bookies, now
you have guys who will take some action. But as
far as true bookies, a source told me probably ten
major players in America.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
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Speaker 2 (29:22):
Full disclosure. I did have some trepidation about having the
bookmaker for Shoho Tani's interpreter on because and I've talked
about this, and I speak from firsthand experience. If I
was eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two and I
had a chance to bet whenever I wanted to bet
(29:44):
and I could do that on an app. And yes,
I know I DraftKings is a sponsor. But if you
do it, and you do it, and you do it wisely,
you can have fun. It can be entertainment for you.
But the problem I see is knowing firsthand and I
he was actually good at it. I walked away with
a profit, but I needed a devastating loss to walk away,
(30:07):
and that's what happened. I lost thirty three hundred dollars
on a Bowl game and my bookie actually talked me
out of the winning side. And I'm thankful that he did,
because if I won that, I might be still betting.
And I just know you you don't own that money.
(30:28):
You rent that money. So having him on, I wanted
to kind of understand, you know, what is that like
when you know somebody is that damaged gambling wise and
they're losing forty dollars as a bookie, is there any
part of you that says, man, I can't take your
bets anymore? And you know, he said, yeah, a little bit,
(30:53):
but look he's running a business and probably think of
that gravy train as going to continue. I'm still amazed though,
that nobody flagged this, like the bank and maybe show
heyu Tani had no idea what was going on. And
even you know, the bookie Matt Boyer said, so he
doesn't believe that show Hey was involved in this, But
(31:17):
doesn't your bank look at things like this with draws?
Do you have a business manager like you can't just
have a couple of million dollars gone and then a
couple of million dollars and then a couple of million dollars.
That to me is the most amazing part of all
of this, that nobody flagged this and he got away
(31:38):
with this. But you know, once I mentioned that I
was going to have him on, I heard from three
people two that I know, and you know, trusted sources
on a lot of things. But you start to get
into the different layers of gambling, the leagues and their
(32:01):
involvement and how deep it goes and who they're you know,
in business with, and ma'am, I this is what keeps
commissioners up at night. I asked Adam Silver, what keeps
you up at night? And he said, gambling, because that's
your Your league is based on that that we understand
(32:23):
that everything is on the up and up. How many
times on a Monday, we take phone calls people saying
the referees were out to get us, like the fix
was in. And I don't believe that's the case. But
I understand why people would say that your entire your
entire infrastructure is built upon your integrity and your integrity
(32:45):
of making sure the product you put on the field
is correct. But there's so many different loopholes. There's so
many weak spots here. And it's never the guy who's
making or at least not always the guy making all
the money. It's some who wants to make all the money,
somebody who wants to have a shortcut here, and that's
what happens. But that's a lot of money, and he's
(33:09):
raken in five hundred thousand dollars a month. I think
maybe it was a week. Yeah time.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
How many times have we seen a bad beat?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
At least even once?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Or why were you?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Like is that a bad beat? Or is that some
kind of contrived bad beat?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Like how could that have possibly happened? Where I lost
my bet in the last second. Yeah, but it's not
always about you. You can have a good win. Like
we always look at the bad beat. We don't look
at the guy who won you know, by the way,
gambling podcast coming up at after the show. And I
did this because I do talk about gambling and Dylan
(33:43):
gambles and Big Day, Ray and Shay and Irving. I
am a voyeur, like I watched this. Now. If I
thought that Dylan or Ray, who were employees of mine,
had a gambling problem, then I would say so, I
would say something to them. I would I would encourage
them to get help, even if it meant leaving the show.
(34:04):
I feel that strongly about it. But we're doing it
kind of tongue in cheek when we gamble on here
or they gamble because I do not, but I'm aware
of it. I go. I take it seriously when I
bring this topic up because I want you, as a parent,
(34:24):
or even if you're in that age group that you
have a credit card, you're away at school, your kids
are away at school, or they have a credit card,
keep an eye because it will. You know, rend and
Swordsby had everything, all this talent and I owe money
that wasn't good enough. And it is a disease. It
(34:47):
is It's like alcoholism. It is a disease, and you
want that action. Some of the biggest names in all
the sports, Pete Rose, Michael Jordan. They needed the juice.
HM now Michael May still Charles, he loves the juice.
(35:08):
Pete Rose, they need it. So just I know, I
get on my soapbox with it. But it you know,
if you tune out, you tune out. I just want
to make sure that you understand. It can happen to you.
It can happen to your son, daughter, it can it
can happen right under your nose. That's the amazing part
(35:31):
of it.
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